TopSpin 2K25's mechanics are... different - Developer Interview
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2024
- TopSpin 2K25 sees the TopSpin game series return for the first time in over a decade, and is set to launch on Xbox, PlayStation and PC in April. Ahead of the game's release, Mirror Gaming's Nathan Bliss travelled to Paris to get hands on time with the game, and spoke to Game Director Remi Ercolani about the new gameplay mechanics.
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Ok, so glad to hear this is coming out. If I’m honest can’t say I was blown away by the gameplay or graphics.
I’ll be optimistic until the game is in my hands. Also the lack of players is a little concerning? Very small roster… I’m hoping players are added along the way? I’m still looking forward to this title because TS 4 was sweet .
"visual quality" and then we see someone who doesn't even remind Carlos Alcaraz🤣
😂 true but in the end the gameplay will make or break it
I’m still buying this game but the player faces in this are a straight downgrade. Going from realistic ones to these weird cartoony animated ones is extremely low budget and hurts to look at
The appearances from what I’m seeing look good, it’s just the animation that’s making it look shoddy.
@@lte6983They’re not cartoony, don’t know what you’re seeing there. It’s the animation that needs work.
@@jgooner894 lol what? Look at Federer’s models face or Alcaraz. That’s cartoony. Nothing to do with animations
Are we gonna get only central courts on slams? Or every slam also gets few outside courts too?
Some are saying the graphics are dated and look like a remaster of Top Spin 4, but PC didn't even have the official version of Top Spin 3 and 4 and now it has an official version without emulation, keep calm guys, we were lucky For 2K to want to be nice to PC players this time, imagine if it had been announced just for consoles again 😅
Very true be happy for what you have.
@@krishnakumar2390 no... dont be happy for what you have, you are paying good money, they need to do better in 2024... go look back at rockstar table tennis from 2006, its absolutely embarrassing for this game that a game from nearly 20 years ago looks very very close visually and i would argue the cloth physics are better in that game, in TS2k25 the cloth physics are actually terrible, spazzing out all over the place in cutscenes (not shown in this interview but there are previews out with gameplay). They should be embarrassed.
@@jinx20001 okay sir
@@krishnakumar2390 we gotta have higher standards brother, even if we both want to enjoy the game.
@@jinx20001 agree sir
Good thing they have a Developer that worked on the older Top Spin games. Having the source material from 2k Czech team. Tennis World Tour was missing that feeling of Top Spin 4, even though it was a decent tennis simulation. The gameplay video showed it is similar feeling to TS 4. Really really excited for this. Will be getting the Physical Pre Order.
The reason i still have my PS3 console because of Top Spin 4 game.
Ty for the effort put into the game. So happy it's being released 😁
Are you being sarcastic?
@@jayp123 no lol. i'm happy about the game
On the normal difficulty it didn’t look like mistimed shots from players resulted in many errors. So many mistimed shots shouldn’t result in shots that land in the court still but is that effected by difficulty levels? I’d like to see more errors on harder ones.
I will definitely give it a try... but based on the gameplay videos circulating online, there is little reassurance. The game director claiming to be a tennis fan and then approving the release of such a product is paradoxical. The care and love for this sport can be recognized from the quality of the animations and the precision with which the different playing styles that distinguish each player are identified. And it doesn't require extravagant film sets for motion capture; Tennis Elbow 2013, with its latest patches, is proof of that. The playing styles are replicated perfectly without motion capture... that is love for a tennis game, and it is what true tennis fans look for in a video game.
Yeah the graphics look absolutely ass for a ps5 game. I hope that was the ps4 version they were showing😅. Loved topspin 4, really hope this doesnt dissapoint. Ive been waiting a long time for this!
Pretty sure that was the PS5 version. The graphics being so disappointing comes down to them not leaving behind last gen and having to code for the lowest common denominator. It's a shame this isn't next gen only.
@@DaHammerOfGod That's just not true look at PS4 games like Red Dead, God of War, Spiderman or other Sport games they are miles ahead graphic wise. 2K just didn't commit 100% to this game they wanna see first if it's profitable.
@@P4NTERA_Yeah you're not wrong but still catering to old gen when we're more than halfway through next "current" gen is just crazy and doesn't help the graphics situation
@@DaHammerOfGodIt is better to go cross gen because it lets more people play. For a game series coming back after over a decade, they need as many players as they can get. If this is a success then the next game will likely be next-gen only and have substantially better graphics.
How to play this game online? On which platform(ps4,ps5) it will work?
