Crazy how some people fail to see how bad Kelly’s writing is. The entire office is completely out of ideas They’re stuck rehashing the same tired concepts because they have no clue how to handle this character anymore. The gap between Kelly’s writing and Ireland’s is crazy at least Ireland puts in some effort to write him well. Meanwhile, Kelly keeps recycling the same nonsense marvel has been pushing since Brand New Day, turning Peter into this edgy, mean-spirited man-child who’s just insufferable overall. Not to mention how they just love to kill him over and over again for the fun of it.
@@SpidermanMascot this isn’t the worst story ever for spidey but some comments I’ve received are just saying I’m wrong for the sake of it without providing reasons unlike I do in the video so I thought I’d say this😅
@@SpidermanMascotpersonally, i like the clone saga....or at least NOW I do in hindsight. In the moment when they were trying to replace Peter, it wasn't fun, but now...I'll take the clone saga any day over this trash. At least MJ was written to be faithful and love Peter through his troubles even when they thought he was a clone.
Im glad you understand what makes this character great. I share your passion, sadly, I've come to the conclusion the only singular way we will get the change we want is if people stop paying for slop and let it fail. Once Spiderman fails, and I mean utterly tanks in sales, they will HAVE to change course. Spiderman is Marvel's flagship and unless they want to commit seppuku, they will have to give us what we want if we close our wallets. Till then it will continue to be slop.
...so you can handle the death of the person who you SOLD YOUR MARRIAGE TO SATAN to save...but you can't take the deaths of miles, gwen and spider boy?
@@Ash-Winchester if ur parents get shot you'd cry, if i get shot you'd laugh at me. It's understanding the person's relationships. And even then he could have cried for both
Have you seen Dylan Brock’s roasting of Paul? I love that the symbiotes just don’t like Paul regardless of the reasons. I get it was supposed to make Dylan look like a brat but it honestly had me cheering. And from what I hear even the artists of that comic don’t really like Paul as a character.
@@mnstash yeah I just watched it and I agree it would be interesting if Paul started becoming a lot more like MJs father and MJ started seeing herself in Dylan. Which I pray causes her to realize Paul isn’t the man she thought he was. And it finally gives Paul a reason to exist other than just keeping MJ and Peter apart. And I do hope this leads to us finally being rid of Paul and we go back to Peter and MJ.
You know what, I’m happy that Peter quits. Because Peter has enough of this, all these slanders against him by the bugle. Him having trouble with a relationship, superheroes looking down on him, being jobless and money problems. Sure he was willingly to let his aunt and friends die but when it comes to his friend’s with spider powers, he stepped in! Is it because they have spider powers and he doesn’t want to be the only one with them? If so then where is spider woman then?
Spider Woman and Peter dont have the same powers and rarely ever interact with each other. Hell she's rarely ever considered a member of the Spider Verse BECAUSE of hoe VASTLY DIFFERENT she is😭💀
Best part of this issue... watching Jackpot die. After suffering so much character assassination, at this point it's better to be killed off and forgotten, rather than remembered as a shell of what you once were. Depressing, I know, but given the state of Spider-Man these days... that's more or less all that I feel.
Or…. Just start writing her better again? There are literally dozens of ways they could fix this. If we killed off a character every time they were written badly for a while there wouldn’t be a cast left lol.
@jonathanl-j4i It's more than that she has been written badly, they have flat-out destroyed Mary Jane and the entire point of her character. Fans are never going to forgive her for what she did during Zeb Wells' run, hence why everyone is going with the idea that "Jackpot MJ is a clone".
@@BrandontheAwesome I wrote a longer reply to this but it glitched and I lost it, annoyingly. But the main thrust of it is that it is interesting to me that the main thing people focus on is that “MJ CHEATED! WHAT A B*TCH!” rather than: “OMG THAT POOR WOMAN TRAPPED IN A HELLISH VERSION OF EARTH FOR 4 YEARS WITH ONE MAN FOR COMPANY AND MONSTERS TRYING TO KILL HER EVERY DAY NOT KNOWING IF SHES EVER GOING TO GET HOME AND SEE HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS AGAIN AND THEN WHEN SHE DOES THE CHILDREN SHE BONDED WITH AND LOVED THAT CALLED HER MOM GOT ERASED FROM EXISTENCE WHILE A PSYCHO TRIED TO KILL HER”. You know, the far far worse thing that happened here… I just find it so interesting what people focus on and prioritise in their order of wrongs. I’ll say no more.
@jonathanl-j4i You mean the children that weren't even real to begin with? MJ and Peter are soulmates. After everything that went down in Nick Spencer's run (regardless of its quality), fans felt things were going back to how they should be. Zeb took all of that away, and in the worst way possible. I find it fascinating that you seem to not understand the mindset of a passionate fan.
I bet nick Lowe and co. had the biggest hard on when they wrote that, in one volume they've ruined mj's character, called her a scarlet woman repeatedly, make her completely unlikeable and now have shown her brutally dying. they can't f*cking stand Mary Jane for whatever reason
I'm aware with some of the storylines in Amazing Spider-Man. Revenge of the Sinister Six, Death of the Stacy's, Spider-Man No More, Great Power, Great Responsibility, the Goblin's Last Stand, the Clone Saga, Kraven's Last Hunt, and J. Michael Straczynski's run. Now I understand why this current run of Amazing Spider-Man is so badly written because it doesn't have the mood and feel of being burden with the power and responsibility. Coming Home by J. Michael Straczynski is a great example of how to truly write a Spider-Man story. Ultimate Spider-Man is another great example of how a story is written correctly without adding anything that takes away the element of writing a storyline.
So Peter "picked a fight with Thanos in order to convince lady death to save the souls of himself and a mother and daughter" Parker gave up cause he saw a possible future where the 2 spider boys died.... The same Peter Parker that used a machine to watch himself be killed 80 times trying to convince Dr Doom to not erase New York, just gave up cause of 2 teens..... "The 8 character assassinations of Spider-Man" more likely
Peter just faced a Scion with control of time and he used a Paradox to win. Man changed the future. At this stage in the game Peter is the representation of what the Scions refuse to see. The strength in humanity. They go on and on about Spidermans fight/human life/struggle amounting to nothing yet HERE THEY ARE trying so hard to please Daddy dearest Cytorak who cant even take one simple planet for lord knows how many times Strange beat his children in the contest. Cyra is easily my favorite of them but this is where i feel shouldve shone the strength of Peter the most. But i guess thats too much to wish for from Amazing Spiderman these days.
I think the biggest thing triggering me this issue was the feeling that…..we’ve done this before? Like isn’t the feeling of futility a sensation during the Spider-Man No More story line or just the constant idea that you can’t save everyone. Like it’s Peter’s whole schtick…knowing the fragility of life and just realizing it now feels weird. Also dangling MJ there again. In a double page spread. With her final thoughts dying in Peter’s arm feeling “dissatisfied”, like wtf are we doing here.
I swear when MJ told Mephisto, "To leave Peter alone." The devil did what the devil does. I think by "marriage," they meant "happiness". After One More Day, Spiderman can never be happy.
Like when he let Rhino and Screwball loose just so he could get back to a date with Shay. A girl he had literally known for no time, had two failed dates with already and somehow was now this awesome new love interest out of nowhere - so they needed him to do something as awesome as abandoning his duties as Spider-Man to show how important Shay is to him. A girl who had appeared in only a handful of issues. Sigh.
Just in the interest of conversation I wanted to put my points that I have a different opinion on: 1.) I don’t think the villain from last issue coming back harms the story in anyway. He’s a villain what’s wrong with him not honoring the rules 2. I personally looked at him losing it over Gwen, Miles, & Spider-Boys death due to him feeling a sense of responsibility since they’re following in his footsteps
@@Comics_Central I appreciate you actually having the conversation instead of the “I’m right you’re wrong” type of comments I’ve gotten😅 My issue isn’t that he reappeared it’s that Kelly ruined the win Ireland gave him by shoehorning another Spider-Man death scene, it felt pointless to me and creates a loophole within the entire covenant that anyone could abuse so the champion can never truely win And imo it still feels a little out of place for the breakdown to occur then but if you feel differently then that’s okay!
@Comics_Central Yes, this is how I felt too! Peter feels responsible for the 3 and thinks he failed them. Also, Peter losing hope at the end is huge, because he usually never loses hope. Actually looking forward to next issue to see how he comes back from it.
@@BobbyKyra Peter feels responsible... for three idiots that he barely knows or cares about. Over people that he has known and loved for a very long time. Now, what is wrong with this picture?
@@BrandontheAwesome I have to disagree ( sorry for the grammar in advance lol). Their deaths weren’t less important then the others. Like Bobby he feels responsible for them. He helped mentor Miles, someone who saw Petyr have a hero to look up to, and carry his mantle. Gwen’s not only a comrade and friend but a reflection of someone that he loved. As for the spider bot, I’ll admit I don’t know too much about them, but he is young kid who he mentors and watch out for. They all have impacted each others lives, but these kids, they reflect a brighter future to him, carrying such amazing potential. To see them robbed of that though on some cosmic whim was simply the tipping point for him.
I had a feeling Mr Kelly would f this up. He does not get Peter at all. He is just as bad as Wells, only with better artists. What a waste... I dread the reboot.
Nah, this issue should've ended like this: Cyra: Here's your ex-girlfriend die facing the Hobgob- Spidey: CLONE Cyra: What do you mean your ex is a clone? Spidey: I have known MJ for a long time, and I was married to her. Before A BUNCH OF HACKS stripped away my happiness, and besides, all of my superfriends theorized the MJ I rescued was a clone from a different dimension of some shit. Cyra: Alright, how about all of your Spider-Friends dying against a threat. Spidey(sarcastic): OH NO, NOT MILES AND GWEN; IT'S NOT LIKE THEIR RESURRECTION FOR SPIDER-PEOPLE THAT CAN COME BACK TO LIFE! Cyra: Yes, that's- Spidey: YOU DO REALIZE MY FRIEND MILES IS AN IMMORTAL AND GWEN CAN COME BACK WITH THE WEB OF LIFE AND DESTINY Cyra: HOW!?! Spidey: Well, you see, back in Miles's universe, the spider that bitten him basically made him immortal along with his Spidey and also I never give a shit about Bailey. I never want him to be my sidekick at all. If you put one of my Spider-kids or my clone brothers in this vision, I would be terrified. It was a nice try, but it didn't work for me at all. Cyra: YOU'RE A SMARTASS
In Ultimate Universe, Peter was brought back because the spider bite made him immortal. I don't know if the writers thought too much about the consequences of it or if Miles is also immortal.
