Hey guys, a quick apology for an earlier error and a clarification regarding ground clearances (we'll have the error trimmed out of the video shortly - EXPAND for more details): *An earlier version of the video incorrectly stated the Rubicon 392 Xtreme Recon Package's ground clearance as 11.1 inches - it's actually 12.9 inches, as we mentioned in previous Xtreme recon videos. Here's how the two stack up by the numbers: FORD BRONCO RAPTOR: - Ground Clearance: 13.1 inches - Approach Angle: 47.2 degrees - Departure Angle: 40.5 degrees - Breakover Angle: 30.8 degrees - NO RTI SCORE YET JEEP WRANGLER RUBICON 392 XTREME RECON: - Ground Clearance: 12.9 inches - Approach Angle: 46.7 degrees - Departure Angle: 39.8 degrees - Breakover Angle: 24.5 degrees - RTI Score: 712 On paper, at least, the Bronco Raptor still comes out ahead in the measurements, but it's closer on ground clearance than the earlier portion of the video suggested. We apologize for the error and thank you for watching!
I was wondering about those figures when Andre was speaking. For all of the hype...to just be incrementally better than a 5 year old JL isn't all that, particularly given that massive changes in suspension and the 37s.
I have been watching a few other channels showing the Bronco's off road ability. Several others have shown the weakness of the steering arms on the Bronco, with arms breaking and leaving the wheels with no steering control. The 37 inch tires will add additional stress. I hope Ford fixes this issue. The extra width and IFS make the Bronco better for fast runs though the desert. The solid front axle and smaller size makes the Jeep the better rock rig. Great to see the competition between manufacturers, but as others have mentioned, the prices are crazy. My choice is the Jeep.
I think this is why Jeep fought so long against going with such large diameter tires for years because of how stressful they are on control arms, bushings, tie rod ends, etc over the long term. I really hope Ford beefed up everything for 37s...
A couple of things to note about the 3.0 EcoBoost. That engine family, the 2.7/3.0 Nano, was built from the ground up for forced induction. It has a compacted graphite iron block, like a diesel, and forged internals. Just like a diesel. This engine family was built to be stressed and abused. Also note that Ford is using the same turbos as what the 3.0 EcoBoost already came with but are upgrading the compressor wheels along with adding freer flowing piping and exhaust. That’s worth noting since the 3.0 EcoBoost in the Explorer ST makes 400hp and 415tq while being tuned to run on 87 octane, and I’d bet the Bronco Raptor 3.0 is going to be premium only. This engine is going to be making mid to high 400’s and even more torque 🤷🏻♂️
Yep and specs don't really matter. Jeep lovers will buy Jeeps and Bronco lovers will buy Broncos. Even if one is proven to be significantly better than the other the level of loyalty these products have far outweighs common sense. I personally won't be buying either because I would really have a hard time spending $80k for something that will eventually get damage.
@@jacobforeman9916 they had portal axles on those that’ll probably be about $20K easily not including the suspension and shocks you’d need to run that portal drive hub.
@@ryanarchibald2907 because if you spending the money to get the over the top more than neccessary wrangler, you might as well get it all. Why would you not want it on the 392 wrangler? You want something more road biased than off road worthy? Well they have a supercharged ram for the same price and it has independent front suspension.
No matter what they build no matter what they bring to the table I AM A JEEP Guy always will be and no maker will out do the jeep name for me. I think there is a lot of people in my category of thinking more than any of you realize. Ford has always been in and out of this market where Jeep has held strong and will continue to make the performance we expect.
An expected and welcome addition to the Bronco lineup. Should be Ford's best contender to Jeep, but with Ford's ridiculous dealer markup I think it's going to end up being way more expensive than its competitors. We'll have to wait and see.
ugh Jeep dealers are marking up their hottest products too. At least my local jeep dealers are. Supply and demand dude. Try to remember 2 1/2 years ago dealers had to give cars away to sell em.
@@shitloveaduck Been selling for 3 years now. No one was happy when we sold em at zero profit or at a loss either 🤷♂️ At the end of the day no one is happy paying a ton of money for a car. Just be glad if you got one within the last 10 years. You probably got the vehicle at cost or at a loss to the dealership.
That's funny my Dad called our 66 bronco the Broncosaurus. I still have that Broncosaurus and will always have it. My FE is sitting right beside it and my Raptor should be one of the first to hit the rails. 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0. Lol
I know I'm in the minority, but after all of the hype, I'm slightly underwhelmed. I really thought they'd create a halo Bronco Raptor with at least the 3.5, or maybe even the Powerboost. But the Explorer engine just doesn't do it for me in this application. The Raptor may be every bit more capable than the 392 offroad, but the attitude of the JL elsewhere is superior. And why oh WHY is this thing heavier than a F150 Raptor!? I wouldn't be surprised if it is only about as fast as a 2.7. With the aftermarket community creating more and more offerings for the Bronco, I'd just build my own Raptor if I were a Bronco guy.
i have an 82 bronco. just under 3t. std.. double panels & lots of furry stuffing.. there more of a luxury car,than jeep. id have the jeep. smaller,lighter more power 2 diffs. ford ifs is a killer for me. i put a d44 in mine. 4" lift. locker, d60 rear. &, im in aus.. i also have a s/duty, look these up.. 4.2tdi, MWM sprint. mines cab chassis [tray back ]. they have 510 nm std, 140 hp. yup pretty bad but theres no computer,no glow plugs, all mechanical. i fitted a t06 turbo. bit bigger. now has 700nm. 230hp.. 12.5 lt 100. on 35,s...3" lift..
Heading alone I can answer before watching this, because I have already watched your other video of the release on the Raptor Bronco. Ford F'd up on the engine choice, thus, the Jeep 392 wins this question hands down. I would not waste 1 penny on the Raptor Bronco. I would buy the 2.7 Bronco with the best off road package and be done with it. IF I want power from an off roader, the Jeep 392 would be the easy choice. ;)
Power to do what, though? Win a stoplight race? This Bronco would leave the 392 in the dust offroad in high speed situations. The Jeep would outcrawl the Bronco on rocks (slightly). So it totally depends what category means the most to you.
Question. Where is the vast majority of trails in the usa? Mountain. What happens in the mountains at elevation? N/A motors loose power. At moab the bronco will have 400hp the jeep will be lucky to still have 300
@@lunamaria1048 ever seen or driven a lull? A setup like that for a wrangler would be cool. You could drive out of rough spots sideways like those crab walk hummers.
I've seen them Bronco prices and you will be able to buy 2 392 for the price of 1 Bronco Raptor once Ford dealers begin to play the $100,000 market adjustment.
I was initially a little bit harsh in my criticism of the Bronco Raptor, but I finally seeing the value in some areas. One area that wasn't covered in configurability was the ECU, FORSCAN puts this vehicle ahead by a large margin, possibly including the powertrain!
