I remember when this emo look came up and suddenly there where groups of teens standig next to our sk8park near the train station all dressing the same. And when you asked one of those groups of teens if they were emos, they anwsered "no, but these are emos", pointing to another group of 5 teens looking the same. Then we went to that group and asked if they're emos. And again they said "no" and pointed to another group. We did that until we got back to the first group :D
@@austinwalker2000 My theory: Those all were normal teens. And they got their cloths from some local clothes store. And they have been looking "normal" first. But then the style of the clothes in the store changed. Suddenly everything was black and pink and had cute skulls on it. And those teens just continued shopping as usual without questioning the style change. And suddenly they all had black and pink cloths with some cute skulls.
i'm only half way thru the video but if he doesn't recommend them, check out some Cursive...especially their "The Ugly Organ" record. absolutely balls to the wall fantastic post-hardcore. just a recommendation! if you want some major skramz/screamo, check out Frail. they're still doing their thing, too!
Hi. I was part of that whole thing in the early 90's. You did a great job. Only criticism is that bands like Braid, Christie Front Drive, Boys Life, Texas is the Reason and the Get Up Kids were HUGE in the early mid-west emo period and were omitted. In fact, I'd argue most of those bands were considered to be a lot bigger/ more important than American Football at the time. I agree that American Football has had a more lasting influence and impact than most of those bands, but at the time, we talked about most of those bands a lot more.
Agreed, couldn't focus on every aspect that long otherwise the video would be much longer. If only I was working on a midwest emo video..... Also Hey Mercedes > Braid for me.
@keeping_it_reality Definitely agree with you 100 percent! I just want to throw in an honorable mention here. Mock Orange! If by chance you haven't heard them check em out brother!
Dude I’ve never heard ANYONE mention “Teenage Retirement” by Chumped before! I bought this on vinyl in 2016 at a thrift shop and I’ve absolutely loved this album ever since. Definitely such an underrated band and I was truly hurt when I found out they were no longer active.
Chumped is one of my favorite bands. I didn't get to see them live but I saw anika pyle's (Lead singer of chumped) band Katie ellen live. They're great too. Thanks for watching!
Really well done video! I love music history and this is one of my favorite genres to learn about. I was in high school during the mid-2000s "Mall Emo" explosion and I feel like Say Anything's Is a Real Boy needs to be included along with the other classic albums you mentioned.
Never delete this. Omg this saves so much time explaining it. I’ve had to make threads on TikTok comments to explain it cause of the character limit. This is amazing!!! The timing is immaculate cause kids are getting into it again now. (It’s winter rn and I’ve been staying at home for months now so yeah I feel this. I go outside and it literally hurts so the timing is perfect in that way too)
Going to high school in the late 90s in the Midwest, we considered Weezer the ultimate emo band. I associated emo with sweater vests and thick-rimmed glasses. I was appalled when emo became what I considered Goth in the 2000s lol
My biggest issue with the discussion of Emo is I feel like there is a lot of emo gatekeepers, like the emo subreddit is kind of a mess. I see people bring up Death Cab often on there and I personally never really considered them an emo band. It's more indie pop or indie rock for me but I don't really care about the label. It doesn't matter imo. But others have to label what is emo and what isn't and its just kinda annoying.
at the end of the day it's all for fun. Everything is emo and everything isn't emo. Like I said in the video, it never made sense to me, to gatekeep emo, punk, metal etc when most of us fell in love with the music because we never felt normal. Thanks for watching!
I consider Deathcab's "The Photo Album" and "We Have The Facts and We're Voting Yes" to be emo records. lot of twinkly guitarwork on those early Deathcab records. i mean listen to a song like "A Movie Script Ending" off The Photo Album. That song is pure midwest emo glory IMO
@@NeverNormalI agree with this take and just would love to watch a more in depth video of the emo wave rn with the bands you mentioned at the end as well as bands like Origami Angel, Save Face, Microwave, etc.