I understand where you're coming from, but this is not the first time Peter has stopped being Spider-man for some reason and we also know that somehow Peter will wear the suit again, I just hope the the explanation to why he wears it again is good or else I will agree with you that this will feel like a horrible issue and I will have no idea what Marvel editorial is doing, that is just so much you can push until your fanbase gets pissed with you.
I know it’s not but the quitting aspect of this feels worse since he’s quitting being the champion which means the earth with fall, obviously he’ll come back but it’s just not like spidey to do that sorta thing in this sorta circumstance
I have realized that the late 2010s and the current 2020s has just been my straying away from Spider-Man more and more and having him replaced by Eddie Brock/Venom as my favorite comic book character.
Honestly with all the shit that happened it doesn't seem to me that shocking that he wants to quit like we have to keep in mind that during all of this arc and the prior one he's getting shit on shit so feeling down to the point to be almost nihilistic is quite normal he will obviously go up in the next two issues. And even for this death it doesn't seems to work as a loss for spidey because they're still alive at the end. It's not perfect like not at all but for all the slop we got it's alright there still more and i hope it will be alright
This honestly makes me so happy we have usm the only story currently in the Spider-Man archives that actually treats peter like Spider-Man just look at him in issue 11 issue 6 hell every issue in between and before there hes got the charisma the energy the quips seriously where are the god damn quips in asm theve been apart of spidey sinces the very beginning the responsibility the love the willto stand back up and keep standing because Spidey knows if he falls or throws in the towel for good new york the the whole marvel universe falls because Spider-Man is the one everyone looks to when they think they cant go on hes more than just a superhero hes the face of marvel hes the one everyone recognizes as that one hero who will fight with all hes got to save the day because of what uncle ben said that faithful day you cant make oeter quit being Spider-Man if you do your striping away a core aspect of his character and then if Peter doesn't even try to save the day its over just look at Spider-Man 2 when peter went through Spider-Man no more he gave up being Spider-Man and things started going wrong yes well he was able to live life as Peter parker there was no one there to stand up and save the day and all people are left with is a fear of not being able to stand up for themselves because their hero didn't show up to show them they can fight they can be the hero under the mask and when he goes to save that kid from the fire thats when he starts realizing that Spider-Man isnt a curse or a burden hes a icon that shows that anyone can stand up and fight anyone can wear the mask anyone can be a hero Spidey has always been my favorite hero since i was a kid hell even as a baby i loved him because hes an underdog a normal guy who even with all these amazing powers will still fight its why hes the hero because he is the only one with the powers to save the world thats why hes the amazing spectating sensational phenomenal ultimate Spider-Man my number 1 hero and becon of hope
3:02 In my eyes Norman is still stuck in prison after Siege when he was at the peak of his character, being the Iron Patriot, while he had his Dark Avengers and the various sub teams he had working for him. What we've been seeing after Dark Reign was just a botched Norman clone, at least in my head canon it is.
As long as JR JR isn't drawing, it is a relief. At least I can just look at the pictures and not read it. JR JR's art isn't designed to be looked at for more than 3 seconds.
This book is beyond salvageable and I hate to say it I think the best option now is to forget this book even exists and focus on ultimate Spider-Man because that series is really amazing and freaking fantastic and understands us Spider-Man fans, and plus ultimate Spider-Man actually respects it’s characters like Peter Parker Spider-Man and Mary Jane and has their kids mayday Parker the future spider-girl and Benji Parker while the main amazing Spider-Man book has not given us anything like but freaking garbage stories that make no sense whatsoever in my opinion.
@ indeed and frankly at this point I don’t understand why marvel even keeps Nick Lowe as a editor given the fact this man has done so much damage to Spider-Man there number one cash cow.
Heres my take him quitting isnt not spider man since he has quit for smaller reasons so it fits his character and in this he has died a lot and then seeing others die too but yeah this is a terrible comic
They actually managed to do something worse than One Last Day, at least in One Last Day it demonstartes how much Peter loves Aunt May, like he should be able to accept her mortality at this rate but still theres positives. This absolutely shits on the one good thing about One More Day by having Peter completely fine with the deaths of all his loved ones and the woman who raised him, that he sacrificed years of his marriage for, but Miles and alternate universe Gwen got him. Nice.
@@americantiger5041 thats a huge compliment thank you :) I aspire to somehow get to his channel's status someday, to even get somewhat close would be an honour
Kamala was a decent hero. She has just been ruined with MCU Brand Synergy. Spider-Boy is literally a carbon copy of Miles but more shit. Also, barely anyone is buying an issue of Spider-Boy, but no, we have to put in everything.
Peter already has several friends and loved ones who he saw die before his very eyes, and in his arms at times too. Wasn’t there also that time back in 2006 when he saw a recreation of Gwen’s death, and kept his cool since he’d already experienced these things and grown to accept what happened? Why is this book just allergic to consistency now?
Yo what if this is a lead up to Spider-Man battling Mephisto and Spider-Man winning and it causes his life to revert back to how it was supposed to be back in Civil War
Thank you. Now I know I'm not nuts, cause everything you said is what I felt about this issue but it didn't make sense to me that I'd like one issue and greatly dislike the mext
it feels like cyra(syra? idk how to spell) should have been the final scion, to peter to confront she is essentially the only one that has an actual character and if the scions just stop being in the book after their challenges it just feels like a waste
Oh 100% she would’ve been a perfect finale! Instead what we’re gonna get is the last few scions who will brutally and easily kill Peter and so in a last resort he teams up with juggernaut or some shit like that
I have lost hope in spider man comics now they just aren't the same character anymore spider man was the reason i got into superheros now the only reason i would dare look at one is if venom was in there but i know they would screw that up to
Honestly this issue made me rlso aparhetic to its story i didn't even care if peter gave up. The fact he cares more about some spider derogitories is hilarious.
Ive gotten into comics about 2 years ago and reading weekly in early October. I started with DC then when I saw a new Spiderman run I was like oh this would be a great jumping on point to read a marvel floppy. Read the first two issues of this run and I'm glad I dropped it. If anyone has any current marvel run recs please let me know.
0:41 - The everyman with a list of supermodel ex-lovers. 2:47 - Jackpot lets MJ fight side by side with Peter & Felicia. I hope the appearance of the X-men in the next issue doesn't involve George Kelly. I don't care if I got his name right. Please cover the new venom issues. It involves Paul bashing. 9:05 - False! She was born, kidnapped by Norman Osborn & never seen again. 9:30 - Hopefully sales will drop to the point that he's fired. I like my theory that all of Cyttorak's children are dead people he revived in exchange for them serving him & Cyra is Jean Dewolff, while Callix is Alistaire Smythe, Carl King or someone else who hates Peter with a passion. All of the remaining spawns are deceased villains, like Adriana Soria, Kraven the Hunter & Sin Eater.
The kidnapped thing is from the mc2 thing. In the 616 she had a miscarriage thanks to Norman. I just really want this to be over with, your theory is cool though, it would be an interesting way to bring back some familiar faces without undoing their deaths
@@insanemakaioshin I’m pretty sure that was clarified that the kidnapped package was actually Aunt May. Hence the one that died was an actress. Also the babies name was a list Norman had of people he’d offed in the Wells run if memory serves me. I’m pretty sure she’s dead.
Could you do a video listing potential marvel crossovers with Spiderman that you’d like to see? Bride of 9 spiders is one of mine, as she is the only character with a spider theme that he hasn’t interacted with yet.
Another great review and spot-on analysis. Again, I say, Marvel and DC should close their doors, or each company pick 10 to 15 comics to improve the quality of the story writing, come up with better creative ideas (these 1st two aspects both companies should consult MNstash :)), and in most cases get better artists. Per your previous comment MNstash, I'm glad you're enjoying some of the DC comics, but buyer beware, DC has rebooted their character so many times the issues you're enjoying may not be that good in six months. Hopefully not. Case in point, Jeremy Adams became the writer for the rebooted "Green Lantern" DC comic in May 2023. I'm a huge Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) fan It was good for the 1st 7 issues, then the storytelling went downhill from there IMO. I hope the "Nightwing" comic continues to be good. "ASM" is complete and utter trash, and one or two good issues from any of the Marvel writers doesn't make up for over 17 years of decline and mediocrity. Your channel gave a great review of "ASM # 31 - 33", the "If this be my destiny" A.K.A "The Master Planner Saga" story arc published from September 9, 1965, to November 11, 1965, with cover dates from December 1965 to February 1966. Just imagine if Peter Parker/Spider-Man would have quit in that arc, would his character have become iconic? Absolutely not. This Joe Kelly story arc would be interesting if in "ASM # 66", Felicia or MJ would talk to and convince Peter to resume the fight. That would be a good intervention, as long as it wasn't Shay. I can't see that because Peter would have to reveal his secret identity. I also agree it was terrible Spidey lost it in "ASM # 65" when he saw Spider-Gwen, Miles Morales, and Spider-Boy defeated. Another twist could be s Cyra falls in love with Spidey and convinces him its's wrong to quit and she helps him defeat the last 3 scions. Never happen, but we have to see what the direction Joe Kelly takes "ASM". I'm not optimistic. To illustrate how far Marvel has fallen, In "Venom # 2" a new villain is introduced. The villain's name is "Chuck Stuff". I grew up in South Philly near where the sports teams play. "Chuck Stuff" is based on (or seems to be based on), the Philadelphia Flyers, the National Hockey League (NHL) Team, mascot named "Gritty". "Chuck Stuff's" weapon is throwing cheesesteaks at his opponents, 'chucking stuff" at them. I think this is awful and hilarious at the same time. He also wears a Philly shirt. He's seen with a character who looks like the National Football League (NFL) Coach Andy Reid who used to coach the NFL team the Philadelphia Eagles from 1999 to 2012. He is the current coach of the two-time defending Super Bowl Champions, Kansas City Chiefs who most likely will win the Super Bowl for the third time this year. If you visit Philly, make sure you're drunk and hungry to go eat a cheesesteak at Pat's or Geno's in South Philly. For some reason in the comic Andy Reid is wearing a baseball cap with a "Union Jack" on it. This character showcases how pathetic Marvel has become. Keep up the great work. Cheers!
