Great vid on the factory comparisons- Needed! Fan of HB- Best source for after-market upgrades for these 3 pistols, especially the EVO out there. Disregard the negative comments. Also appreciate the gunsmithing vids on the products your team supports...great compliment and customer service!
Great information HB. I am a recent customer and am very impressed with your products for my Evo. BTW good on you with your muzzle discipline, very safe.
rdb Seriously?! How could you not notice the fact that every single time he loaded the firearms none of them were on safe, he would load the pistol mag, chamber a round and then flip the safety from fire to safe then right back to fire again, not exactly the safest practice in my opinion. I mean I don’t really care, I’m not one of those have to have your gun safety on at all times freaks, my trigger finger is my most reliable safety in my opinion. But if your gonna make a comment about safety at least pay closer attention to the video, it actually wasn’t very safe at all to be consistently confused about if the gun is on safe or fire. I enjoyed the video though and think these guys make some good quality products for sure. I’m definitely a fan of HB industries.
Great Video. I was in the market for a PCC about 2 weeks ago and it was between the EVO or MPX which my local shop had both. I went with the EVO because of the reliability, as well as the direct blowback of the EVO and not getting a face full of gas when running it suppressed like I would with the MPX. For some reason the MPX gives a good amount of gas to the face when running a suppresser. Also the price and the EVO being about $1000 cheaper then the MPX. What also helped my decision was that my local shop had the EVO S2 Micro With flash can that’s been discontinued and not made anymore, the model everyone is after, so I snatched it up quick and saved myself $1,000 bucks over the MPX. I took it out to the range and sent 350 rounds through it right out the box and had no issues period. Now I do have a Yetiwurks Switchback grip, Theta trigger, trigger spring kit and a safety delete on my EVO. You guys make amazing products. The only other thing I’m going to change on my EVO S2 is a different charging handle as the stock one is a little small so I will be getting your guys Pro stock charging handle when they are back in stock. I absolutely love my EVO S2 micro, it’s awesome. Love how compact it is and how I can toss it in my backpack and carry it everywhere with me and in my car at all times with the stock 20 round mags and occasionally with the 35 round magpul magazines.
I've been shooting USPSA for a while now, and I'm thinking I'd like to get into the PCC division. AR-9's are alright, but they just don't do it for me like these purpose built PCC's. I've been thinking about getting a Beretta CX4 Storm with 30 round Beretta 92 mags, but I'm interested in how it compares to the guns in this video. I've also always loved the look of the TMP - now the B&T TP9. PCC's whose magazine is housed within the pistol grip interest me in particular because of the increased size and weight efficiency. Any chance you could make a comparison video featuring some 9mm PCC's that fit that mold?
I was all about getting a Stribog and getting a glock lower, until I saw it failed a burn down test. Checkout the Extar EP9 for a dependable sub9 that is more affordable than the Stribog....
Your videos are awesome. No bullshit and so helpfully informative. Anyone bitching about the way you deliver them are stupid and mean. I’m about to drop some more money on the Theta trigger and muzzle devices. I’ll buy the micro conversion in a few weeks. I love the products and your helpful videos really are a determining factor of me giving HBI my money instead of some other company. Do you own the company?
The scorpion evo can also share mags with the psa ak 9mm and psa sells their mags for 12 bucks a piece. Something that wasnt mentioned, so if you happen to have one or the other you can share the mags between the two if you happen to want an evo and psa ak9.
Great point, there are currently more magazine options for the Evo than Stibog or GHM9/APC/TP9 (B&T "PRO" series lowers are glock magazine compatible though)
Having shot all three of these, here's my take: - On the Scorpion EVO, I like the charging handle and the adjustable stock; dislike the picatinny rail on top not extending as much as it could, thus shortening the sight radius - On the Stribog, I like the metal construction and the price point; dislike that it is an exotic make, with limited support in my country - On the B&T, I like the metal construction, the buffer, changeability of stock (telescopic); dislike the reciprocating charging handle AND another take on a B&T P26: - On the P26, I like its weight, compactness and simplicity, its price point; dislike the bolt-holdopen (cannot be engaged manually) Switzerland is where I live: There is no tax stamp on SBR, but prices of the rifles are different from US prices: both B&T and Scorpion are about 1800 CHF, with the Stribog a bit below. P26 is out of production, you can get new ones for 1000 CHF as long as it lasts. They have been sold for 1111 CHF originally.
