And people were mad at me for saying the Sparking series will NEVER be considered a competitive fighter. They should just accept it. I'm not even angry at it.
@dhayris160 definitely wasn't, and that was supposed to be the point. Flying, instant transmission, transformations, effing senzu beans 😂😂😂, etc. How are you supposed balance such madness
@@dhayris160 I'll say that things like not being able to perform rush attacks on downed opponents were for the best back then. But those games still weren't balanced.
When they said the game was intentionally unbalanced, that was interpreted as "UI Goku mogs half the roster by default." Which was expected, but is honestly still kind of fair considering his cost. I think they actually did a good job balancing characters around their DP cost. What they absolutely botched was the system mechanics. Nobody wanted infinite stalling, sparking mode spam, afterimage strike nonsense or the fight turning into a rhythm game every time somebody attempts a combo. I still like Sparking Zero, but it's something I'm exclusively playing for the single player or with my bros. Netplay for this game is cancer.
That's what i was thinking because I didn't even touch the online cause the rage quiting it keep hearing about and how crazy it is that some people just stop playing it
The 2 dp earthlings NEED to be weaker. They should never be on par with even the weakest Z fighter or enemy. Yaji, Videl and Hercule should only have 1 health bar and shouldn’t be able to stall. They slow the game down and make it boring to watch
This is what happens when all the online bots keep saying "We want zero balance!" and the devs actually release a game with zero balance. Bandai and Jun Furutani should REALLY pick who they choose to listen to carefully 💀
I think the issue is that the only way this game could have been fun long term is if they made it just a bit more competitive. A lot of people were acting like leaving the game a broken mess was some sort of noble thing, which is odd. Also, it's pretty clear that they never had any intention of taking the game in the direction it needs to go, but it's still disappointing.
This is why I hate modern gaming. The series was never meant to be hyper competitive but we live in an era where you can't just enjoy something that puts player vs player against each other without people trying to make it the next global tournament game. This is why everyone bought it but most people dropped it after facing sweats in ranked grinding 24/7. I played a ton of Tenkaichi 2 and 3 with my friends back in the day but we all know the game was just for fun. "High level play" kills the fun in games like this.
"High level play" feels bad because the game's mechanics are awful. 99% of people's complaints with the game have virtually nothing do with "sweats" and everything to do with how people online are able to abuse bad game design to cheese out a win. That and the customization and story mode are quite subpar.
Bt2 and 3 are made way better for competitive though and because of that those games will live longer unless they fix the mess that is this game. I wanna play this game long term but it’s hard for me to want to when the game is an unbalanced mess And I don’t mean characters. The actual mechanics of the game feel bad if you plan on playing the game outside of just for fun with friends. It’s still hype, but you get caught side stepping on opponents. Movement feels horrible as there is some sort of invisible wall in the way of maneuvering over or below people. Not a thing in old bt games
Nothing here is "high level" these players aren't sweating. In fact they are showing that this game doesn't need to high level skills to play and win. Actually balancing the game would make it better for all skill levels
The Competitive BT3 and BT2 community make the enjoyment of those games even higher with their discoveries of advanced mechanics like the "enigma dash" or "flanking" while Sparking zero has nothing to please both casual and hardcore audiences. The game has poorly balanced mechanics that allow characters like 19 and 20 to get away with a camping playstyle. The players showed that, and now it's up to the december patch to fix the game. What the game is meant to be is irrelevant when most people don't want to play it anymore, so whatever the game is trying to accomplish, it failed at it. Btw, as @DarkEntityTheory said, this is an official tournament. Everyone says the game is meant to be "unbalanced", but when the developpers said it, they always meant character stats, not mechanics, otherwise that would mean that 19 and 20 were meant to be top tier, it's obviously not what was intended.
Ppl don’t play games for fun anymore. The moment they put in ranked mode I already knew players were gonna use broken mechanics and exploits. That being said there still are things Bandai need to fix but it’s a different era than when bt3 came out
This game has unintentionally done a lot to forward the conversation of game balance and "competitive viability." When the game dropped everybody was happy to have a game that was "Dumb fun" without really being serious about what that does to a game's lifespan. It's hard to stay interested in something that is has zero consideration for the long term. If the skill ceiling of a game isn't fun, then that's one less incentive to improve. I'm happy to own the game, especially since it gave me a reason not to take ranked mode super serious (an attitude which I intend to cultivate in my other games), but I'm more interested in learning Tekken/Virtua Fighter or getting to Master rank in SF6, no point wasting grind time on SZ if it's just a party game to play with friends that don't like fighting games. I do wish things had been different for this game, it could have been THE arena fighter, but oh well. Edit: When MK1 had that Sindel/Jax looping unblockable, it was considered controversial that it was banned mid tournament. Not picking a side there, but compare and contrast with this SZ "play seriously," and you'll see why this is silly. Even in the midst of that controversy, it was generally understood that its the devs responsibility to fix it in the long term, and that the tournament ban was a short term solution. Telling players to play seriously like that's not exactly what they are doing is pretty cringe.
Thats my thoughts the game can be balanced more for sure but be made into a sweaty comptetive game is not the way I think it needs to go. Balance sime unfun things and its good to go. Tekken for me is the game where I play comptetive
Who could have forseen that the type of game that was designed to be played on a couch with friends wouldn't work when online ranked was added to it? I can't believe no one predicted this and said it verbatim before release!
I don’t mind the game being unbalanced character wise. But there’s just broken and cheesy mechanics that make it stupid lol. Spike can fix this and turn it around and I hope they do
Bro the mechanics are so badly balanced id argue its not that fun even between friends Me and my homeboy were inspired to go back to tekken I got to a rank and every fight just feels the same lol Unless you and the other guy make a deliberate attempt to make it dramatic and fun its just what was seen above, or you dont do the above and lose to the above 1:35 this is why i left sparking zero the playerbase is soooo shameless its actually palpable 9:20 items beung exploited theres no end to the nonsense wow
youtube is crazy, we went from every youtuber hyping and shilling this game to every youtuber making sparking zero is trash flopped videos, as if we have fish brain. whoever subscribes to channels like afrosenju, rhymstyle and those trashy channels where they just scream down the mic are donuts, they dont care about you.
Yup. People obsessed over it and treated it like it was the next big thing for about a month or so, then everything went suspiciously quiet out of nowhere. I had actually forgotten about it for a hot minute (I hadn't actually had enough time to play it as much as I would have liked) up until this video. Now everyone hates it seemingly overnight. Like, should I even go back to it at this point? All my friends stopped playing it, I didn't even think about it until now but they all went back to FF14 and just stopped playing this entirely.
@@joshuaknox2724 opinions are subject to change overnight. The main reason the game got so much hype was because it's been almost 20 years since a sequel to the main Sparking series was released. It's a solid game. People just didn't expect there to be an overwhelming amount of abuse when it comes to busted mechanics in online matches. And it's okay to voice your opinion on that.
