They really thought they are an upscale brand, are they smoking dope? Who puffed these birds up at the company? Your lane is to cater to the “ Blue Collar Worker” first!!!!! This is your bread and butter, now they messed that up, smh!
Idiots. That’s their market. People stupid enough to not delay gratification. At Toyota they wanted to low ball my trade and then mark up the RAV4 prime I wanted. Told them to touch grass. Cars would be cheaper if people just wait. Look at the American domestics slashing thousands off MSRP now. They’re finally pricing their junk reasonably but it still has to go down by thousands.
They saw that they had a loyal fan base and thought if they price the new cars as luxury vehicles so they can make more money only on the name and not change anything else
@@deanvoss7098 True. But they aren't making that kind of profit on their high end vehicles that folks aren't buying anyway. Small profit on a lower price vehicle is better than no profit on an expensive one.
@@deanvoss7098 They can't make thirty grand on the high price vehicles either. Nobody wants them. Better to make a smaller profit on a lot of lower price cars than to make no profit on the high end stuff because they don't sell.
Safety and fuel efficiency standards make that tough, but not impossible. They just don't have the ambition to sell less ambitious versions of the Wrangler. The TJ was the last true Wrangler (held up to the CJ heritage) and the JK was a perfect in-between. The JL/JT is too upscale, and the most other models are just too civilian or too upscale. They f'd themselves royally.
I still think it's a ploy to force the masses to buy electric. The value of raw minerals for electric batteries have dropped something like 95% in the last year. It's all about the 2030 great reset agenda. No more fog in the way.
It’s a scam lol. Think about it , ford just randomly slashed 10k off their F150. Yet if you asked prior “they don’t have 10k in markup”. What a load of bs these manufacturers push.
@@markholubetz this. They’re moving from quantity of sale to price of sale. They’re going to charge as much as they can for each sale because they aren’t selling. Only die hard enthusiasts will purchase. I have said it before and will say it again, there has never been nor will there ever be a Jeep worth more than $50,000 and they need to stop trying to market them higher than that. They weren’t ever meant to be upscale to a luxury vehicle and it’s ridiculous to think about a luxury Jeep wrangler lol
They added nothing and changed NOTHING ON WRANGLER. Same engines, same body, same interior for the last 6 years. But the prices went from $22,000 to $39,000 in 2018 to $50,000 to $89,000. So now, people that want it can't afford it. The people that can afford it buy land rovers, BMW, or Mercedes! for the same price.
Incompetent CEOs always do the same. They promise to the board to increase profits. Their only strategy is to move their cars into the luxury segment where profit margins are higher and where they think there is less competition. Once this strategy is started it takes 5-10 years to change because you can’t develop new models overnight. Then inevitably the economy slows down, competition gets harder and their cars don’t sell. Happened twenty times before, will happen again.
They aren't laughing now because they ran out of suckers. The stuff they are cranking out is only called a Jeep because stellantis bought the rights to the nameplate.🤷♂️
They did that when they added Wagoneer as a luxury sub brand. But that has changed since the new head of Jeep was installed. The luxury branding made no sense
To be fair both the Camaro and Corvette developed to be far more capable and luxurious than in the 70s. The Corvette is a mid range offering performance of a $200k car in a $70k car. It is affordable for what it offers.
@@tomcat630HP went down because SCR went from 10-11 to 8-9 in 71, as did the way HP was measured net vs gross in 72, Optional large BB motors went away. L-46 vs L-82 is 350Hp vs 310Hp. Running an additional AIR pump takes 2 HP, a free flow cat uses 4HP. There is not as much difference as you think, or hear about. You want to boost compression by going from 76cc to 64cc using a flat top piston. Change your heads, and bam your back to 1969. Do the math.
I hired a lemon law attorney over my 2024 wrangler. Two months in and my 2.0T engine had a rear main seal leak, fuel injector seals, head gasket replaced and then finally they tossed the whole engine under warranty at 6k miles after 3 attempts and almost 90 days at the dealer. The techs just couldn’t figure it out. Don’t buy FCA. It’s a shit brand. You’re not a patriot for buying American it’s a shitbox built by union workers who couldn’t care less about workmanship as long as they get paid. Corporate is just as bad and that’s already a given.
It is not the unions it is upper management that demands that products last one day past the end of the warranty and demand engineers pull every cent out of production costs.
In my place in Canada, I can get a silverado 1500(high country - agreed with lift kit) for 110 000$ or a silverado 3500HD(gas and high country as well) for 119 000. And I need it to replace my 2019 silverado 1500 because of the stupid AFM module that has blown 2 engines already, one at 2200KM and the other now at 61 000KM. All car manufacturers are scammers. But I cannot walk.... and there is no public transportation(middle of nowhere).
I wanted one for a bit. Saw thier prices and went to look at other trucks. I ended up just fixing what I already own and didn’t buy a new vehicle. Everything is overpriced.
Easy solution…. DROP the prices 25-30%. It’s NOT rocket science. If Stellantis management is so frickin stupid then they deserve to go under. NO sympathy.
