Not entirely true, Rogue Squadron along with several dozen armed freighters, hit Lusankya with several hundred proton torpedoes and concussion missiles, yet managed to only blow the bow off, it was destroyed when it was used to ram a Vong Worldship off Borleias. And Razor's Kiss was an unfinished SSD stolen by Zsinj from Kuat, that had it's shield generators destroyed in the opening moments of the battle.
The Iron Fist was attacked by a few Mon Cal cruisers and 20+ squadrons of fighters (and some sabotage), and still got away. As it was mentioned in one of the X-Wing series books they can be (and several was) destroyed by large number of smaller ships, but the cost in life/material is tremendous...
The force Han attacked Iron Fist with was 2 Mon Calamari cruisers, 2 ISD 2's, a Quasar Fire carrier, and a slew of corvettes and frigates. The force Wedge had at Thyferra during the Lusyanka fight, was Rogue Squadron, a squadron of Twi'lek Deathseeds, about 100 freighters armed with proton torpedoes,and concussion missiles using the targeting data from the fighters, an Alderaanean War Frigate, and an ISD 2 that had defected. The ISD that became Booster Terrik's Errant Venture and a squadron of A-Wings dropped in later in the fight.
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That's virtually if you. If you imagine that if you're really actually piloting not just a superstar destroyer, AK the literal might of the galactic empire not to mention an entire fleet, and you have to keep them all under control while simultaneously attacking rebels. I feel like that's a lot of stress and people can get very incompetent and make bad decisions if they don't think about it correctly
I think the thing that really upsets me about the legends treatment of Super star destroyers, is not that there where more, the empire was vast. it was the fact that the executor wasn't the first one to be destroyed. Much like with the deathstar itself actually successfully destroying one of these things was difficult and the first time it happened was a big deal. So for legends to have even 1 to 2 of these things be destroyed before the battle of endor lessens the impact of the executors defeat.
That might be true. But in Return of the Jedi, Han tried to calm Luke down when he felt Darth Vader's presence on the Executor by pointing out that there were a lot of super star destroyers. So the Empire definitely had a lot more than the official number. Super Star Destroyers aren't even the largest ships in the Imperial starfleet as I understand it.
Ever since it got discontinued you have to pay an arm and a leg for one. The problem is that if or when lego make another one they will also charge you an arm and a leg.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Several Legend novels describe the Megador as similar to the Reaper. While the Reaper was used and sacrificed by Pelleaon to back the retreat of his forces in the Battle of Orinda (?), the Megador served as his flagship for many years and was probably the last Executor-class Star Dreadnought in service of the Empire and together with the Guardian the last Executor-class Star Dreadnought in service at all. Meaning that at the end of the established legends material (not including the Legacy era), there were only two SSD's left, both still being the most powerful ships in the Galactic Alliance navy, even though they were almost fourty years old at that time. The Megador is probably one of the two SSD's mentioned at the end and described as "unnamed". The name is dropped in a later novel when the ship is prominently featured in the Battle of Fondor.
@@danielk5780 Both pretty powerful anyway, although we have never actually seen the Battle of Orinda, outside the Essential Guide to Warfare, and a very brief first mention in Before the Storm (novel) We do have Troy Denning later say the Megador is '5 times more powerful than an ISD', which is at very least, a drastic understatement. Plus, it does have 16 engines, not 13, like the Reaper.
I like the idea of pirates somehow being able to keep up maintainance of one of those monstrocities. Even if things run a lot better in the future, you're going to have things wearing out/ breaking down all the time just by the sheer number of machines on the ship, then there's the question of how universal SSD parts are (did the empire need special fabrication for unique items, or was almost everything interchangable with standard SD's. And how many places use parts that are functional or equivlent to an SSD part) They'd need to own a a planet with a decent manufacturing base just to keep it running. Sure, I'm overthinking it, but hey, it's a way to kill time.
So you can build a death star. Getting it nearly completed takes about 3 years. Or you could use the material and do the smart thing and build (super) star destroyers. If DS2 was 160km in diameter and a SSD is 19km long and 6km wide triangle of 1km height (and that's generous) you could get 350 SSDs for the price of one DS! Which percentage of its resources did the empire use to build DS2? Even 20% would be a lot. In my opinion the empire having hundreds of SSDs and a class of even bigger ships makes way more sense than having a tiny fleet of medium sized ships and then building a ship that is bigger than all of the other ships in the fleet combined.
And how often do you really need this kind of firepower? Several SSDs can burn all major cities of a planet to the ground in no time and are way more flexible than a DS.
Fun fact, that's actually what Grand Admiral Thrawn would have liked (though i think he'd prefer something smaller but still effective, like the Finalizer from Force Awakens). Him and quite a few other people (Darth Vader himself included) disagreed with the idea of the Death Star.
Actually it wasn't really the A-wing that brought it down just a bunch of poorly timed events. Normally the auxiliary bridge would have kicked in but all senior bridge officers were on the main command bridge and thus no one was able to effectively save the Executor on time and that's why the Big E goes down. however under normal operating circumstances the Executor probably would have survived and kept on fighting. although not for every long.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the story of the Ravager is explained in some of the battles on Battlefront. The Survival Mission on Sullust where you steal the plans is most likely how the Rebellion becomes aware of a new Super weapon being built on Sullust, this super weapon being the last know super star destroyer, The Ravager. A campaign is launched to take Sullust from the Empire and a final assault is made on an Imperial hanger which would explain the Walker assault battle. The battle is a crushing defeat for the Rebellion as seen towards the end of the battle, the Ravager rising from the background with a fleet of Imperial class star destroyers and the Rebels are forced to retreat. Later on, intelligence would reveal the location of secret Imperial labs on Jakku which also happened to be where the Ravager was stationed. In one of the last major battles of the GCW the Rebellion launches a full scale assault on Jakku, ending with the destruction of the Ravager, and a humiliating blow to the Empire. What do you guys think?
I hope the DisnEU makes some believable stories about how the other SSDs were commandeered or destroyed. I'm having a hard time believing the pirates bit more than anything. Of course, if it turns out to be Tyber Zann at work, I'll strike my comment from the record.
