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Did the Waldensians Keep the 7th Day Sabbath? Response to
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Myles Kettelsen of @answeringadventism recently claimed that SDAs should study "actual history" when making the argument that the Waldenses were not seventh day sabbitarians. James Bowen of @Biblicalhope takes Myles up on his challenge and this happens...
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Jesus said that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established. Well, Myles, we've got 8 witnesses for you here! ❤
God bless you, hero !
Amen!
I have been seeing a lot of videos bashing the SDA’s. Ellen G White said the persecution would come. Seems it is ramping up already. I thought I would be angry but it feels strangely exciting knowing the devil and his own are spewing hate upon those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus. I pray for all of you SDA’s.
Acts 5:41-42
King James Version
41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.😁❤️🙏🏻
@@BEvans7 You said people have sit back for decades and bash the Catholics and other Protestants. But as soon as a strong voice put out your errors it's know a persecution. That is hilarious 😂.
@@flexx7611You should be more flexible than you claim flexx.... go back and study the history of the early church, about the dark ages and reformation...and then we can talk...
We can safely say that Myles is not an authority on Church History.
He is also a proponent of Reformed theology which has so many holes in it which is quite greater than the holes supposed opponents have against Seventh-day Adventism.
Total depravity and limited atonement to name a few heretical doctrines they believe in.
Let's pray for the brother, he really needs prayer
Myles doesn't have egg on his face, he has an omelette on his face
The ultimate uno reverse card against Myles!
I love that game!
Whatever credibility Myles thought he once had, is quickly disappearing. And he will continue to implode.
Thank you ADL for your aggressive work on the front line.
To God be the glory!
Amen. Pride falls before destruction. It's only a meantime.
If that's what you think, I invite you to examine this video closely. All the sources are from enemies of the Waldensians except maybe the one that begins with "Many used to think..." This latter source must go on to say that the belief that the Waldensians kept the Sabbath has been abandoned for lack of evidence. That's what "many used to think" means: not many believe it now. If ADL was honest, they would give us the rest of the sentence!
@@jimmu2008 Thank you but no thank you. Not putting anymore energy into ‘Cry Wolf’ Myles.
@@jjordan07d I guess I wasn't clear enough. I was asking you to take a closer look at the ADL video. I was not asking you to take a closer look at Myles's video. I am asking you to take a closer look at ADL's sources and how they are used in the ADL video. Some of them I couldn't find, but most of them are Jesuits or Inquisitors. These are the same people who EGW said used deception. In other words, they cannot be trusted according to EGW. So this video is based on unreliable sources. Not a single source is a Waldensian source. ADL is relying on sources that your own prophet says can't be trusted!
One of these sources says that people "used to think" the Waldensians kept the Sabbath. That's is to say people were mistaken. Where is the evidence that the Waldensians kept the Sabbath? It comes from their enemies!
Even if some or all of the Waldensians kept the Sabbath, what of it? They came along rather late. You still have to show that Christians in the second and third century kept the Sabbath and that gathering and worshipping on Sunday was not handed down from the Apostles.
@@jjordan07d I didn't ask you to take a closer look at Myles's video. I asked you to take a closer look at the ADL video and at its sources. Who are they? Mostly Jesuits, people EGW said used deception. In other words, they lie
Praying for Miles, may he find peace. He wants to be saved on his own terms
Scripture tells us that at some time in the future " from one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another shall ALL FLESH come and worship before me saith the Lord.
What about Myles' claim that there won't be any moon in the New Earth?
@@thegreatcontroversychannel1611 If you read E.G.W. she says that there will be no night inside the city because God's glory illuminates it, I don't think anywhere in scripture or her writings do we find that the sun and moon will not give their light.
@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl ... No, there won't be "the need" for the sun & moon to shine in the city, for Yah's "Glory" will be therein. (Rev 21 : 23 - 25)... But don't forget, "The Meek" will inherit the entire whole (new) earth" (Psalm 37 : 11 .. Matt 5 : 5 ), not just the gates within the city .. and every New Moon & Shabbat, will likewise be the "appointed time" for all God's People to meet & holy convocate together there within the "glorious city".
