MK party withdraws its election challenge case, the IEC objects.
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- The MK sent a notice of withdrawal to the electoral court on Wednesday, on Friday the Independent Electoral Commission sent an objection to the withdrawal. #MightiJamieTV
Remember our mainstream media is not independent so is not unexpected what it did
I know but they need to realize that they can’t ignore the MK party. It is a part of South African democracy and they are elected officials.
I'm here just for the science experiment in the background 😂
MK must be held accountable,you can't make accusations without providing proof in a court of law.IEC should lay a charge of slander against MK and firce them to show their "proof".
Yehlisa umoya .ubufakazi uzobubona .
strategic withdrawal..so IEC is trying to prevent MK for their future bomb...they should wait for MK
There is a rigging case pending in Pietermaritzburg, so let us wait.....
@@colinmitchell7200 The Zuma's wanted to cast doubt 🧐 on the IEC. The IEC must be vindicated from these accusations as if the electorate has any doubt of the process of the instruction it puts the Democratic process of the Republic of South Africa in grave danger.
People forget that for a men like Zuma, the struggle continues. So don't expect conventional approaches.
Good talk. I agree people must be accountable for what they say. I just want clarification with certain decisions though. What happened when Malema said "Kill the Boer". I remember a white lady being severely punished I think in KZN for making a severe racist comment. But I can't recall how they handled Malemas comment. Can you please clarify that. I fully agree in no racism in our democratic country.
Malema was taken to court over that FYI.
I agree with your analysis. Neither the IEC nor a Court of Law has the jurisdiction to force a litigant to persist with litigation that it wishes to abandon. The MK Party may be condemned in costs.
It is good for the MK Party to move and gain crdibility. It can be a strong political party that would pose a serious challenge to the sitting administration.
They aren't problematic, let's rather not assume that they are problematic. They're exercising their right constitutionally.
Your arse , they are problematic. Their demands and manifesto was the most unrealistic and absurd. It would have been like going into the past and riding a donkey, not your Merc or my Gusheshe.
When it comes to the question of how the opposition parties as a whole should proceed, I first and foremost am opposed to violence. There are ways to get your point across without resorting to that. What I disagree on, however, is who they should try to appease, cater to, convince, or rally for support from. The Labor Party in Europe, the movement which brought Obama into Presidency, the movement which empowered Mandela and his political partners, and all other instances in history where the opposition came into power to elicit great change did not happen because investors, those already in power, nor the elite of society were won over. The members of those groups almost always vote for the status quo because it is working for them. No, the way that the opposition comes into power is by being bold, by speaking up, by saying things that were previously only said “under the breath” or within friendly circles. Opposition comes into power when they have the backing and support of the ordinary people. What all opposition parties need to do going forward is NOT to worry so much about speaking nicely, and instead learn what the needs and demands are of the regular people, the middle and the poor class, and then speak directly to those issues. They need to become the voices of the people, direct, un fearful of speaking their truths, or of demanding for real, measurable change. If they can galvanize the ordinary citizens, which greatly outnumber the elite, they have a real chance in the future. It is the impetus of the people, not the politicians who bring change. Fire up your people, and there is nothing you cannot accomplish.
From what the MK has said, they are withdrawing the current papers submitted, and they will resubmit with a new strategy.
Yes that’s what they said but I think they should move on from this issue.
@UhuruUhuru I think they should move on too but not because they don't have a case but because the system will never allow them to win. What's your reason for wanting them to move on?
@UhuruUhuru but as ordinary South Africans, it is important for us to know if the IEC is compromised and not independent as it should be. There are certain values and principles that must never be abandoned.
@@ntsokolomemani3874 They don't have any proof, they don't have a case stop with all these excuses. Who rigs the election and does get an outright majority?
Jamie. No disrespect but in this case I'm against you and your thoughts of MK moving on should have been kept in your head. People want to know if this IEC is an institution that can be trusted or not. MK must be given time and space to prove their claims
The apartheid Security Police legal cost was full covered by the new democratic government, why there is a problem covering legal cost of former President?
My leadership, those apartheid crimes were committed as part of a machinery to oppress blacks. With JZ his case was one of self enrichment, personal gain. If he had made decision whilst in office in the execution of his official duties, the state would be compelled to cover his legal costs.
Mighti Jamie tv is advising MK party with a very real giant step of comment to be adhered to by the party in order to be reputable and strengthen our democracy positively moving forward more so that they are a members of parliament and we are looking forward from them to add valuable input into building our young democracy. This is positive comment to yield.
Jamie seriously my guy, you are the only podcast host who thinks
🤔 When is Naledi (News 24 Journalist) going to get her cow from JG Zuma that he promised her. He promised it to her in the interview they had when he vowed parliamen won't stand because of the MK fighting the results. 🤔
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But Jamie, we can't move on when we KNOW we've been cheated. Speculation is one thing, but we know for a fact that the results we have didn't reflect on the dashboard.