I agree and I’m disappointed about it too. I know afro just hypes up any hot new game, playes a few months at best and moves on but rhyme style was actually a clown this time around. Dude was calling it “literally Tenkaichi 4” and praising everything about the game before release. Even was playing the game early. Now game comes out and he’s suddenly “too busy” to play the game and even makes a video titled “sparkling zero is unplayable”. That’s clown shit and he obviously just wanted that shill money and bandai connections.
@@Digital.midori Tbf to Rhyme since it was before the game came out he didn't know what he knows now and only saw the potential of the game Even liking the game opinions can change when you get the full experience
@@RandomBlackGameropinions changing is fine. But these same people who said this game is amazing and just like Tenkaichi 3 are full of bs. They played the game ALOT before release. And they call themselves “Tenkaichi vets”. They should have noticed things like perception being able to be spammed, and especially the date you get skill bars. They should have noticed how the vanish battles are. But no, they’d rather complain about the camera spin and “dimension change” when you do a ki blast battle.
I mean...honestly, yeah. Many people can't and you make it sound like that's a bad thing. The game wouldn't have sold if everyone wanted to play Fighterz.
i think you hit the nail on the head by saying that Bamco played themselves by hosting an official tournament for the game after going out of their way to say how the game was designed to be broken lol. I love the game quite a bit, it has some issues but i do feel like the game has a ton of out of the box value, a lot of characters and really feels like the return to that Tenkaichi formula i loved but in this age with better online and more desire for competition i think they got their wires crossed. the combat system clearly doesn't have things thought through to the point where the fun stuff is nigh impossible to execute in a real pvp match much less a high level one. Idk what to propose system mechanic wise because id want to make sure the game has its spirit and doesn't get turned into a competitive fighter that it doesn't need to be, but clearly they need to overhaul enough or have some sort of competitive mode created that changes things for these types of things if they want to keep a tournament series going. im sure its not gonna reflect well if it keeps going like this
Theres definitely counter play: don't try to play a party game competitively without strict rules. Fighter Z is right there if you want competitive dbz.
Defensivr play is oppressive, defensive moves vost little to no ki and can be spammed and offensive moves are counterable and cost a shit ton of ki even just to gapclosr
@@JDerpyDoesStuffAgree. You cannot just dictate how someone is suppose to play a game. Every fighting game nowdays needs balancing, is the competitive fighting community that keeps the game alive.
The ones that say “This game isn’t supposed to be balanced” are the ones playing Gotega, Z Broly, Android 19, Gero, Reccoome, yajirobe and all the broken cheese. Played the game for 2 weeks straight and I swear im the only person that played Garlic Jr
"hindsight is 20/20" nah, i disagree. We've plenty of actual fighters that went down this path. We've seen this story before but people don't wanna listen sadly.
Crazy how everyone hates this game now I still love it. I dont play it competitively and i never expected to be. BT3 was casual back then and sparking zero is too. There are stuff to fix but I dont think this game will be a evo game.
do you know how protests work? a protest is not always going abide by the rules in place by the system that was created. in fact, most times they end up disobeying those rules. if you’re worrying about a punishment towards them, you’re missing the point. ask why people that will win money for winning are blatantly risking their chance of making that money? why would two competitors act in way that’s so opposed to their self interests?
Arena fighters arent made to be esports competitive. Its a party game you play with your friends so you can look at cool animations after pressing a button.
And yet, some arena fighters do have a competitive scene...Naruto Ninja Storm has one, Kill La Kil: IF has one, My Hero Academia: One Hero's Justice has one...I think the only arena fighter that doesn't, as far as I know, is Jump Force. You can find competitive scenes for games that aren't even multiplayer if you look hard enough. Something...people clearly don't either want to or never tried to do
not competitive implies that some characters are more broken than others, not that the game mechanics get botchered allowing plays like this to happen.
It simply not a competitive Game, its a Bandai Namco game like always, beside Tekken and DBFZ. I remember when some folkes said that they want sparking Zero in EVO 😂😂😂😂. I always says this game is just a cash grab for Bandai, its not a real fighting game. We had the demonstration in this "tournament"
It's funny how one of the biggest complaints with the most popular modern fighters is how the mechanics heavily favor aggressiveness, yet Sparking Zero seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum. The beginning of that set with androids flying for skill points reminded me a lot of Ken and Chun whiffing normals for meter build at the beginning of a match in Third Strike, except it happened much less often in Third Strike and was done in like 10 seconds anyway lol. Hopefully the Devs can take a real look at whats wrong with this footage and not just assume poor sportsmanship or being unserious. I'd personally love for Sparking to have a longer term fanbase. Fighterz is nice and all, but playing it tends to make me just want to play a Marvel game instead. If Sparking is a blow up...oh well. But hopefully itll get better.
The Sparking series was never a real fighting game, it's a DRAGON BALL game. It's *mostly* accurate, it has power creep, and it looks flashy. The game being unbalanced is done on purpose and is very much so how all the old dragon ball games are. The second someone picked Kid Buu back then was time to lock the hell in, or the SSJ4 characters who just did massive damage. Sparking Zero is a dragon ball game, not a fighting game, and I love it for that.
Yeah, but you're okay with the system mechanics being the way they are right now? I mean, even as a "dragon ball game," this shit STILL doesn't look fun, bruv
so why have a ranked mode, and why organize tournaments? It doesn't look like you have the game, but just to let you know, this game has a ranked mode. When the game is not supposed to be competitive like you said!!! And why even have a tournament for a NON COMPETIRIVE GAME!!!! Baffles my mind
When we tried to tell you people all of this initially, you people dismissed us. Now, after taking something like this to happen for things to finally "click", you same lot have the surprised pikachu face. Better late than never I suppose.
Besides what happened in the grand finals which was hilarious, what I also think is funny is that even though I also enjoy this game, I never thought in my mind that this would be taken seriously as a competitive fighting game. It’s an arena fighter that just feels more about mashing and having fun as opposed to games like Tekken or Street Fighter, where people can also mash and have fun, but they have been established for years as being more technical and harder to master. I don’t think Sparking Zero was ever intentionally made to be balanced or in the same category as the others. Its possible for Bamco to fix things and make more attempts for people to take it more serious, but honestly it doesn’t have to be taken seriously. As long as it’s fun for people to play and it’s making money, then that’s that.