Alexane Rose Considering the fact they knew each other in the Imperial Academy, I wouldn't put it beyond him, but then again, the game makes it so you have the means to beat him...
Easy, destroy it's shield generator and it becomes very vulnerable because without it even something as common in space as an asteroid can shatter a window and launch a part of the crew into space where they die.
If I remember correctly, the Executor was destroyed by a combination of concentrated fire from the rebel fleet, which managed to take out the shields. Then a damaged A wing flew into the bridge, so there was nothing to stop the Executor from being pulled into the Death Star II's gravity.
It wasn't the gravity that sucked it in though, but a damaged engine that caused it to veer off course. You can see a massive pillar of flame shooting out from the stern as it crashes into the Death Star.
I know you can't really tell that well, but in Battlefront you see a Super Star Destroyer take off while playing on Sullust. Any idea which one that is?
I'm pretty sure it's Executor. Vader is seen on the planet in the Sullust mission and most likely takes off after that. You can make it appear if both AT-AT's are above half health by the second uplink (Walker Assault).
"What of the reports of the rebel fleet massing near Sullust?" - Darth Vader to Emperor Palpatine, on the second deathstar with the Executor nearby. EXECUTOR. NEARBY.
I just crushed the rebel alliance in the Rebellion table top game with my super star destroyers. The most you can get in the game is 2 which makes them that much more important. And I like that they cut down on the number in the canon. It makes them way scarier when they show up.
The Remnant was in pretty dire straits when Thrawn took control, most of the SSD's were in the hands of Warlords or the New Republic. But yeah Thrawn could probably have achieved everything he achieved with a fleet of escape pods, the guy was just that good. :D
I'm in agreement with you on that last bit. Super Star Destroyers should be used very sparingly. In fact, I remember reading somewhere that the Executor had problems, because keeping it supplied with personnel and supplies was a huge strain on the Empire's resources, so having a dozen ships of the same class floating around, makes no sense.
"Guess SSDs have lots of blind spots for guns close in. Feel 600,000 is a more realistic crew". Millions or tens of millions for the crew would be more accurate, assuming a crew density comparable with a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.
Y'know, if the Empire had been smart, they would've massed all their dreadnoughts into a single fleet and raided the Mon Calamari shipyards. Nothing in the galaxy could've stopped them. Even the combined Alliance Fleet would've been powerless to save the shipyards, unless the Mon Calamari had some planetary defenses set up to assist in defending against the Imperial Navy. I doubt, however, that the Alliance had the resources to set up such defenses.
In Disney Canon, the Empire did have control of the planet of Mon Calamari, and the Rebels' MC cruisers either fled the system during the takeover or were built at secret facilities in other systems. In Legends, the Mon Calamari covered all of the known hyperspace routes to their planet with tons of mines and used secret routes to get in and out. So rushing in there with a dreadnought armada would be asking to lose valuable ships. In both continuities, the Empire's biggest weakness was always that it had too many problems to try and deal with at once, so it could never mass forces like that without leaving their backs wide open to other attacks.
Does anyone think that perhaps the Eclipse might have a role to play in future movies? It'd certainly be a big throwback to RotJ to see an old Executor back on the big screen, and since the New Republic and the Resistance seem to be in dire need of some firepower after the destruction of their fleet in TFA, perhaps the Resistance will uncover the true location of the Eclipse and commandeer it as their new flagship... Or if not the movies, perhaps when it is eventually uncovered in some other story, maybe it will give more clues to what secrets Palpatine was up to before his death.
"The more SSDs there are, the less impact they have." what the actual frick?! That doesn't make any sense! Consider this: The more SSDs the Empire has, the greater impact that the EMPIRE as a whole has. We're talking about an military power that controls the majority of an ENTIRE GALAXY! I don't think ONLY 13 SSDs is very realistic for the size of the Empire's territory and resources. Maybe I'm alone on this one, but the Legends version of the Imperial fleet with the Imperial-class Star Destroyer being the backbone/mid-range capital ship, and then things like the Secutor, Allegiance, Bellator, Assertor, and finally Executors filling up the fleet as well is way more realistic for the size of the Empire, and makes a much bigger impact; it makes one truly realize the scale of the Empire, the evil it represents, and just how difficult it is to defeat.
You do know that the movies supports a lot of what you talk about, right? It's not just from the legends. The Empire had many SSDs according to Han Solo in Return of the Jedi, and we know from A New Hope that the Imperial Starfleet was large enough that it had a greater firepower than the Death Star, which strongly suggests a very large fleet of powerful warships.
You should do a video on either all types of capital ships in canon and legends, or all types of Star Destroyers in canon and legends (including the likes of the Harrower-class from SWTOR)
If the emperor cared enough to bring 3 more SSDs in the battle of Endor, It may have ended differently for the rebels (Even if the emperor would surely die).
I made my own SSD that I named the Indomitable. Luckily when I was building it I wasn't an Idiot so when the rebel scum attempted to ram my bridge with an A-wing like last time, all they hit was the observation deck/backup command center that was empty. Meanwhile me and my bridge crew where chilling in the CIC nearly about 100 meters down the hall in the center of the superstructure.
Empire Strikes Back is on TV. As I'm watching and seeing Vader's fleet including his flagship. How many ships were at Vader's disposal when pursuing Luke?
Lusankya best ship "We're going to face them with an enemy they've never had the displeasure of fighting. We're going to hit them with the Empire." ―Wedge Antilles
Shortly before the Battle of Yavin he was commissioned with the search of the alleged rebel base on Dantooine, the one Princess Leia told to Tarkin, but it had already been abandoned. Thus making him the only high ranking officer that avoid that fate.
aah, the executor class star dreadnought, by far my most favorite ship in all of star wars, and know you naming out all of them to me, if i could give this video a million likes i would.
Yah I agree that the more star destroyers there are the less impact and powerful they seem to be. Especially since almost all star destroyers in legend basically had the same story of being built, doing some stuff and getting destroyed, well kind of the same with canon but legends had 13.
better that there is the idea of many star destroyers, or even in some systems older vessels that are throw-backs to the clone wars, I like the idea of a vast fleet with a small number of truly amazing ships.
fun fact: if you up in the sky way on the right in star wars battlefront (must be ground and not dog fight) you can see another super star destroyer. it might be the ravanger or not, but either way, it took heavy damage.