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq I agree with that, but in a previous comment, you said E.G.W. said there wouldn't be a sun or moon.
She did not, she said the same thing the Bible says " There will be no need for them inside the city because God's glory will illuminate it "
@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl .. Right, but i never said that in any previous comments.
Satan is full of pride and it's been said that he's the accuser of the brethren and the father of lies. He's a divider!
Rather than attacking Myles, why not prove him wrong with scriptures??? If you can. He has on many occasions embarrassed you so called Adventist and all you guys can do is stay at a distance and throw stones??😆
@@flexx7611 thats not really true. To some persons ,It may appear like myles embarrassing sdas , but from a far when we sdas understand the topics,we see the subtle deception.(another example that myles calls heresy, is the sda doctrine that Jesus used none of his own Devine power but relied totally on the Father. However this is a doctrine taught by the founding father of Myles presbyterean church and major reformers(john calvin) .Sometimes he says things that makes you want to scratch your head and wonder. It amazes me how Myles gets some very weak knowledge based sdas on his platform. Beat them up and then promotes that SDA doctrine is false. Any rooted studying sda brother who knows sda doctrine and the sanctuary would overcome his arguments relatively easily.
@@flexx7611 indeed ,sometimes we speak way too harshly against him and we should not follow his tone . But we ought to call myles out for his deception. Another example: as an ex sda myles cannot not know that all of Jesus work is not finished at the cross. The Priestly begins-when the sacrificial work ends.and both are essential for our salvation. ( the Priest carries/bears the sins,intercede,feeds the word and the Holy Spirit,Judgement) all of these are made possible by the sacrifice and takes place after the sacrifice.
@@christopherbarnes2510 Oh Lordy....I am glad you mentioned that. Now I can use your quotes in my books and other references. So you are telling me that Christ atonement for our sins was incomplete. He did not fulfilled the law when he died. I already knew this is what SDA SECRETLY teaches to their unsuspecting members. All this heretic teachings are coming directly from EGW.
@flexx7611 read the book of exodus and leviticus. Then read the new testament book of Hebrews. And revelation tells . And you will see that what we often hear people say doesn't always align with scriptures. Atonement has two parts. 1) sacrifice. 2)intercession by the High Priest. . Why does the bible call Jesus our High Priest.Hebrews 8:1-5 ?
Great content ADL.
But we shouldn't give publicity to error:
"Spiritualists desire to give publicity to their heresies; and ministers who advocate Bible truth help them to do this when they consent to engage in discussion with them. The opportunity to get their heresies before the people is improved, and in every discussion with them some will be deceived. The very best course for us to pursue is to avoid them" GW 92 p194.
Awesome work! Blessings.
The more I look into the accusations, the more convinced I become. The arguments of the critics are just simply so weak.
Praise God that He has removed my heart of stone and given me a heart of flesh that I would rejoice at the fact that not a jot nor a tittle from any of His commandments has passed away.
Unfortunately many of the "criticisms" are simply blatant lies of commission and omission. I find it hard to believe that the man at Answering Adventism can really be doing honest research and repeatedly coming short of these quotes that disprove his chosen argument. He once quoted a fragment of an Ellen White statement to prove her false. When I sent him the full quote, which actually proved the exact opposite of what he claimed her to say, he replied that he would not even read it. (I am guessing he had to have read it though in order to determine it was unworthy of response).
I'm not sure why professed Christians think it ok to lie, but many apparently do. We need to pray for these people as we share truth with them.
@@concerneddisciple8273 Amen
This has been my experience as well
This is awesome!
Fabulous editing!
Meaning???
Boom!
The Sabbath is one of the very reasons that Rome went in and destroyed and murdered many of them. A few years back the Papacy even asked them for forgiveness for what they did to them.
This was great! 🙏👍
Its very sad. I feel sorry for Myles because the truth to him does not matter. All he is interested in is winning arguments. Unfortunately, he is allowing the evil one to use him.
