Outrage over expelled student returning to class | GMA
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2023
- The student allegedly wrote a kill list a year ago and is now being sent back to school to join former classmates.
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I don't understand why they couldn't put him in online learning or another school. They're putting all those students in danger and it's sickening.
I'm no lawyer, but I don't think the "separate but equal" doctrine is gonna fly here. The principal is in a lose-lose situation. He's damned if he does allow him back, and he's damned if he doesn't allow him back.
i dont think it wld even make a difference. if he wants to do something he will just go back and do it whether hes supposed to be there or not
I think the kid need to stay home and do home school and online school and so the teachers and the other kids can stay safe in school. Or get a court order from the court to make him stay home.
@@a1yssaa good point
What I don’t understand is why the parents do not physically hit him if he does something wrong because that is very very very wrong
If that was my child he would be cremated by now because he wouldn’t be alive today if he did that that’s for sure.
This is the kind of thing that made me leave teaching after ten years in the classroom. Seeing how public schools did not value the safety of children and staff time and time again made me furious and hate going to work every day.
That's sad. My foster son had issues, his teachers didn't quit on him and thank God they didn't, he's an incredible kid now after he got the help he actually needed.
@@zzzroxyzzz This is exactly how school shootings happen
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@@zzzroxyzzz Sorry but if someone's child has issues the teachers, school staff, doctors and nobody else is obligated to tolerate their abusive outbursts. Too bad for him but if he has issues that's his problem.
This move puts this student as a target for being bullied, isolated, ostracizing, shamed, and adds to the stress of the other students worring about if this student will resort to violence if he is having a bad day. This is a no win situation for everyone.
I retired this past June after 29 years of teaching and one of the things I was most grateful for was that I never had to go through a school lockdown/shooting situation, though we did practice such things constantly. That was not what I signed up for. One of my colleagues once said something to the effect of "that sort of thing wouldn't happen here." I told him, "Yeah, I'm 100% certain that's what every teacher at every one of those schools thought too, right up to the moment gunfire began."
Ugh, no
My mom who has worked in education over 30 years is retiring at the end of this month, months before the end of the year due to how the school district handles situations exactly like this. There is currently a student in her school who has been in trouble numerous times for outburst and fights and was caught with a “list” themselves and is still currently enrolled in the school, after only getting a week’s suspension! It’s absolutely appalling the way these situations are handled.
Sad but glad
And there's really no reason why this should be going on.
Even when I was in school, I was really confused as to why they let the bully in the same classroom as everyone else.
Nobody learns anything. And some kids start feeling unsafe in school.
Why are these children being pushed to do these things? Unaddressed bullying?
@@henrylitwick7 that still isn't an excuse to kill people. I was bullied and abused at home. I never once thought to myself oh let me make a hit list. they need psychological help and another school.
Australia has a teacher shortage at the moment higher salaries are alot higher than USA and you will never have to do a lock down drill ever again
We had a student that did this. He was required to get inpatient psychiatric treatment. He had to get the approval from his psychiatrist to be allowed back. He went on and graduated without incident. He's married, has kids, and is a productive member of society. I think if the kid gets the right help
You’re one of the few rational people on here. Rehabilitation can work. But cut off people entirely (jail, cancelled, isolated, etc) and it just makes things worse for them, and by extension, everyone around them. Sad that people can’t see that.
This country did away with mental health care on the whole during the Reagan Admin., Getting the right help is like finding a unicorn, unless you're rich of course.
@@RaccCity55 Therapy for me is like $200 a session, even with insurance (they wont pay anything till I fork over 5k or so, then they'll cover 80% -_-) and I'm on the lighter side of things. I cant imagine what people with more serious and threatening mental health problems have to go through.
Even a trip to the grippy sock ward has cost my friends way too much. How do we expect anyone to get better when the few resources we have are too expensive?
Edit:I've also seen a mom on TicTok who has a son who "could easily get a Netflix documentary." He is a big strong teen with a broken brain. He is lucky to have been in a family privlaged enough to get him the bare minimum help he needs.... and even then, the resources and people he needs just arent there. It's so sad and upset, he is living one of the best case scenarios (wealthy parents with insurance) and it's still not enough.
The information that was given seems like they are washing their hands of it. I doubt this Kentucky school is taking this seriously at all
I read that book! Dr suess wrote it huh?
I had a friend in school that did this for everyone that bullied him. He never hurt anyone and never had any intention to. He just thought that if he could intimidate them by adding their name to his "kill list", he could maybe get a little respect or understanding. I'm not saying that was a good move but I do see his pain. Dude was hurting. He's grown up now and a working blacksmith with a lovely family.
EDIT: I'm not advocating for this kid returning to school, especially considering he will be ostracized and bullied for this whole debacle. My point is simply that we don't know enough to label him as anything other than a kid.
I was thinking the same; that had to be a list of kids that bullied this one. Maybe if faculty would address the bullies instead of rolling their eyes at them, the list would have never been written.
@@Cheshyre. There is also the home life of any such person to consider.
This!