I would like to note that The Hated was a first wave emo band from Maryland, and they basically invented the midwest emo sound but have been forgotten by history. Check out their song "someone." There were absolutely twinkly emo bands before American Football; The Promise Ring, The Appleseed Cast, even Sunny Day has some twinkle.
THE first "midwest" band and also one of the first emo bands ever. Truly one of the best to do it. I think his takes on american football being as important as he made it to be was dumb, especially considering mineral being THE twinkle band of the 90s who had already broken up before american football released their self titled.
I consider myself a true "emo" and I've always discovered so many great bands, artists and different genres but it was never just a phase. There's a lot I learned in this video that I didn't know. Thanks.
Surprisingly, I knew all of these. By it's roots you don't need to dress a certain way however I respect the 2000s emo as to me it's nolstagic. Today it's literally abandoned it's roots
Half way through I went from knowing every band to not knowing any of them. My emo intro was the Revelation Records sampler In Flight Program from 96, which had Sensefield & Texas is the Reason as the first 2 tracks. Feeling geriatric.
21:40, one of the hardest things growing up as an awkward guy was that I could never relate to anyone on how I felt. Even at 33 almost 34 it's so difficult because I know my thoughts and feelings are not part of the norm. One thing emo/DIY/Midwest did was help me feel more comfortable with the music I listen to relate to words on how I felt
As a small town MN emo boy in the late 2000s I was surprised to not hear mentions of bands like Chiodos, Emery, Alexisonfire, Of Mice and Men, Attack Attack, Alesana, Showbred, Panic! at the Disco, AFI, Aiden, Secondhand Serenade, Blindside, From First To last, Pierce The Veil, Breathe Carolina, The Devil Wear Prada, The Word Alive, Underoath, Silverstein, 30 Seconds to Mars, Mayday Parade, We Came as Romans... and so much more but it was amazing to hear about the roots and get so many new music recommendations.
@iheartdashboard The definition applies to most of these bands.. in central MN, this was emo music, it's the music that defined the scene in the mid to late 2000s. Even if we disagree on which ones are actually emo, they all are definitely an important and influential part of the scene.
@@JordonRenn93 most of them were influential, yes. but even if it "defined the scene" in the 2000s, that was also the same time where the label "emotional hardcore" was watered down intensely and began being given to bands that fit the descriptors of other genres much better. lots of bands were given the "emo" title simply for how they looked and how their fans generally looked, rather than their real music. just because it was referred to as emo in the mainstream doesnt mean it was correct. this video is focusing on the roots, not whatever hit the mainstream and teenagers decided to latch onto; so when we're discussing the roots of hardcore genre, i really dont see why bands like breathe carolina would be mentioned. (sorry i think i accidentally just wrote an essay😭)
Super amazing video dude!!!!!!!! It’s frustrating to try to attempt to explain all the eras of emo to friends, because they’re all so different and distinct. You explained this so perfectly!!
brand new is my favorite band, and im glad they were mentioned! buuuut im surprised you didnt mention their 2006 album The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me, one of the greatest emo albums of all time
Perhaps but Jesse Lacey is a massive piece of shit so not sure how you can still listen with conscience. they were my favourite band precious to find this out fyi
The period of time you reference in the early 2000's with all those albums, combined with Matthew Good / Band in Canada and a lot of other musicians in different genres, gave me a standard for 'consistently great music' that all the years since, keeps me nostalgic for, in appreciation.
im surprised you mentioned wicca phase springs eternal and didn’t mention he used to be the lead singer of tigers jaw! people don’t know how important he was to emo
From the way you were talking about the early 2000s wave I thought you were my age. But then you said you were there for the revival and my man. I feel old now 😅 I remember being a teenager in the early 2000s and being sad that my generation didn't have a cool subculture, and that all we had was emo. It was extremely "lame" to like emo back then but man. I just want to go back and shake my shoulders. It was a special time.