This RET stuff has to stop. It's killing SA.
There is no L to take hear we can't move on when ppls WILL are not served
Testing news reaction 😅
If south Africans feel they can DEFEND IEC, then they will have to explain what was happening during 2hours of dashboard blackout and voting irregularities (voting station changes)
That's why IEC wants to present their case in court.
What about 2014 when EFF was cheated Gauteng? Zuma was in charge
SABC and huge broadcasters got Propaganda from the Riches 💔💔🇿🇦
Where is sanef, they comes to complain when media is not handled well but when media is bais & uncalled for, they are no where to be found!
I love your analysis… you are always on point
I'm disappointed but not shocked that mainstream media ignored an important MK event like that. Whatever one thinks of them, it's not correct to ignore their event. But then again, what's new...the media is in the same boat as doctors during Covid...not reliable or of high ethical standards
Beyond the correct sentiments of IEC to affirm their credibility and cleaning their name. I think the public deserve to know the truth in this matter, withdrawal will not assist the public.
You are very correct but politics is very strategic, one is to live people guessing!
What about John steuihesuin burned th South African flag 😢
The mainstream media is not going to covert the MK events brother, ama boss wabo azo ba shaya. 😂
We can only depend on independent media and voices such as yours
Dont think the UK & SA elections are comparable, given spatial planning and layout of the land. In majority UK urban population is organised, and we will closed need to look at VD setups, and voter setups. We also have to consider the actual party contesting and so forth. But as for fast turnout, definately worth commending.
Greate analysis bro👌
MKP should learn to use the court systems effectively. When they realised that elections were rigged, they should have immediately reported their case to the electoral court to prevent any technical losses. Maybe MKP should have its legal team that will permanently work with them to maximise their chances of success in every court challenge they lodge. The DA federal council has been very successful in their litigations because they have a group of brilliant minds that assist them in putting a solid case.
In future, the MKP agencies in VD's should ensure that they capture all tallies on camera and also make sure that they are signed documents. I feel that some of MKP agencies didn't stay at the voting stations until the end to capture all the required information. I certainly agree that these elections were rigged but I think that the IEC may win it on technicality.
MKP lied. They have no evidence
YesJamie, you are right .Media must not interfere .This is not their job.
Your analysis is ABSOLUTELY on point.
They committed a legal blunder in their filing, the IEC is well on its right to blacksem them and seek punitive costs
No you are wrong when you are say that MK must move because once we allow VOTE rigging then they will be no point of voting in the future
Excellent
Thank you Ndodana, you are doing a great job and i love your channel.
Electoral court should not think they will respond to MK's case via a Memo. A public court case is required. If response on allegations by the electoral court is going to a memo addressed to MK, Then MK must withdraw the case to show seriousness it deserves
Great commentary.
Thank you.
This is the pr MK should do to gain trust to the party. They have to focus to the opposition status they took. Time for petty issues is gone really
Jammie, denying even one person their right to vote is a serious constitutional offense, iec was simply not prepared as a result eff and MK where highly prejudiced.
My credible source of information, keep't up Bhoza yami!!!
Will do brotherman.
Abo Helen ba finwer nini and the Gows….ai mina l get so bored by British Law indeed 😢
Very correct
Correct my son. Thank you.
You're very correct, 💯 % right. They MUST cover the MKP
Jamie, what is your take on the coalition of ANC, DA and IFP in KZN because I think this is part of the issues that might cause MK to persuade a case like this. However, I do understand that the party has to move on. In a long run though what will happen to the people who voted the MK especially in KZN? I think MK should get it power back, right now they have no power and yet people want the party in power.
2004 IFP had more votes then Zuma played a role to see to it that IFP loses like MK lost 2024
@@aarongunnz9513 I’m not sure if I’m following you. Kindly rephrase your response and use conjunctions as well. Thank you 🙏🏽
@@sanelisiweradebe8522 ANC came from back door of coalition in 2004 elections. IFP had more votes then ANC bribed UDM to form a coalition. Zuma was instrumental on the demise of IFP. Today he's crying foul MK getting more votes but the province is led 18% party instead of them MK with 45%
You are quite correct!
Your analysis sometimes.seems worrisome and here and there , please give mk.achance
Jeez 😂😂😂
The IEC cannot clear their name! Their head director was just arrested for embezzlement at her former employer! They are fighting a lost cause. They have a black spot on their name!
You guys need to come with evidence. We will support you, but you must first come with evidence.
@@andujarpain2629 And that official is one person that's the black spot in the IEC. How many black spots are there in MK? According to your argument MK is in the same spot as MK.