I think similarly. I don't shame the fear from the parents, but I was once in a situation like this kid and around the same age, except never punished, because I was an honor student and they rightly assumed it was a one-off occurrence.
But I get fully in this climate that when kids die from kids like this one regularly....what do we do? We don't have the resources to see which kid is only depressed and which is an active danger. I empathize with this kid, but it looks like everyone knows this kid as the one who wrote the list--he will only be ostracized and bullied more when he returns. For his sake as well, he will not do well there.
I think this decision for this particular kid will cause more bullying for him unfortunately. Especially since we don't know what rumors had been created during his absence or how he was found with the list. Sounds like the person you mentioned got by because the whole school and parents were not aware of the list.
If there are other high schools in the district the student should start fresh there
This is just one reason my daughter has changed her Major and is no longer seeking a degree in elementary education. It was a difficult decision; however, she feels schools are no longer safe for anyone.
Wow. I don't blame the parents for feeling that way. What I want to know is, what has been happening for this student during his year off? Was he getting much-needed behavioral therapy? Was his home life looked into?
I think you should volunteer for a police inspection so we can take your words as being honest.
@@johnwattdotca ?
They asked IF the student was doing these things, they didn't say the student DID do these things
@@johnwattdotca Perhaps you should reread what this person wrote.
I'm assuming the principal consulted with the school counselor, and that's how he came to the conclusion the kid isn't a threat. But that might be a big assumption.
@@777Skeptic after watching the parkland shooting case, I would err on the side of that being a big assumption lol. So many thing that you think SHOULD be happening, shockingly don't in these school shooting cases.
I can see both sides to this- but my opinion is that him going back to the same school sets everyone up for failure. The other students will not treat him the same way. They will fear him. They will stay away from him. He has a reputation that could easily turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy if he’s put back into the exact same environment. If he’s been helped, and experts truly feel he’s safe to be in a school setting then allow him and his previous peers to have a fresh start. Give him a different school. Give him options- let him pick which school he feels most confident/comfortable in. But don’t send him back to the same school.
What different school do you propose they send him to?
The title is very misleading. The kid was expelled from Connor Middle school when he was in the 8th grade. He now attends Connor High school. It’s not the same school. Just the same kids that happened to graduate ended up going to the same high school. That is why he was allowed to attend. These parents have the right to be concerned however they are wrong for blaming the school for letting him attend. His offense was in a completely different school🤷🏻♀️
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"He seemed like a normal kid. We can't understand why this happened."
"Allegedly made threats" what a joke.
These people will have blood on their hands if they give this the go ahead.
Whoever is signing off on that student returning should be held liable for anything that student does. They shouldn’t run, get offended or surprised when they are sued by the parents or students. Especially those who were on the list.
The superintendent and the school board decide. The board are elected officials, the parents can vote them out in the next election.
Maybe they should have also been questioning the students on that list to find out if they were bullying
They can’t be held liable because they didn’t let him return to the school he was expelled from. They let him attend high school. It just so happens that the 8th graders from his middle school also went on to the same high school. So they are not in the wrong. I am not saying the parents don’t have the right to be concerned but they need to stop acting like the school is wrong for letting him attend when this isn’t the school he was expelled from.
@@adastra9892 But it's the School Board for the district that makes those decisions, not the school principals. The high school principal didn't have a say.
@@breal7277 they can expel the child from the whole district. Not how it works🤷🏻♀️ like they said he has the right to attend public school.
Ok, so if the student decides to act and hurt someone, then they should all be held responsible too
He could of done that a long time ago he didn’t need an invitation back to the school
Crazy thing is they can't even reason with the principal "what if one of your kids was on the list?" Because his kid IS on the list and he's still allowing the potential mass shooter back!
Public schools are part of the government. The government will never be held accountable to their own standards
Just wait until something bad happens. Then the school can turn the other cheek and play the victim and wonder “what could have been done to prevent this” 🙄
The student has a legal right to an education and will have been educated during the period of expulsion. Perhaps it's best if that was continued. It's in everyone's best interests if the student's education is continued elsewhere.
Kids who do this kind of thing there is usually a trauma hidden behind the anger. The level of bullying can be brutal. One my kids was called Jesus by his classmates. They were forever physically and verbally attack him, telling him he should go to Heaven as in suicide. The school did nothing. We home schooled for 2 years and he finished high-school at the next over school district. My youngest transferred there too. Someone needs to find out what is causing that young man's pain and anger.
This. Exactly. However too many teachers are apathetic to the bullied, and most often favor the bullies, especially if the bullies are well to do.
I have to agree with the parents on this one. The school should at least install metal detectors.
Yeah my new school in North Carolina has em
@@gwenmloveskpopcecmorelol why not just pass gun control
@@0IIIIII yeah
That's an unfair burden to put on the school. American public schools already have such a limited budget to do that you'd have to buy new equipment, hire security guards. Heck, even the electric bill would slowly creep up. Those funds would unfortunately probably be coming out of other teacher's paychecks. And all for one kid?