So make their vehicles from extraordinarily overpriced times 5 to extraordinarily overpriced times 3. That'll fix the problem. At least interest rates are super low! LOL. Banks are turning people away from buying dodges with perfect credit scores now, they lost sight and deserve what is happening. There are very few new vehicles made for the average family these days. Shameful.
25 - 30?!?! you nuts?! 2 door Rubi's need to be in the upper 30s - 40s! not 60's 70s and 80s! Their overpriced by at least 50% right now. and THEY"RE JUNK! from factory.
A Jeep guy here! Having CJ's and TJ's and loved it! I WILL NEVER EVER BUY A NEW JEEP NOW. Watered down, way over prized, driven by Millennials and blue haired woman with bling bling on and parked in front of Walmart. Noooooooooooo !!!
My Grand Cherokee has spent nearly a year of my 7 year ownership in the repair bay of a Jeep Dealership. I picked up the MOPAR lifetime warranty and they recently offered to buy me out of it for more than I paid for it. That’s the problem with Jeep more than anything else. No one is going to pay Lexus prices for MOPAR reliability.
I'm still driving my modified 99 TJ. Got a new frame 6 years ago because the original was rusted to shit but that was only $2K. Simple vehicles can last indefinitely if you have the skillset to maintain and repair them.
I’m so glad my 2018 sequoia is a great car. No reason to buy a new expensive car. I don’t understand why people are buying new cars at these prices. Especially those new jeeps. I see a lot of Jeep products with temp tags. There are still people buying them! Crazy prices!
I'm 6'4" and I live in snowy Boston. I've been a Jeep driver all my life. That being said, though, under the circumstances, I'm never buying another Jeep. My next car will probably be a Pilot or Passport.
I’m an off-roader, before I was one, I was simply a jeep wrangler driver. It was the most fun I ever had driving and I was a valet in high school driving high end luxury and sports cars. I really learned how fun the Jeep could be was when south Florida flooded. Then I started doing more off-road stuff and truly learned how the most fun vehicle became the most capable vehicle.
Have you never bought a car just because it was fun and you liked it? If you don’t compete in autocross why buy a Miata? If you don’t drag race why buy a challenger? See what I’m doing here.
People need to stop blaming the US/Canadian unions for fighting to get a better wage for their members. That's not what makes vehicles $100,000+++. The most expensive 1500 pick-up truck on the market is made in Mexico. How is it so expensive when Mexican assembly line workers make less than a third of what their northern neighbors make.😮
if they dropped the price below what the competition sells for, the lobby groups and unions etc would shut it down...there would be multiple import tariffs and if that didn't work, the vehicle would fail "safety" standards.....or, to compete, all manufacturers would move their production out of country and all those high paying jobs would be lost.
It's an easy argument for people who don't know or understand economics. Those people are OK with a race to the bottom for wages. Why wouldn't you listen to the people who think charging $80k for a Jeep is reasonable?
I remember when Jeeps were mostly sold to gas stations, hunters and to people who lived way out in the country in areas with lot of snow. Very inexpensive but lasted forever.
I can understand a CEO wanting to rebrand his company and make it into a luxury brand but he needs to understand what he's dealing with - IT'S A FREAKING JEEP FOR HEAVENS SAKE. Never in the history of America has this line of vehicles ever been considered luxury or even upscale in the least bit. It's usually been associated with affordability, outdoorsy and fun loving people or even serious off-roaders. Before the CEO gets his wish granted, he needs to fix the dependability problems which are currently at horrible levels and actually use parts and trim pieces that are associated with upscale luxury vehicles. This is not going to be a brand to achieve luxury level classification before 2030. No! It's going to take a decade or more of solid performance on their part and get it to the level of at least Toyota before the public views it as such.
With the car payment and insurance. And if you’re working at home. And live in city. Might be better off just taking an Uber and you still come out ahead. Getting to the point that owning a vehicle is a luxury not a necessity. 100k for any Jeep product is ridiculous
Chrysler never made anything good from day 1..electronics.rusty rockers on new pickups..why do you think the dealers are looking for master techs..lots of work being a mechanic.
The same rubicon trim I bought 5 year ago is now $30,000 more - with nominal upgrades, that were already available on the RAM back in 2017. If they want to cater to a higher end market, build a higher end product in a different trim. Oh yea - they did that, with a $80k V8 wrangler in 2021. Which is now $30k more at $110k with no additional upgrades. Nice job Jeep. You have pushed your customers to Bronco or true luxury brands.
its not just Jeep. All manufacturers have increased their prices and dropped their quality. Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Hyundai these budget brands are no longer budget brands. If you don't believe me just go look at their prices. A camry is now 35k and thats an entry level (this around the price of a hyundai tucson SUV). a bone stock 4wheel drive toyota rav4 is now 40k and is built in cambridge ontario. where a car is made is a big factor as to the quality of the vehicle. This is why vins that are japanese-made are worth more than vins that are north american-made. Im not a jeep fanboy by any means. i support japanese brands because of their reliability but i'm realizing that as long as im in north america, these cars are all the same NOW. in this present time. 10-15 years ago was a different story but now i see just as many hyundais and toyotas broken down as much as the american cars are. so will these prices ever come down? well as long as an entry level hyundai tucson costs 35k an entry level wrangler will continue to cost 50k.