There are more of them, I counted 25 Super Star Destroyers and i'm not sure if thats all. In addition to you video: 0. Unnamed mentioned at the end of your video - from Destiny's Way book. In chapter 12 there is a description about 4km ssd, maybe its not about Executor class but another type? 1. Project Sarlaac - prototype destroyed before finished, before Executor was build. 2. Lusankya - 2nd build, twin sister of Executor, build in secret, named Executor-II at the begining. Was buried under Coruscant and used by Ysanne Isard as prison, then captured by New Republic. 3. Arbitrator - lost in black hole due to hyperjump miscalculation shortly after Battle of Endor 4. Annihilator (2nd one) - used in Star Wars Empire at War: Forces of Corruption. Destroyed by Tyber Zann over Kuat when he tried to steal Eclipse-class. 5. Armadia - part of Black Fleet (together with mentioned Intimidator/Pride of Yevetha). Black Fleet had total of 3 SSD (3rd was unnamed) 6. Unnamed 3rd SSD of Black Fleet 7. Whelm - part of Azure Hammer Command, destroyed in 10 ABY 8. Dominion - left abandoned at Deep 3, found in 12 ABY by Gilad Pellaeon, destroyed in 41 ABY. 9. Megador - left abandoned at Deep 3, found in 12 ABY by Gilad Pellaeon, in 44 ABY still in service.
I have been drawing/designing a potential Executor 2 class, which would fix many of the original issues. Might put a small superlaser on it too because I can.
Also the executor sounds like the titanic and the lusank ya sounds like the rms britannic, which both ships suffered fates, also the imperial navy in a way is like TWSL.
The Megador is mentioned several times during the Swarm War as well as the Legacy of the Force series. Pellaon uses the SSD as his flagship when he takes over as the Commander of the GA Defense Force.
Nostalgia. I had the X-Wing: Iron Fist book back then and its nice to see it again. Also SSD's are the best. If you played Star Wars: Rebellion, you'd know exactly how hard it is to take one down lol
I think there were three or four more SSD's in Legends. Besides Executor, Lusankya, Iron Fist, and Razor's Kiss... 1. Admiral Pellaeon had an SSD in the Yuuzhan Vong War. We see it briefly in the post-Borleias book where Han & Leia visit the Imperial Remnant to discuss strategic cooperation. I believe it was crippled or destroyed later in the war when the Yuuzhan Vong attack Bastion. This was not the Reaper - timeline doesn't match* 2. The New Republic was shown to have an SSD in the book where Cal Omas becomes Chief of State, Ackbar comes out of retirement to formulate a strategic war plan, and the New Republic lures the enemy into a trap, killing Warmaster Tsavong Lah and routing a couple of YH fleets. We see the SSD only at the end. It had not been part of the battle - Cal Omas had been incommunicado, mostly in hyperspace, on that ship leading up to the battle (planted rumors that he and the Jedi were in hiding on a secret base were the bait for the trap). 3. Years later, during the "second civil war", Jacen Solo had an SSD (or something very much like one - bigger than the Anakin Solo, but also equipped with the special long-range turbolaser batteries that the Anikin Solo had). It's pretty much carved to scrap by the end of the series. 4. Also during the second civil war, the Empire (the Moffs that had recently betrayed Pellaeon and nearly immediately sign up to live under Jacen's thumb) shows up at the Verpine shipyards to capture or destroy their manufacturing ability (they had been selling arms and ships with the Mandalorians, who had found a new vein of Beskar ore). Boba Fett fights a holding action until they have to evacuate, and convinces the hive-mother to use her entire starfighter force to annihilate the SSD. ---- So, 7 or 8 (at least) in Legends continuity. I missed or forgot some of the books and comics you mentioned that establish the other dozen or so. Really, though, anything more that 8 or 10 total is ridiculous. The 8 I list above - only four of those were clearly built in the first civil war (near the time of the Battle of Yavin or in the few years following). The other 4 were 20-40 years after Yavin. It defies belief that there would have been enough shipyards equipped to turn out something like 15-18 SSD's in a decade or so around the time of Yavin. (The whole "building a second Death Star" thing was bad enough) It makes more sense looking at them as two characters expressed it. Wedge assesses the SSDs as immensely powerful, but immensely expensive and vulnerable to a less expensive force. Pellaeon laments the ripple effect the destruction of Executor had on the fleet and the Empire - the ship required a lot of personnel and was a prestige posting, so its destruction killed many young officers. --- * timeline: Along with all the other changes, has "canon" changed reference dating to Endor? Expanded Universe/Legends didn't always have individual creations lining up perfectly, but everything was referenced to the Battle of Yavin (ABY, BBY, etc...or "after A New Hope") and worked pretty well (approximately) for narrative purposes. Mentioning Reaper... 9 years after Endor, which is 12 years ABY.... The Yuuzhan Vong war was in years 25-30 ABY.
Makes me wonder if the eclipse Might be in First order Hands if it reports about it being destoryed isn't true Maybe it could be Snokes Flagship for all we know We just have to wait and see what happend to it
Kind of irrelevant, sorta, but does anyone have an idea as to why the First Order doesn't use TIE-interceptor pattern TIES for their fleet? Is it cause they just don't have the resources to produce sutch craft, or is the FO-TIEs just all around better than the Interceptors in some way? Personally, I hope we see some FO-TIE-Interceptors in Ep8. Though, I wouldn't mind if they had more unique fighters for their faction. Also, it would be super awesome if we got a new Star Wars RTS.
I remember in Republic Commando, chapter 2 of the game you go into the Star Destroyer named "The Prosecutor" and reclaim it for the republic from the Droids
Patrick I. Hmm I thought it was a SD, that was a cool chapter of the game, really stealthy and creepy. I was about 8 when I played it I barely finished it ;D
My Cash credits are on the super star destroyer, because I remember seeing that starship on the Empire strikes back and the last, but not least, return of the Jedi, because I really like the super star destroyer because this ship has the length pass the island of Manhattan because It’s almost big is the city of New York and the starship is so great that you can put the entire population of Manhattan Island on board it .
