Why I Don't Support The IPF
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USAPL drug testing data - docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Additional Info
The USAPL's WADA only testing percentage is 4.4%. The 3.1% OMT rate is 100% WADA testing. All non-WADA tests are IMT.
In 2019, Iran had 3 drug tests and 3 positives. This shows that many nations with 0-5 tests might have a far higher rate than we'll ever know.
The top 3 highest drug testing nations are.
1. The Ukraine - 80.2% -- Note this is an extreme outlier, perhaps an error on their lifting population, but their total tests are undeniably very high.
2. Denmark - 21.6%
3. The United States - 18.9%
Top 3 highest drug testing nations in absolute terms.
1. The United States - 3,110
2. Germany - 405
3. The Ukraine - 325
If you want to see a random sample of the top 20 at 2019 IPF worlds, testing rate relative to population, here it is.
USA 18.9%
Russia 2.8%
Algeria 0
Canada 4.9%
Poland 6.3%
Britain 2.5%
NZ 4.7%
Sweden 14.8%
Ukraine 80.2%
Kazhakstan 2.4%
Finland 10.6%
Norway 16.4%
Nauru 0
Japan 0.05%
Chinese Taipei 19 drug tests (couldn't calculate percentage)
Ireland 0.9% (5 total tests)
Ecuador 3 drug tests (couldn't calculate percentage)
Estonia 7.9%
Belgium 13.4%
Spain 3.6%
5/20 nations had 0-5 tests. This shows it's not just edge cases.
0:00 Intro
2:45 Facts And Figures
12:23 2 Million Dollars To Maintain Testing Rate?
13:51 Parity
16:45 Money Meets And Scalability
18:27 The IPF Olympic Dream Is Delusional
19:42 Isn't this WADA's Rule And Not The IPF?
20:14 American Bias
21:06 Maybe Drug Testing Database Is Incomplete
21:32 Misplaced Empathy
24:42 The Jose Castillo Story 
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USAPL leaving will end ipf
Also that point about Japan having one test in a year without the pandemic is insane. I alone have had 5 out of meet tests in the past 12 months, despite covid.
No it won't lol. Do you Americans understand the world does not revolve around you?
@@vredneckv
Well technically Matt isn’t American, but I get your point.
@@vredneckv he is Canadian
@@vredneckv matt Is Canadian lmao what's up with people like you saying this exact comment on any topic of the us? If the us isn't such a big deal (which in powerlifting It is a big fucking deal) then why you guys keep saying the same shit? What these people fail to understand is like it or not, the world pretty much does revolve around the US. I find it hilarious and somewhat annoying when people fail to see that because it's so so obvious.
A few clarifying questions - of the 45% of nations that do 0 testing, how many of them are actually sending lifters to worlds? Also, saying that blood testing is less effective because it caught less people might not be a full investigation of the strategy. Who were those tests targeting? The blood tests are certainly not applied at the same level as urinalysis, so I think comparing them straight across is probably missing a fair bit of nuance. Another question - who is handling/administering/scheduling and transporting the drug tests done in the USAPL? Do you realistically think there is an issue with that not being completely outsourced? IE - drug tests being scheduled and administered by close contacts of athletes?
I do think the underlying thread of "The IPF can/should do better and test more/better" is something we can find common ground on for sure. It's unfortunate that the USAPL and the IPF couldn't find a way to sort this all without further fracturing the sport.
Nations in 2019 that sent lifters to international competition, either Worlds or Regionals, that reported no drug testing in 2019: USVI, Nicaragua, Aruba, Cayman Islands, Puerto Rico, Chile, Colombia, Guyana, Peru, Slovakia, Czechia, Hungary, Luxembourg, Iraq, Kyrgyzstan, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Nauru, Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon. Might have missed one somewhere. Notable low drug testing Japan-1, Ecuador-3
I'm not even gonna argue this. If you believe burly black american male lifters are losing to some poor kid in Senegal or north korea where they cna barely grow to 5f tall noneless eat any substantial nutrients in their diet because they're "better".
Then you're a f!cking muppet mate.
Will USAPL athletes be true national athletes going forward? They may end up holding the same status as a US lifter going to WPC or GPC worlds...with the added headache of being drug tested. Unfortunately, I foresee the death of USAPL and the birth of a compliant US federation, which is sad.