That's not gonna give him salvation. And I don't know why he is so much into arguments rather than working your own faith. We will be judged differently.so don't invest in correcting others. He miles need to make it right with God. Not to worry whether Sabbath is right or wrong day.
You people always revert to attacking the person rather than examining factual scriptures. Never fail.Acting like you are the only people that are close to God. How delusional!!!
@@flexx7611 You are just like Myles, you fail to see the answers given, are from the Bible and history.
@@flexx7611I think you have it wrong, friend. Answering Adventism’s entire channel is about attacking people; Doug Batchelor, EG White, Mark Finley, Randy Skeet, Dr O. I could go on. His arguments become those of making fun and belittling the personal character rather than seeking for truth in brotherly love.
I do pray for him as he is kicking against the pricks. All of his weight is actually being thrown against God and His word. He is in a very dangerous position. Rather than seeking for truth in humility he is digging in his heels against Christ. Reminds me of Romans 1 and the delusion.
@@billhendricks5375 Dude, Myles was an SDA, I am also a past SDA what answers are you talking about??? Misquoting scriptures and tying yourself up in a bind with others?? You fail to exam your own cultic beliefs but put self pride front and center.
I wonder why Miles never joined the live. I don't know much about him, but I have seen him once calling out SDAs to try to humiliate them on live. But now you have people like the ADL who are open to debate him, and he's quiet. I would've loved to see him join.
Myles cherry picking . Boom!!!
Myles stands unjustified in his arguments. He has no evidence for what he claims to be true. His conclusions are unfounded and baseless. Sincerely speaking, Myles is intellectually dishonest in his research
I haven't seen or heard of any Adventist challenging him on what he had to say on scriptures. They instead revert to attacking him.
@@flexx7611 Watch the many ADL videos don't against Myles's claims that never focused on his character but his false accusations.
@@thatnicekid04 Myles has asked for direct communication and debates from you people who throw stones from behind a wall and none as come forward. I am not talking about lame rebuttal from afar.
@@flexx7611 Watch the challenge an SDA this Saturday at 5pm EST. You will see why Myles will not have a discussion with us.
He has no interest. He even said it in his video against ADL. Ask him yourself.
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*You said:* "I haven't seen or heard of any Adventist challenging him on what he had to say on scriptures. They instead revert to attacking him."
*You then said:* "Myles has asked for direct communication and debates from you people who throw stones from behind a wall and none as come forward. I am not talking about lame rebuttal from afar."
See what you did there.
You mentioned people supposedly attacking Myles' character, and then you went on doing the same thing of what you accuse others of doing. You show yourself to be guilty of hypocrisy.
ADL had already reached out to Myles for live debate, yet so far Myles has refused their invitation.
Someone else had also reached out to Myles in regards to ADL refuting his false claims and Myles responded by only caring about upticks in his channel, which you can view it yourself in ADL's community tab.
Regardless of direct communication, ADL has still refuted Myles' false accusations and they are in a continuing process. For the New Testament explicitly commands us to judge others in the church and to silence false teachers, so they will not lead the sheep to destruction. Instead of attacking ADL's character, how about you attempt to refute their video arguments in response to Myles?
I've seen a lot of critics similar to Myles who also make the claim that insabbatati was talking about their shoes. That quote from Melchior Goldast just annihilates that idea.
I find it funny that this child thinks he knows more than people who have studied the Bible longer than he has been alive! The other funny thing about this child was that he was raised Adventist! I left the faith, but I never found truth anywhere else! **So, I have come home to Jesus and it has been the best decision I've ever made! No turning back!
Its called rebellion. Its ‘my opinion’ its a deep seated resentment against parents and/or church. You see evidences of it in that he seems to countenance even blatant heresies of other churches but seem to get very very analytical and hairsplitting against almost every doctrine the SDA espouses. Its almost as if he is demented, and he is disingenuous at times
While I too disagree with almost everything Myles says, using ad hominem (child) makes your case weaker, and shows your superiority complex.
Exactly... Real sad he was raised in truth and satan has lead him away. I was like him.
I'm a 4th generation SDA, caught up in the world's deceptions until God/Jesus rescued me.
Back to the truth... No doubt SDA from the early Adventists is 💯 truth.
