The average person DOES think drug tested means drug free. At least everyone I’ve met. Obviously most people that lift understand that it’s not that simple
I'd disagree on the "AVERAGE person knows that drug tested doesn't mean drug free", people hate on Gatlin for getting caught doping but somehow love Bolt at the same time cause they all think "obviously he doesn't dope". Also, most of the time I use "drug tested =/= drug free" as a rebuttal "But muh -insert athlete- never failed!" I never bring it up as an initial point.
I remember I was looking at Brett Gibbs Instagram, someone left a comment under one of his squat videos asking if he was “drug free”... he then replied with “Im drug tested”. Not sure what he meant with that, but it was weird lol
in powerlifting specifically drug tested 99%+ of the times means drug free. People have different options if you're enhanced. There's no money in powerlifting for people to lie about it and compete in the usapl/ipf. Also you need to pay for your own shit to go to Raw Nationals and Worlds and go through a lot just to compete drug tested. Who would go through that and cheat? Very few. Not to mention they're very strict and sometimes there's unfair judging. No finance incentive + many other options to compete in = less chance of people cheating in the sport. my 2 cents
mxfreak212 I am still amazed to read how many people think top strongman competitors are natty because they are Not lean. So while canditos Point about accusations is valid, he seriosly understimates the lack of knowledge outside of the strength Sport bubble
Only one disagreement: I genuinely think the average person believes pro athletes are drug free. The average person doesn’t distinguish between drug tested and drug free. Great video though man!
To be fair, many people still say things like, "He's in the NFL, so he can't be using" and other statements of that nature. I do agree with the second point greatly though in that people need to stop accusing everyone they see of steroids. Other factors play greatly into strength as well, the biggest being genetics. It's just ignorant to say someone must be using solely based upon their strength, or that they natural solely because of a test. I am with you on never trying to speak for other people when it comes to natty status.
Johny Candito is clearly the ananolic drug lord. The Walter White of the IPF. He doesnt want us to make non assertive comment not because he thinks we are pussy but because he wants to know how good his drug are. He wants us to say "this guy is clearly on some heavy stuff he lift 300pounds more than me even tho he is drug tested". Us saying this makes him pround. Proud and hard. He likes compliment and even more power.
There is a lot of nuance in this topic for sure, but unfortunately most people are too simple-minded to understand this stuff. Keep up the good work, Jonnie.
No doubt. But I do have hope that culture can swing. I honestly think most people repeat this phrase because it became a trend, but any trend can swing back. Reminds me of when people thought FFMI studies were very hardline, then nuance started creeping in to counteract it.
"A wealthy person visits a school to talk about entrepreneurship and a kid raises their hand to say that not all wealthy people got their money legally" - profound comparison mane
I haven’t watched the other video because you included the “drug tested” which Is obviously not drug free necessarily so why even add that to the title? It’s like saying drug test mr Olympia. The same way you use logic of “it’s pointless to say it” then use that same logic to not add “drug tested” to the title. We could easily assume he is drug tested couldn’t we? And ... no? The fact that someone makes a claim that drug tested doesn’t mean drug free doesn’t necessarily mean he has a burden on proof on a specific case. that person isn’t making an assertion on anyone on specific plus he is using “doesn’t necessarily” which leaves a lot of room for both options to be applicable to that individual case. In a hypothetical world where I could squat 1500 pounds and I say I’m drug tested and someone says as a side not drug testing doesn’t necessarily mean drug free, does he have a burden of proof to prove I’m on steroids? Clear answer, no Your entrepreneur analogy is poor because it doesn’t directly tie back to the specifics of powerlifting. People compete In specific lifts for specific placings. A 600 pound bench is exceptional wether natty or enhanced but it sure matters wether or not natty or enhanced, but we can’t know . So what are you trying to say by including “drug tested” in your title, that he is natural? Turning your logic around and it’s as viable as you made it sound in your video
Saying that it is "common sense" for people to know that these athletes are on drugs in a drug tested competition, especially to people who don't compete in the sport, is completely ignorant. It is by no means "common sense".
Plus aren't you the first one to imply that he may not have been competing naturally by putting "drug tested" in the title of your video? Is that not just as gutless
Joseph Fahey saying drug tested doesn’t imply anything u moron. It’s just stating a fact, that the dude passed a drug test. If you want to read into that more that’s your choice. Nobody knows for sure except the dude himself, which was pretty clearly articulated in the video.
In you opinion, would you say that the drug users in the IPF are at least rare enough so that many of the elite IPF lifters can be natural? Or is it the unfortunate case that because of the inability to compete with enhanced lifters, that all the people at the top are the ones who cheated the tests?
The average people in my life all think drug tested means they are natural, i keep explaining to them that that is not the case and they often still think that drug tests 100% fool proof when it's not. Even my brother who has lifted for years thinks one of his friends is natty because he passed random testing of somebody coming over to his house at night to do a test.