Sparking zero is a great game with serious flaws, like I think even tekken 8 is in a better state in terms of plugging plus systematically broken system mechanics, like heat is bad but the stupid flying up and down with gero and android 19 shit I deal with and the vanish wars and switching out like damn, and instant sparking and very hard to break out of unblockable ultimates like no wonder the competitive isn’t taken seriously
This is why I said what I said about how this "shouldn't be treated as a competitive game". Nevermind whether or not it's a Fighting Game, Bandai Namco just clearly didn't build it with competitive competition in mind which makes this whole tournament baffling for even existing in the first place. For the record, before anyone says it, just because I don't believe it should be competitive doesn't mean it doesn't deserve proper balance adjustments. Fun can be compromised by broken mechanics too, not saying it can't. I used to play a ton of Playstation Allstars and the bane of my existence when I ran duos with my buddy was running into a Kratos every match. In SCV, it was Natsu. So on so forth. If a game isn't competitive, then it should be fun at the very least and any elements that compromise the fun should be looked at closely. Here, these players basically just demonstrated exactly what the problems are and why this tournament never should have happened.
@godfrey4461 Yup. Honestly I don't know why every game these days want a Ranked Mode. In games like these I feel it's a lot better to have accolades where people can just rate your profile based in how you play, that way at a glance someone can tell if you're fun to fight against, annoying, or really sweaty and play top ranked characters. They should have just left Ranked out.
This game will have a bright future once the vocal side of the player base stops expecting the game to be competetive. Last i checked, Bandai proudly announced how unbalanced this game is. I've gotten into arguments online with ppl mad that their personal expectations of the game that it never promised was not met
After thinking about it a bit more calmly, Bandai is definitely talking out both sides of their mouths. "This game is gonna be absolutely busyed unfair ..... here's a ranked mode and an official tournament"
Having an unbalanced game that's not meant at the highest level of play is not the same as the game breaking down by just understanding how it works. Flying up and down is not high level a 5 year old could've done that.
That’s one thing I can give Jump Force.. the devs KNEW the game was spam central so they locked Ultimate Attacks behind a damage percentage, so in order to do any Ult in the game you had to be at around 50% health.. for SZ it’s just one skill point and that’s all it takes lol
Mike, you really wanted this mess at evo? 😂. I said to you on X a while back that this game would fall off a cliff, and you still defended it. If MK is a party game, then sparking zero is a kids make believe tea party.
I still remembered when the hype for the game was ramping up. At first I had told myself that Tekken was going to be the best fighting game of the year, but then my friend was talking about sparking and brought up some valid points. Now here we are where it's 90% of the player base abandoned the game, and I only hear worse developments 😭
Yeah, don't lesson to those idiots saying 90% of players are gone because that is just a complete lie I play this game almost every other day, and I see lobbies full of people playing
I didn't know they cut away from from the gameplay that is TOUGH I've seen people mad at them for playing like this saying that they aren't really playing the game or wanting them to play a certain way Idk why people get mad at the players for using tools the devs gave them to play the game. This is a tornment if they weren't doing this they would just be doing something else that's crazy.
The game is mechanically bad and this is what happens when you don't iron out those issues and people want to be apologists for this game talking about "it's supposed to be unbalanced" or "It shouldn't be taken seriously" or whatever buzz phrase people mindlessly spout, but also fail to realize that every game can be optimized whether you like it or not, Mario kart and mario party can be optimized, Sonic can be optimized, souls games can be optimized, Tryhards will exist everywhere, It's not about having OP characters or a Meta because that's just the nature of any fighting games, what's important is having good mechanics that incentivise fun DESPITE the competitive side of things. This is why smash bros succeeds because even though that was designed with the casual in mind, the competitive side can get a kick of the depth that the game offers since those people who are hardcore are in it for the long run. This was understood 17 years ago and people wanna act surprised like this wasn't common sense. This game didn't even release with a player quick match which just shows how undercooked and untested most of this stuff was. The game should be balanced, but balanced around Fun and the shit that you saw in that tournament is exactly what needs to be patched out. Competition isn't ruining anything, the devs making a mechanically illiterate game is the problem.
The first two were trying to do what the two Kefla players did at Fighterz finale so I don't blame that on the devs. That's two players agreeing to do something together. In an actual setting where people actually want to fight that's not gonna happen
Maybe it will sound a little elitist but, as a veteran bt1/2/3 player, the moment I see a streamer etc that smash/spam Z counter (SC), I lost the respect for them, is not suposed to work like that, ki spam as well
Idk it seems kinda childish to expect this game to be anything but more bt3. And it has been proven time and time again that arena fighters are not and will not be competitive at all.
This situation required proper rule establishment. I understand their intentions, but the execution was lacking. Moving forward, Bandai Namco must invest in making the game truly competitive. Creating a competitive arena fighter is possible with the right effort. I would like to see this game featured at EVO, but for it to be viable on the FGC's largest platform, the game requires adjustments and significant overhauls in several areas.
The player who did the ki dash cheese said he did it on purpose in order to bring attention to it on a much larger scale. Can't be ignored if you just streamed it live for the whole fanbase to see it. Which screw him for letting more people know about it DP battles are bad enough already. But also thank you for making it so they can't ignore it anymore so it can get patched out of the game.
There are PLENTY defensive mechanics, there are even PLENTY movement ideas. But there is almost nothing there offensively. Mechanically: this game deserved no more than a seven that ppl cried about.
Somehow I get the feeling people don't understand what a game being competetive means. Nobody is saying Nappa should be as strong as Gogeta. How does the game being broken make it more fun in any way? I just can't understand the aversion to fixing a game. There will be skill gaps whether the game is broken or not so how does fixing broken shit hurt your fun at all?
Yeah there is counterplay to the Gero & 19 Dragon Ascending/Descending strat but none of the options are actually viable. Hopefully this game can be saved before the holidays.
the trunks player actually tried to use the beam counter play and it DID NOT work at all not even 1 time maybe its because trunks has a cinematic beam but even then i dont think one without it woulda worked the way gero player was moving
i watched the grand final live was laughing all the way through and tyrant didn't look happy or impressed lol. i am a tekken player to. they was doing kanye west runaway in gaming form in the grand final.
Honestly Mike I already knew when I saw the tournament rules for the Online Qualifiers that it was gonna be a mess as everything that was shown me and other players already knew about. I don't really get why people are getting mad at Hillia or Shinryu either as any competitiive player will tell you they are gonna to use the best options to win whether you are qualifying for a event or playing for money in any aspect. So making Hillia have to " play seriously" when he already was and making him lose I found it mad corny and unprofessional on their end ESPECIALLY when the Android 19 & 20 ting with the Dragon Dashing was shown in the first month of the game being released but instead they only focused on nerfing Yajirobe when people were talking about that also. I was also one of those people who didn't understand why they decided to do tournaments now when the game still needs hella things fixed, Input Delay, Perception, Z Counter, Super Counter, InstaSpark, No Ki Blast cooldown etc. when they have a patch coming out in December anyways. As me and my Tenkaichi 2 & 3 players said Sparking Zero moved so many step backwards when in the older games they were balances in those games for a reason and now we got what we have with Sparking the games weren't perfect but the mechanics as a whole were implemented way better. Changes need to happen soon as players are leaving this game pretty daily which is sad to say but this game was just not ready for release.