Your point on the amount of SSD's at the end is also the reason why Tolkien reduced the amount of Balrogs in the Silmarillion from a few hundreds to never more than 3-7.
Even at 20, that is still a massive impact. 20 among how many thousands of ships? Seeing one among the opposing fleet would be a terrifying prospect, no matter how many were in existence.
Peter David "....oh no...........the Executor has enetered orbit!" 'B-b-b-but............... I DIDN'T PAY MY TAAAAXEEEEEESSSS' "DAMMIT GRANT YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL"
6:43 the other has just been chilling at my secret base in the unknown regions for the last few decades. I just named it the Indomitable because I don't know the original name ither.
It really highlights the biggest problem I have with Legends; "Hey! This is a cool idea! Let's overuse it to the point where it's utterly boring and predictable!"
It would be pretty cool if the New republic used the three super star destroyers it has to go up against the Eclipse that the first order supposedly went looking for and then just rips the three apart
Had a thought today while looking at Director Orson Krennics name. I think his first name might be a nod to Orson Welles. I think this because Orson Welles was an early candidate to potentially play the voice of Darth Vader, but was then considered too recognizable, so they went with James Earl Jones. Like i said, it would be a cool nod to make Vaders rival the same name as the man who almost played him.
You forgot the Arc Hammer, which was added to cannon years after the game, but now maybe Legends? Even though it was just a massive, mobile factory, it was an SSD.
How many people watch the Ravager fall on Jakku in battlefront?
I wonder that everyone just stops and watches it fall, and then continues shooting each other :D
I've seen it and its breathtaking in-game.
Although she isn't always fallingon the surface, especially on walker assault.
Me
I do it looks so cool
why are these cool ships so easily destroyed? are they made of paper?
they do get destroyed, what is the purpose than, it cant just go on forever to win battles, well forever...
Not entirely true, Rogue Squadron along with several dozen armed freighters, hit Lusankya with several hundred proton torpedoes and concussion missiles, yet managed to only blow the bow off, it was destroyed when it was used to ram a Vong Worldship off Borleias. And Razor's Kiss was an unfinished SSD stolen by Zsinj from Kuat, that had it's shield generators destroyed in the opening moments of the battle.
+J.M. Mitchell
They are not easily destroyed. They usually end up going down in major battles, as they tend to be a priority target.
The Iron Fist was attacked by a few Mon Cal cruisers and 20+ squadrons of fighters (and some sabotage), and still got away. As it was mentioned in one of the X-Wing series books they can be (and several was) destroyed by large number of smaller ships, but the cost in life/material is tremendous...
The force Han attacked Iron Fist with was 2 Mon Calamari cruisers, 2 ISD 2's, a Quasar Fire carrier, and a slew of corvettes and frigates. The force Wedge had at Thyferra during the Lusyanka fight, was Rogue Squadron, a squadron of Twi'lek Deathseeds, about 100 freighters armed with proton torpedoes,and concussion missiles using the targeting data from the fighters, an Alderaanean War Frigate, and an ISD 2 that had defected. The ISD that became Booster Terrik's Errant Venture and a squadron of A-Wings dropped in later in the fight.
My kinda video, Just finished watching the Ravager fall to its doom on Battlefront. :D
nice!
I always love watching it fall when playing Battlefront. I have died many a time because I can't help but watch the space battle happening overhead.
Just imagine an X-Wing game where you could fly and help bring down that monstrosity.
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That moment when you realize most people, even teenagers can utilize the Super Star Destroyers in strategy games better than most Imperial Commanders.
That's virtually if you. If you imagine that if you're really actually piloting not just a superstar destroyer, AK the literal might of the galactic empire not to mention an entire fleet, and you have to keep them all under control while simultaneously attacking rebels. I feel like that's a lot of stress and people can get very incompetent and make bad decisions if they don't think about it correctly
This just my opinion very nice joke
We’ll also it’s just one of us doing but they have whole crews to help them plan
I think the thing that really upsets me about the legends treatment of Super star destroyers, is not that there where more, the empire was vast. it was the fact that the executor wasn't the first one to be destroyed.
Much like with the deathstar itself actually successfully destroying one of these things was difficult and the first time it happened was a big deal. So for legends to have even 1 to 2 of these things be destroyed before the battle of endor lessens the impact of the executors defeat.
I like the low number of SSDs. It makes them all the more important when they show up at a battle.
agreed
+Star Wars Explained I actually thought there was less so thank you
+Star Wars Explained did thrawn own some or were they dradnaughts do all dradnaughts
That might be true. But in Return of the Jedi, Han tried to calm Luke down when he felt Darth Vader's presence on the Executor by pointing out that there were a lot of super star destroyers. So the Empire definitely had a lot more than the official number. Super Star Destroyers aren't even the largest ships in the Imperial starfleet as I understand it.
onlypeaceindeath all he said was there were a lot of command ships...didn't say anything about Super Star Destroyers
I want a lego super star destroyer so bad now
Terminator Gaming there is one
Noah Maldonado Lepin sucks, it may be cheaper but that’s because it feels, looks cheaper. and sucks.
Lundmunchkins that is a UCS (ultimate collector series) set and not a normal set
I've always wanted one of those, I just never had the money to buy one
Ever since it got discontinued you have to pay an arm and a leg for one. The problem is that if or when lego make another one they will also charge you an arm and a leg.
There were 2 more known in Legends, the Dominion & the Megador. They're listed as SSDs as well.
Not necessarily same class. Megador is implied to be maybe smaller.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Several Legend novels describe the Megador as similar to the Reaper. While the Reaper was used and sacrificed by Pelleaon to back the retreat of his forces in the Battle of Orinda (?), the Megador served as his flagship for many years and was probably the last Executor-class Star Dreadnought in service of the Empire and together with the Guardian the last Executor-class Star Dreadnought in service at all. Meaning that at the end of the established legends material (not including the Legacy era), there were only two SSD's left, both still being the most powerful ships in the Galactic Alliance navy, even though they were almost fourty years old at that time.