Jonnie, you're a great lifter, an inspiration to naturals and clearly a drug-free lifter. The problem is that the majority of people in competitive sports, Olympics, fitness, crossfit, etc., are on gear. When you put a lot of money into something that is just what you attract - it is a case of statistics. Saying drug testing isn't foolproof is a waste of time - drug testing is absolutely useless. You can visibly see the difference between drug-free and drug-using lifters, once you have been around the game for a bit. There have been numerous confessions from people high-up in Olympics and sports like competitive football confirming this - the general public just aren't aware of it. I know you know of Jason Blaha, but he is a good example of somebody explaining the truth of how it is..
Using Cathy Newman.. Mega props mate. I work underground, where we get drug tested all the time.... you think those boys aren't taking hard drugs on the weekends? Hell no. Drug tests are all about timing, nothing else.
Candito trying (and failing) to pretend he's natty. We've all seen the eyebrows and we all know that it's scientifically proven that eyebrows have the most testosterone receptors, just come clean and stop making everyone else's small weak eyebrows look bad.
Sorry Jonnie love your content but the powerlifting world is still very small around the world and a lot of people know nothing about it. There's this really not so nice side to all elite sport that a lot of people are on drugs. No one is prepared to come out and just say right let's stop this sharade.
Jamie Morris how do you know a lot of people are on drugs ? Seriously, I’m not saying you’re wrong or right, but what evidence do you have to make such a blanket statement ?
Jacob Bonfante no worries mate because Lance Armstrongs whole team was on drugs, because the whole russian Olympic team well almost all were on drugs, Carl Lewis was on drugs, every bodybuilder is on gear many admit it, Louie Simmons talks about it. It goes on and on.
Jamie Morris okay so you named 3 instances in 3 separate sports.... there are hundred of thousands of professional athletes and hundreds of professional sports. Those 3 or 4 anecdotes are not enough to make the claim you made. Not trying to start an argument but the statement you made is extremely ignorant. What about all the athletes that broke records before PEDs were created ? Also bodybuilding isn’t really a sport lol, he judging is subjective.
Jacob Bonfante so you're just gonna ignore that evidence how is over 50% of an Olympic team on drugs anecdotal ? It's simple I said most I didn't say all. Bodybuilding is considered a sport wether you enjoy it or not. No argument intended either it's been a well mannered debate I think.
Jacob Bonfante oh what about the athletes that broke records before Peds ? I'm not saying all record breakers are on drugs but a lot of them are. Clarence Kennedy is another guy who has talked about the use of drugs in Olympic weightlifting. Ok I'll admit maybe they aren't used in curling or bowls maybe but still.
This should apply to the inverse as well. Often times many RUclipsrs introduce lifters as "drug-tested XYZ person lifts " as an implicit qualification for them being drug free. In these cases, this qualifier is meaningless and frankly, misleading - especially for the novice lifter.
If you put ‘drug tested’ in the video title, you’re inviting the topic into your video comments :). As soon as I saw that title (with an image of a guy who clearly looks genetically gifted or on some drugs), I literally said out loud “I bet the comments on that vid will be fun”.
I took a decent "cycle" of 20mg Ostarine, then got pressured into doing a USAPL meet for my school powerlifting club. Didn't want to because of the sarms but did it anyway, didn't get tested.
It is pointless. Those who say it never are interested in analyzing and fixing problems. It is almost always based on personal insecurity and rarely has any relevance past obvious truths.
As a member of the open world team hoping to total over 10x bw in June, I believe I am proof that a person too dumb to follow their program-let alone cheat a drug test-can do fairly well without drugs. I don’t see how someone who adheres strictly to their program and has been training longer than the 2 years I’ve been lifting couldn’t reasonably achieve a mid 500’s wilks naturally.
Doesn't the IPF have a 4 year rule for those who did take gear, but it's really just a scouts honor thing? I'd be curious to hear some opinions on certain "drug tested" lifters
But if you put "drug tested" in your titles to draw views, you`re clearly trying to provoke and get the responses like you did get. You put "drug tested"to make a semi decent lift more impressive. My point is that if you don't believe drug tested means drug free, there is no point putting it in your title.
Greg K. has a great article on how (little) steroids help in weight class sports like powerlifting. It is enough to win (5-8%) but natural strength with top tier genetics can be incredible.
It’s also pointless to compete in a tested fed if you’re not natty, yet thousands of people do it. Why taint the sport... just let the natties be natties and set genuine natural WRs, and the enhanced lifters be enhanced lifters. It just doesn’t make sense when world record IPF lifts almost match or supersede untested fed WR lifts. It’s like... what?
The statement about drug tested eq drug free being common sense is probably a consequence of your own immersion into the general sports culture. This is fairly typical of any area of expertise - there are standard facts that are considered trivial among certain groups, but are far from common knowledge. For instance, I used " eq" in the first sentence; I imagine only a small percentage reading this recognized that as TeX for "not equal", but had I emailed a colleague using that command, there would have been no question what I meant. Overall, the people that DO point that out are not doing it for general awareness. They typically do it to try to cast doubt on accomplishment or to belittle, and for that reason I completely agree that it is a pointless jab at legitimacy in the most passive aggressive way.
Don't know about that, most popular fitness youtubers I've watched love to pretend that all top level drug tested lifters are 100% natty without a twinge of doubt and then they make judgements based on that.
