The big three automakers clearly underestimated the power of the consumer. Paying the current outrageous price for a full sized pickup is absolutely outrageous 😳
There is no job creation in the US it's mostly workers coming back after the covid BS....or some are having to take on more than one job to make ends meet and that's counted as a job created...this whole administration in power now is BS.
I called on a 2023 Dodge Challenger RT that was advertised for $32,126 in Michigan. The dealer gave me a price of $37,764. I told him the advertised price was $32,126 and he said that was employee price. Well that’s $5,000 more than advertised and he wouldn’t come down to the $32,000 price so it was a pass for me.
@@virgilpalmer2427 They are. I told him to let me know when I can get it for the advertised price. He told me to let him know when I change my mind. So yeah, they’re still trying, cars are just sitting on lots.
@@GrapeParfait When the US dollar has been devalued during the Biden Regime as it has, then 50k doesn't go as far anymore. With that said, I'm thinking of a fully loaded one ton crew cab for 50k, but an entry level half ton should be much, much less than that.
I hate to say it but not buying America anymore Its only Toyota or Mazda for me. Far to old to take chances and be bothered with recalls and poor manufacturing.
It's not where it's built, it's the management focus. No such thing as quality/longevity anymore. Even Toyota is ditching tried and true for twin-turbo trash.
The most I've ever paid for a SUV was $6500. The most I've ever paid for a coupe is $4500. I once paid $26k for a sports car, and then sold it for $30k. I would never pay anywhere close to $100k for something disposable. Every car I've ever owned since 1995 doesn't add up to $100k total cost of ownership.
A 1500 ram going for $70,000 that’s crazy!! Not for a 1500 ram! Now a 2500 ram going for $50,000 to $60,000 was the price. Now a ram 2500 going for $90,000 to $140,00 there no way !!
My 2002 F150 Triton 5.4 with 115,000 miles is still kicking, thank God!! Piss on a New Truck.....80 to 100 is just stupid. Even if i hit the dam powerball i still would be hesitant just bc i know the dealer would still try and snowball be...nope.
Dealers are still full of sh.... "*Market Value: It does not include any taxes, fees or other charges. Due to 3rd party feed, the sales price and MSRP may differ, please contact dealer for details. * Pricing provided may vary significantly between website and dealer as a result of supply chain constraints. Pricing shown is non-binding and does not constitute an offer. Contact your dealer for updated vehicle pricing. * The estimated selling price that appears after calculating dealer offers is for informational purposes, only. Dealer pricing plus reconditioning fees on all preowned vehicles,"
If you take a truck worth 42,000 2 years ago mark it up to 68000 and then take 7000 off is that a good deal? Top that off with interest rates that sat at 0 percent for 72 months that are now replaced with 5.99 and higher rates. Jeep same thing 32000 up 20,000 in two years for same model to 52000 plus across board. Nobody is going to fall for this crap of saying there are good deals when they are just crap. When they sat at 42000 I thought that was too high so not sure what that makes 60,000.
I bought a big horn in 2019 for 42,000$. I’m in the market this year for a truck again. I have a budget of 56,000. But most trucks in this price range have a V6 and a small bed. I found a 2022 with 20k kilometers for 46,000. Gas is 2$ a liter. I’m still waiting for the prices to drop more.
The problem with all these dealer is the ‘Lot Rot’ to many thing can go wrong being park for so long and vehicle these days are not worth $50K. They are being made with cheap material and the paint it start to ‘peel and crack’ in the first year. When ppl have to work 2-3 jobs you have a problem and the government don’t want to say anything about this. Stellantis want to make the brand a luxury brand that they are not, they forgot the regular working folks, that made the Company.
Dodge ram trucks have some of the oldest tech and yet they want the highest asking prices for these trucks higher than Ford and GM. It doesn’t make sense.
That is a scam. They say prices are lower but old Chrysler and Dodge dealers have always been shady. I remember when I was going ro buy a Cordoba in the 1970's.and they were shady then. Only new car I have ever purchased from a US automaker was a 1989 TransAm and a1976 Gremlin.
In 2019 i purchased my 3rd ram ...i like the truck but lot's of manufacturer defects and from my experience with customer service is worth a big zero ...i got paint bubble all around my hood and truck only 5 years old even tho it's got 276,000 km very disappointing....
Even if you got $25,000 off that’s still not a good deal they overcharge you $50,000 and if they give you 25,000 off is 25,000 too much go back to the original price give me a 5000 discount off the original price no markup that would be a good deal so $50,000 truck For 45,000 that’s a good example. That’s a good deal.