I managed to fully catchup on the current superman volume last night by Williamson and I gotta say, it surprised the hell out of me, almost every issue I enjoyed and the book consistently had good artwork save an issue or two, something thats only gonna continue with dan mora coming in for that series. I wanted to know the full context behind everything so I feel ready to write out the next review for issue 20! I think nightwing comics being so strong lately has got to be because of dan dido leaving. if I remember correctly when he was a more predominate figure in dc he couldn't stand dick Grayson, hence why he was dead in injustice and like batman v superman the movie. the only positive ive seen from venom issue 2 is Dylan just constantly roasting Paul at every chance he gets. at the very least its nice to know that the writer and the artist (who is a massive MJ fan, his mj art is great) hate Paul! if I was to help out with comics that would be a dream! ive been so tempted to find my old story for spider-man I was planning a couple years back!
I think there's only one Spider variant whose death would have made Peter break and throw the towel in an impactful and insightful way : Spider Girl aka Mayday Parker. This is the girl Spider-Man would have and should have had. The girl he never got to know, the girl he never got to see grow into being anyone or anything to him... The girl he sacrificed because he couldn't bare the weight of another death being from his own carelessness (Aunt May). If he was shown Aunt May's death right before Mayday, that would have been the deal breaker. That would have shattered him.
@@mnstash It requires the writer and editor to know basic Spider-Man lore and it's obvious neither of them does. I am not as big of a Spider-Man fan as you are and yet even I know this alternative would have worked better than what this event went for.
@@mnstash I didn't find the words for it earlier but this moment of hopeless coming from Peter would be more than valid and understandable with a May/Mayday death parallel since there's always a special feeling of regret and sadness someone has for each What-If tied to a life or death situation : Seeing May dead would have made Peter remember the very deal he made with Mephisto to keep her alive, his aunt's life for his daughter's. This deal wouldn't have saved her from a mortal death which was bond to happen. While he grew very VERY desensitized to May dying, the fight he had with her in an earlier issue might stirr the sadness and grief that always accompany the loss of the closest thing he has to a mother. This last part is important because... Seeing Mayday also dead *right after,* looking much younger than Peter *currently is* and *in a Spider-themed costume,* would have made him realize that, even if he didn't shake hands with Mephisto, someone would have still died long before their time *because of him,* his very own child. That would be too much to bear for the time being, thus justifying the need for a break, and make his return to the fight even more cathartic because this means Peter has definitely matured past the One More Day episode of his life. He has come to accept realities of life he has been running away from since OMD and perhaps move on to the next step which, again, will never bring back what he lost and choose to give up but will help him build something sturdy and long lasting since he now, more than ever, has GOALS to aim for and PROJECTS to focus on wisely.
Marvel have come up with a storyline where they get to have what they want, Peter Parker dead. They even get to kill him over and over, just so that anyone still reading who loves Peter will be hurt more and more. But, they can't let him STAY dead. That would eliminate a cash cow. They've got MOVIES to make about Peter Parker, Spider-Man! So he's got to be pushed through more and more creatively bankrupt stories when the guy just needs a break, and they can't REPLACE him, because even the CLONES of Peter Parker are either too busy being villains, or being anti-heroes, and the OTHER Spider-Man hasn't quite caught on like Peter has (and certainly doesn't have the number of MOVIES he's been in as proof of his sustainability), so replacing him with Miles in the main book would be RISKY, and they don't have the spine for anything RISKY, so they have to do things like give MJ superpowers, so that it's equivalent to Peter trying to rekindle a romance with Felicia, and besides MJ's with PAUL now, for no reason anyone can discern other than to take her off the board for Pete. They're just going to symbolically kill Peter Parker over and over again, because they've got no better ideas, and they can't TRULY kill him off FOR GOOD.
To be fair on the break down of seeing who dies, hes ran that pain with everyone else some hundred times at least and they were all full grown adults with a place in the world, however small or weird that place got. The next gen spiders are all very young, have live lives the almost get on par with the messes peter has been through, (spiderboy basically having his existence displaced and virtually nowhere in his homelife, Miles having his reality sketch and skewed knto 616 yet still comprehending he became a spider cause his og peter died, and gwen is almost a mirror along with being an alternate version of the first lover that died in peter's arms.) And while he sounds like he brushed off the rest, its probably more like he was copeing with jokes than letting them break him, so pile that with the weight that perspectivly a kid destinted to the mantle, a kid stuck in the chaos that the universe is saying doesnt belong, and a young gwen stacy who he once promised to watch out for in a spiderverse event, reasonably that could break the effect of coping like a tipping point. Its not isolated as just those 3 dying breaking him
This issue was classic spiderman!! A reused storyline. Adding in jarring plot elements. And a simple solution. You could blame this ENTIRE thing on Doom. One world under doom. Doom started this arc. Gave him the tasks. But it sounds irrelevant
Fool me once, shame, fool me twice, okay you got me, fool me 3 times. I'm out of here. The answer is simple. Vote with your wallets and stop supporting Amazing Spider-man comics.
why the fuck do people keep buying this book? any other series pulling this crap would be cancelled within the year but somehow amazing spider-man just keeps trucking on while bleeding all over the place
Oh fuck. At one point. I was like sure i can look up and see that i written a ultimate marcel level if AU and even with my weird spidy AU even i get spiderman more than joe
We didn’t even see Paul’s final destination moment😒. I’ll probably stick to videos like this than read the comic. I’ll take Ultimate Spider-Man over this.
That’s because Paul already faded out of existence already and was never alive to begin with is my hope. Plus seeing Paul die would probably just leave Peter feeling happier which kind of defeats the purpose lol.
I will admit certain spider-man fans have severely misunderstood the character in ways that can now negatively affect his stories but Its hard when the spidey office has no clue about Spider-Man and his comics which was made evident through Nick lowe’s letter page
whats up with werid hating miles when his doing is own in his comic ?? like the character have his own writers that care about him and the same writers that wrote miles wouldn't have chance of writing peter to being with. then ones who writing miles are underdogs writers, people who was not that big in the industry who just end up writing miles. really really odd and weird that some people blaming on miles on peter bad writers.
People think that they're making Miles' comics seem better than Peter's on purpose, but in actuality, it's actually showing that Marvel Editorial just doesn't know what to do with regular 616 Peter anymore. Miles comics: Good Ultimate Peter comics: Good Amazing Peter comics: awful Peter Parker is always going to stay, heck he's in more things now than Miles and the others, and he's being respected in almost everything else other than the main comic. People really don't have to treat Miles the way they do, it's just odd.
@@Wol1427 Miles comics: Still as boring and terrible as ever. People hate Miles because they know very well what he is: An attempt at a diverse replacement for Peter.
Meanwhile, Miles keeps gaining new powers every month, and now it seems like he's become some kind of chosen one of a god or demigod or something. Coincidence?
Because they want to replace Spidey with Miles. Spider Man comics always sell good while Miles sales always drop. They want to ruin Spidey comics so people don’t want to buy them, giving them the excuse to kill him off and replace him with Miles as the main and only spider hero.
@@theunknownartist521 You wanna know something funny? Even though Miles is constantly gaining new powers in this desperate attempt by Marvel to make him popular while they make Peter look pathetic, his comics aren't even in the top 50 best-selling comics.
@@latrellboddie8906Sorry. But I have no idea who that is or what you’re talking about. I’m guessing from the context someone else had the same theory as I did?
I also wanted to make a few recommendations. It's a shame "ASM" is so horrible. I hope "USM" continues to be good with its story arcs and art. It's great how your videos continue to be of excellent quality, and you continue to grow your channel. Only 90 more subscribers to 5.5k. Don't be discouraged if while you're trying to diversify and grow your channel if DC and Marvel continue to decline in quality and storytelling. There is so much material out there in Manga and indie comics, you could diversify to showcasing a character or two from these comics if it really got bad following DC and Marvel comics. One example is the "Titan Comics" "Conan the Barbarian" series released in August 2023. The series is currently on issue # 17. I think the stories are very good and the art is improving. I've read all the Conan books staring with the 1st author Robert E. Howard's 1st book "The Phoenix on the Sword" published in 1932. I started reading classic novels in the early 1980s as I reached my late teens. I moved away from comics as my primary reading material to novels about Sc-Fi, Muder Mystery, and Fantasy. The comic is violent and has nudity. Usually the female characters being topless (now that's my kind of comic, LOL!). These comic stories follow the novels and are different than the movies with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Conan is a man's man and there usually isn't any woke elements in these stories because the books are from a different era and weren't made for modern audiences. As you grow older and mature, another option as opposed to reviewing comics is reviewing novels from the genres I mentioned or whatever genre you prefer. You could review contemporary novels written by Lee Child regarding the "Jack Reacher" character. Lee Child has written 29 novels from "The Killing Floor" published March 19997 to the current book in the series "In Too Deep" published on October 21, 2024. There have been two movies starring Tom Cruise, and Amazon Prime is releasing the 3rd season on February 20, 2025. The 3rd season will be based on the 7th book in the series titled "Persuader" published April 2003. You could do retro reviews of Characters like "Tarzan" written by Edgar Rice-Burroughs whose 1st Tarzan book was "Tarzan of the Apes" 1st published in the pulp magazine "All-Story Weekly" and published back in June 1914. Yes, these characters and books are dated but give a great perspective of the times the books were written. Another character is "Zorro" (meaning "The Fox" in Espanol/Spanish) written by Johnston McCulley, published as a novel in 1919, and was made into a 1920 Silent Film starring Douglas Fairbanks, Sr. The more well-known film is with Antonio Banderas in 1998. My favorite version is "The Mask of Zorro" with Tyrone Power released in 1940. That film has the best sword fight in the History of cinema. I recommend checking it out if you don't mind a black and White film. Hopefully, DC and Marvel comics will turn around, change direction, and make good comics to review. If not, there's no worries. You'll come up with creative and innovative ideas to continue to grow your channel. There are so many options to include in further diversifying your channel. The great news is, not too many RUclips channels review novels, and that could be another segment for your channel to cover. There are Expanded Universe (EU) Star Wars novels, Star Trek, DC and Marvel graphic novels from yesteryear. I believe you'll be able to continue to be one of the best Spidey RUclips channels but also known for great reviews of other source material and a leader in the RUclips social media. All the best. Cheers!