There are people who genuinely believe Mr Olympia winners are natural because they don't come out and say they're on grams of stuff. If you're a lifter long term you'll have a good sense of who's on or not but I think you'd be surprised by the number of people who still think that tested = clean. Pointing out in general terms that you can beat tests is one thing, but I do agree with you that it's a passive aggressive move when talking about specific cases.
At the end of the day using steroids is a tool to recover faster and endurance. Also at the end of the day the lifts that are being lifted are extreme in the past we wouldn't have seen some of these lifts. My personal opinion if you can lift the weight successfully what does it matter steroid or not? But I guess the issue here is people claiming to be 100% natural versus geared. I agree with candito on this issue though.
Just excellent man. Very well put. Ultimately when I hear people say "drug tested doesn't mean drug free" I take it as you must feel drug testing is pointless. It's like you're complaining that people are at the very least trying to fix the problem.
So what you’re saying is that everyone who watches your channel is dumb and doesn’t understand how drug testing works? In all seriousness though I always appreciate the channel 4 JBP interview reference lol
jonnie as someone who isnt super strong but is stronger than average and have daedlifted 500 and stuff... i think one of the things going on is that people jsut dont have a conception of what is possible naturally, and can't relate to whether someone is natrual or not strength levels wise. many people think its not possible and i think you can only really know that it that possible to get that strong naturally if youve embarked on that journey yourself and gotten pretty damn strong yourself ... then you have a better idea of what is possible naturally or not and then will be able to believe people like jaisyn who really have just put in work and perfected technique and incrementally gotten better over 20 years ....... what got me serious about powerlifting was meeting a friend of mine who was stronger than everyone at the gym, deadlifted 635 and getting to know him i found out he was very very natural .... before i thought everyone including you , were just lying and on steroids ..... but yea my point is just that to some degree people simply can't relate to really strong guys and belive/dont believe in large part based on how far theyve seen how strong one can get strong naturally is .... cheers
It's not a pointless statement because it's NOT obvious to common folk. The statement is almost always used to correct someone when they imply they don't know the difference between drug tested and drug free.
I have talked to a lifter in the uspa that is friends with a lot of usapl lifters and says there a lot of lifters are passing drug test. What drug testing really is. It limits how much you can take and how close you can take it. Also the video Brett gibbs made a long time ago makes the usapl and ipf look bad. He was talking about how you can Literally change your out of meet testing 2 times before it counts as a fail test on the 3rd test. That's a joke. Add that with 2 the 4 year bans for first time offenses and you find why the usapl and ipf is a joke to me. I like adfpf and wdfpf. There two reasons as to why there records are so much lower. 1. Not as well known. And I mean there insanely lower. 83kg junior squat record is 511. Which I think a vast majority would agree that's doable natural. 2. You can't say no to a drug test. If you do its a life time ban. You can't switch dates etc like in ipf. You fail a drug test and your done for life. So In all in my opinion adfpf and wdfpf is way better than usapl and ipf
I think pepole say that only when you mention this in the topic, because they want to say by that "hey, it dosent matter if he is a drug tested or not, its not an issue"
I assume its none of my business. I compete in a “ loose” federation, which only tests if your totals are suspiciously huge and even then you can just call yourself a ‘pro’ and compete untested. My other sport, cycling broke me of really giving any credence to what athletes say, Lance, so I really don’t care what is going on on the outside. Powerlifting at the level I’m doing it at I’m only trying to beat my totals anyway, whether I get some plaque or not
Olso I wanted to let you know on your deadlift program on the first phase in weeks 2 and 3 you repeat dates. I just assumed it was deadlift every 3rd day in that section.
Basically Candito wants you to have balls and to stay behind what you say. Have an opinion, dont be spineless. Not only on the topic, but in Life as well.
I actually disagree with the "We all know." Maybe within USAPL and IPF, but there are way more people out in the world than those that compete in the USAPL and IPF. I think some of the people who state 'Drug Tested Isn't Drug Free,' (note: some) are genuinely trying to educate people. I'm honestly not sure if it is or is not common knowledge amongst the masses. It could be presumptuous to assume this, as we come from a background of lifting, which I would say the average person does not. Also, I've met many people who believe that the ones who got busted were doing it, but no one else in the sport does it. Yeah it may seem silly to us, but they're not into the sport. They will just read a news headline, and that's the end of it, not think critically about it. We're into the sport and think a lot about this, but I don't think it's fair to label it as common knowledge, as you may marginalize non or new lifters. I've seen a ton of misinformation about steroids circulate. I do think, though, that there is a good percentage of people who are saying it so that they can justify being weak and lazy. They will see the greats and prefer yelling steroids, than yelling time, dedication and hard work, only cause they are not willing to give the time, dedication and hard work. It's easier to have that cognitive dissonance of "Oh, I will never be as strong as the greats, because I care about my body and won't do steroids," than it is to say, "I will never be as strong as the greats." In the context of USAPL and IPF however, I would have to agree that it is overall a useless and cowardly statement. Like you said, it is common knowledge within this in-group, and the statement is too general to really contribute to any discussion of the federation.