Dedicated servers..as a life long top spin fan from 3,4 and tennis world tour i buy these for online online.. PLEASE have dedicated servers with low ping. Its sucks having bad lag please i beg of you all... better servers and tournament for online!
The game is not a live service game it is Topspin 4 remastered..
@@time2shinex707 it has online right? That's what I'm talking about. I buy it for the online. Id happy pay for better online
Ok now please update the player's grunts, especiall Alcaraz's. And personally I would love it more if the devs can bring court view mode (behind-the-player) to the matches
Playing it right now..the gameplay is just simply AWESOME
Looking forward to the game. Worked a lot on the crowd, looks exactly the same as TS4.
At this point, I feel like I’m getting access to a Top Spin game again. Nothing here screams innovation. It seems like minor tweaks and updates to the old game.
I loved TS4, so I’ll buy this. But I feel like they could have done more in terms of game modes. Maybe they’ll reveal more closer to release.
Yes hopefully they have a lot in store..
They aren't sure how they are gonna perform business wise so they did not went all in with budget, they would have killed it if they did..
Would you be able to do a gran willy play?
There is online play? Can i play doubles with my friends?
There's still some things to improve, for example the clothes and the hair moving way too much when the players are just walking or standing up. I mean, just look at McEnroes hair wobble like jello when he's moving his head just a little. And the ball hitting sounds don't sound right either, and slice shots sound like flat shots.
Will the game have the inside out shot type?
Yes
Topspin 4 did
honestly if it the gameplay holds up this can look as good as the 2011..... idgf
Is there no coin toss? Or win head to head record?
Dev = visual quality = Andy Murray = 🙃
basically just a remastered top spin 4 wit slightly better graphics and HUD update
I hope they get the courts correct, Cincy was a horrible brown court where you couldn't see the ball and Shanghai was a black court that was painful to look at in TS4. For tennis fans, authentic courts and all the big tournaments will be crucial. (Bercy is not carpet anymore and wasn't in 2011!)
😊😊 I’m glad it’s back 🎉🎉
Hopefully we can get challenging calls patched in, or in the next game. Not a dealbreaker but will be nice eventually! And I’m just glad we’re getting anything similar to TS4.
Probably won’t happen considering challenges are going to stop happening in 2025 in tennis as they are moving to computer calls only.
I am looking forward to buying top spin 2k 2025 , top spin 4 was a good tennis game so i think the new top spin game will be good,
The best time to bring it back is when iconic adored players have retired or almost retired?
They’d he far more interest in a tennis game at the peak of the big 4 than there is now
I wish they kept the net desgin from topspin 4
So can you turn off the shot meter? I don’t need the visual assistance.
Now it’s meter tennis. You’re not watching the distance, bounce, etc to get the swing timing correct, you’re playing METER tennis watching the meter trying to hit a green spot every single time instead of watching your player. I hate that. PLEASE let us turn off the meters.
I'm sure you can
@@TheSupinesmokey People keep saying that but I have yet to see one video clip without it so now I’m worried lol. I guess you can just try and ignore the meter but still.... I’ll be getting the game regardless to kick my brothers ass 😁
You need to fix the standard swat forehand , it looks un professional, you adapted it in topspin 3 and 4 ..You also need s follow player 1 cam to the net , for serve and volley players ..
I'll be happy if Rybakina is in it, but also why are you wasting slots on legends and retired players 🤬 also we expect more current players, who are we going to win titles against, the same 2 or 3 players?
Im so happy new top spin out so soon ! didnt think it would come back .. However presentation not too great but Roster is my biggest disappointment, 24 confirmed pros ? and like half of that is legengs? i'd much rather have more current pros than legends if that means we only get like 12 current pros .. Well im sure im gonna enjoy the game anyways, best tennis game for me
Please more gameplay
Check out our Gameplay Preview! - ruclips.net/video/P_Dpd4s3v-k/видео.html
As long as the play mechanics are similar to topspin 4, that's enough for me. All the others that have come after, their mechanics were terrible. Also 4 still looked the best in tersm of the appearance of the player.
"As a tennis fan," he said, but players didn't even have serve preparation 😮💨
The players lack any kind of preparation... not only in terms of their serve, but there is also a lack of attention to what is called the "flow" of the game, which refers to the movements leading up to the impact that are executed with extreme precision and smoothness. The "unit turn" is done poorly and lacks timing. Showing these images and claiming to be a tennis fan is PARADOXICAL.
it seems a ps4 game or even ps3 ..i hope in the gameplay
Mo-Cap sessions and swings? Jump in visual quality?! Bruv… WHERE!?