thank you for the recommendations! ive honestly so much on my list as I slowly peck away at it that once ive caught up, I'd like to take a lot at some more classic stories or even maybe some old spawn issues. thats the best part about it all these so much for me to look at and get inspiration from. old marvel graphic novels too would be a good video to do, I feel like they'd have to be a special for my channel considering how big the stories are and how much time it would take, even the old marvel preview magazines would be fun! I own a few myself like the punisher one and I believe starlords 2nd appearance. ive so many scripts written out atm, ive been trying to get them all ready for recordings so in theory it would make it easier to smash through them all! for more classic spidey stories im tempted to look at one of my favourite stories the child within/death of harry we managed to hit 5.5k today!! my last four videos have done the channel well which im happy about, but thank you for the constant support mate :)
You're Welcome :). I look forward to more great videos. I'm glad you're enjoying the current DC comics. BTW, I forgot to mention that 1940 movie "The Mark of Zorro", in Batman canon, is the final movie Brice Wayne sees with his parents Thomas and Martha. When they leave the theatre together and go down the alleyway, his parents are murdered. That's when DC wrote good storytelling.
Don’t you just love when Pete dies to someone he literally called pathetic and a terrible fighter one issue ago just absolute trash writing I can’t believe I am saying this but let ilerand keep writing for the book
Hry man. Maybe its because im a slighty younger fan, but I honestly quite enjoyed the issue. For me things like Cyra not being a demon like her siblings and acting like a person, brother getting his ass kicked, cheating and still losing, seeing spidey beg and plead for the lives of his loved ones and having him not physically die but almost spiritually/mentally was interesting, cool and sad to me. I understand your issue, but honestly i dont see it in the same way.
As a one off comic in isolation it’s not so bad. However the idea of Peter just going screw the world let it burn because I’m feeling sad… kind of sucks. He’s given up being Spider-Man before when downcast, but the idea that he’d throw away everyone’s lives as well when he has always been about responsibility just does not feel like Spider-Man. The bigger problem is we have just been through a run that seemed to fundamentally misunderstand Peter and his wider cast, and lean into endless torture and suffering with little in the way of rising above to triumph. Setbacks and suffering need a purpose to build the character up to victory. Often he’s needed someone else to rescue him recently. During Wells it was Norman, and here it looks like it will be Coulson. This just feels like more of the same that we have endured, and setting up more of the same to come. That’s why for longer term readers it still feels difficult to enjoy, it’s the wider context, not just the issue here.
I definitely am not vibing with the ending of this issue but I've been enjoying this storyline for the most part and it's clear that he's not going to stay in this broken nihilistic state so I'm open to seeing where this is going. I still remember 12 years ago when the Peter Parker memory fragment in Superior Spider-Man was willing to put a little girl's life in danger in order to hide his presence from Doc Ock. That still ended up overall being one of my favorite Spidey stories in the post-OMD era that ended up reaffirming Peter's character so I'm keeping an open mind here
8:57 Okay, this part, I can kinda defend. HEAR ME OUT. If we're going by their logic, Peter managed to live with the pain of losing Aunt May in that hospital better because there, she wasn't injured. Nobody went out to get her. If it were her own illnesses and natural causes, I'm guessing he could accept that as a part of life and cope better. That's the only bit I can sorta justify. HOWEVER, the rest of it, I will fully agree with you. It's an absolute idiotic mess. Had they swapped the Spider-Family with MJ, then it KINDA would be more coherent. But hey, it's Nick Lowe pulling the strings on this absolute dumpster fire. As if him coining the term "True PAUL-IEVERS" wasn't enough. Ugh, the guy isn't even hiding it anymore. He really did just openly twist and desecrate one of Stan Lee's most iconic phrases. Oh, and in today's session of PKSD (Post-Kelly Stress Disorder), I wanted to let you all know that I submerged myself in the bath to scream for 10 whole minutes. My voice is shot. How are you doing, Stash?
My mind is broken! Nick Lowe has fully ruined my sanity and I might have to try your technique! We had two good issues by Ireland and so they give the run to the guy who was ruining this story??
@ I just want him to have a new direction . I personally believe horizon labs 🧪 should’ve have gone nowhere and keep that job ; I also want to have a love interest that further the storyline . The best to do is give jackpot 🎰 stronger direction and breakup with Paul , read a fan fiction with Medusa x Spider-Man and it was great .
Wait, Kelly is going to be writing the next volume?! We’re screwed. I’ve officially thrown away any hope I have for the new volume When I learned that Peter quit after this trial, all I could think about was how out of character it was for him. Spider-Man should be willing to carry on the fight, no matter how difficult and challenging it gets. But…no, all of this happens. I also find it a desperate move from Marvel to have Jed Mackay’s X-Men crossover into this story just because Juggernaut is part of that team. I genuinely love Jed Mackay’s current run on X-Men, but I’m not going to buy those issues of ASM just to see them in a Spider-Man story when the story isn’t good
Isn’t it cool how Ireland got rewarded with two great issues by not getting her own run! Some people also fail to understand (even tho I say it in the video) he quits being the champion of the earth, NOT being Spider-Man. Which makes the entire thing even worse!
Crazy how some people fail to see how bad Kelly’s writing is.
The entire office is completely out of ideas
They’re stuck rehashing the same tired concepts because they have no clue how to handle this character anymore.
The gap between Kelly’s writing and Ireland’s is crazy
at least Ireland puts in some effort to write him well. Meanwhile, Kelly keeps recycling the same nonsense marvel has been pushing since Brand New Day, turning Peter into this edgy, mean-spirited man-child who’s just insufferable overall.
Not to mention how they just love to kill him over and over again for the fun of it.
It's bad but honestly clone saga was worse 🤣 yes I'm to young but I has a hand me down comic of it
@@SpidermanMascot this isn’t the worst story ever for spidey but some comments I’ve received are just saying I’m wrong for the sake of it without providing reasons unlike I do in the video so I thought I’d say this😅
They feel they are being creative. They thought of 7 whole deaths!
@@SpidermanMascotpersonally, i like the clone saga....or at least NOW I do in hindsight. In the moment when they were trying to replace Peter, it wasn't fun, but now...I'll take the clone saga any day over this trash. At least MJ was written to be faithful and love Peter through his troubles even when they thought he was a clone.
Im glad you understand what makes this character great. I share your passion, sadly, I've come to the conclusion the only singular way we will get the change we want is if people stop paying for slop and let it fail. Once Spiderman fails, and I mean utterly tanks in sales, they will HAVE to change course. Spiderman is Marvel's flagship and unless they want to commit seppuku, they will have to give us what we want if we close our wallets. Till then it will continue to be slop.
...so you can handle the death of the person who you SOLD YOUR MARRIAGE TO SATAN to save...but you can't take the deaths of miles, gwen and spider boy?
@@mobgabriel1767 You know, three characters that you barely interact with and hardly have any connection to?
No one cares about spiderboy ngl
They have Peter flip out at Miles dying instead of Mary Jane because they think Miles is more important so therefore the character should think so to.
Because the life of a redhead is more important than the lives of thee children, I guess.
@@Ash-Winchester I am talking about personal connection.
@@Ash-Winchester if ur parents get shot you'd cry, if i get shot you'd laugh at me. It's understanding the person's relationships. And even then he could have cried for both
@@Ash-Winchesterbelow average IQ take.
Below average take cuz miles wasnt the only one he saw but go off.
Have you seen Dylan Brock’s roasting of Paul? I love that the symbiotes just don’t like Paul regardless of the reasons. I get it was supposed to make Dylan look like a brat but it honestly had me cheering.
And from what I hear even the artists of that comic don’t really like Paul as a character.
Yeah I made a community post about it😅
Carlos the artist is a legend! Those discord messages were so funny
@@mnstash yeah I just watched it and I agree it would be interesting if Paul started becoming a lot more like MJs father and MJ started seeing herself in Dylan. Which I pray causes her to realize Paul isn’t the man she thought he was. And it finally gives Paul a reason to exist other than just keeping MJ and Peter apart. And I do hope this leads to us finally being rid of Paul and we go back to Peter and MJ.
Eh, this arc hasn’t been the worse. You should cover Dylan’s roast of Paul however lol
All my homies hate Paul.
That scene put a massive smile on my face.
@@ToxicVex267it was great
Dylan Brock is a legend, man. I love that kid. Eddie and his kid are both awesome.
You know what, I’m happy that Peter quits. Because Peter has enough of this, all these slanders against him by the bugle. Him having trouble with a relationship, superheroes looking down on him, being jobless and money problems.
Sure he was willingly to let his aunt and friends die but when it comes to his friend’s with spider powers, he stepped in! Is it because they have spider powers and he doesn’t want to be the only one with them? If so then where is spider woman then?
You'd want him back.
@ Depends, if the writers would cut him some slack.
Spider Woman and Peter dont have the same powers and rarely ever interact with each other. Hell she's rarely ever considered a member of the Spider Verse BECAUSE of hoe VASTLY DIFFERENT she is😭💀
Best part of this issue... watching Jackpot die.