Do you use sumo DL because of tactical advantage or just a preference? asking since i have a very similar body type to yours. Lifted a lot more with sumo but i dont like it as much.
Two points. First, it still makes sense because it will prevent drug abuse. Second, powerlifting is a 99% genetic sports, which means it is very unfair.
I don't think the general population knows as much as you think about steroids in sports, Candito. Actually, many use NFL players as a reference to how big you can get naturally, just because they are tested. I do agree with this video for the most part though. I think people feel the need to say this sometimes because there are athletes who use the drug test to claim that they are natty beyond doubt, and this pisses off many. Simeon Panda claims natural using this argument LOL.
I agree with your points, but here's where people's problems come in. if everyone in the game knows drug tested doesn't mean drug free then what is a person trying to accomplish by saying "I am drug tested" or "this person is drug tested". you know that the person could be using even though they're tested so why would you advertise it as drug tested. it's just added on the title for views and to give them extra props. TLDR your same argument for why people shouldn't complain about it since they know tested doesn't mean free can also be used to argue that you or other people shouldn't be advertising themselves or others as tested when you or they know that doesn't mean free. it's done to get more clicks and fame even while knowing it doesn't mean THAT much.
Do you feel that based on popularity & strength per weight class and adverts, say Ray Williams... does that make the ipf less obliged to drug test them? Due to their popularity & sponsorship with SBD?
Disliked for the simple fact that "drug tested isn't drug free" is NOT obvious for most people, only those who follow really close powerlifting and other strength sports know it. The majority of people think that guys like Klokov, Ray Williams and Jaisyn Mike are life time naturals.
Hey - sorry for my bad english, I am from Germany. I think, drug abuse happens because of competition reasons. If there was no competition (for winning medals, getting attention, attract women, inferiority complex, getting paid for advertising) or comparison to others, there would be no need to enhance your performance while suffering from side-effects. Nobody would be annoyed, about the drug abuse of other persons, because only if you compare this person to you - and you are worse - envy develops. I really hope, that my text is understandable ;)
Candito, good video! I wanted to bring up another point also, hopefully this doesn't go under the "gutless" but also the poster child effect. Where if your sport makes money off of your face, and you are a "drug tested" sport, what would happen if that poster child failed a urinalysis. Again not accusing anyone of using little or any PED's, but I do question how ethical the testing process could be. If you have some time to look up Dr. Exum you can find some good article's about the US Olympic team and PED's cover ups. Again not trying to be gutless, but "the more you know"
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Hai Jonnie. Am I gonna be drug tested for how quickly I got here
You've earned a pinning my good man. Wear it with honor.
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Leo Shao caught using peds smh...
The average person DOES think drug tested means drug free. At least everyone I’ve met. Obviously most people that lift understand that it’s not that simple
99.999999% of people who lift world record numbers are natty :p it’s that simple
@@jonathanparsons7921 that's objectively false, 100% of these people blast gear. Not 99.999%, not 99.99999999999%, 100%.
I'd disagree on the "AVERAGE person knows that drug tested doesn't mean drug free", people hate on Gatlin for getting caught doping but somehow love Bolt at the same time cause they all think "obviously he doesn't dope".
Also, most of the time I use "drug tested =/= drug free" as a rebuttal "But muh -insert athlete- never failed!" I never bring it up as an initial point.
Exactly!
Those are very good points, those eyebrows definitely aren't natty
Row-gainz
They haven't even bothered to be tested.
Bullshit dude, I get into conversations with randoms about this at the gym all the time and EVERYONE thinks drug testing actually works
I remember I was looking at Brett Gibbs Instagram, someone left a comment under one of his squat videos asking if he was “drug free”... he then replied with “Im drug tested”. Not sure what he meant with that, but it was weird lol
Sahpo someone should ask Brett how it feels to finish in second place for the second time xD
The thing is, lots of casual's still actually believe drug tested means drug free though.
mxfreak212 i agree but......
We don't care about casuals, we're FREAKS
I haven’t found this to be the case at all. Most casuals I meet in everyday life believe 100% of pro athletes are on steroids.
in powerlifting specifically drug tested 99%+ of the times means drug free. People have different options if you're enhanced. There's no money in powerlifting for people to lie about it and compete in the usapl/ipf. Also you need to pay for your own shit to go to Raw Nationals and Worlds and go through a lot just to compete drug tested. Who would go through that and cheat? Very few. Not to mention they're very strict and sometimes there's unfair judging.
No finance incentive + many other options to compete in = less chance of people cheating in the sport. my 2 cents
They do cheat; I know cheaters. Some people that go to 60 person meets cheat. I'd guess 5-8% cheat, and it's not the people that finish 4th.
mxfreak212 I am still amazed to read how many people think top strongman competitors are natty because they are Not lean. So while canditos Point about accusations is valid, he seriosly understimates the lack of knowledge outside of the strength Sport bubble
Russian Olympians circa 2015 were drug tested. East German Olympians were drug tested.
With the people that I met, I have met plenty of people who think tested athletes are 100% drug free
Only one disagreement: I genuinely think the average person believes pro athletes are drug free. The average person doesn’t distinguish between drug tested and drug free. Great video though man!
