Freedom Under Law Challenges Dr. John Hlophe's Nomination.
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- The leader of the opposition and leader of the MK party in parliament Dr John Hlophe has been nominated by parliament for the Judicial service commission. He faces a legal challenge from Freedom Under Law a nongovernmental organisation which holds the view that his appointment is irrational. What are the legal issues and ethical issues that arise. #parliament #coalitiongovernment #gnu #MightiJamieTV
The issue of ethics when it comes to Dr J. Hlophe must be weighed against the following to be fair: Is it ethical to have former apartheid MPs serving in the democratic parliament? Is it ethical that Pres Cr17 continues to serve with a cloud of Phalaphala on his head? Is it ethical that State Capture accused MPs continue to serve as MPs despite the SC findings? Is it ethical that MPs serve in portfolios they have no clue about with some of them having no post matric education? Is it ethical for a former convict to serve as an MP? Just asking for a friend.
Not just a former apartheid member but the one who masterminded the death of blacks for mere being blacks!
😂😂😂 please tell the friend the answer is NO!
Exactly brother,so true.
Is it ethical to have a president who admitted to having used money to buy his way to the highest seat in the land
All black ANC racists in cabinet have no skills, is incompetent, unintelligent, incapable and illiterate with 30% pass rate certificates. The DA members in GNU government are skilled, capable, responsible, competent, educated, qualified, littered, and have passed their academy with 90 to 100%. All those grades of Hlope must be investigated.
On what basis do these NGOs think they can override the will of the 14 percent of citizens who voted for the MK to represent them in a constitutional parliament.He is protected by the very same constitution which they purport to safeguard.these hypocrits should be ashamed of themselves.
He was my lecturer in Law. I have never met a professional like him.
The judiciary is captured. When it's Zuma or anyone associated with him, the judiciary hits hard
Definitely agree with you and we should allow the MK party. To make their agenda
The controversy is not caused by Judge Hlope, but the JSC itself.
The JSC was very wrong in its findings.
Add to that Ramaphosa hired Zondo in spite of the JSC's recommendations
Thank you Jamie for being one of the only critical thinking journalists thinking in S.A. Thank you sir
All the way from UK …. I love your unbiased analysis
Thank you.
The EFF (Floyd) came prepared. Taking no hostages. 😮 An astute politician. As for MKP still needs more time in the barracks. The Frontline needs people who speak clearly and with conviction. I appreciate the rules based argument versus the emotionally charged moral argument.
Pro-apartheid legislators in DA n VF+ are still in parliament, morality?
No fear no favors, thank you Jamie....
Does brytenbach beyond reproach when she was found guilty of misconduct while she was with NPA
The saga of DA double standards continues!
It's not a serious issue when it's at the side of the white supremacy and we must just turn a blind eye. On the black side, we crucified. White previlaged is a serious challenge in South Africa
Top Analysis my brother, breath of fresh air, mainstream media has gone rogue
Brilliantly summarised, congratulations.
Sazesalinda siyi CouWntry for your excellent and much appreciated content Mr Jamie✌️
Now I am feeling the pressure 😂 but I am grateful.
I kept on checking yazi, izolo… thought ama notifications awasebenzi 😅
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Kanti wenkabi uyasizwa isizulu umuntu elokhu ezihlupha@@UhuruUhuru
I recorded late. Hope you enjoyed the episode.
Good explanation and I think Dr is a good man to be there
Brilliantly analysed. Thanks Bafo
Balance, informative, well articulated ,Big up brother.
Good explanations
Your passion is something else brother. Big up💯🙏
I must say what Floyd said really hit the DA so hard, we appreciate the opposition forces, these ANC, DA, & ACDP, FFP we really going to misled the country 🚮
ANC have logs, MK have stick, DA have the whole forest 🤣🤣🤣
Wow, Jamie.Well said and so profound.🙏🙏
Brilliant and incisive analysis as always. You help me learn and understand that this is a world of human frailties. There for the grace of god go I.
My leader Mighti Jamie, im already waiting for this excellent episode. Dr John Hlophe our MK President in waiting going to dismantle things in that commission, what a combination, him n julias its gonna be lit... 😂
He failed to dismantle the so called racism in the western cape
The NPA fired Glynnis Breytenbach is fine and Judge Hlophe is not? What hypocrisy! And yes, he is still Judge Hlophe in my book because his position was meant to be forever
I can't wait for the Phalakhala issue to be retabled in parliament. Ngcobo recommendations must be implemented
Wenzeni u Ramaphosa!