I played this game for a month played through the story and made custom battles played with a friend online realized alot of the mechanics are so brain dead and just went back to dbfz
Bandai should not have made him switch his characters in the middle of the round However, the fact. He thought it was going to be OK for him to time. His opponent out for 600 seconds each round while thousands of people are watching is absurd...
honestly if bandai gave us an hd collection of Tenkaichi series with online support that alone would be good enough and made everyone happy instead of a brand new game lol
I don't understand why every fighting game needs to be super competitive and pushed to he at tournaments. This game should just be there to have fun play some rounds with your friend's etc not to be taken super seriously. Is it if not FighterZ job to be that kind of game in the first place
Fans wanted this game to be more than what it is and imo they are the ones to blame. It is a fighting game but not one that can be taken as seriously as others. There is nothing wrong with that and I don’t understand why people get so defensive when others say “it’s not a real fighting game”. It does not need to be a real fighting game it just needs to be a good game.
intentionally dancing with each other is not really "exposing" a game tho... these dudes are clowns if he used the flying to show how easy it was to dodge the opponent then okay, but they BOTH didnt put in any effort. Just danced together. Neither even tried to attack. You can do that in any game? lmao wtf that proved nothing. Effectively the same as standing and emoting together. or just moving around... 6:00 He didnt even try to overcome it tho so this showcased nothing. Watching a "pro" player try to overcome this cheesy tech wouldve been good to see but this was a sack of nothing
The sweaty tryhards are upset that 2 finalists didnt treat the game as a sweaty tryhard simulation even though this was obviously clear from day 1. Clowns actually thought a game with Yajirobe and Jiren would be completely even and balanced.
Vanishing should take half a kid bar and half a skill point. The two big issues of the game feed into each other and I feel these lil changes would drastically change how the game is played
Mike i feel like this idea that this game is not ment to be competative because of this when so many older games have something similar going on. What Dr.Jero is doing is only possible in this game because its an arena fighter with flying as a mechanic. But a similar keepaway is present in other games. Also the competator that won posted on his twitter saying he played like this on purpose to show Bandai how broken the game is. But games like Marvel 2 follow the same structure as a game like sparking zero. Theres no way to work around and beat the high tier characters in the game unless you use them yourself.(thats why the other person had the same team, before being forced to change) When sf2 came out theres impossible matchups like gief vs honda. Alpha 2 evil ryu being banned. Fist of the north star a completely broke game that has been played comepetatively. Tekken 7 Leroy top 8. Smash 4 Bayonetta, smash ultimate banning steve. What happened in sparking zero is awful, its showing the devs the state of the game, and we all know the game is going to be patched. But im tired of the narritive that just cuz a games broken it isnt competitive when that isnt true. Just cuz you see the same characters and meta in a fighting game it cant be competitive when otner games follow a similar structure at launch. Ive seen it for years both playing and consuming fighting games. Ive seen people play boring keep away using strong characters and exploiting cheese. These players should have been banned period.
Not every fighting game is meant to be competitive. Arena Fighters aren't meant to be, bever will and that's okay. The Budokai Tenkaichi games were only meant to have fun and fuck around with your friends.
I was wondering why they were using the androids. I’ve been playing the game but just the story. What exactly were they showing? The androids ki is constantly regenerating so they can spam super rising and descend?
Their dragon dash costs no ki, so they can spam it. They're also the best counters to themselves since they can't drain each other's energy. The match is also timed, so if you can't catch them, they win on time if they manage to tag you a few times.
And people were mad at me for saying the Sparking series will NEVER be considered a competitive fighter. They should just accept it. I'm not even angry at it.
The older games were much more balanced than this.
@dhayris160 definitely wasn't, and that was supposed to be the point. Flying, instant transmission, transformations, effing senzu beans 😂😂😂, etc. How are you supposed balance such madness
@@dhayris160 I'll say that things like not being able to perform rush attacks on downed opponents were for the best back then. But those games still weren't balanced.
If smash bros has a competitive scene then DBSZ is a hyper competitive game
Nobody even knows you lmao wym people are mad at you. Take ya bl@ck a$$ on somewhere
When they said the game was intentionally unbalanced, that was interpreted as "UI Goku mogs half the roster by default." Which was expected, but is honestly still kind of fair considering his cost. I think they actually did a good job balancing characters around their DP cost.
What they absolutely botched was the system mechanics. Nobody wanted infinite stalling, sparking mode spam, afterimage strike nonsense or the fight turning into a rhythm game every time somebody attempts a combo. I still like Sparking Zero, but it's something I'm exclusively playing for the single player or with my bros. Netplay for this game is cancer.
That's what i was thinking because I didn't even touch the online cause the rage quiting it keep hearing about and how crazy it is that some people just stop playing it
The problem is not the abilities is the easy way you get DP points in the vanish wars just make the vanish wars consume 1 ki bar for vanish
The 2 dp earthlings NEED to be weaker. They should never be on par with even the weakest Z fighter or enemy. Yaji, Videl and Hercule should only have 1 health bar and shouldn’t be able to stall. They slow the game down and make it boring to watch
Net play is full of people who want this game in Evo
This is what happens when all the online bots keep saying "We want zero balance!" and the devs actually release a game with zero balance. Bandai and Jun Furutani should REALLY pick who they choose to listen to carefully 💀
Neither of you tards, thats for sure.
so tired of games listening to random NPCs instead of the scientific type people who dissect the game
Nah it's still good it's not balance that's Tenkaichi u new players needa stick to xenovese u don't like it
@@dantheman5052 tenkaichi was never like this LMAO they didnt even have online, its 2024 not 2005
This just shows that you would never survive the old tenkaichi games. These were never meant to be a competitive fighting game
Some games just aren’t meant to be competitive. This game is a prime example.
yeah, but all the games are meant to be fun. Whatever I witnessed, was not. And it can be pulled off by a literal scrub.
The thing is, it could be, but it ain't right now.
It could be the potential is there just feedback that needs to be listened to
I think the issue is that the only way this game could have been fun long term is if they made it just a bit more competitive. A lot of people were acting like leaving the game a broken mess was some sort of noble thing, which is odd.
Also, it's pretty clear that they never had any intention of taking the game in the direction it needs to go, but it's still disappointing.
@@erichthegrahamthe game does not need to be competive. 😂😂 stop trying to fit the square block in the circle.
This is why I hate modern gaming. The series was never meant to be hyper competitive but we live in an era where you can't just enjoy something that puts player vs player against each other without people trying to make it the next global tournament game. This is why everyone bought it but most people dropped it after facing sweats in ranked grinding 24/7. I played a ton of Tenkaichi 2 and 3 with my friends back in the day but we all know the game was just for fun. "High level play" kills the fun in games like this.
"High level play" feels bad because the game's mechanics are awful. 99% of people's complaints with the game have virtually nothing do with "sweats" and everything to do with how people online are able to abuse bad game design to cheese out a win. That and the customization and story mode are quite subpar.