I have finished your the first week of your deadlift program. 🔥🔥🔥
To be fair, many people still say things like, "He's in the NFL, so he can't be using" and other statements of that nature. I do agree with the second point greatly though in that people need to stop accusing everyone they see of steroids. Other factors play greatly into strength as well, the biggest being genetics. It's just ignorant to say someone must be using solely based upon their strength, or that they natural solely because of a test. I am with you on never trying to speak for other people when it comes to natty status.
Right, DLB is natty.
Linda H I have my suspicions about her haha. Again though, not really my place to speculate since I am far from an expert in the subject.
Johny Candito is clearly the ananolic drug lord. The Walter White of the IPF. He doesnt want us to make non assertive comment not because he thinks we are pussy but because he wants to know how good his drug are. He wants us to say "this guy is clearly on some heavy stuff he lift 300pounds more than me even tho he is drug tested". Us saying this makes him pround. Proud and hard. He likes compliment and even more power.
If you’re a powerlifter and you have VEINS on you’re biceps! You are on steroids!
FACTS!
come at me.
Is this your actual opinion or a joke?
David Shaughnessy I don't but sometimes people try to be funny by not being funny. It's not hard to have veins on your biceps. I thought everyone did.
David Shaughnessy I'm talking about Goku's comment.
Sammyv17
only the people that are 105kg+ without VEINS are NATTY!
Anyone who is below -105kg with a VEINS are not NATTY.
Straight facts
“PERIOD”
Sammyv17 *mini goku* FYI
There is a lot of nuance in this topic for sure, but unfortunately most people are too simple-minded to understand this stuff. Keep up the good work, Jonnie.
No doubt. But I do have hope that culture can swing. I honestly think most people repeat this phrase because it became a trend, but any trend can swing back. Reminds me of when people thought FFMI studies were very hardline, then nuance started creeping in to counteract it.
Did you say nuance?! Where's dr Jordan Feigenbaum
"A wealthy person visits a school to talk about entrepreneurship and a kid raises their hand to say that not all wealthy people got their money legally" - profound comparison mane
Drug Tested Isn't Drug Free period
I haven’t watched the other video because you included the “drug tested” which Is obviously not drug free necessarily so why even add that to the title? It’s like saying drug test mr Olympia. The same way you use logic of “it’s pointless to say it” then use that same logic to not add “drug tested” to the title. We could easily assume he is drug tested couldn’t we?
And ... no? The fact that someone makes a claim that drug tested doesn’t mean drug free doesn’t necessarily mean he has a burden on proof on a specific case. that person isn’t making an assertion on anyone on specific plus he is using “doesn’t necessarily” which leaves a lot of room for both options to be applicable to that individual case.
In a hypothetical world where I could squat 1500 pounds and I say I’m drug tested and someone says as a side not drug testing doesn’t necessarily mean drug free, does he have a burden of proof to prove I’m on steroids? Clear answer, no
Your entrepreneur analogy is poor because it doesn’t directly tie back to the specifics of powerlifting. People compete In specific lifts for specific placings. A 600 pound bench is exceptional wether natty or enhanced but it sure matters wether or not natty or enhanced, but we can’t know . So what are you trying to say by including “drug tested” in your title, that he is natural? Turning your logic around and it’s as viable as you made it sound in your video
Saying that it is "common sense" for people to know that these athletes are on drugs in a drug tested competition, especially to people who don't compete in the sport, is completely ignorant. It is by no means "common sense".
Plus aren't you the first one to imply that he may not have been competing naturally by putting "drug tested" in the title of your video? Is that not just as gutless
Joseph Fahey watch the video again dog he addresses this point directly
Brent Chapman Hmm. Watched it again and yea. He said the same thing the second time little butthurt boy. Video hasn't changed
Joseph Fahey saying drug tested doesn’t imply anything u moron. It’s just stating a fact, that the dude passed a drug test. If you want to read into that more that’s your choice. Nobody knows for sure except the dude himself, which was pretty clearly articulated in the video.
Joseph Fahey ouch you sound upset. I hope you can find something to brighten your day :)
The Jordan Peterson Channel 4 interview screenshot was amazing
In you opinion, would you say that the drug users in the IPF are at least rare enough so that many of the elite IPF lifters can be natural? Or is it the unfortunate case that because of the inability to compete with enhanced lifters, that all the people at the top are the ones who cheated the tests?
The average people in my life all think drug tested means they are natural, i keep explaining to them that that is not the case and they often still think that drug tests 100% fool proof when it's not. Even my brother who has lifted for years thinks one of his friends is natty because he passed random testing of somebody coming over to his house at night to do a test.
Jonnie, you're a great lifter, an inspiration to naturals and clearly a drug-free lifter. The problem is that the majority of people in competitive sports, Olympics, fitness, crossfit, etc., are on gear. When you put a lot of money into something that is just what you attract - it is a case of statistics. Saying drug testing isn't foolproof is a waste of time - drug testing is absolutely useless. You can visibly see the difference between drug-free and drug-using lifters, once you have been around the game for a bit. There have been numerous confessions from people high-up in Olympics and sports like competitive football confirming this - the general public just aren't aware of it. I know you know of Jason Blaha, but he is a good example of somebody explaining the truth of how it is..
