ahahahahahaha -- the catholics were the first ones to translate the letters the way THEY wanted it to be - and they worship a Women - a joke being played on Jehovah - Jesus's father -- and Jesus was surely no Elephant - he was a what ? ! - The Living Word - Colossians 1:14-16 -- 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for through him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; - read my response to this - Translations of the deteriorated letters have been ALTERED -- by MEN ! ! - those WTs are doing a really bad job they have been given - but what can be expected from Primadonna men - in an Ivory tower - with all the food and amenities they can stand - and Jesus is GODS SON - NOT God - what and the world ? ? ?
@@tongakhan230 I'm not referring to the verse...... I'm just telling the truth as a Greek...... The New Testament reveals to us that Jesus Christ is the Yahweh of the Old Testament....... (unless an American publishing company changes the translation)............🙂
@@enoughisenough2696 : If that was the case, how is it that Jesus didn't know that he was God? He told the Jews: (John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD. If I hear something from my wife, can I be my own wife? Would that even make any sense? John 1:1 is ' and the Word was a god'. Meaning Jesus was a mighty being WITH God. Namely an angel. But no longer was an angel while in earth (Philippians 2:7, John 1:14). That is how they managed to kill Jesus. 'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1L5,13. I'm sure Paul was clear. Jesus was chosen from among the angels. See Hebrews 1:9.
@@tongakhan230 Oh dear Mr Wronga Tonga, let us see what the Greek says and not what you think it says. I asked you this morning for the names of the people who worked on the NWT Translating Committee. I also asked for their qualifications in Greek and Hebrew. Please be a good chap and get those names for me please. All your understanding for the bible comes from translators whom you appear not to know. Be like the Bereans and check everything. That includes all the names of the Translators for the NWT.
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, ' is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
Jesus is also worshipped forever in that book as prophesized in Daniel. I understand all the verses that show Jesus praying to the Father and receiving authority from the Father, but that is consistent with orthodox Trinitrarian doctrine. We believe Jesus is begotten, not made, and shares the same nature with the father. I don't understand how worship of Jesus in the Bible doesn't seem to be consistent with the first commandment and Deuteronomy 6 if the Father and Son do not share the same nature. That was supposed to have been settled in the 4th century when they had a council about this controversy.
@@pamelasloan1664 The Holy Spirit should have been. So you think all the 1st, 2nd and 3rd century Christians (along with all the churches who followed what that council decided for thousands of years) all got it wrong? And a group of people in Brooklyn in the 1950s who predicted the end of the world incorrectly a bunch of times got it right? God’s revelation is meant for all and He gave us His spirit to understand it. If no one knew what He meant until JW came about in the 1950s, His word would wasn’t very effective. The Bible has Jesus sharing God’s nature, forgiving sins, being worshipped and served forever in eternal dominion, participating in creation, being better than angels, having authority to replace OT commands, having divine powers, making all things new, and judging the living and the dead. If that is not a picture of Yahweh/Jehovah then I don’t know what is.
@@genotriana3882 let's face facts not all on that council agreed, those that didn't were put out, so there was no complete agreement and since that period of time down to today do you think the they have done a good job in representing God's words with wars genocide, rape, immorality, worship of idols etc etc etc etc I dare you to show me one period of time they were not heavily involved in politics sending troops to war even though Catholic were fighting Catholic I'm sure Jesus would have wept with shame at what organised religion was doing to his people at lest the Jws even though not perfect do try and live there lives according to Jesus example
I would say the Jehovah's Witness purpose is not one of salvation but to prove Jesus isn't God and he really isn't important. I find that interesting since Jesus will be the one judging everyone someday.
@@Doris1888 He’s Gods son but he is not God…but he pretty much is like 2nd in command, he’s Lord & we worship him…I have been studying with the JW’s & Jesus is very important, close all prayers thru him…
If I were satan the devil I would demote and give a false title to that one that I despise and he who defeated me, I would disguise myself as an angel of light and make many follow me, I would replace Yeshua with a new mediator that I control (governing body), I would call them the JWs.. a name that is man made but excepted to them.. I will make them do works and never rest, I would keep those scales over their eyes and fill them with fear, they will be mine and will go down with me..
Also, as in Isaiah 44: 6 .... " I am the first and the last; beside me there is no God." Other verses state there are no other God's. So then their John 1:1 makes Jesus a false God. The answer I get to that is, that is how people talked back then and they even called angels gods. So then I want to know, is this book God's Word or is it man's? ..... this distortion of God's word also helps "prove" their Jesus is Michael lie. I just pray for opened eyes from the Holy Spirit. Amen.
@@tongakhan230 men create gods.. the gods that men create only have the power man gives them. God gave us his Word. It is not man's view of God. It is God's view of man. He had men write it down so we could have it and use it. It is not men's words. Either it is all the truth or it isn't.
@@amandasaunders3493 : That is not the answer relevant to my question. If there are no other gods, what was God commanding at Exodus 20:3? There are other gods. Jesus is one. Satan is one. It just means mighty beings. God commands that these other gods should NOT BE WORSHIPED. Jehovah ALONE deserves our worship. (Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and IT IS TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’” Jesus too worshiped Jehovah, the ONLY TRUE GOD (john 17:3).
@@tongakhan230 I'm sorry you have been mislead by men. Read the Bible. On your own. It is all you need to know the message God wants us to know. Accept Jesus as your saviour and receive the holy spirit.
@@amandasaunders3493 G'day Amanda, Tonga Khan is revealing his Polytheism. Its technical name is Henotheism Mr Khan has to believe in more than 1 God as the Watchtower believe Jesus is a God also. Mr Khan is definitely not a Monotheist like yourself. Mr Khan goes around saying he follows 1 God and there is 1 God, yet REALLY believes there are many Gods. The Old Wolf in Sheep's clothing. To put it more bluntly, Mr Khan will say "I believe in 1 God, but really when pushed I believe in many Gods, but I only follow 1 God, but when pushed I believe in 2 Gods ie Jesus (a God) and Jehovah (a God). Great work by the way with your apologetic statements. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Pastor Boone does a good job refuting the cult of JW. Might I add: This is Jehovah (ESV) Isaiah 48:12 “Listen to me, O Jacob,and Israel, whom I called!I am he; I am the first,and I am the last. 13 My hand laid the foundation of the earth,and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together. And this is Jehovah Isaiah 41:4 Who has performed and done this,calling the generations from the beginning? I,the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he. Now, who is this in Revelation 1:17 ? When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last" Gee, it cant be Jehovah, cause no one can see Jehovah- right? Oh - one more question, when did Jehovah die? Revelation of Jesus Christ 1:18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades My answer to you : This is my Jesus, the one I walk with, He is Jehovah in the flesh.
Iam an exJW the JW Watchtower org adopted the "a god" translation from a spirit medium named Johannes Greber who got his translation from communication with spirits who revealed to him that "a god" translation and WT used his translation and inserted it into their NWT bible
Jesus is a Begotten God. John 1:18 Berean Literal Bible No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known. NASB 1977 No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. Legacy Standard Bible No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. Amplified Bible No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father]. Aramaic Bible in Plain English No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.” revealed him. Literal Standard Version No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father-He has expounded [Him]. New King James Version No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [h]Son , who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. Check out the footnote [h] h. John 1:18 NU God
Altar and Pillar! Isaiah 19:19 Revelation 5:5 The Great Pyramid points Astronomically North. Jesus is the true light. John 1:9 The true light that gives light to every sort of man was about to come into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know* him. The Word Became Flesh! The promise was made to Abraham before Judah was even born and Jesus was even born. But Jesus was the Word in the Flesh, In the beginning of this promise. Genesis 18:1 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. 3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. Genesis 18:17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him. John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God. 55 Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar. But I do know him and am observing his word. 56 Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.
The Word became flesh! God is the only One who can accurately describe Himself as “I AM.” Jesus claimed the title I AM for Himself in John 8:58. But Jesus the Word was standing there In The Beginning with Abraham when the promise was made to Abraham. No man has seen the God of Abraham YHVH. Yehovah The promise was made to Abraham before Judah was even born and Jesus was even born. Jesus as a god or lord walked the earth. Genesis 18:1 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. 3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. Genesis 18:17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him. John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God. 55 Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar. But I do know him and am observing his word. 56 Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.
@jahambassador I urge you to research Johannes Greber the defrocked former Catholic priest turned spirit medium and his spirit interpreted version of John 1:1 found in WT NWT bible....he also authored a book called "Communication with the spirit world of god"
BOY -- satan surely has you people Blinded - READ -- John 5:19 -- Jesus replied, “The Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing, and in the same way. -- What has you so Blinded if not satan -- John 5:39-44 -- Jesus said -- 39 “You search the Scriptures, for you believe they give you eternal life. And the Scriptures point to me! 40 Yet you won’t come to me so that I can give you this life eternal! - 41-42 “Your approval or disapproval means nothing to me, for as I know so well, you don’t have God’s love within you. 43 I know, because I have come to you representing my Father and you refuse to welcome me, though you readily enough receive those who aren’t sent from him, but represent only themselves! 44 No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the only True God! -- READ -- John 20:17 - Jesus said -- “Don’t touch me,” he cautioned, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them that I ascend to my Father and your Father, my God and your God.” -- What and the world is WRONG with you so-called people -- Jehovah did not make Jesus an Elephant - he didn't need one on that day - Colossians 1:14-16 -- 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for through him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; - You better STOP letting that Demon TRICK you -- Genesis 3:13 -- Then the Lord God asked the woman, “How could you do such a thing?” “The serpent tricked me,” she replied. -- Psalm 91:1 -- We live within the shadow of the Almighty One , sheltered by the God who is above all gods. Jehovah is his name -- Exodus 6:2-3 - I am JEHOVAH , the ALMIGHTY ONE - who appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob-though I did not reveal my name, Jehovah, to them. - I have dozens more that tell of Jesus's Father - How does satan BLIND so EASILY -- You people are surely No bible students - and I am No WT person - that's watch tower follower - I am of another Flock - One that has NO religion - Mark 14:56 - Many false witnesses volunteered, but they contradicted each other. ---- 1 Corinthians 9:17 -- If I were volunteering my services of my own free will, then the Lord would give me a special reward; but that is not the situation, for God has picked me out and given me this sacred trust, and I have no choice. -- and this is what JEHOVAH says -- 2 Timothy 3:13 -- In fact, evil men and false teachers will become worse and worse, deceiving many, they themselves having been deceived by Satan. - Hear me -- RELIGIONS - are the enemies of mankind - The DITCH that you people have FALLEN into - Will REQUIRE a MIGHTY HAND to Lift you out - Joel 2:12 -- This is what JEHOVAH says -- “Turn to me now, while there is time. Give me all your hearts. Come with fasting, ------- WAKE UP -------- - Revelation 6:4 -- This time a red horse rode out. Its rider was given a long sword and the authority to banish peace and bring anarchy to the earth; war and killing broke out everywhere. -- NONE are so Blind -- as those who REFUSE to SEE ! ! -- 1 Timothy 2:5 -- That God is on one side and all the people on the other side, and Christ Jesus, himself man, is between them to bring them together, -- John 14:6 -- Jesus told him, “I am the Way-yes, and the Truth and the Life. No one can get to the Father except by means of me.
bOY THERE IS A LOT OF INTELLECTUAL PEOPLE WHO CANT AGRRE ON SOMETHING SO SIMPLE. LOOKING FOR 1WORD TRANSLATION AND CLEARLY MISSING THE POINT. I Have always liked this scripture :Matew 11 verse 25 jesus says in a prayer to his father: I Publicly praise you, Father Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children'' . If you dont have a humble heart you will look for a reason not to serve God; and used all king of stumbling block to do so, instead of accepting the ensemble of the scriptures , to figure out the puzzle.
If they do not get to you in these days - it will be after death that you too - will be trained correctly -- Good Luck - Keep praying for More insight - and Help -- It is the GOOD NEWS of JESUS ! ! ! - If you claim a religion - do you mind if I know which one it is -------------- HERE is what Jesus says ------------ Jeremiah 6:21 - I will make an obstacle course of the pathway of my people; fathers and sons shall be frustrated; neighbors and friends shall collapse together. -- Daniel 2:22 -- He reveals profound mysteries beyond man’s understanding. He knows all hidden things, for he is light, and darkness is no obstacle to him. - I am one who has no religion - I am of Another Flock !
Isn't it apparent. To keep their 'Jesus is God' theory afloat they need some 'proof'. So these fiddle around with the grammar of John 1:1 and there they have it! Jesus WAS God. Which backfires because Jesus no longer IS God according to that nonsensical translation. John himself testifies. (John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the SON OF GOD.” Every other verse backfires on the 'Jesus is God' theory too.
By the way God's name is JEHOVAH. it is writtened 7000 times in the original text. Jesus who was borned to mary a virgin was conceived by the power of God: The holy spirit: which God use as his power. An angel told mary and joseph to name their child Jesus . before he was borned nobody knew that name but for thousands of years God's servants knew that God's name was JEHOVAH
WELL -- That is his English translated name -- Watch Tower people had Nothing to do with it -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale - Free masons demons are hiding in watch tower teachings - FACT !
@@FantasyVisuals -- uneducated - nobody has even asked - ahahahahahaha -- my thesis is going fairly well thank you - and i don't use the NWT - not at all - I use all the others - the KJV being the one I use the least - and as for Jesus being God - the Son of God - being his own Father - I would have to discuss what satan has done to you people - Marked you with the mark of the beast he has -- sorry for your loss my unseen acquaintance - You have been Tricked -- Genesis 3:13 -- “The serpent tricked me,” she replied.
@@user-du7pe6pm7d Oh friend. The Name jehovah eas invented four centuries before the KJV was written and the KJ says Jesus is God as did Jesus himself. Now run along and play will you ?
it is because Jehovah is the Almighty God. Jesus is His Son ang Jesus was with Jehovah when Jehovah created the earth. Jesus was the Word, meaning He is not the Creator but the Doer of what Jehovah intended to create. That is why Jesus is not as powerful as Jehovah. We also love Jesus that is why we follow what His ministry has taught us. I know you have read the Bible and I know that you knew many times Jesus always adore His Father. He always showed respect to Jehovah at all times. He never said that He is greater than His Father. He kept on saying that His Father sent him to be our savior. That the Father is greater than Him. If you really believe Jesus Christ then why can't you believe what he had said. We are not perfect, even the witnesses have committed mistakes but a true worshipper of Jehovah as the Almighty God and to His begotten Son Jesus Christ, Jehovah's witnesses always do their best not only to preach the gospel but also to show love to mankind.
Matthew 11:25-27 --- 25 And Jesus prayed this prayer to His father : “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding the truth from those who think themselves so wise, and for revealing it to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for it pleased you to do it this way! . . . -- 27 “Everything has been entrusted to me by my Father. Only the Father knows the Son, and the Father is known only by the Son and by those to whom the Son reveals him. -- Exodus 34:14 -- For you must worship no other gods, but only Jehovah, for he is a God who claims absolute loyalty and exclusive devotion. -- YOU PEOPLE CAN WORSHIP JESUS IF YOU LIKE -- Even HE - WORSHIPS his FATHER -- THIS IS HIS WORDS ------ Luke 18:19 -- “Do you realize what you are saying when you call me ‘good’?” Jesus asked him. “Only Jehovah is truly good, and no one else. -- old satan -- and his religious slaves - they even Changed the letters to a different Scenario -- satan is surely a good TRICKSTER ! -- Genesis 3:13 -- Then the Almighty God asked the woman, “How could you do such a thing?” “The serpent tricked me,” she replied.
Yeah lol, Satan is best trickster for sure hahaha. Now tell me about 1914 and overlapping generations hahahaha, what a joke. Read Matthew 1:1-17 what generation really is, but read it from King James, real Gods Word and not NWT that your org changing every 3 years
Luke 18:19 Jesus was challenging the religious leader to wake up and understand the truth that stood right in front of him. If he was calling Jesus "good," then he must come to understand that Jesus is God and not play religious games, but truly come to believe. Jesus wasn't denying that he is God; Jesus was affirming that he is God and that man truly needs to acknowledge that he is. Eternal questions are not simply religious speculation, but the core questions of the human soul. Only God can answer those questions. So if this man was going to ask Jesus this question, he needed to pay attention and place his faith in Jesus' answer. This actually confirms Jesus is God.
@@wfqsfg ahahahahahah --- NO IT DOES NOT -- John 5:19 -- Jesus replied, “The Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing, and in the same way. - simple minded people refuse the bible Teachings - and replace it with their own silly understandings - EW - EW !
Jesus is the head of the true congregation of Jehovah God! YHVH Yehovah Jehovah! The Apostle Paul was in a Cult! Paul worshiped the God of Abraham! During his trial before Felix, Paul said, “I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect” (Acts 24:14). We are also told that Felix knew about the Way (verse 22). It seems that the Romans considered the Way to be a sect rather than a religion. Mark 9:38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Revelation 2:23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
There ya go praying to saints and Mary when you should be praying to the Father like Jesus, the greatest teacher that we ever had did. I never heard of him praying to his Mother, or the Angels. So why are you??
The JWs may have changed their New World Translation because in John 1:2 they now have all things created written like this. " The Word was used by God to create all other things" NWT John 1:2
@@Doris1888 : That wasn't the question. How can God command that there should not be any other gods besides him in worship if there are no other gods. Jesus called Jehovah the ONLY TRUE GOD at John 17:3. The term god refers to mighty beings (cf Psalms 82:1,6). Talking about human Judges who have authority over people's lives. Satan is a god (2 Corinthians 4:4). Jesus was a god (John 1:1) and now he is a mighty god (Isaiah 9:6, Philippians 2:9). The important thing is that these other gods SHOULD NOT BE WORSHIPED. Read Jesus' words to Satan on WHO ONLY SHOULD BE WORSHIPED. Matthew 4:10. It is Jehovah.
In John 1:3 didn't the NWT add [Other] to the scripture? All [other] things were made. There are numerous scriptures in the NWT with [ ] brackets added with words to change the context or meaning
The brackets are inserted to make sense. There is no direct word to word translations of the Greek. No one will know what the scripture says if a word to word translation is given. All things were created THROUGH Jesus. Someone may ask, "Did Jesus create himself?" Logically, it means all OTHER things. The writers of the Gospel accounts also used brackets to give meaning. See Matthew 24:15
@@tongakhan230 no they aren’t. That’s the Watchtower excuse. They’re intended to change the context and meaning of scriptures to line up with the Watchtower doctrine. Jesus didn’t create Himself because he always existed. He is God. He created all things. The universe.
@@wfqsfg : From when did Jesus become God? Even he didn't know such a thing. He told the Jews: (John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD. If I hear something from my wife, can I be my wife? Here are Jesus own words to show that couldn't have created anything. John 530 I CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING OF MY OWN INITIATIVE. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. Of course, if one claims to know better than Jesus, then how can anyone argue with that.
@@tongakhan230 From when did Jesus become God? Uh, um uh, hmmmm, uh um, uh, lets see, uh um. If He is God from when do you think?? No too bright?? John 1:1 In the beginning was the Logos, the Logos was with God, the Logos was God.
@@wfqsfg : That biased translation of John 1:1 tells us that Jesus (the Logos) was WITH God at some point in time. And that Jesus WAS God. Which would indicate that Jesus no longer is God. WAS is the past tense of IS. Wouldn't make any sense, would it. Here is how John 1:1 is properly translated. (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 'WAS a god' means was a mighty being. Like an ANGEL. Certainly cannot be God himself. If I was at the opening ceremony of the Stadium WITH my mother, logically, I cannot be my own mother, can I. Here is a simple unambiguous scripture, scientific in essence, which clearly shows that Jesus never was God. 'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Jesus certainly was SEEN.
@@tongakhan230 As I said throughout the Bible God has revealed who he is Father Son Holy Spirit one eternal spirit 3 distinct persons so no God is not talking to himself / Father is talking to the Son and Holy Spirit
@@petersmith2870 : The Bible tells us to whom God was speaking. Can one show me where it says God was talking to himself - which BTW which is a medical disorder.
@@tongakhan230 Repent from YOUR sins humble yourself before a Holy God the only way is through Jesus Christ you see Jesus said he is only way this only way to eternal life Jesus said no sinner will inherit the kingdom of God unless you repent and believe be born again through the Holy Spirit and He will make you new / Watchtower teach you get a second chance if you die in your Sins well your being decieved Jesus said if you die in your Sins you will be in eternal condemnation/ don't message me you Reject Jesus/ as I said Bible says Let no man teach you you have to go Directly to Jesus Christ
@LTL307God the Son in the flesh is saying to love YHWH (God) trinatarians don't disagree with this. You need to let go of this hybrid name Jehovah that the Spanish Catholic monk raymunus martini made up. It's a made up name not even a proper translation. He made it up by combining YHWH with Adonai and Elohim. So it's a hybrid name - blasphemy!
the word is jesus , jesus is the first born son of God all you have to do is go to verse 14 of john1 to learn '' and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory as the only begotten from the father , full of grace and truth'' also who was jesus praying when he was on earth Himslef, and why did he atributed his miracels to God, also why in Luke chap4 would the devil show all the kingdom of the earth to Jesus saying if you make an adoration before me I will give you all these kingdom because they were given to me (Clearly by God) and i give them to whoever i chose; now the devil knows who God is ,in job chapter 1 he actually enters in a meeting of God with his Angels, so why would he propose to jesus the kingdom of the earth if Jesus is God, do you realy think the devil is an idiot proposing to God to kneel in front of him, when it was God who had given the kingdom of the earth to Satan. If you believe in the trinity which was invented by the catholic church between the 3rd and 4th century, you probably have a cofusion problem you might think that jesus is part of a trinity.The trinity does not exist in the bible it is an invention of the devil the father of lies.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the messengers [of God] said he at any time, you are my Son, This day I have begotten you [again]? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? 6} And when He [resurrects to] bring the firstborn again into the inhabitable world He said, And let all the messengers of God worship him. 7 And of the messengers [of God] He said, “Who makes His messengers winds, And His ministers flames of fire?: 8 but to the Son He [The Father] said, Your throne, [Ho Theos] “The Almighty God,” is forever and ever; And the Scepter of good works is the Scepter of your kingdom. 9 you have agape loved [legal] works of the law, and hated works against law; Therefore God, your [Father] God, has anointed you [as The Christ] with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
The word was a god has to be the right translation otherwise the rest of John doesn't make sense. A little further on in that same chapter of John it says NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AND LIVED. How can Jesus be God? He is the Son of God not God himself.
It doesn't say, "No man has seen God and lived," it says, "No one has seen God at any time,"-no exceptions. So explain Exo 24:10 and Isa 6:1 to me. Remember, John doesn't give an exception even for visions. So explain.
Hi Kevin from Canada. I don't understand what you mean when you saythat John doesn't make exceptions about 'seeing' Jehovah? The book of Revelation was written by John and its all visionary as are the 2 scriptures you mention. Jehovah hid Moses in rocks so that His glory could pass over Moses that is as much 'reality' as he could stand. Maybe l've missed your point? Ket me know. Thanks.
You made the point that no one has seen God, then asked how could Jesus be God. I pointed out that John makes no exceptions for visions, but is emphatic: No one has seen God at any time. Yet the OT says that God has been seen. JW's usually try to say that those were visionary experiences. I don't buy that they were all visionary but that doesn't matter for the argument. John doesn't allow for the exception of visions in his statement. So either John was wrong, or he isn't meaning that no one has seen God in the same way that JW's use this verse. What do you think?
The Lords prayer also proves Jesus is not God. Notice his first words about how to prayer to God .... *"Our* Father..." Jesus included himself in how to address God. God is his Father too... John 20:17 New Living Translation 17“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, *‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”* Jesus said those words *after* his resurrection back to life. Therefore he was no longer human at that point.
@@srich7503 Jesus said he was separate from God and supported by him. Jesus used the Mosaic law to prove it... Deuteronomy 19:15 English Standard Version *“A single witness shall not suffice against a person* for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. *Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses* shall a charge be established. John 5:31 New International Version *31“If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 32There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true.* John 8:16-18 New International Version 16But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. *I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses* is true. *18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”* When a person has a mug shot/photo when taken in custody - They get 3 sides - Left, facing, Right. Does that make them 3 in 1 or the same person? Jesus DISTINCTLY separated himself from God, his Father. And that was why he prayed to him - The Son needed his father's support. Luke 22:41-44 New Living Translation 41He walked away, about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed, *42“Father,* if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. *Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” 43Then an angel from heaven appeared and strengthened him.* 44He prayed more fervently, and he was in such agony of spirit that his sweat fell to the ground like great drops of blood.e Hebrews 5:7 New Living Translation *While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers* and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. *And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for God.* The bible makes it VERY clear that Jehovah and Jesus are Father and Son...not 3 intertwined mystical beings. John 17:3 New Living Translation And this is the way to have eternal life- *to know you, the only true God,* and *Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.* Matthew 3:16,17 New Living Translation 16After his baptism, as *Jesus came up out of the water,* the heavens were openedg and he saw *the Spirit of God descending like a dove* and settling on him. 17And a *voice from heaven said, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.”* *Notice all 3 are mentioned separately:* 1) Jesus on earth as a human 2) God in heaven speaking to his Son... 3) Holy spirit coming down in the appearance of a dove... And in Lukes account it adds the added detail that Jesus was praying. Who's he praying to if he is God? Well God was in heaven... *so Jesus was obviously praying to his Father,* not a version of himself. *God acknowledged Jesus as his Son.* Luke 3:21,22 New Living Translation The Baptism of Jesus 21One day when the crowds were being baptized, *Jesus himself was baptized. As he was praying,* the heavens opened, *22and the Holy Spirit, in bodily form, descended on him like a dove.* And a *voice from heaven said, “You are my dearly loved Son,* and you bring me great joy.g”
@@srich7503 Also, *it was ones who opposed Jesus that said that he claimed to be God. Jesus himself said he was God's Son* and was following his Father's instructions... John 10:22-25, 31-33, 36,37 New Living Translation *Jesus Claims to Be the Son of God* 22It was now winter, and Jesus was in Jerusalem at the time of Hanukkah, the Festival of Dedication. 23He was in the Temple, walking through the section known as Solomon’s Colonnade. 24The people surrounded him and asked, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.” 25Jesus replied, “I have already told you, and you don’t believe me. The proof is the work I do in my Father’s name. 31Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. *32Jesus said, “At my Father’s direction I have done many good works.* For which one are you going to stone me?” 33They replied, “We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! *You, a mere man, claim to be God.”* *36why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’?* After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world. 37Don’t believe me unless I carry out my Father’s work. The Trinity is nowhere in Scripture and therefore is not a belief I need to understand. In fact, it cannot be understood because it's not from God...