After suffering so much character assassination, at this point it's better to be killed off and forgotten, rather than remembered as a shell of what you once were.
Depressing, I know, but given the state of Spider-Man these days... that's more or less all that I feel.
Or…. Just start writing her better again? There are literally dozens of ways they could fix this. If we killed off a character every time they were written badly for a while there wouldn’t be a cast left lol.
@jonathanl-j4i It's more than that she has been written badly, they have flat-out destroyed Mary Jane and the entire point of her character. Fans are never going to forgive her for what she did during Zeb Wells' run, hence why everyone is going with the idea that "Jackpot MJ is a clone".
@@BrandontheAwesome I wrote a longer reply to this but it glitched and I lost it, annoyingly. But the main thrust of it is that it is interesting to me that the main thing people focus on is that “MJ CHEATED! WHAT A B*TCH!” rather than:
“OMG THAT POOR WOMAN TRAPPED IN A HELLISH VERSION OF EARTH FOR 4 YEARS WITH ONE MAN FOR COMPANY AND MONSTERS TRYING TO KILL HER EVERY DAY NOT KNOWING IF SHES EVER GOING TO GET HOME AND SEE HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS AGAIN AND THEN WHEN SHE DOES THE CHILDREN SHE BONDED WITH AND LOVED THAT CALLED HER MOM GOT ERASED FROM EXISTENCE WHILE A PSYCHO TRIED TO KILL HER”.
You know, the far far worse thing that happened here…
I just find it so interesting what people focus on and prioritise in their order of wrongs. I’ll say no more.
@jonathanl-j4i You mean the children that weren't even real to begin with?
MJ and Peter are soulmates. After everything that went down in Nick Spencer's run (regardless of its quality), fans felt things were going back to how they should be. Zeb took all of that away, and in the worst way possible.
I find it fascinating that you seem to not understand the mindset of a passionate fan.
I bet nick Lowe and co. had the biggest hard on when they wrote that,
in one volume they've ruined mj's character, called her a scarlet woman repeatedly, make her completely unlikeable and now have shown her brutally dying.
they can't f*cking stand Mary Jane for whatever reason
I'm aware with some of the storylines in Amazing Spider-Man. Revenge of the Sinister Six, Death of the Stacy's, Spider-Man No More, Great Power, Great Responsibility, the Goblin's Last Stand, the Clone Saga, Kraven's Last Hunt, and J. Michael Straczynski's run.
Now I understand why this current run of Amazing Spider-Man is so badly written because it doesn't have the mood and feel of being burden with the power and responsibility. Coming Home by J. Michael Straczynski is a great example of how to truly write a Spider-Man story. Ultimate Spider-Man is another great example of how a story is written correctly without adding anything that takes away the element of writing a storyline.
So Peter "picked a fight with Thanos in order to convince lady death to save the souls of himself and a mother and daughter" Parker gave up cause he saw a possible future where the 2 spider boys died....
The same Peter Parker that used a machine to watch himself be killed 80 times trying to convince Dr Doom to not erase New York, just gave up cause of 2 teens.....
"The 8 character assassinations of Spider-Man" more likely
Peter just faced a Scion with control of time and he used a Paradox to win. Man changed the future. At this stage in the game Peter is the representation of what the Scions refuse to see. The strength in humanity. They go on and on about Spidermans fight/human life/struggle amounting to nothing yet HERE THEY ARE trying so hard to please Daddy dearest Cytorak who cant even take one simple planet for lord knows how many times Strange beat his children in the contest. Cyra is easily my favorite of them but this is where i feel shouldve shone the strength of Peter the most. But i guess thats too much to wish for from Amazing Spiderman these days.
I think the biggest thing triggering me this issue was the feeling that…..we’ve done this before?
Like isn’t the feeling of futility a sensation during the Spider-Man No More story line or just the constant idea that you can’t save everyone. Like it’s Peter’s whole schtick…knowing the fragility of life and just realizing it now feels weird.
Also dangling MJ there again. In a double page spread. With her final thoughts dying in Peter’s arm feeling “dissatisfied”, like wtf are we doing here.
Nick Lowe fundamentally has zero clue about who spidey is and what his books are about and it shows in every single issue released
I swear when MJ told Mephisto, "To leave Peter alone." The devil did what the devil does. I think by "marriage," they meant "happiness". After One More Day, Spiderman can never be happy.
I personally like this story minus the whole part where he breaks down after seeing miles and spider-gwen die
Yeah , I am going to skip to the 2024 Ultimate Spider-Man run.
Nope ultimate spidy is plain booooring.
Yay .... Irresponsible Spider-man
Like when he let Rhino and Screwball loose just so he could get back to a date with Shay. A girl he had literally known for no time, had two failed dates with already and somehow was now this awesome new love interest out of nowhere - so they needed him to do something as awesome as abandoning his duties as Spider-Man to show how important Shay is to him. A girl who had appeared in only a handful of issues. Sigh.
Just in the interest of conversation I wanted to put my points that I have a different opinion on:
1.) I don’t think the villain from last issue coming back harms the story in anyway. He’s a villain what’s wrong with him not honoring the rules
2. I personally looked at him losing it over Gwen, Miles, & Spider-Boys death due to him feeling a sense of responsibility since they’re following in his footsteps
@@Comics_Central
I appreciate you actually having the conversation instead of the “I’m right you’re wrong” type of comments I’ve gotten😅
My issue isn’t that he reappeared it’s that Kelly ruined the win Ireland gave him by shoehorning another Spider-Man death scene, it felt pointless to me and creates a loophole within the entire covenant that anyone could abuse so the champion can never truely win
And imo it still feels a little out of place for the breakdown to occur then but if you feel differently then that’s okay!
@Comics_Central Yes, this is how I felt too! Peter feels responsible for the 3 and thinks he failed them. Also, Peter losing hope at the end is huge, because he usually never loses hope. Actually looking forward to next issue to see how he comes back from it.
@@BobbyKyra Peter feels responsible... for three idiots that he barely knows or cares about. Over people that he has known and loved for a very long time.
Now, what is wrong with this picture?
@@Comics_Central Then you are an idiot.
@@BrandontheAwesome I have to disagree ( sorry for the grammar in advance lol). Their deaths weren’t less important then the others. Like Bobby he feels responsible for them. He helped mentor Miles, someone who saw Petyr have a hero to look up to, and carry his mantle. Gwen’s not only a comrade and friend but a reflection of someone that he loved. As for the spider bot, I’ll admit I don’t know too much about them, but he is young kid who he mentors and watch out for.
They all have impacted each others lives, but these kids, they reflect a brighter future to him, carrying such amazing potential. To see them robbed of that though on some cosmic whim was simply the tipping point for him.
I had a feeling Mr Kelly would f this up.
He does not get Peter at all.
He is just as bad as Wells, only with better artists.
What a waste...
I dread the reboot.
now with the good comics dealt with back to our original programming
Spider-Man is in a fluctuating state.
We are well and truly cooked😭
Nah, this issue should've ended like this:
Cyra: Here's your ex-girlfriend die facing the Hobgob-
Spidey: CLONE
Cyra: What do you mean your ex is a clone?
Spidey: I have known MJ for a long time, and I was married to her. Before A BUNCH OF HACKS stripped away my happiness, and besides, all of my superfriends theorized the MJ I rescued was a clone from a different dimension of some shit.
Cyra: Alright, how about all of your Spider-Friends dying against a threat.
Spidey(sarcastic): OH NO, NOT MILES AND GWEN; IT'S NOT LIKE THEIR RESURRECTION FOR SPIDER-PEOPLE THAT CAN COME BACK TO LIFE!
Cyra: Yes, that's-
Spidey: YOU DO REALIZE MY FRIEND MILES IS AN IMMORTAL AND GWEN CAN COME BACK WITH THE WEB OF LIFE AND DESTINY
Cyra: HOW!?!
Spidey: Well, you see, back in Miles's universe, the spider that bitten him basically made him immortal along with his Spidey and also I never give a shit about Bailey. I never want him to be my sidekick at all. If you put one of my Spider-kids or my clone brothers in this vision, I would be terrified. It was a nice try, but it didn't work for me at all.
Cyra: YOU'RE A SMARTASS
Wait... Miles is immortal?
Dammit, we're never going to be free from that ripoff, will we?
In Ultimate Universe, Peter was brought back because the spider bite made him immortal. I don't know if the writers thought too much about the consequences of it or if Miles is also immortal.
I understand where you're coming from, but this is not the first time Peter has stopped being Spider-man for some reason and we also know that somehow Peter will wear the suit again, I just hope the the explanation to why he wears it again is good or else I will agree with you that this will feel like a horrible issue and I will have no idea what Marvel editorial is doing, that is just so much you can push until your fanbase gets pissed with you.
I know it’s not but the quitting aspect of this feels worse since he’s quitting being the champion which means the earth with fall, obviously he’ll come back but it’s just not like spidey to do that sorta thing in this sorta circumstance
I have realized that the late 2010s and the current 2020s has just been my straying away from Spider-Man more and more and having him replaced by Eddie Brock/Venom as my favorite comic book character.
I swear to god the spider man disrespect needs to stop
It's Whiplash, where most SM books have Peter as OOC, and then you see him in anything else; he's acting like his pre-OMD self.
We NEED Nick Lowe out of this book
This run made TASM 2 look like a masterpiece
Hot take: Andrew Garfield was best spiderman.
I agree, he’s underrated.
