It's so funny to always hear how people think goths are rude while most of them are so incredibly sweet. Especially older goths always help baby bats (people who just started to join the scene) to find their place. Love your videos! 🖤
Turns out I'm a goth in everything but fashion. When I was a teen, I wanted to drees like a goth but my parents didn't let me. So knowing that I am one after all, it's pretty nice.
I know how u feel cuz I Always wanted to wear Goth Clothes but my Great Grandma and everyone in my Family won't let me Expect my Mom. My Mom wants me to be Who I am cuz She used to be an Goth back in the 90s.
Just be who you are to fullest. Trust me it’s amazing when you do. Judgemental people need to grow up someday I also grew up in a Christian household. I did it once in 9th grade after finishing football. Cause I also love football. I’m emo. 🖤 but wear whatever you like they’ll have to grow up and support you one day. If not it’s there loss. I dressed normal for about a decade and said you know what I’m almost 30 and don’t care anymore. If they’re real friends and family they’ll support who you are 100%. My mom has a tough time with me being emo and putting eyeliner on and painting my toe and fingernails black. I’ve been doing the nail polish for more than half of my 27 years of life. On my toes especially I also hate the color of regular nails/ yellow toenails to lol. But be who you are to the fullest sir. 🖤🤘🏼
I remember it explained to me at high school by a girlfriend who went from goth to emo. She said “goths think there’s something wrong with the world and that’s why they don’t fit, while emo’s think there’s something wrong with them and that’s why they don’t fit in the world”. It’s simplistic I know. And yeah to some folk both are just a phase but to others it’s a long process.
I think the better way of looking at it other than that is one is a philosophical while the other is psychological. I know that psychology does fall into philosophy. To put in other words is one's about the nature while the other is about the spirit. This is consistent with their hairstyle and their makeup choices and as well as their clothing. Goss will choose either a crow or a grim reaper type hairstyle a crow will be more aloof more volume while a grim reaper will be more straight and flat and or at least most parts then there's a mixture. Well an emo is more their hairstyle is more akin to being more flat and straight and drooped it down. Supposedly embodying the emotion that's within them or within the spirit. Both are nihilism practices. And that's why they're so thought of as one in the same. You could say they're two halves of a hole
As a teen I never really got to explore my own identity. I had to subscribe to the hegemony of the rural community. My music was my parents’ music, but when I moved out in my own I began to discover my own identity and have been gravitating towards active nihilism and finding place within the emo/goth genre of music and life.
Recently I've been trying out new styles and what speaks to me, goth and emo for so long have been what I have tried to avoid identifying as and I wouldn't consider myself as one. I really love the goth style and recently, I've been just diving and falling into the rabbit hole abt goth culture. I never knew some of the bands I enjoyed listening to would be considered goth or emo, I can't consider myself to be fully either just because I listen to the smidgen of those bands and dress goth-like from time to time. To me, it's kinda like a commitment to that lifestyle which is why I had such a hard time seeing myself, identifying as one wouldn't just doesn't feel right either. I just wanted to share this cuz this channel is really helpful and educational abt this topic :) On a separate not, I stick to trying new things out and see which one I feel fits the most and just enjoy expressing myself in different ways instead of just sticking to one way.
I'm a mix of both. Even though I knew all of this already I just love watching and reading up on it regularly and reading comments. Your art is amazing btw.
AFI, MCR, the Used and Panic are actually examples of "scene bands". Scene kids are more in line with glam rock acts like David Bowie in his Ziggy Stardust phase and are usually more outgoing and cheerful than their Goth and emo cousins.
I wouldn’t say scene kids are more in line with Glamrock, than Emo culture, but they are definitely the Glam branch. Fairy Goths, pastel Goths, and cyberpunks are also brighter shinier cousins.
No I understand why you think that but if you research it scene music is genres like crunkcore, metalcore, deathcore and crabcore scene is more related to metal and punk then emo
no ur wrong. the used and mcr are 100000000000000000000k percent not scene lol. the millionaires and 03!0H are scene its very different. some emo bands are associated with scene like falling in reverse, so theres a crossover, but mcr and the used are not those bands
The first MCR's album is pure Emo. The lyrics are literally filled with suffering with hysterically screaming vocals. What is this if not Emo? So I don't agree that MCR aren't Emo band
From someone who was and sill be active in emo, goth, Metal and Punk i can for surely say you can listen to all kind of music, surely you can Identify more with one of these subgenres and also can't identify as none of those and still listen to all kind of music. You can also be a mix, I always tried to mix some themes of the fashion styles. Because my mind always switches between doing a deep dive in one or multiple of the these subcultures, I stopped declaring myself as one of these subcultures (Even through Goth is still the one i listen most to besides my all time favorite Bands) P.S. Thank you for mentioning Fields of Nephilim, it's a fantastic goth Band which isn't mentioned often enough in my eyes
Agreed, people shouldn't stick themselves to one label. And even if someone doesn't only listen to one genre, they still might be able to fit in multiple labels
I have always been Gothic, punk, and emo. I listen to a lot of Gothic music, punk music, and especially emo music. My favorite emo band is All time low.