You realise this is a official legit tournament by the company who made this game right. They are trying to make it competitive
Bt2 and 3 are made way better for competitive though and because of that those games will live longer unless they fix the mess that is this game.
I wanna play this game long term but it’s hard for me to want to when the game is an unbalanced mess
And I don’t mean characters.
The actual mechanics of the game feel bad if you plan on playing the game outside of just for fun with friends.
It’s still hype, but you get caught side stepping on opponents. Movement feels horrible as there is some sort of invisible wall in the way of maneuvering over or below people. Not a thing in old bt games
Nothing here is "high level" these players aren't sweating. In fact they are showing that this game doesn't need to high level skills to play and win. Actually balancing the game would make it better for all skill levels
The Competitive BT3 and BT2 community make the enjoyment of those games even higher with their discoveries of advanced mechanics like the "enigma dash" or "flanking" while Sparking zero has nothing to please both casual and hardcore audiences. The game has poorly balanced mechanics that allow characters like 19 and 20 to get away with a camping playstyle. The players showed that, and now it's up to the december patch to fix the game. What the game is meant to be is irrelevant when most people don't want to play it anymore, so whatever the game is trying to accomplish, it failed at it. Btw, as @DarkEntityTheory said, this is an official tournament.
Everyone says the game is meant to be "unbalanced", but when the developpers said it, they always meant character stats, not mechanics, otherwise that would mean that 19 and 20 were meant to be top tier, it's obviously not what was intended.
Ppl don’t play games for fun anymore. The moment they put in ranked mode I already knew players were gonna use broken mechanics and exploits. That being said there still are things Bandai need to fix but it’s a different era than when bt3 came out
It doesn't help that bots in single player aren't fun to fight. So the only fulfilling combat is against other people
Even the commentators can't comment over the gameplay they are so bored waiting for the match to end. 😴
I remember all the people saying we want zero balance I’m tired of comp games 😢😢 u got want you wanted don’t cry now
This game has unintentionally done a lot to forward the conversation of game balance and "competitive viability." When the game dropped everybody was happy to have a game that was "Dumb fun" without really being serious about what that does to a game's lifespan. It's hard to stay interested in something that is has zero consideration for the long term. If the skill ceiling of a game isn't fun, then that's one less incentive to improve.
I'm happy to own the game, especially since it gave me a reason not to take ranked mode super serious (an attitude which I intend to cultivate in my other games), but I'm more interested in learning Tekken/Virtua Fighter or getting to Master rank in SF6, no point wasting grind time on SZ if it's just a party game to play with friends that don't like fighting games. I do wish things had been different for this game, it could have been THE arena fighter, but oh well.
Edit: When MK1 had that Sindel/Jax looping unblockable, it was considered controversial that it was banned mid tournament. Not picking a side there, but compare and contrast with this SZ "play seriously," and you'll see why this is silly. Even in the midst of that controversy, it was generally understood that its the devs responsibility to fix it in the long term, and that the tournament ban was a short term solution. Telling players to play seriously like that's not exactly what they are doing is pretty cringe.
Thats my thoughts the game can be balanced more for sure but be made into a sweaty comptetive game is not the way I think it needs to go. Balance sime unfun things and its good to go. Tekken for me is the game where I play comptetive
Who could have forseen that the type of game that was designed to be played on a couch with friends wouldn't work when online ranked was added to it? I can't believe no one predicted this and said it verbatim before release!
I don’t mind the game being unbalanced character wise. But there’s just broken and cheesy mechanics that make it stupid lol. Spike can fix this and turn it around and I hope they do
Bro the mechanics are so badly balanced id argue its not that fun even between friends
Me and my homeboy were inspired to go back to tekken
I got to a rank and every fight just feels the same lol
Unless you and the other guy make a deliberate attempt to make it dramatic and fun its just what was seen above, or you dont do the above and lose to the above
1:35 this is why i left sparking zero the playerbase is soooo shameless its actually palpable
9:20 items beung exploited theres no end to the nonsense wow
I was just telling my friends I wish they played Tekken but they just want to play this cuz it's easy lol
youtube is crazy, we went from every youtuber hyping and shilling this game to every youtuber making sparking zero is trash flopped videos, as if we have fish brain. whoever subscribes to channels like afrosenju, rhymstyle and those trashy channels where they just scream down the mic are donuts, they dont care about you.
Yup.
People obsessed over it and treated it like it was the next big thing for about a month or so, then everything went suspiciously quiet out of nowhere. I had actually forgotten about it for a hot minute (I hadn't actually had enough time to play it as much as I would have liked) up until this video.
Now everyone hates it seemingly overnight. Like, should I even go back to it at this point? All my friends stopped playing it, I didn't even think about it until now but they all went back to FF14 and just stopped playing this entirely.
@@joshuaknox2724 opinions are subject to change overnight. The main reason the game got so much hype was because it's been almost 20 years since a sequel to the main Sparking series was released. It's a solid game. People just didn't expect there to be an overwhelming amount of abuse when it comes to busted mechanics in online matches. And it's okay to voice your opinion on that.
I agree and I’m disappointed about it too. I know afro just hypes up any hot new game, playes a few months at best and moves on but rhyme style was actually a clown this time around. Dude was calling it “literally Tenkaichi 4” and praising everything about the game before release. Even was playing the game early. Now game comes out and he’s suddenly “too busy” to play the game and even makes a video titled “sparkling zero is unplayable”. That’s clown shit and he obviously just wanted that shill money and bandai connections.
@@Digital.midori Tbf to Rhyme since it was before the game came out he didn't know what he knows now and only saw the potential of the game
Even liking the game opinions can change when you get the full experience
@@RandomBlackGameropinions changing is fine. But these same people who said this game is amazing and just like Tenkaichi 3 are full of bs. They played the game ALOT before release. And they call themselves “Tenkaichi vets”. They should have noticed things like perception being able to be spammed, and especially the date you get skill bars. They should have noticed how the vanish battles are. But no, they’d rather complain about the camera spin and “dimension change” when you do a ki blast battle.
Whoever complains could never hang in fighterz
Or any fighting game with motion inputs
I mean...honestly, yeah. Many people can't and you make it sound like that's a bad thing. The game wouldn't have sold if everyone wanted to play Fighterz.
i think you hit the nail on the head by saying that Bamco played themselves by hosting an official tournament for the game after going out of their way to say how the game was designed to be broken lol.
I love the game quite a bit, it has some issues but i do feel like the game has a ton of out of the box value, a lot of characters and really feels like the return to that Tenkaichi formula i loved but in this age with better online and more desire for competition i think they got their wires crossed. the combat system clearly doesn't have things thought through to the point where the fun stuff is nigh impossible to execute in a real pvp match much less a high level one.