At least other manufacturers have updated their drivetrains to justify their costs. I am a Jeep person. Most Jeep Wrangler owners have been repeat buyers in the past. Now we are priced out. They have to cater to a clientele that expects more for that price. The current wrangler is not much different than in 2018.
Clearly Jeep has decided to leave behind the customers that helped build the brand and focus on the wealthy...which for the most part, wouldnt be seen in a Jeep.
My wife and I bought a Grand Cherokee L Limited 4x4 back in 2021 when they first released and that cost us 55K out the door. Even at that price point it felt ridiculously high!! I was considering a gladiator once we pay off the Grand Cherokee but at these inflated prices it's just not a good financial decision. I'd rather wait a few years and pick one up on the pre-owned market so someone else takes that massive depreciation hit.
Stellantis seems so mismanaged. Idk why they wouldn’t have kept Dodge for the low range, Ram and Jeep mid tier and Alfa as premium/sport with the heaviest ties to Dodge. Why would you move all of those brands into the same pricing segments. None of the Dodge and Jeep products were originally made to be premium (exception wagoner). So they ended up expensive, cheap and unreliable for the price.
Chuck, this reminds me of GT Mustangs. My GT MSRP was $42K and had to put $20K to get my my monthly payments at $250.00. GT MSRPs go up from there, from $45K, $55K and up. This must explain why you see 10 Eco Boost Mustangs to every GT.
A "higher end clientele" ain't gonna be hitting the Jeep dealership. Stellantis needs to wake up and face North if they want to sell vehicles. I'd love a Grand Cherokee if I could get it bare bones with a tow package. I need it to pull, not climb trees. Not sure I'd consider a 4x4.
They're starting to do some serious discounts on the 4XE's and Rams in my neck of the woods. They're giving discounts that match what they did to the prices of the 2023 Gladiators in order to move them.
The dealership I purchased my 14JKR off the floor called me a year ago asked me, if I still owned it, when I replied how many miles it had, service record and condition actually sent a sales rep to my house and made an on the spot offer to buy it back for more than the initial price I paid in 2014 and I could "Get into a new model for only $50K or take the cash offer. I kicked him off my property. Car salesmen are evil crooks.
Yes, there’s the blame game. “We have to charge exorbitant price because we have to pay our workers a fair wage, and since line must go up for our bonuses, we really had no choice.”
I recently went Wrangler shopping, ruled out a new one IMMEDIATELY! Prices are flabbergastingly asinine! A new Rubicon was about $25k 20 years ago. Now… TWICE that! Unsustainable! BTW, I bought an old TJ instead for a fraction of the price. The whole auto industry is in deep, deep trouble. But honestly, I wonder if it isn’t by design. 🤔
Have a 2015 JKU Rubicon paid 45k out the door brand new now 35k miles and it leaks on front passenger side still love it but would never buy at the outrageous prices now
Every company is currently doing it right now. Building more of the luxury version of a car with all the additions on it because it makes better markup. Unfortunately the average person can't afford it anymore. They've done this to themselves.
I was in the market for a Jeep Gladiator. Liked the rugged look and it being a Wrangler turned into a truck caught my attention. Until I walked the lot, then I left, went to Toyota and bought a slightly used Tacoma TRD Off Road. 😂 These Jeep prices are insane.
I had my 2023 stolen it was a Sport unlimited V6 and I loved it. Now I could only find the Sport with a 2 litre turbo. I had to upgrade to a 2024 Sahara to get the V6. It was $12000.00 higher. What helped was Chrysler has a program if your vehicle was stolen you get a $5000.00 rebate on a new one. I applied for the rebate and am waiting for it. They contacted me and said it is coming.
No wrangler cost 140$ I’ll give it to him, gladiators cost upwards to 130+ but that’s it. Compass’s cost 47$ because they’re built in Mexico, I used to build them at my old plant, they were 20+. It’s Stellantis, they’re doing what any company wants, to make money. I’ve worked at Chrylser 30yrs, been here for every sale. It gets rough before it gets better. I retire in months, we still make good cars, we’ll be back!
My son bought a 2024 Rav4 Toyota Limited. 100% loaded for $41k today, he had to wait over a month for it to arrive. These massive prices are a joke. I bought a Lexus 2024 NX360 Premium for $51k. Very loaded in November
@@markholubetz We went to look at trading our 2020 jeep for a 2024, but all they wanted to sell me was a new 4xe. We decided to drive ours another 75,000 and see what happens@
Stellantis SHOULD be worried. They priced everyone out of the market over the past year or two. Couple that with interest rates? That equals "mess". I've watched the Jeep Gladiator prices falling. And 11/13/23, I finally jumped. Got a 2023 Gladiator Willys in High Velocity. MSRP was $56,675. I paid $39,673. That's $17,002 in rebates. Dealer matched Jeep's own rebate of $8,501. No brainer for me at 30% off? There were more available with similar deals in Kennewick WA (Lithia Tri Citities), but no more. Back to MSRP unless you want an ECO Diesel at $10k off MSRP.