I am with you in theory, but your logic on a lot of points is so biased and misses a lot. The competitiveness and massive number of meets of the US is going to contribute a lot to the higher percent of tests than other countries. When there are so many more meets and so many different high level lifters winning different meets, a bigger number of lifters will be tested. Versus a country with a very low number of top tier lifters so the same guys win the smaller number of meets. Most of your opinions have a lot of holes similar to this.
Also, along with what Bryce said, comparing positive nonwada tests to those confirmed by wada tests is completely irrelevant. You would have test all negative nonwada tests with wada standards to compare them
I’m not sure how it goes over so many peoples heads and even people who I believe to be relatively smart that USA PL does Wada test all of its national and international level lifters. More so than most of the countries if not all. What the IPF is mad about is that USAPL is testing at local meets through a third-party and not wada. WAda wants that money, wada controls IPF so USAPL is out And IPF is hoping Keller and his crew can prop up an organization that will pay the Wada tests and no other testing agency. It’s a monopoly.
So these other countries dont test at all and the US lifters still wipe the floor with them and you expect me to believe the US lifters are natty ?
That's been my thoughts for a while, it makes literally no sense, straight up delusional..
If we're mentioning fairness at IPF worlds, then percentage of ALL lifters isn't really the best measure of comparison. Percentage of top lifters who actually compete at such a high level is more relevant rather than including tests for a bunch of local meet competitors who will never be a Worlds level competitor.
I totally agree. Powerlifting is gay.
Lmao
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Haha lmao 😂😂
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No hetero
I just imagine people driving by like "is he from the news?" lol
10:18 not an accurate way of determining effectiveness of a drug test. You dont know how the sample was chosen for the blood test, couldve (for whatever reason) been biased towards lifters who were drug free. A better way of determining effectiveness is to report its accuracy in a population of enhanced lifters: given that youre on drugs, whats the probability that you'll be caught.
Couldn't agree more.
A bit amateur to say "oh blood testing isn't very effective in that case". Err... do we know who was blood tested? Similar calibre of lifters? Higher/lower?
Ya every thing I've listened to or read from experts has said that blood tests are much better than urine.
You are confusing accuracy with validity. “Effectiveness is not a formal term
It is completely unacceptable that countries that test so little are still allowed to be IPF affiliates. On the other hand I do understand that non-WADA testing should be forbidden as you kind of lose your “testing standard”. The USAPL might have decent non-wada testing but you can’t keep track of all different individual testing procedures different countries apply. I guess that’s why there is the WADA standard
I am from algeria and we don't have an economic system ,we only have water 4-6hours in 48h so we don't even have water can't imagine actually doing drug tests😂
Bahdltna
that sounds freaking horrible wtf
@@DaLooseGoose11 it is ngl
I was surprised to see Algeria doing so well at powerlifting though, it's awesome ! 1,2,3 🇩🇿
@@BuJammy That's simply untrue, out of competition drug testing wasn't even around until the mid to late 1990s or in some sports/countries, the early 2000s. WADA as an organization only started in 1999, and the WADA code was only finalized and signed by all countries in 2004. Before that you only had in competition testing by the IOC. Basically in the 1980s anyone could dope with whatever they wanted to *out of competition* and as long as they showed up passing, there was nothing anyone could do. Ideally drug testing was supposed to be done at national level meets by the local federations, though that in practice rarely happened.
The drug testing standards at least regarding anabolics were much relaxed compared to now and you were allowed test to epitest ratios of 6:1, and there was no CIR testing, meaning everyone was essentially given license to cruise on moderate dose testosterone even in competition, and growth hormone also wasn't banned, though it was crazily expensive compared to now.
Do agree on muh GDP, though, lol.
Can anyone confirm Candito is still alive? Is he not wacked by the IPF mob? Its been 3 months since his last upload.
Although the overall testing is important, I would he very interested to see the % of tests from lifters that compete at the national level or higher. IMO much more relevant
usapl just has their head up their ass. thinking they better by doing subpar quality drugtests and removing athletes based on that results. i fully believe the usapl will be gone in a couple years implosion by arrogance.