Well there is the fact that they probably know that auto insurance is set to go up this year so mitigating affordability is in their best interests. Consumers spending should be on pause until prices drop severely in all markets. Understanding that governments like inflation to pay down debt so why should you pay more than you can afford or have too. Recessions are cyclical so are a lot of negative effects that come with them. Understanding consumer spending can be circumstantial to the essentials so hopefully it doesn’t put people in the negative.
I wandered my local Ford store lot a month ago just to see if there was something I liked better then my low miles '19 F150 XLT Sport with a middling load of accessories. While no where as bad as Stellantis crap, $60 - $75K for an F150 XLT base truck is insane when my previous '12 F350 CCLB diesel was $58K and was a fully loaded Lariat
I am new to Manitoba Canada (spent 8 years in 80s in ONT and SK for high school and university though) and really want to buy a 2023/2024 Colorado extended cab 4x4. Dealers here ask for CD$55K and up. I guess not worth it, right? Anybody any advice? (I also consider a new Wrangler 2 Dr with V6 engine but they sell a base one over 60k !! 😮)
when people do have money, they tend to act as if it will never end.& that is the EXACT reason that brings it to an end.you have to work your ass off to keep it around.a simple lesson MANY will never grasp.
Toyota in Arizona still refuses to discount Tundra’s. I made an offer on a new Tundra Platinum with the TRD option. I made an offer and they literally laughed at me. So ridiculous 😳
Arizona dealers blow , I rember back in 2008 they had 500-900 dealer fees .. I’m from Michigan, my buddy’s son was at the dealer over 6 hrs back then , I was laughing at them and told them you guys are slow and suck this deal woulda been done in under a 1-1/2 in Michigan..
Siri that’s way too much $50,000 for 52 is all anybody need to pay for anyone and those trucks I wouldn’t buy one I’m not paying no more than 45,000 if it’s specked out 50,000 that’s it
Prisoners Dilemma. First one to break forces the others to adapt in a surplus market. While Toyota and Honda currently have manageable inventories, this will reduce their premium. I wonder how much the Cybertruck hype is hurting Ram? If you are going to pay $82k+ for a truck, why not consider Tesla?
As a jeep owner, I will never buy another jeep ever again. Been jeep grand Cherokee for 12 years, car is unreliable, gas guzzler, super poor quality car. Never will I ever buy jeep .
They should give you 50% off the trucks. They jacked them up by 50 and 80% so they should give you 50% off $80,000 truck jacked up price should be $50,000 then give me 3000 off that you might have a deal lol
Bottom line is, no matter how nice, how new, or how much it costs, it will give you trouble. So what ever you purchase you had better get exactly what you want and you better not mind working on it.
lol taking loses. Marking 200% on a truck and taking off 10% isn’t quite a lose. No Ram 1500 is worth more than 30k. Plan truck with a 150k mile life. Maybe if the guarantee 500k miles but at 150k miles, 30k at most
They're still overpriced, bcz last year a big horn was 39 k and the new price on it was then $41,900 and they just adjusted the price again , and it's $42, something jerks
Even $25K off the price is still much higher than they should be priced, and the new Dodges are real cr*p! They are not selling because they are junk! Don't forget that over the last 4 years, they jacked up their prices by over 60% on average, so $25K off on a truck, that will ONLY be the "super rip off" trucks, is nothing! They need to drop prices by at least 45% - 55% to be where they NORMALLY would have been under NON RIP OFF increases!
HA! They are listing Ram Bighorns, first trim above the tradesman work truck, for $50-55K and "discounting" them 10K and expect you to consider that a deal 😂 I want that whole industry to burn.
10k off a $100,000+ truck is still an insult!!! Screw those dealers! 30% off would be a good start!
Agree
Nah, 45-50%
@@asajayunknown6290nah 60-70%
Here here
A new top of the line truck is worth $30 000.
Massive losses? They’re still overpriced.
Not sure they have changed. Even with the rebates, the prices are still way too high. Don't buy anything. Let those trucks go to the dump.
Lot rot
Consumers should stand their ground until they drop 50% because they are way, way over priced!
make it a 90% discount cause stellantis vehicles are trash
2019 prices
Salesman pulled the "I have to check with the manager" trick within 5 minutes. I pulled the "I'm out the door" trick two minutes later.
Even with the price cuts, still way overpriced. Drop them below 60K and maybe they'll sell a few
exactly
should be coming down at least $20K off the base trucks to be taken seriously. Anything less than 10K off is a joke.
how bout just keeping the prices fair and not playing games with discounts and financing games and rebates... its pathetic.