@@eliudnkuna3930 He sealed the CR17 docs. He accumulated riches through sale of abantu abamnyama. He has destroyed at least two important democratic institutions (PP & Judiciary).. Need I continue?
@@sabelwesihlengcobo1215 continue and after u a done tell us about the semi "God" Zuma
@@eliudnkuna3930 We spoke about what Zuma did when he was in office. Why is it still relevant? We are in this administration now.
@@sabelwesihlengcobo1215 it's very relevant because people like u sees all the wrongs that are committed by Ramaphosa but Intentionally fails to see the wrongs committed by Zuma
That is very good Jamie you are very right about this nonsense of gross misconduct. JSC is flip flopping.
You are doing well Jamie. DA need to do a reflection on their nonsensical behavior and their lack of leadership skills and intelligence 😊
he is in the system. give him a chance to show his mettle or show himself up.
Well said man. Thank you for your objectivity.
How is the country going to change that because the president of the governing party is the one that appoints the Judges
Manje imaphi LeTarven of dzingidzingi my bru 😂😂
drop location 😂😂😂
Jamie, you are on the money sir. Our MP' the DA to be more specific, must be fair in using their moral compasses. They need to be objective and not racist. I am looking at the MP from the DA and I could swear we were back in an apartheid Era.
I have never seen so many white men gathered in my life and presiding over a black majority country.
We've a huge predicament in SA .people who has abilities to push us on a right direction they being taken out.... we still have a long way to go
Congratulations to Dr John Hlophe 💚🖤💚🖤💚🖤 SESTHEMBE WENA BABA!
What's the use of this JSC when the president can nominate anyone without considering the JSC recommended candidate 😏
Analyst is Onpoint
We know from the facts that, telling the truth in Africa is a revolutionary act. Particularly from the colonailiser. Dr Hlophe is one always guided by the truth not by his feelings or opinions.
Then these ethics & moral standards bathetha ngazo must apply to everyone kaloku Tyhi!!! Because a lot of people who are in that Parliament, who are leaders, ministers & MP's have questionable standards too. If we haven't used these erhics & standards and morals for others then why single out Dr. Hlope because the same standards should be used for all.
Say that again
His PhD is not from where 🤣
Great summary 👌
Well done bro in your analysis big ups
Thank you so much
I love your analysis. They are better than anything on this platform anf beyond ❤
Good content, i just watched you today and im happy
The phalaphala saga is long burried forget about it 😢
Jamie, how Dr Hlophe has to punished twice.
That would be double jeopardy.
You are absolutely right about the hypocrisy, but what aboutism is no justification for defence of Hlophe . the fundamental foundation of democracy is the independence of the judiciary and surely any violation of that principle counts as gross misconduct. His impressive academic qualifications are no argument in his defence. In fact they aggravate the position as he should have known better.
Who is the guy representing MK in parliament on this matter? He's weak. They should have asked any of the EFF members to present for them
Delusional thinking, the man selected is the most law scholar qualified them all selected in that committee.
You clearly don't understand, MK has Julius Malema on the same committee.
I meant to say Malema is representing EFF on the same committee. Political parties nominate their own representatives.
@@amandanxumalo2007 sorry for not understanding!
@@amandanxumalo2007 Hhawu kodwa Zwide kaLanga, I'm refering to the guy that is in this clip reading an MK statement. This understanding Shandisi has levels nhee
Yes the outcome was too harsh and unfair.
Transformed judicial in the Western Cape
Your analysis is always so educational, thank you.
Judges still had a freedom to reject Hlophe s approach.
Wow! It would be interesting to invite Freedom and the Law Kruger or Kiegar in Afrikaaner language to your platform. Dr Hlope's attorney was on Imaan show the other day. He say Kruger was found guilty and asked to apologize to the good doctor, he didn't. Doctor death is still practicing medicine. How come? Can you invite anyone from freedom and the law to come explain so we can understand what ethics mean. Dr Hlope never killed anyone that we kno of
Dr Hlope is coming in not as a former judge but as an expert of the law more qualified than all judges put togather
Courts are using his judgements and writings as we speak.