@@absolutenerd1989 lmao what. ipf doesnt drugtest at all in some places as mentioned
I don't think that USAPL doing more non WADA compliant test should have been a reason to split/be expelled firm the IPF. But the fact that these extra tests are controlled and adminstered by the USAPL itself and not an independent org is just stupid to me.
Cough*CrossFit*cough
It Is not Just stupid, It Is Simply wrong
They are not controlled by USA Powerlifting. A third party tester does the testing. Samples are collected by doping control officers who are typically referees, that is true. But the actual testing is handled by a company like Quest Laboratories
@@lurchman76 who decides when an athlete gets tested though? I honestly don't know other than seeing other people comment before on the lack of independence in the testing
@@graeme7362 in meet is decided by the meet director at the local-state level. At Nationals there is a dedicated doping control officer who hand picks who gets tested. Having control over our doping program has been vital to its success in actually catching dopers. Their Are telltale signs of doping, being able to leverage the skill and experience in pinpointing that is important. The administration of the tests by lightly trained referees is a risk for sure. But tests still go to a certified facility and many end up at a WADA/USADA facility. And most go through a WADA panel test to find all the drugs WADA tests for.
The argument about who administers the test is valid. Probably needs some work minimize risk for everyone involved; athletes, doping control officers, and the organization. That's an operations thing. The important distinction is the doping selection process shouldn't be surrendered to a third party like the IPF. Why should we give control to a third party? Worst of all we would have to give up control and have zero input on who gets tested and we'd have no knowledge of who got tested. And We'd have to foot the bill.
Great video. A lot of good points. I had a thought: do cheaper drug tests have a higher likelihood of false positives? I don’t know the mechanics of the tests so maybe this is impossible but it was an idea that popped into my head.
On the spreadsheet he shows at 2:55 you see Canada with 122 urine tests + 38 blood tests = the 160 test he shows, but with USA it says 720 urine tests + 0 blood tests. Where is he getting the last 2500 or so tests?
I like candito but he is super biased with this the problem isnt that the us is testing the problem is that the usapl testing is not fair they dont habe 3rd part testing
And again no clue where these numbers come from (also even when they test like 90% of people it again does not matter if the testing is not 3rd party)
I guess the rest of the tests on top of those 720 were probably non-WADA tests. Still, what's the point of even bringing those non-WADA tests into the equation if they are not up with the standards. I believe this is the main issue in this whole USAPL vs IPF situation, which Candito fails to understand for some reason.
A lot of his numbers didn't make sense. "Ukraine actually has more drug tests than Denmark and Finland." Yeah, no shit. Ukraine has four times the population of Denmark and Finland combined.
@@vredneckv which basically means they have 0 tests and not thousands
My answer was a bit taken out of context. From 2011 to 2018 we paid all the Wada Testing by ourself, still with a high testing quote.
Thats what i wrote after that:
As we in Germany are mainly a non profit Organisation and ruled by volunteers.
We have to work for the athletes to be able to compete, and of course, to be able to compete in the IPF. This is practicaly our main purpose.
My question is: What is the main purpose of the USAPL?
And when the answer of that quastion is the same, they should fullfill the requirements.
To Other Nations: I dont want to pointing on poor nations, as one of the richest countries in the world (USA should also not) and i also think the IPF databases about drug testing are not 100% complete. But Yes, the target has to be to increase the testing rate in all those smaller nations. I think a minimum testing rate would lead into excluding a lot of nations, which also wouldnt be good for the sport. Instead the IPF/WADA should do more OOC Tests directly on international athletes. So that the costs are covered through the international community for the smaller Nations.
I love that he has different camera set up for different angles for dramatic effects
It's a shame to see drug-tested powerlifting go the same way as natural bodybuilding; being fractured into so many federations that they all end up losing credibility and prestige. You win the Mr Olympia, everyone knows you're the champ. But in natural bodybuilding, they have the Natural Olympia, The Yorton Cup, WNBF Worlds, DFAC Worlds... the list goes on - so nobody is like THE CHAMP, you know? It'd be a shame to see the same happen to powerlifting.
Abrupt ending, hahah, but yeah a really hard hitting video, dude. Your point about Layne Norton's comment was really good, that lack of self-awareness, and it's great that you touched on Clarence Kennedy's video, too. It would be great to see a discussion between you guys, sometime, not a debate, but just for us to see how two different elite level guys that practice strength sports think about the different rules and organisations.