@mo2874 Have to understand the difference between WHAT is God and WHO is God. The WHAT was revealed in the Old Testament (Watchtower gets this right): - the one divine being revealed to Moses (I AM), - the God of Abraham, - YHWH, - or Jehovah. WHO God is, was revealed in the New Testament: - three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Question: Why did the Jews want to kill Jesus?
@@TruthHasSpoken As to *what* and *who* God is... Isaiah 44:6 New Living Translation 6This is what the LORD says-Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD of Heaven’s Armies: *“I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.* John 4:24 New Living Translation *For God is Spirit,* so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” Genesis 18:25 New Living Translation Surely you wouldn’t do such a thing, destroying the righteous along with the wicked. Why, you would be treating the righteous and the wicked exactly the same! Surely you wouldn’t do that! *Should not the Judge of all the earth do what is right?”* Revelation 4:11 New Living Translation “You are worthy, O Lord our God, to receive glory and honor and power. *For you created all things, and they exist because you created what you pleased.”* Psalms 83:18 King James Bible That men may know that thou, *whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.* Psalms 97:9 American Standard Version For thou, *Jehovah, art most high above all the earth: Thou art exalted far above all gods.*
Marketplace is to do with commerce. Wouldn't it be the churches that are involved in it? JWs literature which they print at their own cost is given FREE. Obeying Jesus' words: Matthew 10:8....You received free, give free.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : Initially it was subsidized by requesting a contribution from the householder. Those who couldn't give a cash contribution gave some produce from their gardens. The publisher (JW) had to pay out of his own pocket for the printing costs. Now it is totally free. All printed using voluntary donations and Witnesses working without a salary. The website is available in over 1,000 languages. All downloads are FREE. No monetary subscriptions or adverts anywhere to raise money.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : If one knows how much it costs to print and distribute literature, one wouldn't be asking such a question. JWs are Jesus only Disciples on earth today. They follow Jesus' command. Matthew 10:8....You received free, give free. How can giving something FREE make a profit?
The following verses are self-explanatory: Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist. Mark 10:18 ► “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone.
@@FantasyVisualsThat's not the correct translation. Oxford professor and famous trinitarian Bible translator, Dr. James Moffatt, has been described as “probably the greatest biblical scholar of our day.” His respected Bible translation renders Heb. 1:8 as: “God is thy throne for ever and ever.” University of Cambridge professor and noted New Testament language scholar, Dr. C. F. D. Moule writes that Heb. 1:8 may be “construed so as to mean Thy throne is God” - p. 32, An Idiom Book of New Testament Greek, Cambridge University Press, 1990 printing. An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed), renders it: “God is your throne....” And The Bible in Living English (Byington) reads: “God is your throne....” Another world-acclaimed scholar of trinitarian Christendom has translated this verse similarly and made some interesting comments. Trinitarian Dr. William Barclay, “world-renowned Scottish New Testament interpreter, was noted as a profound scholar and a writer of extraordinary gifts .... He was the minister of Trinity Church, Renfrew, Scotland, and, later, Professor of Divinity and Biblical Criticism at the University of Glasgow.” Dr. Barclay, in his translation of the New Testament, has also rendered Hebrews 1:8 as : “God is your throne for ever and ever.” But worse yet (for those wishing for evidence of a trinity from the Book of Hebrews), Dr. Barclay comments as follows: “The letter [of Hebrews] was written to a Church which had had great days and great teachers and leaders.” - p. 6. “Moreover, it was obviously written to a scholarly group [who] ... had long been under instruction and were preparing themselves to become teachers of the Christian faith.” - p. 7. And just what was this passage that includes Heb. 1:8 (Heb. 1:4-14) intended to prove to this group of long-term dedicated Christian scholars? “[The author] is concerned to prove [Jesus’] SUPERIORITY OVER THE ANGELS.” - p. 16, The Letter to the Hebrews, Revised Edition, 1976, The Westminster Press. Yes, this world-acclaimed trinitarian scholar has (perhaps inadvertently) illuminated the truth of the doctrine of God which was understood by first-century Christians! They had absolutely no concept of the 3-in-one God idea which was developed in later centuries (see the HIST study). IF these learned 1st century Christians had really considered Jesus “equally God” (as 4th century Christendom began doing), it certainly would have been nonsensical for the writer of Hebrews to attempt to prove that Jesus was superior to all other angels!
If the Son was the firstborn of all creations, then it means the Son was CREATED first. God can't be created. God is eternal. So the Son can't be God in this case. I'm not a JW but I also have doubts about the Trinity doctrine. One God, the Father (YHWH), one Lord (Jesus). I think in this case the God is above the Lord which means the Father is above the Son. The Son is divine, but the Son is not God, the Son is the Lord, the second most power being in the universe.
@@Sean-gio2 firstborn doesn't mean created . I'm sorry it's beyond your limited understanding. Jesus created ALL things - so let's look at genesis 1:1 " . In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ". It's not hard . You believe he's created if you want , fair play to you. But Jesus says different. Keep calling him a liar 🐍
@@FantasyVisuals How does Genesis 1:1 indicate Jesus is God? If firstborn does not mean created, then what is it? Doesn't firstborn mean the first one to be born? God can't be born, He has no beginning or end, He is eternal. Your explanation is farfetched. I'm not calling Jesus liar or anything, I respect Jesus as the Messiah and Lord. But I'm just skeptical of the Trinity. All I can see is that Jesus assisted God during the creation of everything else but he is not equal with God Himself. Also, I think we are discussing a theological topic. Saying "sorry it's beyond your limited understanding" and "keep calling him liar" to other people is rude and a personal attack. Especially your own explanation makes no sense. Discussing doesn't mean you have to be rude. I hope you can understand.
The context clearly shows The Word is God's direct Son from heaven... John chapter 1 is showing Jesus identity....he wasn't just some random guy, *he was the Messiah. The Messiah was identified at his baptism...* John 1:1,14,15,29-31 New Living Translation Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word 1In the beginning the Word already existed. *The Word was with God,* and the Word was God. *14So the Word became humand and made his home among us.* He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.e *And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.* 15John testified about him when he shouted to the crowds, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘Someone is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’” Jesus, the Lamb of God 29The next day *John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30He is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘A man is coming after me who is far greater than I am,* for he existed long before me.’ *31I did not recognize him as the Messiah, but I have been baptizing with water so that he might be revealed to Israel.”* 32Then John testified, “I saw the Holy Spirit descending like a dove from heaven and resting upon him. 33I didn’t know he was the one, *but when God sent me to baptize with water, he told me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34I saw this happen to Jesus, so I testify that he is the Chosen One of God.l”* **So God sent John the baptiser ahead of Jesus in order to publicly identify him as the Son of man/Messiah at his baptism.** The bible clearly goes on to show that Jesus fulfilled Daniel 7. **The Son of man had to go to heaven at some point before God himself...** Daniel 7:13,14 Amplified Bible *The Son of Man Presented* 13“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, [c] *on the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.* *14“And to Him (the Messiah) was given dominion (supreme authority), Glory and a kingdom,* That all the peoples, nations, and speakers of every language Should serve and worship Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed. **Notice that the "Son of man"/The Messiah/Jesus is presented in heaven to someone older and greater than him....the Ancient of Days.** Mark 14:61,62 New Living Translation 61But Jesus was silent and made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, *“Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”* *62Jesus said, “I Am.* i And *you will see the Son of Man seated in the place of power at God’s right hand* j and coming on the clouds of heaven.k” After his death and resurrection there are 10+ Scriptures showing Jesus as separate to his father in heaven. Jesus at this point was no longer human. *Jesus also said he had a God, and again this was after his resurrection...* John 20:17,27,28 New Living Translation 17“Don’t cling to me,” *Jesus said,* “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, *‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”* Mark 16:19 New Living Translation When the *Lord Jesus had finished talking with them, he was taken up into heaven and sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand.* Luke 22:69 New Living Translation But from now on *the Son of Man will be seated in the place of power at God’s right hand.”* Acts 2:33 New Living Translation *Now he is exalted to the place of highest honor in heaven, at God’s right hand.* And the Father, as he had promised, gave him the Holy Spirit to pour out upon us, just as you see and hear today. Acts 7:55 New Living Translation But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed steadily into heaven and saw the glory of God, *and he saw Jesus standing in the place of honor at God’s right hand.* Jesus destroys all Gods enemies at some point after his resurrection back to heaven. Notice he is referred to as *the Word* again...but this time in heaven and after his resurrection... Revelation 19:10-16 New Living Translation 10Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers and sistersc who testify about their faith in Jesus. Worship only God. For the essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus.d” *The Rider on the White Horse* *11Then I saw heaven opened,* and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war. 12His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself. 13He wore a robe dipped in blood, *and his title was the Word of God.* 14The armies of heaven, dressed in the finest of pure white linen, followed him on white horses. 15From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress. 16On his robe at his thighe was written this title: King of all kings and Lord of all lords. Not only this but the rulership God gave him in Daniel 7 is returned to God when he had accomplished destroying God's enemies and restoring mankind to a perfect relationship with God. So Jesus rules mankind on behalf of God/his father for a short time. *Jesus unites mankind back to their heavenly Father God. It's like a close family living together in a home. Once this is accomplished Jesus steps back.* 1 Timothy 2:5 New Living Translation For, There is one God and *one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity-the man Christ Jesus.* 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 New Living Translation *24After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet.* 26And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”e *(Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.* Revelation 21:3,4 New Living Translation 3I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, *“Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.a 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain.* All these things are gone forever.” As Gods own Son, the only one directly created by God himself, Jesus is correctly *a God* ...just like the young of any being/creature is an offspring (The young of a Lion is *A cub* , The young of a human is *A baby* etc) John 10:31-39 New Living Translation 31Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. 32Jesus said, “At my Father’s direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?” 33They replied, *“We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God.”* 34Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scripturese that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’f 35And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’ *36why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.* 37Don’t believe me unless I carry out my Father’s work. Jesus never claimed to be God, he said God was his Father and he was his Son.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Most Translations say that...but that doesn't work contextually. It's clear by looking at the entire bible that verse is purposely mistranslated... To demonstrate, try and reconcile these Scriptures: Now notice the contradiction in John 1:1 and 1:14,18 New King James Version 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, *and the Word was God.* *14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld* His glory, the glory as of *the only begotten of the Father,* full of grace and truth. *18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [h]Son, who is in the bosom of the Father,* He has declared Him. John 6:45-47 New International Version 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ d *Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.* 47Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. Amplified Bible *Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He [who was with the Father and] who is from God; He [alone] has seen the Father.* 1 John 4:12 Amplified Bible *No one has seen God at any time.* But if we love one another [with unselfish concern], God abides in us, and His love [the love that is His essence abides in us and] is completed and perfected in us. John 20:17 Amplified Bible *Jesus said to her,* “Do not hold Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and tell them, *‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”* 1 John 4:14 New Living Translation Furthermore, *we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son* to be the Savior of the world. So has anyone seen God? Yes...ONLY the one who came from heaven, Jesus (God's son who was with his Father). So could Jesus be God on earth if people saw him? No. When Jesus died who brought Jesus back to life? And to whom did Jesus go back to? Romans 8:11 New Living Translation The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. *And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead,* he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you. Acts 2:24 New International Version *But God raised him from the dead,* freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. Acts 10:40 New Living Translation but *God raised him to life on the third day. Then God allowed him to appear,* 1 Peter 1:21 New Living Translation Through Christ you have come to trust in God. And you have placed your faith and hope in *God because he raised Christ from the dead* and gave him great glory. 1 Corinthians 6:14 New Living Translation And *God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.* 2 Corinthians 4:14 New Living Translation We know that *God, who raised the Lord Jesus,* will also raise us with Jesus and present us to himself together with you. Colossians 2:12 New Living Translation For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of *God, who raised Christ from the dead.* Ephesians 1:20 New International Version he exerted *when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand* in the heavenly realms, So after his death, resurrection and return to heaven...where is Jesus in relation to God? At his right hand.... Mark 16:19 New Living Translation When the Lord Jesus had finished talking with them, *he was taken up into heaven and sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand.* 1 Peter 3:22 New Living Translation Now *Christ has gone to heaven. He is seated in the place of honor next to God,* and all the angels and authorities and powers accept his authority.
You're attempting to snow me with a lot of verses because you can't deal with the context of John 1. In John 1, John is stating that the Word is eternal (already existing when the beginning took place), the Word is distinct from God (the Word was with God), and the Word is identified as God (the Word was God). How can the Word be distinct from God and be God at the same time? Because God subsists in more than one person. The Word equals God. God does not equal the Word, because God equals the Father, the Son (the Word), and the Holy Spirit. John understood that, which is why he wrote John 1:1 to express that idea. Most translations say, "the Word was God," because that's what the Greek says.
No one has seen God in his fullness, in his essence at anytime-including angels! The reason the Son has seen God is because he is God, the second person of the triune God. But people have seen God when he has condescended to allow people to see him (Exo 24:10, Isa 6:1, etc.). Tell me, did the religious leaders crucify the invisible man, or did they see Jesus?
Theology comes from combining two Greek words: theos, meaning God, and logos, meaning word or rational thought. [The Word is Elohim from Genesis 1] (not to be confused with Yahweh Elohim from Genesis 2) Compare John 1: 1-5 with Genesis 1: 1-5: John 1: 1-5 Names of God Bible The Word Becomes Human 1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was already with God in the beginning. 3 Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him. 4 He was the source of life, and that life was the light for humanity. 5 The light shines in the dark, and the dark has never extinguished it. Genesis 1: 1-5 Names of God Bible The Creation 1 In the beginning Elohim created heaven and earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Ruach Elohim was hovering over the water. 3 Then Elohim said, “Let there be light!” So there was light. 4 Elohim saw the light was good. So Elohim separated the light from the darkness. 5 Elohim named the light day, and the darkness he named night. There was evening, then morning-the first day.
I am no greek scholar either but how can the Word be God if he is WITH God? It doesnt make sense. Also the title Father Son denote two separate, unequal individuals. Surely this is common sense. I have never read in the NT 'God the Son' it is always written as 'Son of God' Jesus is always given authority whether in heaven or on earth....given various names higher than the angels.....subjects himself to his God and Father...... what am I misreading or understanding here? Trinity is a man made theory which does nothing but confuse and mislead ppl.
The Trinity doctrine was given to us by the Holy Spirit as was the Bible itself and was promulgated by the same Catholic/Orthodox bishops… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503 Thank you for your informative reply. All I can say is from the time of Moses scrolls were written. Jesus himself said John 17v17 Gods word is truth. of course there was the great apostasy when the ppl were in the grip of the latin catholic church. Only the reformation and guys like Luther and Wesley gave ppl a chance to read in their own language. Scholars have since seen many spurious texts and frankly the only religions I know of who worship triune gods were Egyptians Babylonians. Somehow, your Church Fathers decided to incorporate this false teaching. I think at that time it was Constantine who was basically pagan & last minute converted to 'Christianity' to appease most of his domain he included summer soltice/saternalia into the christian theology. Anyway, at the end of the day, we each make our own choices on the matter and pray that the Father will draw us to His Son John6v43-47 agape
@@meisie62 if “thats all you can say” then so be it but history dont lie yet ppl do and you have been duped… If you want to continue believing myths thats on you but you might want to look int actual history like what i posted above and the following facts that dispute your claim about what the Catholic church allowed as to the Bible not only being translated into the common languages well before your claim but some of those that did are considered saints in the church… Other than Jerome’s Latin Vulgate in 385, there was also these- 680 - Caedmon of Whitby, known for the earliest “old english” interpretation (in part) of the scriptures. He is listed as a saint in the church. 700 - Aldhelm [Eadhelm] bishop of Sherborne, another saint of the church, published the Psalms in old english 710 - Guthlac, hermit near Peterborough 735 - Venerable Bede’s work 820 - Bishop Egbert 864 - Saints Cyril and Methodius (Slavic complete ??) 880 - Saint King Alfred the Great partial work 1002 - Archbishop Ælfric 1186 - Miroslav Gospel (Siberian) 1335 - The Royal Tetraevangelia (Bulgarian 4 gospels)
" how can the Word be God if he is WITH God?" Have to understand the difference between WHAT is God and WHO is God. The WHAT was revealed in the Old Testament (Watchtower gets this right): - the one divine being revealed to Moses (I AM), - the God of Abraham, - YHWH, - or Jehovah. WHO God is, was revealed in the New Testament: - three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Comparatively, one would say, “what meisie62 is a human being, and who meisie62 is one person.” "Also the title Father Son denote two separate, unequal individuals. " Sonship is speaking in part, to having the same nature, Divine. Just as meisie62 - assuming you have a son or daughter, they are of the same nature as you, human. "subjects himself to his God and Father." He is in one will with the father. "Trinity is a man made theory" It is implicit, not explicit in scripture. Question: WHY did the Jews want to kill Jesus?
LET me REPEAT myself for those of you who are thinking so loud you can Not read ------- John 5:19 -- Jesus replied, “The Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing, and in the same way. --------- the WHIRLWIND is here ------------- JEHOVAH COMES -------------- GET THEE PREPARED -------- and I am one who does Not belong to that watch tower ------------------- I am of Another Flock -
MANY people on Earth Believed Jesus is God. FEW people on Earth Believed Jesus in NOT God. Then Jesus said: Mat 7:22-23 "MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Jer 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. Question: Who are those people that will be SLAIN by God, the MANY or the FEW ? Where do you belong ? Isa 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and FEW men left. Question: Who are those FEW ?
"MANY people on Earth Believed Jesus is God. FEW people on Earth Believed Jesus in NOT God." *The truth differs. According to "Statista" a company specializing in global data and statistics :* ONLY 31% of the world is Christian (relatively few) Which means 69% is non Christian (the many) *According to Pew Research, another statistics company, the data says* ONLY 32% (rounding up) of the world is Christian (relatively few) Which means 68% is non Christian (the many) So, WHO are the few? Answer is : Christians.
You are twisting the words of your own religion to falsely twist them to place in usage upon individuals, that you have probably never met face to face with. Though you say your words can define their word.
Watchtowers Kingdom Interlinear translates John 1:1 perfectly. No "a god." Watchtower says of the Interlinear: *_“a very literal, word-for-word rendering of what the Greek actually says according to the basic meaning and grammatical form of each word. This enables even students who cannot read Greek to find out what is actually in the original Greek text”_* (Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 610).
(John 10:31-36) Once again the Jews picked up stones to stone him. 32 Jesus replied to them: “I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?” 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came-and yet the scripture cannot be nullified- 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Jesus refers to Psalms 82 and asks if mighty humans are called gods what was wrong with he claiming to be God's SON. NOT GOD. John 1:1 'and the Word was a god' is the correct translation. It is talking about Jesus' pre-human existence while he was WITH God. This same mighty being is the one whom God SENT to become the human Messiah. (Galatians 4:4).
@LTL307 : Jesus' answer to Satan also clearly shows that Jesus was not God. When asked by Satan to do an act or worship to him, which would have derailed God's purpose: (Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and IT IS TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’” Jesus was quoting from the Law. The 'to HIM alone' is obviously about a third person and not Jesus.
Jesus is The Way to Almighty God YHVH Yehovah Jehovah The God of Abraham! The Apostle Paul was in a Cult! Paul worshiped the God of Abraham! During his trial before Felix, Paul said, “I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect” (Acts 24:14). We are also told that Felix knew about the Way (verse 22). It seems that the Romans considered the Way to be a sect rather than a religion. Mark 9:38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Revelation 2:23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
@PunkDogCreations Sect or cult, is there a difference! Are Jehovah’s Witnesses the synagogue of Satan! Do they represent the House of David! Revelation 3:9 Look! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are [Christians]Jews yet are not, but are lying-look! I will make them come and bow before your feet and make them know that I have loved you. 10 Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth. 11 I am coming quickly. Keep holding fast to what you have, so that no one may take your crown. 12 “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the churches.’
@PunkDogCreations Those Who Worship the God of Abraham! YHVH! Yehovah! Jehovah! There was only one true Faith. Paul was in the sect The Way. Paul worshiped the God of Abraham! Revelation 2:2 ‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot tolerate bad men, and that you put to the test those who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them to be liars. Revelation 2:6 Still, you do have this in your favor: that you hate the deeds of the sect of Nic·o·laʹus, which I also hate. Revelation 2:15 In the same way, you also have those adhering to the teaching of the sect of Nic·o·laʹus. 16 So repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war against them with the long sword of my mouth. The Legend of the Sword! The Ice Age and The Great Sword How about the myth of King Arthur after The Roman Empire made Christianity the State Religion. By using their image the Cross and Trinity teaching. Which is sun, moon and star worship. Revelation 17:17 The skies became darkened. In AD 539, the first of three massive volcanic eruptions ushered in a ice age. It coincided with an epidemic of the plague, the decline of the eastern Roman Empire, and sweeping upheavals across Eurasia. The 2nd seal of Revelation 6:5 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say: “Come!” 4 Another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword. 🗡 With the land bridge frozen to the Americas. Britain became the 7th Kingdom of Revelation. So what year did this Kingdom become the Wild Beast with two horns. The false prophet and wild beast arrived with the Great War of 1914. Revelation 13:11
True! The MANY who claim to be Christian are workers of lawlessness according to Jesus (Matt 7:23). It is only the FEW who would be doing God's Will (vs 21). Compare Matt 7:13,14.
@@tongakhan230 tks for yr answer. John5v42,43 Jesus comes in Yahweh's name not his own name. So I wonder whether it is more accurate to come in the name of Jehovah/YHWH/Yahweh than Jesus. Re Mat 7v21,22.....is a warning? John 17v3 He says to 'know God & his Son Christ for everlasting life'. I think this is the problem they don't really get to know who exactly the Father is....the focus is mainly on the Son. Obviously very important as our salvation lies with Him but overall all creation whether angelic or human ultimately belong to the Almighty Father Yahweh. what do you think?
@@meisie62 : Isaiah 43:10 is about Jehovah's Witnesses. They declare God's ONENESS as the prophecy makes out. The fact there is only a people known by the name Jehovah and not by Yahweh makes it obvious that God has no problem with that form of his name. There is only ONE God. The Father. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually TO US ONE GOD, THE FATHER, from whom all things are and we for him; AND there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, Jesus is the one God SENT from heaven (Galatians 4:4). Namely, an angel. That is why he is called a SON of God (compare Job 1:6). 'and the Word (Jesus) WAS a god' is the correct translation of John 1:1. Angels are mighty beings. Jesus is very important to True Christians. However, they only worship Jehovah, the God Jesus too worshiped. (Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’”
Sacrifice is pagan. Gods are pagan. Spiritual beings are pagan. What isn't pagan? The "pagan" claim is a way for JWs to shut down conversation so they don't have to look at what the Bible teaches. It allows them to shut their brain off and let the GB fill it with whatever nonsense they desire.
The Trinity doctrine was given to us by the Holy Spirit as was the Bible itself and was promulgated by the same Catholic/Orthodox bishops… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Jim, how can this be deceptive? This is the reason given on the official Jehovah's Witness website. www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/bible-verses/john-1-1/ "Fact: While many Bible translators render the verse this way, others see the need to render it differently. In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different. In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence." Please state why you feel the best way to translate John 1:1 as "a god" if not for grammatical reasons.
@@hambdencongregationalchurc737 Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was. Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks ...When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like
@@hambdencongregationalchurc737 In English that is not good grammar and makes no sense.................Now in Koine Greek there is NO indefinite article, that is the word "A" however the context and the fact that John uses Theos in connection with Jesus and "Ho-theos" in connection with his father Jehovah shows that John was not identifying WHO the word was but rather WHAT the word was
@@hambdencongregationalchurc737 The reason why Jesus is "a god" is because that is what he is "A GOD" You have to understand that in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days ! And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ? To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking) 1 God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods* he judges: And Vs 6 “I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " ! Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ? So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son?