I also know, some hairstyles are different. Like emo is more flat hair. And Gothic is more fluffy hair. Like I'm Gothic, but my hair most of the time is really fluffy. And that messy look.
I'm an artist who doesn't know if their favourite character is a goth or emo. This video helped me understand between a lot better, thank you so much 🖤🖤🖤
Ah...yes. Thank you for pointing that out. I think I mixed it up with the released year of Press the Eject and Give Me the Tape. Again, thank you so much 🙏
Right. And in 1983 The film “the Hunger“ opened with Bella Lugosi’s Dead, which was mainstreams first taste of Goth. The Batcave club opened in 1982 for a burgeoning Gothic scene.
I’m so glad that you people have a harder time defining emo in ideology and style. Less predictable and stereotypical. Emo embraces a melancholy in life philosophy, the human state etc. It’s more poetic and abstract. IMO. All of those categories not necessary, music, style and ideology. People are dying to either box you in or to fit into. Defies the whole purpose of emo in the first place. Again, IMO. Perhaps I’m describing something entirely different. Whatever.
its so funny how i definitely draw from both subcultures in every topic discussed here :D but id also like to add black metal. this is why i never felt fully at home describing myself as goth but always tended towards gothic-punk. i never connected REALLY to classic goth music, it was always too soft for me. but i got into industrial pretty early, and still am today. i was never into emo perse but adopted some clothing and optic from the 2nd wave of deathcore and from the metalcore scene which i was heavily involved in at that time. the lines were very blurred back then though. now today i dress pretty conservatively but still mostly black. some band shirts from time to time.... it all converged into my own style i think.
I used to be a mix of emo and scene back in middle and high school. I still have that side but I’ve balanced out and added some goth accessories to my look 🖤🖤🖤
My old band played psychedelic space rock. Besides the doors, Pink Floyd & cream our main influences were, siouxsie and the banshees, the cure, sisters of mercy, the mission uk, joy division, new order, U2, tool, portishead,& depesche mode
What about the e-girl and e-boy fashion and music scene? It has more revealing clothing, shaved heads, polo shirts, chinos, ear stretchers and slaps both goth and emo subcultures together. It also branches out into metal and hip hop, something that became a thing in 2006 and made someone like me interested at the grand old age of 15. Tbh Goth is 80s Gen X stuff from my parents' day and Emo is 21st century social media subculture for Millennials and zoomers. Emo is more street and normie in its appearance, with more worn out clothes compared to Goth's more polished, edgy and dark aesthetic. Old school emo fashion was, well, normal looking. 3rd wave emo was sort of a glam rock/goth fashion revival. Great video.
They're just bringing some aesthetics of those two subcultures back, no real relation in my opinion. Also, goth was still very much alive in millennial days.
@@Lilliathi Goth is very much alive TODAY. We have five Goth clubs in my city, and there are more new Goths bands today than there were in the 80s and 90s. Twin Tribes, Forever Grey, The Ghost of Bela Lugosi, Lebanon Hanover, SRSQ, Boy Harsher, Rosegarden Funeral Party, Male Tears, Actors, Scary Black, DARK, and many more. Even The Cure, Pet Shop Boys and Depeche Mode have new albums out and have been touring. The Goth scene is huge. I am a DJ.
The only thing that we could probably compare both too with actually in the smallest way possible is that they both came from a music scene and then slowly drifted away from just in styles alone now with subverted music etc. Then again some have tried to bring things back to it's roots mainly.
In that case I'm kind of this weird hybrid of Emo and Goth. Although specifically I've been more into Visual Kei, specifically Malice Mizer and Kamijo. But also Candy Spooky Theatre is kind of a guilty pleasure. I found them when I wanted to see how Visual Kei interpreted Cabaret, sense here in US we have Dark Cabaret. I do sometimes get lumped in with Black Metal. But other than the long hair, I don't really see the resemblance. I would have hair more like my illustration, but I don't really have the hair type for it. I was trying to imagine what a specific subset of Gothic Hippy might be like. Color palette is a bit complicated, as I used to mainly use baby blue, monocromatic grey, nordic green, and red. Combining red and lime green would give you a shade of blond hair. And sometimes I'm not against using lighter shades of suede.
I'm at 8:26, and I must say... Great info, though not entirely complete. I'd look at the summary of Goth Culture given in "What is Goth" by J.W. Thurston (AKA: Gothistorian), and also on their website. They definitely have an expansive view of Goth Culture that I've found to be quite affirming and refreshing, as a melanated Vampy/Industrial Goth type aesthetically, and subculture participant in both, as I make music and have children who lean more Emo than Goth, specifically. The unfortunate thing is that many popular descriptions of Goth or Emo Culture make no mentions of ANY POC contributors, participants of the subculture, nor our aesthetic. And for clarity, I'm 43, and have been called an Elder Goth by a few I've met. I've been on the Goth scene since the age of 14, and I've yet to see anyone acknowledge Melanated Goths so vocally. WE DO EXIST! I recognize that we only know what we know, until we learn more. I do hope you'll consider an update after viewing Gothistorian's book/website/info. Rock on, pplz! 🤘🏽✨✨
Not only are they sweet but they are extremely intellectual and concious if their surroundings. My 20 year old has been a devoted Goth since 2014. Shes not Wicked, evil or Satanic. Shes actually highly scientific.... Shes also extremely responsible and respectful.
