I installed mine myself thanks to the help of this video. Because of my lack for attention to detail, I ran into a small problem. After about 30 rounds in, I noticed that the handguard was separating from the upper receiver. It was definately an 'Oh shit...' moment. It moved forward a good half inch leaving a noticeable gap, and thankfully I caught it before continuing to fire. My mistakes: I didn't tighten the block screw enough, so my lazy ass got out the torque wrench. Also, I used 242 threadlocker on the first install. I completely bamboozled that one, but I always learn from my mistakes. This firearm is the first that I've actually worked on, and it got a full HBi makeover thanks to their instructional videos. 1000 rounds later and we're still peachy.
For anyone that owns the pistol model with the flash can, I used an allen wrench that snuggly fit inside the two notches and tapped it with a hammer. It released fairly easily. Also, HB industries' carbine barrel nut tool worked AMAZINGLY. Worth every penny.
Thank you for this. Not much info out there on the pistol model with the flash can. I was wondering if the HB industries carbine barrel nut tool was needed. Definitely going to order that. The stock sling mounts have been digging into my hands when manipulating the charging handle. I need to remove them and this will help.
I just replaced the trigger spring on my Scorpion as well as the charging handle, trigger, mag release and safety. The spring was a huge pain but your instructions were great. The rest were really easy. This'll be my next modification.
For those like me watching this video trying to figure out what Torx screw size wrench I need to remove my handguard, it's a T25 mentioned at 13:36 / 13:37.
Thank you very much for this video. I was a little concerned about how the forend would match up to the body of the firearm. Once again you guys knock it out of the park. Make it simple and quite honestly I think will improve the harmonics of the barrel in May improve accuracy. I'm excited to get the carbine hand guard and can't wait to see what you guys have next!
Why couldn't we just use the charging handle right after removing it from the stock handguard into the new handguard? I saw that you took out and replaced a pin but didn't understand why this was necessary
as he mentioned, switching out the load spring inside to make it smoother with the provided spring from HB. If the original load spring is ok for you, you can keep it and don't need to take it out apart.
Where did you get the roll pin that is installed after installing the charging handle? Was this removed when breaking down the original handgaurd or did you get this from somewhere else? Minute 24:33 in the video
I know this is old, but I just acquired a Scorpion S1 evo and will be doing this with one of your FDE handguards.. I already ordered a bunch of parts and am looking for the FDE Brace.. Cannot find one anywhere.. (01/01/2023) Question, Can you still use the under mount hand stop on the new handguard ? thx
@@darrell252michelle No, looked up Gun deals and elsewhere, found it on Locked and Loaded for (removed) best price and the last day of the rebate w/ backpack and 2 mag promo from CZ... So I went for it.. especially in FDE...Now I warn you I already have almost 4 (hundred) extra HB parts ordered... Hopefully I can say that..
Yes. I ordered mine when it was on clearance and the only color available was OD green. Next day the other colors went on clearance and was like fuck. So I got a brace and a timney trigger ordered. Awaiting everything to ship.
The factory handstop is 1913/picatinny mount, our handgaurd is machined for MLOK. So, you will need to get a different handstop. But there are plenty of MLOK handstop options out there, and we like to recommend magpul # MAG608 as probably the most effective low cost handstop kit. For about $20 you get two different handstop pieces, and they fit such a wide range of handguards (ours and others). Its a nice little kit to keep around.
"Complete Kit" is everything needed to install the handguard (incl. trunnion/mounting block and all hardware). "Shroud Only" is literally just the handguard shroud; this is useful when a customer would like to buy multiple length/size handguards for one Evo, normally to accommodate various muzzle devices or to shroud suppressors. So the "Shroud Only" option can help certain customers save a little coin, but it can also be confusing, and it is worth asking about. Great question.
The instructions you supply with this hand guard it says to tighten the long screw to “80 in*lbs”. I assumed this wasn’t right the first time I tried but still followed those instructions and broke the screw. So I hope you guys see this and fix that on your later shipments to people.
From the factory, the polymer handguard is held in compression between the upper receiver and barrel nut near the muzzle. It does not "free float" the barrel.
@runlevelone - these handguards took us much longer to machine than anticipated, we are running around the clock right now trying to rebuild inventory and catch back up. Very sorry for the delay and hope that we will have the opportunity to earn your business again in the future :-)
Two questions: 1) Why does it say cut the barrel down to ~5" with the micro-handguard? Would a longer barrel affect functioning or is it just aesthetic? Are there any pics of the micro handguard with the OEM barrel? 2) Why not take the top of the rail out further (instead of copying the angle of the OEM)--since that would increase sight radius?