JW's teach there is no hell but the following proves differently. Jesus Himself Speaks About Hell And How Not To Go There: In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus describes a rich man that lived lavishly and a poor beggar man named Lazarus. It came to pass that Lazarus died and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom. The rich man died, was buried, then went to hell. 23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in TORMENT, saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented IN THIS FLAME. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received good things, and likewise Lazarus received evil things, but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they which would pass from hence to you can not, neither can they pass to us, and would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray you therefore father, that you would send him to my father’s house. 28 For I have 5 brothers that he may testify unto them, lest also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay father Abraham, but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.” LOCATION OF HELL: Jesus said in Matthew 12:40, ”For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH.” Paul said in Ephesians 4:9, ”Now that he ascended, was it but that he also DESCENDED into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.” HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE: Jesus said in Luke 16:24,”….Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue for I am TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME.” Jesus said in Matthew 13:42,”And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE, there shall be WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” Jesus said in Matthew 25:41,”Then shall he also say to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.” Jesus said in Revelation 20:15,”And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.” HELL IS A PLACE OF TORMENT: Jesus said in Luke 16:23,”And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENT….” 24 …..for I am TORMENTED in this flame.” Jesus said in Revelation 14:11,”And the smoke of their TORMENT ascended up FOR EVER AND EVER, and they have no rest day or night….” Jesus said in Mark 9:45-46,”And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off, it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED. 46 Where their WORM DIES NOT, and the fire is not quenched.” Note that it doesn’t say “THE Worm”, it says “THEIR WORM” dies not. Jesus said in Revelation 21:8,”But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, which is the second death.” Note that Brimstone is Sulfur and burns with a very strong odor of rotten eggs. The scriptures above prove when a person goes to hell they will constantly see hell, constantly smell hell, constantly feel the heat of hell, will constantly breath hell, will constantly hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth of others in hell, will constantly be aware of their own worms, they will have no rest day or night, there is no way out and it will continue for ever and ever, they can’t die because they are already dead. The following is how to not go there and it is a SIMPLE AND EASY thing to do: All of the book of Acts is what Jesus disciples said what we must to be SAVED - meaning not go to hell, which is repentance, water baptism in Jesus NAME, (Not the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) and being baptized with the Holy Ghost. Jesus said in Mark 16:16,"He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be SAVED, but he that believes not shall be damned." At about that same time He said in Matthew 28:19,"Go therefore and teach all nations BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name and not name's) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost." Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Jesus disciples never used those words when they baptized anyone in water, nor did they use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. Every time they invoked Jesus NAME at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. Jesus said in John 3:3-7,"Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man BE BORN AGAIN, he can not see the kingdom of God. 5 Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 7 Marvel not that I say unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN." Being born of water is being baptized in water which is for the REMISSION OF SINS - meaning the INITIAL remission of sins and not the confessing of sins later addressed in 1 John 1:9. Being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost. What being baptized with the Holy Ghost means is addressed in Acts 2:3-4, (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5 - which is when the Spirit of Christ initially dwells in a person. Nowhere in Scripture does it say it happens any other way than that way. There is not one Scripture that says a person receives the Holy Ghost just because they are a believer. Acts 19:1-5 is a good example. Paul said in Romans 8:9-11,”But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, HE IS NONE OF HIS." Numbers 23:19, ”God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent, has he said and shall he not do it? And shall he not make it good?” Malachi 3:6,”For I am the Lord, I change not...” Hebrews 13:8,”Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” That means there is no reason to think that Jesus will make an exception and save someone that has not been baptized in water in Jesus NAME, and has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost. Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not baptized yet Jesus told him he would be in paradise with him that day. Jesus had not given the COMMANDMENT to be baptized in HIS NAME until after he had risen from the dead and before he ascended into heaven. The thief on the cross could not have been baptized because he did not know about it. if you do what Jesus said above in Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:19, and John 3:3-7, you will be making SURE your name is Written In Lamb's Book Of Life. If you are convinced you need to get baptized in water in Jesus Name do a search and type in "United Pentecostal Church International", scroll down to just below the red box, type in your zip code, a screen will show a Church near you that will do that. Jesus said John 10:27, ”My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
I wonder if they had a telephone between heaven and hell to speak. Can a drop of water on a finger reduce flames. It would be soaked up and dissolved in a second. This is symbolic friend. Hell is the grave of mankind, nobody wants to go there...none of us want to die we want to live.
Discussing John 1: 1 with Witnesses is difficult. Better to discuss Isaiah 6 in light of John 12, using Watchtower's New World Translation. Isaiah 6 is Isaiah's vision of Jehovah on his throne. Witnesses will agree with this. John though attributes Isaiah’s vision to Isaiah having seen Jesus. Jesus is the HIM, HE, HIS below. The authorities feared the Pharisees because they believed Jesus was God. The authorities would not have feared the Pharisees for believing in Watchtower's Jehovah God, nor would they have feared getting kicked out of the temple. John's whole point is Jesus IS God, the God Isaiah saw. 36 ... When JESUS had said this, HE departed and hid himself from them. 37 Though HE had done so many signs before them, yet they did not believe in HIM; 38 it was that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed our report, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” 39 Therefore they could not believe. For Isaiah again said, 40 “HE has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart lest they should see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and turn for me to heal them.” 41 Isaiah said this because he saw HIS glory and spoke of HIM. 42 Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in HIM, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
@@tongakhan230 "No Jew would believe a human can be God" Prior to Christ this was true. Then a great number of Jews converted to Christianity, believing Jesus was God. Note, you did not explain why it is John attributes who Isaiah saw to his having seen Jesus. John is making the point, Jesus is God.
@@TruthHasSpoken : This may help. Words of John the Baptist (a Jew) who was the promised Elijah (Malachi 4:5). Matthew 11:2 But John, having heard in jail about the works of the Christ, sent his disciples 3 to ask him: “Are you the Coming One, or are we to expect A DIFFERENT ONE?” Could DIFFERENT ONE refer to the ONLY TRUE GOD, or to someone God would SEND? Here are Jesus' own words to show he was NOT THE SENDER, who was God. (John 4:34) Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of HIM WHO SENT ME and to finish HIS WORK. Ever heard of an ENVOY Someone who is SENT by an Authority to carry out that Authority's instructions. Jesus is always show by God's SIDE. Never as God himself. Acts 7:55 But he (ie. Stephen), being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING AT God’s right hand, If there seems to be some scripture which contradicts Jesus' words, please let me know.
@@tongakhan230 You still have not addressed why John attributes who Isaiah saw as Jesus. Let's recap 1. Isaiah 6 - Isaiah sees who? Answer: Jehovah 2. John 12 - John attributes who Isaiah saw ... to seeing Jesus. 3. the authorities would NOT have feared the Pharisees for believing in Jehovah. 4. The authorities would not have feared getting kicked out of the synagogue for believing in Jehovah. 5. Rather, they feared because they believed in Jesus. Question: Who raised the body of Jesus, an act that ONLY God can do?? "Jesus STANDING AT God’s right hand," Note, the verse never states Jesus is too, not God. Read a few verses further. _59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”_ Stephen prayed to Jesus. Question: Do you pray to Jesus?
@@TruthHasSpoken : WHAT!!!! Stephen prayed to Jesus? Was he a Christian or a Trinitarian? Acts 7:59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Luke 23:42 Then he (the man dying alongside Jesus) said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” Does one know the difference of what making a request FROM and praying TO is? Still waiting for an answer. I've been given enough of tours of unrelated incidents. How is God's holy spirit God HIMSELF. Is Tommy's book, Tommy himself? Or something that belongs to Tommy. How does God distribute himself among humans?
Other Bibles That Render John 1:1c "a god" The NWT is not the only Bible to render John 1:1c as "a god". Actually, there are many Bibles that render John 1:1 as "a God" or it's equivalent: 1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text. 1864: “and a god was the word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson. 1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel. 1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. 1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme. 1958: “and the Word was a God.” The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek. 1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz. 1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider. Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3. Origen's Commentary on John is "the first great work of Christian interpretation." Origen was certainly the most knowledgeable about NT (koine) Greek of any scholar. He studied it from early childhood and even taught it professionally from his teens onward. And this was during a time when it was a living language and, of course, well understood. - The Ante-Nicene Fathers, pp. 291-294, vol. X, Eerdmans Publ., 1990 printing.
they just want to hammer JW and the NWT. In fact it has been noted that it is an excellent translation easily understood. Prof Beduhn had it noted...boy did he get flack!
Here is Jesus Christ quoting the Messianic Psalm 2 about someone other than himself: . Revelation 2:26-27 And to him that conquers and observes my deeds down to the end I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he shall shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels ** THE SAME ** as I have received from my Father . A man with THE SAME authority as Jesus Christ! . . Therefore Jesus Christ is not the Almighty God. . The Trinity mathematics does not work if you put faith in what Jesus Christ said! . . Read Psalm 2 and convince yourself that it is about a king! .
You have to understand that in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days ! And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ? To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking) 1 God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods* he judges: And Vs 6 “I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " ! Did you know Moses too was called
5000 other Greek manuscripts say "and the Word was God". That's a ratio of 5000 to 1. That means I win the argument D C1 Also the NT was originally written in Greek, so if some other language gets it wrong, it got it wrong. Therefore you are wrong D C1
@@RowanTasmanian nope, again, you are wrong. BE HONEST once in your life. Does the KOINE GREEK contains INDEFINITE ARTICLES? ZERO, NONE., so you cannot find indefinite articles to the thousands of GREEK manuscripts as the language DOES NOT HAVE indefinite articles. ALL Bible translators ADD indefinite articles in English. Now, the SAHIDIC COPTIC TEXT has indefinite articles and it says A god in John 1:1. so are you RACIST TOO as if you think the Christians who are NON-GREEK cannot be trusted for the manuscripts given to them by God and early Christians?
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 You wouldn't know an indefinite article if it was the size of the Sydney Opera house. You cannot read, write or speak Greek. Again my little unlearned friend, who are the translators of the NWT that have a working knowledge of Koine Greek. Name them, as you always quote their nonsense. What are their names ? also my little unlearned friend, please quote me where I implied "you think the Christians who are NON-GREEK cannot be trusted for the manuscripts given to them by God and early Christians?" Give me the quote. so scurry off my little unlearned friend and get me those translators names of the NWT. The GB have names The GB helpers have names The elders have names, SURELY THE TRANSLATORS HAVE NAMES ?????????
So D C1 , what you have discovered is a copy of a manuscript written in a language (that's not Greek) that has a variant. So what ????? If a latin manuscript has a variant out of 5000 manuscripts, who cares ??? If a Greek manuscript has a variant out of 5000 manuscripts, who cares ??? If a Hebrew manuscript has a variant out of 5000 manuscripts, who cares ??? I hope you not implying one of the Disciples wrote this SAHIDIC COPTIC Text and it has a variant. If one manuscript out of thousands of manuscripts using a foreign language to Koine Greek has a variant, you know what you've discovered D C1 ? Diddly Squat.
Worship.. in old english worship has a broad application. The word is still ued in addressing authority figure in legal orofession. YOUR WORSHIP. Worship, highly exhault, hold in high esteme. Many ,,worship..sports figures. Many ,,worship,, celebrities. In todays vocabulary this usage fell out of favior. Thus words like obecience are used to reflect modern word usage!
This makes as much sense of I saying, "I was WITH my mother at the birth of my kid sister. And I was also my mother." 'And the Word WAS God' translation would also debunk the Jesus IS God theory. WAS would indicate that Jesus has ceased to be God. Seems like a Catch 22 situation for those trying to use John 1:1 to make Jesus into God.
I can tell you don’t have any idea about Greek. There are three ways to describe the past in Greek. The way you interpret „was“ would be the aorist. The aorist in koine greek is not marked at an exact moment, it means that it just happened somewhere in the past unmarked, and could mean that it is not anymore today… However in John 1,1 the tense imperfect is used „was“(ην)… which has a meaning of duration, ongoing etc. So just by this word we can see how John uses the language precisely to make sure everyone who reads it, understands that Jesus WAS in eternity and always will exists in eternity.
@@ramongil99: At the outset of John 1:1 we are told that 'Jesus' was WITH God. That alone removes Jesus from the possibility of being God. Then who was he? John explains: Jesus was a god. Meaning a mighty being. Later we are told that Jesus IS a Son of God. John 1:34. Jesus WAS an angel. He ceased to be an angel. That is why WAS a god'. • 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. • 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) • 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) • 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863) Just a sample.
@@tongakhan230 "Just a sample." The Greek says: "God was the word" _(theo en ho logos)_ No "a god." Word order into English would be, "The Word was God." Oh yeah, the Greek quotation above is from Watchtower's own Kingdom Interlinear. Watchtower admits their Kingdom Interlinear Translation provides: *_“a very literal, word-for-word rendering of what the Greek actually says according to the basic meaning and grammatical form of each word. This enables even students who cannot read Greek to find out what is actually in the original Greek text”_* (Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 610). "John explains: Jesus was a god." Nope. John never says Jesus was "a god." Watchtower's Kingdom Interlinear gets it right! Neither is there capitalization in the greek. _theos_ can be GOD or God !
@@TruthHasSpoken : There is no such thing as a Capital letter in Greek. Thus, John 1:1 will just have 'with god' and god was the word'. John uses two distinct Greek forms for god in that one verse. Obviously to show that he was talking about TWO gods. One, the God Jesus was WITH is 'hon theon'. Note the definite article hon - THE in English. 'and god was the Word' is just 'theos'. No definite article preceding it. Since there is no indefinite article in Greek, the English language translator put A or AN before the noun. • 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. • 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) • 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) • 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863) • 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading) The Word WAS God would show that Jesus had lost it. He no longer IS God? Does this sound logical? John states clearly: (John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS the Son of God.” Note the IS even though John was writing about past events.
@@tongakhan230 "this one IS the Son of God.”" Exactly right: Sonship! My son has the same NATURE as me: Human. Jesus the Son, has the same NATURE as God the Father, Divine. They share the same NATURE, the same essence, which is why at Nicea, the Bishops, 318 of them, said in part, this : I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; Note, AFTER Nicea, those who decided which writings. belong in your table of contents ... were ... all ... Trinitarians. Yet you believe that they didn't even understand how to interpret the writings that they were deciding upon! That in a word is inconsistent.
TRUE or FALSE, is Jesus God if he had to be given Kingdom rulership? "You, O king, the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity," Daniel 2:37, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures “You yourself, your majesty, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given royalty, dominion, might, and glory," Daniel 2:37, The Bible in Living English "Thou, O king, art king of kings, unto whom the God of heaven hath given the kingdom, the power, and the strength, and the glory;" Daniel 2:37, American Standard Version "Thou O king art the king of kings,-for the God of the heavens hath given unto thee the kingship, the might, the power and the dignity;" Daniel 2:37, The Emphasized Bible "Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory." Daniel 2:37, King James Version FALSE, If Jesus was God, he would have already had this and no other would have to give it to him. See also Matthew 28:18 where the resurrected Jesus confirms this. 🤗
Well - that is the Truth - but these people out here in fairy-land - will not understand your display - they are more like monkey's than you may think - try this one --------- no-body seems to get it --------------- it is the power of satan that is doing it to them ----- John 5:19 -- Jesus replied, “The Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing, and in the same way. - it is the only verse needed to make Fools of all of them - and you - But they can somehow Reject it -- satan has taken over their minds - very ODD to Witness - Just as the Watch Tower rejects the Simple Message of God's Son - there are many - This is most relevant -- Romans 9:33 -- God warned them of this in the Scriptures when he said, “I have put a Rock in the path of the Jews, and many will stumble over him (Jesus). Those who believe in him will never be disappointed.” -- and try this one also - WT leaders are the worst Liars there are as to bible teachings - I am a Witness of such Truths -- 2 Corinthians 5:10 -- For we must all stand before Christ to be judged and have our lives laid bare-before him. Each of us will receive whatever he deserves for the good or bad things he has done in his earthly body. -- and Yes - I know you also will reject the WORD -- sorry for your failure also ! ! - and I am neither a trinitarian or am I a watch tower witness -- I am of Another Flock - You Too will take Mens words over the real Word - ODD ! ! !
I have more -- HERE - 1 Corinthians 15:27 -- For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by his Father; except, of course, Christ does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule. -- and MORE -- 1 Corinthians 15:23-25 -- 23 Each, however, in his own turn: Christ rose first; then when Christ comes back, all his people will become alive again. -- 24 After that the end will come when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having put down all enemies of every kind. 25 For Christ will be King until he has defeated all his enemies, -- But Wait -- there is MORE -- ahahahahaha -- There is MUCH MUCH MORE ! -- you people have got to get Better Leaders - Ones that have the WORD living in them - their cruelty is Known World Wide -- James 2:12-14 -- 12 You will be judged on whether or not you are doing what Christ wants you to. So watch what you do and what you think; 13 for there will be no mercy to those who have shown no mercy. But if you have been merciful, then God’s mercy toward you will win out over his judgment against you. -- 14 Dear brothers, what’s the use of saying that you have faith and are Christians if you aren’t proving it by helping others? Will that kind of faith save anyone? -- I have a PERFECT VERSE - if needed !
True! God GIVES Jesus Kingship and that too for only 1,000 years. Once Jesus brings this earth back to a Paradise and humans begin to live forever, Jesus hands over the rule of this earth to his God and Father. Jesus along with all intelligent creation become subject to God forever. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
'Theos' WITH the definite article at 2 Corinthians 4:4 is a reference to Satan. Thus, CONTEXT determines who is addressed by the Greek THEOS. Logic should dictate that no one can be WITH someone and also be that very someone he is WITH. That regarding John 1:1. I was WITH my mother when they opened the New Supermarket. Logically, I cannot be my own mother. If not for the NWT, people wouldn't know who the title LORD applies to. Tons of people are addressed by that title. 1 Peter 3:6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him LORD. Seems like another video charlatan fulfilling 2 Timothy 3:13.
"ἐν οἷς ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου ἐτύφλωσεν τὰ νοήματα τῶν ἀπίστων, εἰς τὸ μὴ αὐγάσαι αὐτοῖς τὸν φωτισμὸν τοῦ εὐαγγελίου τῆς δόξης τοῦ χριστοῦ, ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ." Where do you see the "WITH" (πρὸς) preposition applied to Satan? Yes, there is the article ὁ applied to him. It's a singular nominative form of the "τόν" article used in John 1:1 applied only to the GOD according to JW interpretation. Which means that the GOD and Satan are the same according to their logic 😂
@@mikhailmarvin2188: Please read John 1:1 b. There is no definite article with theos. The Word was WITH God in the (a) part, logically excludes Jesus from being God. I was WITH my mother at the school Prize Giving. I logically cannot be my own mother. If Jesus was some third part of God, then the Word was IN God would be the proper statement. Or the Word was WITH the Father and the Holy Spirt could have helped Trinity theorists. But WITH God, knocks that theory off. John would have had to be off his head to even hint that Jesus was God and then clearly state that, 'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME' (1 John 4:12,20) considering the fact that he grew up with Jesus. When people harp over some grammar of a single verse while conveniently ignoring all the clear scriptures, it is the adage, 'a drowning man will clutch at straws'. JWs are Jesus' ONLY Disciples. Worshipers of Jesus have disqualified themselves from being Jesus' DISCIPLES. (John 13:35) By this all will know that you are MY DISCIPLES-if you have love among yourselves.” No one can become a DISCIPLE of God. Only a WORSHIPER. I trust this helps.
@@tongakhan230So you didn't read my answer. Because I answered your claim about 2 Corinthians 4:4, and your subsequent claim about the definite article ὁ should completely ruin your own logic. In a nutshell, articles don't prove anything.
@@tongakhan230About JW's insist on the necessity of the ὁ article (and its different forms) before the GOD word, they will be really disappointed in places like John 1:18, Hebrews 11:16, etc. Read the Colwell's rule explanation. It will clarify everything.
@@mikhailmarvin2188 : The presence of a definite article does prove something. It refers to someone DEFINITE. The Professor and a Professor are different. THE God generally refers to the ONLY TRUE GOD. When the definite article is absent, then in English it refers to something unspecific. A or An precedes the noun. I John 1:1 'the Word was WITH God' . Here god is 'hon theon'. 'And the Word was a god'. Here god is plain theos. Why would John use two Greek forms of god if he was referring to one and the same? Obviously to show that these two gods were not one and the same.
Joe pu, You must wordhip jehovah God and have no other god me. THERE were other ,, exhaulted , mightty one worshipped as gods. Recognisibg the existance of other gods doent make polytheism. Worshipping mult gods is poly theism.
Was Jesus worshiped? If Jesus was indeed worshiped then I think it would prove that he was God. Everyone can read the following and draw their own conclusion. The Greek word for worship is Proskuneo. It means prostrating before a superior, ready to fall down/prostate oneself to adore on one’s knees, to do obeisance.. It is used when Satan wanted Jesus to worship him, it is used in Revelation when people worshiped the beast and his image and it is used when the elders worshiped the one sitting on the throne. in Rev. 5:14. In those verses the NWT has the word Proskuneo translated worship. In Rev. 19:10 the angel told John not to worship him. In all these verses the NWT has the Greek word Proskuneo translated worship. It is also used when addressing Jesus the exact same word the NWT has translated worship in those verses the word Proskuneo is translated obeisance in the following verses when addressing as if “suddenly’ somehow it doesn’t mean worship but obeisance only. How the Watchtower came to this conclusion is beyond me. But here we go. The Magi from the East who came to visit him they wanted to worship him. Matt. 2:2, 8, 11 .Also Matt. 8:2 The leper who wanted to be cleaned or healed worshiped Jesus. Matt. 9:18 The man who wanted his daughter healed worshiped him. The disciples in the boat when Jesus walked on water Matt. 14:33 worshiped him. The gentile woman who wanted her daughter healed Matt. 15:25 worshiped him. The blind man that Jesus healed in John 9:38 worshiped him. In Matt. 28:9, 17 after Jesus' resurrection his disciples worshiped him. In Hebrews 1:6 the angels are told to worship him. Now in the NWT in each of these verses the Greek word Proskuneo is translated obeisance instead of worship even though it is the exact same word. It doesn’t mean worship but presto it suddenly changes to obeisance only.
Εν αρχήν ην ο λόγος: In the beginning was the Word και ο λόγος ην προς τον θεόν:and the Word was with God και θεός ην ο λόγος:and God was the Word/the Word was God The whole τον(the) insinuating whether it's talking about a god or God is total bull. To say "a god" we say ένας θεός (one god). Τον doesn't even mean "the", it's an article(?).
If the bad translation of John 1:1 which states that 'and the Word WAS God' is taken, it actually destroys the notion that Jesus IS God. WAS being the past tense of IS. John obviously wasn't even hinting that Jesus IS God. For he writes a bit further down. (John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the SON OF GOD.” A son being his own father is not a concept even found in mythology.
My friend, please do some studying. In the beginning _was_ (ην) the Word. The Greek word ην (was) is the imperfect of ειμι. As Murray Harris points out, “In itself v. 1a speaks only of the pretemporality or supratemporality of the Logos, but through the conjunction of ἐν ἀρχῇ and ἦν (not ἐγένετο) John implies the eternal preexistence of the Logos. Ἦν therefore signifies timeless existence: “(In the beginning the Word) was already eternally existing.”[1] Second, as I pointed out to you in another thread: The title “Son of God” was used in a variety of ways in both the Bible and the Greco-Roman world. Angels are called “sons of God” (Job 1:6) and Adam is called “son of God” (Luk 3:38) because they were created. The nation of Israel is called God’s firstborn son (Exo 4:22-23) and Christian’s are called “sons of God” (Rom 8:14) because of redemption. Legendary heroes, kings, philosophers, and miracle workers were sometimes referred to as sons of God.[2] The title “Son of God” does not mean the same thing in every context but JW’s willfully ignore this and fail to distinguish them. Jesus is the μονογενὴς υἱός (the only unique Son). Jesus is unique because he is neither created (like angels) nor redeemed (like Christians)-he is the uncreated creator (Heb 1:10-12) who himself is the redeemer (Gal 3:13). Rather, Jesus is unique because he is the Son of God by nature (ie. he is God). Carson says, “Jesus is not the Son of God by virtue of being the ultimate Israel, nor is he the Son of God by virtue of being the Messiah, the ultimate Davidic king, nor is he the Son of God by virtue of being a perfect human being. Rather, he is the Son of God from eternity, simultaneously distinguishable from his heavenly Father yet one with him”[3] The Jews claimed to be sons of God (John 8:41), yet they understood that Jesus claimed a unique status as the Son of God-equality with God (John 5:18). His equality does not mean he is a separate god but shares in the identity of the one God-having the same nature. The Father/Son language is anthropomorphic language to differentiate persons within the Godhead and to communicate how the Godhead interacts with itself. In the ancient near East (ANE) brother gods were rivals (cf. Egyptian gods Osiris and Set), so how could one send the other? Male/female or husband/wife gods always involved a sexual aspect to the relationship (cf. Egyptian gods Geb and Nut). Not to mention they were often dualistic. A Father/Son relationship tells us that they are equal as to nature, it is a loving but non-sexual relationship, honoring one is to honor the other. A son in the ANE had the same authority as the Father, could rule as co-regent, was owner of everything that was the fathers. A Father/Son relationship is the perfect way to communicate the relationship between the Father and Jesus. It also communicates the maxim we know “Like father, like son.” Jesus' imitation of the Father is absolute-EVERYTHING that the Father does, he does (John 5:19). No created creature could make that claim. The title “Son of God” must be read in context since it is used in a variety of ways. The title applied to Jesus is used to differentiate his person from the Father while at the same time used to communicate that he possesses the same nature as the Father-placing him within the identity of the one God (ie. Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God). [1] Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015), ePub, 1:1. [2] Mark L. Strauss, Mark : Zondervan Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2014), ePub, ch. 1. [3] D.A. Carson, Jesus the Son of God : A Christological Title Often Overlooked, Sometimes Misunderstood, and Currently Disputed (Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2012), ePub, ch. 1.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : How hard can it be to understand that is 'the Word WAS God' is taken as proper, it would mean that Jesus NO LONGER IS GOD. Being WITH and being one and the same are two different concepts. • 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading) • 1879: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979) • 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885)
Again, you are demonstrating your ignorance of both Greek and English. Second, it is a statement about his nature, which doesn't change. "I came to realize that Bessie wasn't a cow but was human." Does that mean that Bessie isn't human now? No. Bessie can not stop being human. In identifying that the Son was God, it is manifest that he is always God.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : WAS is the past tense of IS. If Jesus WAS God it means he no longer IS God. See how John states Jesus' position. (John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.” John wrote this many decades AFTER Jesus had disappeared back to heaven. No WAS a Son of God as if he was referring to some past event. But IS and continues to be a Son of God. 'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12. Get it? Jesus couldn't have been God at ANY TIME. Jesus was SEEN. Fiddling around with grammar in one verse will never change this FACT.