The Megador is probably one of the two SSD's mentioned at the end and described as "unnamed". The name is dropped in a later novel when the ship is prominently featured in the Battle of Fondor.
@@danielk5780 Both pretty powerful anyway, although we have never actually seen the Battle of Orinda, outside the Essential Guide to Warfare, and a very brief first mention in Before the Storm (novel) We do have Troy Denning later say the Megador is '5 times more powerful than an ISD', which is at very least, a drastic understatement. Plus, it does have 16 engines, not 13, like the Reaper.
I like the idea of pirates somehow being able to keep up maintainance of one of those monstrocities. Even if things run a lot better in the future, you're going to have things wearing out/ breaking down all the time just by the sheer number of machines on the ship, then there's the question of how universal SSD parts are (did the empire need special fabrication for unique items, or was almost everything interchangable with standard SD's. And how many places use parts that are functional or equivlent to an SSD part)
They'd need to own a a planet with a decent manufacturing base just to keep it running.
Sure, I'm overthinking it, but hey, it's a way to kill time.
How could they even get it.., there thousands of soldiers if not hundred thousands..
So you can build a death star. Getting it nearly completed takes about 3 years.
Or you could use the material and do the smart thing and build (super) star destroyers.
If DS2 was 160km in diameter and a SSD is 19km long and 6km wide triangle of 1km height (and that's generous) you could get 350 SSDs for the price of one DS!
Which percentage of its resources did the empire use to build DS2? Even 20% would be a lot. In my opinion the empire having hundreds of SSDs and a class of even bigger ships makes way more sense than having a tiny fleet of medium sized ships and then building a ship that is bigger than all of the other ships in the fleet combined.
But an SSD can't destroy an entire planet in a blink of an eye can it?
And how often do you really need this kind of firepower? Several SSDs can burn all major cities of a planet to the ground in no time and are way more flexible than a DS.
Fun fact, that's actually what Grand Admiral Thrawn would have liked (though i think he'd prefer something smaller but still effective, like the Finalizer from Force Awakens). Him and quite a few other people (Darth Vader himself included) disagreed with the idea of the Death Star.
It's about the fear factor.
Matthew Chan
If you need a DS to make your citizens fear for their lifes and for everybody they love your secret service does a very poor job.
but they can all be taken own by a Y-Wing. Such a waste. I salute thee Admiral Piett
*A-Wing
D'oh!
Actually it wasn't really the A-wing that brought it down just a bunch of poorly timed events. Normally the auxiliary bridge would have kicked in but all senior bridge officers were on the main command bridge and thus no one was able to effectively save the Executor on time and that's why the Big E goes down. however under normal operating circumstances the Executor probably would have survived and kept on fighting. although not for every long.
it was mostly hidden under layers of armor, Almost every ship had an auxiliary bridge, not just venators. CR-90s had them, And many others as well.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the story of the Ravager is explained in some of the battles on Battlefront. The Survival Mission on Sullust where you steal the plans is most likely how the Rebellion becomes aware of a new Super weapon being built on Sullust, this super weapon being the last know super star destroyer, The Ravager. A campaign is launched to take Sullust from the Empire and a final assault is made on an Imperial hanger which would explain the Walker assault battle. The battle is a crushing defeat for the Rebellion as seen towards the end of the battle, the Ravager rising from the background with a fleet of Imperial class star destroyers and the Rebels are forced to retreat. Later on, intelligence would reveal the location of secret Imperial labs on Jakku which also happened to be where the Ravager was stationed. In one of the last major battles of the GCW the Rebellion launches a full scale assault on Jakku, ending with the destruction of the Ravager, and a humiliating blow to the Empire. What do you guys think?
seems possible
The problem is that the battle of Sullust took place before Endor. (As seen in Episode 6 , Moving Target and Lost Stars.)
+Rage Team It still doesn't make it not possible. I mean it does make it significantly less plausible
fak you jangles
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I hope the DisnEU makes some believable stories about how the other SSDs were commandeered or destroyed. I'm having a hard time believing the pirates bit more than anything.
Of course, if it turns out to be Tyber Zann at work, I'll strike my comment from the record.
If it is Good Ol' Tyber then he probably had some weird but good enough for him reason for attacking it.
kabob 007 You can never be too sure about Tyber, can you?
Harrison Dansie Oh no sir, he is as slippery and hard to read as they come. If you can read him then he's playing you like a damn fiddle.
Didn't think people still remember Tyber after all this time. Especially with Thrawn being cannon again. Do you believe he could beat Thranw anyway?
Alexane Rose Considering the fact they knew each other in the Imperial Academy, I wouldn't put it beyond him, but then again, the game makes it so you have the means to beat him...
that's a shitloads of huge ships. probably most got destroyed by few teenagers in small crafts and/or rebel casualties were minimal.... boooring
No they got pounded taking one down.
PyroFan. TV, At least then it would make sense.
-i don't understand how these colossus behemoth size ships got destroyed.
Shoot anything enough and it'll explode, probably
Easy, destroy it's shield generator and it becomes very vulnerable because without it even something as common in space as an asteroid can shatter a window and launch a part of the crew into space where they die.
If I remember correctly, the Executor was destroyed by a combination of concentrated fire from the rebel fleet, which managed to take out the shields. Then a damaged A wing flew into the bridge, so there was nothing to stop the Executor from being pulled into the Death Star II's gravity.
no the bridge is steering control etc so an a wing disrupted when crashed into it an probably violently turned an crashed into deafstar.
It wasn't the gravity that sucked it in though, but a damaged engine that caused it to veer off course. You can see a massive pillar of flame shooting out from the stern as it crashes into the Death Star.
Hey Star Wars explained can you do a video on all admirals and moffs
Great ideas.
+Star Wars Explained plz do
+Star Wars Explained i would love to see all moffs and grand moffs, and grand admirals!
So would I!
I know you can't really tell that well, but in Battlefront you see a Super Star Destroyer take off while playing on Sullust. Any idea which one that is?
Going from one guy's theory in the comments, probably the Ravager, but considering Vader's presence on Sullust, it could be the Executor.
+Turbo furby the one on Sullust is the Lusankya
I'm pretty sure it's Executor. Vader is seen on the planet in the Sullust mission and most likely takes off after that. You can make it appear if both AT-AT's are above half health by the second uplink (Walker Assault).