Thanks for the great analysis; balanced articulation of issues to be considered, well done
They just want to us to be garden boy n kitchen girls, not judges
Jammie rocks 🎉❤
I thought am the only one who noticed this thing. Now I can go sleep nicely knowing there is intelligent man who see things as see sometimes
The courts brought the judiciary in to disrepute
The politian put the law of this courty at risk. Dr hlope was remove at panel jsc because of wrong doing .
Very good unbiased analysis. Kudos to you 👏
Once more well done Jamie! A very balanced, educative and insightful presentation and reflection. Keep up with Good Work. We 've been missing such great stuff.
Much appreciated!
Also speaking on others' ethics does not take away from Dr Hlophes actions, now is the time for him to face the music, let him face the music.
Mandala came out of prison to hold a president Makenze also came from prison the man never server time in prison so to me I dont see anything Rong with it.
Context is important…
Why DA (5 min) and MK (4 min)?
It's reckoning time people. Zuma "a different animal" keeps giving it to the ANC and we are beneficiaries. VIVA MKP!
I can point a finger at you while I'm not perfect myself. 2 wrongs don't make a right
Ah why are people surprised? It is a given that until all those deployed Cadre's are nullified and removed form the positions will we have a chance of getting the promised better life for all!
direction of the zondo commission
Real.
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The is no way the DA nominated him 😅
I will agree with the appointment of Dr Hlophe based on merit as ordinary citizen as he was stipped of Judge title. He was demoted to ordinary citizen equally to any one in the house as a member of parliament and he is duly elected to represent MK with atmost credentials that required in JSC.
This is my first time on your chanel, I enjoyed watching this although I think your take was very subjective.
First one
MY QUESTION IS: IF IN A RACIALLY DIVIDED COUNTRY LIKE SOUTH AFRICA, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MORALS WHOSE MORALS ARE WE REFERING TO?? DIFFERENT RACES HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS ABOUT WHAT IS MORAL AND WHAT IS NOT.
FOR INSTANCE I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH POLYGAMY, AND SOME PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFRICA (YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE) WANT US TO BELIEVE THAT POLYGAMY IS CRIME.
NOW IN DECIDING WHETHER POLYGAMY IS MORALY WRONG OR NOT WHOSE BELIEFS DO YOU TAKE AS CORRECT???
ANOTHER QUESTION IS IT CORRECT TO HAVE WHITE APARTHEID JUDGES SUCH AS KRIEGLER BEING IN THE FOREFRONT OF DECIDING WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC JUDICIARY'S COMPOSITION SHOULD LOOK LIKE. WE ARE WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE OF APARTHEID JUDGES SUCH AS KRIEGLER SENTENCING AFRICAN PEOPLE TO DEATH FOR FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIBERATION AND NOW THE SAME KRIEGLER WANTS TO CALL THE SHOTS ON WHO MUST BE ON THE JSC.
But Zuma doesn't want clever blacks
Both Adv from DA have three previous court cases . She was accused by NPA of tender rigging, defeating the course of justice and giving a docket to the defendant.
She was acquitted in very controversial circumstances.
10:56 haha undertaker, how i look after leg 🦵🏽 day, vuka like the undertaker
There’s no University in Dzingi-dzingi 😂😂
racism nothing else is opposed to Dr Hlophe's appointment.
Weeeeee Congradution Dr Hlophe start going to church and thank the lord.
Hlophe is not a judged, he is an ordinary credible and competent member of parliament
Mhmmmmm this FUL, raises eyebrows va
The confusion constitution is doesn't mean that it's unite leaders and whatever we division and protect others for me it's lotst it's taste special when it comes to black people
Floyd, what a seasoned politician 🔥🫡
Dr Hlophe is VALUE to that JSE we need his WISDOM he has a lit to offer.AFRIKA Needs him
He was found guilty of gross misconduct by a competent tribunal. Optics alone he needs to go - it's morally wrong for him to be in there. I'm sure we can find other black people who are very qualified to do the job. We can't be so desperate as to put up with tainted people especially in such important and powerful positions in our country.
He did nothing wrong but it was politics which made him impeached, as DA doesn't like us as blacks but the fact is whites are not educated😂 Dr Hlophe has doctorate in law, he studied at Cambridge overseas so they better keep quiet because they don't have what Dr Hlophe has.
You are delusional ... being involved in apartheid government, was certified by UN, as crimes against humanity is a gross misconduct in this country...we have people who are ministers in that parliament, who committed crimes against humanity...
But no one is saying anything because they were democratically elected by their 6000 voters...