Spedo and gas guage only...vinyl flooring...no carpet...5 speed manual...bench seat...single cab...no radio...no anything but heat......25-35,000 dollars......no? Im done....not doing it...ill build my old one again.
Jeep prices have actually gone up 61% in the last 5 years. And sales have dropped 34% Well done Stellantis.
Indeed, and they wonder why its in the tank
I'm sure the unwanted turbo engines and the heavy complex 4XE stuff have nothing to do with it... (sarcasm)
Unfortunately there are still people willing to pay for it???
They don’t care, they sell a lot of cars in Europe, that’s their main market!
@JoeBrea90747 Great! That mean they are planning to exist US market 😅
Jeep is not meant to be upscale
They really thought they are an upscale brand, are they smoking dope? Who puffed these birds up at the company?
Your lane is to cater to the “ Blue Collar Worker” first!!!!! This is your bread and butter, now they messed that up, smh!
100% facts
Their greed has caught up to them , high prices and poor quality !
People need to recognize
All the automakers have gotten greedy
All the automakers have gotten greedy
Basically the same vehicles as 5 years ago, but with 50% or more price increases. Who did they think they were going to sell these cars to?
Exactly, Stenlantis as not changed the tooling or improved vehicle engineering, yet they are priced as they have
Musk
They certainly aren't selling to BMW and Audi drivers. Those guys drive Audis and BMWs.
Idiots.
That’s their market. People stupid enough to not delay gratification. At Toyota they wanted to low ball my trade and then mark up the RAV4 prime I wanted. Told them to touch grass.
Cars would be cheaper if people just wait. Look at the American domestics slashing thousands off MSRP now.
They’re finally pricing their junk reasonably but it still has to go down by thousands.
They saw that they had a loyal fan base and thought if they price the new cars as luxury vehicles so they can make more money only on the name and not change anything else
Jeep needs a bare bones Wrangler 4x4. I bought one in 2000 for $14,000. Drove it twenty years till it finally died. Today's prices? Forget about it.
They can't make 30,000 profit on a $20,000 vehicle😂
@@deanvoss7098 True. But they aren't making that kind of profit on their high end vehicles that folks aren't buying anyway. Small profit on a lower price vehicle is better than no profit on an expensive one.
Roxor with Willy’s DNA?!
@@deanvoss7098 They can't make thirty grand on the high price vehicles either. Nobody wants them. Better to make a smaller profit on a lot of lower price cars than to make no profit on the high end stuff because they don't sell.
Safety and fuel efficiency standards make that tough, but not impossible. They just don't have the ambition to sell less ambitious versions of the Wrangler. The TJ was the last true Wrangler (held up to the CJ heritage) and the JK was a perfect in-between. The JL/JT is too upscale, and the most other models are just too civilian or too upscale. They f'd themselves royally.
Who the hell buy Chrysler products for $80k? Are they mental? 😂
I think they have lost it
CAD not USD
If the manufacturing costs have ACTUALLY gone up that much, THEY ARE SCREWED.
Sounds like they are trying to up the margins
I still think it's a ploy to force the masses to buy electric. The value of raw minerals for electric batteries have dropped something like 95% in the last year.
It's all about the 2030 great reset agenda. No more fog in the way.
It’s a scam lol. Think about it , ford just randomly slashed 10k off their F150.
Yet if you asked prior “they don’t have 10k in markup”.
What a load of bs these manufacturers push.
@@markholubetz this. They’re moving from quantity of sale to price of sale. They’re going to charge as much as they can for each sale because they aren’t selling. Only die hard enthusiasts will purchase. I have said it before and will say it again, there has never been nor will there ever be a Jeep worth more than $50,000 and they need to stop trying to market them higher than that.
They weren’t ever meant to be upscale to a luxury vehicle and it’s ridiculous to think about a luxury Jeep wrangler lol
It’s the supply chain and epa regs.
They added nothing and changed NOTHING ON WRANGLER. Same engines, same body, same interior for the last 6 years. But the prices went from $22,000 to $39,000 in 2018 to $50,000 to $89,000. So now, people that want it can't afford it. The people that can afford it buy land rovers, BMW, or Mercedes! for the same price.
Just makes no sense
I wouldn’t say they changed NOTHING, but for sure the price hikes don’t justify the changes they did make.
Prices went through the roof long before the strike
And pre Covid!
Not as much as they have since Biden.
@@a-atheist Ease off the crack.
Car dealers are in mega ripoff mode.
They really are
Agree
Incompetent CEOs always do the same. They promise to the board to increase profits. Their only strategy is to move their cars into the luxury segment where profit margins are higher and where they think there is less competition. Once this strategy is started it takes 5-10 years to change because you can’t develop new models overnight. Then inevitably the economy slows down, competition gets harder and their cars don’t sell. Happened twenty times before, will happen again.
Its all GREED & they are laughing at everyone who has way over paid these enormous rip off prices.