I was the perfect age for the 2010s, felt like amazing new music was coming out every other week. I'm sure thats how the 2000s were. Thanks for watching!
Subscribed. I love how in depth this is, without being boring. Gives me vibes of like Scott The Woz if he made videos about music instead of video games
Great video! I do really feel like Modest Mouse needs more mentions when it comes to discussion on influences to emo. Especially Midwest emo! I really feel like those first two albums were so influential for so many off shoots of emo like Folk Punk
My partner constantly calls my music emo and I'm just here trying to figure out why. I don't, nor have I ever, listened to any of the bands mentioned here (except for a little hit of Minor Threat here and there), but my favorite band is Modest Mouse. So I guess your comment made it made some sense? Lol, thank you. I pretty much just listen to 90s/2000s indie, 2010s hipster, classic punk, and post punk though, so I'm still confused.
I got into alt music in the 6th-7th grade in 2006-7 and damn I am so happy I lived in that time when some of the best albums were newly released lol unsurprisingly I am a vinyl collector now. Great video btw.. love to hear info dumping about music any day 😅
Finally someone that talks in a deeper mode about history of emo. For me there's hole in telling his real evolution. Maybe the material is little and splitted,so have at least a landscape is important. It would be great have a real documentary of this genre. Than you very much for your effort!
Great work on the video! Got some great recommendations. Shout out to The Forecast! I remember finding them out on a Victory Records Comp I got at warped tour 05. I went on to see them live 2 times and collected most of their CDs. To this day, I believe the transition between (May you one day) Carry Me Home and One Hundred Percent is one of the best I've ever heard. Late Night Conversation's songs such as Helping Hands and Losing Signal made me want to reach out to my friends more. Glad to see them represented. I plan to do an in-depth video on them in the future. Cheers!
this video is a breath of fresh air to me, i have autism and one of my main special interests is emo music & emo history. so i get unnecessarily upset when ppl mischaracterize what emo is, use the word wrong, or call a band “emo” that isnt because they dont realize its a real genre. so this is therapeutic to watch for me LMAO. keep up the great work!!
I love this video. You need to do more analyze/history of metal-rock genres like these video. I'd like to see especially post-hardcore version of this ❤
I think the notion of connection you describe @21:55 is true across the timeline, but accessibility/internet reshaped the scope. We felt it at local shows around the mainstream boom, but towards local bands who felt more 'authentic'. I'd assume the same of the hardcore OGs or the Midwest middle-children
25:31 - god, I *wish* I did. Instead during my teenage depression I was just barely functioning and listening to Electro :/ I don't think I have any friends who didn't, though. Great video, very well made! Always find passionate video essays about subjects I know next to nothing about fascinating. 10/10!
In all honesty; this video was absolutely mesmerizing; as well as informative, in so many ways. First of all; the majority of the bands, that you mentioned; were straight from my iPod, and are now; engrained into my mind. At this point, all of the emo bands, that I have listened to; made up a large part of who I am; as an individual. And the majority of the lyrical stylings; have inspired my inner monologue; that I normally have; whenever I am, inside of my mind. In a way, emo lyricism; allows me to express my emotions; in a more, in-depth detailed way; that I never could ,before. And to top it all off; the Melodies and harmonies; stayed permanently etched into my brain; and went with the flow of every emotion, I ever had felt. And those Melodies and harmonies; still go to the tune; of how my feel. So thank you; for this absolute EMO musical amazement; that is; this video. ✌️
This is fun. I simply just like the fact of being around ANYTHING emo. I feel comfortable cause other emo’s don’t laugh at emo cause we have something in common, were all depressed and feel and vision music very similar
Get Up Kids is one of my Top 10 bands. Its not cold fall season vibes without their early albums. My middle school days were spent walking to school with my walkman listening to On A Wire. Also Something Corporate were a frequent.
Dude this was a great video! It was informative and easily digestible for a casual fan to watch too. Im Impressed and this is coming from an early 90s punk rock elitist/musical snob!😂 Earned my sub for sure! Keep em coming dude!