News flash genius, "was" can be an imperfect, and second, the NT wasn't written in English, it was written in Greek. Second, As I already demonstrated in previous threads, "Son of God" as it relates to Jesus means he is God. Third, God was seen in the OT (Exo 24:10; Isa 6:1). John isn't denying that God was seen, only that he wasn't seen in his fullness. But you don't seem to get that so explain to me how Isaiah could see God in Isa 6:1.
This may come to mind: Matthew 7:4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye.
If Jesus is a god, lower case g, and Jesus comes to earth, sits on the thrown of God, capitol G, and takes away the sacrifice, and declares himself to be God, capitol G, but is not God, capitol G, then who does your bible say Jesus is? Using only the facts here, then in fact, you are muslim, believing Jesus is the great deceiver, because there is only one God, capitol G, and there are no other gods but God, capitol G. And if Jesus does what the bible says Satan does, and you believe Jesus is not God, capitol G, you must admit that Jesus then must be, by order of what you believe is written, must therefore be Satan. Prove me wrong.
Yes! It would be like a Pharisee trying to convince Jesus of what the Bible teaches. Here is John's clear testimony. (John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the SON OF GOD.” (1 John 4:12) No one has SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME.
@@jimjuri6490 1John 3:6 "No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him (Jesus) or known him." Did the religious leaders crucify the invisible man? How could John say that people who keep on sinning have never seen Jesus?
@@jimjuri6490 John records Jesus telling the disciples that, "If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him” (John 14:7 ESV). So apparently the disciples had seen the Father and the religious leaders didn't see Jesus. Also, have you ever read the OT? It clearly states, "they saw the God of Israel. There was under his feet as it were a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness" (Ex. 24:10 ESV). Now I don't think John contradicts himself or the OT, I think JW's misinterpret what John is saying.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : Any ENVOY from some authority would say what Jesus said. You know who I am. Thereby you know who SENT ME. Jesus was only USED BY GOD in the first Century. Read Paul's comparing Jesus to God's other ways of communicating with humans. Hebrews 1:1,2.
You can cut and paste the Greek into a translator and does it properly without the “a” ; there’s only one reason this quote and all others in the heresy of the new world translation has occurred….. to make their ‘bible’ fit their false doctrine. #endof
The Coptic language was spoken in Egypt in the centuries immediately following Jesus' earthly ministry, and the Sahidic dialect was an early literary form of the language. Regarding the earliest Coptic translations of the Bible, The Anchor Bible Dictionary says: 'Since the [Septuagint] and the [Christian Greek Scriptures] were being translated into Coptic during the 3rd century C.E., the Coptic version is based on [Greek manuscripts] which are significantly older than the vast majority of extant [still-existing] witnesses.'" A significant fact concerning the Coptic language is that, unlike the Greek, it used an indefinite article ("a" or "an" in English). So in NT Greek for example, the literal translation of John 1:6 is, "came to be man having been sent forth ...." But Bible translators always render 'man' here as 'a man.' This is because the Greek did not use any form of an indefinite article, and it had to be understood and supplied by the English translator. The Coptic, however, DID use a form of an indefinite article ('a' or 'an' in English). Therefore, the Coptic translation supplies interesting evidence as to how John 1:1 would have been understood back then. We find that the Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word 'god' in the final part of John 1:1! So when rendered into modern English, the translation reads: 'And the Word was a god.' (See: The Coptic Gospel of John 1:1-14 1808: “and the word was a god.” - The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text. 1864: “and a god was the word.” - The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson. 1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” - La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel. 1935: “and the Word was divine.” - The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. 1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” - Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme. 1958: “and the Word was a God.” - The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek. 1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz. 1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider. Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3.
Did you know that in John 1:1-3, there are different Greek words for both Gods mentioned? The Word, Jesus, (Λόγος or Logos), was with God (Θεόν, or Theon). The Word was God (Θεὸς, or Theos). He, Jesus, was in the beginning with God (Θεόν, Theon). Even though these are different cases of the same word, they are nevertheless differentiated. Satan was also called θεὸς, or Theos at 2 Corinthians 4:4. Is Satan also God? Don’t know Greek? Neither do I. Let’s break this down a little further shall we? In the beginning was the word (Jesus, Son of God), and the word (Jesus, Son of God) was with God (Almighty God, God the Father), and the word (Jesus, Son of God) was God (Almighty God, God the Father)? No matter how you put it, it doesn’t make sense!! What does make sense is that Jesus, being in the beginning with God (Genesis 1:26, John 1:1), in fact being God’s very first creation (Colossians 1:15, Proverbs 8:22, Revelation 3:14), actually calls God his God and worships God the Father. (Revelation 3:12, John 20:17)
Hello, I'm Greek. For one, you're misunderstanding Corinthians, for two, the only difference between θεόν and θεός is verb conjugation. They both still very much mean the same thing. Corinthians has differing context. John 1 is clear as day.
Correct! Right at the outset, John states that Jesus (the Word) was WITH God at some point of time. I was WITH my mother at the birth of her second son. I logically cannot be my own mother. All this is a fiddling around with grammar to make Jesus into God. When the Bible clearly states that Jesus was NOT God. (1 John 4:12) No one has seen God AT ANY TIME. This was written by the same John who wrote John 1:1 who SAW Jesus multiple times.
@@jimjuri6490 well, not really. The verse states clearly that the Word and God are one. There isn't any difference between θεός and θεόν in meaning, it's just conjugation.
@@stmp4160 : John 1:1. The Word (ie. the one we know as Jesus) was WITH God (hon theon). And the Word was a god (theos). John uses two Greek forms for god. One with the definite article and one without. Obviously to show that he was talking about two separate gods. Here is another verse using 'theos' WITHOUT the definite article. (Acts 12:22) Then the people who were assembled began shouting: “A god’s voice, and not a man’s!” Herod spoke with God's voice? I think not. If Jesus is made into God, why deny Herod of that privilege. • 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading) • 1879: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979) • 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885)
That right he was a God. Isaiah said he'd be called a Mighty God and Moses in Exodus 6:3 says that Jehovah is God Almighty and there's a difference between Almighty and Mighty, Almighty means absolute power and no equal whereas Mighty means powerful and strong. 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 says even though there are many God's and many Lord's to us, there is only one God, the Father (Jehovah) that's who Jesus prayed to. Jehovah, the father. So he was a God just as the Bible says in many places.
Joh. 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 1 Joh. 1:1-3 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show to you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and manifested to us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we to you, that you may also have fellowship with us: and truly our felowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. [GODHEAD IN THREE PERSONS (1 Joh. 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. Ac. 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Rom. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Col. 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Ps. 19:1-6 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day into day utters speech, and night into night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voices not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them has he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.) The Father, Son and Spirit are called God. FATHER (Joh. 6:27); SON (Joh. 1:1-3; 8:58; 20:28; Ac. 20:28; Heb. 1:8); SPIRIT (Ac. 5:3-4) All three persons are mentioned together in the same passages. 1. The baptism of Christ (Mt. 3:16-17). 2. The promise of the Comforter (Joh. 14:16). 3. The Kingdom Commission (Mt. 28:18-20). 4. Paul's apostolic benediction (2 Cor. 13:14). 5. The unity of the spirit (Eph. 4:4-6). The Trinity working in unity as the Godhead. 1. Creation - The Spirit moved (Gen. 1:2). God spoke, Christ (the Word) created all things (Joh. 1:1-3); God said, "Let US make man in OUR image (Gen. 1:26; 1 Th. 5:23) 2. Incarnation - The Father gave (Joh. 3:16-17), the Spirit placed the seed (Mt. 1:18; Lk. 1:35), and the Son was born of a virgin (Mt. 1:18-25) 3. Resurrection (Ac. 13:30) - Father (Gal. 1:1), Son (Joh. 10:17), Spirit (Rom. 8:11) 4. Salvation (Eph. 1:3-14) 5. Prayer (Eph. 3:14; 5:20; 6:18)]
Other Bibles That Render John 1:1c "a god" The NWT is not the only Bible to render John 1:1c as "a god". Actually, there are many Bibles that render John 1:1 as "a God" or it's equivalent: 1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text. 1864: “and a god was the word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson. 1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel. 1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. 1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme. 1958: “and the Word was a God.” The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek. 1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz. 1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider. Trinitarian Scholars Have Even Admitted That "the Word was *a* god" Even a number of respected trinitarian scholars have admitted that "the Word was *a* god" is the literal translation at John 1:1c. In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? Because of a trinitarian bias only! W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament. C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977. Murray J. Harris - "the Word was a god" - p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992. Robert Young - "and a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word" - Young's Concise Critical Bible Commentary. Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3. Origen's Commentary on John is "the first great work of Christian interpretation." Origen was certainly the most knowledgeable about NT (koine) Greek of any scholar. He studied it from early childhood and even taught it professionally from his teens onward. And this was during a time when it was a living language and, of course, well understood. - The Ante-Nicene Fathers, pp. 291-294, vol. X, Eerdmans Publ., 1990 printing.
@@tadhgmccain7785 Jesus is God, who took on flesh, born of a virgin as both the Son of man and the Son of God. Joh. 12:44-46 Jesus cried and said, He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that sees me sees him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness. Joh. 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandments is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even the Father said to me, so I speak. Joh. 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Joh. 10:30 I (Jesus, God the son) and my Father (God the Father) are one. THEREFORE: Jesus is not (a god) but God in the flesh.
@@kentpaulhamus2158 The Sahidic Coptic Translation Reads John 1:1 as, "And the Word was *a* god." It is also interesting to note that the Coptic language was spoken in Egypt in the centuries immediately following Jesus' earthly ministry, and the Sahidic dialect was an early literary form of the language. A significant fact concerning the Coptic language is that, unlike the Greek, it used an indefinite article ("a" or "an" in English). The Sahidic Coptic translation DOES USE an indefinite article with the word 'god' in the final part of John 1:1 and when rendered into modern English, the translation reads: 'And the Word was a god.' (Coptic Translation of John 1:1-14) The fact is that the New World Translation is not wrong in translating John 1:1 the way it does as some critics propose. In fact, these critics have it completely turned around. The absence of the indefinite article (a) at John 1:1c has been purposely mistranslated in most Trinitarian-produced Bibles to fit THEIR doctrine that Jesus is God.
@@kentpaulhamus2158 The Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7-8) The so-called Johannine Comma (also called the Comma Johanneum) is a sequence of extra words which appear in 1 John 5:7-8 in some early printed editions of the Greek New Testament. In these editions the verses appear thus (we put backets around the extra words): ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες [ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ Πατήρ, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἔν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ] τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα, καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν. The King James Version, which was based upon these editions, gives the following translation: For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. These extra words are generally absent from the Greek manuscripts. In fact, they only appear in the text of four late medieval manuscripts. They seem to have originated as a marginal note added to certain Latin manuscripts during the middle ages, which was eventually incorporated into the text of most of the later Vulgate manuscripts All scholars consider it to be spurious, and it is not included in modern critical editions of the Greek text, or in the English versions based upon them. For example, the English Standard Version reads: For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
@@tadhgmccain7785 Do you trust in Jesus Christ as your savior who was born in the flesh of a virgin, lived a sinless life, shed his blood on the cross for our sins, died was buried, rose again and is in heaven sitting on the right hand side of God the Father as God the Son?
It is not just JW's who teach the truth of John 1:1 Various translations "the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed, E.J. An American Translation N.T. 1923). "the Logos was Divine" (Moffatt, J. The Bible 1950). "And what God was, the Word was" (New English Bible 1961). "the Word was Divine" (Schonfield, H.L. Authentic N.T. 1956). "The Word was with God and shared his nature" (Translator's N.T. 1973). "and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" (Barclay, W. N.T. 1968). In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? BECAUSE OF A TRINITARIAN BIAS ONLY! W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament. C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977 and the Word was a god." New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. "and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson "and the Word was divine." The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3
I can see your passion for this topic as you looked into various translations. However, many of these translation are not literal translations and further undergird the Trinitarian position. But the point of this video is that it's not about grammar. Why not translate John 1:18, "No one has seen 'a god' at any time"? Is it because of a Unitarian bias? Why only translate the indefinite article to be a lower case god 16 times when the context serves the unitarian doctrinal position and ignore the other 266 times it occurs in the New Testament? And what about John 1:3? Without Jesus, nothing was made that was made. Does that not imply Jesus was unmade, uncreated, and therefore eternal?
@@kyleboone1242 You contradict yourself in your statement about Jesus being uncreated, please read Vs 8 No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known.......did you notice that is calls Jesus the "only begotten God" he was begotten by his father as " A GOD" and was the firstborn of ALL CREATION ....
@@STROND The word (monogenete) translated only begotten can also just mean "one and only." It need not necessitate being created. It speaks of uniqueness. Interestingly, the Bible calls Isaac Abraham's monogenete son, even though Abraham had other sons. But Isaac was the special son. 1 Clement 15:2 talks about the phoenix as a 'monogenete' bird. It's a unique bird (and ...not real, but that's beside the point lol). Also, you still didn't answer my question about John 1:3 or the other 266 times the NWT doesn't follow this grammatical rule.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Good lexicography. Trenches Synonyms of the NT? The background of the NT is the OT. Theos is an approximate equivalent for El or Elohim. In the semitic culture el and Elohim can be used adjectively for " powerful" or " mighty" human, or angelic. See John 10:30------35. Although in context of Joh 1:3,4 Jesus could be a Theos apart from( choris) created beings.
I've never heard of "Trenches Synonyms of the NT." If John wanted to say that Jesus was "a god" then he would have written the sentence: και ο λόγος ην θεός. But he didn't. He placed θεος before the copulative verb. John makes it very clear that Jesus is eternal (already existing in "the beginning"), he is distinct from God ("with God"), he is God ("was God"), is the creator ("all things were made through him"), and he is self existent ("in him was life"). John fleshes out how Jesus can be God and distinct from God thought the book, culminating in Thomas's confession that Jesus is his God.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Maybe you haven't heard of BF Wescotts critical commentary on John either? He basically says same thing. I'm glad you're researching subject. But there is a little controversy on subject. Origin (254AD) interpreted the second Theos in clause c as referring to the " second god", deuteros theos. There was the ancient doctrine of theosis in the early church where sanctified believers became divinities like at John 10:34,35. The Eastern Orthodox Church still teaches this .
I'm guessing there was a recent WT article about Origen because I see a number of JW’s posting about him, am I correct? Have you read Origen's writings yourself? I've read a lot of Origen's stuff, and I've found that most of it is taken out of context. Now, back to what John wrote, he begins by telling the reader that Jesus is God and forms an inclusio (a literary device) with one of the main characters confessing that Jeune is his God. Notice he didn't just confess him as divine θειος or as "a God," but "THE God of me" (my God). So he was either breaking the first commandment or including Jesus in the identity of the one God, ie., he believed that God subsists in more than one person. Which was it?
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I think that is Moses was APPOINTED as God. And Aaron as his prophet. Exodus 7:1 Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet. How was Moses made “God to Pharaoh”? Moses was given divine power and authority over Pharaoh. Hence, there was no need to be afraid of that king.
Here in Europe 99.9 percentage of leaving Jws abandon religion after researching the origins of it . The Americans are a different breed and cannot live without the craziness of it….
forget the greek just use common sense if Jesus is God himself and not a perfect human how could he pay an equivalent price as a ramson for Adam who was a perfect human being before he sinned. And what about Satan : if Jesus is God satan would not have tried to entice him to make a pack with him in Luke chap4. Beside if Jesus is the true God was he adressing his prayers to himself. The only thing that God did not alowed Jesus to do is to listen to prayers but his ranson permits us to adress our prayers to god in CHrist name due to his ransom. So instead of concentrating on a word look at the mass of information in the scriptures to let you understand. Words may have meenings but the full content will help you understand it. I once in a while meet a languge specialist while preaching door to door, more often then not they try to disprove the bible because they are non believers; sometimes we try to show these people scriptures that contradic what he is implying but if he wont recongnise what is obvious, we are not there to argue , we are looking for those whose heart God decide to open..Deniers ,argumentors,and those who's heart is not well disposed, are not part of who we are looking for.
@@petersmith2870 : That is correct! God was speaking to someone at Genesis 1:26. Whom was God speaking to? The Bible answers. (Proverbs 8:30) Then I was beside him (ie. God) AS A MASTER WORKER. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; This very special FIRSTBORN angelic SON is the one God SENT to become the human Messiah. (Galatians 4:4, John 3:16). The one we know as Jesus the Christ.
@@tongakhan230 Firstborn doesn't mean created every Greek scholar knows this and when the Father speaks in Hebrew's he says But of the Son your throne O God is forever and ever also if you want to look at Genesis' God said let US make Man in OUR Image and he made them male and female in IMAGE of God
@@petersmith2870 : If it is said that the boy Tom is the FIRST in the class, everyone knows what it means. No one can come and claim that First can also mean First in a beauty contest with regard to Tom. When the CONTEXT is given, what Firstborn can mean in other contexts have no bearing on what Jesus is. David was APPOINTED Firstborn. Jacob WON THE RIGHT of Firstborn. Jesus was ACTUALLY a Firstborn by BIRTH (creation). Here is it with the context. (Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION; Because Jesus is the FIRSTBORN among God's intelligent CREATION< God appointed Jesus as his HEIR. Please read Hebrews 1:2. God cannot appoint HIMSELF as his own HEIR. What type of sense would that make?
This is a gross simplification of a relatively complex translation issue in John 1:1. It is not merely the absence of a definite article but the presence of this occurrence in the predicate of the sentence (anarthrous predicate noun). There was a lengthy discussion of this issue in the Journal of Biblical Literature by Phillip Harner, which pointed out that that word was divine or what God was the Word were probably the most accurate translations. And one word of appreciation for the comments of the pastor in saying to approach JW’s in love. While I don’t agree with his analysis, that statement goes a very long way in tempering what could otherwise be a contentious debate.
The Greek has THEOS without the definite article. It should read 'a god'. Any other translation is a deviation from the Greek. Wikipedia quotes tons of translations which word it properly.
@@tongakhan230 Your pronouncement that “any other translation is a deviation from the Greek” does not make it so. Many grammarians specializing in Koine Greek have come to the conclusion that the predicate of this sentence is not so much an identification as it is a qualitative expression. Using the indefinite article in this case does not correct the issue, as it still points to identity vs. quality, which was not John’s intent in writing this sentence. You end up inadvertently making the same mistake as trinitarians, just on the opposite side.
@@georgerickard4915 : This may help. • 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. • 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) • 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) • 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863) • 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading) • 1879: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979) • 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885) • 1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17] • 1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958); • 1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" - Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany • 1975: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975); • 1978: "and godlike sort was the Logos" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin • (Source - Wikipedia - John 1:1) There seems to be Trinitarian believers among the Translators. Why shoot themselves in the foot? Because, despite their personal beliefs, they wanted to prove faithful to the translation.
@@tongakhan230 Quoting from Wikipedia, Hmmmm Can you supply all these details above from a peer reviewed Journal and definitely not Wikipedia. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone who doesn't have credentials. A rookie error Mr Wronga Tonga.
ahahahahaha -- definite Farticle -- ahahaha -- Ecclesiastes 12:12 -- But, my son, be warned: there is no end of opinions ready to be expressed. Studying them can go on forever and become very exhausting! -- -- Matthew 11:25-27 --- 25 And Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding the truth from those who think themselves so wise, and for revealing it to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for it pleased you to do it this way! . . . -- 27 “Everything has been entrusted to me by my Father. Only the Father knows the Son, and the Father is known only by the Son and by those to whom the Son reveals him. -- Exodus 34:14 -- For you must worship no other gods, but only Jehovah, for he is a God who claims absolute loyalty and exclusive devotion. -- YOU PEOPLE CAN WORSHIP JESUS IF YOU LIKE -- Even HE - WORSHIPS his FATHER -- THIS IS HIS WORDS ------ Luke 18:19 -- “Do you realize what you are saying when you call me ‘good’?” Jesus asked him. “Only Jehovah is truly good, and no one else. -- old satan -- and his religious slaves - they even Changed the letters to a different Scenario -- satan is surely a good TRICKSTER ! -- Genesis 3:13 -- Then the Almighty God asked the woman, “How could you do such a thing?” “The serpent tricked me,” she replied.
for the sake of his sowerful passion have mercy on us and on the whole world jesus i trust in you amen
From a Greek man who reads the original text.....
΄΄Jesus is GOD΄΄......
Greetings from Thessaloniki, Greece...
ahahahahahaha -- the catholics were the first ones to translate the letters the way THEY wanted it to be - and they worship a Women - a joke being played on Jehovah - Jesus's father -- and Jesus was surely no Elephant - he was a what ? ! - The Living Word - Colossians 1:14-16 -- 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for through him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; - read my response to this - Translations of the deteriorated letters have been ALTERED -- by MEN ! ! - those WTs are doing a really bad job they have been given - but what can be expected from Primadonna men - in an Ivory tower - with all the food and amenities they can stand - and Jesus is GODS SON - NOT God - what and the world ? ? ?
I think it says 'WAS God' John 1:1
Meaning that Jesus is no longer God.
@@tongakhan230 I'm not referring to the verse......
I'm just telling the truth as a Greek......
The New Testament reveals to us that Jesus Christ is the Yahweh of the Old Testament....... (unless an American publishing company changes the translation)............🙂
@@enoughisenough2696 : If that was the case, how is it that Jesus didn't know that he was God? He told the Jews:
(John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD.
If I hear something from my wife, can I be my own wife? Would that even make any sense?
John 1:1 is ' and the Word was a god'. Meaning Jesus was a mighty being WITH God. Namely an angel. But no longer was an angel while in earth (Philippians 2:7, John 1:14). That is how they managed to kill Jesus.
'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1L5,13.
I'm sure Paul was clear. Jesus was chosen from among the angels. See Hebrews 1:9.
@@tongakhan230 Oh dear Mr Wronga Tonga, let us see what the Greek says and not what you think it says.
I asked you this morning for the names of the people who worked on the NWT Translating Committee.
I also asked for their qualifications in Greek and Hebrew.
Please be a good chap and get those names for me please.
All your understanding for the bible comes from translators whom you appear not to know.
Be like the Bereans and check everything.
That includes all the names of the Translators for the NWT.
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, ' is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
Well explained
Jesus is also worshipped forever in that book as prophesized in Daniel. I understand all the verses that show Jesus praying to the Father and receiving authority from the Father, but that is consistent with orthodox Trinitrarian doctrine. We believe Jesus is begotten, not made, and shares the same nature with the father. I don't understand how worship of Jesus in the Bible doesn't seem to be consistent with the first commandment and Deuteronomy 6 if the Father and Son do not share the same nature. That was supposed to have been settled in the 4th century when they had a council about this controversy.
@@genotriana3882 they did try to fix it but you have to remember this council of men were imperfect and Jesus was not with them to guide them
@@pamelasloan1664 The Holy Spirit should have been.
So you think all the 1st, 2nd and 3rd century Christians (along with all the churches who followed what that council decided for thousands of years) all got it wrong? And a group of people in Brooklyn in the 1950s who predicted the end of the world incorrectly a bunch of times got it right? God’s revelation is meant for all and He gave us His spirit to understand it. If no one knew what He meant until JW came about in the 1950s, His word would wasn’t very effective.
The Bible has Jesus sharing God’s nature, forgiving sins, being worshipped and served forever in eternal dominion, participating in creation, being better than angels, having authority to replace OT commands, having divine powers, making all things new, and judging the living and the dead. If that is not a picture of Yahweh/Jehovah then I don’t know what is.
@@genotriana3882 let's face facts not all on that council agreed, those that didn't were put out, so there was no complete agreement and since that period of time down to today do you think the they have done a good job in representing God's words with wars genocide, rape, immorality, worship of idols etc etc etc etc I dare you to show me one period of time they were not heavily involved in politics sending troops to war even though Catholic were fighting Catholic I'm sure Jesus would have wept with shame at what organised religion was doing to his people at lest the Jws even though not perfect do try and live there lives according to Jesus example
I am greek and i am glad and proud because born in thessaloniki greece and i study ancient greeks in highschool.Hi from thessaloniki.Come to Greece.