Man sucks that it’s not recommend to use the after market charging handle… I’m not sure where my stock charging handle is haha. Do you guys make a polymer after market charging handle? As always, great video! I did my very first aftermarket trigger swap/reduced weight spring on my scorpion following your guy’s video. 😄
Thank you for the kind words! We do make an extended polymer charging handle, here is a link: hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-scorpion-prostock-charging-handle/
@@hb_industries quick question, I ordered the handguard and I am putting it on right now. Im at the end at the charging handle part and I’m not seeing the reduced weight wire spring/roll pin for the charging handle. I did order your after market polymer charging handle with the handguard, does your charging handle already come with the reduced weight spring? Another awesome video by the way! 👏 super easy to follow. Thanks for everything you guys do.
@@dwells3536 Short answer: you can use either the factory charging handle or any of ours, no reduced weight spring is needed. Long answer: We made this video in 2016 and since then have been able to update our handguard(s) to work with all known changing handle springs on the market. And we need to re-make this install video :-)
@TheCONtwo great question, SiCo Osprey 9 and 45 will not fit inside of our handguards, but our 6.84" flat handguard shrouds were designed specifically with the Ospreys and their boosters in mind. With the Osprey installed, there is approx 1/8" gap to the face of the handguard from the back of the Osprey.
Currently... no plans to make them. But we have customers with the ASG scorpions; and I just ordered a couple for the shop because they look like a ton of fun! We will look at what it would take to retrofit our handguards (and other parts) to the ASG chassis :-)
HB Industries sweet, keep us posted as I'd love to have one. you guys still make the handguard that has the recession for the hand grip? so not the uniform parallel one.
For anyone that owns the pistol model with the flash can, I used an Allen wrenches that snuggly fit inside the two notches and tapped it with a hammer. It released fairly easily. Also, HB industries' carbine barrel nut too worked AMAZINGLY. Worth every penny.
hah! im the guy that has been emailing you about this for the last few days, and i find this OLD video with my EXACT model Scorpion being serviced. im such an idiot.
Sexy grip. I'm awaiting a SB Tactical Side Folding Brace atm. May go with one of these later but really need a brace or stock first. Just wish I could put a buffer tube and regular stock on it without paying 200 bucks. I feel like my 2nd Amendment right is being infringed.
Why not just use a socket? I get why the wrench might damage the finish. But, what knuckle dragging oaf can’t manage to remove a nut with a ratchet without damage??
Just a warning to new owners, the handgaurd tool is made from soft steel. Making it easy to round the barrel nut. The tool fails and the flats mushroom under the load needed to break the loctite. HBI has some quality stuff but the tool is not an advisable purchase.
It sounds like your tool may have been heat treated incorrectly? We would be more than happy to replace it for you if needed? Please just call or email us and we will take care of you. Side note, it is important that the tool be completely engaged with the barrel nut when torque is applied. The two flats on the barrel nut are very easy to slip off when rotating and that can cause damage to both the tool and the nut.
I take it you've never heard of crow's feet? Thats exactly what they are - wrench heads with a square hole in them so you can put them on a ratchet. They work places where a 6 or 12 point socket won't. They make them to use an existing ratchet handle so they can be smaller, use less material, and be cheaper. They are flexible because you can use a longer or shorter ratchet depending on how much room you have and how much leverage you need. I have several full sets of crows feet in my toolbox. And because they use my existing ratchet, I didn't end up buying 40 extra handles. On this scorpion, the barrel nut only has 2 flats. Its not a hex, so you can't use a socket on your ratchet to remove it. Instead, you use a crows foot or this tool.
Sorry, but this new part is absolutely wrong. 1) You replaced polymer for metal part? It's heavier and has poor thermal properties, metal accumulates heat. 2) You do not have the same color? It looks horrible :/ 3) Mounting a large metal block inside? Another additional weight and yet it will serve as a heat conductor. I would recommend rather agree with CZ to license and produce a modified front part of the same polymer and the same technology as CZ I am surprised that you were allowed to sell. I apologize for criticism, but the whole new front part seems to me unbalanced.
Mari B. 99.9% of the people that own a Scorpion will not be shooting full auto so the heat is pretty much a non issue, hundreds of guns have metal handguards. And as for the weight you are talking about a few measly ounces of difference. And as for you calling it "ugly", they make these handguards in black and FDE for those if us with flat dark earth Scorpions. Now the pros to this handguard, no more cheese grater, it's more rugged than the oem polymer, and it looks badass!