Wider wheelbase is not better for slow technical offroading. But it is better for Baja style offroading. These are two very different vehicles. Not that anyone cares in 2022 but ill bet the MPG is similar given the V6 vs the V8 with the weight differences. I’m a Jeep guy, but the bronco is pretty sweet.
I have a 392 and absolutely love it...miles of smiles. Width is a seriously big deal if you want to fit into your garage, go down a trail without scratching your paint to the metal, etc. I would own a Bronco, but the mark-ups makes those on the 392 look like child's play. The Bronco Raptor fender flares are FUGLY.
Lol The ridiculousness of some of these vehicles is getting to be too much... 😄 And, I love it. 😆 Ok Jeep, now let's see a production version that Hellcat powered Wrangler from Moab a few years back. 😃🍿🤭
It's 3:30 in the MORNING PACIFIC TIME !!!! Are we NUTS ????? ----- WHY are we all here at this time of the morning! ANSWER? Cuz right after I take delivery of my Ford F150 Lightning, I'm getting this Bronco Raptor as my weekend warrior/long-distance off-road monster machine! THIS IS AWESOME !!!!!! Fantastic Job FORD! --- WELL DONE !!!!! V
The gears in the Rubicon recon package are 456. What gears are in the Bronco? Jeep has lockers front and rear with a sway bar disconnect. Does Bronco have lockers and a sway bar disconnect?
These vehicles are just too much. I think that my favorite off roader of them all is the wrangler in a spec similar to Tomy's. Small, lighweight and which loads of extra cash to burn in mods if thats your thing. Otherwise I am pretty sure that even as it is, due to the size and lightness it will go anywhere the bronco raptor and the xtreme reckon will, and maybe even someplaces more, where they would simply not fit.
You could make a badass Jeep Wrangler like Tommy’s on ton axles and 40s with any suspension you can imagine for cheaper than this. Yeah I’ll take the jeep Not to mention the bronco fenders are hideous
@@blueryxfalls7949 you sure? Because I’ve wheeled my JL heavily off road consistently for four years and it hasn’t so much as hiccuped. These broncos are already having catastrophic issues just as people get their hands on them. I’d trust a Maserati fiat over any ford
@@SanctumOfDreams - His right though jeeps are junk. Everyone that I know had one has had issues with it. Like it or not this Bronco is light years ahead in every single way as far as performance off-roading. This will go 100mph through the desert and absorb jumps likes nothing. I don’t see an single area where the jeep wins. Maybe in availability.
I like BOTH, but remain concerned that Ford is bringing great trucks & SUVs to the market while being unable to actually deliver within a reasonable timeframe (e.g. 90-120 days). Maverick, F-150 Tremor, Mach-e GT, & Bronco 2-door are all facing very long delivery ETAs.
Yep, I've order a 22 F350 6.7 Tremor Platinum Sept 1st last year, confirmed by Ford. Im still waiting....Ford bumped me to a priority #2 to earlier this month....there is a delay on the 5th wheel prep
@@fireant1272 I had a 2010 Focus and it was wonderful. Also, the F-150 has been a top seller for decades and people wouldn't buy them if there were serious reliability problems, as you suggest.
Reservation since July, order accepted October 14. Do I risk getting nothing if I change my Wildtrak order to Raptor and the dealer adds a huge markup? This is what has been rumored.
Those fenders on the bronco look awful. But I’ll be honest, this version of the Bronco is pretty good. You say it can crawl, but being wider when your rock crawling isn’t great when you’re in tight spots. Also the Jeep is so much easier to modify to do 7-10 rates trails. I’m not sure I’ll ever see a new bronco on Pritchett Canyon in Moab. But for the dunes I’m sure this bronco would be fun, but I’d take a 392 all day
Think about it this way: a Bronco can Baja, do some rock crawling and has great onroad manners, a Jeap can't Baja, rock crawls and is miserable on road ... the Bronco is better.
I truly wanted to want a new vehicle. I convinced myself to want a Manual transmission Sasquatch Bronco until I sat in one. Just to much computer and electronic nannies. I love my old YJ, so I looked at new Jeeps, and would have to cut the seat mounts and weld them together again like I did with my YJ. So I am redoing drive train on 1982 K10. If I absolutely had to get a new vehicle it would likely be the Jeep much like Tommy's, add a true locker rear axel.
@@brentvance3958 I read it as he wanted a Bronco with the manual transmission and the Sasquatch package until he sat in a Bronco. It may very well have been an automatic transmission in the one he sat in. Or maybe a manual Bronco that didn't have the Sasquatch package. Either way he didn't care for all of the electronic tech features.
@@brentvance3958 manual trucks are wack af anyways. I had a 10 speed auto pp mustang gt and manuals didn't stand A CHANCE. Manual is so hold and obsolete its like who cares anymore. Idk why people want manuals in jeeps and broncos anyways that shit is lame af for daily driving. I'd only do it for a renovated old school weekend drivers.
I understand you’re doing a straight factory option comparison, but tires are interchangeable. The true comparison is with the same tires. A lot of those clearance numbers would change if you threw 37 KO2s on the Jeep as well, and they’ll clear with the X-Recon wheels. With the standard 392 wheels 37s hit the control arms at full turn. Full disclosure, I have a 392 so I’m biased.
@tfloffroad So you said "before we talk about clearances and departure angles..." and then never covered them. Thankfully you posted the full chart at the end. One thing you got wrong is the wrangler 392 doesn't have the 4:1 transfer case like the rest of the rubicons. That will change your crawl ratio number!
I have two vehicles with the 5.7L in them, these V8 sound great, and have a lot of power, but as the price of gas goes up, keeping the tank filled is not that fun. I was paying 40-45 dollars to fille these up in Nov 2020, now its around 70-75 a week per vehicle.
In case anyone is wondering, the DRIVING RANGE of the Ford Bronco Raptor is 325 Miles (523 km) on a full tank of gas using the probable size of 20.8 Gallons tank that's on the REGULAR 4-door Bronco, so with TWO 20 gallon Jerry Cans attached to the back tailgate in a safety cage, you could get about 975 miles (1560 km) of driving range in good conditions and probably around 700 miles (1126 km) in horrendously bad weather off-road 4x4 conditions! That makes this an IDEAL VEHICLE for long range off-road boondocking and overlanding! V
The turbo 3.0 v6 only gets 15.6 mpg at 5700lbs empty? If it’s estimated at 18 Highway and close to that city that is terrible. I’m not a fan of the Jeep but I believe their estimate is 17 Highway and 13 city. They are very close to one another in actual mileage. If someone wanted mileage they would just go with an EcoDiesel Jeep running around 25+. For reference I drive a 6400lb I6 landcruiser 80 that gets 14+ on 33 inch km3 with a 25 gallon tank.