Idk what to propose system mechanic wise because id want to make sure the game has its spirit and doesn't get turned into a competitive fighter that it doesn't need to be, but clearly they need to overhaul enough or have some sort of competitive mode created that changes things for these types of things if they want to keep a tournament series going. im sure its not gonna reflect well if it keeps going like this
Im just a chill guy who only plays against cpu, pretending its 2005 again. Lovin it lol
Literally ✊💪💯
Theres definitely counter play: don't try to play a party game competitively without strict rules. Fighter Z is right there if you want competitive dbz.
Defensivr play is oppressive, defensive moves vost little to no ki and can be spammed and offensive moves are counterable and cost a shit ton of ki even just to gapclosr
People like you are gonna kill the game with that mindset
@@JDerpyDoesStuffAgree. You cannot just dictate how someone is suppose to play a game. Every fighting game nowdays needs balancing, is the competitive fighting community that keeps the game alive.
@@solaris3251thank you just don’t play rank SKILL ISSUE!!!😂 and people are gonna come back when the dlc come out
The ones that say “This game isn’t supposed to be balanced” are the ones playing Gotega, Z Broly, Android 19, Gero, Reccoome, yajirobe and all the broken cheese. Played the game for 2 weeks straight and I swear im the only person that played Garlic Jr
Yajirobe is broken 😂🤣
"hindsight is 20/20" nah, i disagree. We've plenty of actual fighters that went down this path. We've seen this story before but people don't wanna listen sadly.
Crazy how everyone hates this game now I still love it. I dont play it competitively and i never expected to be. BT3 was casual back then and sparking zero is too. There are stuff to fix but I dont think this game will be a evo game.
Hmm i swear i was saying something like this before the hame came and everyone said how wrong i was.
Regardless of the games problems, both players should be banned for colluding. Part of competition is actually competing
Bootlicker
The issue is that they were both playing seriously..
do you know how protests work? a protest is not always going abide by the rules in place by the system that was created. in fact, most times they end up disobeying those rules. if you’re worrying about a punishment towards them, you’re missing the point.
ask why people that will win money for winning are blatantly risking their chance of making that money? why would two competitors act in way that’s so opposed to their self interests?
Arena fighters arent made to be esports competitive. Its a party game you play with your friends so you can look at cool animations after pressing a button.
And yet, some arena fighters do have a competitive scene...Naruto Ninja Storm has one, Kill La Kil: IF has one, My Hero Academia: One Hero's Justice has one...I think the only arena fighter that doesn't, as far as I know, is Jump Force. You can find competitive scenes for games that aren't even multiplayer if you look hard enough. Something...people clearly don't either want to or never tried to do
A game that isnt meant to be competitive should not have held tournaments or done "balance adjustments."
not competitive implies that some characters are more broken than others, not that the game mechanics get botchered allowing plays like this to happen.
It simply not a competitive Game, its a Bandai Namco game like always, beside Tekken and DBFZ. I remember when some folkes said that they want sparking Zero in EVO 😂😂😂😂. I always says this game is just a cash grab for Bandai, its not a real fighting game. We had the demonstration in this "tournament"
It's funny how one of the biggest complaints with the most popular modern fighters is how the mechanics heavily favor aggressiveness, yet Sparking Zero seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum. The beginning of that set with androids flying for skill points reminded me a lot of Ken and Chun whiffing normals for meter build at the beginning of a match in Third Strike, except it happened much less often in Third Strike and was done in like 10 seconds anyway lol. Hopefully the Devs can take a real look at whats wrong with this footage and not just assume poor sportsmanship or being unserious. I'd personally love for Sparking to have a longer term fanbase. Fighterz is nice and all, but playing it tends to make me just want to play a Marvel game instead. If Sparking is a blow up...oh well. But hopefully itll get better.
The Sparking series was never a real fighting game, it's a DRAGON BALL game. It's *mostly* accurate, it has power creep, and it looks flashy. The game being unbalanced is done on purpose and is very much so how all the old dragon ball games are. The second someone picked Kid Buu back then was time to lock the hell in, or the SSJ4 characters who just did massive damage. Sparking Zero is a dragon ball game, not a fighting game, and I love it for that.
Yeah, but you're okay with the system mechanics being the way they are right now? I mean, even as a "dragon ball game," this shit STILL doesn't look fun, bruv
so why have a ranked mode, and why organize tournaments? It doesn't look like you have the game, but just to let you know, this game has a ranked mode. When the game is not supposed to be competitive like you said!!! And why even have a tournament for a NON COMPETIRIVE GAME!!!! Baffles my mind
When we tried to tell you people all of this initially, you people dismissed us. Now, after taking something like this to happen for things to finally "click", you same lot have the surprised pikachu face. Better late than never I suppose.
no one cares about competitive though
Besides what happened in the grand finals which was hilarious, what I also think is funny is that even though I also enjoy this game, I never thought in my mind that this would be taken seriously as a competitive fighting game.
It’s an arena fighter that just feels more about mashing and having fun as opposed to games like Tekken or Street Fighter, where people can also mash and have fun, but they have been established for years as being more technical and harder to master.
I don’t think Sparking Zero was ever intentionally made to be balanced or in the same category as the others. Its possible for Bamco to fix things and make more attempts for people to take it more serious, but honestly it doesn’t have to be taken seriously.
As long as it’s fun for people to play and it’s making money, then that’s that.
Damn, and i use the androids
Cause I mained them in BT3.
I never used that strat
after all the hype the fans got the game that they wanted.. I think the saying goes “be carful what you wish for..” 😂💀
Sparking zero is a great game with serious flaws, like I think even tekken 8 is in a better state in terms of plugging plus systematically broken system mechanics, like heat is bad but the stupid flying up and down with gero and android 19 shit I deal with and the vanish wars and switching out like damn, and instant sparking and very hard to break out of unblockable ultimates like no wonder the competitive isn’t taken seriously
Crazy that y'all looked at how Tekken 8 has gone and expected much from this game.
Tekken 8 isn’t this level of unbalanced. At least Tekken is entertaining to watch
@@j.i.nthenobody54 Tekken 8 entertaining to watch? Disagree but okay...
@@Kai-jn7pn and you’d rather watch two mfs going up and down for 90 seconds?
Name of the song at the end
People really want this to be a competitive game. It flopped😭😭
I hope if they make a sequel they give it a proper story mode for those of us who haven't seen the show
It’s funny to me that a DRAGON BALL GAME has 0 honor from the fans just a bunch of losers using cheap tactics very sad
This is why I said what I said about how this "shouldn't be treated as a competitive game". Nevermind whether or not it's a Fighting Game, Bandai Namco just clearly didn't build it with competitive competition in mind which makes this whole tournament baffling for even existing in the first place.