"What of the reports of the rebel fleet massing near Sullust?" - Darth Vader to Emperor Palpatine, on the second deathstar with the Executor nearby. EXECUTOR. NEARBY.
I just crushed the rebel alliance in the Rebellion table top game with my super star destroyers. The most you can get in the game is 2 which makes them that much more important. And I like that they cut down on the number in the canon. It makes them way scarier when they show up.
Why didn't grand admiral Thrawn have a super star destroyer????
he didn't need one.
Lol the correct answer
The Remnant was in pretty dire straits when Thrawn took control, most of the SSD's were in the hands of Warlords or the New Republic. But yeah Thrawn could probably have achieved everything he achieved with a fleet of escape pods, the guy was just that good. :D
I wonder that to
+Spacedock please do the executor
I'm in agreement with you on that last bit. Super Star Destroyers should be used very sparingly. In fact, I remember reading somewhere that the Executor had problems, because keeping it supplied with personnel and supplies was a huge strain on the Empire's resources, so having a dozen ships of the same class floating around, makes no sense.
The one getting taken over by pirates is stupid....The ship has like 280,000 crew.
"Guess SSDs have lots of blind spots for guns close in. Feel 600,000 is a more realistic crew".
Millions or tens of millions for the crew would be more accurate, assuming a crew density comparable with a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.
onlypeaceindeath no because droids and more sophisticated AI and automated systems can cut that number down.
The ship was damaged by the new republic before the pirates took it
I was the one who said 600,000, wasn't I?
Loving these longer videos
thanks! Loving your username lol
Y'know, if the Empire had been smart, they would've massed all their dreadnoughts into a single fleet and raided the Mon Calamari shipyards. Nothing in the galaxy could've stopped them. Even the combined Alliance Fleet would've been powerless to save the shipyards, unless the Mon Calamari had some planetary defenses set up to assist in defending against the Imperial Navy. I doubt, however, that the Alliance had the resources to set up such defenses.
RtDK Do that and you get your shit kicked in I a million places around the galaxy.
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In Disney Canon, the Empire did have control of the planet of Mon Calamari, and the Rebels' MC cruisers either fled the system during the takeover or were built at secret facilities in other systems.
In Legends, the Mon Calamari covered all of the known hyperspace routes to their planet with tons of mines and used secret routes to get in and out. So rushing in there with a dreadnought armada would be asking to lose valuable ships.
In both continuities, the Empire's biggest weakness was always that it had too many problems to try and deal with at once, so it could never mass forces like that without leaving their backs wide open to other attacks.
The Executor was always my favorite ship from the Star Wars films. It's too bad it was taken out by 1 A-Wing to the bridge.
Lusankya.
Such a majestic name.
Haven't even read the comics and it is already my favorite due to its name.
That super star destroyer on Jakku makes a great mansion for Rey
Does anyone think that perhaps the Eclipse might have a role to play in future movies? It'd certainly be a big throwback to RotJ to see an old Executor back on the big screen, and since the New Republic and the Resistance seem to be in dire need of some firepower after the destruction of their fleet in TFA, perhaps the Resistance will uncover the true location of the Eclipse and commandeer it as their new flagship... Or if not the movies, perhaps when it is eventually uncovered in some other story, maybe it will give more clues to what secrets Palpatine was up to before his death.
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"The more SSDs there are, the less impact they have." what the actual frick?! That doesn't make any sense!
Consider this: The more SSDs the Empire has, the greater impact that the EMPIRE as a whole has. We're talking about an military power that controls the majority of an ENTIRE GALAXY! I don't think ONLY 13 SSDs is very realistic for the size of the Empire's territory and resources.
Maybe I'm alone on this one, but the Legends version of the Imperial fleet with the Imperial-class Star Destroyer being the backbone/mid-range capital ship, and then things like the Secutor, Allegiance, Bellator, Assertor, and finally Executors filling up the fleet as well is way more realistic for the size of the Empire, and makes a much bigger impact; it makes one truly realize the scale of the Empire, the evil it represents, and just how difficult it is to defeat.
You do know that the movies supports a lot of what you talk about, right? It's not just from the legends. The Empire had many SSDs according to Han Solo in Return of the Jedi, and we know from A New Hope that the Imperial Starfleet was large enough that it had a greater firepower than the Death Star, which strongly suggests a very large fleet of powerful warships.
By "impact they have", he meant the less special they are. Their appearance has less impact if you see them too often.
You should do a video on either all types of capital ships in canon and legends, or all types of Star Destroyers in canon and legends (including the likes of the Harrower-class from SWTOR)
Can you do a video about all grand Jedi masters like Yoda???
I absolutely love this episode 😂😂the collection is what got me
Great video!
I'm curious, was the Super Star Destroyer from the Force Unleashed the Executor from Ep. V?
Yes
Yup, that's when it was being constructed near Fondor
the executor was in fact the birthplace of the rebel alliance!
Okay, I wanted to be sure, as I had that impression but with other Super Star Destroyers being around it became an assumption.
If the emperor cared enough to bring 3 more SSDs in the battle of Endor, It may have ended differently for the rebels (Even if the emperor would surely die).
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Prepare for the giant flying cursor. 5:40
Yoooo, the screenshots for the Legends version of the Annihilator were from Empire at War's expansion. I totally forgot that was a thing
The intimidator sent chills up my spine.
R.I.P. The Terror, that ship made for some fun levels in Rebel Assault II.
I made my own SSD that I named the Indomitable. Luckily when I was building it I wasn't an Idiot so when the rebel scum attempted to ram my bridge with an A-wing like last time, all they hit was the observation deck/backup command center that was empty. Meanwhile me and my bridge crew where chilling in the CIC nearly about 100 meters down the hall in the center of the superstructure.
Can you do an episode on the stark hyperspace war?
Great video can you do a video on all star destroyer at the Battle of endor legend
Empire Strikes Back is on TV. As I'm watching and seeing Vader's fleet including his flagship. How many ships were at Vader's disposal when pursuing Luke?