Still angy they had Rhino in the trailer only to appear at the end
Honestly with all the shit that happened it doesn't seem to me that shocking that he wants to quit like we have to keep in mind that during all of this arc and the prior one he's getting shit on shit so feeling down to the point to be almost nihilistic is quite normal he will obviously go up in the next two issues. And even for this death it doesn't seems to work as a loss for spidey because they're still alive at the end. It's not perfect like not at all but for all the slop we got it's alright there still more and i hope it will be alright
This honestly makes me so happy we have usm the only story currently in the Spider-Man archives that actually treats peter like Spider-Man just look at him in issue 11 issue 6 hell every issue in between and before there hes got the charisma the energy the quips seriously where are the god damn quips in asm theve been apart of spidey sinces the very beginning the responsibility the love the willto stand back up and keep standing because Spidey knows if he falls or throws in the towel for good new york the the whole marvel universe falls because Spider-Man is the one everyone looks to when they think they cant go on hes more than just a superhero hes the face of marvel hes the one everyone recognizes as that one hero who will fight with all hes got to save the day because of what uncle ben said that faithful day you cant make oeter quit being Spider-Man if you do your striping away a core aspect of his character and then if Peter doesn't even try to save the day its over just look at Spider-Man 2 when peter went through Spider-Man no more he gave up being Spider-Man and things started going wrong yes well he was able to live life as Peter parker there was no one there to stand up and save the day and all people are left with is a fear of not being able to stand up for themselves because their hero didn't show up to show them they can fight they can be the hero under the mask and when he goes to save that kid from the fire thats when he starts realizing that Spider-Man isnt a curse or a burden hes a icon that shows that anyone can stand up and fight anyone can wear the mask anyone can be a hero Spidey has always been my favorite hero since i was a kid hell even as a baby i loved him because hes an underdog a normal guy who even with all these amazing powers will still fight its why hes the hero because he is the only one with the powers to save the world thats why hes the amazing spectating sensational phenomenal ultimate Spider-Man my number 1 hero and becon of hope
3:02 In my eyes Norman is still stuck in prison after Siege when he was at the peak of his character, being the Iron Patriot, while he had his Dark Avengers and the various sub teams he had working for him.
What we've been seeing after Dark Reign was just a botched Norman clone, at least in my head canon it is.
As long as JR JR isn't drawing, it is a relief. At least I can just look at the pictures and not read it. JR JR's art isn't designed to be looked at for more than 3 seconds.
This book is beyond salvageable and I hate to say it I think the best option now is to forget this book even exists and focus on ultimate Spider-Man because that series is really amazing and freaking fantastic and understands us Spider-Man fans, and plus ultimate Spider-Man actually respects it’s characters like Peter Parker Spider-Man and Mary Jane and has their kids mayday Parker the future spider-girl and Benji Parker while the main amazing Spider-Man book has not given us anything like but freaking garbage stories that make no sense whatsoever in my opinion.
the book is a complete dumpster fire, and nick Lowe is a major reason as to why!
@ indeed and frankly at this point I don’t understand why marvel even keeps Nick Lowe as a editor given the fact this man has done so much damage to Spider-Man there number one cash cow.
Ultimate Spider-man is a boring soap opera book. Hickman is completely overrated writer.
@@gabrielalarcon5462 then I doubt you enjoyed any great spidey story pre omd lmao
@@gabrielalarcon5462 Okay Nick Lowe's alt
Yeah I knew all that good storytelling from the previous two issues wouldn't last long.
I'm surprised we got any good storytelling at all, given Justina's reputation.
Nick Lowe mustve been too busy j*rking himself off that month for having a successful year of ruining spider-man
Heres my take him quitting isnt not spider man since he has quit for smaller reasons so it fits his character and in this he has died a lot and then seeing others die too but yeah this is a terrible comic
But he’s not quitting being Spider-Man he’s quitting being the champion which means he’s at this point in the story okay with the earth falling
They actually managed to do something worse than One Last Day, at least in One Last Day it demonstartes how much Peter loves Aunt May, like he should be able to accept her mortality at this rate but still theres positives. This absolutely shits on the one good thing about One More Day by having Peter completely fine with the deaths of all his loved ones and the woman who raised him, that he sacrificed years of his marriage for, but Miles and alternate universe Gwen got him. Nice.
Great video! You should cover some classic Spider-Man to make you feel better
I’ll defo be looking at some more classic comics once I catch up on all my reviews :)
@ please do man your videos are awesome
Honestly comic storian couldn’t even make the comic good
@@americantiger5041 thats a huge compliment thank you :) I aspire to somehow get to his channel's status someday, to even get somewhat close would be an honour
Also I simply do not give a SHIT about that Spiderboy. This is like Ms.Marvel all over again. STOP IT.
Kamala was a decent hero. She has just been ruined with MCU Brand Synergy. Spider-Boy is literally a carbon copy of Miles but more shit. Also, barely anyone is buying an issue of Spider-Boy, but no, we have to put in everything.
@@jakew6162 totally. Kamala was a great concept and I really enjoyed her early runs.
@@jonathanl-j4i Kamala was terrible, but thanks for outing yourself, fake Marvel fan.
@@jakew6162 Ha! Comic sales say otherwise. No one except fake fans even remotely like Kamala.
@@jakew6162 That is objectively false.
Peter already has several friends and loved ones who he saw die before his very eyes, and in his arms at times too.
Wasn’t there also that time back in 2006 when he saw a recreation of Gwen’s death, and kept his cool since he’d already experienced these things and grown to accept what happened? Why is this book just allergic to consistency now?
Yo what if this is a lead up to Spider-Man battling Mephisto and Spider-Man winning and it causes his life to revert back to how it was supposed to be back in Civil War
not with nick Lowe in charge🥲
Thank you. Now I know I'm not nuts, cause everything you said is what I felt about this issue but it didn't make sense to me that I'd like one issue and greatly dislike the mext
Soon as I soon the switch back to Kelly I had a bad feeling about it all😭
it feels like cyra(syra? idk how to spell) should have been the final scion, to peter to confront she is essentially the only one that has an actual character and if the scions just stop being in the book after their challenges it just feels like a waste
Oh 100% she would’ve been a perfect finale!
Instead what we’re gonna get is the last few scions who will brutally and easily kill Peter and so in a last resort he teams up with juggernaut or some shit like that
I have lost hope in spider man comics now they just aren't the same character anymore spider man was the reason i got into superheros now the only reason i would dare look at one is if venom was in there but i know they would screw that up to
MAN THE LAST TIME I SAW YOUR CHANNEL WE WERE GOOD 😭
I knew it wasn’t gonna last but goddamn it
Ireland only did two issues🥲
Love your input my man.
Thanks for watching! glad you enjoyed it:)
Modern Marvel is a complete joke.
Honestly this issue made me rlso aparhetic to its story i didn't even care if peter gave up. The fact he cares more about some spider derogitories is hilarious.
Nick Lowe has zero clue on wtf he’s even doing, can’t stand the guy
Ive gotten into comics about 2 years ago and reading weekly in early October. I started with DC then when I saw a new Spiderman run I was like oh this would be a great jumping on point to read a marvel floppy. Read the first two issues of this run and I'm glad I dropped it. If anyone has any current marvel run recs please let me know.
for spidey honestly stick to ultimate spider-man. its the best book marvel has to offer rn imo.
dc has been far more enjoyable lately
@ Thanks for the advice, im trade waiting for Vol-2 to drop i cant wait
0:41 - The everyman with a list of supermodel ex-lovers.
2:47 - Jackpot lets MJ fight side by side with Peter & Felicia.
I hope the appearance of the X-men in the next issue doesn't involve George Kelly. I don't care if I got his name right.
Please cover the new venom issues. It involves Paul bashing.
9:05 - False! She was born, kidnapped by Norman Osborn & never seen again.
9:30 - Hopefully sales will drop to the point that he's fired.
I like my theory that all of Cyttorak's children are dead people he revived in exchange for them serving him & Cyra is Jean Dewolff, while Callix is Alistaire Smythe, Carl King or someone else who hates Peter with a passion. All of the remaining spawns are deceased villains, like Adriana Soria, Kraven the Hunter & Sin Eater.
The kidnapped thing is from the mc2 thing. In the 616 she had a miscarriage thanks to Norman.
I just really want this to be over with, your theory is cool though, it would be an interesting way to bring back some familiar faces without undoing their deaths
@@mnstash Norman stole the baby & gave it to Alison Mongrain. This was in Revelations 1996.
@@insanemakaioshin I’m pretty sure that was clarified that the kidnapped package was actually Aunt May. Hence the one that died was an actress. Also the babies name was a list Norman had of people he’d offed in the Wells run if memory serves me. I’m pretty sure she’s dead.
@ Why would you quote anything to do with Zebb Wells?
@@insanemakaioshin er… because it was relevant to the point?
Even BASED Hobgoblin knows Jackpot is a bad idea
He’s secretly one of us!
Spider-Man no more...
Could you do a video listing potential marvel crossovers with Spiderman that you’d like to see? Bride of 9 spiders is one of mine, as she is the only character with a spider theme that he hasn’t interacted with yet.
It’s an interesting topic, a lot of the characters I would say have probably had an issue with him in marvel team-up!
@@mnstash but not all. Bride of 9 spiders is an example.
once I get through my list of catchup videos I can take a better look at these sorta ideas :)
I have to admit. It's amazing how real Spiderman stories use to be. Infininatly relatable until 1 more day of course. Which was the last real story.
Nick Lowe and Joe quasada have blood on their hands for the death of spidey
@@mnstash I guess you Qua-Sada that Joe and Nick hit a new Lowe
Another great review and spot-on analysis. Again, I say, Marvel and DC should close their doors, or each company pick 10 to 15 comics to improve the quality of the story writing, come up with better creative ideas (these 1st two aspects both companies should consult MNstash :)), and in most cases get better artists. Per your previous comment MNstash, I'm glad you're enjoying some of the DC comics, but buyer beware, DC has rebooted their character so many times the issues you're enjoying may not be that good in six months. Hopefully not. Case in point, Jeremy Adams became the writer for the rebooted "Green Lantern" DC comic in May 2023. I'm a huge Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) fan It was good for the 1st 7 issues, then the storytelling went downhill from there IMO. I hope the "Nightwing" comic continues to be good.