I would say the Jehovah's Witness purpose is not one of salvation but to prove Jesus isn't God and he really isn't important. I find that interesting since Jesus will be the one judging everyone someday.
They don’t feel like that! Jesus is very important, he is King….He is a Lord…he’s just not his father…but no one can get to the father without Jesus
@@jeanakatherine9369 Do they preach Jesus?
@@Doris1888 yes! They love Jesus & he is just as important as God
@@jeanakatherine9369 I thought Jesus was a "god" according the JWs.
@@Doris1888 He’s Gods son but he is not God…but he pretty much is like 2nd in command, he’s Lord & we worship him…I have been studying with the JW’s & Jesus is very important, close all prayers thru him…
If I were satan the devil I would demote and give a false title to that one that I despise and he who defeated me, I would disguise myself as an angel of light and make many follow me, I would replace Yeshua with a new mediator that I control (governing body), I would call them the JWs.. a name that is man made but excepted to them.. I will make them do works and never rest, I would keep those scales over their eyes and fill them with fear, they will be mine and will go down with me..
Also, as in Isaiah 44: 6 .... " I am the first and the last; beside me there is no God."
Other verses state there are no other God's. So then their John 1:1 makes Jesus a false God. The answer I get to that is, that is how people talked back then and they even called angels gods. So then I want to know, is this book God's Word or is it man's? ..... this distortion of God's word also helps "prove" their Jesus is Michael lie. I just pray for opened eyes from the Holy Spirit. Amen.
(Exodus 20:3) You must not have any other gods besides me.
Tell me please. Would this command by God make any sense if there were no other gods?
@@tongakhan230 men create gods.. the gods that men create only have the power man gives them. God gave us his Word. It is not man's view of God. It is God's view of man. He had men write it down so we could have it and use it. It is not men's words. Either it is all the truth or it isn't.
@@amandasaunders3493 : That is not the answer relevant to my question.
If there are no other gods, what was God commanding at Exodus 20:3?
There are other gods. Jesus is one. Satan is one. It just means mighty beings.
God commands that these other gods should NOT BE WORSHIPED. Jehovah ALONE deserves our worship.
(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and IT IS TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’”
Jesus too worshiped Jehovah, the ONLY TRUE GOD (john 17:3).
@@tongakhan230 I'm sorry you have been mislead by men. Read the Bible. On your own. It is all you need to know the message God wants us to know. Accept Jesus as your saviour and receive the holy spirit.
@@amandasaunders3493 G'day Amanda, Tonga Khan is revealing his Polytheism. Its technical name is Henotheism
Mr Khan has to believe in more than 1 God as the Watchtower believe Jesus is a God also.
Mr Khan is definitely not a Monotheist like yourself.
Mr Khan goes around saying he follows 1 God and there is 1 God, yet REALLY believes there are many Gods.
The Old Wolf in Sheep's clothing.
To put it more bluntly, Mr Khan will say "I believe in 1 God, but really when pushed I believe in many Gods, but I only follow 1 God, but when pushed I believe in 2 Gods ie Jesus (a God) and Jehovah (a God).
Great work by the way with your apologetic statements. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Pastor Boone does a good job refuting the cult of JW. Might I add:
This is Jehovah (ESV) Isaiah 48:12 “Listen to me, O Jacob,and Israel, whom I called!I am he; I am the first,and I am the last. 13 My hand laid the foundation of the earth,and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.
And this is Jehovah Isaiah 41:4 Who has performed and done this,calling the generations from the beginning? I,the Lord, the first, and with the last;
I am he.
Now, who is this in Revelation 1:17 ?
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last"
Gee, it cant be Jehovah, cause no one can see Jehovah- right?
Oh - one more question, when did Jehovah die?
Revelation of Jesus Christ 1:18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades
My answer to you : This is my Jesus, the one I walk with, He is Jehovah in the flesh.
Great scripture citation, thanks!
Iam an exJW the JW Watchtower org adopted the "a god" translation from a spirit medium named Johannes Greber who got his translation from communication with spirits who revealed to him that "a god" translation and WT used his translation and inserted it into their NWT bible
Jesus is a Begotten God. John 1:18
Berean Literal Bible
No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known.
NASB 1977
No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
Legacy Standard Bible
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
Amplified Bible
No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father].
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.”
revealed him.
Literal Standard Version
No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father-He has expounded [Him].
New King James Version
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [h]Son , who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Check out the footnote [h]
h. John 1:18 NU God
Altar and Pillar!
Isaiah 19:19 Revelation 5:5
The Great Pyramid points Astronomically North. Jesus is the true light. John 1:9 The true light that gives light to every sort of man was about to come into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know* him.
The Word Became Flesh!
The promise was made to Abraham before Judah was even born and Jesus was even born. But Jesus was the Word in the Flesh, In the beginning of this promise.
Genesis 18:1 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree.
Genesis 18:17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.
John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God. 55 Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar. But I do know him and am observing his word. 56 Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.
The Word became flesh!
God is the only One who can accurately describe Himself as “I AM.” Jesus claimed the title I AM for Himself in John 8:58.
But Jesus the Word was standing there In The Beginning with Abraham when the promise was made to Abraham. No man has seen the God of Abraham YHVH. Yehovah
The promise was made to Abraham before Judah was even born and Jesus was even born. Jesus as a god or lord walked the earth.
Genesis 18:1 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree.
Genesis 18:17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.
John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God. 55 Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar. But I do know him and am observing his word. 56 Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.
What complete and utter rubbish
@jahambassador I urge you to research Johannes Greber the defrocked former Catholic priest turned spirit medium and his spirit interpreted version of John 1:1 found in WT NWT bible....he also authored a book called "Communication with the spirit world of god"
BOY -- satan surely has you people Blinded - READ -- John 5:19 -- Jesus replied, “The Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing, and in the same way. -- What has you so Blinded if not satan -- John 5:39-44 -- Jesus said -- 39 “You search the Scriptures, for you believe they give you eternal life. And the Scriptures point to me! 40 Yet you won’t come to me so that I can give you this life eternal! - 41-42 “Your approval or disapproval means nothing to me, for as I know so well, you don’t have God’s love within you. 43 I know, because I have come to you representing my Father and you refuse to welcome me, though you readily enough receive those who aren’t sent from him, but represent only themselves! 44 No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the only True God! -- READ -- John 20:17 - Jesus said -- “Don’t touch me,” he cautioned, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them that I ascend to my Father and your Father, my God and your God.” -- What and the world is WRONG with you so-called people -- Jehovah did not make Jesus an Elephant - he didn't need one on that day - Colossians 1:14-16 -- 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for through him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; - You better STOP letting that Demon TRICK you -- Genesis 3:13 -- Then the Lord God asked the woman, “How could you do such a thing?” “The serpent tricked me,” she replied. -- Psalm 91:1 -- We live within the shadow of the Almighty One , sheltered by the God who is above all gods. Jehovah is his name -- Exodus 6:2-3 - I am JEHOVAH , the ALMIGHTY ONE - who appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob-though I did not reveal my name, Jehovah, to them. - I have dozens more that tell of Jesus's Father - How does satan BLIND so EASILY -- You people are surely No bible students - and I am No WT person - that's watch tower follower - I am of another Flock - One that has NO religion - Mark 14:56 - Many false witnesses volunteered, but they contradicted each other. ---- 1 Corinthians 9:17 -- If I were volunteering my services of my own free will, then the Lord would give me a special reward; but that is not the situation, for God has picked me out and given me this sacred trust, and I have no choice. -- and this is what JEHOVAH says -- 2 Timothy 3:13 -- In fact, evil men and false teachers will become worse and worse, deceiving many, they themselves having been deceived by Satan. - Hear me -- RELIGIONS - are the enemies of mankind - The DITCH that you people have FALLEN into - Will REQUIRE a MIGHTY HAND to Lift you out - Joel 2:12 -- This is what JEHOVAH says -- “Turn to me now, while there is time. Give me all your hearts. Come with fasting, ------- WAKE UP -------- - Revelation 6:4 -- This time a red horse rode out. Its rider was given a long sword and the authority to banish peace and bring anarchy to the earth; war and killing broke out everywhere. -- NONE are so Blind -- as those who REFUSE to SEE ! ! -- 1 Timothy 2:5 -- That God is on one side and all the people on the other side, and Christ Jesus, himself man, is between them to bring them together, -- John 14:6 -- Jesus told him, “I am the Way-yes, and the Truth and the Life. No one can get to the Father except by means of me.
bOY THERE IS A LOT OF INTELLECTUAL PEOPLE WHO CANT AGRRE ON SOMETHING SO SIMPLE. LOOKING FOR 1WORD TRANSLATION AND CLEARLY MISSING THE POINT. I Have always liked this scripture :Matew 11 verse 25 jesus says in a prayer to his father: I Publicly praise you, Father Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children'' . If you dont have a humble heart you will look for a reason not to serve God; and used all king of stumbling block to do so, instead of accepting the ensemble of the scriptures , to figure out the puzzle.
If they do not get to you in these days - it will be after death that you too - will be trained correctly -- Good Luck - Keep praying for More insight - and Help -- It is the GOOD NEWS of JESUS ! ! ! - If you claim a religion - do you mind if I know which one it is -------------- HERE is what Jesus says ------------ Jeremiah 6:21 - I will make an obstacle course of the pathway of my people; fathers and sons shall be frustrated; neighbors and friends shall collapse together. -- Daniel 2:22 -- He reveals profound mysteries beyond man’s understanding. He knows all hidden things, for he is light, and darkness is no obstacle to him. - I am one who has no religion - I am of Another Flock !
Isn't it apparent. To keep their 'Jesus is God' theory afloat they need some 'proof'. So these fiddle around with the grammar of John 1:1 and there they have it! Jesus WAS God.
Which backfires because Jesus no longer IS God according to that nonsensical translation.
John himself testifies.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the SON OF GOD.”
Every other verse backfires on the 'Jesus is God' theory too.
In pagan Greek Zeus is a god. Hermes was a god. But John was a monotheist,didn't believe in a pantheon of gods, only Jehovah theos
By the way God's name is JEHOVAH. it is writtened 7000 times in the original text. Jesus who was borned to mary a virgin was conceived by the power of God: The holy spirit: which God use as his power. An angel told mary and joseph to name their child Jesus . before he was borned nobody knew that name but for thousands of years God's servants knew that God's name was JEHOVAH
WELL -- That is his English translated name -- Watch Tower people had Nothing to do with it -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale - Free masons demons are hiding in watch tower teachings - FACT !
No it wasn't my uneducated friend. Jesus is God and the word is Kurios meaning LORD . So Jehovah in the NWT actually should read Jesus.
@@FantasyVisuals -- uneducated - nobody has even asked - ahahahahahaha -- my thesis is going fairly well thank you - and i don't use the NWT - not at all - I use all the others - the KJV being the one I use the least - and as for Jesus being God - the Son of God - being his own Father - I would have to discuss what satan has done to you people - Marked you with the mark of the beast he has -- sorry for your loss my unseen acquaintance - You have been Tricked -- Genesis 3:13 -- “The serpent tricked me,” she replied.
@@user-du7pe6pm7d Oh friend. The Name jehovah eas invented four centuries before the KJV was written and the KJ says Jesus is God as did Jesus himself. Now run along and play will you ?
it is because Jehovah is the Almighty God. Jesus is His Son ang Jesus was with Jehovah when Jehovah created the earth. Jesus was the Word, meaning He is not the Creator but the Doer of what Jehovah intended to create. That is why Jesus is not as powerful as Jehovah. We also love Jesus that is why we follow what His ministry has taught us. I know you have read the Bible and I know that you knew many times Jesus always adore His Father. He always showed respect to Jehovah at all times. He never said that He is greater than His Father. He kept on saying that His Father sent him to be our savior. That the Father is greater than Him. If you really believe Jesus Christ then why can't you believe what he had said. We are not perfect, even the witnesses have committed mistakes but a true worshipper of Jehovah as the Almighty God and to His begotten Son Jesus Christ, Jehovah's witnesses always do their best not only to preach the gospel but also to show love to mankind.
Questions:
Where does scripture state Jesus was "created?"
Why did the Jews want to kill Jesus?
Matthew 11:25-27 --- 25 And Jesus prayed this prayer to His father : “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding the truth from those who think themselves so wise, and for revealing it to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for it pleased you to do it this way! . . . -- 27 “Everything has been entrusted to me by my Father. Only the Father knows the Son, and the Father is known only by the Son and by those to whom the Son reveals him. -- Exodus 34:14 -- For you must worship no other gods, but only Jehovah, for he is a God who claims absolute loyalty and exclusive devotion. -- YOU PEOPLE CAN WORSHIP JESUS IF YOU LIKE -- Even HE - WORSHIPS his FATHER -- THIS IS HIS WORDS ------ Luke 18:19 -- “Do you realize what you are saying when you call me ‘good’?” Jesus asked him. “Only Jehovah is truly good, and no one else. -- old satan -- and his religious slaves - they even Changed the letters to a different Scenario -- satan is surely a good TRICKSTER ! -- Genesis 3:13 -- Then the Almighty God asked the woman, “How could you do such a thing?” “The serpent tricked me,” she replied.
wow wonderful
Yeah lol, Satan is best trickster for sure hahaha.
Now tell me about 1914 and overlapping generations hahahaha, what a joke.
Read Matthew 1:1-17 what generation really is, but read it from King James, real Gods Word and not NWT that your org changing every 3 years
Luke 18:19 Jesus was challenging the religious leader to wake up and understand the truth that stood right in front of him. If he was calling Jesus "good," then he must come to understand that Jesus is God and not play religious games, but truly come to believe. Jesus wasn't denying that he is God; Jesus was affirming that he is God and that man truly needs to acknowledge that he is. Eternal questions are not simply religious speculation, but the core questions of the human soul. Only God can answer those questions. So if this man was going to ask Jesus this question, he needed to pay attention and place his faith in Jesus' answer.
This actually confirms Jesus is God.
@@wfqsfg ahahahahahah --- NO IT DOES NOT -- John 5:19 -- Jesus replied, “The Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing, and in the same way. - simple minded people refuse the bible Teachings - and replace it with their own silly understandings - EW - EW !
Jesus is the head of the true congregation of Jehovah God! YHVH Yehovah Jehovah!
The Apostle Paul was in a Cult!
Paul worshiped the God of Abraham!
During his trial before Felix, Paul said, “I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect” (Acts 24:14). We are also told that Felix knew about the Way (verse 22). It seems that the Romans considered the Way to be a sect rather than a religion.
Mark 9:38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
Revelation 2:23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
divine mercy i trust in you so powerful all the mighty angels and saints our blessed mother thank you for granting my prayers
There ya go praying to saints and Mary when you should be praying to the Father like Jesus, the greatest teacher that we ever had did. I never heard of him praying to his Mother, or the Angels. So why are you??
The JWs may have changed their New World Translation because in John 1:2 they now have all things created written like this. " The Word was used by God to create all other things" NWT John 1:2
John 1:2 This one was with God at the beginning.
Being WITH someone and being that someone are separate things.
@@tongakhan230 So you are saying there are "two" Gods.
@@Doris1888 There are plenty of gods. Read Exodus 20:3 and explain how that command would make any sense if there were no other gods.
@@tongakhan230 Because they really aren't "gods" because they were made by humans or are backed by demons which aren't "gods" either.
@@Doris1888 : That wasn't the question. How can God command that there should not be any other gods besides him in worship if there are no other gods.
Jesus called Jehovah the ONLY TRUE GOD at John 17:3.
The term god refers to mighty beings (cf Psalms 82:1,6). Talking about human Judges who have authority over people's lives.
Satan is a god (2 Corinthians 4:4). Jesus was a god (John 1:1) and now he is a mighty god (Isaiah 9:6, Philippians 2:9).
The important thing is that these other gods SHOULD NOT BE WORSHIPED.
Read Jesus' words to Satan on WHO ONLY SHOULD BE WORSHIPED. Matthew 4:10. It is Jehovah.
John 4:24 "God is A spirit ..."KJV Douay Version
Other translations read: "God is spirit ..."
Is God a spirit or spirit?
In John 1:3 didn't the NWT add [Other] to the scripture? All [other] things were made. There are numerous scriptures in the NWT with [ ] brackets added with words to change the context or meaning
The brackets are inserted to make sense. There is no direct word to word translations of the Greek.
No one will know what the scripture says if a word to word translation is given.
All things were created THROUGH Jesus. Someone may ask, "Did Jesus create himself?"
Logically, it means all OTHER things.
The writers of the Gospel accounts also used brackets to give meaning. See Matthew 24:15
@@tongakhan230 no they aren’t. That’s the Watchtower excuse. They’re intended to change the context and meaning of scriptures to line up with the Watchtower doctrine.
Jesus didn’t create Himself because he always existed. He is God. He created all things. The universe.
@@wfqsfg : From when did Jesus become God? Even he didn't know such a thing.
He told the Jews:
(John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD.
If I hear something from my wife, can I be my wife?
Here are Jesus own words to show that couldn't have created anything.
John 530 I CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING OF MY OWN INITIATIVE. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
Of course, if one claims to know better than Jesus, then how can anyone argue with that.
@@tongakhan230 From when did Jesus become God? Uh, um uh, hmmmm, uh um, uh, lets see, uh um. If He is God from when do you think?? No too bright??
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Logos, the Logos was with God, the Logos was God.
@@wfqsfg : That biased translation of John 1:1 tells us that Jesus (the Logos) was WITH God at some point in time. And that Jesus WAS God. Which would indicate that Jesus no longer is God.
WAS is the past tense of IS.
Wouldn't make any sense, would it.
Here is how John 1:1 is properly translated.
(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
'WAS a god' means was a mighty being. Like an ANGEL.
Certainly cannot be God himself.
If I was at the opening ceremony of the Stadium WITH my mother, logically, I cannot be my own mother, can I.
Here is a simple unambiguous scripture, scientific in essence, which clearly shows that Jesus never was God.
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Jesus certainly was SEEN.
God SAID let's make man in OUR Image
Was that God speaking to HIMSELF or God speaking to someone?
@@tongakhan230 As I said throughout the Bible God has revealed who he is Father Son Holy Spirit one eternal spirit 3 distinct persons so no God is not talking to himself / Father is talking to the Son and Holy Spirit
@@petersmith2870 : The Bible tells us to whom God was speaking.
Can one show me where it says God was talking to himself - which BTW which is a medical disorder.
@@tongakhan230 Repent from YOUR sins humble yourself before a Holy God the only way is through Jesus Christ you see Jesus said he is only way this only way to eternal life Jesus said no sinner will inherit the kingdom of God unless you repent and believe be born again through the Holy Spirit and He will make you new / Watchtower teach you get a second chance if you die in your Sins well your being decieved Jesus said if you die in your Sins you will be in eternal condemnation/ don't message me you Reject Jesus/ as I said Bible says Let no man teach you you have to go Directly to Jesus Christ
@LTL307God the Son in the flesh is saying to love YHWH (God) trinatarians don't disagree with this.
You need to let go of this hybrid name Jehovah that the Spanish Catholic monk raymunus martini made up. It's a made up name not even a proper translation. He made it up by combining YHWH with Adonai and Elohim. So it's a hybrid name - blasphemy!
the word is jesus , jesus is the first born son of God all you have to do is go to verse 14 of john1 to learn '' and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory as the only begotten from the father , full of grace and truth'' also who was jesus praying when he was on earth Himslef, and why did he atributed his miracels to God, also why in Luke chap4 would the devil show all the kingdom of the earth to Jesus saying if you make an adoration before me I will give you all these kingdom because they were given to me (Clearly by God) and i give them to whoever i chose; now the devil knows who God is ,in job chapter 1 he actually enters in a meeting of God with his Angels, so why would he propose to jesus the kingdom of the earth if Jesus is God, do you realy think the devil is an idiot proposing to God to kneel in front of him, when it was God who had given the kingdom of the earth to Satan. If you believe in the trinity which was invented by the catholic church between the 3rd and 4th century, you probably have a cofusion problem you might think that jesus is part of a trinity.The trinity does not exist in the bible it is an invention of the devil the father of lies.
It is a MADE-UP word from the catholics - To Degrade Jehovah's Powers - an Insult !
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the messengers [of God] said he at any time, you are my Son, This day I have begotten you [again]? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
6} And when He [resurrects to] bring the firstborn again into the inhabitable world He said, And let all the messengers of God worship him.
7 And of the messengers [of God] He said, “Who makes His messengers winds, And His ministers flames of fire?:
8 but to the Son He [The Father] said, Your throne, [Ho Theos] “The Almighty God,” is forever and ever; And the Scepter of good works is the Scepter of your kingdom. 9 you have agape loved [legal] works of the law, and hated works against law; Therefore God, your [Father] God, has anointed you [as The Christ] with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
The word was a god has to be the right translation otherwise the rest of John doesn't make sense. A little further on in that same chapter of John it says NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AND LIVED. How can Jesus be God? He is the Son of God not God himself.
Amen
Well said ❤❤❤
It doesn't say, "No man has seen God and lived," it says, "No one has seen God at any time,"-no exceptions.
So explain Exo 24:10 and Isa 6:1 to me. Remember, John doesn't give an exception even for visions. So explain.
Hi Kevin from Canada.
I don't understand what you mean when you saythat John doesn't make exceptions about 'seeing' Jehovah? The book of Revelation was written by John and its all visionary as are the 2 scriptures you mention. Jehovah hid Moses in rocks so that His glory could pass over Moses that is as much 'reality' as he could stand. Maybe l've missed your point? Ket me know. Thanks.
You made the point that no one has seen God, then asked how could Jesus be God.
I pointed out that John makes no exceptions for visions, but is emphatic: No one has seen God at any time.
Yet the OT says that God has been seen. JW's usually try to say that those were visionary experiences. I don't buy that they were all visionary but that doesn't matter for the argument. John doesn't allow for the exception of visions in his statement.
So either John was wrong, or he isn't meaning that no one has seen God in the same way that JW's use this verse. What do you think?
The Lords prayer also proves Jesus is not God. Notice his first words about how to prayer to God .... *"Our* Father..."
Jesus included himself in how to address God. God is his Father too...
John 20:17 New Living Translation
17“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, *‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”*
Jesus said those words *after* his resurrection back to life. Therefore he was no longer human at that point.
Yes, the Lords Prayer is VERY Trinitarian. Maybe you just dont understand the Trinity doctrine. 🤷🏽♂
@@srich7503 Jesus said he was separate from God and supported by him. Jesus used the Mosaic law to prove it...
Deuteronomy 19:15 English Standard Version
*“A single witness shall not suffice against a person* for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. *Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses* shall a charge be established.
John 5:31 New International Version
*31“If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 32There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true.*
John 8:16-18 New International Version
16But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. *I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses* is true. *18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”*
When a person has a mug shot/photo when taken in custody - They get 3 sides - Left, facing, Right. Does that make them 3 in 1 or the same person?
Jesus DISTINCTLY separated himself from God, his Father. And that was why he prayed to him - The Son needed his father's support.
Luke 22:41-44 New Living Translation
41He walked away, about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed, *42“Father,* if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. *Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” 43Then an angel from heaven appeared and strengthened him.* 44He prayed more fervently, and he was in such agony of spirit that his sweat fell to the ground like great drops of blood.e
Hebrews 5:7 New Living Translation
*While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers* and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. *And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for God.*
The bible makes it VERY clear that Jehovah and Jesus are Father and Son...not 3 intertwined mystical beings.
John 17:3 New Living Translation
And this is the way to have eternal life- *to know you, the only true God,* and *Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.*
Matthew 3:16,17 New Living Translation
16After his baptism, as *Jesus came up out of the water,* the heavens were openedg and he saw *the Spirit of God descending like a dove* and settling on him. 17And a *voice from heaven said, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.”*
*Notice all 3 are mentioned separately:*
1) Jesus on earth as a human
2) God in heaven speaking to his Son...
3) Holy spirit coming down in the appearance of a dove...
And in Lukes account it adds the added detail that Jesus was praying. Who's he praying to if he is God? Well God was in heaven... *so Jesus was obviously praying to his Father,* not a version of himself. *God acknowledged Jesus as his Son.*
Luke 3:21,22 New Living Translation
The Baptism of Jesus
21One day when the crowds were being baptized, *Jesus himself was baptized. As he was praying,* the heavens opened, *22and the Holy Spirit, in bodily form, descended on him like a dove.* And a *voice from heaven said, “You are my dearly loved Son,* and you bring me great joy.g”
@@srich7503 Also, *it was ones who opposed Jesus that said that he claimed to be God. Jesus himself said he was God's Son* and was following his Father's instructions...
John 10:22-25, 31-33, 36,37 New Living Translation
*Jesus Claims to Be the Son of God*
22It was now winter, and Jesus was in Jerusalem at the time of Hanukkah, the Festival of Dedication. 23He was in the Temple, walking through the section known as Solomon’s Colonnade. 24The people surrounded him and asked, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25Jesus replied, “I have already told you, and you don’t believe me. The proof is the work I do in my Father’s name.
31Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. *32Jesus said, “At my Father’s direction I have done many good works.* For which one are you going to stone me?”
33They replied, “We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! *You, a mere man, claim to be God.”*
*36why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’?* After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world. 37Don’t believe me unless I carry out my Father’s work.
The Trinity is nowhere in Scripture and therefore is not a belief I need to understand. In fact, it cannot be understood because it's not from God...