For the record, before anyone says it, just because I don't believe it should be competitive doesn't mean it doesn't deserve proper balance adjustments. Fun can be compromised by broken mechanics too, not saying it can't. I used to play a ton of Playstation Allstars and the bane of my existence when I ran duos with my buddy was running into a Kratos every match. In SCV, it was Natsu. So on so forth. If a game isn't competitive, then it should be fun at the very least and any elements that compromise the fun should be looked at closely.
Here, these players basically just demonstrated exactly what the problems are and why this tournament never should have happened.
Yet they were dumb enough to put in a ranked mode. Enough said.
@godfrey4461
Yup.
Honestly I don't know why every game these days want a Ranked Mode. In games like these I feel it's a lot better to have accolades where people can just rate your profile based in how you play, that way at a glance someone can tell if you're fun to fight against, annoying, or really sweaty and play top ranked characters.
They should have just left Ranked out.
Remember people, Bumco thought their highest priority was to nerf Yajirobe
Because people we’re salty about getting bodied Yajirobe instead of learning their character's strength
This game will have a bright future once the vocal side of the player base stops expecting the game to be competetive. Last i checked, Bandai proudly announced how unbalanced this game is. I've gotten into arguments online with ppl mad that their personal expectations of the game that it never promised was not met
After thinking about it a bit more calmly, Bandai is definitely talking out both sides of their mouths. "This game is gonna be absolutely busyed unfair ..... here's a ranked mode and an official tournament"
People wanted unbalanced characters not trash unbalanced mechanics like what we had before, that's why people are complaining.
Modern day gamers are entitled and think they need to prove themselves.
Having an unbalanced game that's not meant at the highest level of play is not the same as the game breaking down by just understanding how it works. Flying up and down is not high level a 5 year old could've done that.
@@DRpepper1575 but would a 5 y/o understand why they're doing it? 🤔
That’s one thing I can give Jump Force.. the devs KNEW the game was spam central so they locked Ultimate Attacks behind a damage percentage, so in order to do any Ult in the game you had to be at around 50% health.. for SZ it’s just one skill point and that’s all it takes lol
Mike, you really wanted this mess at evo? 😂. I said to you on X a while back that this game would fall off a cliff, and you still defended it. If MK is a party game, then sparking zero is a kids make believe tea party.
You act like the game is bad, but it its not at all, 😂😂lol it's just unbalanced on some areas and that's it
Looks like the honeymoon phase is over. I told yall mfs this game wasn't gonna last 😅
5:40 I can't believe this, but he is not even trolling
“Stop showcasing how bad our game is. 🔫”
lol when this news dropped i only had one name that came to my mind and that was MIKE HOLLOW!!! Always appreciate your opinions
I still remembered when the hype for the game was ramping up. At first I had told myself that Tekken was going to be the best fighting game of the year, but then my friend was talking about sparking and brought up some valid points. Now here we are where it's 90% of the player base abandoned the game, and I only hear worse developments 😭
Yeah, don't lesson to those idiots saying 90% of players are gone because that is just a complete lie I play this game almost every other day, and I see lobbies full of people playing
I love this game to death, I really hope they get it together with this. This game has too much potential to leave like this. Another great video!
Just goes to show how many people actually grew up playing Tenkaichi Growing up compared to those that know nothing of this series..
I’m still loving Sparking Zero despite its’ flaws. I don’t play online anyway, I’m a classic old school gamer.
I didn't know they cut away from from the gameplay that is TOUGH
I've seen people mad at them for playing like this saying that they aren't really playing the game or wanting them to play a certain way
Idk why people get mad at the players for using tools the devs gave them to play the game. This is a tornment if they weren't doing this they would just be doing something else that's crazy.
The game is mechanically bad and this is what happens when you don't iron out those issues and people want to be apologists for this game talking about "it's supposed to be unbalanced" or "It shouldn't be taken seriously" or whatever buzz phrase people mindlessly spout, but also fail to realize that every game can be optimized whether you like it or not, Mario kart and mario party can be optimized, Sonic can be optimized, souls games can be optimized, Tryhards will exist everywhere, It's not about having OP characters or a Meta because that's just the nature of any fighting games, what's important is having good mechanics that incentivise fun DESPITE the competitive side of things. This is why smash bros succeeds because even though that was designed with the casual in mind, the competitive side can get a kick of the depth that the game offers since those people who are hardcore are in it for the long run. This was understood 17 years ago and people wanna act surprised like this wasn't common sense. This game didn't even release with a player quick match which just shows how undercooked and untested most of this stuff was. The game should be balanced, but balanced around Fun and the shit that you saw in that tournament is exactly what needs to be patched out. Competition isn't ruining anything, the devs making a mechanically illiterate game is the problem.
It's not DLC we need,
It's TLC.
o7, PEACE.
The first two were trying to do what the two Kefla players did at Fighterz finale so I don't blame that on the devs. That's two players agreeing to do something together. In an actual setting where people actually want to fight that's not gonna happen
I appreciate the players showing everyone that Bandai needs to fix their game
Maybe it will sound a little elitist but, as a veteran bt1/2/3 player, the moment I see a streamer etc that smash/spam Z counter (SC), I lost the respect for them, is not suposed to work like that, ki spam as well
Can somebody explain exactly what was happening in that clip of Gero and 19? Why were they flying around like that?
They gotta make it where anytime you're moving away from the opponent, make them slower.
This was embarrassingly bad 😂
Damn where are the comments that condemned me for saying this a month ago ? Not mad at y’all, just use your own brain next time and stop being sheep
They will never listen. People should have known this game was going to be garbage because we're talking about Spike Chunsoft here 😂
Idk it seems kinda childish to expect this game to be anything but more bt3. And it has been proven time and time again that arena fighters are not and will not be competitive at all.
This situation required proper rule establishment. I understand their intentions, but the execution was lacking. Moving forward, Bandai Namco must invest in making the game truly competitive. Creating a competitive arena fighter is possible with the right effort. I would like to see this game featured at EVO, but for it to be viable on the FGC's largest platform, the game requires adjustments and significant overhauls in several areas.
Wish they would not have a time limit in grand finals (=
The fact Bandi is putting out a balance patch is ridiculous
The player who did the ki dash cheese said he did it on purpose in order to bring attention to it on a much larger scale. Can't be ignored if you just streamed it live for the whole fanbase to see it. Which screw him for letting more people know about it DP battles are bad enough already. But also thank you for making it so they can't ignore it anymore so it can get patched out of the game.
There are PLENTY defensive mechanics, there are even PLENTY movement ideas. But there is almost nothing there offensively.
Mechanically: this game deserved no more than a seven that ppl cried about.
Somehow I get the feeling people don't understand what a game being competetive means. Nobody is saying Nappa should be as strong as Gogeta. How does the game being broken make it more fun in any way? I just can't understand the aversion to fixing a game. There will be skill gaps whether the game is broken or not so how does fixing broken shit hurt your fun at all?