@@katmorgandontcare3367 yeah most CMS schools have em cause it’s CMS
What measures were taken to bring the student back? Did he have therapy? Was he evaluated? What steps were taken?
Evaluated for what? Did he commit a crime?
It doesn’t even matter because he was expelled from Connor Middle School. He and the rest of the 8th graders he was in middle school with all attend Connor High school so the parents need to stop acting like he went back to the same school. Two different schools same kids
@@adastra9892 it's the same school district moron
@@0IIIIII don't purposefully stupid, it's not cute.
@Nunya Business you know what's weird, that's like gaming on a random tuesday
I wonder how this kid feels, seeing himself on the news, looking at how scared people are to see him
My mother is struggling with a similar issue in her school right now; a potentially highly dangerous individual that isn't being placed under any kind of restrictions.
That, and there are teachers randomly quitting because they, "won't be in a prison without a warden."
She has told me more than once that she'd do anything to just go back to retail. Yeah. RETAIL. That's how bad it is.
Teaching is very quickly just becoming another profession where it's seen as acceptable to overwork and underpay staff, and it's disgusting.
That student needs to go to an alternative school. Can’t return to his regular school
It would be a violation of his rights and would be overkill.
@@0IIIIII If that's an invasion of his rights then I guess what you're saying is that he also had every right to make a kill list too. Girl get out and take that kid with you. He needs to be expelled period and then go to therapy in order to get his mental health checked and rehabilitated. 🙃
So he was expelled from middle school, they were not in the high school, so it's not a return.
@@0IIIIII would it be? Haha I don’t think so
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If I had children there’s no fu@!ing way I would send my kid to a regular school. I wouldn’t be able to deal with the fear and anxiety. It’s so sad our country has gotten to this point 🥺
Well public schools are a joke anyway. I'd never send my kid to below average education. Then again I'd never raise my child In the silly south where they lead the entire country in worst education rankings.
Let your kid decide that. Your emotions are separate from your kids. You’re mixing the two.
I don't blame you. Regular folks being put in the same space as society's worst people.
And then expecting everyone to "Just get along."
The biggest flaw is that a lot of these Administration guys don't like confrontation. So, they just pass around the problem kid. And hope somebody else can take the punches for them.
If I had children I would be very interested in homeschooling.
That’s why my step mom’s friend home schools her kids but not everyone has the time nor patience
At my high school a senior boy SA a freshman girl on school grounds and he was suspended for a few weeks and he did some time in jail but then he was let back. The poor girl ended up changing schools so she didn't have to see him. Dangerous people shouldn't be around kids, end of story.
You realize this is also a child, correct?
Way, way worse than writing down the names of people you can't stand and calling it a "kill list" without taking any actions to actually harm them. I support reintegration for an 8th grader who did the latter; but your SA perp should have have been in juvie, if not adult jail.
I understand their fear, however let’s hope this kid is getting help and being closely watched now. Reforming a child should be hopeful. There needs to be a way back, so they don’t actually do something that harms others.
My child's school honors students with violent intent in the same way. They are super freaking charming and disarming when called out about it.
Psychopaths are really good at that. It’s scary how well they can blend into society. But we aren’t allowed to call them that anymore. It’s an anti social personality… 😒
@@alos4025 Exactly. Seems like the PC police are actually stronger at up holding whatever it is that they are tripping on that day than the ACTUAL police are at upholding the law. Ha.
Yes, they are. At our local school. our counselo'rs favorite kids are drug dealers; always advocating for them even though they deal.
Did they get the child some sort of psychiatric help before returning?? Also, if there is any bullying of that kid, that could really set him over the edge. This could end up bad. Hope it doesn’t.
The only sensible comment here...
Exactly, I am not on the kid's side but if the reason for a hit list is because of bullying then the board of the school should at least address the bullying part. They are not only responsible for the studen's education but for mental health as well.
They should also expel those who provoke threats with their abusive behavior.
When I was in middle school there was a kid who made a hit list in my class. He got expelled but luckily his parents didn't try to get him back in. Why would anyone (including the parents and the child) want this? He's going to be ostracized and that will probably make him feel like making another list. Just get a fresh start at a different school where nobody knows about the incident!
Exactly what I was thinking
Exactly, this is almost instigating a problem at this point.
Hebron, KY has a population of 6850. There is no other high school. His parents likely have low-paying jobs in the area so moving is out of the question too. Keep in mind KY is not exactly known for its high-paying rural jobs.
I always wonder why the parents (who are complaining) don't offer to pay for the child to go to another school. If that's what you want to happen and finances might be a limiting factor, then raise some money and offer the child a fresh start elsewhere. But, no. Complain to the underpaid teachers/staff who have no choice and are high on the list of potential victims instead. Lobby the governor of the state, not your local school.
That's a really interesting take and highlights the systemic issue and how headlines like this don't see the full picture.
I liked your Teaches Typing game when I was in prison
Could you imagine if your child was on that list. My goodness !
lol chill out. What’s illegal about writing a list?
Obviously they did something to be on there and I would want to know why?