Graphics is from old game it should be TopSpin 2K15 not 25. This looks like fast money grab by releasing just an update of old game with minimal effort. It is not what we deserve, add at least top 50 ATP players. For asking price you should have ATP and WTA license
Please have these players in game 🙏🏾
Coco Gauff
Sloan Stephens
Madison Keys
Sachia Vickery
Naomi Osaka
Alycia Parks
Taylor Townsend
Damn 50% of those players are unpopular lol
@@buinhat9229 ain’t noway lol
The graphics are not 2024.
Why are all the shots straight
No angled or huge slice drop shots or lobs? In every Gameplay footage ive seen.. Lack of skill from players or game physic mechanics? 🤔 🎾
agreed. very concerned about the lack of shot variety and ball spin from these gameplay clips. The ground strokes look painfully slow and repetitive, and the winners don't appear to be exceptional shots, just the AI deciding the rally shouldn't carry on any longer
If it follows topspin 4 there was a control shot button that allowed you to hit short angles.
@@Chris-xc4rv I vaguely remember that from TS4, yeah. It worked pretty well. I'm still excited for the new game and I *want* it to be great...I have to say I'm pretty underwhelmed by this gameplay footage so far though
@@dougcarll6830 yeah, I would've rather them straight up copy the mechanic and graphics from 4 with just an updated roster to be honest
Agreed. It does look like a lot of carryover from TS4 to be fair. Maybe a surprising amount, considering that was 2011 (?)
maybe I'm expecting way too much but I'm a pretty big tennis fan and played competitively growing up-- IMHO this gameplay just looks like it has no "oomph". I know it still has to be fun and playable-- it's a video game after all-- but this makes top pros appear to play more like talented teenage players
Hitting harder than ever? This is the same powderpuff nonsense the Tennis World Tour games had going on. All the footage shows serves being rolled in and then followed by a 25 shot rally because the ball is moving so slow.
This definitely concerns me. There's no sense of speed whatsoever on the groundstrokes. I don't know if it's just not in the game or it's a lack of skill by the player operating the sticks.
@@DaHammerOfGod I think lack of skill.
i had the same exact reaction. I love sports sims and it really frustrates me when the tempo of the game doesn't mimic the real thing...the ground strokes in the gameplay footage seem to be lacking pace and proper ball physics...it looks VERY slow and clumsy for professional tennis and the ground strokes don't seem to have much pace or spin at all
Matchmaking is broken. we need a mmr and tier system for world tour mode. make players earn their way to higher tiers by meeting certain point thresholds (e.g. challengers, 500s, masters, grand slams) if we win =earn points, lose = deduct points and match players within the same tier or no more than 1 tier above....and nerf the serve attribute, we should not be hitting 125mph serves with 30 serve rating..
Federer better not have a weak backhand..his later career he stomped Nadal with that backhand
He doesn't!
@@Mirror.Gaming omg that's mind blowing after 3 ,4 and twt2
@rvtsecure7404 what is it because his backhand was very solid and a weapon after he changed racquets
@rvtsecure7404 that is annoying since his talent isn't balanced... and i bet nadal and novak will be rated higher in dlc
@@trounbyfireThat’s probably because through most of their careers they’ve been strong off of both wings. Even when you see Federer later in his backhand is still weaker
Oof. Look at all the clipping and texture warping going on with Iga's and Coco's clothes beginning at 7:20. That's something you'd see in a 10 dollar fan game, not a professional production.
Please fix Steffi Graf, forehand animation is really bad and not her signature movement.
The Face is also not authentic. It’s the first time that she’s in a video game and it should be made better. Also her clothes that’s she’s wearing is far away what she’s wearing at her active time. And she’s moaning in top spin 5. she never was moaning. 😢
Moaning? 💀💀💀
Who is he kidding lol, it looks just like Top Spin 4
Ok. So gameplay Is worst than top spin 4 and players and cut scenes looks weird. But still seems like new best tennis game.
Gameplay seems to be better as they basically just recoded the game from TS4. So it can literally only be better. The ball physics are significantly better from what I’ve seen as well as animations for some of the players
The Switch can handle this game's dated visuals. But ok, their decision to pass up 140+ million user base
99 dollar for this? The grunts are not the same and it is kinda slow, graphics are aweful
Don’t buy it
Well done man👏👏
You screwed and destroyed the game very well!