I installed mine myself thanks to the help of this video. Because of my lack for attention to detail, I ran into a small problem. After about 30 rounds in, I noticed that the handguard was separating from the upper receiver. It was definately an 'Oh shit...' moment. It moved forward a good half inch leaving a noticeable gap, and thankfully I caught it before continuing to fire. My mistakes: I didn't tighten the block screw enough, so my lazy ass got out the torque wrench. Also, I used 242 threadlocker on the first install. I completely bamboozled that one, but I always learn from my mistakes. This firearm is the first that I've actually worked on, and it got a full HBi makeover thanks to their instructional videos. 1000 rounds later and we're still peachy.
it's always nice to publish mistakes so others can learn from them without repeating
For anyone that owns the pistol model with the flash can, I used an allen wrench that snuggly fit inside the two notches and tapped it with a hammer. It released fairly easily. Also, HB industries' carbine barrel nut tool worked AMAZINGLY. Worth every penny.
Thank you for this. Not much info out there on the pistol model with the flash can. I was wondering if the HB industries carbine barrel nut tool was needed. Definitely going to order that. The stock sling mounts have been digging into my hands when manipulating the charging handle. I need to remove them and this will help.
I just replaced the trigger spring on my Scorpion as well as the charging handle, trigger, mag release and safety. The spring was a huge pain but your instructions were great. The rest were really easy. This'll be my next modification.
For those like me watching this video trying to figure out what Torx screw size wrench I need to remove my handguard, it's a T25 mentioned at 13:36 / 13:37.
Im a fan. I love HB products for the scorpion
Thank you very much for this video. I was a little concerned about how the forend would match up to the body of the firearm. Once again you guys knock it out of the park. Make it simple and quite honestly I think will improve the harmonics of the barrel in May improve accuracy. I'm excited to get the carbine hand guard and can't wait to see what you guys have next!
Why couldn't we just use the charging handle right after removing it from the stock handguard into the new handguard? I saw that you took out and replaced a pin but didn't understand why this was necessary
as he mentioned, switching out the load spring inside to make it smoother with the provided spring from HB. If the original load spring is ok for you, you can keep it and don't need to take it out apart.
Thanks for sharing! A+ instructional video👍 you guys are awesome! This was so helpful. Thx
Where did you get the roll pin that is installed after installing the charging handle? Was this removed when breaking down the original handgaurd or did you get this from somewhere else? Minute 24:33 in the video
If I was to get this hand guard and install a micro barrel can I fit an omega9k suppressor in it ??
Yes, Omega9k tucks inside nicely. Omega 9k is approx 1.48" OD, our handguards are approx 1.57" ID.
FDE version?
Flat Dark Earth, it’s the color of the gun
Is there a video that also deals with changing the pistol barrel to your micro barrel?
I know this is old, but I just acquired a Scorpion S1 evo and will be doing this with one of your FDE handguards.. I already ordered a bunch of parts and am looking for the FDE Brace.. Cannot find one anywhere.. (01/01/2023) Question, Can you still use the under mount hand stop on the new handguard ? thx
You get your gun on clearance from palmettostate?
@@darrell252michelle No, looked up Gun deals and elsewhere, found it on Locked and Loaded for (removed) best price and the last day of the rebate w/ backpack and 2 mag promo from CZ... So I went for it.. especially in FDE...Now I warn you I already have almost 4 (hundred) extra HB parts ordered... Hopefully I can say that..
Yes. I ordered mine when it was on clearance and the only color available was OD green. Next day the other colors went on clearance and was like fuck. So I got a brace and a timney trigger ordered. Awaiting everything to ship.
The factory handstop is 1913/picatinny mount, our handgaurd is machined for MLOK. So, you will need to get a different handstop. But there are plenty of MLOK handstop options out there, and we like to recommend magpul # MAG608 as probably the most effective low cost handstop kit. For about $20 you get two different handstop pieces, and they fit such a wide range of handguards (ours and others). Its a nice little kit to keep around.
@@hb_industries Thanks.. I did end up getting that particular handstop.
Does the barrel nut need to be installed to cover the threads in the back?
On the website is has 2 options complete kit or shroud only but doesn't state the difference any help on that
"Complete Kit" is everything needed to install the handguard (incl. trunnion/mounting block and all hardware). "Shroud Only" is literally just the handguard shroud; this is useful when a customer would like to buy multiple length/size handguards for one Evo, normally to accommodate various muzzle devices or to shroud suppressors. So the "Shroud Only" option can help certain customers save a little coin, but it can also be confusing, and it is worth asking about. Great question.