This video is amazing! I grew up with this genre (I'm named after Mike Kinsellas, Owen). It's very intresting growing up with all these bands and seeing people my age not fully understanding this stuff. It's personal!!
So what I learned from this is "emo" is a label that was placed on bands without their say so. And "emo" as I always seen it as a teenage emo was never about style or even a super specific type of music. Good that means bands I listened to were just as emo as many of the bands you mentioned. I'm sad none of them were but thats OK we all had bands that had more impact on us.
fantastic video!! i think it also would’ve been interesting to mention that wicca phase springs eternal is adam mcilwee of tigers jaw, kinda clearly shows that connection!
I'm just upset that there's so many of my favorite artists that broke up, died, or got cancelled before I could see them live since I got into this music at 13-14. And then COVID hit when I was 17. I really hope a lot of my favorite artists will continue to tour and make music. I'm also excited to see what new artists will come out, though I've noticed I tend to go backwards in time for music instead of forwards.
THIS VIDEO FUCKS DUDE! now I have a ton more music to listen to! Going to listen to teenaged retirement rn, here before you get super famous fr fr 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
when i think of emo, the things that comes to mind are hot topic, AP magazine covers, Myspace, drive-thru records, conor oberst, Ohio, white vinyl belt buckle and sprint flip phones, DIY acoustic secret shows. lol
I'd say it's a bit negligent to skip this 'screamo chapter' from the video. I mean, it probably wasn't the most relevant thing back then; most bands disappeared very quickly and it was most certainly a controversial part of the hardcore scene; but looking at it in retrospective, and seeing how impactful and current some of these bands are today (some of the most relevant ones like Orchid, Saetia, P.99 and Jeromes Dream even making a comeback), I definitely would not leave this topic out of the conversation. Still, great video! (sorry for the poor english)
This is something I noticed too. This style of screamo is one of my favorite sub-genres of emo. I noticed it wasn’t really mentioned at all besides that one comment that was shown. I feel like it’s sort of necessary for a video about the history of emo
ur so right about emo music going back to being more underground cuz when i see people on tik tok talking about emo bands they name bands like mcr, fall out boy, panic at the disco, and it kept confusing me LOL, but irl i rarely see any fellow alt people and i still get made fun of for my metalhead + emo look (though ill argue that mcr's debut album is pretty emo)
I have to push back a bit on the vinyl sales point. The best-selling vinyl LP in the 2010s was The Beatles - Abbey Road and #2 was Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, according to Nielsen data. In fact, the only album actually recorded in the 2010s to make it into the top 10 in vinyl sales for the decade was Lana Del Rey's Born to Die at #10. So, while, yes, rock dominated vinyl sales, that was mostly classic rock, not anything recent.
I was not expecting to see a Chumped shoutout but my god Teenage Retirement is S tier, back in 2016 I got a car from a relative, a 1999 Chevy Prism that only had a cd player and I made a bunch of mix CDs with (totally legally acquired) music and 2 of those CDs I labelled my Emostravaganza discs, one had all of Teenage Retirement on it with some Dads and Modern Baseball for good measure, Chumped is criminally underdiscussed.
Thanks for the video , great work. I think the early founders of EMO were Bob Mould ( Husker Du ) and Michael Hampton ( Faith & Embrace ) . They both mixed power chords with open chords , often leading to stray dischordant notes that would form random melodies, often in minor keys. The vocals were loud and shouty , but instead of anger they conveyed pain and despair . The despair could be heard in the sometimes sloppy playing , as if they had spent all their energy getting to that moment. Husker Du and Faith would have been a big influence on Rites of Spring . Musically, Beefeater weren’t emo, but Thomas Squips vocals were definitely emo. Also shout out to Squirrel Bait, ‘Sun God’ is such a masterpiece. Big fan of Gray Matter too!