Be cool to see a update like you did with the walkers
Lusankya best ship
"We're going to face them with an enemy they've never had the displeasure of fighting. We're going to hit them with the Empire."
―Wedge Antilles
Grand General Tagge had a SSD after Yavin? I assumed he was killed on board the first Death Star with Tarkin and others.
The Darth Vader comics feature Tagge quite a bit, and are really good.
Shortly before the Battle of Yavin he was commissioned with the search of the alleged rebel base on Dantooine, the one Princess Leia told to Tarkin, but it had already been abandoned. Thus making him the only high ranking officer that avoid that fate.
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks, Freeman.
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Thanks
even Admiral Yularen Died during the First battle of the Death Star, if he was there during the battle of Yavin.
I wouldn't have thought these things could be so easily destroyed
aah, the executor class star dreadnought, by far my most favorite ship in all of star wars, and know you naming out all of them to me, if i could give this video a million likes i would.
Yah I agree that the more star destroyers there are the less impact and powerful they seem to be. Especially since almost all star destroyers in legend basically had the same story of being built, doing some stuff and getting destroyed, well kind of the same with canon but legends had 13.
Thank you for another great video Star Wars explained
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better that there is the idea of many star destroyers, or even in some systems older vessels that are throw-backs to the clone wars, I like the idea of a vast fleet with a small number of truly amazing ships.
You should do a video about the New Republics fleet.
fun fact: if you up in the sky way on the right in star wars battlefront (must be ground and not dog fight) you can see another super star destroyer. it might be the ravanger or not, but either way, it took heavy damage.
There are more of them, I counted 25 Super Star Destroyers and i'm not sure if thats all.
In addition to you video:
0. Unnamed mentioned at the end of your video - from Destiny's Way book. In chapter 12 there is a description about 4km ssd, maybe its not about Executor class but another type?
1. Project Sarlaac - prototype destroyed before finished, before Executor was build.
2. Lusankya - 2nd build, twin sister of Executor, build in secret, named Executor-II at the begining. Was buried under Coruscant and used by Ysanne Isard as prison, then captured by New Republic.
3. Arbitrator - lost in black hole due to hyperjump miscalculation shortly after Battle of Endor
4. Annihilator (2nd one) - used in Star Wars Empire at War: Forces of Corruption. Destroyed by Tyber Zann over Kuat when he tried to steal Eclipse-class.
5. Armadia - part of Black Fleet (together with mentioned Intimidator/Pride of Yevetha). Black Fleet had total of 3 SSD (3rd was unnamed)
6. Unnamed 3rd SSD of Black Fleet
7. Whelm - part of Azure Hammer Command, destroyed in 10 ABY
8. Dominion - left abandoned at Deep 3, found in 12 ABY by Gilad Pellaeon, destroyed in 41 ABY.
9. Megador - left abandoned at Deep 3, found in 12 ABY by Gilad Pellaeon, in 44 ABY still in service.
Omg u included elite squadron sweet its a really good game
I have been drawing/designing a potential Executor 2 class, which would fix many of the original issues. Might put a small superlaser on it too because I can.
The whole time, I was waiting to hear about the one in Rebel Strike XD
It's one of my favorite GameCube games, so I was waiting.
Need a video on the economy which permits these ridiculous ships to be built in mass
Also the executor sounds like the titanic and the lusank ya sounds like the rms britannic, which both ships suffered fates, also the imperial navy in a way is like TWSL.
The Executor Super Star Destroyer is my all time favorite Star Wars ship
The Megador is mentioned several times during the Swarm War as well as the Legacy of the Force series. Pellaon uses the SSD as his flagship when he takes over as the Commander of the GA Defense Force.
The megador as far as i know, isn’t an Executor class dreadnought
anyone who thinks the Disney cannon is better then legends then you are a traitor
They are both crappy fan fiction.
Tyler Dunn, I think most people still regard the old canon as canon no matter what Disney says.
Nostalgia. I had the X-Wing: Iron Fist book back then and its nice to see it again.
Also SSD's are the best. If you played Star Wars: Rebellion, you'd know exactly how hard it is to take one down lol
Can you do a video about the Hutt Jedi Beldorion? If you do make a video I would be very happy.
I think there were three or four more SSD's in Legends.
Besides Executor, Lusankya, Iron Fist, and Razor's Kiss...
1. Admiral Pellaeon had an SSD in the Yuuzhan Vong War. We see it briefly in the post-Borleias book where Han & Leia visit the Imperial Remnant to discuss strategic cooperation. I believe it was crippled or destroyed later in the war when the Yuuzhan Vong attack Bastion. This was not the Reaper - timeline doesn't match*
2. The New Republic was shown to have an SSD in the book where Cal Omas becomes Chief of State, Ackbar comes out of retirement to formulate a strategic war plan, and the New Republic lures the enemy into a trap, killing Warmaster Tsavong Lah and routing a couple of YH fleets. We see the SSD only at the end. It had not been part of the battle - Cal Omas had been incommunicado, mostly in hyperspace, on that ship leading up to the battle (planted rumors that he and the Jedi were in hiding on a secret base were the bait for the trap).
3. Years later, during the "second civil war", Jacen Solo had an SSD (or something very much like one - bigger than the Anakin Solo, but also equipped with the special long-range turbolaser batteries that the Anikin Solo had). It's pretty much carved to scrap by the end of the series.
4. Also during the second civil war, the Empire (the Moffs that had recently betrayed Pellaeon and nearly immediately sign up to live under Jacen's thumb) shows up at the Verpine shipyards to capture or destroy their manufacturing ability (they had been selling arms and ships with the Mandalorians, who had found a new vein of Beskar ore). Boba Fett fights a holding action until they have to evacuate, and convinces the hive-mother to use her entire starfighter force to annihilate the SSD.
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So, 7 or 8 (at least) in Legends continuity. I missed or forgot some of the books and comics you mentioned that establish the other dozen or so.