Yes I don’t want to be a laughing stock
It's not just Stellantis that are laughing at Jeep buyers. Hell, I have some beachfront property in Kazakhstan I can give them a deal on.
They aren't laughing now because they ran out of suckers. The stuff they are cranking out is only called a Jeep because stellantis bought the rights to the nameplate.🤷♂️
They could have created a new Lexus type brand for JEEP to separate the cost difference. Stellantis never understood the customer base of JEEP.
Yep
They did that when they added Wagoneer as a luxury sub brand. But that has changed since the new head of Jeep was installed. The luxury branding made no sense
Jeeps CEO gave himself a 54% wage increase. No wonder they are expensive and not selling.
Corvettes were the working mans' sports car in the late 70s. Been awhile since a Corvette has been remotely affordable.
They have engines people dream about. Jeeps? Not so much.
100k for a jeep that will fall apart in a year
To be fair both the Camaro and Corvette developed to be far more capable and luxurious than in the 70s. The Corvette is a mid range offering performance of a $200k car in a $70k car. It is affordable for what it offers.
Late 70's Corvettes only had 180-200 hp, and are not all that collectible.
@@tomcat630HP went down because SCR went from 10-11 to 8-9 in 71, as did the way HP was measured net vs gross in 72, Optional large BB motors went away. L-46 vs L-82 is 350Hp vs 310Hp. Running an additional AIR pump takes 2 HP, a free flow cat uses 4HP. There is not as much difference as you think, or hear about. You want to boost compression by going from 76cc to 64cc using a flat top piston. Change your heads, and bam your back to 1969. Do the math.
Now calculate the payments with an 8% auto loan. Madness!
Yes and that’s a real thing even with reasonable credit score
I hired a lemon law attorney over my 2024 wrangler. Two months in and my 2.0T engine had a rear main seal leak, fuel injector seals, head gasket replaced and then finally they tossed the whole engine under warranty at 6k miles after 3 attempts and almost 90 days at the dealer. The techs just couldn’t figure it out. Don’t buy FCA. It’s a shit brand. You’re not a patriot for buying American it’s a shitbox built by union workers who couldn’t care less about workmanship as long as they get paid. Corporate is just as bad and that’s already a given.
stick to the pentastar v6..stay away from small displacement turbo engines in heavy vehicles.
Yes you ultimately have to take care of your own finances and loyalty to junk is simply not worth it
It is not the unions it is upper management that demands that products last one day past the end of the warranty and demand engineers pull every cent out of production costs.
Damn dude. I got 324k on my jeep wragler 2013. The pentastar aint bad. Stay sway from small turbo engines
even that pentastar has issues
I was going to get a Jeep but I went with a Silverado because Jeep has lost its mind with prices
Yes they have
So has Chevy. They want 48k for a two door Silverado with a 2.7 L 4 banger.
In my place in Canada, I can get a silverado 1500(high country - agreed with lift kit) for 110 000$ or a silverado 3500HD(gas and high country as well) for 119 000. And I need it to replace my 2019 silverado 1500 because of the stupid AFM module that has blown 2 engines already, one at 2200KM and the other now at 61 000KM.
All car manufacturers are scammers. But I cannot walk.... and there is no public transportation(middle of nowhere).
I wanted one for a bit. Saw thier prices and went to look at other trucks. I ended up just fixing what I already own and didn’t buy a new vehicle. Everything is overpriced.
who doesnt want a car with cheap plastic interior for $85k??😂
Easy solution…. DROP the prices 25-30%. It’s NOT rocket science. If Stellantis management is so frickin stupid then they deserve to go under. NO sympathy.
It really is quite simple but CEO's only care about number 1 and then share prices
So make their vehicles from extraordinarily overpriced times 5 to extraordinarily overpriced times 3. That'll fix the problem. At least interest rates are super low! LOL. Banks are turning people away from buying dodges with perfect credit scores now, they lost sight and deserve what is happening. There are very few new vehicles made for the average family these days. Shameful.
Drop the price 50% or more!
25 - 30?!?! you nuts?! 2 door Rubi's need to be in the upper 30s - 40s! not 60's 70s and 80s! Their overpriced by at least 50% right now. and THEY"RE JUNK! from factory.
WTF are the manufacturers doing?
Losing their minds
How does the saying go….. reap what you sow!
dying
It’s not only the price, but the overall quality. If you are charging those price, take it to the next level in comfort and reliability.
No way in hell I'm buying a Jeep for more then 40 grand and thats fully loaded.
Exactly!!
Having upscale prices with bargain bin horrible quality never works.
A Jeep guy here! Having CJ's and TJ's and loved it! I WILL NEVER EVER BUY A NEW JEEP NOW. Watered down, way over prized, driven by Millennials and blue haired woman with bling bling on and parked in front of Walmart. Noooooooooooo !!!
My Grand Cherokee has spent nearly a year of my 7 year ownership in the repair bay of a Jeep Dealership. I picked up the MOPAR lifetime warranty and they recently offered to buy me out of it for more than I paid for it.
That’s the problem with Jeep more than anything else. No one is going to pay Lexus prices for MOPAR reliability.