@@Embarrassed4U Do you know Robinson Armament rifles? They have a non-reciprocating bolt handle BUT it can be used as forward assist. On the other hand, with Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch): "why would you force shit into the chamber that doesn't wanna go there by itself?" - so, if it doesn't load into the chamber, better tap-rack, without thinking?
Would be nice to add the Extar EP9 and the Freedom Ordinance FX9. B&T is a super firearm but not as affordable as the Stribog, FX9, or Extar EP9... EP9 weighs 3.4 lbs~
GunsWithGage Magazine longevity? Have you seen the mag prices? You can get 3 Scorpion mags for the price of one B&T mag and companies are making them with metal feed lips now.
New subscriber and I’m looking at the Stribog vs the Scorpion EVO 3S1 (both with braces). As of October 28, 2019, I was under the impression from other videos that both the Stribog and the EVO were offered with threaded barrels. Is this correct?
Yes, as of Oct. 28, 2019 both the Stribog and Evo 3 S1 and S2 are sold from their respective factories with 1/2-28 threaded muzzles (Evo is 8mm/.313" length of thread, Stribog is 15mm/.590" length of thread)
You should have mentioned that most of the b&t guns share the same magazine but also that there are 3 different lowers you can get. The standard lower, a lower that uses ar15 style grips, and a lower takes glock magazines.
justinrisner06 There’s actually only 2 different lowers. The second lower shares the Glock mag and at pistol feature in one lower. Plus the upper is the serialized part so the lower is considered to be an accessory, no transfer needed, just ship it straight to your house.
@@a.ovation2086 guns that typically can't run traditional hollows that well run the hollows with the fake fmj tips, they work just as well as shooting regular hollows in terms of penetration but feed like your everyday fmj.
Christian Young A3 tactical has one its a brave but doesn’t look like a regular brace, it’s aluminum, and it’s also folding, it’s kinda pricey but looks sturdy
spacemarin04 I’ve watched so many B&T videos I can’t link you, but there is one with an official rep saying you buy the lower then you send the bolt in and for like 100 bucks they do something to it? On the other hand though there is an online store (again I looked at so many I can’t recall which) that said the model they sold was already ready for Glock mags. I dunno man. It’s on the RUclips though. Haha
@@CircadianCitizen5 maybe it's only older ones that need the bolt cut. I would imagine they would make so that lower is just a drop in and go fit. But I mean at that point another $100 isnt shit lol
spacemarin04 def man. If you’re 2k deep what’s another 100 hahah if Glock mags weren’t shit in pcc that would have been the perfect set up. Stribog has the new A3 coming though. Might be worth a look. I love the gHM9k though. So much
Hard to compare weights when stribog has no sights on it. The Cz had metal sights on it and a rifle stock. I feel like they are probably closer in weight given the circumstances.
It's a rare issue from what I've seen and read about. I've had mine for a year and haven't had the issues. The Evo had similar issues when they first came out.
Not enough info, couldve made it a 20 mins video and went over some of the internals that are in each, cause everyone should be aware that the cz scorpion factory bolt is dog water quality and made of cheap soft metal
Dude it’s painful listening to you. Plan, be organized, know exactly what you’re going to say and practice before you film! In addition, Barrel length? How many round mags? And have empty mags when demoing and then bring the loaded mags to shoot. OVERALL INFORMATIVE!
735 You read my mind... He’s like “I guess this is the Scorpion, and well maybe we’ll move over to the Stribog... doesn’t talk about field stripping the Scorpion and doesn’t shoot the scorpion and then jumps to the stribog and does just that... He should have mentioned that these are dedicated 9mm platforms with proprietary mags and reviewed in order from lowest to highest price. Stribog, Scorpion and B&T. That being said, it’s easy to complain from a viewers point of view. Just had to agree with you and vent that little bit of info... lol
not the best reviewer, you seemed really nervous.. and you didnt even speak about the sights on the stribog, and you didnt even use them when you shot the gun, lol
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Great vid on the factory comparisons- Needed! Fan of HB- Best source for after-market upgrades for these 3 pistols, especially the EVO out there. Disregard the negative comments. Also appreciate the gunsmithing vids on the products your team supports...great compliment and customer service!