@@hb_industries thanks
What brand are those soft jaws ???
Bessey BV-NVJ Multi-Purpose Vise Jaws; believe that they are neoprene and fit vises up to 6" wide
The instructions you supply with this hand guard it says to tighten the long screw to “80 in*lbs”. I assumed this wasn’t right the first time I tried but still followed those instructions and broke the screw. So I hope you guys see this and fix that on your later shipments to people.
I was looking for this answer.. i tightened to 32in.lbs
Hello
Where can we find your products in Europe ? Still not shipping outside US ?...
So from the factory.....the barrel isn't free floated?
From the factory, the polymer handguard is held in compression between the upper receiver and barrel nut near the muzzle. It does not "free float" the barrel.
Wonder if the metal charging handle scraped this customers new metal handguard.
Great looking handgard!!!
Any chance HB will offer these in FDE?
Yes, we are actually working on offering some of each style/configuration/length in FDE here in the next few months :-)
So after heat gun and the tool. Nothing. Can’t get barrel nut off. Absolutely ridiculous smh. Anyone got any tips or tricks?
Does the hand guard come in battleship grey?
What about that little piece that stick out and hold the muzzle break in place? I didn’t see you say anything about it. Will it be in the way?
You guys plan on having anything in stock soon? Tried to buy some stuff for my Scorpion and everything is out of stock. Had to go to a competitor.
@runlevelone - these handguards took us much longer to machine than anticipated, we are running around the clock right now trying to rebuild inventory and catch back up. Very sorry for the delay and hope that we will have the opportunity to earn your business again in the future :-)
Two questions:
1) Why does it say cut the barrel down to ~5" with the micro-handguard? Would a longer barrel affect functioning or is it just aesthetic? Are there any pics of the micro handguard with the OEM barrel?
2) Why not take the top of the rail out further (instead of copying the angle of the OEM)--since that would increase sight radius?
Can you put one for a micro in that size?
Excellent video. Thanks guys!
Where do you get the side railing to mount on this specific hand guard?
What vice are you using? Thanks
Man sucks that it’s not recommend to use the after market charging handle… I’m not sure where my stock charging handle is haha. Do you guys make a polymer after market charging handle?
As always, great video! I did my very first aftermarket trigger swap/reduced weight spring on my scorpion following your guy’s video. 😄
Thank you for the kind words! We do make an extended polymer charging handle, here is a link: hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-scorpion-prostock-charging-handle/
@@hb_industries Awesome! Thanks!
Happy holidays!
@@hb_industries quick question, I ordered the handguard and I am putting it on right now. Im at the end at the charging handle part and I’m not seeing the reduced weight wire spring/roll pin for the charging handle. I did order your after market polymer charging handle with the handguard, does your charging handle already come with the reduced weight spring?
Another awesome video by the way! 👏 super easy to follow. Thanks for everything you guys do.
@@dwells3536 Short answer: you can use either the factory charging handle or any of ours, no reduced weight spring is needed. Long answer: We made this video in 2016 and since then have been able to update our handguard(s) to work with all known changing handle springs on the market. And we need to re-make this install video :-)
@@hb_industries Gotcha! Thanks for the quick reply. Loving the feel of this handguard so far.
What’s the point of switching to this
Please make some more flat 6in FDE aluminum hand guards!
You got it! We are machining more right now, give us 2-3 weeks to finish them up :-)
@@hb_industries got a notification that some where in stock yesterday. Placed an order instantly. Can’t wait to get it and instal it.
Flat diarrhea earth is the worst color for a weapon
@@joshuaamado559 You'd prefer pepto bismol pink?
@@joshuaamado559 opinions are like assholes, every ones got one!
Will an osprey 45 fit inside one of those rails? Like if I ran a rifle rail will the osprey fit?
@TheCONtwo great question, SiCo Osprey 9 and 45 will not fit inside of our handguards, but our 6.84" flat handguard shrouds were designed specifically with the Ospreys and their boosters in mind. With the Osprey installed, there is approx 1/8" gap to the face of the handguard from the back of the Osprey.
can this be done to the airsoft version of the scorpion?
@MultiShaun1989 - No, unfortunately our handguards do not fit the current ASG airsoft Scorpion
HB Industries are there plans to make them? I'd absolutely love the carbine handguard.
Currently... no plans to make them. But we have customers with the ASG scorpions; and I just ordered a couple for the shop because they look like a ton of fun! We will look at what it would take to retrofit our handguards (and other parts) to the ASG chassis :-)
HB Industries sweet, keep us posted as I'd love to have one. you guys still make the handguard that has the recession for the hand grip? so not the uniform parallel one.