We're just too far apart on price so don't bother calling your manager in please. I really don't want to hear it goodbye.
Yes it’s not even in the same hemisphere. Too far gone in most cases.
We bought a new RHD Wrangler in 2005 $20,000
Bought a new RHD 4 door in 2016 $32,000
Never ever never EVER again!!!
Nice
I have a jeep. Libwrty 240,000 miles and driving it until it desolves.
Run until the wheels fall off because the new ones are very pricey
I'm still driving my modified 99 TJ. Got a new frame 6 years ago because the original was rusted to shit but that was only $2K. Simple vehicles can last indefinitely if you have the skillset to maintain and repair them.
Vehicles are a depreciating asset subject to "lot rot"... 💸
Yes even if it sits at home. A truly deteriorating asset….or liability
$70,000+ for a box on wheels…gee, I can’t figure out why they’re not selling 🤦
Haha seems so appealing….not
They need to cut prices in half for these shitboxes to sell!
Yes the greedy corporate clowns are simply gouging the little guy.
I’m so glad my 2018 sequoia is a great car. No reason to buy a new expensive car. I don’t understand why people are buying new cars at these prices. Especially those new jeeps. I see a lot of Jeep products with temp tags. There are still people buying them! Crazy prices!
Unless you do a lot of off roading why would you ever need a Jeep?
Some of us live in northern climates where it snows a lot. I've pulled my share of cars out of ditches over the years.
Pointless really
I'm 6'4" and I live in snowy Boston. I've been a Jeep driver all my life. That being said, though, under the circumstances, I'm never buying another Jeep. My next car will probably be a Pilot or Passport.
I’m an off-roader, before I was one, I was simply a jeep wrangler driver. It was the most fun I ever had driving and I was a valet in high school driving high end luxury and sports cars. I really learned how fun the Jeep could be was when south Florida flooded. Then I started doing more off-road stuff and truly learned how the most fun vehicle became the most capable vehicle.
Have you never bought a car just because it was fun and you liked it? If you don’t compete in autocross why buy a Miata? If you don’t drag race why buy a challenger? See what I’m doing here.
People need to stop blaming the US/Canadian unions for fighting to get a better wage for their members. That's not what makes vehicles $100,000+++. The most expensive 1500 pick-up truck on the market is made in Mexico. How is it so expensive when Mexican assembly line workers make less than a third of what their northern neighbors make.😮
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if they dropped the price below what the competition sells for, the lobby groups and unions etc would shut it down...there would be multiple import tariffs and if that didn't work, the vehicle would fail "safety" standards.....or, to compete, all manufacturers would move their production out of country and all those high paying jobs would be lost.
It's an easy argument for people who don't know or understand economics. Those people are OK with a race to the bottom for wages. Why wouldn't you listen to the people who think charging $80k for a Jeep is reasonable?
Unions = illegal under sherman anti-trust act. Facts!
I remember when Jeeps were mostly sold to gas stations, hunters and to people who lived way out in the country in areas with lot of snow. Very inexpensive but lasted forever.
Haha that’s fair
I can understand a CEO wanting to rebrand his company and make it into a luxury brand but he needs to understand what he's dealing with - IT'S A FREAKING JEEP FOR HEAVENS SAKE. Never in the history of America has this line of vehicles ever been considered luxury or even upscale in the least bit. It's usually been associated with affordability, outdoorsy and fun loving people or even serious off-roaders. Before the CEO gets his wish granted, he needs to fix the dependability problems which are currently at horrible levels and actually use parts and trim pieces that are associated with upscale luxury vehicles. This is not going to be a brand to achieve luxury level classification before 2030. No! It's going to take a decade or more of solid performance on their part and get it to the level of at least Toyota before the public views it as such.
The CEO is European. What do you expect of him?
And yet the CEO paypack is in the millions.
They get theirs first, and then after that, the crumbs to all others
@markholubetz It's a small club, and we're not in it.
He just got a raise.
They need their bonuses to compensate them for the stress of laying off all of those employees.
With the car payment and insurance. And if you’re working at home. And live in city. Might be better off just taking an Uber and you still come out ahead. Getting to the point that owning a vehicle is a luxury not a necessity. 100k for any Jeep product is ridiculous
By design, you will own nothing and be happy.
Sergio Marchionne was keeping that company alive. After his passing, all these decisions have been made, which takes us to where we are today.
Agreed
Chrysler never made anything good from day 1..electronics.rusty rockers on new pickups..why do you think the dealers are looking for master techs..lots of work being a mechanic.