Really, though, anything more that 8 or 10 total is ridiculous. The 8 I list above - only four of those were clearly built in the first civil war (near the time of the Battle of Yavin or in the few years following). The other 4 were 20-40 years after Yavin. It defies belief that there would have been enough shipyards equipped to turn out something like 15-18 SSD's in a decade or so around the time of Yavin. (The whole "building a second Death Star" thing was bad enough)
It makes more sense looking at them as two characters expressed it. Wedge assesses the SSDs as immensely powerful, but immensely expensive and vulnerable to a less expensive force. Pellaeon laments the ripple effect the destruction of Executor had on the fleet and the Empire - the ship required a lot of personnel and was a prestige posting, so its destruction killed many young officers.
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* timeline: Along with all the other changes, has "canon" changed reference dating to Endor? Expanded Universe/Legends didn't always have individual creations lining up perfectly, but everything was referenced to the Battle of Yavin (ABY, BBY, etc...or "after A New Hope") and worked pretty well (approximately) for narrative purposes.
Mentioning Reaper... 9 years after Endor, which is 12 years ABY.... The Yuuzhan Vong war was in years 25-30 ABY.
Makes me wonder if the eclipse Might be in First order Hands if it reports about it being destoryed isn't true
Maybe it could be Snokes Flagship for all we know
We just have to wait and see what happend to it
Kind of irrelevant, sorta, but does anyone have an idea as to why the First Order doesn't use TIE-interceptor pattern TIES for their fleet? Is it cause they just don't have the resources to produce sutch craft, or is the FO-TIEs just all around better than the Interceptors in some way?
Personally, I hope we see some FO-TIE-Interceptors in Ep8. Though, I wouldn't mind if they had more unique fighters for their faction. Also, it would be super awesome if we got a new Star Wars RTS.
I remember in Republic Commando, chapter 2 of the game you go into the Star Destroyer named "The Prosecutor" and reclaim it for the republic from the Droids
It's not a star destroyer. It's an acclamator assault ship, which is more of a frigate than destroyer. A Venator-Class is considered a star destroyer.
Patrick I. Hmm I thought it was a SD, that was a cool chapter of the game, really stealthy and creepy. I was about 8 when I played it I barely finished it ;D
My Cash credits are on the super star destroyer, because I remember seeing that starship on the Empire strikes back and the last, but not least, return of the Jedi, because I really like the super star destroyer because this ship has the length pass the island of Manhattan because It’s almost big is the city of New York and the starship is so great that you can put the entire population of Manhattan Island on board it .
Your point on the amount of SSD's at the end is also the reason why Tolkien reduced the amount of Balrogs in the Silmarillion from a few hundreds to never more than 3-7.
Even at 20, that is still a massive impact. 20 among how many thousands of ships? Seeing one among the opposing fleet would be a terrifying prospect, no matter how many were in existence.
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Those 20 also have the fire power of a small fleet. So any fleet they are in is a fleet and a half.
That one moment..
you fucked up the hyperspace coordinates and crashed into a planet at faster than light speed.
Pleas Make a video on if clones can be Jedi or if they can be force sensitive
Nice topic!
Did anyone notice that The Ravager shares the name with The Ravager from KOTOR II which was Darth Nihilus' ship
Still think that Executor should be pronounced as in Execute.
Yeah, he pronounces it like a massive starship was constructed to carry out the terms of a will.
+timharrod I'm not the only one! xD
Yeah, Imperial names are usually meant to inspire awe and fear.
Same here...I keep thinking there's a probate court on that ship.
Peter David
"....oh no...........the Executor has enetered orbit!"
'B-b-b-but............... I DIDN'T PAY MY TAAAAXEEEEEESSSS'
"DAMMIT GRANT YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL"
EXECUTOR. [00:49]
ANNIHILATOR (AGAIN) [01:08]
RAVAGER. [01:54]
ENFORCER. [03:03]
INTIMIDATOR. [03:37]
IRON FIST. [03:58]
SECOND DEATH. [04:26]
REAPER. [05:30]
Do a video on the shadow council and gallius Rex once the aftermath trilogy is finished
You should do Legends video about superweapon Silencer?
6:43 the other has just been chilling at my secret base in the unknown regions for the last few decades. I just named it the Indomitable because I don't know the original name ither.
It really highlights the biggest problem I have with Legends; "Hey! This is a cool idea! Let's overuse it to the point where it's utterly boring and predictable!"
It would be pretty cool if the New republic used the three super star destroyers it has to go up against the Eclipse that the first order supposedly went looking for and then just rips the three apart
Had a thought today while looking at Director Orson Krennics name. I think his first name might be a nod to Orson Welles. I think this because Orson Welles was an early candidate to potentially play the voice of Darth Vader, but was then considered too recognizable, so they went with James Earl Jones. Like i said, it would be a cool nod to make Vaders rival the same name as the man who almost played him.
Annihilator waa originally meant for Tarkin and the Executor was Vader's but Tagge wanted it as a power move
You should do something with every SSD variant legends and cannon. That would be awesome! My favorite is Jarrus's Vengeance class.
Literally the Yamato class battleships of the Star Wars Universe.
How could a group of pirates passably take over a super star destroyer?
ikr ....
PurpleConnor Fortress droids
The actor who played tagge was a simulant in Red dwarf season 7
Can you do one on the Snowspeeder?
I think that Thrawn ends up taking the Eclipse.
You forgot the Arc Hammer, which was added to cannon years after the game, but now maybe Legends? Even though it was just a massive, mobile factory, it was an SSD.
I like that the ravager has its own map in war robots
Evidently the Empire never heard of scuttling (self destruct).
Probably make a video about the malevolence in the clone wars
It's amazing that superstar destroyers were destroyed, captured and whatever else. Such massive ships shouldn't be able to be destroyed.
Those Annihilators got annihilated
Didn't Jerec use a Super Star Destroyer in Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II? Or am I mistaken?
Yeah he did, that was Vengeance Class tho, not Executor.
Spacedock Oh ok thanks for clarifying that for me!
Hey your here too cool but it the Vengeance Class Light Super Star Destroyer is what your thinking of.
I thought that was a eclipse class
hondo ohnaka productions the eclipse class was under the comand of the reborn emperor
+Star Wars explained can you do every canon tie fighter?
including the inquisitor's ship?
Damn... imagine you're just flying around in space and you end up in the unknown regions and see an fking ssd
Imagine going on a hike and stumbling upon an abandoned super star destroyer