Yeah there is counterplay to the Gero & 19 Dragon Ascending/Descending strat but none of the options are actually viable. Hopefully this game can be saved before the holidays.
the trunks player actually tried to use the beam counter play and it DID NOT work at all not even 1 time maybe its because trunks has a cinematic beam but even then i dont think one without it woulda worked the way gero player was moving
i watched the grand final live was laughing all the way through and tyrant didn't look happy or impressed lol. i am a tekken player to. they was doing kanye west runaway in gaming form in the grand final.
What's the outro music?
Honestly Mike I already knew when I saw the tournament rules for the Online Qualifiers that it was gonna be a mess as everything that was shown me and other players already knew about. I don't really get why people are getting mad at Hillia or Shinryu either as any competitiive player will tell you they are gonna to use the best options to win whether you are qualifying for a event or playing for money in any aspect. So making Hillia have to " play seriously" when he already was and making him lose I found it mad corny and unprofessional on their end ESPECIALLY when the Android 19 & 20 ting with the Dragon Dashing was shown in the first month of the game being released but instead they only focused on nerfing Yajirobe when people were talking about that also.
I was also one of those people who didn't understand why they decided to do tournaments now when the game still needs hella things fixed, Input Delay, Perception, Z Counter, Super Counter, InstaSpark, No Ki Blast cooldown etc. when they have a patch coming out in December anyways. As me and my Tenkaichi 2 & 3 players said Sparking Zero moved so many step backwards when in the older games they were balances in those games for a reason and now we got what we have with Sparking the games weren't perfect but the mechanics as a whole were implemented way better. Changes need to happen soon as players are leaving this game pretty daily which is sad to say but this game was just not ready for release.
They gotta add in a time limit to force interaction
Yeah, Sparking Zero is down there with the Smash community now. I can't unsee it lol
It’s fun with friends. Get friends
I’m surprised a universal rule set wasn’t made up from the community before having tournaments, I guess these are the growing pains.
“What, all I had to was press up and down? Up, and down?! What the fu-“ (loses)
I haven't played Sparking Zero and I don't understand what they were doing. Can someone explain? How did they intend to win by flying up and down?
I played this game for a month played through the story and made custom battles played with a friend online realized alot of the mechanics are so brain dead and just went back to dbfz
Bandai should not have made him switch his characters in the middle of the round However, the fact. He thought it was going to be OK for him to time. His opponent out for 600 seconds each round while thousands of people are watching is absurd...
We knew this would happen. You can't force a game to be something it's not without changing the integrity of the developers' vision.
Smash wasn’t designed for comp play either. It evolved into it with time.
Your combo chains are awesome and I am hoping to get as good as you soon ✌️
honestly if bandai gave us an hd collection of Tenkaichi series with online support that alone would be good enough and made everyone happy instead of a brand new game lol
Man that’s embarrassing to watch, and technically they were taking the fight seriously. It’s just boring af to watch
This is what happens when you try to make a non-competitive game something it isn’t. Theres no reason sparking should have official tournaments
I don't understand why every fighting game needs to be super competitive and pushed to he at tournaments. This game should just be there to have fun play some rounds with your friend's etc not to be taken super seriously. Is it if not FighterZ job to be that kind of game in the first place
EVO is probably scrambling trying to figure out what to do with this game, since they probably have it as a main stage event.
Only competitive in the living room
I said from since the very beginning that this game was not meant to be taken seriously.
Didn't the same thing happened in Smash Bros. with the two Bayonettas in Grand Finals?
Crazy to think some people unironically said "I don't see a reason why this game shouldn't be a main game at Evo"
Why does this need to be competitive? The sparking games are meant to dragon ball sims first fighting games second vice versa for fighterz
Fans wanted this game to be more than what it is and imo they are the ones to blame. It is a fighting game but not one that can be taken as seriously as others. There is nothing wrong with that and I don’t understand why people get so defensive when others say “it’s not a real fighting game”. It does not need to be a real fighting game it just needs to be a good game.
I bought this game for my son and all he does is create custom battles 😂
intentionally dancing with each other is not really "exposing" a game tho... these dudes are clowns
if he used the flying to show how easy it was to dodge the opponent then okay, but they BOTH didnt put in any effort. Just danced together. Neither even tried to attack. You can do that in any game? lmao wtf that proved nothing. Effectively the same as standing and emoting together. or just moving around...
6:00 He didnt even try to overcome it tho so this showcased nothing. Watching a "pro" player try to overcome this cheesy tech wouldve been good to see but this was a sack of nothing
The sweaty tryhards are upset that 2 finalists didnt treat the game as a sweaty tryhard simulation even though this was obviously clear from day 1. Clowns actually thought a game with Yajirobe and Jiren would be completely even and balanced.
⬆️ maximum cope
@@dinolover And Yajirobe is the one that got nerfed.
@@Kingtay011 and yet I'm not the one making a video crying about it. Go play MK1 if you want balance.
@@mifaro2255 which is hilarious, might be the same with chaoitzu soon
Vanishing should take half a kid bar and half a skill point. The two big issues of the game feed into each other and I feel these lil changes would drastically change how the game is played
Mike i feel like this idea that this game is not ment to be competative because of this when so many older games have something similar going on. What Dr.Jero is doing is only possible in this game because its an arena fighter with flying as a mechanic. But a similar keepaway is present in other games. Also the competator that won posted on his twitter saying he played like this on purpose to show Bandai how broken the game is.
But games like Marvel 2 follow the same structure as a game like sparking zero. Theres no way to work around and beat the high tier characters in the game unless you use them yourself.(thats why the other person had the same team, before being forced to change) When sf2 came out theres impossible matchups like gief vs honda. Alpha 2 evil ryu being banned. Fist of the north star a completely broke game that has been played comepetatively. Tekken 7 Leroy top 8. Smash 4 Bayonetta, smash ultimate banning steve.
What happened in sparking zero is awful, its showing the devs the state of the game, and we all know the game is going to be patched. But im tired of the narritive that just cuz a games broken it isnt competitive when that isnt true. Just cuz you see the same characters and meta in a fighting game it cant be competitive when otner games follow a similar structure at launch.
Ive seen it for years both playing and consuming fighting games. Ive seen people play boring keep away using strong characters and exploiting cheese. These players should have been banned period.
Not every fighting game is meant to be competitive. Arena Fighters aren't meant to be, bever will and that's okay.
The Budokai Tenkaichi games were only meant to have fun and fuck around with your friends.
"Don't make videl as good as Gogeta" -- well, in dp battle at least, Videl is actually way better. I think she's top 5 most used.
I was wondering why they were using the androids. I’ve been playing the game but just the story. What exactly were they showing? The androids ki is constantly regenerating so they can spam super rising and descend?
Their dragon dash costs no ki, so they can spam it. They're also the best counters to themselves since they can't drain each other's energy. The match is also timed, so if you can't catch them, they win on time if they manage to tag you a few times.