With regards to the 3110 drug tests done my the USAPL, how many of those tests were WADA tests?
Would be interesting to know the allocation of the WADA vs NWADA tests. For example are the top lifters getting frequent non isotope ratio tests? And the local meets getting the WADA tests where catching someone is less of a big deal.
Where is Jonnie
Targeting testing rather than random testing could be a lot more effective at a much lower percentage of population.
Good data science work! Did you post your code to Git? /s
I agree that the USAPL and IPF split will hurt both sides and tested powerlifting as a whole.
I also agree that countries getting away with little to no drug testing should not be a thing.
I dont agree with the assessment that testing with worse tests at an amateur level will somehow make the sport cleaner. While administering additional tests at a regional level certainly looks good it really doesnt do anything. There is no monetary incentive to use PEDs in our sport anyway and even less incentive to do it at a regional level. But lets say some guy does abuse drugs and is not tested at a regional level whats the worst thats gonna happen? He's gonna win a state championship of fucking Nebraska or whatever and that is about it. As soon as he steps on a national level he will still be tested and will most likely fail those better tests.
I thought Jonnie was pointing a gun at me in the beginning of the video lol
I’m in Australia ipf is my only real tested option right now 😩😩
Doing an international usapl meet if that becomes a thing is on my bucket list
Well I'm a big fan of being pragmatic, and as long as your host nation tests at a decent rate (hopefully 10%+), then all is well. I'd just consider that international membership to the USAPL if at the world level, instead of the IPF.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ Australia has some pretty strict rules for sports getting government funding of which is being affiliated with ASADA (now SIA due to government rebrand). That being said there are always questions about testing frequency, and whether you can get around anti-doping by going hard on PEDs whilst young or in lower competition levels where anti-doping is not strictly enforced for every competitor.
This has been exploited from time to time but anti-doping has it's limits on what it can and can't do.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ yes I just added that to my comment, raw nats looks like so much fun it’d be amazing to travel to the US to do an international meet one day
Can we even do meets here yet, I still can't go to the damn gym lol Sydney. I was supposed to do a meet right at the start of covid.
@@countofst.germain6417 Yeah meets have started again and gyms should be open everywhere in Sydney? I missed out on a meet in 2020 and I missed out on nationals this year from covid lol
Terrific vid - thanks. I could see USAPL becoming like the NCAA men's basketball tourney. The teams at the top aren't as good as they used to be, because of 1 and done, and the G League. But the tourney itself is still exciting competition. USAPL will lose plenty of elite lifters, but Nats etc. will still be entertaining, and of course, state and local meets will go on as usual. If they DO lose lifters to USPA, it won't be because of this IPF split. The REAL problem, IMO is, IPF Constitution, Article 14, paragraph 2.
You can’t compare accuracy of the different tests by which one turned up more positives where those that pass nonwada aren’t then tested by wada standards. This is especially true if the Wada test number you used include Wada test that proceeded a positive nonwada test.
I was thinking this too
Bro what???
at 13.55 "one lifter per nation can compete at worlds" is totally false. The rules are you can send 8 guys (8 for male, 7 for female) per nation into each age group. How the country itself divides it between weight classes is up to themselves, and that USAPL only sends one guy per weight class it's their choice, not the IPF's fault. They could send 2 guys to the 83s, 93s, 105s and 120s, and that would be absolutely fine. But they chose not to, so don't blame IPF for that.
Also the fact that the top 5 in the 83s within USAPL is still better than the 2nd best at worlds is kinda suspicious no matter how many drug tests are done. You got Russel beating guys with 50kg+, Atwood beating guys with 75kg+. You even got Jake Amendola benching almost 50kg more than the guy that won worlds this year. It doesn't seem right, does it? You got other nations who are way way worse at drug testing, who are still beeing way way behind a USAPL lifter. You even got guys who has tested positive for AAS and there is still a USAPL lifter outlifting that person by ALOT. I know it's basically a meme at this point, but drug tested does not mean drug free. And that most USAPL lifters are way way better than other countries, even though they are tested more, it just seems wrong. Could it be since USA has a really big population and therefor there is a bigger chance you got a genetic freak popping up from nowhere? Possibly. But then we would most likely see someone similar in either China or India since they have 4-5 times USA's population.