Out of the issue.The issue is with the credibility of Iecl n its election result.And also don't forget,Janet Luv has got a dark cloud over her head since there strong allegations of her ringging DRC election. @@diepseunoconnell1466
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For me i need the case to continue i wanna see the evidence and if theres's no evidence IEC must do the right thing to MKP
You are 100% correct
Keep up the sober unbiased cover of events brother👍
IEC it's not over.
Why would IEC exc take photos with USA ambassador.nabo are clowns
Bhuti do yu believe this apartheid Gnu many of us numbers of people come out what a u saying bru
I don’t understand. Can you rephrase
@dinganindlovu seems to ask do you believe the DA received second highest votes after so many black South Africans came out to vote in their own interest😢
I agree with you we have to move on,not all of the battle you have to fight some are better ignored
You like the lab bro... always your video's background :)
That’s because the show is called “the dissection”
@@UhuruUhuru 🤔
I applaud you for picking up the faults of some parties and also giving them guidance on the way forward. We must be supportive of the politicians as they are attempting to govern our country but it is people like you that can set the records right.
To MJ's questions:
1. What do you think about the MK's withdrawal?
2. What do you think about the fine that was levied on the MKP members ?
3. What do you think the MK needs to do going forward to be taken seriously, as a political party in South Africa?
4. Do you think that South Africa needs a constituency based system?
My take:
1. I think the MKP made a good decision to withdraw the case. I personally think it was unnecessary in the first place as it seems like they don't have the necessary evidence, additionally this has in a way painted them as a party that comes to the scene just to make distractions.
2. I think the levies were only fair, although the message conveyed by the members might have assisted in the legitimization of the MKP to be able to contest on the elections.
3. I think that the MKP has to, by all means avoid the stigma of being associated with violent retaliation as that will create a sense of instability and a lack of trust amongst electorates as well as investors. They also need to clear the notion that the MKP is a tribalist party, (although some of us understand that all political parties have their base).
4. I'm not quite sure about adopting the constituency based system, I feel like it would confuse a lot of people.
MKP is a family business it is all about President Zuma they are nothing without President Zuma EG: EFF
MK just realized that they scored an own goal bagwaze ekhaya 😂😂
😂😂😂😂, asazi sizobona , nanka amehlo ekake umbombo...
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Bukhona ubufakaz .sesingahabula .phela thina ngoba sijabula ngisho sibulawa
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"Attackers and Advocating constitution abolitionism" is not true. Seeking to change the constitution is not tantamount to abolishing it. Unless perhaps I am missing your point?
Viva 💚🖤💚🖤 Viva Nxamalala. Msholozi!
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Your opening line is very top class ....I think you should ask you audience to donate or get a petrion so that you can get guys to cover those events
they must deal with technicallity and produce evidence beyond reasonable doubt
Nice and clear Content🎉❤
Thank you 🙌
Good move MK withdraw the case, but please advocate for south African constitution amendments and rescue ANC, I miss the genuine ANC
What do people mean by saying rescue the ANC, that party is gone nobody can do anything about it. No amount of campaigns can change that
Its a good move because...?
@@rabbinick8989Absolutely
The genuine ANC died in 2007
@@aarongunnz9513it was buried in Polokwane and only the ignorant will only think it died recently
Jamie , just in case : "Mayhem is a violent and rowdy disturbance" , or maybe :"Mayhem is a Norwegian black metal band formed in Langhus in 1984."
Mayhem is a computer chess engine.
What about the dashboard that off for 2 hours
It depends on what you understand by the public
You could be correct on a opinion of moving on,at the same time you MK voters are not satisfied after putting a big fight worst with the situation and manner in which KZN government were set up MK not given a right to choose who to work with as a matter of principle similar to national level and Guateng.
It might be good to accept and move on but if done recklessly it can tamper with trust and reliability to leaders.
I think the MKP should continue with the case. I want to see something 😂😂😂😂
Withdrawn Provisionally
Once again, this looks like a rerun of what happened in Nigeria. The lawyers there brought evidence of ballots being found burned and discarded, some voter’s registrations not being found even though the voters had evidence of having registered, which stopped them from being able to cast their vote, some voting stations remaining closed for a large part or the duration of the voting session, assigned voting sites being moved at the last minute to far away locations…ect. In Nigeria, boxes and boxes of evidence were submitted to the court, but in the end it was decided that although there were proven “irregularities,” the court didn’t feel that they were enough to constitute the unsettling of the election. In that case, just proving vote rigging wasn’t enough. In light of this, I can understand why the MK party would want to try to have an airtight case before presenting all of their evidence. I can also understand why the opposing party would not want to grant them time to do so. Rush them now and get crucial evidence thrown out on technicalities is an effective game plan.