I've been just calling myself alt since i fit both subcultures. I enjoy both styles of music, both styles of fashion and respect all people within those cultures. Thank you for explaining rhings for people who didnt know. Btw its ok to be both
@@D1MONDZ if you're looking for the first episode the goth kids were in, it's S07E14 "Raisins" Such a good episode! (both the goth kids and Butters' story lines) It doesn't fit me currently, but I have a shirt that has the goth kids and Stan and says his quote "what's the point in caring if all it brings is pain." Of course I would wear that when I was depressed lol
Yeah same here 🙂 That's a great episode. It's very funny an witty on how it shows how Goth, emo an Vamp kids are kinda different but they all dress the same in black an the very funny an clever joke of how Stan was told, that to be a free thinking individual like the goths, to be free an creative that Stan had to act an dress like them, that jokes very witty an funny, it explains about how not to follow any trend or group but rather to actually be your own free thinking individual, to think for yourself an be yourself that your not actually labelled as anything, it means just be you. Just be yourself.
Also...I'm a Goth but had a GF who was Emo. I learnt from her and the documentaries on Emo she showed me that it was about being emotional and melodramatic, I really hated that part of the subculture. To give her credit she was honest enough to admit that Emo music and fashion is a bit more mainstream.
Goth: Nancy from the Craft, Dr. Fankinfurther, Robert Smith, Siouxsie Sue, etc. Emo: Gerard Way, Davy Vanity, and most of the people I hung out with in high school. Basically, I was an Emo first. I was Emo as a teenager and high school, and then I got into the goth scene in college because a friend introduced me to the music. I fell in love with the music and I am not looking back.
The music I listen to is definitely more emo but man, my style is like somewhere in between, idk, like, I feel that makes it more personal in a way, rather then just dressing emo or dressing goth, cause I dress in a way to express myself and enjoy that, idk maybe I’m just weird
As an elder emo (I'm in my 30s), I started out attracted by the goth style of the spectrum, as a kid I really liked horror and gothic themes pretty early on, and this was prior the 00s emo resurgence so goth was the closest darkest subculture to recognize with, but in my teens and early 20s, I strongly gravitated into emo music, ergo, style, but kept goth style items like lace and corsets. So I think is pretty natural to gravitate towards both. Imagine my pleasure when dark academia came into the style scene and now I could also have the bookish style of my nerdy/academic self reflected on an aesthetic (it also makes a good office style!) xD. You´re not alone.
There are things about both goth and emo culture that resonate with me. Goth culture resonates with me because I have always been fascinated with the macabre, and emo culture resonates with me because I have always been emotional and introverted. I also have Asperger’s Syndrome, which has made me feel alienated most of my life. Nine Inch Nails were the first band that I ever got into, and I later learned that their singer Trent Reznor also has Asperger’s Syndrome, which explained why I was able to relate to some of his songs so well (songs like “Something I Can Never Have”). However, I thought the last great Nine Inch Nails album (and their best album) was The Fragile. After that their music became too political, and I could not relate to much of it as a result. I can relate to songs like “All The Love In The World” and “She’s Gone Away”, but I find Trent’s political views to be really delusional and even paranoid in some cases.
I tend to lean more towards emo music, I think, though I do listen to lot of different kinds of rock and folk music, but in almost every other way, I am a mix of both subcultures. Especially in terms of fashion.
I like both. I'm more into emo music, but I like some goth music too. However, when it comes to fashion, I prefer gothic. When it comes to music, I prefer emo. Like gothics, I also appreciate the darkness and see beauty in it and like emos I love emotional expression in clothing and lyrics. Despite all this, I don't have a specific way of dressing. I may dress gothic, pastel goth, cosplay, dress in fandom, or dress frilly and cutsie. I have a large range and I love to surprise. My fashions don't really tell my music unless I'm wearing a shirt of it.
Just mix multiple styles and have your own cool thing I like emo style rock style and hip hop style Metal style is nice too take the best styles and create your own style that you like 😊
@@imago9059 exactly! type o negative is widely considered a band thats well known in the goth community, but its really gothic metal. sisters of mercy, esoecially the first album, is anout the most goth sound i can think of lmao
I was a former goth industrial and now I identify as more emo goth. "When one has an identity, one has a chance to become a part of something bigger than himself." - BAUHAUS Post-script: Henrietta from South Park once said, "No one understands us." If I could talk with Henrietta for 45 minutes over coffee, then I would not say a word. I would listen.
any band/artist that has publicly said that they are non Goth are not Goth...you know who they are...MCR I think is the only band that is both Goth and Emo.