330 million people for a talent pool, and American Football has a staggering amount to do with athletic development in this country. Maybe part of it has to do with the competitive environment that we have. It seems super lame to me to say "they're good and that is the evidence they are cheating".
@@lolwutno the point is that we already know there's a very little chance you can be stronger than un un-natural lifter who's probably already in the top 1% genetics. The fact that you have multiple people in the same country doing so and some of them being at the top with 40-50kg+ differential seems like a 1 in a BILION situation, and we have at least 3 athlethes in USA with these charateristics. I'm not one of those who's 100% sure Russel, Taylor and Ashton are un-natural, but their numbers just make it almost impossible to be 100% sure they're natural, even if they're drug tested and all. Oh, and let's not forget that USA has a shockingly high number of high school students taking PED to get into professional sports leagues, you never know what has been done in the past and how much of an impact it has on their current strenght development.
@@Lollonman1 If you "can't know" then why are you so emotionally invested? "They're so good that they must be cheating" is literally the lamest attitude. Cope.
I dont think someone like Russel is a Life Time natty. There's also a different problem as far as I know. Somone who ever was on the juice is never natty again. I saw good points that you will have a certain muscle adventage all your life. So of course drug testing is negative. The whole thing is a big joke.
@@lolwutno how am I emotionally invested? I'm literally a dude training in the gym who follows these guys on Ig and occasionally watches competitions. We are just having a conversation here, there's no need to become salty and I'm definetely not invested into trying to prove these guys are doped or natural. Chill out.
I’d like to see how many top 10 lifters are getting tested in each weight class for the United States. A lot of these guys and girls top 5 especially just are not convincing me they are natural. I think these test need to target higher level lifters, I think they’re probably hitting mostly average lifters
I don't see how anyone can compare USAPL and WADA tests. At least for me, a non independent org test is the same as no test, you cannot rate yourself, not even mentioning how easy is to defeat an urine test in contrast to a blood sample... An independent test org is needed, how is this implemented is the real question.
when Johnny talks.... I listen!!
excellent conclusion too brah
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Check out Barbell Medicine and low back pain. They have some really encouraging information for you. Don't stress it is my advice and be as active as you can. Also train as hard as you comfortably can
That is a copious amount of bokeh. What lens do you use?
That Hodgetwins clip was gold 🤣
I would be interested in how the tests lay, local vs National vs international. Because outside of national and international I think it's waste of resources.
Is Jonnie dead?
Jonnie you are the hero we don’t deserve. Not all heroes wear singlets..
ID on that jacket tho? Jonnie be dripping gold sheesh
4:50 the nostalgia hit me hard here
Itd be useful to know how easy it is to pass drug tests if you KNOW when you're getting tested. Because if you can catch steroids a year in the past, then testing at worlds should be the most important thing, because that's who people look to in general, rather than national champions.
If however you can test clean with say 2 months notice, then the problem is much much harder.
Either way, the fact that at worlds they don't AUTOMATICALLY test the top 5 lifters and those who break or come close to a world record is unfortunate to me (not sure what their protocol is exactly)
You can't test for testosterone beyond the CIR and epitest tests, and if you use short esters like testosterone suspension you can actually be theoretically clean in 24 hours. If you had state sponsorship you could also beat CIR testing by getting testosterone made from cholesterol rather than from soybeans and yams like most pharma test is made from.
The only drugs that can be tested for years out are the older oral steroids like dianabol, turinabol, etc, due to them leaving metabolites in fat cells similar to how THC has longterm fat metabolites. Those were the most popular drugs in powerlifting and Olympic weightlifting as testosterone beyond a low dose bloats you up way too much and you get huge and swole, but your strength doesn't go up proportionally like with those drugs. Testosterone is still plenty performance enhancing compared to not having it at all, as you could do way more training and not overtrain compared to being natural and get moderate strength increases from the drug alone, so only in meet testing would mean testosterone is defacto legalized to take as long as you can figure out a way to PCT before the meet a month out or so, you'd 100% pass the test.
dawg, where was the smooth outro
IMAX level camera quality!!
if everyone that was competing gave samples four times a years that where stored not tested and only after the comp the top 3 could be checked back on to make sure they where clean all year around it would rule out most foul play and still be cheap,just pee in a jar
The lighting in this video combined with the shadows on Jonnie's eyes are giving off major uncanny valley vibes. Otherwise great video. Those libertarian bits made me chuckle every time
Imagine you go to worlds to lift against a nation who isn't "tested enough" : oh my lord no
Imagine you go to worlds to lift against rouska and such but they are tested : oh yes this feels right
Rouska chooses not to compete at worlds
@out yet chooses not to be drug tested randomly throughout the year by not going worlds the past 4 years..