"ASM" is complete and utter trash, and one or two good issues from any of the Marvel writers doesn't make up for over 17 years of decline and mediocrity. Your channel gave a great review of "ASM # 31 - 33", the "If this be my destiny" A.K.A "The Master Planner Saga" story arc published from September 9, 1965, to November 11, 1965, with cover dates from December 1965 to February 1966. Just imagine if Peter Parker/Spider-Man would have quit in that arc, would his character have become iconic? Absolutely not. This Joe Kelly story arc would be interesting if in "ASM # 66", Felicia or MJ would talk to and convince Peter to resume the fight. That would be a good intervention, as long as it wasn't Shay. I can't see that because Peter would have to reveal his secret identity. I also agree it was terrible Spidey lost it in "ASM # 65" when he saw Spider-Gwen, Miles Morales, and Spider-Boy defeated. Another twist could be s Cyra falls in love with Spidey and convinces him its's wrong to quit and she helps him defeat the last 3 scions. Never happen, but we have to see what the direction Joe Kelly takes "ASM". I'm not optimistic.
To illustrate how far Marvel has fallen, In "Venom # 2" a new villain is introduced. The villain's name is "Chuck Stuff". I grew up in South Philly near where the sports teams play. "Chuck Stuff" is based on (or seems to be based on), the Philadelphia Flyers, the National Hockey League (NHL) Team, mascot named "Gritty". "Chuck Stuff's" weapon is throwing cheesesteaks at his opponents, 'chucking stuff" at them. I think this is awful and hilarious at the same time. He also wears a Philly shirt. He's seen with a character who looks like the National Football League (NFL) Coach Andy Reid who used to coach the NFL team the Philadelphia Eagles from 1999 to 2012. He is the current coach of the two-time defending Super Bowl Champions, Kansas City Chiefs who most likely will win the Super Bowl for the third time this year. If you visit Philly, make sure you're drunk and hungry to go eat a cheesesteak at Pat's or Geno's in South Philly. For some reason in the comic Andy Reid is wearing a baseball cap with a "Union Jack" on it. This character showcases how pathetic Marvel has become. Keep up the great work. Cheers!
I managed to fully catchup on the current superman volume last night by Williamson and I gotta say, it surprised the hell out of me, almost every issue I enjoyed and the book consistently had good artwork save an issue or two, something thats only gonna continue with dan mora coming in for that series.
I wanted to know the full context behind everything so I feel ready to write out the next review for issue 20!
I think nightwing comics being so strong lately has got to be because of dan dido leaving. if I remember correctly when he was a more predominate figure in dc he couldn't stand dick Grayson, hence why he was dead in injustice and like batman v superman the movie.
the only positive ive seen from venom issue 2 is Dylan just constantly roasting Paul at every chance he gets. at the very least its nice to know that the writer and the artist (who is a massive MJ fan, his mj art is great) hate Paul!
if I was to help out with comics that would be a dream! ive been so tempted to find my old story for spider-man I was planning a couple years back!
I think there's only one Spider variant whose death would have made Peter break and throw the towel in an impactful and insightful way : Spider Girl aka Mayday Parker.
This is the girl Spider-Man would have and should have had. The girl he never got to know, the girl he never got to see grow into being anyone or anything to him... The girl he sacrificed because he couldn't bare the weight of another death being from his own carelessness (Aunt May).
If he was shown Aunt May's death right before Mayday, that would have been the deal breaker.
That would have shattered him.
Oh that would’ve been way more impactful! I wish we had gotten that instead :(
@@mnstash It requires the writer and editor to know basic Spider-Man lore and it's obvious neither of them does.
I am not as big of a Spider-Man fan as you are and yet even I know this alternative would have worked better than what this event went for.
@@mnstash I didn't find the words for it earlier but this moment of hopeless coming from Peter would be more than valid and understandable with a May/Mayday death parallel since there's always a special feeling of regret and sadness someone has for each What-If tied to a life or death situation :
Seeing May dead would have made Peter remember the very deal he made with Mephisto to keep her alive, his aunt's life for his daughter's. This deal wouldn't have saved her from a mortal death which was bond to happen. While he grew very VERY desensitized to May dying, the fight he had with her in an earlier issue might stirr the sadness and grief that always accompany the loss of the closest thing he has to a mother. This last part is important because...
Seeing Mayday also dead *right after,* looking much younger than Peter *currently is* and *in a Spider-themed costume,* would have made him realize that, even if he didn't shake hands with Mephisto, someone would have still died long before their time *because of him,* his very own child.
That would be too much to bear for the time being, thus justifying the need for a break, and make his return to the fight even more cathartic because this means Peter has definitely matured past the One More Day episode of his life.
He has come to accept realities of life he has been running away from since OMD and perhaps move on to the next step which, again, will never bring back what he lost and choose to give up but will help him build something sturdy and long lasting since he now, more than ever, has GOALS to aim for and PROJECTS to focus on wisely.
Marvel have come up with a storyline where they get to have what they want, Peter Parker dead.
They even get to kill him over and over, just so that anyone still reading who loves Peter will be hurt more and more.
But, they can't let him STAY dead. That would eliminate a cash cow. They've got MOVIES to make about Peter Parker, Spider-Man! So he's got to be pushed through more and more creatively bankrupt stories when the guy just needs a break, and they can't REPLACE him, because even the CLONES of Peter Parker are either too busy being villains, or being anti-heroes, and the OTHER Spider-Man hasn't quite caught on like Peter has (and certainly doesn't have the number of MOVIES he's been in as proof of his sustainability), so replacing him with Miles in the main book would be RISKY, and they don't have the spine for anything RISKY, so they have to do things like give MJ superpowers, so that it's equivalent to Peter trying to rekindle a romance with Felicia, and besides MJ's with PAUL now, for no reason anyone can discern other than to take her off the board for Pete.
They're just going to symbolically kill Peter Parker over and over again, because they've got no better ideas, and they can't TRULY kill him off FOR GOOD.
So he just quit? wow. uncle ben would be so proud..
To be fair on the break down of seeing who dies, hes ran that pain with everyone else some hundred times at least and they were all full grown adults with a place in the world, however small or weird that place got. The next gen spiders are all very young, have live lives the almost get on par with the messes peter has been through, (spiderboy basically having his existence displaced and virtually nowhere in his homelife, Miles having his reality sketch and skewed knto 616 yet still comprehending he became a spider cause his og peter died, and gwen is almost a mirror along with being an alternate version of the first lover that died in peter's arms.) And while he sounds like he brushed off the rest, its probably more like he was copeing with jokes than letting them break him, so pile that with the weight that perspectivly a kid destinted to the mantle, a kid stuck in the chaos that the universe is saying doesnt belong, and a young gwen stacy who he once promised to watch out for in a spiderverse event, reasonably that could break the effect of coping like a tipping point. Its not isolated as just those 3 dying breaking him
That’s a good way of looking at it, I would’ve thought there to be more impact if we swapped the order of deaths around but that’s just me
This issue was classic spiderman!! A reused storyline. Adding in jarring plot elements. And a simple solution. You could blame this ENTIRE thing on Doom. One world under doom. Doom started this arc. Gave him the tasks. But it sounds irrelevant
Doom picking Spider-Man for his ‘heart’ or whatever was so random too
Knowing doom he would’ve just said screw you Richard’s fight these demons!
I'm a way, him quitting is a death on it’s own.
Fool me once, shame, fool me twice, okay you got me, fool me 3 times. I'm out of here. The answer is simple. Vote with your wallets and stop supporting Amazing Spider-man comics.
why the fuck do people keep buying this book? any other series pulling this crap would be cancelled within the year but somehow amazing spider-man just keeps trucking on while bleeding all over the place
There’s a lot of kids who have grown up with BND spidey, hell one commented that Dan slott is a great writer the other day
Sucks the Ben Reilly doesn't show up in the visions
Omg why wasnt he?? we saw miles spidergwen and spider-boy but not his own f*cking clone?!
I would just focus on USM right now..........
Oh fuck.
At one point. I was like sure i can look up and see that i written a ultimate marcel level if AU and even with my weird spidy AU even i get spiderman more than joe
No just no .
We didn’t even see Paul’s final destination moment😒. I’ll probably stick to videos like this than read the comic. I’ll take Ultimate Spider-Man over this.
That’s because Paul already faded out of existence already and was never alive to begin with is my hope. Plus seeing Paul die would probably just leave Peter feeling happier which kind of defeats the purpose lol.
Maybe him and Dylan brock fought to the death
Actually boycott everything amazing spider-man. I’m on close to a couples years boycotting 616 spidey
Are you going to get into Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man on the 29th and talk about???
To see if it's good?
The show already lost me at him being in high school again, not sure if I’ll even watch it tbh
I might for a video
@mnstash *sigh*... yeah, that's true. Though the trailer didn't do it any service. I do still have hope in it to be good.
Hopefully.
Honestly yes they are screwing over peter but fans have a hand in this as well for always saying he needs to go through tragedy.
I will admit certain spider-man fans have severely misunderstood the character in ways that can now negatively affect his stories but
Its hard when the spidey office has no clue about Spider-Man and his comics which was made evident through Nick lowe’s letter page
Dude, just stop! Please, don’t subject yourself to this madness anymore.
Unfortunately I have to😭I would’ve stopped reading this series as soon as I finished issue one of zebs run
whats up with werid hating miles when his doing is own in his comic ?? like the character have his own writers that care about him and the same writers that wrote miles wouldn't have chance of writing peter to being with. then ones who writing miles are underdogs writers, people who was not that big in the industry who just end up writing miles.
really really odd and weird that some people blaming on miles on peter bad writers.
People think that they're making Miles' comics seem better than Peter's on purpose, but in actuality, it's actually showing that Marvel Editorial just doesn't know what to do with regular 616 Peter anymore.
Miles comics: Good
Ultimate Peter comics: Good
Amazing Peter comics: awful
Peter Parker is always going to stay, heck he's in more things now than Miles and the others, and he's being respected in almost everything else other than the main comic.
People really don't have to treat Miles the way they do, it's just odd.
@@Wol1427 Miles comics: Still as boring and terrible as ever.
People hate Miles because they know very well what he is: An attempt at a diverse replacement for Peter.
@@BrandontheAwesome whats your evidence what your saying? also who are the people who saying that and where they getting information from?