Emo doesn’t have a look, anyone who thinks that is only a Scene who likes Emo music. It’s a music based subculture, and doesn’t have a dress code, cause it’s from punk which doesn’t have a dress code. Most kids who dress like that are posers who think stuff like Green Day counts as Emo, just a heads up.
Something I've noticed in a couple of your vids so far is how you say these subcultures are music based and you have to listen to the music to consider yourself so... but you can wear the fashion and not be within the subcultures... doesn't that make someone a poser ? Why not embrace the culture if you're gonna dress like people within it ? Isn't that why we dress the way we do ? To connect with others like us since we're hard to find as is ? I can understand not neccesarily dressing a certain way and listening to the music as a valid way to "abel" yourself as such but not the other way around... it just gives fake.
I think there's a weird correlation between these two subcultures cause emotional hardcore/post- hardcore/pop punk music and gothic rock/darkwave music wouldn't exist if post-punk wasn't a thing. It's like both subcultures derive from the same place if you think about it. I love all these genres and listen to a ton of artists, however my fashion style is more like "2014 tumblr grunge" than emo or goth.
Haters gonna hate... I actually have no problems with goths or emos, in truth I dig both their styles but more importantly is the that they're unique with the style both sides bring to the world keeps things interesting.
I have always found emo/s disturbing becasue of the way the dress and act. I am a very hardworking martial artist, archer and climber. I dont use of the fashion or makeup emos or goths use. I dress a lot in green and I am very creative on how I act and speak.
Goths rule 🖤 Goths are blasee while emos are looking for attention. Goths don't want to be seen or bothered. Emos. Seek to be seen. Btw The Doors were not goth.
It's so funny to always hear how people think goths are rude while most of them are so incredibly sweet. Especially older goths always help baby bats (people who just started to join the scene) to find their place. Love your videos! 🖤
Fr. Goths are the most constantly gentle people I've met.
All groups have bad people
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I know this yet the trad goth girlys still scare me
I’m a baby myself and I just got into the goth community yesterday and so far this has lessened my mental health and I’m proud to within it
Turns out I'm a goth in everything but fashion. When I was a teen, I wanted to drees like a goth but my parents didn't let me. So knowing that I am one after all, it's pretty nice.
I'm working on u tub vido on my u tub chanal Greek vampy on were emo evolved from & were goth evolved from
I know how u feel cuz I Always wanted to wear Goth Clothes but my Great Grandma and everyone in my Family won't let me Expect my Mom. My Mom wants me to be Who I am cuz She used to be an Goth back in the 90s.
Just be who you are to fullest. Trust me it’s amazing when you do. Judgemental people need to grow up someday I also grew up in a Christian household. I did it once in 9th grade after finishing football. Cause I also love football. I’m emo. 🖤 but wear whatever you like they’ll have to grow up and support you one day. If not it’s there loss. I dressed normal for about a decade and said you know what I’m almost 30 and don’t care anymore. If they’re real friends and family they’ll support who you are 100%. My mom has a tough time with me being emo and putting eyeliner on and painting my toe and fingernails black. I’ve been doing the nail polish for more than half of my 27 years of life. On my toes especially I also hate the color of regular nails/ yellow toenails to lol. But be who you are to the fullest sir. 🖤🤘🏼
Same 😞 i look forward to moving out cause i plan to make a big party and celebrating who I am 🥳🎉
I remember it explained to me at high school by a girlfriend who went from goth to emo. She said “goths think there’s something wrong with the world and that’s why they don’t fit, while emo’s think there’s something wrong with them and that’s why they don’t fit in the world”. It’s simplistic I know. And yeah to some folk both are just a phase but to others it’s a long process.
That makes a lot of sense tbh
I think the better way of looking at it other than that is one is a philosophical while the other is psychological.
I know that psychology does fall into philosophy. To put in other words is one's about the nature while the other is about the spirit.
This is consistent with their hairstyle and their makeup choices and as well as their clothing. Goss will choose either a crow or a grim reaper type hairstyle a crow will be more aloof more volume while a grim reaper will be more straight and flat and or at least most parts then there's a mixture. Well an emo is more their hairstyle is more akin to being more flat and straight and drooped it down. Supposedly embodying the emotion that's within them or within the spirit.
Both are nihilism practices. And that's why they're so thought of as one in the same. You could say they're two halves of a hole
usually it works the other way Emos evolve into Goths.
Your artstyle is a combination of cute and goth its so pleasing to see
As a teen I never really got to explore my own identity. I had to subscribe to the hegemony of the rural community. My music was my parents’ music, but when I moved out in my own I began to discover my own identity and have been gravitating towards active nihilism and finding place within the emo/goth genre of music and life.