Bronco Raptor is a very impressive machine. A lot of the suspension is upgraded with more flex built in. Much more useable as it can carry passengers and cargo comfortably.
The best part of this video is the running footage of the 392. Just like the “new” Raptor, Ford has let down its fan base. Don’t get me wrong I don’t hate the raptor or this bronco, but for me the TRX or 392 Jeep would be way more fun and rewarding to drive.
Have you driven either? 392 is just a great sounding Jeep that sucks more gas, sucks on the road, and can't tow anything more than any other wrangler (although it can tow the same things faster!). Besides the sound the Jeep makes, the Bronco is 10x more fun to drive in everything but a straight line drag race at a stop light and can do everything else as well and better than the 392 except crawl over 6 ft. boulders which none of you are going to do anyhow! The 392 does put a huge smile on your face when you give it the beans though. The acceleration is amazing and the Bronco can't come close to it in that department. Oh yeah, the 392 starts at $12K more than even a Raptor Bronco similarly equipped.
@@jg4719 - I honestly think this Raptor will have quicker acceleration times than the 392, it’s going to be pushing 400+ and I’m assuming torque will be more than 450 so all jeep has is sound? Big deal
@Marvin Headrick Think of it this way.. If you know how Ford does their Raptor lineups, then you know you should assume that Ford probably has a *Bronco Raptor R* in development!.. If they make the R, it will compete with the likes of the Wrangler 392.. However, to be VERY honest, the 392 has TERRIBLE TERRIBLE mileage and doesn't do anything that more practical Wranglers can't... I got to test the 392 with my husband, who is a journalist! What is it you would like to see Ford do with the Bronco, to compete?
@@lunamaria1048 the Raptor version of both the F150 and this bronco are already priced almost equal to the TRX and the 392. Mileage aside (in my view) neither will be as enjoyable to drive as the Ram or Jeep, and that’s the whole point of these vehicles. So if the current Raptor variations are priced equal to (in my opinion) superior vehicles, when the R versions are finally released, they will compete well but their pricing will be a ridiculous amount beyond the competition. I said that this was a let down because I know that (on the day the new Raptor was unveiled) people were very disappointed that it will get ate by the TRX. They wanted more power and didn’t get it. I also know that people are very disappointed that this bronco didn’t get, at least, the F150 Raptor engine.
@@marvinheadrick3511 I don't understand what the F150 Raptor or Ram TRX has to do with this mid sized SUV segment?.. The Ram and F150 are full sized pickup trucks.. The Bronco is a midsized SUV competing with others in it's class, like Wrangler and 4Runner.. Again, the 392 is a gas guzzling gimmick, because Ford caught Jeep with their pants down, sleeping on the job.. No mid sized SUV needs that type of power, and the 4Runner is proof.. Toyota and Ford are keeping things practical, as economical as possible, and also affordable.. Bigger engines mean bigger price tags... The 392 is quite expensive for a thirsty Wrangler. The parent company that owns Jeep and Ram are lazy and answer everything with bigger engines that produce more power than anybody needs... I want innovation... Not 702 horse power
I'd def would go 392 rubicon. I'm not a fan of 37s, but who's to say I wouldn't want both. In some ways a bronco raptor can be more practical or less practical. They both already goof offroad like I could care less at this point.
For size you should give points toward Jeep because size matter off road I can see now all those raptor bronco will lead to another closures of trails due to damage of the trails because they are wider which will lead to more trail damage.
The crawl ration calculation is wrong. The Wrangler 392 only comes with a 2.72 ratio T-case. Thus the crawl ratios are quite similar. Regular Rubicons come with 4:1 ratio
I just looked at leasing terms for F150 Platinums AND F150 Raptors and are now MINIMUM 5 year terms if you want the $700 CDN per month terms and a cheap buyout so I expect the numbers to be somewhat similar for the Ford Bronco Raptor. 3rd party Leasing is based upon MSRP and NOT dealer markup if you go through third party lease companies (i.e. here in Western Canada, we can go through Jim Pattison Leasing) In the USA, I expect leasing terms to be shorter at about 48 months maximum and PROBABLY around $575 USD per month with a bigger buyout. Insurance in the USA will be highly state-dependent in terms of per-year cost. This Bronco is ONE of the vehicles I would probably do a long-term 3rd party lease over an outright purchase since you MIGHT be able to protect yourself against severe dealer markups! V
Huge miss with the new Bronco Raptor, powertrain wise, I would've preferred a hybrid setup if they weren't going to use a Coyote and only bumped it up to 3.0L from 2.7L! I'd take the Jeep Wrangler 392 any day or even the Jeep Wrangler 4xE! The power from the Bronco Raptor is more on par with the Jeep Wrangler 4xE anyway.
Any word from Ford if they are using the 10R60 or the 10R80? From what I have read the 10R60 in the regular Bronco is already close to the max working limit.
I have been stubbornly holding on to my love for 4Runner, but i'll admit, some extra power would be appreciated!.. I did supercharge my 4Runner TRD Off Road, which makes the power and torque figures better.. However, that was back before Bronco was unveiled, and before a V8 Wrangler, so there was less competition... I can't believe that the 4Runner is actually starting to show her age, in a bad way.... We need the 6th generation 4Runner to be competitive with Broncos (with Sasquatch package) and with new higher powered Wranglers... Toyota has the engines and technology to make the 4Runner very competitive, while retaining reliability.. Heck, just give it about 350hp, similar torque, and give us TRD models with front AND rear diff lockers, and a KDSS option .. I know this will make TRD trims more expensive, but it WILL sell. I never thought I'd see the day where i so much as consider buying a non Toyota 4x4, but Ford has my attention!!.... If Toyota doesn't announce a satisfactory 6th generation 4Runner, by late Spring, I'm getting the Bronco!.. I need a real body on frame 4x4 and don't like Jeep Wranglers, and not buying ANOTHER 5th generation 4Runner, so Ford has my attention.... I do like the look of and following development of the Ineos Grenadier, but not sure if it will be sold here in Canada. Sorry for the rant.. If you read this far, thank you for your interest! ❤xo
if its ifs, its not a 4x4.. even fab rats fitted an sas, to his tundra,tacoma. . id buy the jeep. wins allround. but, ill keep my ,cut to swb, f250 highboy. 1975.. 351c, 5sp. 4 w disc, lockers. dont need no more. std height. i left the johnses in the mall....