I myself enjoy your informational/educational videos, despite some criticism on how you deliver it. keep it up.
Fun fact. You could buy a Scorpion & a Stribog for the price of the B&T.
B&T are for those who can and want afford them. This of course excludes a lot of people. And that's the case with million of different products...
Exactly! I love my CZ Scorpion and plan on getting a Stribog next. Can't beat the prices
Fun fact. Once you hold the swiss gun you dont want anything else
@@Smoot561treasures where did you find yours? I've been looking everywhere for one. Thnx
Fun fact : You could buy a Hyundai Sonata and a Toyota Camry for the price of the Mercedes E 550.. 😉
Great information HB. I am a recent customer and am very impressed with your products for my Evo. BTW good on you with your muzzle discipline, very safe.
rdb Seriously?! How could you not notice the fact that every single time he loaded the firearms none of them were on safe, he would load the pistol mag, chamber a round and then flip the safety from fire to safe then right back to fire again, not exactly the safest practice in my opinion. I mean I don’t really care, I’m not one of those have to have your gun safety on at all times freaks, my trigger finger is my most reliable safety in my opinion. But if your gonna make a comment about safety at least pay closer attention to the video, it actually wasn’t very safe at all to be consistently confused about if the gun is on safe or fire. I enjoyed the video though and think these guys make some good quality products for sure. I’m definitely a fan of HB industries.
Muzzle discipline. Just sayin.
Great Video. I was in the market for a PCC about 2 weeks ago and it was between the EVO or MPX which my local shop had both. I went with the EVO because of the reliability, as well as the direct blowback of the EVO and not getting a face full of gas when running it suppressed like I would with the MPX. For some reason the MPX gives a good amount of gas to the face when running a suppresser. Also the price and the EVO being about $1000 cheaper then the MPX. What also helped my decision was that my local shop had the EVO S2 Micro With flash can that’s been discontinued and not made anymore, the model everyone is after, so I snatched it up quick and saved myself $1,000 bucks over the MPX. I took it out to the range and sent 350 rounds through it right out the box and had no issues period. Now I do have a Yetiwurks Switchback grip, Theta trigger, trigger spring kit and a safety delete on my EVO. You guys make amazing products. The only other thing I’m going to change on my EVO S2 is a different charging handle as the stock one is a little small so I will be getting your guys Pro stock charging handle when they are back in stock. I absolutely love my EVO S2 micro, it’s awesome. Love how compact it is and how I can toss it in my backpack and carry it everywhere with me and in my car at all times with the stock 20 round mags and occasionally with the 35 round magpul magazines.
Free comparison and people are complaining about your delivery . . . Tough crowd. Thanks for taking the time
Great video and great choices for the comparison!
*Great Job Best no nonsense content delivery style*
Great review! Thank you
Thank you for pronouncing stribog properly. You maybe are the only channel to pronounce it properly. Kudos to you. Great video too!
what's the recoil difference between them?
Stribog & the B&T were the only two that actually met the stupid set of requirements DoD dreamed up for that one.
I've been shooting USPSA for a while now, and I'm thinking I'd like to get into the PCC division. AR-9's are alright, but they just don't do it for me like these purpose built PCC's. I've been thinking about getting a Beretta CX4 Storm with 30 round Beretta 92 mags, but I'm interested in how it compares to the guns in this video. I've also always loved the look of the TMP - now the B&T TP9. PCC's whose magazine is housed within the pistol grip interest me in particular because of the increased size and weight efficiency. Any chance you could make a comparison video featuring some 9mm PCC's that fit that mold?
Love everything about the Stribog but the magazines. Can’t wait for steel reinforced mags to become available for purchase in the US
I was all about getting a Stribog and getting a glock lower, until I saw it failed a burn down test. Checkout the Extar EP9 for a dependable sub9 that is more affordable than the Stribog....
Your videos are awesome. No bullshit and so helpfully informative. Anyone bitching about the way you deliver them are stupid and mean. I’m about to drop some more money on the Theta trigger and muzzle devices. I’ll buy the micro conversion in a few weeks. I love the products and your helpful videos really are a determining factor of me giving HBI my money instead of some other company. Do you own the company?