@@0IIIIII Mmmh
Yap
The same with 6yrs old came with the Gun and shot his teacher ....sure
All the kids who came kill their fellow students are mentally and very angry students
Remember that I hope your kid won't end up on receiving Gun,and your tooth grin will be closed for sure...
I’d be asking myself why
Are y’all parents? with all the school shootings there have been To have been notified about a list like this is to have the fear that it could have been a notification that your child is dead. Once a list like that is written finding out why that are on it is irrelevant and should come second to making sure that that action isn’t carried out. Once the child that wrote it is back in your child’s school there is a terror that your child won’t come home. But if you were parents I wouldn’t have to explain this. And if y’all are parents And you still don’t get that then idk what else to say
To those who think banning him from school will fix this, he could always infiltrate the school by other means as a non-student to conduct horror. Nikolas Cruz and Adam Lanza both were well past their youth and still brought horror to Parkland and Newtown. I hate to point this out, but we must acknowledge this fact
Yes but for him to have FULL ACCESS to the school now and learn NEW LOCKDOWNS and NEW PROCEDURES. NOT ONLY IS THIS OUTRAGEOUS HE CAN NOW LEARN HOW TO KILL THESE STUDENTS FAR MORE BETTER THAN BEFORE! I hate to say this but walking into that school is a DEATH TRAP!
@@carzia_speed2235 one could also argue that by denying him this the parents and schoolboard would almost be goading him to do such a thing. A wise man once said “do not awaken the sleeping giant.”
@@Maddawg31415 I understand what you're saying but his time back at school is not going to be pleasant or easy. I don't know what they should do honestly.
@@justmejenny7986 totally get it. If I were parent and major mental illness was ruled out, if I had the resources I’d be considering private ed, homeschooling, alternative ed options by the district, or moving altogether. Unless there’s a miracle I see this individual having a super rough 4 years ahead with High School
@@Maddawg31415 It sounds like the kid was already awoken because he made a list while enrolled in the school. I doubt being put at another school or in alternative education would give him more cause then he already felt like he had.
And after the student does something unimaginable the ones in charge of this decision will say "there was nothing we could have done"
As someone who has faced public school disciplinary actions for threats, that kid should not be allowed back on the property of that school. I was out of school for a month and was forced to swap schools for the protection of everyone involved. That punishment made sense. I couldn't step foot in the grounds of that school until I turned 22. There's a fair balance that can be achieved, that school board is just incompetent.
I hope the kids and parents protest this. My fear though, is that this student will get angry and come back for revenge if he’s not allowed back. Then again, he could take action if he is allowed back. No kid should have to worry about dying when they are going to school to learn.
You’re right, I think you should go and end that child right now, you help a lot of people. Honesty the comments in this video are dumb
Only in America
@@jarrodhunter6968 you sure
For all you know the student was being terribly bullied so he made that list. Instead of protesting maybe parents should teach their kids that their words and bad behaviors toward others hurt.
This exact thing happened when a former friend of mine threatened to kill myself and others in highschool. I remember clear as day when I had to sit with the school psychologist and the superintendent as they explained to me that "nothing could be done". They then gave me a good samaritan award that year for reporting him to the police. What a joke.
As you're alive, I assume he didn't kill people so it sounds like it worked out, if a bit stressful.
@ MrBrock314. Damn your in every thread defending this looney. What's he your son? We have so many names and explanations to explain away crazy now. Kid is a lost cause and should be treated as such. Get out of our feelings. Or the women won't have anything to do.
@@MrBrock314 what a stupid thing to say to a survivor. "well you survived almost dying and having threats against your life so its ok"
This child is someone who obviously needs support, not a community ostracizing him.
Without the support and forgiveness and nurturing, all these people will do is create the monster they accuse him of being. That's what's shameful.
I get that but how would you feel if your child was on that hit list? How can the child on the hit list not be terified to go to school with that child? Can he not go to another school?
@@maryj1156 I think they should at least adress the rooth of the problem first. A hit list like that might be a result of a trauma from bullying.
The fact that he's a disturbed kid who needs support is the responsibility of his parents. Finding him a different school is the responsibility of the school board. The community's responsibility is protecting their children from spending 5 days a week in the same building with someone who wants to literally kill them. I hope HIS PARENTS get him some help. Supporting kids and freeing them from reasonable consequences are two very different things.
I feel for that baby and all the babies affected! And I wouldn't know what to do as an educator so I feel for them too! Such a sad situation.
Schools just care about enrollment numbers. They don't care about anything else. They ignore horrible behavior every day. They don't want the bad publicity. Bad students get moved from school to school, instead of getting the mental help they need. Parents refuse the help offered by the schools, too, so this crap just keeps happening. It's pretty sad. It makes me want to quit the profession. It used to be that a child would get guidance from parents, family, etc. The only one giving guidance now, are teachers, and we are quitting by the droves. The society is crap. Jesus, come soon!
If I were a parent, I would switch my kid to a different school or unenroll them from public school all together 😬
@@Noe11e good for you, but many other parents don’t have that option, so it isn’t feasible for everyone.