@@harrywalker5836 Wranglers aren't reliable, break down lots, and the 392 is ABSOLUTE trash for mileage... Pure trash.. The American way is just throw in bigger engines.. Ford is smart, because they understand that throwing in a V8 is a gimmick... Toyota understands that too.... I use my 4Runner for overlanding, so range is critical.. The Wrangler is a small vehicle, so the 392 is a useless gimmick.. Fuel economy actually matters, in big vehicles
To be honest I would straight away take the bronco. It looks very promising and besides jeep didn't really sell me on the 392 to begin with because they didn't market it too well and it's basically just what a bunch of owners and shops have done anyway because they were tired of waiting on a performance wrangler. Ford has actually marketed it very well and the sales numbers of the bronco in itself are actually insane. AND IT HAS RACING HARITAGE. Well done Ford.
You can market anything. But can you get it to customers? In fords case NO. An the people who have got them are having all kinds of issue's. So they need to stop marketing an make what customers they have left happy. I ordered one almost 2 years ago an still dont have it. Cancelled my order this week an heading to jeep
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Jeep has said the tow rating on the JLU is wheelbase limited, curious if they'll change that stance now that Ford has gone up. The 392 clearly has the motor for it, heck the Pentastar gets a higher tow rating in the Gladiator so it's not about power.
I remember back in the day when everyone was like "Ugh turbo V6 sounds like a sewing machine" now the same people are like "Screw that gas guzzling V8" they both get pretty close to the same mileage. Get what you're happy with. It's great to see this competition great job from both companies.
I really like that the jeep doesn’t have any drive boats I think jeeps are supposed to be bare-bones and simple leave all the complex technology headaches too the Ford
@@lifeoutdoors3953 I know it’s not and the bronco raptor has waaayyy to much tech that’s just going to get in the way when your really out there in the thick of it
I had the opportunity to put my money down on the Braptor coming to my closest dealership. I was all fired up! Then the manager said “There’s a $15,000 markup as well.” Like George Thorogood, out the door I went. I’ll stick with my Mojave.
prices are getting stupid. zero interest in either at 70k+. I have Wrangler Sahara with 3.5" lift and 35 inch Toyo AT3 and 22 rims for more like 55k all in. I'm not climbing rocks or a desert racer, just need good off road ability.
The biggest difference remains the IFS in the Bronco vs the solid front axle in the Jeep. For a purpose-built rig, the Jeep is the only way to go. For a capable daily driver, the Bronco wins hands down.
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Hey guys, a quick apology for an earlier error and a clarification regarding ground clearances (we'll have the error trimmed out of the video shortly - EXPAND for more details):
*An earlier version of the video incorrectly stated the Rubicon 392 Xtreme Recon Package's ground clearance as 11.1 inches - it's actually 12.9 inches, as we mentioned in previous Xtreme recon videos.
Here's how the two stack up by the numbers:
FORD BRONCO RAPTOR:
- Ground Clearance: 13.1 inches
- Approach Angle: 47.2 degrees
- Departure Angle: 40.5 degrees
- Breakover Angle: 30.8 degrees
- NO RTI SCORE YET
JEEP WRANGLER RUBICON 392 XTREME RECON:
- Ground Clearance: 12.9 inches
- Approach Angle: 46.7 degrees
- Departure Angle: 39.8 degrees
- Breakover Angle: 24.5 degrees
- RTI Score: 712
On paper, at least, the Bronco Raptor still comes out ahead in the measurements, but it's closer on ground clearance than the earlier portion of the video suggested. We apologize for the error and thank you for watching!
I was wondering about those figures when Andre was speaking. For all of the hype...to just be incrementally better than a 5 year old JL isn't all that, particularly given that massive changes in suspension and the 37s.
The Bronco Raptor is cool but i think the Jeep 392 ER is a monster!
I have been watching a few other channels showing the Bronco's off road ability. Several others have shown the weakness of the steering arms on the Bronco, with arms breaking and leaving the wheels with no steering control. The 37 inch tires will add additional stress. I hope Ford fixes this issue. The extra width and IFS make the Bronco better for fast runs though the desert. The solid front axle and smaller size makes the Jeep the better rock rig. Great to see the competition between manufacturers, but as others have mentioned, the prices are crazy. My choice is the Jeep.
I think this is why Jeep fought so long against going with such large diameter tires for years because of how stressful they are on control arms, bushings, tie rod ends, etc over the long term. I really hope Ford beefed up everything for 37s...
What is a steering arm 😂
The components are beefy. Same as the F150 Raptor.
@@tjnucnuc not even close to whats on a Raptor.
@@hellkitty1014 You have not even seen one in person ya melon.
A couple of things to note about the 3.0 EcoBoost. That engine family, the 2.7/3.0 Nano, was built from the ground up for forced induction. It has a compacted graphite iron block, like a diesel, and forged internals. Just like a diesel. This engine family was built to be stressed and abused. Also note that Ford is using the same turbos as what the 3.0 EcoBoost already came with but are upgrading the compressor wheels along with adding freer flowing piping and exhaust. That’s worth noting since the 3.0 EcoBoost in the Explorer ST makes 400hp and 415tq while being tuned to run on 87 octane, and I’d bet the Bronco Raptor 3.0 is going to be premium only. This engine is going to be making mid to high 400’s and even more torque 🤷🏻♂️
Good to know. Thx 👍
3.0 EcoBoost is a shit motor
Another Bronco version that will be nearly impossible to get? Ford should just focus on fulfilling existing orders.
Agreed!... I'm still waiting for my Badlands!
Kind of like the playstation 5 debacle. 1 year since the release date and still no ps5's. #epicfail What a time to be alive.
Agreed
Been waiting over 14 months for my badlands
W🥺W 14 months I would never have these problems because I don’t got any money
The one with a V8, a solid front axle, and two locking diffs.
The Bronco Raptor is a nice ride, but I’m more drawn to the Wrangler 392.
I think this just separated the Wrangler and Bronco. They are going for different types of off roading.
Yep and specs don't really matter. Jeep lovers will buy Jeeps and Bronco lovers will buy Broncos. Even if one is proven to be significantly better than the other the level of loyalty these products have far outweighs common sense. I personally won't be buying either because I would really have a hard time spending $80k for something that will eventually get damage.
False. LOTS of "Jeap guys/gals" are going Bronco
Considering they raced and won the stock class at king of the hammers. I think they are going for both the go fast and crawling crowd.
@@jacobforeman9916 they had portal axles on those that’ll probably be about $20K easily not including the suspension and shocks you’d need to run that portal drive hub.
@@jacobforeman9916 SWEPT,
At this point, the extreme recon package should come standard on the wrangler 392...
Why? Not everyone wants the mopar shocks, 35s, and 4.73 gearing , hinge gate should be though
@@ryanarchibald2907 because if you spending the money to get the over the top more than neccessary wrangler, you might as well get it all. Why would you not want it on the 392 wrangler? You want something more road biased than off road worthy? Well they have a supercharged ram for the same price and it has independent front suspension.