Very interesting and important subject. Thank you for covering it🖤
Recently I've been trying out new styles and what speaks to me, goth and emo for so long have been what I have tried to avoid identifying as and I wouldn't consider myself as one. I really love the goth style and recently, I've been just diving and falling into the rabbit hole abt goth culture. I never knew some of the bands I enjoyed listening to would be considered goth or emo, I can't consider myself to be fully either just because I listen to the smidgen of those bands and dress goth-like from time to time. To me, it's kinda like a commitment to that lifestyle which is why I had such a hard time seeing myself, identifying as one wouldn't just doesn't feel right either. I just wanted to share this cuz this channel is really helpful and educational abt this topic :)
On a separate not, I stick to trying new things out and see which one I feel fits the most and just enjoy expressing myself in different ways instead of just sticking to one way.
This is going to save a lot of time for a lot of people.
finally - i think this video was needed
I'm a mix of both. Even though I knew all of this already I just love watching and reading up on it regularly and reading comments. Your art is amazing btw.
Oh to have been a goth in the early 80s in the UK 😩🦇
To have been a warlock a 1000 years ago pumping up Vikings for a raid into lands that they had never been in before and raided 🕶️
oh to have been a emo in the mid 2000s
@everygoodhanldeistaken real
AFI, MCR, the Used and Panic are actually examples of "scene bands". Scene kids are more in line with glam rock acts like David Bowie in his Ziggy Stardust phase and are usually more outgoing and cheerful than their Goth and emo cousins.
I wouldn’t say scene kids are more in line with Glamrock, than Emo culture, but they are definitely the Glam branch.
Fairy Goths, pastel Goths, and cyberpunks are also brighter shinier cousins.
No I understand why you think that but if you research it scene music is genres like crunkcore, metalcore, deathcore and crabcore scene is more related to metal and punk then emo
There isn’t really a specific genre of scene music, but it is generally agreed that its a mix of hyperpop, rave and emo ig
no ur wrong. the used and mcr are 100000000000000000000k percent not scene lol. the millionaires and 03!0H are scene its very different. some emo bands are associated with scene like falling in reverse, so theres a crossover, but mcr and the used are not those bands
The first MCR's album is pure Emo. The lyrics are literally filled with suffering with hysterically screaming vocals. What is this if not Emo? So I don't agree that MCR aren't Emo band
From someone who was and sill be active in emo, goth, Metal and Punk i can for surely say you can listen to all kind of music, surely you can Identify more with one of these subgenres and also can't identify as none of those and still listen to all kind of music. You can also be a mix, I always tried to mix some themes of the fashion styles.
Because my mind always switches between doing a deep dive in one or multiple of the these subcultures, I stopped declaring myself as one of these subcultures (Even through Goth is still the one i listen most to besides my all time favorite Bands)
P.S. Thank you for mentioning Fields of Nephilim, it's a fantastic goth Band which isn't mentioned often enough in my eyes
Agreed, people shouldn't stick themselves to one label. And even if someone doesn't only listen to one genre, they still might be able to fit in multiple labels
I have always been Gothic, punk, and emo. I listen to a lot of Gothic music, punk music, and especially emo music. My favorite emo band is All time low.
I also know, some hairstyles are different. Like emo is more flat hair. And Gothic is more fluffy hair. Like I'm Gothic, but my hair most of the time is really fluffy. And that messy look.
I'm an artist who doesn't know if their favourite character is a goth or emo. This video helped me understand between a lot better, thank you so much 🖤🖤🖤
Bela Lugosi's Dead was released in 1979.
Ah...yes. Thank you for pointing that out. I think I mixed it up with the released year of Press the Eject and Give Me the Tape. Again, thank you so much 🙏
Right. And in 1983 The film “the Hunger“ opened with Bella Lugosi’s Dead, which was mainstreams first taste of Goth.
The Batcave club opened in 1982 for a burgeoning Gothic scene.
I’m more of an pop-punk kind of emo, but I would love to dress goth as well. Kinda both. My favorite bands are Green Day, MCR, and The Offspring :)
I’m so glad that you people have a harder time defining emo in ideology and style. Less predictable and stereotypical. Emo embraces a melancholy in life philosophy, the human state etc. It’s more poetic and abstract. IMO. All of those categories not necessary, music, style and ideology. People are dying to either box you in or to fit into. Defies the whole purpose of emo in the first place. Again, IMO. Perhaps I’m describing something entirely different. Whatever.
Your accent is very unique, I've never heard another one like it. Where are you from?
its so funny how i definitely draw from both subcultures in every topic discussed here :D but id also like to add black metal. this is why i never felt fully at home describing myself as goth but always tended towards gothic-punk. i never connected REALLY to classic goth music, it was always too soft for me. but i got into industrial pretty early, and still am today. i was never into emo perse but adopted some clothing and optic from the 2nd wave of deathcore and from the metalcore scene which i was heavily involved in at that time. the lines were very blurred back then though.
now today i dress pretty conservatively but still mostly black. some band shirts from time to time.... it all converged into my own style i think.