The big three automakers clearly underestimated the power of the consumer. Paying the current outrageous price for a full sized pickup is absolutely outrageous 😳
The job creation in the United States is very misleading.
There is no job creation in the US it's mostly workers coming back after the covid BS....or some are having to take on more than one job to make ends meet and that's counted as a job created...this whole administration in power now is BS.
If you're paying $100k plus for a pick-up truck and it's not making you money, it is just silly(my opinion)
I called on a 2023 Dodge Challenger RT that was advertised for $32,126 in Michigan. The dealer gave me a price of $37,764. I told him the advertised price was $32,126 and he said that was employee price. Well that’s $5,000 more than advertised and he wouldn’t come down to the $32,000 price so it was a pass for me.
They're still trying to take advantage of people, it sounds like to me....😂
@@virgilpalmer2427 They are. I told him to let me know when I can get it for the advertised price. He told me to let him know when I change my mind. So yeah, they’re still trying, cars are just sitting on lots.
Greasy
@@virgilpalmer2427 Man I’m a buyer at that $32,000 price. Sucks because I was really interested. Frostbite Blue with a 6spd manual.
Make them all pay. Don’t buy a thing.
Dude really? They marked prices up 300% during covid. They were,35-45k loaded. Now 100-150k. Get your price down to 35k loaded.
Pull back the curtain and the MSRP is set way to high from the manufacturer. $10,000 off a $100,000 Wagoneer MSRP is still ridiculous
DO NOT BUY! LET THEM SUFFER AND CLOSE DOWN!
When a 100k truck gets down to a reasonable 50k or less, then I will believe it.
50k isnt reasonable for a 1/2 ton. 20K is
@@GrapeParfait When the US dollar has been devalued during the Biden Regime as it has, then 50k doesn't go as far anymore. With that said, I'm thinking of a fully loaded one ton crew cab for 50k, but an entry level half ton should be much, much less than that.
I hate to say it but not buying America anymore Its only Toyota or Mazda for me. Far to old to take chances and be bothered with recalls and poor manufacturing.
the problem is its built in mexico...
It's not where it's built, it's the management focus. No such thing as quality/longevity anymore. Even Toyota is ditching tried and true for twin-turbo trash.
DODGE lost its ass when it sold out to Stellantis
The most I've ever paid for a SUV was $6500. The most I've ever paid for a coupe is $4500. I once paid $26k for a sports car, and then sold it for $30k. I would never pay anywhere close to $100k for something disposable. Every car I've ever owned since 1995 doesn't add up to $100k total cost of ownership.
There is not a CJDR vehicle worth 80k, not a one.
No Ford, Chevy or Toyota is worth 80k either...
A 1500 ram going for $70,000 that’s crazy!! Not for a 1500 ram! Now a 2500 ram going for $50,000 to $60,000 was the price. Now a ram 2500 going for $90,000 to $140,00 there no way !!
My 2002 F150 Triton 5.4 with 115,000 miles is still kicking, thank God!! Piss on a New Truck.....80 to 100 is just stupid. Even if i hit the dam powerball i still would be hesitant just bc i know the dealer would still try and snowball be...nope.
Stellantis can lower the price all they want, you'd still be buying garbage.
True but anything can sell….for the right price
And Ford and Chevy are in the same trash can...
In Ontario, there discounting the RAMs from 10k to 18k for 2023 models.
Dealers are still full of sh.... "*Market Value: It does not include any taxes, fees or other charges. Due to 3rd party feed, the sales price and MSRP may differ, please contact dealer for details. * Pricing provided may vary significantly between website and dealer as a result of supply chain constraints. Pricing shown is non-binding and does not constitute an offer. Contact your dealer for updated vehicle pricing. * The estimated selling price that appears after calculating dealer offers is for informational purposes, only. Dealer pricing plus reconditioning fees on all preowned vehicles,"
Even when they lower the price is still way too much
I just went to Belk department store and saw shirts for $85.00, with 40% off. Trucks should be 40%off as well.
Even $25k off still not enough . We will need 75% off to make even like 2019 and beyond.
Keep holding it will go cheaper
These are not good opportunities! It’s a joke!
I wouldnt PAY More than [ 40% of the shown StickerPrices on a new TruckCarVanSuv ] and only pay 15% on a new EV car .