No matter what they build no matter what they bring to the table I AM A JEEP Guy always will be and no maker will out do the jeep name for me. I think there is a lot of people in my category of thinking more than any of you realize. Ford has always been in and out of this market where Jeep has held strong and will continue to make the performance we expect.
An expected and welcome addition to the Bronco lineup. Should be Ford's best contender to Jeep, but with Ford's ridiculous dealer markup I think it's going to end up being way more expensive than its competitors. We'll have to wait and see.
ugh Jeep dealers are marking up their hottest products too.
At least my local jeep dealers are.
Supply and demand dude.
Try to remember 2 1/2 years ago dealers had to give cars away to sell em.
392 wrangler msrp is 70 but good luck getting one for under 90k
@@devinbender8428 Chapman Jeep in Horsham PA is running 10% off MSRP on 392 orders.
@@shitloveaduck Been selling for 3 years now.
No one was happy when we sold em at zero profit or at a loss either 🤷♂️
At the end of the day no one is happy paying a ton of money for a car.
Just be glad if you got one within the last 10 years. You probably got the vehicle at cost or at a loss to the dealership.
@@nolanmonke4330 zero profit LMAO, funny salemen think that no knows about all the backend money
Hopefully Ford will make the interior quality better and it looks nice how they put leather on the dashboard.
Ford missed a branding opportunity. They should have called this the "Broncosaurus"!
No
Get out
Lmao
That's funny my Dad called our 66 bronco the Broncosaurus. I still have that Broncosaurus and will always have it. My FE is sitting right beside it and my Raptor should be one of the first to hit the rails. 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0. Lol
I know I'm in the minority, but after all of the hype, I'm slightly underwhelmed. I really thought they'd create a halo Bronco Raptor with at least the 3.5, or maybe even the Powerboost. But the Explorer engine just doesn't do it for me in this application. The Raptor may be every bit more capable than the 392 offroad, but the attitude of the JL elsewhere is superior. And why oh WHY is this thing heavier than a F150 Raptor!? I wouldn't be surprised if it is only about as fast as a 2.7.
With the aftermarket community creating more and more offerings for the Bronco, I'd just build my own Raptor if I were a Bronco guy.
i have an 82 bronco. just under 3t. std.. double panels & lots of furry stuffing.. there more of a luxury car,than jeep. id have the jeep. smaller,lighter more power 2 diffs. ford ifs is a killer for me. i put a d44 in mine. 4" lift. locker, d60 rear. &, im in aus.. i also have a s/duty, look these up.. 4.2tdi, MWM sprint. mines cab chassis [tray back ]. they have 510 nm std, 140 hp. yup pretty bad but theres no computer,no glow plugs, all mechanical. i fitted a t06 turbo. bit bigger. now has 700nm. 230hp.. 12.5 lt 100. on 35,s...3" lift..
the explore motor is proven very tuneable..and over 500 hp easy
Heading alone I can answer before watching this, because I have already watched your other video of the release on the Raptor Bronco. Ford F'd up on the engine choice, thus, the Jeep 392 wins this question hands down. I would not waste 1 penny on the Raptor Bronco. I would buy the 2.7 Bronco with the best off road package and be done with it. IF I want power from an off roader, the Jeep 392 would be the easy choice. ;)
Power to do what, though? Win a stoplight race? This Bronco would leave the 392 in the dust offroad in high speed situations. The Jeep would outcrawl the Bronco on rocks (slightly). So it totally depends what category means the most to you.
Question. Where is the vast majority of trails in the usa?
Mountain.
What happens in the mountains at elevation? N/A motors loose power.
At moab the bronco will have 400hp the jeep will be lucky to still have 300
I think jeep could do a first and give the wrangler 4 wheel steering with its solid axles front and rear.
Portal axles !!! 😁
I am NO Wrangler fan, but like your thinking 👍
More problems and more parts to break when off-roading
@@rayadorick it can be an option, it doesn't have to be standard.
@@lunamaria1048 ever seen or driven a lull? A setup like that for a wrangler would be cool. You could drive out of rough spots sideways like those crab walk hummers.
Bronco has cool stuff but I prefer wrangler 392 because of it's size and V8
Maybe the dumbest fender flares on a vehicle ever. So large, AutoZone would be embarrassed to sell them.
Talk to U.S. government then. Rules are rules
They are the ugliest flares yet. They make the Jeep Flares look downright elegant.
I’m not a jeep guy at all, but I’d take the wrangler over the bronco all day.
Based on what? ... a lack of common sense?
@UCEWI9JT6vBnwXqUjkdhXD1Q another casualty of the woefully inept US education system (he thinks what he said is clever to anybody above the age of 4)
Little butt hurt? It’s all joking pal, it’s only commie tube relax.
@@tipfro2 hold on to your donut cushion sumashetshee
I've seen them Bronco prices and you will be able to buy 2 392 for the price of 1 Bronco Raptor once Ford dealers begin to play the $100,000 market adjustment.
Andre it would be interesting to see a 35’s vs 37’s acceleration comparo with several different vehicles you have access to.
In this case a V8 engine would be crucial for me. Jeep! 🔥
I was initially a little bit harsh in my criticism of the Bronco Raptor, but I finally seeing the value in some areas. One area that wasn't covered in configurability was the ECU, FORSCAN puts this vehicle ahead by a large margin, possibly including the powertrain!
I have one on order. I am hoping it is, I have not driven one yet.
Wider wheelbase is not better for slow technical offroading. But it is better for Baja style offroading. These are two very different vehicles. Not that anyone cares in 2022 but ill bet the MPG is similar given the V6 vs the V8 with the weight differences. I’m a Jeep guy, but the bronco is pretty sweet.
I have a 392 and absolutely love it...miles of smiles. Width is a seriously big deal if you want to fit into your garage, go down a trail without scratching your paint to the metal, etc. I would own a Bronco, but the mark-ups makes those on the 392 look like child's play. The Bronco Raptor fender flares are FUGLY.
I would say the raptor but I'd go with the one that has the V8 👀
Nice, great coverage TFL of new Ford Bronco Raptor👍
Give me the Jeep all day and twice on Sunday. Only wish the interior was as nice as the Ford, it’s only slightly so.
Yay The Braptor is here!
Lol The ridiculousness of some of these vehicles is getting to be too much... 😄 And, I love it. 😆 Ok Jeep, now let's see a production version that Hellcat powered Wrangler from Moab a few years back. 😃🍿🤭
^of... More coffee please. 😄
It's 3:30 in the MORNING PACIFIC TIME !!!! Are we NUTS ????? ----- WHY are we all here at this time of the morning!
ANSWER? Cuz right after I take delivery of my Ford F150 Lightning, I'm getting this Bronco Raptor as my weekend warrior/long-distance off-road monster machine!
THIS IS AWESOME !!!!!!
Fantastic Job FORD! --- WELL DONE !!!!!