When I was growing up, I was enrolled in THREE different elementary schools, the last of which I lasted from 2nd-5th grades. I think it's more to do with physically violent behavior than emotionally. But that's just me.
You are not lying about bad kids being moved from school to school. In Texas, many of them are able to use the McKinney-Vento act. They say they’re homeless and you pretty much have to enroll them, no questions asked. When you pull up their records you see they have all kinds of behavioral issues and have jumped from school to school. You can try and fight it, but the district will say that they have to be educated somewhere. 🤷🏾♀️
@@gameshowguy2000 I just did the math and I went to 12 different schools as a student not including the career tech center and dual enrolling in college during high school. I switched schools at least 2x in each grade beginning in 8th grade. I also did an extra year due to losing credits here and there from all the changes. I also took a term off due to some family issues. In my 13th year, I was enrolled in 2 different high schools at the same time for transportation reasons. Public bussing is wack where I live. I also went to our local career tech center which I think the college owns but it serves all the semi local high schools up to like 1 hour away. And I also was taking some classes at the college. And I had a job at the 2nd high school (helped the librarian and art teacher sometimes) and I was officially on payroll at the career tech center. They had a little student bank inside where I could cash my check which I used to pay my cellphone and public bus bill (the bus wasn’t bad in town just wack where I lived). My teachers always said I was well behaved and responsible. It wasn’t because of behavior that I switched so much. Being poor sucks and it literally made it so I graduated a year late.
Imagine how uneasy the students of that school must feel. 😢 Scary!
That's fair. Now let's assume the child wrote the list because they were going through a rough time and had no intention of following through. How does that child feel when parents want to keep him away from their kids? I don't think that's psychologically great either and, in fact, is more likely to lead to the outcome the parents fear.
If he's in therapy and kept away from weapons, he's no more dangerous than anyone else at that school, most likely. In fact, if he's in therapy and kept away from weapons, he's probably safer than 90% of them.
@@MrBrock314 Doesn't matter
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Good! Those kids that bullied him should feel threatened, and maybe they'll stop and leave him alone after all this publicity. I feel for both sides, but you must remember that kids are cruel to one another. I say let the kid return, but set him up with a psychiatrist or some therapeutic treatments.
When I was a kid in elementary school we had a student making threats to burn the building down. He was taking out of class and disciplined but that was about it. He never got suspended regardless of making threats. He’d say to me if I burned the place down we wouldn’t have to go to school anymore. You’d be in juvenile detention with a lawsuit on your hands while I’m at another school.
Holy crap. This is in my area. I had no idea this was going on there.
Why wasn't the student placed at another high school? The student gets another chance at a normal life and the other students at his former high school don't get further traumatised by seeing him at school.
Or just keep the kid locked up or worse
Because he can only be banned for a maximum of 1 year. It would be up to him if he wanted to go to a different school, not the school.
So the answer is to send the student to ANOTHER school where he may create ANOTHER kill list and possibly follow through with it!? YEAAAAAHHHH...OKAYYYYY!!
@@777Skeptic I'm not sure if that's correct unless the law has changed because I was expelled in HS back in the 80s and had to stay home approx 3 mos until the new semester started and then transferred to a different HS.
@@marcushennings9513 There is only one school in that city. To go to another school, he'd have to move or commute, that's not likely to be able to be required due to education mandates about how far you can be required to commute.
The level of negligence now a days is completely ridiculous and unbelievable.
They are not being negligent. Expelled or not, if that student wants to shoot up the school, he will.
I have no child, but if I had a child attending any school with this matter I would feel the same as those parents
The true negligence is on behalf of the parents who raised their children to be bullies that now, faced with the consequences of their actions, are fearful and paranoid.
bruh what
Had a student of my kids in the 4th grade who would fight and threaten to bring guns to school. The school refused to do anything. We got a lawyer and went to the school and demanded the child be expelled. We had 15 other parents involved.
I mean, it feels like the school is being kind of negligent in your scenario. This news segment is the opposite. They expelled the child for a year in reaction to just a list of names titled "kill list". I think your schools are very different.
@@MrBrock314 Not really, no
If the kid is undergoing therapy and his or her family is working together with the school to ensure safety measures are being met then let the kid be. Kids are going to say and do some dumb things. Punishing them for life is not the answer.
Shiiiiiitttttt. We'll be right back here when he ices his parents for not giving him toys
He’s gonna get bullied hard imo. Give him a year or two back in the school…
The thing is the things you listed are not reliable schools routinely do not have enough counselors to keep up with children’s mental health so this child could easily have their parents say they’re going to therapy when they are not.
What gets me is how many people missed the fact that he made the list in middle school as an 8th grader. He was expelled from Connor Middle school. He is now in 9th grade attending Connor high school. Apparently so is the rest of the kids he was in 8th grade with. So these parents have no fight here. He was allowed to go back to the school he was expelled from this is a completely different school! How did no one get this when they watched this video. The parents can be concerned but they are wrong for acting like the school did something wrong when they didn’t smh
His* ... Let's not pretend it's a gender neutral problem we got on our hands.