If you take a truck worth 42,000 2 years ago mark it up to 68000 and then take 7000 off is that a good deal? Top that off with interest rates that sat at 0 percent for 72 months that are now replaced with 5.99 and higher rates. Jeep same thing 32000 up 20,000 in two years for same model to 52000 plus across board. Nobody is going to fall for this crap of saying there are good deals when they are just crap. When they sat at 42000 I thought that was too high so not sure what that makes 60,000.
All the dealers in my state raised the prices by 10k
I bought a big horn in 2019 for 42,000$. I’m in the market this year for a truck again. I have a budget of 56,000. But most trucks in this price range have a V6 and a small bed. I found a 2022 with 20k kilometers for 46,000. Gas is 2$ a liter. I’m still waiting for the prices to drop more.
JUNK,,,WOW amazing TY so much ,,Keep up the great work
The problem with all these dealer is the ‘Lot Rot’ to many thing can go wrong being park for so long and vehicle these days are not worth $50K. They are being made with cheap material and the paint it start to ‘peel and crack’ in the first year. When ppl have to work 2-3 jobs you have a problem and the government don’t want to say anything about this. Stellantis want to make the brand a luxury brand that they are not, they forgot the regular working folks, that made the Company.
Dodge ram trucks have some of the oldest tech and yet they want the highest asking prices for these trucks higher than Ford and GM. It doesn’t make sense.
That is a scam. They say prices are lower but old Chrysler and Dodge dealers have always been shady. I remember when I was going ro buy a Cordoba in the 1970's.and they were shady then. Only new car I have ever purchased from a US automaker was a 1989 TransAm and a1976 Gremlin.
That’s fair, shady is always been a thing from them
Just piling up cash and waiting for the right price point to emerge, Then SWOOP pay it off in CASH 🤑
Thanks
I was just at a CJDR dealership yesterday. I didn't even see ANY discounts off of MSRPs, let alone $25k.
$40k off would be a good start
Ford has more recalls than dodge/chrysler.
In 2019 i purchased my 3rd ram ...i like the truck but lot's of manufacturer defects and from my experience with customer service is worth a big zero ...i got paint bubble all around my hood and truck only 5 years old even tho it's got 276,000 km very disappointing....
15k off is still a joke.
Those 100k trucks shouldnt be more than 55k
I could not agree more. Prices need to move a lot yet.
Even if you got $25,000 off that’s still not a good deal they overcharge you $50,000 and if they give you 25,000 off is 25,000 too much go back to the original price give me a 5000 discount off the original price no markup that would be a good deal so $50,000 truck For 45,000 that’s a good example. That’s a good deal.
Probably true on that
Not many good deals where I live, Las Vegas area. $15,000 off on a truck over priced by $50,000 is not anything to get excited about.
That’s fair
Well there is the fact that they probably know that auto insurance is set to go up this year so mitigating affordability is in their best interests.
Consumers spending should be on pause until prices drop severely in all markets. Understanding that governments like inflation to pay down debt so why should you pay more than you can afford or have too. Recessions are cyclical so are a lot of negative effects that come with them. Understanding consumer spending can be circumstantial to the essentials so hopefully it doesn’t put people in the negative.
IN 2019 they were way over priced! You are are talking about Trucks that cost around $20K to produced.
That’s true. To a of market and middle man action
Not true everywhere. Some areas can't keep them on lots because buyers want the v8 and not the twin turbo 6 cyl.
I wandered my local Ford store lot a month ago just to see if there was something I liked better then my low miles '19 F150 XLT Sport with a middling load of accessories. While no where as bad as Stellantis crap, $60 - $75K for an F150 XLT base truck is insane when my previous '12 F350 CCLB diesel was $58K and was a fully loaded Lariat
What about the engine block you’re not talking about that crack engine blocks
No deal no sale👍👍👍👍😂
The joke called Stellantis
I am new to Manitoba Canada (spent 8 years in 80s in ONT and SK for high school and university though) and really want to buy a 2023/2024 Colorado extended cab 4x4. Dealers here ask for CD$55K and up. I guess not worth it, right? Anybody any advice? (I also consider a new Wrangler 2 Dr with V6 engine but they sell a base one over 60k !! 😮)
Canadian prices and discounts not USA.
when people do have money, they tend to act as if it will never end.& that is the EXACT reason that brings it to an end.you have to work your ass off to keep it around.a simple lesson MANY will never grasp.
TRUE
Toyota in Arizona still refuses to discount Tundra’s. I made an offer on a new Tundra Platinum with the TRD option. I made an offer and they literally laughed at me. So ridiculous 😳
Arizona dealers blow , I rember back in 2008 they had 500-900 dealer fees .. I’m from Michigan, my buddy’s son was at the dealer over 6 hrs back then , I was laughing at them and told them you guys are slow and suck this deal woulda been done in under a 1-1/2 in Michigan..