@mo2874
Have to understand the difference between WHAT is God and WHO is God.
The WHAT was revealed in the Old Testament (Watchtower gets this right):
- the one divine being revealed to Moses (I AM),
- the God of Abraham,
- YHWH,
- or Jehovah.
WHO God is, was revealed in the New Testament:
- three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Question: Why did the Jews want to kill Jesus?
@@TruthHasSpoken As to *what* and *who* God is...
Isaiah 44:6 New Living Translation
6This is what the LORD says-Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD of Heaven’s Armies: *“I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.*
John 4:24 New Living Translation
*For God is Spirit,* so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”
Genesis 18:25 New Living Translation
Surely you wouldn’t do such a thing, destroying the righteous along with the wicked. Why, you would be treating the righteous and the wicked exactly the same! Surely you wouldn’t do that! *Should not the Judge of all the earth do what is right?”*
Revelation 4:11 New Living Translation
“You are worthy, O Lord our God, to receive glory and honor and power. *For you created all things, and they exist because you created what you pleased.”*
Psalms 83:18 King James Bible
That men may know that thou, *whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.*
Psalms 97:9 American Standard Version
For thou, *Jehovah, art most high above all the earth: Thou art exalted far above all gods.*
These Jehovah's witnesses turned our Father's house into a marketplace.
Marketplace is to do with commerce. Wouldn't it be the churches that are involved in it?
JWs literature which they print at their own cost is given FREE. Obeying Jesus' words:
Matthew 10:8....You received free, give free.
@tongakhan230 was the literature always free?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : Initially it was subsidized by requesting a contribution from the householder.
Those who couldn't give a cash contribution gave some produce from their gardens. The publisher (JW) had to pay out of his own pocket for the printing costs.
Now it is totally free. All printed using voluntary donations and Witnesses working without a salary.
The website is available in over 1,000 languages. All downloads are FREE. No monetary subscriptions or adverts anywhere to raise money.
@@tongakhan230 Are you saying that JW did not make a profit from literature sales?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : If one knows how much it costs to print and distribute literature, one wouldn't be asking such a question.
JWs are Jesus only Disciples on earth today. They follow Jesus' command.
Matthew 10:8....You received free, give free.
How can giving something FREE make a profit?
The following verses are self-explanatory:
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
Mark 10:18 ►
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone.
Hebrews " the throne is yours o
God forever and ever ". That's refering to Jesus.its not hard bro. .
@@FantasyVisualsThat's not the correct translation. Oxford professor and famous trinitarian Bible translator, Dr. James Moffatt, has been described as “probably the greatest biblical scholar of our day.” His respected Bible translation renders Heb. 1:8 as:
“God is thy throne for ever and ever.”
University of Cambridge professor and noted New Testament language scholar, Dr. C. F. D. Moule writes that Heb. 1:8 may be “construed so as to mean Thy throne is God” - p. 32, An Idiom Book of New Testament Greek, Cambridge University Press, 1990 printing.
An American Translation (Smith-Goodspeed), renders it: “God is your throne....”
And The Bible in Living English (Byington) reads: “God is your throne....”
Another world-acclaimed scholar of trinitarian Christendom has translated this verse similarly and made some interesting comments. Trinitarian Dr. William Barclay,
“world-renowned Scottish New Testament interpreter, was noted as a profound scholar and a writer of extraordinary gifts .... He was the minister of Trinity Church, Renfrew, Scotland, and, later, Professor of Divinity and Biblical Criticism at the University of Glasgow.”
Dr. Barclay, in his translation of the New Testament, has also rendered Hebrews 1:8 as : “God is your throne for ever and ever.” But worse yet (for those wishing for evidence of a trinity from the Book of Hebrews), Dr. Barclay comments as follows:
“The letter [of Hebrews] was written to a Church which had had great days and great teachers and leaders.” - p. 6. “Moreover, it was obviously written to a scholarly group [who] ... had long been under instruction and were preparing themselves to become teachers of the Christian faith.” - p. 7.
And just what was this passage that includes Heb. 1:8 (Heb. 1:4-14) intended to prove to this group of long-term dedicated Christian scholars?
“[The author] is concerned to prove [Jesus’] SUPERIORITY OVER THE ANGELS.” - p. 16, The Letter to the Hebrews, Revised Edition, 1976, The Westminster Press.
Yes, this world-acclaimed trinitarian scholar has (perhaps inadvertently) illuminated the truth of the doctrine of God which was understood by first-century Christians! They had absolutely no concept of the 3-in-one God idea which was developed in later centuries (see the HIST study). IF these learned 1st century Christians had really considered Jesus “equally God” (as 4th century Christendom began doing), it certainly would have been nonsensical for the writer of Hebrews to attempt to prove that Jesus was superior to all other angels!
If the Son was the firstborn of all creations, then it means the Son was CREATED first. God can't be created. God is eternal. So the Son can't be God in this case. I'm not a JW but I also have doubts about the Trinity doctrine. One God, the Father (YHWH), one Lord (Jesus). I think in this case the God is above the Lord which means the Father is above the Son. The Son is divine, but the Son is not God, the Son is the Lord, the second most power being in the universe.
@@Sean-gio2 firstborn doesn't mean created . I'm sorry it's beyond your limited understanding. Jesus created ALL things - so let's look at genesis 1:1 " . In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ".
It's not hard . You believe he's created if you want , fair play to you. But Jesus says different. Keep calling him a liar 🐍
@@FantasyVisuals How does Genesis 1:1 indicate Jesus is God? If firstborn does not mean created, then what is it? Doesn't firstborn mean the first one to be born? God can't be born, He has no beginning or end, He is eternal. Your explanation is farfetched. I'm not calling Jesus liar or anything, I respect Jesus as the Messiah and Lord. But I'm just skeptical of the Trinity. All I can see is that Jesus assisted God during the creation of everything else but he is not equal with God Himself. Also, I think we are discussing a theological topic. Saying "sorry it's beyond your limited understanding" and "keep calling him liar" to other people is rude and a personal attack. Especially your own explanation makes no sense. Discussing doesn't mean you have to be rude. I hope you can understand.
The context clearly shows The Word is God's direct Son from heaven...
John chapter 1 is showing Jesus identity....he wasn't just some random guy, *he was the Messiah. The Messiah was identified at his baptism...*
John 1:1,14,15,29-31 New Living Translation
Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word
1In the beginning the Word already existed. *The Word was with God,* and the Word was God.
*14So the Word became humand and made his home among us.* He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.e *And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.*
15John testified about him when he shouted to the crowds, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘Someone is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’”
Jesus, the Lamb of God
29The next day *John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30He is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘A man is coming after me who is far greater than I am,* for he existed long before me.’ *31I did not recognize him as the Messiah, but I have been baptizing with water so that he might be revealed to Israel.”*
32Then John testified, “I saw the Holy Spirit descending like a dove from heaven and resting upon him. 33I didn’t know he was the one, *but when God sent me to baptize with water, he told me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34I saw this happen to Jesus, so I testify that he is the Chosen One of God.l”*
**So God sent John the baptiser ahead of Jesus in order to publicly identify him as the Son of man/Messiah at his baptism.**
The bible clearly goes on to show that Jesus fulfilled Daniel 7. **The Son of man had to go to heaven at some point before God himself...**
Daniel 7:13,14 Amplified Bible
*The Son of Man Presented*
13“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, [c] *on the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.*
*14“And to Him (the Messiah) was given dominion (supreme authority), Glory and a kingdom,* That all the peoples, nations, and speakers of every language Should serve and worship Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
**Notice that the "Son of man"/The Messiah/Jesus is presented in heaven to someone older and greater than him....the Ancient of Days.**
Mark 14:61,62 New Living Translation
61But Jesus was silent and made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, *“Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”*
*62Jesus said, “I Am.* i And *you will see the Son of Man seated in the place of power at God’s right hand* j and coming on the clouds of heaven.k”
After his death and resurrection there are 10+ Scriptures showing Jesus as separate to his father in heaven. Jesus at this point was no longer human. *Jesus also said he had a God, and again this was after his resurrection...*
John 20:17,27,28 New Living Translation
17“Don’t cling to me,” *Jesus said,* “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, *‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”*
Mark 16:19 New Living Translation
When the *Lord Jesus had finished talking with them, he was taken up into heaven and sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand.*
Luke 22:69 New Living Translation
But from now on *the Son of Man will be seated in the place of power at God’s right hand.”*
Acts 2:33 New Living Translation
*Now he is exalted to the place of highest honor in heaven, at God’s right hand.* And the Father, as he had promised, gave him the Holy Spirit to pour out upon us, just as you see and hear today.
Acts 7:55 New Living Translation
But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed steadily into heaven and saw the glory of God, *and he saw Jesus standing in the place of honor at God’s right hand.*
Jesus destroys all Gods enemies at some point after his resurrection back to heaven. Notice he is referred to as *the Word* again...but this time in heaven and after his resurrection...
Revelation 19:10-16 New Living Translation
10Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers and sistersc who testify about their faith in Jesus. Worship only God. For the essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus.d”
*The Rider on the White Horse*
*11Then I saw heaven opened,* and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war. 12His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself. 13He wore a robe dipped in blood, *and his title was the Word of God.* 14The armies of heaven, dressed in the finest of pure white linen, followed him on white horses. 15From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress. 16On his robe at his thighe was written this title: King of all kings and Lord of all lords.
Not only this but the rulership God gave him in Daniel 7 is returned to God when he had accomplished destroying God's enemies and restoring mankind to a perfect relationship with God. So Jesus rules mankind on behalf of God/his father for a short time. *Jesus unites mankind back to their heavenly Father God. It's like a close family living together in a home. Once this is accomplished Jesus steps back.*
1 Timothy 2:5 New Living Translation
For, There is one God and *one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity-the man Christ Jesus.*
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 New Living Translation
*24After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet.* 26And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”e *(Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.*
Revelation 21:3,4 New Living Translation
3I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, *“Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.a 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain.* All these things are gone forever.”
As Gods own Son, the only one directly created by God himself, Jesus is correctly *a God* ...just like the young of any being/creature is an offspring (The young of a Lion is *A cub* , The young of a human is *A baby* etc)
John 10:31-39 New Living Translation
31Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. 32Jesus said, “At my Father’s direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?”
33They replied, *“We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God.”*
34Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scripturese that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’f 35And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’ *36why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.* 37Don’t believe me unless I carry out my Father’s work.
Jesus never claimed to be God, he said God was his Father and he was his Son.
You cited the NLT, so try reading it. Who does John say the Word is in John 1:1?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Most Translations say that...but that doesn't work contextually. It's clear by looking at the entire bible that verse is purposely mistranslated...
To demonstrate, try and reconcile these Scriptures:
Now notice the contradiction in John 1:1 and 1:14,18 New King James Version
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, *and the Word was God.*
*14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld* His glory, the glory as of *the only begotten of the Father,* full of grace and truth.
*18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [h]Son, who is in the bosom of the Father,* He has declared Him.
John 6:45-47 New International Version
45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ d *Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.* 47Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
Amplified Bible
*Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He [who was with the Father and] who is from God; He [alone] has seen the Father.*
1 John 4:12 Amplified Bible
*No one has seen God at any time.* But if we love one another [with unselfish concern], God abides in us, and His love [the love that is His essence abides in us and] is completed and perfected in us.
John 20:17 Amplified Bible
*Jesus said to her,* “Do not hold Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and tell them, *‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”*
1 John 4:14 New Living Translation
Furthermore, *we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son* to be the Savior of the world.
So has anyone seen God? Yes...ONLY the one who came from heaven, Jesus (God's son who was with his Father). So could Jesus be God on earth if people saw him? No.
When Jesus died who brought Jesus back to life? And to whom did Jesus go back to?
Romans 8:11 New Living Translation
The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. *And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead,* he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.
Acts 2:24 New International Version
*But God raised him from the dead,* freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
Acts 10:40 New Living Translation
but *God raised him to life on the third day. Then God allowed him to appear,*
1 Peter 1:21 New Living Translation
Through Christ you have come to trust in God. And you have placed your faith and hope in *God because he raised Christ from the dead* and gave him great glory.
1 Corinthians 6:14 New Living Translation
And *God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.*
2 Corinthians 4:14 New Living Translation
We know that *God, who raised the Lord Jesus,* will also raise us with Jesus and present us to himself together with you.
Colossians 2:12 New Living Translation
For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of *God, who raised Christ from the dead.*
Ephesians 1:20 New International Version
he exerted *when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand* in the heavenly realms,
So after his death, resurrection and return to heaven...where is Jesus in relation to God? At his right hand....
Mark 16:19 New Living Translation
When the Lord Jesus had finished talking with them, *he was taken up into heaven and sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand.*
1 Peter 3:22 New Living Translation
Now *Christ has gone to heaven. He is seated in the place of honor next to God,* and all the angels and authorities and powers accept his authority.
You're attempting to snow me with a lot of verses because you can't deal with the context of John 1.
In John 1, John is stating that the Word is eternal (already existing when the beginning took place), the Word is distinct from God (the Word was with God), and the Word is identified as God (the Word was God).
How can the Word be distinct from God and be God at the same time? Because God subsists in more than one person.
The Word equals God.
God does not equal the Word, because God equals the Father, the Son (the Word), and the Holy Spirit.
John understood that, which is why he wrote John 1:1 to express that idea. Most translations say, "the Word was God," because that's what the Greek says.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Answer the question...has any human apart from Jesus seen God at any time?
No one has seen God in his fullness, in his essence at anytime-including angels! The reason the Son has seen God is because he is God, the second person of the triune God.
But people have seen God when he has condescended to allow people to see him (Exo 24:10, Isa 6:1, etc.).
Tell me, did the religious leaders crucify the invisible man, or did they see Jesus?
There is no indefinite article in the Greek language. ( a) God
The people who made that translation did not know Greek .
Theology comes from combining two Greek words: theos, meaning God, and logos, meaning word or rational thought.
[The Word is Elohim from Genesis 1]
(not to be confused with Yahweh Elohim from Genesis 2)
Compare John 1: 1-5 with Genesis 1: 1-5:
John 1: 1-5
Names of God Bible
The Word Becomes Human
1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was already with God in the beginning.
3 Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him.
4 He was the source of life, and that life was the light for humanity.
5 The light shines in the dark, and the dark has never extinguished it.
Genesis 1: 1-5
Names of God Bible
The Creation
1 In the beginning Elohim created heaven and earth.
2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Ruach Elohim was hovering over the water.
3 Then Elohim said, “Let there be light!” So there was light. 4 Elohim saw the light was good. So Elohim separated the light from the darkness. 5 Elohim named the light day, and the darkness he named night. There was evening, then morning-the first day.
Jw's say Christ created all other things. Asks a witness what actually Christ created
I am no greek scholar either but how can the Word be God if he is WITH God? It doesnt make sense. Also the title Father Son denote two separate, unequal individuals. Surely this is common sense. I have never read in the NT 'God the Son' it is always written as 'Son of God' Jesus is always given authority whether in heaven or on earth....given various names higher than the angels.....subjects himself to his God and Father...... what am I misreading or understanding here? Trinity is a man made theory which does nothing but confuse and mislead ppl.
The Trinity doctrine was given to us by the Holy Spirit as was the Bible itself and was promulgated by the same Catholic/Orthodox bishops…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503 Thank you for your informative reply. All I can say is from the time of Moses scrolls were written. Jesus himself said John 17v17 Gods word is truth. of course there was the great apostasy when the ppl were in the grip of the latin catholic church. Only the reformation and guys like Luther and Wesley gave ppl a chance to read in their own language. Scholars have since seen many spurious texts and frankly the only religions I know of who worship triune gods were Egyptians Babylonians. Somehow, your Church Fathers decided to incorporate this false teaching. I think at that time it was Constantine who was basically pagan & last minute converted to 'Christianity' to appease most of his domain he included summer soltice/saternalia into the christian theology. Anyway, at the end of the day, we each make our own choices on the matter and pray that the Father will draw us to His Son John6v43-47 agape
@@meisie62 if “thats all you can say” then so be it but history dont lie yet ppl do and you have been duped… If you want to continue believing myths thats on you but you might want to look int actual history like what i posted above and the following facts that dispute your claim about what the Catholic church allowed as to the Bible not only being translated into the common languages well before your claim but some of those that did are considered saints in the church…
Other than Jerome’s Latin Vulgate in 385, there was also these-
680 - Caedmon of Whitby, known for the earliest “old english” interpretation (in part) of the scriptures. He is listed as a saint in the church.
700 - Aldhelm [Eadhelm] bishop of Sherborne, another saint of the church, published the Psalms in old english
710 - Guthlac, hermit near Peterborough
735 - Venerable Bede’s work
820 - Bishop Egbert
864 - Saints Cyril and Methodius (Slavic complete ??)
880 - Saint King Alfred the Great partial work
1002 - Archbishop Ælfric
1186 - Miroslav Gospel (Siberian)
1335 - The Royal Tetraevangelia (Bulgarian 4 gospels)
" how can the Word be God if he is WITH God?"
Have to understand the difference between WHAT is God and WHO is God.
The WHAT was revealed in the Old Testament (Watchtower gets this right):
- the one divine being revealed to Moses (I AM),
- the God of Abraham,
- YHWH,
- or Jehovah.
WHO God is, was revealed in the New Testament:
- three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Comparatively, one would say, “what meisie62 is a human being, and who meisie62 is one person.”
"Also the title Father Son denote two separate, unequal individuals. "
Sonship is speaking in part, to having the same nature, Divine. Just as meisie62 - assuming you have a son or daughter, they are of the same nature as you, human.
"subjects himself to his God and Father."
He is in one will with the father.
"Trinity is a man made theory"
It is implicit, not explicit in scripture.
Question: WHY did the Jews want to kill Jesus?
LET me REPEAT myself for those of you who are thinking so loud you can Not read ------- John 5:19 -- Jesus replied, “The Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing, and in the same way. --------- the WHIRLWIND is here ------------- JEHOVAH COMES -------------- GET THEE PREPARED -------- and I am one who does Not belong to that watch tower ------------------- I am of Another Flock -
MANY people on Earth Believed Jesus is God.
FEW people on Earth Believed Jesus in NOT God.
Then Jesus said:
Mat 7:22-23
"MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Jer 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.
Question:
Who are those people that will be SLAIN by God, the MANY or the FEW ?
Where do you belong ?
Isa 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and FEW men left.
Question:
Who are those FEW ?
"MANY people on Earth Believed Jesus is God.
FEW people on Earth Believed Jesus in NOT God."
*The truth differs. According to "Statista" a company specializing in global data and statistics :*
ONLY 31% of the world is Christian (relatively few)
Which means 69% is non Christian (the many)
*According to Pew Research, another statistics company, the data says*
ONLY 32% (rounding up) of the world is Christian (relatively few)
Which means 68% is non Christian (the many)
So, WHO are the few? Answer is : Christians.
This is just textbook ignorance teaching
have you said no to the God of Jesus?
You are twisting the words of your own religion to falsely twist them to place in usage upon individuals, that you have probably never met face to face with. Though you say your words can define their word.
Watchtowers Kingdom Interlinear translates John 1:1 perfectly. No "a god." Watchtower says of the Interlinear: *_“a very literal, word-for-word rendering of what the Greek actually says according to the basic meaning and grammatical form of each word. This enables even students who cannot read Greek to find out what is actually in the original Greek text”_* (Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 610).
It says being the very nature God talking about Christ . See Phi 2 : 6
(John 10:31-36) Once again the Jews picked up stones to stone him. 32 Jesus replied to them: “I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?” 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came-and yet the scripture cannot be nullified- 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
Jesus refers to Psalms 82 and asks if mighty humans are called gods what was wrong with he claiming to be God's SON. NOT GOD.
John 1:1 'and the Word was a god' is the correct translation. It is talking about Jesus' pre-human existence while he was WITH God. This same mighty being is the one whom God SENT to become the human Messiah. (Galatians 4:4).
@LTL307 : Jesus' answer to Satan also clearly shows that Jesus was not God. When asked by Satan to do an act or worship to him, which would have derailed God's purpose:
(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and IT IS TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’”
Jesus was quoting from the Law. The 'to HIM alone' is obviously about a third person and not Jesus.
Jesus is The Way to Almighty God YHVH Yehovah Jehovah The God of Abraham!
The Apostle Paul was in a Cult!
Paul worshiped the God of Abraham!
During his trial before Felix, Paul said, “I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect” (Acts 24:14). We are also told that Felix knew about the Way (verse 22). It seems that the Romans considered the Way to be a sect rather than a religion.
Mark 9:38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
Revelation 2:23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
Paul was not in a cult, but it seems like you are unfortunately in one.
@PunkDogCreations
Sect or cult, is there a difference!
Are Jehovah’s Witnesses the synagogue of Satan! Do they represent the House of David!
Revelation 3:9 Look! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are [Christians]Jews yet are not, but are lying-look! I will make them come and bow before your feet and make them know that I have loved you. 10 Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth. 11 I am coming quickly. Keep holding fast to what you have, so that no one may take your crown. 12 “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the churches.’
@PunkDogCreations
Those Who Worship the God of Abraham!
YHVH! Yehovah! Jehovah!
There was only one true Faith. Paul was in the sect The Way. Paul worshiped the God of Abraham! Revelation 2:2 ‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot tolerate bad men, and that you put to the test those who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them to be liars.
Revelation 2:6 Still, you do have this in your favor: that you hate the deeds of the sect of Nic·o·laʹus, which I also hate.
Revelation 2:15 In the same way, you also have those adhering to the teaching of the sect of Nic·o·laʹus. 16 So repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war against them with the long sword of my mouth.
The Legend of the Sword!
The Ice Age and The Great Sword
How about the myth of King Arthur after The Roman Empire made Christianity the State Religion.
By using their image the Cross and Trinity teaching. Which is sun, moon and star worship. Revelation 17:17 The skies became darkened. In AD 539, the first of three massive volcanic eruptions ushered in a ice age. It coincided with an epidemic of the plague, the decline of the eastern Roman Empire, and sweeping upheavals across Eurasia.
The 2nd seal of Revelation 6:5 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say: “Come!” 4 Another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword. 🗡
With the land bridge frozen to the Americas. Britain became the 7th Kingdom of Revelation. So what year did this Kingdom become the Wild Beast with two horns. The false prophet and wild beast arrived with the Great War of 1914.
Revelation 13:11
Perusing this thread all the arguments for and against Matt7v21,22 comes to mind. All those that come in Jesus name is this not a warning.
True! The MANY who claim to be Christian are workers of lawlessness according to Jesus (Matt 7:23). It is only the FEW who would be doing God's Will (vs 21). Compare Matt 7:13,14.
@@tongakhan230 tks for yr answer. John5v42,43 Jesus comes in Yahweh's name not his own name. So I wonder whether it is more accurate to come in the name of Jehovah/YHWH/Yahweh than Jesus. Re Mat 7v21,22.....is a warning? John 17v3 He says to 'know God & his Son Christ for everlasting life'. I think this is the problem they don't really get to know who exactly the Father is....the focus is mainly on the Son. Obviously very important as our salvation lies with Him but overall all creation whether angelic or human ultimately belong to the Almighty Father Yahweh. what do you think?
@@meisie62 : Isaiah 43:10 is about Jehovah's Witnesses. They declare God's ONENESS as the prophecy makes out.
The fact there is only a people known by the name Jehovah and not by Yahweh makes it obvious that God has no problem with that form of his name.
There is only ONE God. The Father.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually TO US ONE GOD, THE FATHER, from whom all things are and we for him; AND there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
Jesus is the one God SENT from heaven (Galatians 4:4). Namely, an angel. That is why he is called a SON of God (compare Job 1:6).
'and the Word (Jesus) WAS a god' is the correct translation of John 1:1.
Angels are mighty beings.
Jesus is very important to True Christians. However, they only worship Jehovah, the God Jesus too worshiped.
(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’”
@@tongakhan230 tks absolutely agree
The trinity is a pagan teaching.
Sacrifice is pagan.
Gods are pagan.
Spiritual beings are pagan.
What isn't pagan?
The "pagan" claim is a way for JWs to shut down conversation so they don't have to look at what the Bible teaches. It allows them to shut their brain off and let the GB fill it with whatever nonsense they desire.
The Trinity doctrine was given to us by the Holy Spirit as was the Bible itself and was promulgated by the same Catholic/Orthodox bishops…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
This is deceptive. That is not the reason that “a” is used in John 1:1. It is not just because there is no definite article.
Jim, how can this be deceptive? This is the reason given on the official Jehovah's Witness website. www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/bible-verses/john-1-1/
"Fact: While many Bible translators render the verse this way, others see the need to render it differently. In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different. In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence."
Please state why you feel the best way to translate John 1:1 as "a god" if not for grammatical reasons.
Correct, not many people know that
@@hambdencongregationalchurc737 Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was.
Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks ...When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like
@@hambdencongregationalchurc737 In English that is not good grammar and makes no sense.................Now in Koine Greek there is NO indefinite article, that is the word "A" however the context and the fact that John uses Theos in connection with Jesus and "Ho-theos" in connection with his father Jehovah shows that John was not identifying WHO the word was but rather WHAT the word was
@@hambdencongregationalchurc737 The reason why Jesus is "a god" is because that is what he is "A GOD" You have to understand that in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days !
And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ?
To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking)
1 God takes his place in the divine assembly;
In the middle of the gods* he judges:
And Vs 6
“I have said, ‘You are gods,
All of you are sons of the Most High.
Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " !
Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ?
So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son?
JW's teach there is no hell but the following proves differently.
Jesus Himself Speaks About Hell And How Not To Go There:
In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus describes a rich man that lived lavishly and a poor beggar man named Lazarus. It came to pass that Lazarus died and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom. The rich man died, was buried, then went to hell. 23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in TORMENT, saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented IN THIS FLAME. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received good things, and likewise Lazarus received evil things, but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they which would pass from hence to you can not, neither can they pass to us, and would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray you therefore father, that you would send him to my father’s house. 28 For I have 5 brothers that he may testify unto them, lest also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay father Abraham, but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
LOCATION OF HELL: Jesus said in Matthew 12:40, ”For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH.” Paul said in Ephesians 4:9, ”Now that he ascended, was it but that he also DESCENDED into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.”
HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE: Jesus said in Luke 16:24,”….Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue for I am TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME.”
Jesus said in Matthew 13:42,”And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE, there shall be WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” Jesus said in Matthew 25:41,”Then shall he also say to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.”
Jesus said in Revelation 20:15,”And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.”
HELL IS A PLACE OF TORMENT: Jesus said in Luke 16:23,”And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENT….” 24 …..for I am TORMENTED in this flame.” Jesus said in Revelation 14:11,”And the smoke of their TORMENT ascended up FOR EVER AND EVER, and they have no rest day or night….” Jesus said in Mark 9:45-46,”And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off, it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED. 46 Where their WORM DIES NOT, and the fire is not quenched.” Note that it doesn’t say “THE Worm”, it says “THEIR WORM” dies not. Jesus said in Revelation 21:8,”But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, which is the second death.” Note that Brimstone is Sulfur and burns with a very strong odor of rotten eggs.
The scriptures above prove when a person goes to hell they will constantly see hell, constantly smell hell, constantly feel the heat of hell, will constantly breath hell, will constantly hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth of others in hell, will constantly be aware of their own worms, they will have no rest day or night, there is no way out and it will continue for ever and ever, they can’t die because they are already dead.
The following is how to not go there and it is a SIMPLE AND EASY thing to do:
All of the book of Acts is what Jesus disciples said what we must to be SAVED - meaning not go to hell, which is repentance, water baptism in Jesus NAME, (Not the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) and being baptized with the Holy Ghost. Jesus said in Mark 16:16,"He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be SAVED, but he that believes not shall be damned."
At about that same time He said in Matthew 28:19,"Go therefore and teach all nations BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name and not name's) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost." Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Jesus disciples never used those words when they baptized anyone in water, nor did they use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. Every time they invoked Jesus NAME at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16.
Jesus said in John 3:3-7,"Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man BE BORN AGAIN, he can not see the kingdom of God. 5 Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 7 Marvel not that I say unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN." Being born of water is being baptized in water which is for the REMISSION OF SINS - meaning the INITIAL remission of sins and not the confessing of sins later addressed in 1 John 1:9. Being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost. What being baptized with the Holy Ghost means is addressed in Acts 2:3-4, (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5 - which is when the Spirit of Christ initially dwells in a person. Nowhere in Scripture does it say it happens any other way than that way. There is not one Scripture that says a person receives the Holy Ghost just because they are a believer. Acts 19:1-5 is a good example.
Paul said in Romans 8:9-11,”But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, HE IS NONE OF HIS."
Numbers 23:19, ”God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent, has he said and shall he not do it? And shall he not make it good?”
Malachi 3:6,”For I am the Lord, I change not...”
Hebrews 13:8,”Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” That means there is no reason to think that Jesus will make an exception and save someone that has not been baptized in water in Jesus NAME, and has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not baptized yet Jesus told him he would be in paradise with him that day. Jesus had not given the COMMANDMENT to be baptized in HIS NAME until after he had risen from the dead and before he ascended into heaven. The thief on the cross could not have been baptized because he did not know about it.
if you do what Jesus said above in Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:19, and John 3:3-7, you will be making SURE your name is Written In Lamb's Book Of Life.
If you are convinced you need to get baptized in water in Jesus Name do a search and type in "United Pentecostal Church International", scroll down to just below the red box, type in your zip code, a screen will show a Church near you that will do that.
Jesus said John 10:27, ”My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
I wonder if they had a telephone between heaven and hell to speak. Can a drop of water on a finger reduce flames. It would be soaked up and dissolved in a second. This is symbolic friend. Hell is the grave of mankind, nobody wants to go there...none of us want to die we want to live.
Discussing John 1: 1 with Witnesses is difficult. Better to discuss Isaiah 6 in light of John 12, using Watchtower's New World Translation. Isaiah 6 is Isaiah's vision of Jehovah on his throne. Witnesses will agree with this. John though attributes Isaiah’s vision to Isaiah having seen Jesus. Jesus is the HIM, HE, HIS below. The authorities feared the Pharisees because they believed Jesus was God. The authorities would not have feared the Pharisees for believing in Watchtower's Jehovah God, nor would they have feared getting kicked out of the temple. John's whole point is Jesus IS God, the God Isaiah saw.
36 ... When JESUS had said this, HE departed and hid himself from them.
37 Though HE had done so many signs before them, yet they did not believe in HIM;
38 it was that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed our report, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe. For Isaiah again said,
40 “HE has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart lest they should see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and turn for me to heal them.”
41 Isaiah said this because he saw HIS glory and spoke of HIM.
42 Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in HIM, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
No Jew would believe a human can be God. They know Exodus 33:20.
Paul states that God only used Jesus in the First Century. Hebrews 1:2.
@@tongakhan230 "No Jew would believe a human can be God"
Prior to Christ this was true. Then a great number of Jews converted to Christianity, believing Jesus was God. Note, you did not explain why it is John attributes who Isaiah saw to his having seen Jesus. John is making the point, Jesus is God.
@@TruthHasSpoken : This may help.
Words of John the Baptist (a Jew) who was the promised Elijah (Malachi 4:5).
Matthew 11:2 But John, having heard in jail about the works of the Christ, sent his disciples 3 to ask him: “Are you the Coming One, or are we to expect A DIFFERENT ONE?”
Could DIFFERENT ONE refer to the ONLY TRUE GOD, or to someone God would SEND?
Here are Jesus' own words to show he was NOT THE SENDER, who was God.
(John 4:34) Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of HIM WHO SENT ME and to finish HIS WORK.
Ever heard of an ENVOY Someone who is SENT by an Authority to carry out that Authority's instructions.
Jesus is always show by God's SIDE. Never as God himself.
Acts 7:55 But he (ie. Stephen), being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING AT God’s right hand,
If there seems to be some scripture which contradicts Jesus' words, please let me know.
@@tongakhan230 You still have not addressed why John attributes who Isaiah saw as Jesus.
Let's recap
1. Isaiah 6 - Isaiah sees who? Answer: Jehovah
2. John 12 - John attributes who Isaiah saw ... to seeing Jesus.
3. the authorities would NOT have feared the Pharisees for believing in Jehovah.
4. The authorities would not have feared getting kicked out of the synagogue for believing in Jehovah.
5. Rather, they feared because they believed in Jesus.
Question: Who raised the body of Jesus, an act that ONLY God can do??
"Jesus STANDING AT God’s right hand,"
Note, the verse never states Jesus is too, not God. Read a few verses further. _59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”_
Stephen prayed to Jesus.
Question: Do you pray to Jesus?
@@TruthHasSpoken : WHAT!!!! Stephen prayed to Jesus? Was he a Christian or a Trinitarian?
Acts 7:59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
Luke 23:42 Then he (the man dying alongside Jesus) said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.”
Does one know the difference of what making a request FROM and praying TO is?
Still waiting for an answer. I've been given enough of tours of unrelated incidents.
How is God's holy spirit God HIMSELF.
Is Tommy's book, Tommy himself? Or something that belongs to Tommy.
How does God distribute himself among humans?
Other Bibles That Render John 1:1c "a god"
The NWT is not the only Bible to render John 1:1c as "a god". Actually, there are many Bibles that render John 1:1 as "a God" or it's equivalent:
1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text.
1864: “and a god was the word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.
1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.
1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.
1958: “and the Word was a God.” The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek.
1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.
1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.
Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3.
Origen's Commentary on John is "the first great work of Christian interpretation." Origen was certainly the most knowledgeable about NT (koine) Greek of any scholar. He studied it from early childhood and even taught it professionally from his teens onward. And this was during a time when it was a living language and, of course, well understood. - The Ante-Nicene Fathers, pp. 291-294, vol. X, Eerdmans Publ., 1990 printing.
There are not many wrong .
they just want to hammer JW and the NWT. In fact it has been noted that it is an excellent translation easily understood. Prof Beduhn had it noted...boy did he get flack!
Nonsense , your deceiving yourself the New World is a totally bogus translation .@@meisie62
@@meisie62you guys are hilarious
Here is Jesus Christ quoting the Messianic Psalm 2 about someone other than himself:
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Revelation 2:26-27
And to him that conquers and observes my deeds down to the end I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he shall shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels ** THE SAME ** as I have received from my Father
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A man with THE SAME authority as Jesus Christ!
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Therefore Jesus Christ is not the Almighty God.
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The Trinity mathematics does not work if you put faith in what Jesus Christ said!
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Read Psalm 2 and convince yourself that it is about a king!
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You have to understand that in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days !
And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ?
To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking)
1 God takes his place in the divine assembly;
In the middle of the gods* he judges:
And Vs 6
“I have said, ‘You are gods,
All of you are sons of the Most High.
Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " !
Did you know Moses too was called
the SAHIDIC COPTIC text actually says A god in John 1:1
And is refuted well by scholar Robert Hommel here-
forananswer.blogspot.com/2006/10/john-11-in-sahidic-coptic-translation.html
5000 other Greek manuscripts say "and the Word was God". That's a ratio of 5000 to 1.
That means I win the argument D C1
Also the NT was originally written in Greek, so if some other language gets it wrong, it got it wrong.
Therefore you are wrong D C1
@@RowanTasmanian nope, again, you are wrong. BE HONEST once in your life. Does the KOINE GREEK contains INDEFINITE ARTICLES? ZERO, NONE., so you cannot find indefinite articles to the thousands of GREEK manuscripts as the language DOES NOT HAVE indefinite articles. ALL Bible translators ADD indefinite articles in English. Now, the SAHIDIC COPTIC TEXT has indefinite articles and it says A god in John 1:1. so are you RACIST TOO as if you think the Christians who are NON-GREEK cannot be trusted for the manuscripts given to them by God and early Christians?
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 You wouldn't know an indefinite article if it was the size of the Sydney Opera house.
You cannot read, write or speak Greek.
Again my little unlearned friend, who are the translators of the NWT that have a working knowledge of Koine Greek.
Name them, as you always quote their nonsense.
What are their names ?
also my little unlearned friend, please quote me where I implied "you think the Christians who are NON-GREEK cannot be trusted for the manuscripts given to them by God and early Christians?"
Give me the quote.
so scurry off my little unlearned friend and get me those translators names of the NWT.
The GB have names
The GB helpers have names
The elders have names,
SURELY THE TRANSLATORS HAVE NAMES ?????????
So D C1 , what you have discovered is a copy of a manuscript written in a language (that's not Greek) that has a variant.
So what ?????
If a latin manuscript has a variant out of 5000 manuscripts, who cares ???
If a Greek manuscript has a variant out of 5000 manuscripts, who cares ???
If a Hebrew manuscript has a variant out of 5000 manuscripts, who cares ???
I hope you not implying one of the Disciples wrote this SAHIDIC COPTIC Text and it has a variant.
If one manuscript out of thousands of manuscripts using a foreign language to Koine Greek has a variant, you know what you've discovered D C1 ?
Diddly Squat.
Worship.. in old english worship has a broad application. The word is still ued in addressing authority figure in legal orofession. YOUR WORSHIP. Worship, highly exhault, hold in high esteme. Many ,,worship..sports figures. Many ,,worship,, celebrities. In todays vocabulary this usage fell out of favior. Thus words like obecience are used to reflect modern word usage!
This makes as much sense of I saying, "I was WITH my mother at the birth of my kid sister. And I was also my mother."
'And the Word WAS God' translation would also debunk the Jesus IS God theory.
WAS would indicate that Jesus has ceased to be God.
Seems like a Catch 22 situation for those trying to use John 1:1 to make Jesus into God.
I can tell you don’t have any idea about Greek. There are three ways to describe the past in Greek. The way you interpret „was“ would be the aorist. The aorist in koine greek is not marked at an exact moment, it means that it just happened somewhere in the past unmarked, and could mean that it is not anymore today… However in John 1,1 the tense imperfect is used „was“(ην)… which has a meaning of duration, ongoing etc. So just by this word we can see how John uses the language precisely to make sure everyone who reads it, understands that Jesus WAS in eternity and always will exists in eternity.
@@ramongil99: At the outset of John 1:1 we are told that 'Jesus' was WITH God. That alone removes Jesus from the possibility of being God. Then who was he? John explains: Jesus was a god. Meaning a mighty being. Later we are told that Jesus IS a Son of God. John 1:34.
Jesus WAS an angel. He ceased to be an angel. That is why WAS a god'.
• 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
• 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
• 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
• 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
Just a sample.
@@tongakhan230 "Just a sample."
The Greek says: "God was the word" _(theo en ho logos)_ No "a god." Word order into English would be, "The Word was God."
Oh yeah, the Greek quotation above is from Watchtower's own Kingdom Interlinear. Watchtower admits their Kingdom Interlinear Translation provides: *_“a very literal, word-for-word rendering of what the Greek actually says according to the basic meaning and grammatical form of each word. This enables even students who cannot read Greek to find out what is actually in the original Greek text”_* (Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 610).
"John explains: Jesus was a god."
Nope. John never says Jesus was "a god." Watchtower's Kingdom Interlinear gets it right! Neither is there capitalization in the greek. _theos_ can be GOD or God !
@@TruthHasSpoken : There is no such thing as a Capital letter in Greek.
Thus, John 1:1 will just have 'with god' and god was the word'.
John uses two distinct Greek forms for god in that one verse. Obviously to show that he was talking about TWO gods.
One, the God Jesus was WITH is 'hon theon'. Note the definite article hon - THE in English.
'and god was the Word' is just 'theos'. No definite article preceding it.
Since there is no indefinite article in Greek, the English language translator put A or AN before the noun.
• 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
• 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
• 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
• 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
• 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
The Word WAS God would show that Jesus had lost it. He no longer IS God? Does this sound logical?
John states clearly:
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS the Son of God.”
Note the IS even though John was writing about past events.
@@tongakhan230 "this one IS the Son of God.”"
Exactly right: Sonship! My son has the same NATURE as me: Human.
Jesus the Son, has the same NATURE as God the Father, Divine. They share the same NATURE, the same essence, which is why at Nicea, the Bishops, 318 of them, said in part, this :
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
consubstantial with the Father;
Note, AFTER Nicea, those who decided which writings. belong in your table of contents ... were ... all ... Trinitarians.
Yet you believe that they didn't even understand how to interpret the writings that they were deciding upon! That in a word is inconsistent.
TRUE or FALSE, is Jesus God if he had to be given Kingdom rulership?
"You, O king, the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity," Daniel 2:37, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
“You yourself, your majesty, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given royalty, dominion, might, and glory," Daniel 2:37, The Bible in Living English
"Thou, O king, art king of kings, unto whom the God of heaven hath given the kingdom, the power, and the strength, and the glory;" Daniel 2:37, American Standard Version
"Thou O king art the king of kings,-for the God of the heavens hath given unto thee the kingship, the might, the power and the dignity;" Daniel 2:37, The Emphasized Bible
"Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory." Daniel 2:37, King James Version
FALSE, If Jesus was God, he would have already had this and no other would have to give it to him. See also Matthew 28:18 where the resurrected Jesus confirms this. 🤗
Well - that is the Truth - but these people out here in fairy-land - will not understand your display - they are more like monkey's than you may think - try this one --------- no-body seems to get it --------------- it is the power of satan that is doing it to them ----- John 5:19 -- Jesus replied, “The Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing, and in the same way. - it is the only verse needed to make Fools of all of them - and you - But they can somehow Reject it -- satan has taken over their minds - very ODD to Witness - Just as the Watch Tower rejects the Simple Message of God's Son - there are many - This is most relevant -- Romans 9:33 -- God warned them of this in the Scriptures when he said, “I have put a Rock in the path of the Jews, and many will stumble over him (Jesus). Those who believe in him will never be disappointed.” -- and try this one also - WT leaders are the worst Liars there are as to bible teachings - I am a Witness of such Truths -- 2 Corinthians 5:10 -- For we must all stand before Christ to be judged and have our lives laid bare-before him. Each of us will receive whatever he deserves for the good or bad things he has done in his earthly body. -- and Yes - I know you also will reject the WORD -- sorry for your failure also ! ! - and I am neither a trinitarian or am I a watch tower witness -- I am of Another Flock - You Too will take Mens words over the real Word - ODD ! ! !
I have more -- HERE - 1 Corinthians 15:27 -- For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by his Father; except, of course, Christ does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule. -- and MORE -- 1 Corinthians 15:23-25 -- 23 Each, however, in his own turn: Christ rose first; then when Christ comes back, all his people will become alive again. -- 24 After that the end will come when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having put down all enemies of every kind. 25 For Christ will be King until he has defeated all his enemies, -- But Wait -- there is MORE -- ahahahahaha -- There is MUCH MUCH MORE ! -- you people have got to get Better Leaders - Ones that have the WORD living in them - their cruelty is Known World Wide -- James 2:12-14 -- 12 You will be judged on whether or not you are doing what Christ wants you to. So watch what you do and what you think; 13 for there will be no mercy to those who have shown no mercy. But if you have been merciful, then God’s mercy toward you will win out over his judgment against you. -- 14 Dear brothers, what’s the use of saying that you have faith and are Christians if you aren’t proving it by helping others? Will that kind of faith save anyone? -- I have a PERFECT VERSE - if needed !
He never "had" to be given on he was given one to fulfill prophecy. There was no doubt of the success of his mission.
True! God GIVES Jesus Kingship and that too for only 1,000 years. Once Jesus brings this earth back to a Paradise and humans begin to live forever, Jesus hands over the rule of this earth to his God and Father. Jesus along with all intelligent creation become subject to God forever. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
@@jimjuri6490 God as a man was anointed as king
'Theos' WITH the definite article at 2 Corinthians 4:4 is a reference to Satan.
Thus, CONTEXT determines who is addressed by the Greek THEOS.
Logic should dictate that no one can be WITH someone and also be that very someone he is WITH. That regarding John 1:1.
I was WITH my mother when they opened the New Supermarket. Logically, I cannot be my own mother.
If not for the NWT, people wouldn't know who the title LORD applies to. Tons of people are addressed by that title.
1 Peter 3:6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him LORD.
Seems like another video charlatan fulfilling 2 Timothy 3:13.
"ἐν οἷς ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου ἐτύφλωσεν τὰ νοήματα τῶν ἀπίστων, εἰς τὸ μὴ αὐγάσαι αὐτοῖς τὸν φωτισμὸν τοῦ εὐαγγελίου τῆς δόξης τοῦ χριστοῦ, ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ." Where do you see the "WITH" (πρὸς) preposition applied to Satan? Yes, there is the article ὁ applied to him. It's a singular nominative form of the "τόν" article used in John 1:1 applied only to the GOD according to JW interpretation. Which means that the GOD and Satan are the same according to their logic 😂
@@mikhailmarvin2188: Please read John 1:1 b. There is no definite article with theos.
The Word was WITH God in the (a) part, logically excludes Jesus from being God.
I was WITH my mother at the school Prize Giving. I logically cannot be my own mother.
If Jesus was some third part of God, then the Word was IN God would be the proper statement.
Or the Word was WITH the Father and the Holy Spirt could have helped Trinity theorists.
But WITH God, knocks that theory off.
John would have had to be off his head to even hint that Jesus was God and then clearly state that,
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME' (1 John 4:12,20) considering the fact that he grew up with Jesus.
When people harp over some grammar of a single verse while conveniently ignoring all the clear scriptures, it is the adage, 'a drowning man will clutch at straws'.
JWs are Jesus' ONLY Disciples. Worshipers of Jesus have disqualified themselves from being Jesus' DISCIPLES.
(John 13:35) By this all will know that you are MY DISCIPLES-if you have love among yourselves.”
No one can become a DISCIPLE of God. Only a WORSHIPER.
I trust this helps.
@@tongakhan230So you didn't read my answer. Because I answered your claim about 2 Corinthians 4:4, and your subsequent claim about the definite article ὁ should completely ruin your own logic. In a nutshell, articles don't prove anything.
@@tongakhan230About JW's insist on the necessity of the ὁ article (and its different forms) before the GOD word, they will be really disappointed in places like John 1:18, Hebrews 11:16, etc. Read the Colwell's rule explanation. It will clarify everything.
@@mikhailmarvin2188 : The presence of a definite article does prove something. It refers to someone DEFINITE.
The Professor and a Professor are different.
THE God generally refers to the ONLY TRUE GOD. When the definite article is absent, then in English it refers to something unspecific. A or An precedes the noun.
I John 1:1 'the Word was WITH God' . Here god is 'hon theon'.
'And the Word was a god'. Here god is plain theos.
Why would John use two Greek forms of god if he was referring to one and the same? Obviously to show that these two gods were not one and the same.
Joe pu, You must wordhip jehovah God and have no other god me. THERE were other ,, exhaulted , mightty one worshipped as gods. Recognisibg the existance of other gods doent make polytheism. Worshipping mult gods is poly theism.
Was Jesus worshiped? If Jesus was indeed worshiped then I think it would prove that he was God. Everyone can read the following and draw their own conclusion.
The Greek word for worship is Proskuneo. It means prostrating before a superior, ready to fall down/prostate oneself to adore on one’s knees, to do obeisance..
It is used when Satan wanted Jesus to worship him, it is used in Revelation when people worshiped the beast and his image and it is used when the elders worshiped the one sitting on the throne. in Rev. 5:14. In those verses the NWT has the word Proskuneo translated worship. In Rev. 19:10 the angel told John not to worship him. In all these verses the NWT has the Greek word Proskuneo translated worship.
It is also used when addressing Jesus the exact same word the NWT has translated worship in those verses the word Proskuneo is translated obeisance in the following verses when addressing as if “suddenly’ somehow it doesn’t mean worship but obeisance only. How the Watchtower came to this conclusion is beyond me. But here we go.
The Magi from the East who came to visit him they wanted to worship him. Matt. 2:2, 8, 11
.Also Matt. 8:2 The leper who wanted to be cleaned or healed worshiped Jesus.
Matt. 9:18 The man who wanted his daughter healed worshiped him.
The disciples in the boat when Jesus walked on water Matt. 14:33 worshiped him.
The gentile woman who wanted her daughter healed Matt. 15:25 worshiped him.
The blind man that Jesus healed in John 9:38 worshiped him.
In Matt. 28:9, 17 after Jesus' resurrection his disciples worshiped him.
In Hebrews 1:6 the angels are told to worship him.
Now in the NWT in each of these verses the Greek word Proskuneo is translated obeisance instead of worship even though it is the exact same word. It doesn’t mean worship but presto it suddenly changes to obeisance only.
Obtain a Septuagint LXX and find passages that show Jacob proskueneo Essau
@@alexanderv7702 What did Jesus mean in John 2:19 that he would destroy this Temple and raise it up in three days?
Εν αρχήν ην ο λόγος: In the beginning was the Word
και ο λόγος ην προς τον θεόν:and the Word was with God
και θεός ην ο λόγος:and God was the Word/the Word was God
The whole τον(the) insinuating whether it's talking about a god or God is total bull. To say "a god" we say ένας θεός (one god). Τον doesn't even mean "the", it's an article(?).
If the bad translation of John 1:1 which states that 'and the Word WAS God' is taken, it actually destroys the notion that Jesus IS God. WAS being the past tense of IS.
John obviously wasn't even hinting that Jesus IS God. For he writes a bit further down.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the SON OF GOD.”
A son being his own father is not a concept even found in mythology.
My friend, please do some studying.
In the beginning _was_ (ην) the Word.
The Greek word ην (was) is the imperfect of ειμι.
As Murray Harris points out, “In itself v. 1a speaks only of the pretemporality or supratemporality of the Logos, but through the conjunction of ἐν ἀρχῇ and ἦν (not ἐγένετο) John implies the eternal preexistence of the Logos. Ἦν therefore signifies timeless existence: “(In the beginning the Word) was already eternally existing.”[1]
Second, as I pointed out to you in another thread:
The title “Son of God” was used in a variety of ways in both the Bible and the Greco-Roman world. Angels are called “sons of God” (Job 1:6) and Adam is called “son of God” (Luk 3:38) because they were created. The nation of Israel is called God’s firstborn son (Exo 4:22-23) and Christian’s are called “sons of God” (Rom 8:14) because of redemption. Legendary heroes, kings, philosophers, and miracle workers were sometimes referred to as sons of God.[2] The title “Son of God” does not mean the same thing in every context but JW’s willfully ignore this and fail to distinguish them.
Jesus is the μονογενὴς υἱός (the only unique Son). Jesus is unique because he is neither created (like angels) nor redeemed (like Christians)-he is the uncreated creator (Heb 1:10-12) who himself is the redeemer (Gal 3:13). Rather, Jesus is unique because he is the Son of God by nature (ie. he is God).