It’s just one of those things that isn’t ever going to go away, if you let it bug you to much it will only hinder your own goals and progression.
Using Cathy Newman.. Mega props mate.
I work underground, where we get drug tested all the time.... you think those boys aren't taking hard drugs on the weekends? Hell no.
Drug tests are all about timing, nothing else.
Candito trying (and failing) to pretend he's natty. We've all seen the eyebrows and we all know that it's scientifically proven that eyebrows have the most testosterone receptors, just come clean and stop making everyone else's small weak eyebrows look bad.
been taken test for 5 minutes, only hair that's grown is my pubes
Sorry Jonnie love your content but the powerlifting world is still very small around the world and a lot of people know nothing about it. There's this really not so nice side to all elite sport that a lot of people are on drugs. No one is prepared to come out and just say right let's stop this sharade.
Jamie Morris how do you know a lot of people are on drugs ? Seriously, I’m not saying you’re wrong or right, but what evidence do you have to make such a blanket statement ?
Jacob Bonfante no worries mate because Lance Armstrongs whole team was on drugs, because the whole russian Olympic team well almost all were on drugs, Carl Lewis was on drugs, every bodybuilder is on gear many admit it, Louie Simmons talks about it. It goes on and on.
Jamie Morris okay so you named 3 instances in 3 separate sports.... there are hundred of thousands of professional athletes and hundreds of professional sports. Those 3 or 4 anecdotes are not enough to make the claim you made. Not trying to start an argument but the statement you made is extremely ignorant. What about all the athletes that broke records before PEDs were created ? Also bodybuilding isn’t really a sport lol, he judging is subjective.
Jacob Bonfante so you're just gonna ignore that evidence how is over 50% of an Olympic team on drugs anecdotal ? It's simple I said most I didn't say all. Bodybuilding is considered a sport wether you enjoy it or not. No argument intended either it's been a well mannered debate I think.
Jacob Bonfante oh what about the athletes that broke records before Peds ? I'm not saying all record breakers are on drugs but a lot of them are. Clarence Kennedy is another guy who has talked about the use of drugs in Olympic weightlifting. Ok I'll admit maybe they aren't used in curling or bowls maybe but still.
There are some idiots on the internet that thinks that strongmen and stuff are natural though.
This should apply to the inverse as well. Often times many RUclipsrs introduce lifters as "drug-tested XYZ person lifts " as an implicit qualification for them being drug free. In these cases, this qualifier is meaningless and frankly, misleading - especially for the novice lifter.
If you put ‘drug tested’ in the video title, you’re inviting the topic into your video comments :). As soon as I saw that title (with an image of a guy who clearly looks genetically gifted or on some drugs), I literally said out loud “I bet the comments on that vid will be fun”.
That Cathy Newman slam lol
I took a decent "cycle" of 20mg Ostarine, then got pressured into doing a USAPL meet for my school powerlifting club. Didn't want to because of the sarms but did it anyway, didn't get tested.
Was only on the sauce for 3 weeks, then went off completely for 6 weeks before the meet.
Alexander omg, you monster!
It's not so much a drug test, it's more an idiot test.
It is pointless. Those who say it never are interested in analyzing and fixing problems. It is almost always based on personal insecurity and rarely has any relevance past obvious truths.
candito spitting FACTS AND 69 MAKING THE HARDEST MUSIC RIGHT NOW
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As a member of the open world team hoping to total over 10x bw in June, I believe I am proof that a person too dumb to follow their program-let alone cheat a drug test-can do fairly well without drugs. I don’t see how someone who adheres strictly to their program and has been training longer than the 2 years I’ve been lifting couldn’t reasonably achieve a mid 500’s wilks naturally.
It would be a lot easier for them to not say that if you wouldn't always hearing how much better you guys think you are for being in IPF.
Juanito Candito 🔥🔥🔥
If everyone knows it, why do USAPL lifters walk around like their shit doesn’t stink talking shit about other feds because they aren’t tested?
Doesn't the IPF have a 4 year rule for those who did take gear, but it's really just a scouts honor thing? I'd be curious to hear some opinions on certain "drug tested" lifters
Speaking truth
But if you put "drug tested" in your titles to draw views, you`re clearly trying to provoke and get the responses like you did get.
You put "drug tested"to make a semi decent lift more impressive.
My point is that if you don't believe drug tested means drug free, there is no point putting it in your title.
Greg K. has a great article on how (little) steroids help in weight class sports like powerlifting. It is enough to win (5-8%) but natural strength with top tier genetics can be incredible.