For anyone that owns the pistol model with the flash can, I used an Allen wrenches that snuggly fit inside the two notches and tapped it with a hammer. It released fairly easily. Also, HB industries' carbine barrel nut too worked AMAZINGLY. Worth every penny.
hah! im the guy that has been emailing you about this for the last few days, and i find this OLD video with my EXACT model Scorpion being serviced. im such an idiot.
Need to tack weld a socket to the end of that "tool" for the barrel nut... 0.0
Sexy grip. I'm awaiting a SB Tactical Side Folding Brace atm. May go with one of these later but really need a brace or stock first. Just wish I could put a buffer tube and regular stock on it without paying 200 bucks. I feel like my 2nd Amendment right is being infringed.
Your right is being infringed? A bit of a snowflake, aren't ya?
I literally bent the tool trying to get this barrel off
I would weld that tool to a socket.
Why not just use a socket? I get why the wrench might damage the finish. But, what knuckle dragging oaf can’t manage to remove a nut with a ratchet without damage??
I think today I'm just going to watch gun videos and of courses democrats crying over the election videos. They both bring me great joy and happiness.
Hell yeah Joe! You and me alike. Crazy good times.
man, the charging handle must require the smallest ever roll pin punch. u guys should privide this punch!!
It is a very small punch, 1/16" or 1.5mm :-)
Just a warning to new owners, the handgaurd tool is made from soft steel. Making it easy to round the barrel nut. The tool fails and the flats mushroom under the load needed to break the loctite. HBI has some quality stuff but the tool is not an advisable purchase.
It sounds like your tool may have been heat treated incorrectly? We would be more than happy to replace it for you if needed? Please just call or email us and we will take care of you. Side note, it is important that the tool be completely engaged with the barrel nut when torque is applied. The two flats on the barrel nut are very easy to slip off when rotating and that can cause damage to both the tool and the nut.
que video eterno para quitar y poner 6 tornillos
nice video
I love this!
Good video, but play it at 1.25x speed.
Mine was put on by god himself cause nothing is working
Save yourself the time and get a Midwest industry socket and impact driver.
Pfft, loctite. Rocksett that crap! (Only if you never plan to remove)
This muzzle device can go straight to hell
umm... :-) Nice Video!
*installation
Sounds like something Broke @ ... 5:09
Sponsored by Irwin. Making vices that appear on videos.
Let's make an attachment that turns a ratchet into a wrench......what the fuck lol?
I take it you've never heard of crow's feet? Thats exactly what they are - wrench heads with a square hole in them so you can put them on a ratchet. They work places where a 6 or 12 point socket won't. They make them to use an existing ratchet handle so they can be smaller, use less material, and be cheaper. They are flexible because you can use a longer or shorter ratchet depending on how much room you have and how much leverage you need. I have several full sets of crows feet in my toolbox. And because they use my existing ratchet, I didn't end up buying 40 extra handles.
On this scorpion, the barrel nut only has 2 flats. Its not a hex, so you can't use a socket on your ratchet to remove it. Instead, you use a crows foot or this tool.
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I dislike the handguard. The factory one is quite nice already.
To much work
Lmfao... I mean the dude overly explained the process but you've gotta be pretty dang lazy to say this is too much work..
Sorry, but this new part is absolutely wrong.
1) You replaced polymer for metal part? It's heavier and has poor thermal properties, metal accumulates heat.
2) You do not have the same color? It looks horrible :/
3) Mounting a large metal block inside? Another additional weight and yet it will serve as a heat conductor.
I would recommend rather agree with CZ to license and produce a modified front part of the same polymer and the same technology as CZ
I am surprised that you were allowed to sell. I apologize for criticism, but the whole new front part seems to me unbalanced.
Mari B. 99.9% of the people that own a Scorpion will not be shooting full auto so the heat is pretty much a non issue, hundreds of guns have metal handguards. And as for the weight you are talking about a few measly ounces of difference. And as for you calling it "ugly", they make these handguards in black and FDE for those if us with flat dark earth Scorpions. Now the pros to this handguard, no more cheese grater, it's more rugged than the oem polymer, and it looks badass!
The block would actually work as a heat sink absorbing heat away from the hanguard
1. You need to calm down.
Its aluminum, not heavy at all
do more, talk less
Does this handguard fit on the airsoft scorpion evo replica?
We have heard that our handguards DO fit the ASG licensed replica
@@hb_industries Thank you 😍