As someone who is in the older half of Gen Z, born in the early 2000s. "Kill List" were kind of a normal thing amongst people who were outcast or bullied back when I was in elementary/middle school HOWEVER with everything that has been going on recently I understand the fear/anger of having that student back in the school. I think they should work to find an alternative for him. Another school or online schooling because even if he isn't a real threat now. He will most likely be more of a target (assuming the students know his identity) and his isolation from the other students will probably be worse, which could lead to him ACTUALLY endangering others or himself. Not only that but if they aren't gonna fold and bring him back anyways it should be there responsibility to watch over him and keep in touch with his parents/guardians and make sure he has no access to any type of weapon and he should have mental health evaluations every month or so. And I don't like how the comments aren't taking into consideration that he may have been bullied. I see too many comments basically saying he should have no options for any schooling ", baby these are 8th graders, ANYONE who has been to a middle school knows (regardless of if you were the bully or the victim) how brutal those kids can be. He does not deserve to have his life ruined because of somebodies sh*tty kids and because of an emotional outburst on paper. People just need to start watching these kids like they are supposed to.
Same! 97 baby here and let me tell you something. As a student who was bullied quite frequently having some sort of list like this was normal even for those who aren't bullied. Whether it be a physical list or mental. I'm sure we all had one. Even if it wasn't necessarily a "kill list" but even a hated list. It's sad that this is what our country has come to. The student was most likely evaluated by multiple psychologist in a psych ward before even being given an approval to return. I once posted some of my favorite song lyrics to facebook (which were more on the sad side of songs) and some of my friends thought I was depressed and told a counselor at school. I was not allowed to return without being evaluated from a psych ward and given a letter that I could return. I had to speak to 2 different psychologists at the hospital. Literally over posting lyrics. I'm sure this kid had to speak to much more, but I do agree he should be put to a different school so he could have a fresh start. Those students that know him will spread that information over the entire school (given now this is high school im sure not all the students know him) This is just gonna make him a target of more bullying (assuming being bullied is what caused the list) or isolate him so he's just lonely.
The school board does not want to pay for this child to go to the appropriate school.
I can’t imagine how he will be treated by these other students and that being said how that will affect him. He needs to be homeschooled
How do you propose he be homeschooled? And how’s that fair to him?
@@0IIIIII We don't want people like that to come back to school. There's a reason why he was expelled.
@@Kagetora- So what? He should die? His parents should have to quit their jobs and become homeless to teach him?
Why not just suggest killing the child? It is more honest than your hand wringing. You're basically saying there's no place in society for him, so he should die.
@@Kagetora- That's exactly why they should come back. Because you need to remove the stigma off mental illness. Therapy and treatment are what he needs, not isolation. We isolate those that prove themselves dangerous by their actions. But even murderers get probation eventually. This kid killed/harmed no one so his probation would be a lot sooner. Socialization and therapy will prevent him from becoming dangerous. Isolate him and you nearly guarantee his turn to the dark side.
Better question why does a student have a killer list. What has been happening to this student at this school that he has a kill list to begin with.
I think the parents that are uncomfortable with this should find alternative ways to educate your children and stop paying school taxes
The names on the kill list should be made public knowledge.
Have the kid do remote learning or send em to the nexy district over. Id be pissed if my child went to that school and the school was making these kinds of decisions. Its on them if that kid shoots up the school now.
Hell no
Now if there’s a school shooting at that school, we all know who to blame
I had one.
They never did anything about any of the issues no matter how far it went and even went as far as to try and instigate the issues.
I still remember every person on that list almost 10 years later.
Everything u hear is true, lol. When I was in HS the resource officer was harassing my friend, I told him maybe worry about real threats like kids that want to blow up the school n crap (this was a couple years after columbine). The resource officer told the school I threatened to blow up the school and I was expelled. I was only let back in when my mom fought the school board and had a huge meeting with everyone involved. Her point was where would my child get explosives and how would she know how to make a bomb. This was pre-internet. I was let back into school and graduated. The resource officer was caught sleeping with a high school girl and he's in prison.
Thats a guy who peaked in highschool and never wanted to leave
Yeah.... he may have went to prison.....but he won't be leaving it.... alive
I think this is crazy. This kid could easily go to another school. by common sense, if he made a “kill list”, that actually means he wasn’t comfortable or greatly disliked that school. Why put him back at his trigger point??
The parents of that kid are responsible and negligent
He did go to a different school. Listen to this again. The title is misleading and the parents are complaining about the kid going to the same high school as their kids. His offense was in Middle school. Two different schools. Same kids
Okay so, I can give info bc I go to Conner! Basically, we have an alternative school for kids who misbehave called ACE. He went to ACE for a year, but now it was time to go back to public school and Conner was the only option. Also, I know the parents, their other kids are fine, sometimes it truly is the person. I'm not 100% sure on this but rumor is that majority of the people on the list bullied him, so I'm going to assume that might be a major cause. If you have any questions let me know :)
@@muffinman5890 what do you mean “he was the only option”??? Like he was the only loser out of “ACE” who could be chosen to go back to school?