I can picture Jonnie taking a couple rounds of that liquor right there at his side right before starting this rant.😂
>do you even deadlift shit
>sumo
The fucking irony
Dying at the Cathy Newman photo... if you know you know
It’s also pointless to compete in a tested fed if you’re not natty, yet thousands of people do it. Why taint the sport... just let the natties be natties and set genuine natural WRs, and the enhanced lifters be enhanced lifters. It just doesn’t make sense when world record IPF lifts almost match or supersede untested fed WR lifts. It’s like... what?
when Jonnie Candito starts to sound like slatestarcodex and now my live is complete
hey, long time. hope all is well
The statement about drug tested
eq drug free being common sense is probably a consequence of your own immersion into the general sports culture. This is fairly typical of any area of expertise - there are standard facts that are considered trivial among certain groups, but are far from common knowledge. For instance, I used "
eq" in the first sentence; I imagine only a small percentage reading this recognized that as TeX for "not equal", but had I emailed a colleague using that command, there would have been no question what I meant.
Overall, the people that DO point that out are not doing it for general awareness. They typically do it to try to cast doubt on accomplishment or to belittle, and for that reason I completely agree that it is a pointless jab at legitimacy in the most passive aggressive way.
Let's not forget too people still think Ed Coan is the natty GOAT despite him failing so many tests he got kicked out of the IPF.
Don't know about that, most popular fitness youtubers I've watched love to pretend that all top level drug tested lifters are 100% natty without a twinge of doubt and then they make judgements based on that.
But people make such a huge deal of it. And that is why it’s a big thing to say.
There are people who genuinely believe Mr Olympia winners are natural because they don't come out and say they're on grams of stuff. If you're a lifter long term you'll have a good sense of who's on or not but I think you'd be surprised by the number of people who still think that tested = clean. Pointing out in general terms that you can beat tests is one thing, but I do agree with you that it's a passive aggressive move when talking about specific cases.
At the end of the day using steroids is a tool to recover faster and endurance. Also at the end of the day the lifts that are being lifted are extreme in the past we wouldn't have seen some of these lifts. My personal opinion if you can lift the weight successfully what does it matter steroid or not? But I guess the issue here is people claiming to be 100% natural versus geared. I agree with candito on this issue though.
rich piana was my favorite full natty brah bodybuilder
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the example with the entrepreneur in the school was spot on, good job jonnie
Honestly don't care i'm just happy you upload more :)
But what happens if people are using designer steroids. Like how will they catch them? Freeze and re test steroids?
The real question is: what's in the bottle next to you?
Just excellent man. Very well put. Ultimately when I hear people say "drug tested doesn't mean drug free" I take it as you must feel drug testing is pointless. It's like you're complaining that people are at the very least trying to fix the problem.
So what you’re saying is that everyone who watches your channel is dumb and doesn’t understand how drug testing works?
In all seriousness though I always appreciate the channel 4 JBP interview reference lol
jonnie as someone who isnt super strong but is stronger than average and have daedlifted 500 and stuff... i think one of the things going on is that people jsut dont have a conception of what is possible naturally, and can't relate to whether someone is natrual or not strength levels wise. many people think its not possible and i think you can only really know that it that possible to get that strong naturally if youve embarked on that journey yourself and gotten pretty damn strong yourself ... then you have a better idea of what is possible naturally or not and then will be able to believe people like jaisyn who really have just put in work and perfected technique and incrementally gotten better over 20 years ....... what got me serious about powerlifting was meeting a friend of mine who was stronger than everyone at the gym, deadlifted 635 and getting to know him i found out he was very very natural .... before i thought everyone including you , were just lying and on steroids ..... but yea my point is just that to some degree people simply can't relate to really strong guys and belive/dont believe in large part based on how far theyve seen how strong one can get strong naturally is .... cheers
Hey dude, I believe you are a good and reasonable person; keep up the great videos.
most of people in Serbia thinks that drug tested is drug free :/
Sucks to say, but fuck it, I'll just program harder than Jesse Norris and Chad Wesley Smith.
Have to go back and catch up on the Candito boooyy!
Lol Chance "gold standard" Mitchell
I want to buy him a life size Teddybear so he can have his first friend.
It's not a pointless statement because it's NOT obvious to common folk. The statement is almost always used to correct someone when they imply they don't know the difference between drug tested and drug free.
What a brilliant video. You always explain your point so clear 👍 well done man
My natuReal channel is up and running
I have talked to a lifter in the uspa that is friends with a lot of usapl lifters and says there a lot of lifters are passing drug test.
What drug testing really is. It limits how much you can take and how close you can take it.
Also the video Brett gibbs made a long time ago makes the usapl and ipf look bad. He was talking about how you can Literally change your out of meet testing 2 times before it counts as a fail test on the 3rd test.
That's a joke. Add that with 2 the 4 year bans for first time offenses and you find why the usapl and ipf is a joke to me.
I like adfpf and wdfpf. There two reasons as to why there records are so much lower. 1. Not as well known. And I mean there insanely lower. 83kg junior squat record is 511. Which I think a vast majority would agree that's doable natural. 2. You can't say no to a drug test. If you do its a life time ban. You can't switch dates etc like in ipf. You fail a drug test and your done for life.