Siri that’s way too much $50,000 for 52 is all anybody need to pay for anyone and those trucks I wouldn’t buy one I’m not paying no more than 45,000 if it’s specked out 50,000 that’s it
They can discount them all they want but that still won’t make the quality any better
Prisoners Dilemma. First one to break forces the others to adapt in a surplus market. While Toyota and Honda currently have manageable inventories, this will reduce their premium. I wonder how much the Cybertruck hype is hurting Ram? If you are going to pay $82k+ for a truck, why not consider Tesla?
Indeed
Yep ECB , all that you said !
If prices were rational theh have over tech''d trucks. pass.
Nice
30% off and I’ll go buy one…meanwhile they can keep their trucks.
Your at Canada 🇨🇦 prices always higher there
It is and we always get hosed to the max
As a jeep owner, I will never buy another jeep ever again. Been jeep grand Cherokee for 12 years, car is unreliable, gas guzzler, super poor quality car. Never will I ever buy jeep .
Check out crosstown , St. Albert dodge and great west ?, then go to Lexus
They should give you 50% off the trucks. They jacked them up by 50 and 80% so they should give you 50% off $80,000 truck jacked up price should be $50,000 then give me 3000 off that you might have a deal lol
Exactpy
Bottom line is, no matter how nice, how new, or how much it costs, it will give you trouble. So what ever you purchase you had better get exactly what you want and you better not mind working on it.
Prices are too high. It is a truck not a house.
You would think it would be clear that the prices are way to high even with the markdowns just look at the repos being at a all time high.
They’ll get it back on repair cost 😂😂😂😂😂
Bingo
I think at 20% off people would start to get interested but that is a massive discount. The dealers would be taking losses on every sale.
lol taking loses. Marking 200% on a truck and taking off 10% isn’t quite a lose. No Ram 1500 is worth more than 30k. Plan truck with a 150k mile life. Maybe if the guarantee 500k miles but at 150k miles, 30k at most
It's a game consumer's can't win...
Sadly it not enough self resttaint
I've got a mazda 6, beautiful car, reliable, and was built in Japan. Right now, I wouldn't touch an american made car. Overpriced junk..
They're still overpriced, bcz last year a big horn was 39 k and the new price on it was then $41,900 and they just adjusted the price again , and it's $42, something jerks
The jobs created are part time! People working 2 and 3 jobs… 🙄
Even $25K off the price is still much higher than they should be priced, and the new Dodges are real cr*p! They are not selling because they are junk! Don't forget that over the last 4 years, they jacked up their prices by over 60% on average, so $25K off on a truck, that will ONLY be the "super rip off" trucks, is nothing! They need to drop prices by at least 45% - 55% to be where they NORMALLY would have been under NON RIP OFF increases!
My '04 Silverado was $24,000 out the door new from Rydell's 20 years ago...
No f@ckn way will I buy a new one anymore.
massive losses or not when these trucks hit 40k (what they are actually worth) then I will take them serious.
Why aren't all the millions of people coming into the country buying the new vehicles
Prices still too high.
They raise there msrp 10-15k then offer incentives, no thanks
Who wants a pos that the motor grenades at 10k miles. But because you changed a taillight , warranty voided.
People want sensibly priced and good value for money and these aren’t it!
As much of a lux trim level Stanlantus tries to lure you in with, they are trucks.
Greed is slapping them in the face! Knock half off and they might break even!
HA! They are listing Ram Bighorns, first trim above the tradesman work truck, for $50-55K and "discounting" them 10K and expect you to consider that a deal 😂
I want that whole industry to burn.
Down in flames. They need to get real. There are some deals that are getting closer
Lol 25 off 100k😅😅😅😅
Cheers
No way 😳
Well now I want 50% off
Sell to your employees there the only ones who can afford them ill keep my 22 year old truck
I like my 20 year old truck too
Stellantus can s u k these nuts. 50-100K for their vehicles is a rip off.
Still way over priced
Deal on the lot rodrats. Still overpriced gimcrackery.
CDJR for sale soon.
Bingo
Good luck Not me
Mopar or no car👍👍👍👍👍
who pays $140k for an ugly ass wagoneer... . tahoe better choice if you got that cash.
I want either my 70’s or 80’s Style PU without all this Luxury Crap!
For sure with just a little better metallurgy