I find it weird that his parents even the kid decide to go back to school. Why not keep him homeschooled for safety and to keep him from getting “bullied”??
@@gl3936 They mean there's only one high school in town. There aren't other schools to pick from other than ACE. So, either he goes to Conner or he goes to ACE. His parents probably don't want him at ACE and having "served his time" so to speak, they want him back in regular school. It's debatable whether the school district can force him to return to ACE forever. My guess is that would be illegal as long as he's meeting certain conditions. You can't make random policies for individuals so if other people from ACE come back after a year in similar circumstances, the school district would be obligated to stick to their policy or else it's discrimination.
@@gl3936 You sound like you made life lots of hell for the downtrodden in your life time.
YOUR the Parents! Show them who is in charge! Keep all your kids home. After just one week the School Board will be removed.
Don't send your kid to public school?
That simple.
Every day I am more and more convinced that I should never have kids in my lifetime.
don’t not in this world
There are many reasons not to have kids but this isn't really one of them. To save money, because you don't want to take on the responsibility of being a parent, because it's potentially better for the environment, etc. But fear of losing them isn't a reason. Because you can't keep anyone - everyone is mortal.
@@MrBrock314 Nah it's not fear of losing them it's just an effed up school/education system you would have to put them through. I have many more reasons.
I don’t understand why they can’t have him be online for the first year , the second year be in a secluded room, and then slowly return the child to in person classes. Every child deserves a chance to grow from mistakes, especially if they are receiving mental health services. However, that doesn’t mean you can’t be cautious and take steps to ensure safety.
Doesn't that mean he's basically going to be isolated for 2 whole years? How is that supposed to help him? Aren't kids that do this kind of stuff usually lonely and bully victims? Better send him to another school to get a fresh start, and give him professional help, right?
This is just a disaster waiting to happen. And those idiots are gonna be held responsible. This is absolutely baffling.
Ridiculous.
alright my sister got sent home from her school for making a threat while under a mental health crisis. They demanded my mom take her to get evaluated and she wouldn’t be allowed back without a doctors clearance stating she wasn’t a danger to herself or others anymore. My mom decided to send her to a smaller school where she could get specialized learning and accommodations after she was released from hospital care. Like??? The parents need to decide what’s best for themselves
This is sickening.
302?! That's absolutely devastating!!!
The parents should be ashamed of themselves and I hope the students take a stance by making sure that everyone knows who both the child and his/ her parents are. Sick of this!
This kind of thing happens more than people realize. 🙁 I wonder if the student had an IEP, which means pretty much anything he does can be considered a "manifestation of their disability," and therefore he cannot stay expelled.
The scariest ones are undiscovered and untreated. Sadly, mental health issues are abundant in our society and the stigma surrounding those that are will follow them forever.
Oh hell no
Children like this need to have extra security around them and counseling, that means while it's scary nothing stopping them from shooting up the school if you demonize them and send them away but making them feel included and humanizing them might actually reform their negative views on society and help them become productive members of society
Yeah this is unacceptable. I come from a town that has had a school shooting and these schools aren’t prepared to go through the mass trauma that impacts the entire community. Admins are not prepared for the amount of regret they’ll have forever when something bad happens. In the 2020s, this issue CANNOT be downplayed. We could prevent so many school shootings if we actually cracked down on the issue and take action before it happens. This whole system needs to change due to our shooting epidemic.
Why not just ban guns? Instead of demonizing kids for making mistakes in their childhood?
@@0IIIIII This isn’t a mistake and shouldn’t be dismissed as one. It isn’t normal. And I hate to say it, but banning guns is impossible for multiple reasons. Even if we got everyone to agree to get rid of 2A, it isn’t a realistic solution when there are more guns than people in the US. We need a combination of common sense gun laws and getting proactive with threats if we want real change.
And also a stronger sense of community. This kid should find community outside of this particular school. It wouldn’t be healthy for either party for him to go back.
I know these are wasted words but just ban guns ughhh america
They don't want them at their school but at least send him to another school.If you truly were concerned that wouldn't be an option either. Seems like these parents should have been working over the year to change the law to make expulsions permanent.
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It’s never bad enough for our judicial system until it is.
After one year do people change? Why do parents still feel this way after one year? It's like they're disregarding the fact that it was one year. Has he changed?
Changed? He wrote a list and based on the video took no further action
@@0IIIIII The video is incomplete in that regard. He went to the alternative school (where he would've had therapy, etc) for a year.
@@MrBrock314 I hope he’s better. I used to be an angsty troublemaker, looking back, I’m of the mindset that we should be kind and non-embarrassing with kids, and not be disruptive.
They have alt school for kids like this I had to go for 2 weeks before I could return to my school when I was a kid, metal detectors, uniforms, regular classes as well as anger classes, drug abuse classes etc.
He went to the alt school for a year during the expulsion. Now he's back like is common in this kind of situation when one is expelled for a year.
They have alternate learning centers for students who cannot safely public schools. I worked as a therapist for 6 years at our county's learning center.
Disgusting. That kid should not be allowed in that school again.