And the Waldensians were a Sabbath keeping race. Hence why satan's men tried to eliminate them all. They will rise to the cloud Jesus returns in on that glorious morning.🙏
@@earlysda no the things he says the way he says them and how he acts is like he is doing this because he has a grudge against the Adventists because of his family. Plus, he acts like was spoiled, he's kinda like that other guy you uses name calling and laughing at Adventists as if he cares not about being kind. However, I call him a child because of his age and how he acts. I'd call Alan Parr a child as well but he's not young lime this guy even though Alan has all of the same issues except once being an Adventist. So yes he is a child in my eyes, my daughter is almost 30 and there's times when I call her a child but usually there's a dear with it. So again I do not call him child to be mean but the fact that he is a child in years when compared to the people who do know more than him and yet he thinks he knows more than anyone else! I hope that this makes sense because it wasn't a way to call him names but to show how much he doesn't know and has yet to truly grow and learn. Oh, and not superior but older than and the people I am speaking about he is a child.
@earlysda that decision came about by what seems to be intentional blindness almost to a fault. Myles reads and myles know things he reads and knit picks alot. We all know how resentment looks
Well done ❤
"Spiritualists desire to give publicity to their heresies; and ministers who advocate Bible truth help them to do this when they consent to engage in discussion with them. The opportunity to get their heresies before the people is improved, and in every discussion with them some will be deceived. The very best course for us to pursue is to avoid them" GW92.
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Myles' corner MUST throw in the towel.
If he wants people to BELIEVE him, he MUST PUBLICLY accept TRUE evidence from BIBLE , history,and real church history. God bless ADL for truth and humility.
Myles is just like muslims he doesn’t go into real evidence and id he sees real evidence he likes where he is because he likes sin
Miles changes his backnote from Context is the king., coz he know he's out of the context.
In this video it says "because truth matters." Think about that for a moment.
History always unveils the truth
Pray for miles, maybe he can be saved one day and submit himself to Jehovah and His Word
1:50-2:00 somebody PLEASE make a clip
That dude should return to the SDA Church, that is if he's not blinded by hate and pride.
That is very Right (Correct)👍....
The kid is just a spoiled brat trying to get attention. He doesn’t have a clue about the truth, only wants attention from the majority in order to have friends and to be able to sin with a license.
MYLES CATHOLIC - Its called a reprobate...WELL DONE ....ADL ARE LEGENDS!!! Myles has NO AUTHORITY as a teacher. Je is just a hater that keeps hating on
Oops! Miles from answering adventism must’ve missed those . 😢
SDA were always ready to ans to any claim because they are well read. And in a world were the world now talk because they have a platform, it is very easy to be victorious in conversations where reason is used.
It that makes you feel good then bless your little heart. Haven't met one Adventist that has been victorious in any argument. Doctrine has too many holes and no accountability.
@@flexx7611 lol ok. I agree that can be possible. I also agree that such may not be well read lol.
But I did say SDAs were, meaning past. Not that there are none now but I see a fast growth of those who can now defend their faith and do so on biblical terms.
@@flexx7611 That's because on social media sites, all platforms are one-sided, and when people challenge an SDA to a debate they never stick to debate rules.
For instance, I'll debate anyone, but standard debate rules without interjection will apply so I can make my full point before everyone without the rudeness of someone like Myles cutting me off every 30 sec.s trying to side-track me over speak me.
I've noticed it's a strongarm tactic because people like that are so scared we'll make a good observation or point that their own subscribers might unsubscribe. They can't have that, look at all the money they stand to lose lol.
@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl Your point is muted. What applies to Myles applies to all. Thanks for saying a lot of nothing and sharing your bias. You really believe an SDA site is going to admit truth if it bit them in the rare and jeopardize subscribers?? You would be more naive than I thought.
@@flexx7611 Dude, that comes from the Catholic Mirror site. I highly doubt SDAs run the Catholic Mirror website lol.
Revelation 14:12
King James Version
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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If one believes that the Waldensian were the woman that was given refuge in the widerness by God that the Dragon went after, this woman would logically cut all ties with the world and in sackcloth preach the everlasting gospel outside their camp, risking persecution by Rome.