People know why Dr Hlophe is hated by these racists, the same thing happened in UCT to DR Phakeng...you need to wake up!!!
It is unethical and immoral to have people who painted their face black to serve in parliament, it is unethical and immoral to have a party who's federal leader calls black people dogs in parliament, it is immoral for a Minister who hold a grade 12 certificate only overseeing highly educated people working under him....
It was a political decision since Dr Hlophe wad a progressive pro-African judge
Really. Unthini ngo brytenbach
I knew it that IFP was going to vote with their masters.
I want Chiefs, Kings & Queens be of high value in parliament than judges 😂😂😂!
😢uZondo is still serving leyo demoni
It's happening guys ..it was very good the MKP went to parliament....they told u the constitution needs to be amended
This is one of the most intelligent people of the world.Looks like Hlophe is a hardworker also.He deserves this job. He didn't buy these papers he studied hard for them Let us not undermine this Judge.(" Highly qualified person being discriminated and undermined it is not possible.) Keep it up JSC ( ". head up and ears closed". don't listen to bad news about your name.You are just intelligent(. congratulations Dr.Judge Hlophe. Here you are.
Racist parliament of Helen Zille will never stop Dr Hlophe to be in the JSC.
Yes dear 😂 in DA there are a lot of dropped out school😂
Most of them great r😂
Absolutely with Caps
So happy for Hlophe man
President Jacob Zuma makes an accusation against the judiciary of this country, he claims that the law in South Africa has eyes, the laws are applied differently when it is Zuma. Now the DA and those aligned and funded by the Billionaires in this country, these people want us to now operate by subjective morality and opinions. They clearly say the constitution or the rules of parliament do not prevent Dr Hlophe from being an MP and serve in these portfolio committee. However even if that is the case we must now treat Dr Hlophe differently because the white people don't want him to serve. We have people who supported and served in the apartheid government in parliament today, apartheid was declared a crime against humanity by the UN, meaning those who supported it and served in the government which perpetrated it are criminals. However these people some of them arw ministers of correctional services today and no one says its immoral for them to serve in parliament and the executive. The minister of Sports arts and cultur was convicted of breaking the laws of this country and the constitution that he now vowed to protect and serve and he is rightly serving as an MP and a member of the executive because some of the people of this country voted for him to represent their interests and serve the country. But when it come to some people especially those associated with the left and Zuma different rules must apply. It seems true that the law and justice in this country has eyes. We are told by the DA that some NGO will take this matter to court, so NGOs and courts can undermine the will of the electorate? Is this democracy or something else? For the DA it seems like it is democracy and constitutionalism when the outcomes favors them but if the results of a democratic process don't favor them then we change from rule by the people to rule by the markets through the courts. The people are watching and day by day people are beginning to see clearly what is going on here.
Louder my brother. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
These white people in this country undermine us by all will.
The judiciary is not clean at all
Zondo is a friend to Rama and it is worse when they are in public.. they have showing off like school kids.
My question would be - How ethical and independent from political influence would John Hlophe be in this role, and what are the risks that he will undermine the will of the majority of the voters?
Is it ethical to have apartheid apologist as ministers
All JSC members are political appointments
The JSC doesn't appoint judges, but they interview and recommend. He is not the only person on the panel of interviews it consists of 23 members. Lastly, the panel has a chairperson. Should he go out of line, I am pretty sure he will be reprimanded.
Stop indulging those who are not fit or proper.
Time will tell... let's see what he does. Don't forget, Hlope tried to protect Zuma and for this (and other things he couldn't deny as there was proof) he was brought into disrepute. A judge should be above such things. So he's as untrustworthy as his master Zuma who ducks and dives at every turn instead of facing the music and trying to prove his own innocence. Talk is cheap - why keep running away? Too many other acting judges don't appear beyond reproach either... who knows? But the people who've voted these guys into our government don't seem to care, and neither do the parties they belong to. I don't approve of unethical people in any form of authority but such are politics eh? This government is SO liberally sprinkled with unethical, even downright criminal individuals, sigh.
Once again you've done your homework and presented us with an intriguing yet balanced view Jamie, kudos and thanks to you!
Are u sure there was proof? Come up with it
its not about not having him there but making sure that the next generation does not see anyone like them on that position 🤔
When it suits MKP Cambridge is an institution of highest quality no more White Monopoly Capital,no more imperialists and colonizers