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Wonder how accessible the bronco raptor will be? Here's to hoping it won't be too limited of a run. Definitely will try to get one.
The gears in the Rubicon recon package are 456.
What gears are in the Bronco?
Jeep has lockers front and rear with a sway bar disconnect.
Does Bronco have lockers and a sway bar disconnect?
I’m confused by the roof on the 392… Is it the Sky One Touch or a standard hardtop painted to look like one?
Love that bronco raptor, but I cant left 392’s v8 behind
392 has quite a bit more HP so the wrangler will leave it behind
These vehicles are just too much. I think that my favorite off roader of them all is the wrangler in a spec similar to Tomy's. Small, lighweight and which loads of extra cash to burn in mods if thats your thing. Otherwise I am pretty sure that even as it is, due to the size and lightness it will go anywhere the bronco raptor and the xtreme reckon will, and maybe even someplaces more, where they would simply not fit.
You could make a badass Jeep Wrangler like Tommy’s on ton axles and 40s with any suspension you can imagine for cheaper than this. Yeah I’ll take the jeep
Not to mention the bronco fenders are hideous
Jeep is fiat crap. Better go with bronco 2 door
@@blueryxfalls7949 I’ll take my chances
@@blueryxfalls7949 you sure? Because I’ve wheeled my JL heavily off road consistently for four years and it hasn’t so much as hiccuped. These broncos are already having catastrophic issues just as people get their hands on them. I’d trust a Maserati fiat over any ford
@@SanctumOfDreams - His right though jeeps are junk. Everyone that I know had one has had issues with it. Like it or not this Bronco is light years ahead in every single way as far as performance off-roading. This will go 100mph through the desert and absorb jumps likes nothing. I don’t see an single area where the jeep wins. Maybe in availability.
best thing about the Bronco Raptor it hasn't been recalled like it's cousin the Bronco
Yet.
Their not selling it. YET. It might be 5 years before you can get the ugly thing if the other bronco are any indication.
Just my opinion, but i wish the "Great 4x4 War" would go in a different direction. I can't spend $80K on what is basically a status symbol.
Agreed. Wish we got the Suzuki Jimny. If that and similar came to US they would sell like hotcakes.
You don’t have to and never will have to
I like BOTH, but remain concerned that Ford is bringing great trucks & SUVs to the market while being unable to actually deliver within a reasonable timeframe (e.g. 90-120 days). Maverick, F-150 Tremor, Mach-e GT, & Bronco 2-door are all facing very long delivery ETAs.
Yep, I've order a 22 F350 6.7 Tremor Platinum Sept 1st last year, confirmed by Ford. Im still waiting....Ford bumped me to a priority #2 to earlier this month....there is a delay on the 5th wheel prep
Yep. I've been trying to buy an F350. No luck.
And fords reliability 👎
So Ford is the only manufacturer that is suffering supply chain issues? It is what it is.
@@fireant1272 I had a 2010 Focus and it was wonderful. Also, the F-150 has been a top seller for decades and people wouldn't buy them if there were serious reliability problems, as you suggest.
Hard miss not calling it the “wild stallion “.
Nah, it should have been the Braptor!
Reservation since July, order accepted October 14. Do I risk getting nothing if I change my Wildtrak order to Raptor and the dealer adds a huge markup? This is what has been rumored.
Why GM hasn’t got into this segment is beyond me! They need to bring back the real blazer and jimmy back to compete!
They should’ve called it the Pegasus. Now it’s a horse dinosaur mobile
The Jeep Wrangler 392 is beautiful in blue.
";-)
Bronco Raptor is a good daily drive compared to 392 which fails as an overlander
It be cool to see a drag test between, the 392, 4xe, and diesel Wrangler.
Those fenders on the bronco look awful. But I’ll be honest, this version of the Bronco is pretty good.
You say it can crawl, but being wider when your rock crawling isn’t great when you’re in tight spots.
Also the Jeep is so much easier to modify to do 7-10 rates trails. I’m not sure I’ll ever see a new bronco on Pritchett Canyon in Moab. But for the dunes I’m sure this bronco would be fun, but I’d take a 392 all day
Think about it this way: a Bronco can Baja, do some rock crawling and has great onroad manners, a Jeap can't Baja, rock crawls and is miserable on road ... the Bronco is better.
I truly wanted to want a new vehicle. I convinced myself to want a Manual transmission Sasquatch Bronco until I sat in one. Just to much computer and electronic nannies. I love my old YJ, so I looked at new Jeeps, and would have to cut the seat mounts and weld them together again like I did with my YJ. So I am redoing drive train on 1982 K10. If I absolutely had to get a new vehicle it would likely be the Jeep much like Tommy's, add a true locker rear axel.
You can’t get a Sasquatch manual so you didn’t sit in one.
@@brentvance3958 I read it as he wanted a Bronco with the manual transmission and the Sasquatch package until he sat in a Bronco. It may very well have been an automatic transmission in the one he sat in. Or maybe a manual Bronco that didn't have the Sasquatch package. Either way he didn't care for all of the electronic tech features.
@@brentvance3958 manual trucks are wack af anyways. I had a 10 speed auto pp mustang gt and manuals didn't stand A CHANCE. Manual is so hold and obsolete its like who cares anymore. Idk why people want manuals in jeeps and broncos anyways that shit is lame af for daily driving. I'd only do it for a renovated old school weekend drivers.
I love my Bronco and hated my 2 YJ’s, so there you go! lol 🤣😂🤣🐴🐴🥌🤟
@@thepavementendsnow1901 I hate my wranglers interior and lack of technology I'll definitely be on the bronco train as well soon!
I understand you’re doing a straight factory option comparison, but tires are interchangeable. The true comparison is with the same tires. A lot of those clearance numbers would change if you threw 37 KO2s on the Jeep as well, and they’ll clear with the X-Recon wheels. With the standard 392 wheels 37s hit the control arms at full turn. Full disclosure, I have a 392 so I’m biased.
And the 37s only account for half the difference in clearance.
I also don't forsee anyone going bigger than 37s with IFS on the Bronco whereas the Jeep has endless room to grow.
That extra weight comes in the form of a much beefier chassis and body structure, that's a good thing.
@tfloffroad So you said "before we talk about clearances and departure angles..." and then never covered them. Thankfully you posted the full chart at the end.
One thing you got wrong is the wrangler 392 doesn't have the 4:1 transfer case like the rest of the rubicons. That will change your crawl ratio number!
Man, those rear fender flares look terrible. Hopefully, the aftermarket will fix it.
Obviously the tires need to be covered, but those fender flares are hideous
l'll take the N/A 8 cylinder and front and rear solid axles any day , thank you.
I have two vehicles with the 5.7L in them, these V8 sound great, and have a lot of power, but as the price of gas goes up, keeping the tank filled is not that fun. I was paying 40-45 dollars to fille these up in Nov 2020, now its around 70-75 a week per vehicle.