@@MrFuryz he’s drug tested at every single local meet he chooses to compete at. I go to the same locals as him
@@Target13808 I know that I'm there. But why not take world titles? Because you can't be bothered to be great or because you don't want to be drug tested when you can't prepare for it?
@@MrFuryz rouska is a Jr world champion and does in fact get out of meet tested throughout the year. He barely won the open this year and the covid situation was a very real concern as to not go
My first IPF affiliate meet is in 1 week with Australian Powerlifting Union, do you happen to know if they drug test?
Yes, Apu is an ipf affiliate, they are the drug tested fed in Australia
I'm not fully convinced but you really make a good point, and I didn't even know about powerlifting politics half an hour ago 😁
you look like you're in Cailer Woolam' gym! all the love from Australia!
That last part of the video was just insane i never knew about that lidter from the Ecuador
Yea he beat Bret, but Bret was later mailed the gold from the IPF after Jose popped and banned. He's done BB since. A shit stain on Ecuadorian PL, but more for getting himself caught than for using roids. It's assumed all top guys here juice because it's assumed all other countries do it at international level meets.
When I look at powerlifting and strongman there are tons of competitions and federations that do not drug test at all. It's not hard to tell who is on and who isn't on steroids by looking at physiques and lifts.
The amount of research put into this vid is slept on. Appreciate you buddy.
I'm afraid USAPL will become a kind of circus business and nothing else ... but I hope I'm wrong
Ok bro. You definitely lift at my gym. Going over your older videos from different areas in the gym I've confirmed it but I never see you there! I'm guessing you go very early in the morning(I work first shift) or you go very late at night(I have kids and I'm out of the gym by 730pm. Would be awesome to meet up for a session just once. Not looking to be in a video (I'm ugly as shit), would just love some pointers.
Did the IPF wack Jonny Candito CanditoTrainingHQ?
He hasn’t posted in 4 months.
I’m getting worried.
He posts on Instagram still. Said recently that he’s gonna start uploading once a week on here
you cant imagine how much i appreciate the elgintensity zero and hodgetwins outro
Honestly pretty over both the USAPL and IPF but I have to agree with this. Hopefully a lot of the things that weren't so great about the USAPL change as they move away from the IPF, but I'll be shocked.
thenk you jonie
I saw that exact shirt at a thrift store and walked away from it. It will be my biggest regret
Yeah.......and these young Powerlifters in my Gym still think they are all natural.
Powerlifting America is founded as a new IPF affiliate if I am correct? Already a knife in the back to USAPL. Btw, you also didn't mention WADA exemptions for growth hormone, if your doctor prescribes you!
Very thorough
My opinion is that this comes down to a very simple difference in objective. The USAPL’s objective is to provide the cleanest platform that’s practically possible (you never guarantee it, but you can do your best, which I believe they are doing). The IPFs objective is to get to the Olympics (not a goal of a clean platform). The USAPL wants to catch cheaters, while the IPF wants to look like there aren’t any cheaters so they can seem better than Weightlifting. It’s suuuuuuuper sketchy that all the IPF blood tests came back clean in 2019… is it a bit sketchy that the USAPL does their own drug tests at the local level, but why would they even do them at all and cause this drama if they didn’t want to catch people? Why not just comply with WADA and do less testing if they wanted to help their lifters cheat? Doesn’t make sense.
Yeah, the reason I personally don't like the IPF is while I'd be happy to have powerlifting included alongside Olympic lifting in the Olympics, the IPF is trying to overtake Olympic weightlifting as the main Olympic strength sport. They're absolutely giddy about the things going on with the IWF, thinking it's their time in the sun now for inclusion into the Olympics. But the IPF imo at least as far as testing but also other weird political things like gear, etc, seems about IWF level corrupt already, just much smaller and less relevant.