Carson says, “Jesus is not the Son of God by virtue of being the ultimate Israel, nor is he the Son of God by virtue of being the Messiah, the ultimate Davidic king, nor is he the Son of God by virtue of being a perfect human being. Rather, he is the Son of God from eternity, simultaneously distinguishable from his heavenly Father yet one with him”[3]
The Jews claimed to be sons of God (John 8:41), yet they understood that Jesus claimed a unique status as the Son of God-equality with God (John 5:18). His equality does not mean he is a separate god but shares in the identity of the one God-having the same nature.
The Father/Son language is anthropomorphic language to differentiate persons within the Godhead and to communicate how the Godhead interacts with itself. In the ancient near East (ANE) brother gods were rivals (cf. Egyptian gods Osiris and Set), so how could one send the other? Male/female or husband/wife gods always involved a sexual aspect to the relationship (cf. Egyptian gods Geb and Nut). Not to mention they were often dualistic. A Father/Son relationship tells us that they are equal as to nature, it is a loving but non-sexual relationship, honoring one is to honor the other. A son in the ANE had the same authority as the Father, could rule as co-regent, was owner of everything that was the fathers. A Father/Son relationship is the perfect way to communicate the relationship between the Father and Jesus. It also communicates the maxim we know “Like father, like son.” Jesus' imitation of the Father is absolute-EVERYTHING that the Father does, he does (John 5:19). No created creature could make that claim.
The title “Son of God” must be read in context since it is used in a variety of ways. The title applied to Jesus is used to differentiate his person from the Father while at the same time used to communicate that he possesses the same nature as the Father-placing him within the identity of the one God (ie. Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God).
[1] Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015), ePub, 1:1. [2] Mark L. Strauss, Mark : Zondervan Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2014), ePub, ch. 1. [3] D.A. Carson, Jesus the Son of God : A Christological Title Often Overlooked, Sometimes Misunderstood, and Currently Disputed (Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2012), ePub, ch. 1.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : How hard can it be to understand that is 'the Word WAS God' is taken as proper, it would mean that Jesus NO LONGER IS GOD.
Being WITH and being one and the same are two different concepts.
• 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
• 1879: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979)
• 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885)
Again, you are demonstrating your ignorance of both Greek and English.
Second, it is a statement about his nature, which doesn't change.
"I came to realize that Bessie wasn't a cow but was human."
Does that mean that Bessie isn't human now? No. Bessie can not stop being human.
In identifying that the Son was God, it is manifest that he is always God.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : WAS is the past tense of IS.
If Jesus WAS God it means he no longer IS God.
See how John states Jesus' position.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.”
John wrote this many decades AFTER Jesus had disappeared back to heaven.
No WAS a Son of God as if he was referring to some past event. But IS and continues to be a Son of God.
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12. Get it? Jesus couldn't have been God at ANY TIME. Jesus was SEEN.
Fiddling around with grammar in one verse will never change this FACT.
News flash genius, "was" can be an imperfect, and second, the NT wasn't written in English, it was written in Greek.
Second, As I already demonstrated in previous threads, "Son of God" as it relates to Jesus means he is God.
Third, God was seen in the OT (Exo 24:10; Isa 6:1). John isn't denying that God was seen, only that he wasn't seen in his fullness. But you don't seem to get that so explain to me how Isaiah could see God in Isa 6:1.
he thinks he got truth but at same time uses cross as worship.... wow a person who himself don't know truth trying to say that other are not true
This may come to mind:
Matthew 7:4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye.
@@tongakhan230 yeah thats right.... wow you remember many verses thats really good
@@fast.factszz9842 : Comes with the territory. Association with Jehovah's Witnesses.
@@tongakhan230 ah ok i'm also studying with them now
@@fast.factszz9842 : Good show! Keep at it. No one will be able to hoodwink one with deceptive videos.
If Jesus is a god, lower case g, and Jesus comes to earth, sits on the thrown of God, capitol G, and takes away the sacrifice, and declares himself to be God, capitol G, but is not God, capitol G, then who does your bible say Jesus is?
Using only the facts here, then in fact, you are muslim, believing Jesus is the great deceiver, because there is only one God, capitol G, and there are no other gods but God, capitol G.
And if Jesus does what the bible says Satan does, and you believe Jesus is not God, capitol G, you must admit that Jesus then must be, by order of what you believe is written, must therefore be Satan.
Prove me wrong.
it is a nice thought, but trying to have a legitimate conversation, with any of them is virtually impossible...
Yes! It would be like a Pharisee trying to convince Jesus of what the Bible teaches.
Here is John's clear testimony.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the SON OF GOD.”
(1 John 4:12) No one has SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME.
@@jimjuri6490 1John 3:6 "No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him (Jesus) or known him."
Did the religious leaders crucify the invisible man? How could John say that people who keep on sinning have never seen Jesus?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : I don't know. Shouldn't this question be asked of John?
He is the one who wrote that no human has SEEN God AT ANY TIME. Not I.
@@jimjuri6490 John records Jesus telling the disciples that, "If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him” (John 14:7 ESV). So apparently the disciples had seen the Father and the religious leaders didn't see Jesus.
Also, have you ever read the OT? It clearly states, "they saw the God of Israel. There was under his feet as it were a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness" (Ex. 24:10 ESV).
Now I don't think John contradicts himself or the OT, I think JW's misinterpret what John is saying.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : Any ENVOY from some authority would say what Jesus said.
You know who I am. Thereby you know who SENT ME.
Jesus was only USED BY GOD in the first Century. Read Paul's comparing Jesus to God's other ways of communicating with humans. Hebrews 1:1,2.
You can cut and paste the Greek into a translator and does it properly without the “a” ; there’s only one reason this quote and all others in the heresy of the new world translation has occurred….. to make their ‘bible’ fit their false doctrine. #endof
The haters just hate the superiority of the NWT in translating Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek
The Coptic language was spoken in Egypt in the centuries immediately following Jesus' earthly ministry, and the Sahidic dialect was an early literary form of the language. Regarding the earliest Coptic translations of the Bible, The Anchor Bible Dictionary says: 'Since the [Septuagint] and the [Christian Greek Scriptures] were being translated into Coptic during the 3rd century C.E., the Coptic version is based on [Greek manuscripts] which are significantly older than the vast majority of extant [still-existing] witnesses.'"
A significant fact concerning the Coptic language is that, unlike the Greek, it used an indefinite article ("a" or "an" in English).
So in NT Greek for example, the literal translation of John 1:6 is, "came to be man having been sent forth ...." But Bible translators always render 'man' here as 'a man.' This is because the Greek did not use any form of an indefinite article, and it had to be understood and supplied by the English translator.
The Coptic, however, DID use a form of an indefinite article ('a' or 'an' in English).
Therefore, the Coptic translation supplies interesting evidence as to how John 1:1 would have been understood back then. We find that the Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word 'god' in the final part of John 1:1! So when rendered into modern English, the translation reads: 'And the Word was a god.' (See: The Coptic Gospel of John 1:1-14
1808: “and the word was a god.” - The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text.
1864: “and a god was the word.” - The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.
1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” - La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
1935: “and the Word was divine.” - The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.
1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” - Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.
1958: “and the Word was a God.” - The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek.
1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.
1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.
Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3.
Hopefully this helps you.
Did you know that in John 1:1-3, there are different Greek words for both Gods mentioned?
The Word, Jesus, (Λόγος or Logos), was with God (Θεόν, or Theon).
The Word was God (Θεὸς, or Theos).
He, Jesus, was in the beginning with God (Θεόν, Theon).
Even though these are different cases of the same word, they are nevertheless differentiated.
Satan was also called θεὸς, or Theos at 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Is Satan also God?
Don’t know Greek? Neither do I.
Let’s break this down a little further shall
we?
In the beginning was the word (Jesus, Son of God), and the word (Jesus, Son of God) was with God (Almighty God, God the Father), and the word (Jesus, Son of God) was God (Almighty God, God the Father)?
No matter how you put it, it doesn’t make sense!!
What does make sense is that Jesus, being in the beginning with God (Genesis 1:26, John 1:1), in fact being God’s very first creation (Colossians 1:15, Proverbs 8:22, Revelation 3:14), actually calls God his God and worships God the Father. (Revelation 3:12, John 20:17)
Hello, I'm Greek. For one, you're misunderstanding Corinthians, for two, the only difference between θεόν and θεός is verb conjugation. They both still very much mean the same thing. Corinthians has differing context. John 1 is clear as day.
Correct! Right at the outset, John states that Jesus (the Word) was WITH God at some point of time.
I was WITH my mother at the birth of her second son. I logically cannot be my own mother.
All this is a fiddling around with grammar to make Jesus into God. When the Bible clearly states that Jesus was NOT God.
(1 John 4:12) No one has seen God AT ANY TIME.
This was written by the same John who wrote John 1:1 who SAW Jesus multiple times.
@@jimjuri6490 well, not really. The verse states clearly that the Word and God are one. There isn't any difference between θεός and θεόν in meaning, it's just conjugation.
@@stmp4160 : John 1:1. The Word (ie. the one we know as Jesus) was WITH God (hon theon).
And the Word was a god (theos).
John uses two Greek forms for god. One with the definite article and one without.
Obviously to show that he was talking about two separate gods.
Here is another verse using 'theos' WITHOUT the definite article.
(Acts 12:22) Then the people who were assembled began shouting: “A god’s voice, and not a man’s!”
Herod spoke with God's voice? I think not.
If Jesus is made into God, why deny Herod of that privilege.
• 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
• 1879: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979)
• 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885)
@@jimjuri6490 I am literally Greek and I tell you, that John 1 translation is bullshit.
Jesus sent you to preach about the JW's?????????
That right he was a God. Isaiah said he'd be called a Mighty God and Moses in Exodus 6:3 says that Jehovah is God Almighty and there's a difference between Almighty and Mighty, Almighty means absolute power and no equal whereas Mighty means powerful and strong. 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 says even though there are many God's and many Lord's to us, there is only one God, the Father (Jehovah) that's who Jesus prayed to. Jehovah, the father. So he was a God just as the Bible says in many places.
Joh. 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 1 Joh. 1:1-3 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show to you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and manifested to us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we to you, that you may also have fellowship with us: and truly our felowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
[GODHEAD IN THREE PERSONS (1 Joh. 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. Ac. 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Rom. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Col. 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Ps. 19:1-6 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day into day utters speech, and night into night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voices not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them has he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.)
The Father, Son and Spirit are called God.
FATHER (Joh. 6:27); SON (Joh. 1:1-3; 8:58; 20:28; Ac. 20:28; Heb. 1:8); SPIRIT (Ac. 5:3-4)
All three persons are mentioned together in the same passages.
1. The baptism of Christ (Mt. 3:16-17).
2. The promise of the Comforter (Joh. 14:16).
3. The Kingdom Commission (Mt. 28:18-20).
4. Paul's apostolic benediction (2 Cor. 13:14).
5. The unity of the spirit (Eph. 4:4-6).
The Trinity working in unity as the Godhead.
1. Creation - The Spirit moved (Gen. 1:2). God spoke, Christ (the Word) created all things (Joh. 1:1-3); God said, "Let US make man in OUR image (Gen. 1:26; 1 Th. 5:23)
2. Incarnation - The Father gave (Joh. 3:16-17), the Spirit placed the seed (Mt. 1:18; Lk. 1:35), and the Son was born of a virgin (Mt. 1:18-25)
3. Resurrection (Ac. 13:30) - Father (Gal. 1:1), Son (Joh. 10:17), Spirit (Rom. 8:11)
4. Salvation (Eph. 1:3-14)
5. Prayer (Eph. 3:14; 5:20; 6:18)]
Other Bibles That Render John 1:1c "a god"
The NWT is not the only Bible to render John 1:1c as "a god". Actually, there are many Bibles that render John 1:1 as "a God" or it's equivalent:
1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text.
1864: “and a god was the word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.
1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.
1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.
1958: “and the Word was a God.” The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek.
1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.
1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.
Trinitarian Scholars Have Even Admitted That "the Word was *a* god"
Even a number of respected trinitarian scholars have admitted that "the Word was *a* god" is the literal translation at John 1:1c.
In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? Because of a trinitarian bias only!
W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament.
C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977.
Murray J. Harris - "the Word was a god" - p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992.
Robert Young - "and a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word" - Young's Concise Critical Bible Commentary.
Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3.
Origen's Commentary on John is "the first great work of Christian interpretation." Origen was certainly the most knowledgeable about NT (koine) Greek of any scholar. He studied it from early childhood and even taught it professionally from his teens onward. And this was during a time when it was a living language and, of course, well understood. - The Ante-Nicene Fathers, pp. 291-294, vol. X, Eerdmans Publ., 1990 printing.
@@tadhgmccain7785 Jesus is God, who took on flesh, born of a virgin as both the Son of man and the Son of God. Joh. 12:44-46 Jesus cried and said, He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that sees me sees him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness. Joh. 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandments is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even the Father said to me, so I speak. Joh. 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Joh. 10:30 I (Jesus, God the son) and my Father (God the Father) are one.
THEREFORE: Jesus is not (a god) but God in the flesh.
@@kentpaulhamus2158 The Sahidic Coptic Translation Reads John 1:1 as, "And the Word was *a* god."
It is also interesting to note that the Coptic language was spoken in Egypt in the centuries immediately following Jesus' earthly ministry, and the Sahidic dialect was an early literary form of the language. A significant fact concerning the Coptic language is that, unlike the Greek, it used an indefinite article ("a" or "an" in English).
The Sahidic Coptic translation DOES USE an indefinite article with the word 'god' in the final part of John 1:1 and when rendered into modern English, the translation reads: 'And the Word was a god.' (Coptic Translation of John 1:1-14)
The fact is that the New World Translation is not wrong in translating John 1:1 the way it does as some critics propose. In fact, these critics have it completely turned around. The absence of the indefinite article (a) at John 1:1c has been purposely mistranslated in most Trinitarian-produced Bibles to fit THEIR doctrine that Jesus is God.
@@kentpaulhamus2158 The Johannine Comma
(1 John 5:7-8)
The so-called Johannine Comma (also called the Comma Johanneum) is a sequence of extra words which appear in 1 John 5:7-8 in some early printed editions of the Greek New Testament. In these editions the verses appear thus (we put backets around the extra words):
ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες [ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ Πατήρ, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἔν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ] τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα, καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν.
The King James Version, which was based upon these editions, gives the following translation:
For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
These extra words are generally absent from the Greek manuscripts. In fact, they only appear in the text of four late medieval manuscripts. They seem to have originated as a marginal note added to certain Latin manuscripts during the middle ages, which was eventually incorporated into the text of most of the later Vulgate manuscripts
All scholars consider it to be spurious, and it is not included in modern critical editions of the Greek text, or in the English versions based upon them. For example, the English Standard Version reads:
For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
@@tadhgmccain7785 Do you trust in Jesus Christ as your savior who was born in the flesh of a virgin, lived a sinless life, shed his blood on the cross for our sins, died was buried, rose again and is in heaven sitting on the right hand side of God the Father as God the Son?
It is not just JW's who teach the truth of John 1:1
Various translations
"the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed, E.J. An American Translation N.T. 1923).
"the Logos was Divine" (Moffatt, J. The Bible 1950).
"And what God was, the Word was" (New English Bible 1961).
"the Word was Divine" (Schonfield, H.L. Authentic N.T. 1956).
"The Word was with God and shared his nature" (Translator's N.T. 1973).
"and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" (Barclay, W. N.T. 1968).
In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? BECAUSE OF A TRINITARIAN BIAS ONLY!
W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament.
C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977
and the Word was a god." New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.
"and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson
"and the Word was divine." The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed
Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3
I can see your passion for this topic as you looked into various translations. However, many of these translation are not literal translations and further undergird the Trinitarian position.
But the point of this video is that it's not about grammar. Why not translate John 1:18, "No one has seen 'a god' at any time"? Is it because of a Unitarian bias? Why only translate the indefinite article to be a lower case god 16 times when the context serves the unitarian doctrinal position and ignore the other 266 times it occurs in the New Testament?
And what about John 1:3? Without Jesus, nothing was made that was made. Does that not imply Jesus was unmade, uncreated, and therefore eternal?
@@kyleboone1242 You contradict yourself in your statement about Jesus being uncreated, please read Vs 8 No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known.......did you notice that is calls Jesus the "only begotten God" he was begotten by his father as " A GOD" and was the firstborn of ALL CREATION ....
@@STROND The word (monogenete) translated only begotten can also just mean "one and only." It need not necessitate being created. It speaks of uniqueness.
Interestingly, the Bible calls Isaac Abraham's monogenete son, even though Abraham had other sons. But Isaac was the special son.
1 Clement 15:2 talks about the phoenix as a 'monogenete' bird. It's a unique bird (and ...not real, but that's beside the point lol).
Also, you still didn't answer my question about John 1:3 or the other 266 times the NWT doesn't follow this grammatical rule.
@@kyleboone1242 It can but NOT in this context
And none of them In the bible.
How about the Word was divine?
If John wanted to say "divine" he would have used the word θείος theios.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Good lexicography. Trenches Synonyms of the NT? The background of the NT is the OT. Theos is an approximate equivalent for El or Elohim. In the semitic culture el and Elohim can be used adjectively for " powerful" or " mighty" human, or angelic. See John 10:30------35. Although in context of Joh 1:3,4 Jesus could be a Theos apart from( choris) created beings.
I've never heard of "Trenches Synonyms of the NT."
If John wanted to say that Jesus was "a god" then he would have written the sentence:
και ο λόγος ην θεός.
But he didn't. He placed θεος before the copulative verb.
John makes it very clear that Jesus is eternal (already existing in "the beginning"), he is distinct from God ("with God"), he is God ("was God"), is the creator ("all things were made through him"), and he is self existent ("in him was life").
John fleshes out how Jesus can be God and distinct from God thought the book, culminating in Thomas's confession that Jesus is his God.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Maybe you haven't heard of BF Wescotts critical commentary on John either? He basically says same thing. I'm glad you're researching subject. But there is a little controversy on subject. Origin (254AD) interpreted the second Theos in clause c as referring to the " second god", deuteros theos. There was the ancient doctrine of theosis in the early church where sanctified believers became divinities like at John 10:34,35. The Eastern Orthodox Church still teaches this .
I'm guessing there was a recent WT article about Origen because I see a number of JW’s posting about him, am I correct? Have you read Origen's writings yourself? I've read a lot of Origen's stuff, and I've found that most of it is taken out of context.
Now, back to what John wrote, he begins by telling the reader that Jesus is God and forms an inclusio (a literary device) with one of the main characters confessing that Jeune is his God. Notice he didn't just confess him as divine θειος or as "a God," but "THE God of me" (my God). So he was either breaking the first commandment or including Jesus in the identity of the one God, ie., he believed that God subsists in more than one person.
Which was it?
a JWs bible having 66 parts and they teching new members in 60 lektion new stuff ---?= wow 666 and a
666 number is a beast number from relevation 13. So its like a they are on totaly wrong way, like from begining tehy having a mark 666 .
Orginal holy bibel having 73 parts ,somthing like a 777 blessings so thrue numbers we kan discover more! So reel face of JWS is a wow.......X
bLessings good lyck with new discoveries. :) thanx
Jesus sent you to preach about the JW's??????????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 no ,
just ,personal investigation :)
@@darkopranjic7713 So who all of you to preach about the JW's?????
You need to see a psychiatrist asp.
more fairytales
Just as moses was name god
I think that is Moses was APPOINTED as God. And Aaron as his prophet.
Exodus 7:1 Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet.
How was Moses made “God to Pharaoh”? Moses was given divine power and authority over Pharaoh. Hence, there was no need to be afraid of that king.
Here in Europe 99.9 percentage of leaving Jws abandon religion after researching the origins of it . The Americans are a different breed and cannot live without the craziness of it….
forget the greek just use common sense if Jesus is God himself and not a perfect human how could he pay an equivalent price as a ramson for Adam who was a perfect human being before he sinned. And what about Satan : if Jesus is God satan would not have tried to entice him to make a pack with him in Luke chap4. Beside if Jesus is the true God was he adressing his prayers to himself. The only thing that God did not alowed Jesus to do is to listen to prayers but his ranson permits us to adress our prayers to god in CHrist name due to his ransom. So instead of concentrating on a word look at the mass of information in the scriptures to let you understand. Words may have meenings but the full content will help you understand it. I once in a while meet a languge specialist while preaching door to door, more often then not they try to disprove the bible because they are non believers; sometimes we try to show these people scriptures that contradic what he is implying but if he wont recongnise what is obvious, we are not there to argue , we are looking for those whose heart God decide to open..Deniers ,argumentors,and those who's heart is not well disposed, are not part of who we are looking for.
Is one trying to make out that God is Adam's equal?
The NEW WORLD MISTRANSLATION has be ALTERED & BUTCHERED SO BAD IT NEEDS TO 🔥 BE BURNED!!!
Once again the bible full of contradictions
Not the Bible but translations. Some translators want the scriptures to back up what they WANT TO BELIEVE. Truth is irrelevant to these.
If you look in Genesis it shows you GOD SAID let's make man in OUR image
@@petersmith2870 : That is correct! God was speaking to someone at Genesis 1:26.
Whom was God speaking to?
The Bible answers.
(Proverbs 8:30) Then I was beside him (ie. God) AS A MASTER WORKER. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;
This very special FIRSTBORN angelic SON is the one God SENT to become the human Messiah. (Galatians 4:4, John 3:16).
The one we know as Jesus the Christ.
@@tongakhan230 Firstborn doesn't mean created every Greek scholar knows this and when the Father speaks in Hebrew's he says But of the Son your throne O God is forever and ever also if you want to look at Genesis' God said let US make Man in OUR Image and he made them male and female in IMAGE of God
@@petersmith2870 : If it is said that the boy Tom is the FIRST in the class, everyone knows what it means.
No one can come and claim that First can also mean First in a beauty contest with regard to Tom.
When the CONTEXT is given, what Firstborn can mean in other contexts have no bearing on what Jesus is.
David was APPOINTED Firstborn. Jacob WON THE RIGHT of Firstborn.
Jesus was ACTUALLY a Firstborn by BIRTH (creation).
Here is it with the context.
(Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION;
Because Jesus is the FIRSTBORN among God's intelligent CREATION< God appointed Jesus as his HEIR. Please read Hebrews 1:2.
God cannot appoint HIMSELF as his own HEIR. What type of sense would that make?
This is a gross simplification of a relatively complex translation issue in John 1:1. It is not merely the absence of a definite article but the presence of this occurrence in the predicate of the sentence (anarthrous predicate noun). There was a lengthy discussion of this issue in the Journal of Biblical Literature by Phillip Harner, which pointed out that that word was divine or what God was the Word were probably the most accurate translations. And one word of appreciation for the comments of the pastor in saying to approach JW’s in love. While I don’t agree with his analysis, that statement goes a very long way in tempering what could otherwise be a contentious debate.
The Greek has THEOS without the definite article. It should read 'a god'.
Any other translation is a deviation from the Greek.
Wikipedia quotes tons of translations which word it properly.
@@tongakhan230 Your pronouncement that “any other translation is a deviation from the Greek” does not make it so. Many grammarians specializing in Koine Greek have come to the conclusion that the predicate of this sentence is not so much an identification as it is a qualitative expression. Using the indefinite article in this case does not correct the issue, as it still points to identity vs. quality, which was not John’s intent in writing this sentence. You end up inadvertently making the same mistake as trinitarians, just on the opposite side.
@@georgerickard4915 : This may help.
• 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
• 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
• 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
• 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
• 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
• 1879: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979)
• 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885)
• 1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17]
• 1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);
• 1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" - Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany
• 1975: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);
• 1978: "and godlike sort was the Logos" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin
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(Source - Wikipedia - John 1:1)
There seems to be Trinitarian believers among the Translators. Why shoot themselves in the foot? Because, despite their personal beliefs, they wanted to prove faithful to the translation.
@@tongakhan230 Quoting from Wikipedia, Hmmmm
Can you supply all these details above from a peer reviewed Journal and definitely not Wikipedia.
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone who doesn't have credentials.
A rookie error Mr Wronga Tonga.
ahahahahaha -- definite Farticle -- ahahaha -- Ecclesiastes 12:12 -- But, my son, be warned: there is no end of opinions ready to be expressed. Studying them can go on forever and become very exhausting! -- -- Matthew 11:25-27 --- 25 And Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding the truth from those who think themselves so wise, and for revealing it to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for it pleased you to do it this way! . . . -- 27 “Everything has been entrusted to me by my Father. Only the Father knows the Son, and the Father is known only by the Son and by those to whom the Son reveals him. -- Exodus 34:14 -- For you must worship no other gods, but only Jehovah, for he is a God who claims absolute loyalty and exclusive devotion. -- YOU PEOPLE CAN WORSHIP JESUS IF YOU LIKE -- Even HE - WORSHIPS his FATHER -- THIS IS HIS WORDS ------ Luke 18:19 -- “Do you realize what you are saying when you call me ‘good’?” Jesus asked him. “Only Jehovah is truly good, and no one else. -- old satan -- and his religious slaves - they even Changed the letters to a different Scenario -- satan is surely a good TRICKSTER ! -- Genesis 3:13 -- Then the Almighty God asked the woman, “How could you do such a thing?” “The serpent tricked me,” she replied.
Keep to kjv!