Squirrel Bait were so good. Crazy how young they were too. One of the best of the genre. Another one that I totally forgot about was later period Turning Point. The best bands of the genre were usually the more discordant ones with lyrics conveying alienation and pain, rather than failed romantic relationships.
Left another comment so I don't want to repeat myself but ya husker du did come up. But not much when you search "first emo band" even the beach boys are mentioned in the emo Wikipedia article lol Squirrel Bait is a band that did not come up at all, will check them out! Thanks for watching!
Shout out to Gordon Eipers who was the Downers Grove North photo and graphic arts teacher. He’s responsible for letting all of us use the lab to do photos and print record sleeves. No Gordon, no Man With Gun Records. Also there was a band Target who had a release on Shakefork that predates Capn Jazz and was an influence on Tim.
What most of you are too young or dumb to notice, is that words like “emo” and “scene” where derogatory terms that the uninitiated thought were just common vernacular. Being called a “scene kid” was once the ultimate insult.
three months ago i gave this video a like but forgot to comment. now im watching it again so hey nice video really really good. dont delete it later dude
This is a great video! Personally, I prefer to use the term "post-hardcore". I feel the term emo has been ruined and bastardized by the whole Hot Topic MCR craze that went on. I love how you covered the history of Embrace and Rites of Spring. Some other honorable mentions from that scene and timeframe are Dag Nasty, and the Subject to Change album from The Faith.
Thanks so much for watching! 00:00 Intro 00:49 Emo's Punk Roots 08:13 Reinvention, Rise To Fame, and a trip to the Midwest 12:53 The Emo Look, Mainstream Success and Decline 17:56 The Emo Revival
Good video, but I think I missed mentioning a band like Weezer, which is true that most of them relate it to power pop but it also has things from Emo, especially on their album Pinkerton. Outside of the video, I wanted to make a recommendation if you are a fan of emo pop, you should listen to "Apoyo emocional" by Estoy Bien. Keep it up, greetings from Peru
I debated mentioning Weezer, it wouldn't have been much besides "Pinkteron was pretty emo" but everything else weezer isn't really. Will check it out! Thanks for watching!
I remember being in middle school and when someone referred to me as “emo” I was sooooo mad. It was very “emo” to not want to be labeled. So it’s ironic hearing the first “emo” bands not wanting to be labeled “emo” lol
Great video! Very informative. But I can't help but wonder how you didn't even touch on the MySpace "Scene/Emo" era. For me, that era was hands down the most impactful and memorable "Emo" memories that I can recall.
HAHAHA! at 0:37 , that outfit switch. you turned into every lead singer of every band i was in during high school. imo: emo == melodic punk, which == fast punky bridges, melodic choruses to me, it grew from the grunge scene, merging with metal but keeping pop influences from bands like nirvana. I also think to many people get hung up on emo being short for emotional, because after it became a term for the 'scene' (which would become its later evolution when mixed with electronic dance music) because it had no attachment to that word anymore other than it was the inspiration for emo. A lot of those early bands though I wouldn't classify as emo, it may have been the birth of the name, but the music wasn't there. I'd say that stuff was still just punk really at that stage.
Back then in the mid-80s to the entire 90s decade, emo or emotional hardcore genre is mostly involved with geeky and aesthetic nerd stuff before the dramatic teenage pop-punk girls in the 2000s emerged and turned it into a mess
Fantastic video. Literally, my only gripe (and admittedly just a nitpicky personal thing lol) is the way you pronounced Saosin. Pronounced "say-oh-sin". Again, I know it's a super trivial thing, especially when pitted against the rest of the video as a whole, but just for future reference, that's how to say Saosin. Lol
Not mentioning Drive-Thru records and New Found Glory is a crime. That label may have fueled the mainstream push more than any. Early Saves The Day may have had more influence than any of the albums you mention during that period of time. Not mentioning Stay What You Are in those albums... or The Juliana Theory.. rough. The scene became a clown show when the kids adopted "the look". It was such a beautiful thing from 1999-2003. There was no costume. It was kids in skater gear rocking out to music. Fall Out Boy and MCR going mainstream brought in this goofy Gothic emo element that turned an amazing underground music scene into a teeny clown show. As someone who was involved in the scene as a young adult and in its prime, I'm back on board with the music being made today - there are some really great bands doing it now. But the scene kids era and the costumes and I'll even include metal core as a whole was awful. Dope video tho man good commentary overall.