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I've got to hand it to you for exposing the errors of the Waldensians.
We claim the Waldenses were one group that kept the sabbath. Can you also research the Ethiopian churches in Africa? It is little known that they may have been more steadfast then the Waldenses in keeping the sabbath and had a huge war when the Portuguese came over to take over their culture and religion and changing it to Catholic. I would love to hear from one of your historians if these claims are true.
What is it, Myles Kettelsen or Myles Christian? I've seen him using both names.
"In 1310, two hundred years before Luther's theses, the Bohemian brethern constituted one fourth of the population of Bohemia, and that they were in touch with the Waldenses who abounded in Austria, Lombardy,. Bohemia, north Germany, Thuringia, Brandenburg, and Moravia. Erasmus pointed out how strictly Bohemian Waldenses kept the seventh day Sabbath." Armitage, "A History of the Baptists," p.313; Cox, "The Literature of the Sabbath Question," vol. 2, pp. 201-202
So what history are we supposed to look at according to miles🤔 his own view of history🤯
1 Timothy 6:20 KJV - O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Let's remember it is usually best NOT to highlight accusations others make against us, as Satan will make more and more in order to keep us away from giving the Three Angels' Messages to a dying world.
ADL will highlight accusations from critics that are popular and causing the most damage, since their accusations are already highlighted by them. If it takes highlighting what they've highlighted in order to respond, that's what will need to take place.
@@AdventDefenseLeague ADL, you are welcome to ignore Spirit of Prophecy counsel to not do as you are doing.
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But I ask you to reconsider, and start following SOP counsel.
@@earlysdado you mean quotes like this where public accusations were called out and addressed publicly?
As he has poured out his tirade against me publicly, when I was not present to answer for myself, I think it just and right that his accusations shall be presented in writing or before others, that we may be able to answer them, point by point, and thus to disappoint the enemy in his determine efforts to accuse. 12LtMs, Lt 4, 1897, par. 1
Or this one...
While the believer is on this earth, it will always be essential for him to oppose error and defend the truth. Error is injurious to the soul. Truth is always beneficial. Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He came to enlighten those spiritually blind by bearing witness to the truth. He said, "Every one that is of the truth heareth my words." [John 18:37.] 16LtMs, Ms 104, 1901, par. 11
@@thatnicekid04 nice, Lt4 1897 is regarding a Brother in the faith who was making false statements regarding Ellen White. She is not referring to an unbeliever/non-SDA.
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Of course we are to oppose error. However, we are to do it in the proper way, as the Holy Spirit wants us to. Do you ever see where Jesus takes up all the objections raised by his detractors and then gives them publicity?
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"Lt179 Do not soil your minds by studying the misleading theories of the enemy." Lt179 1904.
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The following should be regarded as the definitive SOP teaching on the subject at hand:
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"Discussions Not to be Sought
[From a Personal Testimony.]
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I was shown that here is the danger of young ministers who engage in discussion: They turn their minds to the study of the word to gather the sharp things, and they become sarcastic, and in their efforts to meet an opponent, too frequently leave God out of the question. The excitement of debate lessens their interest in meetings where this special excitement does not exist. Those who engage in debates are not the most successful laborers, and the best adapted to build up the cause. By some, discussion is coveted, and they prefer this kind of labor above any other. They do not study the Bible with humility of mind, that they may know how to attain the love of God; as Paul says, “That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; and to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God.” [Ephesians 3:17-19.]
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Young preachers should avoid discussions; for they do not increase spirituality or humbleness of mind. In some cases it may be necessary to meet a proud boaster against the truth of God in open debate; but generally these discussions, either oral or written, result in more harm than good. After a discussion, the greater responsibility rests upon the minister to keep up the interest. He should beware of the reaction which is liable to take place after a religious excitement, and not yield to discouragement himself. ...