My chemical romance's 1st album, i brought you my bullets you brought me your love (shortended to "Bullets" is pretty raw tho
I used to be a mix of emo and scene back in middle and high school. I still have that side but I’ve balanced out and added some goth accessories to my look 🖤🖤🖤
Mephisto waltz is a song from the band, mephisto walz
Gee...Just realised I misspelt the band's name in the vid. Thanks for bringing this up 🖤
My old band played psychedelic space rock.
Besides the doors, Pink Floyd & cream our main influences were, siouxsie and the banshees, the cure, sisters of mercy, the mission uk, joy division, new order, U2, tool, portishead,& depesche mode
What about the e-girl and e-boy fashion and music scene? It has more revealing clothing, shaved heads, polo shirts, chinos, ear stretchers and slaps both goth and emo subcultures together. It also branches out into metal and hip hop, something that became a thing in 2006 and made someone like me interested at the grand old age of 15.
Tbh Goth is 80s Gen X stuff from my parents' day and Emo is 21st century social media subculture for Millennials and zoomers. Emo is more street and normie in its appearance, with more worn out clothes compared to Goth's more polished, edgy and dark aesthetic. Old school emo fashion was, well, normal looking. 3rd wave emo was sort of a glam rock/goth fashion revival. Great video.
They're just bringing some aesthetics of those two subcultures back, no real relation in my opinion. Also, goth was still very much alive in millennial days.
@@Lilliathi Goth is very much alive TODAY. We have five Goth clubs in my city, and there are more new Goths bands today than there were in the 80s and 90s. Twin Tribes, Forever Grey, The Ghost of Bela Lugosi, Lebanon Hanover, SRSQ, Boy Harsher, Rosegarden Funeral Party, Male Tears, Actors, Scary Black, DARK, and many more. Even The Cure, Pet Shop Boys and Depeche Mode have new albums out and have been touring. The Goth scene is huge. I am a DJ.
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I dunno, feels like a nostalgia rehash to me.
Johnnie Guilbert is like the emo definition
The only thing that we could probably compare both too with actually in the smallest way possible is that they both came from a music scene and then slowly drifted away from just in styles alone now with subverted music etc.
Then again some have tried to bring things back to it's roots mainly.
I'm surprised, "I Put A Spell On You" by Screaming Jay Hawkins, wasn't held up as an example of Goth music.
Making a crow base fit for emo will be a win
In that case I'm kind of this weird hybrid of Emo and Goth. Although specifically I've been more into Visual Kei, specifically Malice Mizer and Kamijo. But also Candy Spooky Theatre is kind of a guilty pleasure. I found them when I wanted to see how Visual Kei interpreted Cabaret, sense here in US we have Dark Cabaret.
I do sometimes get lumped in with Black Metal. But other than the long hair, I don't really see the resemblance. I would have hair more like my illustration, but I don't really have the hair type for it. I was trying to imagine what a specific subset of Gothic Hippy might be like.
Color palette is a bit complicated, as I used to mainly use baby blue, monocromatic grey, nordic green, and red. Combining red and lime green would give you a shade of blond hair. And sometimes I'm not against using lighter shades of suede.
*Know the difference* it may save your life someday...
I'm at 8:26, and I must say... Great info, though not entirely complete. I'd look at the summary of Goth Culture given in "What is Goth" by J.W. Thurston (AKA: Gothistorian), and also on their website. They definitely have an expansive view of Goth Culture that I've found to be quite affirming and refreshing, as a melanated Vampy/Industrial Goth type aesthetically, and subculture participant in both, as I make music and have children who lean more Emo than Goth, specifically. The unfortunate thing is that many popular descriptions of Goth or Emo Culture make no mentions of ANY POC contributors, participants of the subculture, nor our aesthetic. And for clarity, I'm 43, and have been called an Elder Goth by a few I've met. I've been on the Goth scene since the age of 14, and I've yet to see anyone acknowledge Melanated Goths so vocally. WE DO EXIST! I recognize that we only know what we know, until we learn more. I do hope you'll consider an update after viewing Gothistorian's book/website/info. Rock on, pplz! 🤘🏽✨✨
Emos also like hello kitty elements, like hello kitty tshirts, pants or headphones 🖤💜
Not only are they sweet but they are extremely intellectual and concious if their surroundings. My 20 year old has been a devoted Goth since 2014. Shes not Wicked, evil or Satanic. Shes actually highly scientific.... Shes also extremely responsible and respectful.
So what are artists like molchat doma, mr kitty etc if they sound goth.