Danish lifter with some inputs:
It's absolute horse shit that a highly tested nation like our own is supposed to compete on an even field with nations with 0 or barely any testing done. PEDs are actually straight up not legal in Denmark, not just in terms of sports, but banned by law. I don't have any aspirations to compete internationally, even though my total is above the current national record in my weight class, and knowing I'd be going up against nations without testing is definitely part of the reason why I don't feel motivated to do so.
Ur just not strong enough
Reckon USAPL might get together with Powerlifting Australia?
PA is like the most corrupt and fucked up org in the country lmao, so no
Preach bro 💯
Super strong and interesting arguments. But i don't think making the sport the America show simply because the u.s. has the population numbers makes sense either. It's a fudge dog of a situation and I honestly had no idea (UK ipf lifter here) that so many countries didn't even test. In the UK though there isn't really a legit fed competition either.
Wya Jonnie
love to hear a bitta clout on Gibbs' name. hoping I can follow in his footsteps and make my way to IPF worlds 🙏
How much you tall
6:38 oh Jonnie! 😍
Straight fire and facts.
How far back can WADA find testosterone usage?
I can't even tell the difference between enhanced powerlifter and a strong one it's only obvious to me when they pulling weights like dangreen so at this point because my lack of experience i just assume that everyone is just that strong naturally until they get to elit level
It’s not worth the cost testing people who aren’t at the top/winning etc though is it?
tastes so good that i actually have it at the end of the day is actually a good sales pitch
USAPL let Dbol sandy compete in tested
Oh how the turntables
Does the IPF not do any drug testing in international competitions? Are athletes only subject to drug tests by their country's affiliate? Because if so then I understand why a country not doing any drug testing would be unfair, but if the IPF tests at worlds then the fact that some countries don't do tests themselves is less of an issue.
Very interesting video
Meme-game on point!
Feeling threatened by the hawk pointing a gun at me
Is Taylor Atwood as natty as you are?
whens the new video brah
To make things simpler: Why doesn't everyone just get tested prior to a meet? OR, have ALL registered lifters get tested once every 6 months, regardless of competition participation.
money, it's expensive
Plus if it's not random you can clear the PED fairly quickly.
additional testing could mean anything. I could walk around meets, let people pee into cups and declare them negative. labeling that an official drug test.
Anyone have any idea how usapl athletes are hanging with and doing better than athletes from countries that have much lower rates of drug testing ?
American Lifters start training and compete much earlier than the rest of the world, see all the information in openpowerlifting The minimum age to compete around the world is 14 years old While in the United States it is 5 years old
I dont see the problem with drugs, make 2 divisions, drug free and drug usage. People can choose where to go, but obviously people dont want to see normal, they want to se superhumans, it already happens, this is the state we live in.
every power lifter I know has for a long time or still does and I dont know any that have been tested.
What about USAPL and IPF both giving slaps on writs to people who take Tren? Instead of a permanent ban like the WRPF or USPA does? Why do they not lifetime ban these offenses to begin with?
Not defending ipf but i´m 16yo and have been tested so at least in Finland the testing is strict.
That's why i like watching strongman. no natty or not politics. I think they just test for amphetamenes.
Wait.... Canada isn't a US state?
Does this also mean US Virgin Island listers shouldn't lift in IPF?
did the IPF just start being laxed about drug testing or has it been going on for the 22 yrs that USAPL was the US affiliate?? Find it hard to believe they JUST became corrupt but were fine for the last 22 years. Up until two week ago officials at USAPL events were walking around with their IFP scarfs and ties.
Don't guys just cycle off a few weeks before testing lol
Why even test? The entire sport is a juice fest, and that’s cool.
Over 2 months since a Candito upload.. the IPF must have gotten him 💀
In many countrys IPF is only tested federation and if u compete in any event not registred with IPF u get 2 year ban from IPF held events. So even small regional events are registred under IPF events, where most competitors are juniors who just wanna compare results with each other in controlled enviroment, events where in -105 adults u can get podium with 450kg total. This ramps up number of competitors, obv no one spends money to test people in events like that.
Jonnie putting up the Ancap flag I'm so aroused.