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Those who love to engage in discussion generally lose their spirituality. They do not trust in God as they should. They have the theory of the truth prepared to whip an opponent. The feelings of their own unsanctified hearts have prepared many sharp, close things to use as a snap to their whip to irritate and provoke their opponent. The spirit of Christ has no part in this. While furnished with conclusive arguments, the debater soon thinks that he is strong enough to triumph over his opponent, and God is left out of the matter. Some of our ministers have made discussion their principal business. When in the midst of the excitement raised by discussion, they seem nerved up, and feel strong and talk strong; and in the excitement many things pass with the people as all right, which in themselves are decidedly wrong, and a shame to him who was guilty of uttering words so unbecoming a Christian minister. ...
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Debating ministers are the most unreliable among us, because they cannot be depended upon when the work goes hard. Bring them into a place where there is but little interest, and they manifest a want of courage, zeal, and real interest. They depend as much upon being enlivened and invigorated by the excitement created by debate or opposition, as does the inebriate upon his dram. These ministers need to be converted anew. They need to drink deep of the unceasing streams which proceed from the eternal Rock....
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whenever discussions can be avoided, they should be; for the result is seldom honoring to God" Gospel Workers 1892.
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Please read the whole thing. Let's not be "the most unreliable among us" by debating.
@@thatnicekid04 nice, I don't see my long comment to you I posted yesterday that starts with "Lt4 1897". If you cannot see that either, I will repost it for you.
Just that one and all is on toes.
"Louis XII, King of France (1498-1515), being informed by the enemies of the Waldense inhabiting a part of the province, that several heinous crimes were laid to their account, sent the Master of Requests, and a certain doctor of the Sorbonne, to make inquiry into this matter. On their return they reported that they had visited all the parishes, but could not discover any traces of those crimes with which they were charged. On the contrary, they kept the Sabbath day, observed the ordinance of baptism, according to the primitive church, instructed their children in the articles of the Christian faith, and the commandments of God. The King having heard the report of his commissioners, said with an oath that they were better men than himself or his people." History of the Christian Church, Vol.II, pp. 71, 72, third edition. London: 1818
He's with the papal authority while he's a Calvinist
What would happen to one if he/she don't observe the Sabbath like the Jews, would he/she end up not receiving everlasting life?
Help me understand according to scriptures why we must worship Saturn or keep all 613 laws as the Jews?
My Dear presenter, please understand that we do not keep the seventh day sabbath be because the wildenses kept it but rather we obey the commandments of God. The scripture says ALL HIS commandments is truth: “Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. ”
Psalms 119:151 KJV
ALL means including the seventh day sabbath commandment which states: “But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: ”
Exodus 20:10 KJV. We can not therefore choose anyother day, as James warns us:“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. ”
James 2:10 KJV.
In fact it is by the commandments of God that we establish who is a fake Christian: “3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. ”
1 John 2:3-4 KJV
The point of this video was not about proving that we should keep the Sabbath. Myles made an accusation that EGW was false when she wrote that the Waldenses kept the Sabbath in the book Great Controversy. Myles claimed that there wasn't proof that they did. This video was to show that his claim was false.
When will you debate Myles 😂😂😂 why are you scared
You must be new around here lol
I would venture to say that the Waldensian did not live and consider the days named in honor of the pagan gods, rather, considered the luminaries above to count the days by a biblical means month to month by new moon to new moon and the days 1 through 7, keeping every 7th in respect of Sabbath. Remember that they rejected every aspect of Rome including their trinitarian dogma. Therefore, one can reasonably conclude that they would reject the Gregorian calendar that the Vatican also created. So "Saturday" would not logically be a biblical day for Sabbath by reasonable thought.
Instead of fighting the laws of God , which it is impossible for mankind to change one jot or title. Why not devote that same energy against the laws of man. I would really appreciate for my morning commute to work to be absent of police presence. Let's not stop the heresy with the laws of God but let's continue the insurrection with the laws of men. Who needs corporate law, labor laws, traffic laws, construction laws, food inspection laws, down with the student handbook, and after graduation down with the employee handbook in my first job. Down with the State govt. In Romans 13 we are not afraid of them or their power to punish evildoers. We want a nation without laws, because a sinful society would rather live in ANARCHY.