Elections have consequences....
@@Bpf1893 I am with you on that. I voted for cheap gas and stores that are fully stocked, not a repeat of 1983 USSR.
You're not going to save much gas with a boosted engine thats trying to make the power of a larger NA engine.
FJB
You have great gas prices!.. Where I live in Canada i'm paying over $100 to fill a similar V8 sized SUV lol
In case anyone is wondering, the DRIVING RANGE of the Ford Bronco Raptor is 325 Miles (523 km) on a full tank of gas using the probable size of 20.8 Gallons tank that's on the REGULAR 4-door Bronco, so with TWO 20 gallon Jerry Cans attached to the back tailgate in a safety cage, you could get about 975 miles (1560 km) of driving range in good conditions and probably around 700 miles (1126 km) in horrendously bad weather off-road 4x4 conditions!
That makes this an IDEAL VEHICLE for long range off-road boondocking and overlanding!
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The turbo 3.0 v6 only gets 15.6 mpg at 5700lbs empty? If it’s estimated at 18 Highway and close to that city that is terrible. I’m not a fan of the Jeep but I believe their estimate is 17 Highway and 13 city. They are very close to one another in actual mileage. If someone wanted mileage they would just go with an EcoDiesel Jeep running around 25+. For reference I drive a 6400lb I6 landcruiser 80 that gets 14+ on 33 inch km3 with a 25 gallon tank.
Bronco Raptor is a very impressive machine. A lot of the suspension is upgraded with more flex built in. Much more useable as it can carry passengers and cargo comfortably.
Really cool vehicle but 'much more usable' goes out the window since it's 86 inches wide lol
The best part of this video is the running footage of the 392. Just like the “new” Raptor, Ford has let down its fan base. Don’t get me wrong I don’t hate the raptor or this bronco, but for me the TRX or 392 Jeep would be way more fun and rewarding to drive.
Have you driven either? 392 is just a great sounding Jeep that sucks more gas, sucks on the road, and can't tow anything more than any other wrangler (although it can tow the same things faster!). Besides the sound the Jeep makes, the Bronco is 10x more fun to drive in everything but a straight line drag race at a stop light and can do everything else as well and better than the 392 except crawl over 6 ft. boulders which none of you are going to do anyhow! The 392 does put a huge smile on your face when you give it the beans though. The acceleration is amazing and the Bronco can't come close to it in that department. Oh yeah, the 392 starts at $12K more than even a Raptor Bronco similarly equipped.
@@jg4719 - I honestly think this Raptor will have quicker acceleration times than the 392, it’s going to be pushing 400+ and I’m assuming torque will be more than 450 so all jeep has is sound? Big deal
@Marvin Headrick Think of it this way.. If you know how Ford does their Raptor lineups, then you know you should assume that Ford probably has a *Bronco Raptor R* in development!.. If they make the R, it will compete with the likes of the Wrangler 392.. However, to be VERY honest, the 392 has TERRIBLE TERRIBLE mileage and doesn't do anything that more practical Wranglers can't... I got to test the 392 with my husband, who is a journalist!
What is it you would like to see Ford do with the Bronco, to compete?
@@lunamaria1048 the Raptor version of both the F150 and this bronco are already priced almost equal to the TRX and the 392. Mileage aside (in my view) neither will be as enjoyable to drive as the Ram or Jeep, and that’s the whole point of these vehicles. So if the current Raptor variations are priced equal to (in my opinion) superior vehicles, when the R versions are finally released, they will compete well but their pricing will be a ridiculous amount beyond the competition.
I said that this was a let down because I know that (on the day the new Raptor was unveiled) people were very disappointed that it will get ate by the TRX. They wanted more power and didn’t get it. I also know that people are very disappointed that this bronco didn’t get, at least, the F150 Raptor engine.
@@marvinheadrick3511 I don't understand what the F150 Raptor or Ram TRX has to do with this mid sized SUV segment?.. The Ram and F150 are full sized pickup trucks.. The Bronco is a midsized SUV competing with others in it's class, like Wrangler and 4Runner.. Again, the 392 is a gas guzzling gimmick, because Ford caught Jeep with their pants down, sleeping on the job.. No mid sized SUV needs that type of power, and the 4Runner is proof.. Toyota and Ford are keeping things practical, as economical as possible, and also affordable.. Bigger engines mean bigger price tags... The 392 is quite expensive for a thirsty Wrangler.
The parent company that owns Jeep and Ram are lazy and answer everything with bigger engines that produce more power than anybody needs... I want innovation... Not 702 horse power
Great Review as usual Andre.
Good work Andre.
I'd def would go 392 rubicon. I'm not a fan of 37s, but who's to say I wouldn't want both. In some ways a bronco raptor can be more practical or less practical. They both already goof offroad like I could care less at this point.
392 all day. Who wants a performance vehicle that sounds like a vacuum cleaner😂
For size you should give points toward Jeep because size matter off road I can see now all those raptor bronco will lead to another closures of trails due to damage of the trails because they are wider which will lead to more trail damage.
Exactly
The 392 is crap besides the engine. I have a 4 door rubicon and it’s great, but the bronco raptor is better in every way! It’s so badass.
The Bronco is all Fox suspension? Even with all the Bilstein blue and yellow suspension components underneath.?
The crawl ration calculation is wrong. The Wrangler 392 only comes with a 2.72 ratio T-case. Thus the crawl ratios are quite similar. Regular Rubicons come with 4:1 ratio
Jeep needs to release that “Wrangler Rubicon 20”, which will be essentially a 392 on 37’s (factory warranty)
I just looked at leasing terms for F150 Platinums AND F150 Raptors and are now MINIMUM 5 year terms if you want the $700 CDN per month terms and a cheap buyout so I expect the numbers to be somewhat similar for the Ford Bronco Raptor. 3rd party Leasing is based upon MSRP and NOT dealer markup if you go through third party lease companies (i.e. here in Western Canada, we can go through Jim Pattison Leasing)
In the USA, I expect leasing terms to be shorter at about 48 months maximum and PROBABLY around $575 USD per month with a bigger buyout. Insurance in the USA will be highly state-dependent in terms of per-year cost. This Bronco is ONE of the vehicles I would probably do a long-term 3rd party lease over an outright purchase since you MIGHT be able to protect yourself against severe dealer markups!
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do you have outlets in australia. ?..
Huge miss with the new Bronco Raptor, powertrain wise, I would've preferred a hybrid setup if they weren't going to use a Coyote and only bumped it up to 3.0L from 2.7L! I'd take the Jeep Wrangler 392 any day or even the Jeep Wrangler 4xE! The power from the Bronco Raptor is more on par with the Jeep Wrangler 4xE anyway.