Mighty Jimmie!
My input is that MK can't be forced to present their own case. They have identified the loopholes on their documents that can weaken their case. Remember if the noticied that they must correct before the court tells them they must be allowed. At one of our VDs in my area, a ballot box was opened somewhere outside the VD and was reported only after the Party Agents saw that. Now it tells you that something was not right. I fully agree with the move of MK
Abahambeeee , Hambaniiii
You must also cover the diffenet departments and compliment the leaders for making changes for the better. That will motvate them to do better. I listened to an article on the minister of environment and his plans for the future are fascinating where all linked departments will be forced to work together for the better of all South Africans.
Was the media invited?????
Hi Jamie, I disagree with you on two fronts:
1. No way can we compare the developed (United Kingdom) with the developing (South Africa) when it comes to voting. UK is a democracy for several hundred years, and we are only three decades long. The infrastructure roll-out for the two are also vastly different. Of the said 65 million in UK, only 10 million is rural (15%), while Mzansi's stands at 61 million overall, with around 19 million rural (31%). On top you bring in the literacy factor, just incomparable.
2. The MKP came out guns-blazing accusing the IEC of the irregularities they can't prove. When they applied to the Electoral Court, their very advisors were there, or did they just approach the court without consulting with their lawyers? Withdrawing their case only to institute it later, surmounts to disruption of the highest order, either they withdraw in totality or let it stay on the roll whilst they gather themselves, as they claim to have a strong case.I think they are bluffing in my opinion. I do agree with the IEC that it's their integrity at stake here, and so should be able to clear their name, as we are around the corner for the LGE.
You're right, let MKP just move on like everyone else. They want to force their pipedream of 2/3 majority on the entire population, which they couldn't even achieve in their own stronghold KZN.
But there are people who didn't vote at their stations after spending the long day standing for hours.They also have lawyers who advise them in these court cases.
@@fikileroma1478 Yes because they were informed about regulations that change,but they didn't obey to it, and now they blame IEC. And if you take that Into account, MK would be in a weaker spot, because that affected a lot of other parties as well,and they didn't want to vote for MK. So why cry?
Media shows that they are biased towards MK P and it's none of our business their narrative towards Msholozi
😂Trurly a clown world
The MK must think before they leap. It is crucial to help South Africa back on track again. We don't need people who are not meant to be in government. We must build and it is not easy as things have deteriorated. We must not allow any Vorm of corruption. South Africa is for all.
We can't move forward, without any disclosure of the list of state assets before 1994,...where did they go?...updating the constitution...why do we have black politicians who are billionaires??...as long as the voice of the people is suppressed,...the more they ask questions....the country needs honesty......
You're hundred percent right on the matter of the media not covering MKs events. It's So very deliberate that they do so all of them are captured. We only depend on you guys on RUclips n TikTok as you do a better job than the mainstream media
The media has been intimidated and told not to use the term GNU. No party should tell the media what to say and not what to say.
But it’s not a GNU. If I call bananas plantains do they become plantains. It’s a multiparty coalition but the unity element is not satisfied considering the history and context of the academic usage of that term.
Any thing to do with Zuma is trash
Are you calling 2.3 million South Africans ,who voted for trash also..???!!!don't do that....
Substantiate,very and elaborate.Please help people like myself to understand or learn.
Who advised them to withdraw? I
They say they are still working on the case.
Zuma will be in prison the courts don't care ahoot
Ola Mighti J
Dali misled them and made some money
What are the scientists behind you inventing, a cure for "clever-blackness"?
A cure for amahlongandlebe. 😂 what’s your grievance
We need an independent media 😊
IOL is independent media
Hai man it was strategic planning session guys.. not that it was elective conference or national conference.. it was their strategic briefing as they prepare for Parliament..
I think it should still be covered. Send one journalists. Get some comments and feedback. That’s the role of the media.
They were supposed to be more careful about their credibility when complaining about elections was done in the first place, but what did they do, turned a blind eye and declared results.
Mk is only exist in kzn,
Cant wait for advocate Skakane to join the band wagon... Black legal council versus the state
And Eric Mabuza
IEC should add more VD's and double up the current VDs
There you are wrong, they must admit that, there is no rigging and apologise for wrongful accusations or be brought before the court. They just want media coverage...
I dont think they will do that but withdrawing the case is still something that allows them to move forward
.I like the new MK political strategy, of taking everything to courts, it's more effective than burning tyres on the street....
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Discrimination not acceptable
IEC must not stop pushing for evidence to be submitted
They are too forward 😂
ZUMA is clever,what if this is the wey to speed up the hearing,never undermine the chess player,the chess player is very clever,he can act as if he's losing