I've been just calling myself alt since i fit both subcultures. I enjoy both styles of music, both styles of fashion and respect all people within those cultures. Thank you for explaining rhings for people who didnt know. Btw its ok to be both
I came because of that one South Park episode
SAME IM TRYING TO FIND IT
@@D1MONDZ if you're looking for the first episode the goth kids were in, it's S07E14 "Raisins" Such a good episode! (both the goth kids and Butters' story lines) It doesn't fit me currently, but I have a shirt that has the goth kids and Stan and says his quote "what's the point in caring if all it brings is pain." Of course I would wear that when I was depressed lol
Yeah same here 🙂 That's a great episode. It's very funny an witty on how it shows how Goth, emo an Vamp kids are kinda different but they all dress the same in black an the very funny an clever joke of how Stan was told, that to be a free thinking individual like the goths, to be free an creative that Stan had to act an dress like them, that jokes very witty an funny, it explains about how not to follow any trend or group but rather to actually be your own free thinking individual, to think for yourself an be yourself that your not actually labelled as anything, it means just be you. Just be yourself.
Same Henrietta spoke to me lol jk 😂😂😂
Same here lol
I’m just a Goth kid that would do an emo phase so I have a lot of pop punk and Goth memorabilia
10:39 BILL KAULITZ FROM TOKIO HOTEL IS DEFINITELY MISSING
IN GERMANY HE WAS VERY POPULAR IN THE EMO PRIME TIME
3:57 MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE MENTIONED
8:27 BLACK VEIL BRIDES MENTIONED
Also...I'm a Goth but had a GF who was Emo. I learnt from her and the documentaries on Emo she showed me that it was about being emotional and melodramatic, I really hated that part of the subculture. To give her credit she was honest enough to admit that Emo music and fashion is a bit more mainstream.
the late 1900s... kills me
Yeah - I suppose that means 1908 or 1909...
That threw me too 😅
Goth: Nancy from the Craft, Dr. Fankinfurther, Robert Smith, Siouxsie Sue, etc. Emo: Gerard Way, Davy Vanity, and most of the people I hung out with in high school. Basically, I was an Emo first. I was Emo as a teenager and high school, and then I got into the goth scene in college because a friend introduced me to the music. I fell in love with the music and I am not looking back.
You know the difference between goths and emo 🖤? Goths have “No time to cry”
Because they don’t care. The whole point of emo is being full on in touch with emotions not a sociopath.
@@junglefe hahaha xD thats hillarious and kinda true
The music I listen to is definitely more emo but man, my style is like somewhere in between, idk, like, I feel that makes it more personal in a way, rather then just dressing emo or dressing goth, cause I dress in a way to express myself and enjoy that, idk maybe I’m just weird
As an elder emo (I'm in my 30s), I started out attracted by the goth style of the spectrum, as a kid I really liked horror and gothic themes pretty early on, and this was prior the 00s emo resurgence so goth was the closest darkest subculture to recognize with, but in my teens and early 20s, I strongly gravitated into emo music, ergo, style, but kept goth style items like lace and corsets. So I think is pretty natural to gravitate towards both. Imagine my pleasure when dark academia came into the style scene and now I could also have the bookish style of my nerdy/academic self reflected on an aesthetic (it also makes a good office style!) xD. You´re not alone.
There are things about both goth and emo culture that resonate with me. Goth culture resonates with me because I have always been fascinated with the macabre, and emo culture resonates with me because I have always been emotional and introverted. I also have Asperger’s Syndrome, which has made me feel alienated most of my life. Nine Inch Nails were the first band that I ever got into, and I later learned that their singer Trent Reznor also has Asperger’s Syndrome, which explained why I was able to relate to some of his songs so well (songs like “Something I Can Never Have”).
However, I thought the last great Nine Inch Nails album (and their best album) was The Fragile. After that their music became too political, and I could not relate to much of it as a result. I can relate to songs like “All The Love In The World” and “She’s Gone Away”, but I find Trent’s political views to be really delusional and even paranoid in some cases.
the history is beautifull
I tend to lean more towards emo music, I think, though I do listen to lot of different kinds of rock and folk music, but in almost every other way, I am a mix of both subcultures. Especially in terms of fashion.
I'm emo I have been since I was 15 (2019) I'm now 22
I like both. I'm more into emo music, but I like some goth music too. However, when it comes to fashion, I prefer gothic. When it comes to music, I prefer emo. Like gothics, I also appreciate the darkness and see beauty in it and like emos I love emotional expression in clothing and lyrics. Despite all this, I don't have a specific way of dressing. I may dress gothic, pastel goth, cosplay, dress in fandom, or dress frilly and cutsie. I have a large range and I love to surprise. My fashions don't really tell my music unless I'm wearing a shirt of it.
great video
Can i be emo and goth at the same time?
Just mix multiple styles and have your own cool thing I like emo style rock style and hip hop style
Metal style is nice too take the best styles and create your own style that you like 😊
Goth music - The Cure, Bauhaus, Rosetta Stone, etc.
Emo music - My Chemical Romance, Blink-182, Bullet For My Valentine, etc.
(I hate Emo music)
Type O negative was Goth metal. Pure goth was Sisters of Mercy.
That’s Pop Emo, Emotional Hardcore would be a better comparison
@@imago9059 exactly! type o negative is widely considered a band thats well known in the goth community, but its really gothic metal. sisters of mercy, esoecially the first album, is anout the most goth sound i can think of lmao
Type O Negative are not Goth, poser.