You do realize that V8s are on the endangered species list now right ?
100 Ho more than a 2.7 and $10,000 cheaper than a 392. I would still take a base Bronco with 35’s. $30k cheaper than both.
@@brentvance3958 💯 agree, base Bronco with a Sasquatch package👌
@@Matts000 Really???
@@brentvance3958 the Roush tuned Bronco puts out 400 HP from the 2.7L and is more than 10k cheaper than the Wrangler 392...maybe that's your Jam?
The name Bronco Raptor is kinda funny. Two animals in the name. A horse and a dinosaur. Lol
How’s the noise compare?
Can't wait to see this beast
Any word from Ford if they are using the 10R60 or the 10R80? From what I have read the 10R60 in the regular Bronco is already close to the max working limit.
I have been stubbornly holding on to my love for 4Runner, but i'll admit, some extra power would be appreciated!.. I did supercharge my 4Runner TRD Off Road, which makes the power and torque figures better.. However, that was back before Bronco was unveiled, and before a V8 Wrangler, so there was less competition... I can't believe that the 4Runner is actually starting to show her age, in a bad way.... We need the 6th generation 4Runner to be competitive with Broncos (with Sasquatch package) and with new higher powered Wranglers... Toyota has the engines and technology to make the 4Runner very competitive, while retaining reliability.. Heck, just give it about 350hp, similar torque, and give us TRD models with front AND rear diff lockers, and a KDSS option .. I know this will make TRD trims more expensive, but it WILL sell.
I never thought I'd see the day where i so much as consider buying a non Toyota 4x4, but Ford has my attention!!.... If Toyota doesn't announce a satisfactory 6th generation 4Runner, by late Spring, I'm getting the Bronco!.. I need a real body on frame 4x4 and don't like Jeep Wranglers, and not buying ANOTHER 5th generation 4Runner, so Ford has my attention.... I do like the look of and following development of the Ineos Grenadier, but not sure if it will be sold here in Canada.
Sorry for the rant.. If you read this far, thank you for your interest! ❤xo
if its ifs, its not a 4x4.. even fab rats fitted an sas, to his tundra,tacoma. . id buy the jeep. wins allround. but, ill keep my ,cut to swb, f250 highboy. 1975.. 351c, 5sp. 4 w disc, lockers. dont need no more. std height. i left the johnses in the mall....
@@harrywalker5836 Wranglers aren't reliable, break down lots, and the 392 is ABSOLUTE trash for mileage... Pure trash.. The American way is just throw in bigger engines.. Ford is smart, because they understand that throwing in a V8 is a gimmick... Toyota understands that too.... I use my 4Runner for overlanding, so range is critical.. The Wrangler is a small vehicle, so the 392 is a useless gimmick.. Fuel economy actually matters, in big vehicles
Great content, thanks for sharing!
Billy D
To be honest I would straight away take the bronco. It looks very promising and besides jeep didn't really sell me on the 392 to begin with because they didn't market it too well and it's basically just what a bunch of owners and shops have done anyway because they were tired of waiting on a performance wrangler. Ford has actually marketed it very well and the sales numbers of the bronco in itself are actually insane. AND IT HAS RACING HARITAGE. Well done Ford.
So you would take the bronco because you have see more ads for it?
You can market anything. But can you get it to customers? In fords case NO. An the people who have got them are having all kinds of issue's. So they need to stop marketing an make what customers they have left happy. I ordered one almost 2 years ago an still dont have it. Cancelled my order this week an heading to jeep
Footage of the Xtreme Recon 392 needs to be out front.
JEEP RUBICON 392!!! 💪🏻💪🏻
Jeep 392 is a last of breed collectable, Bronco Raptor is merely a capable gadget.
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I’m far from a Chrysler fan, but would not ever buy a turbo charged engine from ford!!!
2 different vehicles for different purposes. They aren't competition to each other.
Exactly. 392 is still a rock crawler compared to this
Yep someone gets it.
Jeep has said the tow rating on the JLU is wheelbase limited, curious if they'll change that stance now that Ford has gone up. The 392 clearly has the motor for it, heck the Pentastar gets a higher tow rating in the Gladiator so it's not about power.
The base bronco 7speeds crawler gear is a 94.75:1 if that’s what you’re into 😎
That what I said.. I may not have 400hp, but my 2.3 Manny, can out crawl the Raptor...🤣
I remember back in the day when everyone was like "Ugh turbo V6 sounds like a sewing machine" now the same people are like "Screw that gas guzzling V8" they both get pretty close to the same mileage. Get what you're happy with. It's great to see this competition great job from both companies.
Bro they should have just put the 5.0 in it
on paper, the bronco is better but the V8 in the 392 is 100x more important so that easily gets the win IMHO
The Bronco is amazing. It’s so fun to drive.
Dodge-" v8 everything"
Ford- "Ecoboost"
Surprisingly it seems the interior upgrade outshines the exterior.
I really like that the jeep doesn’t have any drive boats I think jeeps are supposed to be bare-bones and simple leave all the complex technology headaches too the Ford
It’s not more capable than a jeep lol hilarious
@@lifeoutdoors3953 I know it’s not and the bronco raptor has waaayyy to much tech that’s just going to get in the way when your really out there in the thick of it
@@blakemarchand6650 I think I commented on your post when I meant to on another sorry bout that lol. I agree
With those numbers it sounds perfect 👌🏿 for some rock crawling at sand Hollow State Park , so tired of seeing Moab
I had the opportunity to put my money down on the Braptor coming to my closest dealership. I was all fired up! Then the manager said “There’s a $15,000 markup as well.”
Like George Thorogood, out the door I went. I’ll stick with my Mojave.
The bronco raptor looks sick!!! I hoping that it will be released in july
Yes. It should go on sale in summer 2022.
@@TFLoffroad Great News
Would love to know if Ford did anything to beef up steering in the Raptor version?
Look at those pictures of the suspension its 100% upgraded in the front
prices are getting stupid. zero interest in either at 70k+. I have Wrangler Sahara with 3.5" lift and 35 inch Toyo AT3 and 22 rims for more like 55k all in. I'm not climbing rocks or a desert racer, just need good off road ability.
The V6 IFS Bronco is 5700lbs without options? Holy moly that's a big girl
If ford put a v8 in the raptor bronco it would be on par but without a v8 it just lacks big old time
Suggestion: you should test the VW Syncro. I seen pretty cool things with it and I think you guys would enjoy testing it
The biggest difference remains the IFS in the Bronco vs the solid front axle in the Jeep. For a purpose-built rig, the Jeep is the only way to go. For a capable daily driver, the Bronco wins hands down.
I mean ford dealers will mark up the price by at least 100%
They're selling Sasquatch pkgs for $60-80K now, I can only imagine when this thing comes out and IF a buyer will ever actually get it.