Great vid. Do you think Heatmiser could be considered a foundational emo band and/or influence to the "founders"? I coukd go either way but would be interested in your thoughts. Also, no Hot Rod Circuit in this history? I can remember a Warped tour circa 2004 where a bunch of the other bands were hanging out at the HRC stage to see them. You shoukd do a deep dive series. Good stuff man.
Definitely could have mentioned Hot Rod, need to listen to them more, I love The Pharmacist. With Heatmiser and Elliot Smith I need to dive in alot more. Thanks for watching!
I’m curious, what band got you hooked on to emo? For me, it was Thursday. I’d never heard music like that before and it opened up a whole world of music to me. Great video!
Very cool - thanks for that. - The music was fresh for awhile - at least, it felt that way. I wonder about Europe - bands like The Charlatans, Jesus and Mary Chain, Bloody Valentine, Cure - and so many more - but that well goes deep. All had familiar emo sounds. I get it though - would be a much longer video if you went down the rabit hole. Music is tities.
I liked Amber Inn and Cross My Heart a lot back in the early days of emo core. Actually when Steve Aoki started Dim Mak Records he was releasing a lot of emo core records, I used to distribute it here in Europe. Also Deep Elm Records artists, and there was a Czech label Day After Records which released Euro releases of some of the American emo core bands, such as No Knife for example, which I also liked very much.
Saying "we're not emo," seems to be among the original, most emo things one could do.
hahaha Thanks for watching!
I remember when this emo look came up and suddenly there where groups of teens standig next to our sk8park near the train station all dressing the same. And when you asked one of those groups of teens if they were emos, they anwsered "no, but these are emos", pointing to another group of 5 teens looking the same. Then we went to that group and asked if they're emos. And again they said "no" and pointed to another group. We did that until we got back to the first group :D
Scene was also a very similar thing who knows lol@@Eryktion
@@austinwalker2000 My theory: Those all were normal teens. And they got their cloths from some local clothes store. And they have been looking "normal" first. But then the style of the clothes in the store changed. Suddenly everything was black and pink and had cute skulls on it. And those teens just continued shopping as usual without questioning the style change. And suddenly they all had black and pink cloths with some cute skulls.
@@Eryktion solid theory
Great Video, Don't delete.
haha it'll be up for a loooonnngggg time
Thanks for watching!
It's just for the quick views
@@jabohonuit’s a meme in the emo scene
It's his video.
its a 15 year old "meme" at this point. probably older lol im sure its gonna fly over a lot of young ones heads.
emo will never die.
also dont delete this i need to rewatch it for music recommendations
I won't! Thanks for watching!
i'm only half way thru the video but if he doesn't recommend them, check out some Cursive...especially their "The Ugly Organ" record. absolutely balls to the wall fantastic post-hardcore. just a recommendation! if you want some major skramz/screamo, check out Frail. they're still doing their thing, too!
@@ghost_to_a_ghost thank u! will definitely check em out
Hi. I was part of that whole thing in the early 90's. You did a great job. Only criticism is that bands like Braid, Christie Front Drive, Boys Life, Texas is the Reason and the Get Up Kids were HUGE in the early mid-west emo period and were omitted. In fact, I'd argue most of those bands were considered to be a lot bigger/ more important than American Football at the time. I agree that American Football has had a more lasting influence and impact than most of those bands, but at the time, we talked about most of those bands a lot more.
3 of those bands were mentioned
Agreed, couldn't focus on every aspect that long otherwise the video would be much longer.
If only I was working on a midwest emo video.....