So In all in my opinion adfpf and wdfpf is way better than usapl and ipf
I think pepole say that only when you mention this in the topic, because they want to say by that "hey, it dosent matter if he is a drug tested or not, its not an issue"
I assume its none of my business. I compete in a “ loose” federation, which only tests if your totals are suspiciously huge and even then you can just call yourself a ‘pro’ and compete untested. My other sport, cycling broke me of really giving any credence to what athletes say, Lance, so I really don’t care what is going on on the outside. Powerlifting at the level I’m doing it at I’m only trying to beat my totals anyway, whether I get some plaque or not
Olso I wanted to let you know on your deadlift program on the first phase in weeks 2 and 3 you repeat dates. I just assumed it was deadlift every 3rd day in that section.
I agree with JC.
Basically Candito wants you to have balls and to stay behind what you say. Have an opinion, dont be spineless.
Not only on the topic, but in Life as well.
I actually disagree with the "We all know." Maybe within USAPL and IPF, but there are way more people out in the world than those that compete in the USAPL and IPF. I think some of the people who state 'Drug Tested Isn't Drug Free,' (note: some) are genuinely trying to educate people. I'm honestly not sure if it is or is not common knowledge amongst the masses. It could be presumptuous to assume this, as we come from a background of lifting, which I would say the average person does not. Also, I've met many people who believe that the ones who got busted were doing it, but no one else in the sport does it. Yeah it may seem silly to us, but they're not into the sport. They will just read a news headline, and that's the end of it, not think critically about it. We're into the sport and think a lot about this, but I don't think it's fair to label it as common knowledge, as you may marginalize non or new lifters. I've seen a ton of misinformation about steroids circulate.
I do think, though, that there is a good percentage of people who are saying it so that they can justify being weak and lazy. They will see the greats and prefer yelling steroids, than yelling time, dedication and hard work, only cause they are not willing to give the time, dedication and hard work. It's easier to have that cognitive dissonance of "Oh, I will never be as strong as the greats, because I care about my body and won't do steroids," than it is to say, "I will never be as strong as the greats."
In the context of USAPL and IPF however, I would have to agree that it is overall a useless and cowardly statement. Like you said, it is common knowledge within this in-group, and the statement is too general to really contribute to any discussion of the federation.
God I love you jonnie. Never an ounce of ego in your videos.
my man became a lobster?
Do you use sumo DL because of tactical advantage or just a preference? asking since i have a very similar body type to yours. Lifted a lot more with sumo but i dont like it as much.
Two points. First, it still makes sense because it will prevent drug abuse. Second, powerlifting is a 99% genetic sports, which means it is very unfair.
I don't think the general population knows as much as you think about steroids in sports, Candito. Actually, many use NFL players as a reference to how big you can get naturally, just because they are tested. I do agree with this video for the most part though. I think people feel the need to say this sometimes because there are athletes who use the drug test to claim that they are natty beyond doubt, and this pisses off many. Simeon Panda claims natural using this argument LOL.
I agree with your points, but here's where people's problems come in. if everyone in the game knows drug tested doesn't mean drug free then what is a person trying to accomplish by saying "I am drug tested" or "this person is drug tested". you know that the person could be using even though they're tested so why would you advertise it as drug tested. it's just added on the title for views and to give them extra props.
TLDR your same argument for why people shouldn't complain about it since they know tested doesn't mean free can also be used to argue that you or other people shouldn't be advertising themselves or others as tested when you or they know that doesn't mean free. it's done to get more clicks and fame even while knowing it doesn't mean THAT much.
What do you think of muscle biopsies? I've heard floating around the internets that it can catch use, but not sure
The problem is in your very first sentence. For other athletes its common sense, for common people its not
Nope. Drug tested isn't drug free.
can you adjust your sleeves so theyre both the same level
Candito is not natty, i mean look at that neck.
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Do you feel that based on popularity & strength per weight class and adverts, say Ray Williams... does that make the ipf less obliged to drug test them? Due to their popularity & sponsorship with SBD?
**Not claiming ray is un-natty just using him as an example first powerlifter that came to mind**
I just believe in innocent until anything else is proven, i don't care if they are on shit or not, if they strong AF they strong AF
The fact that this video even has to be made....
Disliked for the simple fact that "drug tested isn't drug free" is NOT obvious for most people, only those who follow really close powerlifting and other strength sports know it. The majority of people think that guys like Klokov, Ray Williams and Jaisyn Mike are life time naturals.
Hey - sorry for my bad english, I am from Germany. I think, drug abuse happens because of competition reasons. If there was no competition (for winning medals, getting attention, attract women, inferiority complex, getting paid for advertising) or comparison to others, there would be no need to enhance your performance while suffering from side-effects. Nobody would be annoyed, about the drug abuse of other persons, because only if you compare this person to you - and you are worse - envy develops. I really hope, that my text is understandable ;)
The picture frames are f*cking with my OCD. Please fix them
That Cathy Newman meme lol
Candito, good video! I wanted to bring up another point also, hopefully this doesn't go under the "gutless" but also the poster child effect. Where if your sport makes money off of your face, and you are a "drug tested" sport, what would happen if that poster child failed a urinalysis. Again not accusing anyone of using little or any PED's, but I do question how ethical the testing process could be. If you have some time to look up Dr. Exum you can find some good article's about the US Olympic team and PED's cover ups. Again not trying to be gutless, but "the more you know"