Myles ,
Keep searching, trusting in our Savior, Jesus. He will give you eyes and ears.
IF it is his will for you to speak truth here?
Miles is either ignorant or is doing this for Attention
Wait. They know better than Early Church father's? Thr same one's who were tough by apostle's? Really?
Origen and Irenaeus thought the Scapegoat was Satan. Were they right?
@@thatnicekid04 what? Who teach you that? Tell me something. You believe that atonement was not completed on the cross and without second goat cannot be completed. For you second goat is Satan. So,you believe thay without Satan you cannot reconcile yourself with God. But the Bible was clear: We Are already reconciled with God through Jesus on the cross. And many many times in the bible we can find that statements. Now,why you put Satan in sacred day of God aka day of atonement,when every single animal represents Jesus. The only and first time ever that Azazel is name of the angel was in the Book of Enoch,which is false book and it dated much after Moses but even there Azazel was not Satan. Now,if you follow step by step requirements for the goat's it's like this:
1. Both goats must be singles and perfect: Sorry but I don't see devil fit into that category.
2. To choose which goat will be sacrificed and kiled is literally gambling. Any goat can be scapegoat.
3. What means scapegoat? Someone's who is innocent but take fault's of the other guilty person's. I don't know about you and your beliefs but satan cannot be scapegoat, because he is evil and not innocent. Jesus was without sin and God put every single sin ever from believers on Jesus God,punish Jesus for our sinns. Jesus basically became a Scapegoat for us. Now,God will remove our transgressions far away,how long is the wast from the west,which means infinite distance,and he is the only one who is in the plan of salvation. Now,can you show me pls, where Bible said that atonement is partially completed or not completed,or that satan is scapegoat. Pls
@@jackdaniels5489 see for yourself...
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It looks like you all are doing hopscotch exegesis of these texts. All you do is jumping around giving us single one sentence quotes taken randomly without any context! Read us at least a paragraph or two at a time so we could at least know what the flip they're talking about in those quotes!
You can make someone say just about anything you want if you just look at one sentence or a portion of a sentence of what somebody said ripped straight out of context.
Every time Miles quotes anything he's either giving us the context or reading a larger portion of what's being said so we can understand the context of the quote ourselves. This rapid fire editing stuff that you're doing makes it sound like you've got a strong argument when you don't.
I started studying my way out of the Advent church many years ago, simply by reading the Bible in its context and trying to understand what the author was trying to say to the audience he was writing to. Once I studied my way out of the Sda Church I stumbled upon miles channel answering Adventism and he started to confirm my findings throughout scripture while adding clarity to more difficult doctrines/ideas.
The Adventist version of God is weak, horrible at communicating, not all that much more holy than we are, not all that good, not all that powerful to save people, and is not as in charge of the universe as Satan and humanity. This is why Adventism is false because it has a false distorted view of God, so even if Adventism was right about the sabbath they would still not be the true church because they the distort the gospel and Jesus.
Yet in the videos ADL does on Myles, it is clear that Myles does not read the context.
This video is taken from a larger video.
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1. The quote from the Priest Ignaz Von Dollinger is from 1890, a very long time from the time of the flourishing of the Waldenses or Vaudois.
2. If his quote is to be given any weight at all, it still says " Not a few" which means a fair amount but not the majority.
3 The Pasagaini were not Waldenses but a separate movement.
4. The Waldenses were called inzabbatati because of the type of footwear they had not because of keeping the 7th day Sabbath. This is according to Jesuit Jacob Gretser in 1738.
5. There was a sect of Waldenses who kept the 7th day but they were merely a sect.
This is taken from a larger presentation. There was a very large number of them keeping the 7th- day Sabbath. Myles's claim was that none were.
The quote says they were called Insabbati because they kept the Sabbath of the Jews. See for yourself 1:18.
1. Dolinger demonstrates even catholics knew that the waldenses kept the sabbath which is sufficient to prove EGW remarks about the fact there were those who kept the sabbath accurate. She never said all did....
2. There was another work provided in the main presentation demonstrating hundreds of individuals in one account who were killed for keeping the sabbath. This included several pastors.