I’ll keep my 2020 JLU Wrangler Sport and it was $33000 with tax and tags out the door. Those days are long gone unfortunately
This video is making Corvettes look like a bargain
The same rubicon trim I bought 5 year ago is now $30,000 more - with nominal upgrades, that were already available on the RAM back in 2017. If they want to cater to a higher end market, build a higher end product in a different trim. Oh yea - they did that, with a $80k V8 wrangler in 2021. Which is now $30k more at $110k with no additional upgrades. Nice job Jeep. You have pushed your customers to Bronco or true luxury brands.
its not just Jeep. All manufacturers have increased their prices and dropped their quality. Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Hyundai these budget brands are no longer budget brands. If you don't believe me just go look at their prices. A camry is now 35k and thats an entry level (this around the price of a hyundai tucson SUV). a bone stock 4wheel drive toyota rav4 is now 40k and is built in cambridge ontario. where a car is made is a big factor as to the quality of the vehicle. This is why vins that are japanese-made are worth more than vins that are north american-made. Im not a jeep fanboy by any means. i support japanese brands because of their reliability but i'm realizing that as long as im in north america, these cars are all the same NOW. in this present time. 10-15 years ago was a different story but now i see just as many hyundais and toyotas broken down as much as the american cars are.
so will these prices ever come down? well as long as an entry level hyundai tucson costs 35k an entry level wrangler will continue to cost 50k.
Cheers
At least other manufacturers have updated their drivetrains to justify their costs. I am a Jeep person. Most Jeep Wrangler owners have been repeat buyers in the past. Now we are priced out. They have to cater to a clientele that expects more for that price. The current wrangler is not much different than in 2018.
Clearly Jeep has decided to leave behind the customers that helped build the brand and focus on the wealthy...which for the most part, wouldnt be seen in a Jeep.
I doubt going from a Benz to a jeep lol
My wife and I bought a Grand Cherokee L Limited 4x4 back in 2021 when they first released and that cost us 55K out the door. Even at that price point it felt ridiculously high!! I was considering a gladiator once we pay off the Grand Cherokee but at these inflated prices it's just not a good financial decision. I'd rather wait a few years and pick one up on the pre-owned market so someone else takes that massive depreciation hit.
Hey!! They're giving you a whopping $10K off a $130K truck!! NOW everyone can afford it!!
Yes thats a lot.
Idiocracy we live in.
L😂L
They aren't going to reduce prices the idea is to keep you from owning a private car period.
Stellantis seems so mismanaged. Idk why they wouldn’t have kept Dodge for the low range, Ram and Jeep mid tier and Alfa as premium/sport with the heaviest ties to Dodge. Why would you move all of those brands into the same pricing segments. None of the Dodge and Jeep products were originally made to be premium (exception wagoner). So they ended up expensive, cheap and unreliable for the price.
Chuck, this reminds me of GT Mustangs. My GT MSRP was $42K and had to put $20K to get my my monthly payments at $250.00. GT MSRPs go up from there, from $45K, $55K and up. This must explain why you see 10 Eco Boost Mustangs to every GT.
They are dropping prices on leftover 23 gladiators 25-30% now. You can get a sport one in the low 30s.
My 2022 Subaru Forrester I got new in 2022 was $30K. It’s a fantastic vehicle for the price. The 2024 models haven’t gone up much in the last 2 years.
A "higher end clientele" ain't gonna be hitting the Jeep dealership. Stellantis needs to wake up and face North if they want to sell vehicles. I'd love a Grand Cherokee if I could get it bare bones with a tow package. I need it to pull, not climb trees. Not sure I'd consider a 4x4.
They're starting to do some serious discounts on the 4XE's and Rams in my neck of the woods. They're giving discounts that match what they did to the prices of the 2023 Gladiators in order to move them.
Fuck anything electric! Fuck these shit vehicles and overpriced junk.
I wanted a Jeep until I went shopping I will just keep my 1997 wrangler
Hello Mark, here watching! 😊
The dealership I purchased my 14JKR off the floor called me a year ago asked me, if I still owned it, when I replied how many miles it had, service record and condition actually sent a sales rep to my house and made an on the spot offer to buy it back for more than the initial price I paid in 2014 and I could "Get into a new model for only $50K or take the cash offer.
I kicked him off my property. Car salesmen are evil crooks.
Jeep Wrangler’s sell like crazy here in AZ!
The Jeep Wrangler 4XE is the most popular plugin hybrid sold currently!
Yes, there’s the blame game. “We have to charge exorbitant price because we have to pay our workers a fair wage, and since line must go up for our bonuses, we really had no choice.”
And the viscous cycle goes round and round
The problem is our current President!
I recently went Wrangler shopping, ruled out a new one IMMEDIATELY! Prices are flabbergastingly asinine! A new Rubicon was about $25k 20 years ago. Now… TWICE that! Unsustainable! BTW, I bought an old TJ instead for a fraction of the price. The whole auto industry is in deep, deep trouble. But honestly, I wonder if it isn’t by design. 🤔
It sure seems by design
Have a 2015 JKU Rubicon paid 45k out the door brand new now 35k miles and it leaks on front passenger side still love it but would never buy at the outrageous prices now
You can take twenty thousand dollars off the very cheapest car they make, and it would still be too expensive.
At today's interest rates, if you need financing, fix the old beater instead.
Nowadays it makes more sense to restore that old beater instead like they do with classic cars.
Let "them" sit *"On the Lot and **#Rot**"* ❕️💲❕️
Exactly
I don't go out to the desert anymore. The cost of fuel is so high here in Southern California.