Except for Serena and Federer the mechanics are not different except for the gauge. The player movements and the hitting is a complete replica of TopSpin 2K25. With that being said the main issue is not even the repeated mechanics...it's the abysmal roster. I said I wouldn't play this game without Serena and I have been served!! But man 25 players....in 2024. That's tragic. Get lower ranked players FFS.
What about commentary? Without it, it totally sucks.
i'll be #1 in the world. Easily
AMAZING AMAZING GAMEPLAY!! CANT PUT THE GAME DOWN! PLEASE BUILD ON IT..
2024 and the game is behind TopSpin 4. Forced online to play game modes, stupid micro transactions, 2K community to create, share, and download players to maje up for low licensing, no venue creator, not next gen graphics... career mode being online only is absolutely retarded.
At least the gameplay is good, but atill not worth $50.
Roster is horrendous for a 2024 game. 7 male players and no Nadal 😂
Looks and plays the same as top spin 4
people have been asking for a proper TS4 remaster for ages now... hardly the worst thing to actually get it.
Better than match point and ao tennis. Both of those suck.
Players were not athletic 10 years ago? 😂
They think their game is worth £105 . Lol.
This game is just an update of an 13 year old game!
Embarrasing graphics.. all players with boring standard animations..
Congratulations to the creators for making money with no ambitions 👍🏼
No nadal and djoker in top spin game is a joke
More players are being announced soon 👀
@@Mirror.Gaming do any of them include Nadal or Djokovic?
@@MCMIXINGit must be otherwise why give this answer!
@@Mirror.Gamingsoon meaning today or the upcoming days?😉
Se dipendesse da me non inserirei nel gioco tennisti ultra trentenni. Nole ha 36 anni, considerando che la modalità carriera duri almeno 10 anni avremmo un giocatore di 46 anni ancora nel circuito che probabilmente lotterebbe per la prima posizione
Welp thanks for absolutely no information other than it’s another reskin
Graphics look like trash. Gameplay mechanics look pretty good, but the graphics are poo
This looks like a bag of shit honestly. surprising it looks so bad, hangar 13 being the devs showed some skill with player models in mafia 3, this is a colossal mess visually, i thought back to a game like rockstar's table tennis from 2006 and then ive just gone to watch a video on it as a refresher and i swear that games characters look better and the cloth physics are outrageously better looking.... 2006!!!!! the clothing in TS2k25 is spazzing all over the place. animations are wrong, the screaming and grunting is all wrong... a real mess, its going to get absolutely panned in reviews looking at this and they dont deserve the money and attention, they should do themselves a favor and delay this absolute joke.
If Nadal and djokovic aren't in the game, I ain't buying this
This
They ain't in it
@@sitelford8469 just saw the posts, sad
@@sitelford8469 well it's not going to sell then like how you not put two legendary players in the game and we don't know that yet since they still announcing other players.
I mean the whining and moaning are UNREAL. We've waited how many years...for an updated Top Spin? Updated rosters...courts...tournaments. We get it...crybaby bitching ensues. CRINGE
It's not realistic gameplay, stop talking nonsense, the ball never leaves the court, it's an arcade game.
Yes, thats also my concern, I dont see wide and long ball errors. If this is an arcade game, I will be very disappointed.
I've seen many! Just look at more gameplay
It looks awful and should never have been made
It's shitty. The whole game is shitty. For real.
He is talking about details and that the team spent alot of time to make it look good, the players, the crowd and so on. The interviewer should have told him that the game looks atleast 20 years old. The game are just slightly better looking than top spin 4, that should tell you how embarrassing it is. This suppose to be next gen game and they could have used the latest unreal engine but nah, they just wanna give us this crap. They failed. And before yall jump on me, It's not only gameplay that matters to me, I wanna feel a game by it's look at how authentic a game looks graphic wise.
Otherwise what the reason of buying an Xbox series x if this is the kind of crap graphics we are getting? Thanks but no thanks, not buying this when it comes out, I will wait for it to drop in price or buy it used.
AGAIN to repeat, as usual, as with TS4, straight line shots always unless its a serve. All the simpletons out there who aslo want Golf games where the ball always travels 100% straight witn no draw or fade, or football games where shots and crosses never bend in flight, will feel at home 2K's lazy ball physics yet again.. This smug tozzer in this interview knows its shit too. TS 2K25 from all the vids so far, has this exact same TS4 ball physics...........i.e. there are none.
Player movement,reactions more fluent on TP4 Than this ps3 graphics, should be up there with nba2k24 graphics way more realistic,looks like a rehash of TS4