They are slowly or not so slowly making Peter lamer and lamer in an attempt to make other Spider-Men better by comparison.
whats your fact evidence of what you saying ?
Me too
Meanwhile, Miles keeps gaining new powers every month, and now it seems like he's become some kind of chosen one of a god or demigod or something. Coincidence?
Yep...DEI, as usual. Make OG Peter Parker suffer with no real story. Miles gaining MORE powers in some trash-ass stories with no meaning? Good move.
Because they want to replace Spidey with Miles.
Spider Man comics always sell good while Miles sales always drop. They want to ruin Spidey comics so people don’t want to buy them, giving them the excuse to kill him off and replace him with Miles as the main and only spider hero.
@@MsClonetrooper Way to be the embodiment of the person in Solid JJ's replacement theory video. Really, great job.
@@theunknownartist521 You wanna know something funny? Even though Miles is constantly gaining new powers in this desperate attempt by Marvel to make him popular while they make Peter look pathetic, his comics aren't even in the top 50 best-selling comics.
@@latrellboddie8906Sorry. But I have no idea who that is or what you’re talking about.
I’m guessing from the context someone else had the same theory as I did?
I also wanted to make a few recommendations. It's a shame "ASM" is so horrible. I hope "USM" continues to be good with its story arcs and art. It's great how your videos continue to be of excellent quality, and you continue to grow your channel. Only 90 more subscribers to 5.5k. Don't be discouraged if while you're trying to diversify and grow your channel if DC and Marvel continue to decline in quality and storytelling. There is so much material out there in Manga and indie comics, you could diversify to showcasing a character or two from these comics if it really got bad following DC and Marvel comics.
One example is the "Titan Comics" "Conan the Barbarian" series released in August 2023. The series is currently on issue # 17. I think the stories are very good and the art is improving. I've read all the Conan books staring with the 1st author Robert E. Howard's 1st book "The Phoenix on the Sword" published in 1932. I started reading classic novels in the early 1980s as I reached my late teens. I moved away from comics as my primary reading material to novels about Sc-Fi, Muder Mystery, and Fantasy. The comic is violent and has nudity. Usually the female characters being topless (now that's my kind of comic, LOL!). These comic stories follow the novels and are different than the movies with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Conan is a man's man and there usually isn't any woke elements in these stories because the books are from a different era and weren't made for modern audiences.
As you grow older and mature, another option as opposed to reviewing comics is reviewing novels from the genres I mentioned or whatever genre you prefer. You could review contemporary novels written by Lee Child regarding the "Jack Reacher" character. Lee Child has written 29 novels from "The Killing Floor" published March 19997 to the current book in the series "In Too Deep" published on October 21, 2024. There have been two movies starring Tom Cruise, and Amazon Prime is releasing the 3rd season on February 20, 2025. The 3rd season will be based on the 7th book in the series titled "Persuader" published April 2003.
You could do retro reviews of Characters like "Tarzan" written by Edgar Rice-Burroughs whose 1st Tarzan book was "Tarzan of the Apes" 1st published in the pulp magazine "All-Story Weekly" and published back in June 1914. Yes, these characters and books are dated but give a great perspective of the times the books were written. Another character is "Zorro" (meaning "The Fox" in Espanol/Spanish) written by Johnston McCulley, published as a novel in 1919, and was made into a 1920 Silent Film starring Douglas Fairbanks, Sr. The more well-known film is with Antonio Banderas in 1998. My favorite version is "The Mask of Zorro" with Tyrone Power released in 1940. That film has the best sword fight in the History of cinema. I recommend checking it out if you don't mind a black and White film.
Hopefully, DC and Marvel comics will turn around, change direction, and make good comics to review. If not, there's no worries. You'll come up with creative and innovative ideas to continue to grow your channel. There are so many options to include in further diversifying your channel. The great news is, not too many RUclips channels review novels, and that could be another segment for your channel to cover. There are Expanded Universe (EU) Star Wars novels, Star Trek, DC and Marvel graphic novels from yesteryear. I believe you'll be able to continue to be one of the best Spidey RUclips channels but also known for great reviews of other source material and a leader in the RUclips social media. All the best. Cheers!
thank you for the recommendations! ive honestly so much on my list as I slowly peck away at it that once ive caught up, I'd like to take a lot at some more classic stories or even maybe some old spawn issues.
thats the best part about it all these so much for me to look at and get inspiration from.
old marvel graphic novels too would be a good video to do, I feel like they'd have to be a special for my channel considering how big the stories are and how much time it would take, even the old marvel preview magazines would be fun! I own a few myself like the punisher one and I believe starlords 2nd appearance.
ive so many scripts written out atm, ive been trying to get them all ready for recordings so in theory it would make it easier to smash through them all!
for more classic spidey stories im tempted to look at one of my favourite stories the child within/death of harry
we managed to hit 5.5k today!! my last four videos have done the channel well which im happy about, but thank you for the constant support mate :)
You're Welcome :). I look forward to more great videos. I'm glad you're enjoying the current DC comics. BTW, I forgot to mention that 1940 movie "The Mark of Zorro", in Batman canon, is the final movie Brice Wayne sees with his parents Thomas and Martha. When they leave the theatre together and go down the alleyway, his parents are murdered. That's when DC wrote good storytelling.
Don’t you just love when Pete dies to someone he literally called pathetic and a terrible fighter one issue ago just absolute trash writing I can’t believe I am saying this but let ilerand keep writing for the book
That death was really brutal too, wtf was Kelly thinking 🥲
Hry man. Maybe its because im a slighty younger fan, but I honestly quite enjoyed the issue. For me things like Cyra not being a demon like her siblings and acting like a person, brother getting his ass kicked, cheating and still losing, seeing spidey beg and plead for the lives of his loved ones and having him not physically die but almost spiritually/mentally was interesting, cool and sad to me. I understand your issue, but honestly i dont see it in the same way.
As a one off comic in isolation it’s not so bad. However the idea of Peter just going screw the world let it burn because I’m feeling sad… kind of sucks. He’s given up being Spider-Man before when downcast, but the idea that he’d throw away everyone’s lives as well when he has always been about responsibility just does not feel like Spider-Man.
The bigger problem is we have just been through a run that seemed to fundamentally misunderstand Peter and his wider cast, and lean into endless torture and suffering with little in the way of rising above to triumph. Setbacks and suffering need a purpose to build the character up to victory. Often he’s needed someone else to rescue him recently. During Wells it was Norman, and here it looks like it will be Coulson.
This just feels like more of the same that we have endured, and setting up more of the same to come. That’s why for longer term readers it still feels difficult to enjoy, it’s the wider context, not just the issue here.
@jonathanl-j4i I see, thanks for the explanation
yeaah syra!
I definitely am not vibing with the ending of this issue but I've been enjoying this storyline for the most part and it's clear that he's not going to stay in this broken nihilistic state so I'm open to seeing where this is going.
I still remember 12 years ago when the Peter Parker memory fragment in Superior Spider-Man was willing to put a little girl's life in danger in order to hide his presence from Doc Ock. That still ended up overall being one of my favorite Spidey stories in the post-OMD era that ended up reaffirming Peter's character so I'm keeping an open mind here
Hey man I’m glad you’re enjoying it, I managed to really get into irelands two previous issues! Shame she won’t stay on the book
@mnstash Yeah Ireland's definitely had the better issues so far, I wish it was her sticking around on this book for the long haul ngl
8:57 Okay, this part, I can kinda defend. HEAR ME OUT. If we're going by their logic, Peter managed to live with the pain of losing Aunt May in that hospital better because there, she wasn't injured. Nobody went out to get her. If it were her own illnesses and natural causes, I'm guessing he could accept that as a part of life and cope better. That's the only bit I can sorta justify. HOWEVER, the rest of it, I will fully agree with you. It's an absolute idiotic mess. Had they swapped the Spider-Family with MJ, then it KINDA would be more coherent.
But hey, it's Nick Lowe pulling the strings on this absolute dumpster fire. As if him coining the term "True PAUL-IEVERS" wasn't enough. Ugh, the guy isn't even hiding it anymore. He really did just openly twist and desecrate one of Stan Lee's most iconic phrases. Oh, and in today's session of PKSD (Post-Kelly Stress Disorder), I wanted to let you all know that I submerged myself in the bath to scream for 10 whole minutes. My voice is shot. How are you doing, Stash?
My mind is broken! Nick Lowe has fully ruined my sanity and I might have to try your technique!
We had two good issues by Ireland and so they give the run to the guy who was ruining this story??
Have you read Spider-Man: Fake red ?
Haven’t read it, I’ve only read all of Peter’s stories but it seems pretty obscure now, did it get cancelled?
@mnstash yeah I think it unfortunately got cancelled, it's pretty good tho ngl
@VenomBean17 when I get time I might give it a try thanks :)
What….BS
I think he’ll rediscover it eventually do to the nature of storytelling.
He will but for him to curse the earth is just completely against his character
@ I just want him to have a new direction . I personally believe horizon labs 🧪 should’ve have gone nowhere and keep that job ; I also want to have a love interest that further the storyline . The best to do is give jackpot 🎰 stronger direction and breakup with Paul , read a fan fiction with Medusa x Spider-Man and it was great .
Wait, Kelly is going to be writing the next volume?! We’re screwed. I’ve officially thrown away any hope I have for the new volume
When I learned that Peter quit after this trial, all I could think about was how out of character it was for him. Spider-Man should be willing to carry on the fight, no matter how difficult and challenging it gets. But…no, all of this happens.
I also find it a desperate move from Marvel to have Jed Mackay’s X-Men crossover into this story just because Juggernaut is part of that team. I genuinely love Jed Mackay’s current run on X-Men, but I’m not going to buy those issues of ASM just to see them in a Spider-Man story when the story isn’t good
Isn’t it cool how Ireland got rewarded with two great issues by not getting her own run!
Some people also fail to understand (even tho I say it in the video) he quits being the champion of the earth, NOT being Spider-Man. Which makes the entire thing even worse!