@@thiscorrosion3843 type o negative is gothic metal. and no one likes the goth police cmon man, goths shouldn't call people posers
Perfect video 🖤🫀
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@kjrasaAs always ♥
I dress, as a traditional goth/Victorian goth and at nearly 50 my skirts are longer. I also love black hoodies all my clothes are black
I'm also a wicca, and I adored Charmed, The Craft and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They were my teen and early 20s years
This video is very helpful. I'm a goth who likes both emo and goth music. 🖤🦇
Could've just played the clip of the Goth kids from South Park explaining the difference 😂
I was a former goth industrial and now I identify as more emo goth. "When one has an identity, one has a chance to become a part of something bigger than himself." - BAUHAUS Post-script: Henrietta from South Park once said, "No one understands us." If I could talk with Henrietta for 45 minutes over coffee, then I would not say a word. I would listen.
I'm not even goth, but i do listen to tons of gothic rock and proto goth. I love this subculture though
"oh my god emo's are such wannabe conformists"
Edgar Allen Poe
Emos & goths have a very deep lifestyle though
any band/artist that has publicly said that they are non Goth are not Goth...you know who they are...MCR I think is the only band that is both Goth and Emo.
Can you be emo and gothic?
Emo doesn’t have a look, anyone who thinks that is only a Scene who likes Emo music. It’s a music based subculture, and doesn’t have a dress code, cause it’s from punk which doesn’t have a dress code. Most kids who dress like that are posers who think stuff like Green Day counts as Emo, just a heads up.
Lol I'm so glad there's a whole 6,000 pages on this shit, because some ppl need it lol
Something I've noticed in a couple of your vids so far is how you say these subcultures are music based and you have to listen to the music to consider yourself so... but you can wear the fashion and not be within the subcultures... doesn't that make someone a poser ? Why not embrace the culture if you're gonna dress like people within it ? Isn't that why we dress the way we do ? To connect with others like us since we're hard to find as is ? I can understand not neccesarily dressing a certain way and listening to the music as a valid way to "abel" yourself as such but not the other way around... it just gives fake.
Nice... thx for this. 🎉
what's a Goth/Emo Hybrid?
GoMo 🤣 nah, idk a cool person?
....Also Why Are There So Few Asian Emo/Goths!
....Kinda' Weird!??
I always wonder where the 80s / 90s band '' The Jesus an Mary Chain '' stand now between the 2 subcultures. 🤔
One makes great music and is an important and significant sub-culture within British culture,and the other one is Emo
saspairia though 😫
I think there's a weird correlation between these two subcultures cause emotional hardcore/post- hardcore/pop punk music and gothic rock/darkwave music wouldn't exist if post-punk wasn't a thing. It's like both subcultures derive from the same place if you think about it. I love all these genres and listen to a ton of artists, however my fashion style is more like "2014 tumblr grunge" than emo or goth.
So i am neither of them I'm just moody and like the color black.
Subcultures from the late nineteenhundreds???
I'm totally an emo
Haters gonna hate... I actually have no problems with goths or emos, in truth I dig both their styles but more importantly is the that they're unique with the style both sides bring to the world keeps things interesting.
yeah, I was so EMO. Now I'm an elder emo who looks almost like any millenial out there but in black xD xoXO rawr! ;)
I am a Emo-Goth
10:42 Johnny Guilbert though
Thank you because I can show this to most normies who ask or say such ridiculous things now.
I hate when people mix these up, they look different to me lol
Same,My Little Cousin and Friends be calling me even I'm an Goth due to Me Listening to Skillet since I was 8 years old.
I listen to post punk but I'm dressed in emo.
Years old
... Im a mess lmao Im literally everything on both sides 😂 oml
Gothmo?
I have always found emo/s disturbing becasue of the way the dress and act. I am a very hardworking martial artist, archer and climber. I dont use of the fashion or makeup emos or goths use. I dress a lot in green and I am very creative on how I act and speak.
i was born goth i was born the same year goth if goth was born in 1982 and i was born in 1982 so i was born goth
Some are born goth, some achieve gothness and a few have gothness thrust upon them.
OMG My Mom was Born in that Year and She was an Goth in the 90s
3:58
i honestly got here because of a south park video
Goths rule 🖤 Goths are blasee while emos are looking for attention. Goths don't want to be seen or bothered. Emos. Seek to be seen. Btw The Doors were not goth.
Love them emos
you did not just call the 90s "the late 1900s" you're not wrong but damn
Goth girls: female
Emo girls: female?
Excuse me!?! The late 1900s!?😅😅
1908 - a key year in the subculture, i think you'll find!
It's mostly a generational thing I think. Obviously since Goth was first, it influenced emo...so you could say emo is a sub-branch of Goth.
why don't you do geek & nerd next? jk. or should it be 'nerd & geek'? lol
I'm a young emo girl is 11/2
Goths are Punk Rockers and Emos are Metalheads ....
WRONG