This is what you always hear was said about a shooter when they first showed signs after the fact. Same story, but we're on the first page right now.
I am worried though that just outright excluding him from society and whatever friends he may have had, effectively isolating him, would worsen whatever problems brought him to this point.
He definitely needs rehabilitation and extensive psychological help before he returns, and after that keep a close eye on him.
Help for what? He didn’t commit a crime did he? Just seems like moral panic from a society who would rather demonize kids than be responsible and ban guns
@@0IIIIII He made a list of people he'd like to kill. That means he's psychologically unhealthy and at high risk of acting on that hatred. It's in everyone's best interest, including his, that someone help him defuse that emotional timebomb. Psychotherapy isn't going to hurt him. He needs to confront his demons and deal with them. He probably can't do it without intervention.
I *don't* think they should medicate a child with psychotropic drugs unless it's absolutely and immediately necessary, like if he's experiencing psychosis. I think that's immediately jumped to as the solution way too often, and it's promising that they've begun shifting towards non-chemical treatments such as cognitive behavioral therapy.
@@c.eb.1216 or, we could ban guns and let kids learn from their mistakes and do gentle, non-invasive counseling. I’m concerned with uneducated people making decisions in life, I trust the educated superintendent and so should you, for he knows better
@@0IIIIII I'm not fond of guns myself and have my ideas about gun control that would probably irk the right, but I feel acting as if just banning guns would solve the matter oversimplifies the matter and detracts from the equally pressing issue of mental health. If they're going to trial free universal healthcare, start with universally covering mental healthcare, no strings attached or hoops to jump through. Ideally you'd never need insurance to receive high quality mental health services.
Although banning guns would (mostly) remove one danger, mental illness is causing a lot more than just shootings. Just look at the news. Knives and cars are being weaponized, and we can't easily ban those. Once we ban guns, then we would take mental health seriously? Why wait?
@@0IIIIII criminals are known to follow gun laws. And surely there will be no underground way to get them. It worked for alcohol right?
I want to know what that kid's parents' thoughts were when they put him back into the school.
It doesn't really matter because we don't have any control of their actions as they're adults. It only matters what's legal.
Had something like this happen my senior year and the kid never got in trouble.
Meanwhile I get into one fight in 4th grade and I got sent to an alternative school for a year and had a down spiral of failure at school ever since
I wonder why no one looking into why he picked certain kids maybe they are his bullies and they need to check in why he felt this way his only way to explain his anger. I like no one is checking into why but just blaming it on this one kid who might been a victim of vicious bullies and he lashes out the wrong way.
People outraged with surprise obviously never seen how it works. As teachers, we know all too well how admin sends dangerous students back to class.
Their reaction is perfectly valid whether you think it’s “obvious”. I know it’s obvious and still find it borderline retarded.
It shouldn’t be this way. It’s idiotic and appalling that they’d make such a decision.
The only good news is that kids know who the kid is now and the list he made, so they know to stay clear.
Make a list of all the people on that board, and when something happens sue them. They knew and decided not to listen.
Just send him to a different school. Probably better for the kid since he won’t integrate well into that particular school after what he did.
Another reason to homeschool.
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How do you possibly say “There is no threat” as if you have any control over that
This won’t age well.
They’ll wait till he does exactly what he said he would do then send out their thoughts and prayers because they don’t actual care about keeping your kids safe.
True,but they will do that if it's any school killer.
They make us send our kids to school or we go to court and they act like they own our kids telling us when we can amd cant get them yet they let this kind of stuff happen amd our kids r not safe
Simple. Don't have kids.
It's the price of living in a society that you won't get to determine what is best in every scenario and learning to cope with that is important.
This is utterly insane
That happened in Splendora and the student was back in school 1 week later. Multiple students were on the list.
I was a teacher for thirty years. We had a student who brought in gasoline and set fire to a classroom. Was given a suspension and was back in school in six weeks.
I retired early because it's impossible for teachers and principals to govern the schools now. Students have rights and no responsibilities.
I’d be curious to know how the teachers from Conner HS feel about this. No interviews with them? As for the parents, I understand their disgust & anger. I cannot imagine. I work in education & every day I walk into my office & start seeing students, I think, “God, protect us all…”.
Why not just ban guns? Like other Western nations do? Think
@@0IIIIII I have often wondered the same thing. But the guns we want to ban are already out there. And I fear that if someone wants to do harm, they’ll stop at nothing to do the damage they intend to do. Regardless of the rules.
Not well. Many teachers have voiced that they're uncomfortable just as the students and parents are, but they don't have a say in it
@@kristenkaz3080 so we should blame the Republican Party for being culpable accomplices to the deaths of 30k+ Americans each year
@@muffinman5890 that’s just terrible!!!
It doesn't matter if it's a student, that's enabling criminal behavior.
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Man, the kid is 14. What, you just don’t let him learn anymore???
It’s very disturbing but it’s true. I can make a “hit list” but nothing will be done till I act on it. We have to be better of preventing things from happening but sadly nothing gonna change until it’s too late. Welcome to America.