3. The pasagaini were waldenses in the picardy region which if you paid closer attention to Heinrich Kramer's work and its title he even mentions those waldenses in the "picardy" region in the title of his work... 2:04
4. Are you now accepting the Jesuits response? Will you do so when he admitted that his reasoning on
this etymology did not have the support of the literature of his day because these sources, he said, contained many errors?
5. The actual confusion over shoes which influenced Gretser was Ebrardus work wherein he confuses the waldenses with followers of Durand who were poor catholics who dressed similarly to the waldenses and were called xabatenses (different word) which happened around 1208 but insabbatatis was already around in 1197 and 1192 and folks did not define insabbatatis as in regard to shoes but at the council of tarragon accused insabbatatis as rejecting ecclesiastical authority....Remember Kramer who identified that with the sabbath??
6. sect? The council of friuli recognized those peasant sabbath keepers long before the 12th century.....this was an ancient practice....
@@thatnicekid04 Myles said that the "Waldenses were not and are not 7th Day Sabbath keepers."
I understand that to mean that as a group they were not. I did not hear him say that none were.
If he said that he was wrong.
I am aware of the quote in the video stating that the reason they were called insabbatati was because of keeping the Sabbath of the Jews but that is just one opinion among many.
Remember that the records from that time are rare and obscure.
We only have what inquisitors and Jesuits had to say about them and some of them contradicted each other.
@@thenowchurch6419 the whole purpose of Myles's video was to show there were no Waldenses that kept the Sabbath during the middle ages. He was trying to discredit what EGW said.
The facts are against him. The quotes in this video and the full presentation from which this video was taken from are not opinions. They are historical data that disprove Myles's claims.
@@thatnicekid04 You are not understanding a nuance.
Yes, Myles purpose was to discredit what EGW wrote in The Great Controversy.
That means showing that the group called Waldenses or Vaudois were not 7th day Sabbath keepers.
It does not mean that no Waldenses kept the 7th day Sabbath at all,
An example.
The Roman Catholic church since the Vatican 2 no longer does the Mass in Latin. That is a fact but some Catholic churches are Traditionalists and do maintain the Mass in Latin.
It would be wrong to say the Catholics do Latin Mass.
They never kept the Bible Sabbath but the Christian Sabbath, Sunday. Neither were they persecuted on account of keeping the Sabbath
It's like watching the video with eyes closed 🤦🏻
You just watched a video with literally historical proof that they did and your answer to it is basically “nuh uh” 💀😭
The Christian Sabbath IS the Bible Sabbath. Saturday. The 7th day. Nothing has changed!
@@DeivyCabrera4250 I'm hoping he just didn't watch the video yet. Seriously hoping, or I'm just going to lose all hope for the critics.
Saturday is the Christian sabbath. Sunday sacredness will be the mark of the beast.
Forget about Myles. I am still waiting for someone to explain why the Gentiles were excluded from the Sabbath and were not judged for not keeping it. Been waiting for a very long while and have the feeling I will be waiting longer. 🥱
Where does it say the Gentiles were excluded from the Sabbath?
The Sabbath was given at Creation, before there were any specific Jews. The Ten Commandments were given to them to retell them and subsequently inform the earth about God's law. The Gentiles would not have been judged if they did not know the fourth commandment: "And the times of this ignorance God winked at" (Acts 17:30). Shalom.
Stop demanding answers for questions that have your own false presuppositions.
@@AdventismExplained Still doesn't answer my question. Where in the bible you find a bunch of Christians worshipping on a Sabbath and not a group of Jews???
@@AdventismExplained Why they didn't know it. Wasn't it from creation for everybody? You mean to tell me not one sole could count from 1 to 7 throughout history to identify the Sabbath. Abraham informed them about circumcision and forgot to mention the Sabbath. The bible clearly states that the Gentiles were excluded and did so only if they wanted to take hold of the covenant God made with Israel ALONE. Hence the word " strangers". Why is it whenever the Sabbath is mentioned it's always a Jewish gathering? Still have not answered the question the original question.