Yes it really is. It feels like it may be by design
Every company is currently doing it right now. Building more of the luxury version of a car with all the additions on it because it makes better markup.
Unfortunately the average person can't afford it anymore. They've done this to themselves.
CHEERS
I was in the market for a Jeep Gladiator. Liked the rugged look and it being a Wrangler turned into a truck caught my attention. Until I walked the lot, then I left, went to Toyota and bought a slightly used Tacoma TRD Off Road. 😂 These Jeep prices are insane.
I had my 2023 stolen it was a Sport unlimited V6 and I loved it. Now I could only find the Sport with a 2 litre turbo. I had to upgrade to a 2024 Sahara to get the V6. It was $12000.00 higher. What helped was Chrysler has a program if your vehicle was stolen you get a $5000.00 rebate on a new one. I applied for the rebate and am waiting for it. They contacted me and said it is coming.
Middle class workers havent had a real wage increase in 40 years yet everything is getting more expensive. It is unsustainable.
In PA here jeep and ram dealerships here are double stacked.
These dealerships marking up the prices are ridiculous
Love your content sir!
I appreciate that!
My friend who bought jeeps twice , wanted hard top but after hearing the prices just paid to upgrade the current jeep instead of getting new one
100% agree about prices needing to come down 30%.
In Canada wranglers and gladiators are all between 50-90k… and plenty of dealers are around 10% interest. Screw all of that.
I agree, its a literal ripoff. I pity those buying at these rates.
No wrangler cost 140$ I’ll give it to him, gladiators cost upwards to 130+ but that’s it. Compass’s cost 47$ because they’re built in Mexico, I used to build them at my old plant, they were 20+. It’s Stellantis, they’re doing what any company wants, to make money. I’ve worked at Chrylser 30yrs, been here for every sale. It gets rough before it gets better. I retire in months, we still make good cars, we’ll be back!
My buddy just bought late 1990s Jeep. No electronics. Things a beast.
Ya a Jeep Rubicon X which costs less than 25k to build is sold for 85k plus tax ???
Anyone can ask for any amount but will it sell ?
My son bought a 2024 Rav4 Toyota Limited. 100% loaded for $41k today, he had to wait over a month for it to arrive. These massive prices are a joke. I bought a Lexus 2024 NX360 Premium for $51k. Very loaded in November
Lexus is 10x the product of these and yet prices are reasonable compared to tjeae
found a nice 2020 Jaguar XE, 28,000 miles AWD 250r , Price 26,000. Love it, fast, nice-looking car. Go used low mileage
Thanks for sharing
Hmmm, 66k (as you said, 70k out the door) for a Grand Cherokee or 66k out the door for a base Audi Q7.
Well you do get “that spare tire”.
Haha indeed
Jeep compasses are 2k less than my 23 four runner TRD off road, nicely equipped 😂
When people are given a choice to spend $1,200 a month on groceries or a Jeep... I'm not surprised.
The world went to hell after 2020.
It really did. We all had to recalibrate.
I got my 4 door wrangler in 2020 for $30k. Now this is an impossible price to find. I can't imagine paying $900+ per month for a Jeep
I'm looking for a Rubicon, if the price is right.
We leased a 4xe, got rid of it early, it was so bad. Rather take a multi thousand dollar hit to get rid of it than keep paying for that junk.
Not a great product
@@markholubetz We went to look at trading our 2020 jeep for a 2024, but all they wanted to sell me was a new 4xe. We decided to drive ours another 75,000 and see what happens@
Stellantis SHOULD be worried. They priced everyone out of the market over the past year or two. Couple that with interest rates? That equals "mess". I've watched the Jeep Gladiator prices falling. And 11/13/23, I finally jumped. Got a 2023 Gladiator Willys in High Velocity. MSRP was $56,675. I paid $39,673. That's $17,002 in rebates. Dealer matched Jeep's own rebate of $8,501. No brainer for me at 30% off? There were more available with similar deals in Kennewick WA (Lithia Tri Citities), but no more. Back to MSRP unless you want an ECO Diesel at $10k off MSRP.
Yes they should
Spedo and gas guage only...vinyl flooring...no carpet...5 speed manual...bench seat...single cab...no radio...no anything but heat......25-35,000 dollars......no? Im done....not doing it...ill build my old one again.
We the people have more power than what we realize.
Lot of plastic and computer on for wheels is too expensive.
Not worth it. Same crap as a Samsung tv
The price is up, but the quality is way down. See them all the time coming back on a tow truck to the jeep dealership next door.
I never hear good things about Jeep. Here in Australia they are frequently ranked amongst the worst, highly unreliable vehicles.
Same here
It's amazing with their prices so high and in consumer reports show them consistently one of the most unreliable brands.
Maybe if they dropped the prices about 20k and actually sent them out with quality and durable parts, people would buy them
Stelantis messed up with upscaling the other brands when you have the Chrysler brand begging for a car. The wagoneer should’ve been a Chrysler
Exactly
I work on Dodge vehicles and they're parts cost as much as German vehicles
SAD....used to be a 4-year loan and not house size monthly payments
This is craziness