The scorpion evo can also share mags with the psa ak 9mm and psa sells their mags for 12 bucks a piece. Something that wasnt mentioned, so if you happen to have one or the other you can share the mags between the two if you happen to want an evo and psa ak9.
Great point, there are currently more magazine options for the Evo than Stibog or GHM9/APC/TP9 (B&T "PRO" series lowers are glock magazine compatible though)
Real good video, thanks
I appreciate the video!
Could you do a video on scorpion vs stribog
Having shot all three of these, here's my take:
- On the Scorpion EVO, I like the charging handle and the adjustable stock; dislike the picatinny rail on top not extending as much as it could, thus shortening the sight radius
- On the Stribog, I like the metal construction and the price point; dislike that it is an exotic make, with limited support in my country
- On the B&T, I like the metal construction, the buffer, changeability of stock (telescopic); dislike the reciprocating charging handle
AND another take on a B&T P26:
- On the P26, I like its weight, compactness and simplicity, its price point; dislike the bolt-holdopen (cannot be engaged manually)
Switzerland is where I live: There is no tax stamp on SBR, but prices of the rifles are different from US prices: both B&T and Scorpion are about 1800 CHF, with the Stribog a bit below. P26 is out of production, you can get new ones for 1000 CHF as long as it lasts. They have been sold for 1111 CHF originally.
Very well said, thank you for providing your first hand experience with all three (four)
I don't like the polymer receiver of the scorpion. My rear sling loop already snapped off with regular use.
@@foxhound9285 I feel like I'm gonna break it everytime I attach the sling there. Gets me to be more gentle than I should be on a tool.
@@Embarrassed4U Do you know Robinson Armament rifles? They have a non-reciprocating bolt handle BUT it can be used as forward assist.
On the other hand, with Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch): "why would you force shit into the chamber that doesn't wanna go there by itself?" - so, if it doesn't load into the chamber, better tap-rack, without thinking?
Does the charging handle on the B&T reciprocate?
Yes, the GHM9 charging handle does reciprocate with the bolt
Will the Scorpion fire without a magazine?
Yes, as will the Stribog and GHM9
Would be nice to add the Extar EP9 and the Freedom Ordinance FX9. B&T is a super firearm but not as affordable as the Stribog, FX9, or Extar EP9... EP9 weighs 3.4 lbs~
So which one do you like the most overall?
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Great video thank you. I think the win goes to B&T for magazine longevity.
GunsWithGage Magazine longevity? Have you seen the mag prices? You can get 3 Scorpion mags for the price of one B&T mag and companies are making them with metal feed lips now.
You guys need to make metal replacement Stribog BUIS. :-)
GR3YD3ATH yeah Magpul and a million other companies already have that covered buddy.
Gun pro deals has them for about $60 shipped
New subscriber and I’m looking at the Stribog vs the Scorpion EVO 3S1 (both with braces). As of October 28, 2019, I was under the impression from other videos that both the Stribog and the EVO were offered with threaded barrels.
Is this correct?
Dude just spend the Lil bit extra and get the GHM9, it’s definitely worth paying the extra money for
Yes, as of Oct. 28, 2019 both the Stribog and Evo 3 S1 and S2 are sold from their respective factories with 1/2-28 threaded muzzles (Evo is 8mm/.313" length of thread, Stribog is 15mm/.590" length of thread)
You should have mentioned that most of the b&t guns share the same magazine but also that there are 3 different lowers you can get. The standard lower, a lower that uses ar15 style grips, and a lower takes glock magazines.
justinrisner06 There’s actually only 2 different lowers. The second lower shares the Glock mag and at pistol feature in one lower. Plus the upper is the serialized part so the lower is considered to be an accessory, no transfer needed, just ship it straight to your house.
Stribog don't use Glock mags?
Yes and no. There is a lower coming out that will take Glock mags. So a plus for the Stribog. Won't feed hollow points for shit though.
@@a.ovation2086 guns that typically can't run traditional hollows that well run the hollows with the fake fmj tips, they work just as well as shooting regular hollows in terms of penetration but feed like your everyday fmj.
Maaaan, that Dude really loves his Stribog. Lol.
Where did you find your stock for the Stribog?? I've been looking everywhere!
Christian Young A3 tactical has one its a brave but doesn’t look like a regular brace, it’s aluminum, and it’s also folding, it’s kinda pricey but looks sturdy
The stock in the video is Grand Power/OEM stock. Sometimes Global Ordnance has them, might be special order? Not sure? It is a factory part though.
Love the stock on the Scorpion. In CT you have to use a brace. Suck!
I assume these are all SBRs. Federal law applies to all states on firearms
Why do you shoot the bog without the sights up? Strange bro
I stand corrected. I was looking at mine and the peep sights folded down still work as regular low profile sights. My bad I'm an idiot
Crazy, but the pistol brace options look better than the actual stock on the Stribog 👍
Stribog also has sights on the rail. Stribog has a lighter trigger pull as well.
Not sure why he shot all 3 guns at the end and then made zero comments about shooting performance or recoil. Like we haven’t seen a gun shoot before,
And you can buy a new lower for the B&T that takes glock mags
spacemarin04 it sucks you have to have the bolt worked on for that. Seems kinda pointless at that point.
@@CircadianCitizen5 that's news to me. Where did you hear that at?
spacemarin04 I’ve watched so many B&T videos I can’t link you, but there is one with an official rep saying you buy the lower then you send the bolt in and for like 100 bucks they do something to it? On the other hand though there is an online store (again I looked at so many I can’t recall which) that said the model they sold was already ready for Glock mags. I dunno man. It’s on the RUclips though. Haha
@@CircadianCitizen5 maybe it's only older ones that need the bolt cut. I would imagine they would make so that lower is just a drop in and go fit.
But I mean at that point another $100 isnt shit lol
spacemarin04 def man. If you’re 2k deep what’s another 100 hahah if Glock mags weren’t shit in pcc that would have been the perfect set up. Stribog has the new A3 coming though. Might be worth a look. I love the gHM9k though. So much
Hard to compare weights when stribog has no sights on it. The Cz had metal sights on it and a rifle stock. I feel like they are probably closer in weight given the circumstances.
Stribog has sights built into it.
Stand behind the muzzle
Love your products, but find a narrator for your videos.
This feels like you did a practice run before filming the real video and accidentally uploaded the wrong one
Anyone having problems with the Stribog's mags cracking?
foxhound928 heard about that too...
It's a rare issue from what I've seen and read about. I've had mine for a year and haven't had the issues. The Evo had similar issues when they first came out.
All fun but the B&T is far above the other two in quality and design.
B&t always wins
Less talking, more chooting!
Jesse Pinkman...
Not enough info, couldve made it a 20 mins video and went over some of the internals that are in each, cause everyone should be aware that the cz scorpion factory bolt is dog water quality and made of cheap soft metal
Why are you so stingy on your ammos!!!? Shooooooot!!
..lol big gay Al..
Say Str-eye-bog.
A homosexual gun spokesman. That’s something you don’t see everyday
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Good video but you need to work on your public speaking
THE GAYEST SPEAKER OF ALL FIREARMS EVER IN A VIDEO! THIS GUY IS MOST CERTAINLY FROM SAN FRANCISCO OR SOYATTLE!
Stribog sucks. Gun sucks, mags suck.
But....why??
@@Catgat37 Gun doesn't work. Mags are laughably bad. Just buy a Scorpion.
@@beck4218 I have heard more positive than negative. There are negative reviews on every firearm.
@@Catgat37 Watch MAC's latest on the Stribog.
@@beck4218 Mac is a lemon magnet. The A3 certainly has its issues. The A1 Gen 2 supposedly runs great with the lighter recoil spring.
Dude it’s painful listening to you. Plan, be organized, know exactly what you’re going to say and practice before you film! In addition, Barrel length? How many round mags? And have empty mags when demoing and then bring the loaded mags to shoot. OVERALL INFORMATIVE!
735 You read my mind... He’s like “I guess this is the Scorpion, and well maybe we’ll move over to the Stribog... doesn’t talk about field stripping the Scorpion and doesn’t shoot the scorpion and then jumps to the stribog and does just that... He should have mentioned that these are dedicated 9mm platforms with proprietary mags and reviewed in order from lowest to highest price. Stribog, Scorpion and B&T. That being said, it’s easy to complain from a viewers point of view. Just had to agree with you and vent that little bit of info... lol
not the best reviewer, you seemed really nervous.. and you didnt even speak about the sights on the stribog, and you didnt even use them when you shot the gun, lol
Definitely not similar in price....