Also Hey Mercedes > Braid for me.
Texas is the readon mentioned..,,,, 😅😅😅😅😅❤❤❤😅❤😅❤😅❤😅❤
@keeping_it_reality Definitely agree with you 100 percent! I just want to throw in an honorable mention here. Mock Orange! If by chance you haven't heard them check em out brother!
true Get up kids and Jimmy Eat world were THE EMO bands
Dude I’ve never heard ANYONE mention “Teenage Retirement” by Chumped before! I bought this on vinyl in 2016 at a thrift shop and I’ve absolutely loved this album ever since. Definitely such an underrated band and I was truly hurt when I found out they were no longer active.
Chumped is one of my favorite bands. I didn't get to see them live but I saw anika pyle's (Lead singer of chumped) band Katie ellen live. They're great too.
Thanks for watching!
This is a really well made video! Emo isn't a genre I listen to very often, but this gave me a better appreciation for the genre. Keep it up!
Thank you so much!!
Really well done video! I love music history and this is one of my favorite genres to learn about. I was in high school during the mid-2000s "Mall Emo" explosion and I feel like Say Anything's Is a Real Boy needs to be included along with the other classic albums you mentioned.
for sure, I saw Say Anything is coming back with a new album. Very interested to see how that comes out.
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Never delete this. Omg this saves so much time explaining it. I’ve had to make threads on TikTok comments to explain it cause of the character limit. This is amazing!!! The timing is immaculate cause kids are getting into it again now.
(It’s winter rn and I’ve been staying at home for months now so yeah I feel this. I go outside and it literally hurts so the timing is perfect in that way too)
Thanks so much for watching!
Going to high school in the late 90s in the Midwest, we considered Weezer the ultimate emo band. I associated emo with sweater vests and thick-rimmed glasses. I was appalled when emo became what I considered Goth in the 2000s lol
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My biggest issue with the discussion of Emo is I feel like there is a lot of emo gatekeepers, like the emo subreddit is kind of a mess. I see people bring up Death Cab often on there and I personally never really considered them an emo band. It's more indie pop or indie rock for me but I don't really care about the label. It doesn't matter imo. But others have to label what is emo and what isn't and its just kinda annoying.
at the end of the day it's all for fun. Everything is emo and everything isn't emo. Like I said in the video, it never made sense to me, to gatekeep emo, punk, metal etc when most of us fell in love with the music because we never felt normal.
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Death Cab is not "emo". You are right.
I consider Deathcab's "The Photo Album" and "We Have The Facts and We're Voting Yes" to be emo records. lot of twinkly guitarwork on those early Deathcab records. i mean listen to a song like "A Movie Script Ending" off The Photo Album. That song is pure midwest emo glory IMO
Saw the long-sleeve under t combo and was like yeah this legit .
I was waiting for this comment!!!!!!
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My uncle is in taking back sunday :3 he’s the reason i’m so into emo! great video, do not delete!
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Great video
The only thing missing in my opinion is a deeper look into the current 5th wave / post emo scene
that's fair, maybe that'll be it's own video.
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@@NeverNormalI agree with this take and just would love to watch a more in depth video of the emo wave rn with the bands you mentioned at the end as well as bands like Origami Angel, Save Face, Microwave, etc.
AND THE SIXTH WAVE
@@thewackywafflebruh5267 Microwave fucks
I would like to note that The Hated was a first wave emo band from Maryland, and they basically invented the midwest emo sound but have been forgotten by history. Check out their song "someone." There were absolutely twinkly emo bands before American Football; The Promise Ring, The Appleseed Cast, even Sunny Day has some twinkle.
THE first "midwest" band and also one of the first emo bands ever. Truly one of the best to do it. I think his takes on american football being as important as he made it to be was dumb, especially considering mineral being THE twinkle band of the 90s who had already broken up before american football released their self titled.
I consider myself a true "emo" and I've always discovered so many great bands, artists and different genres but it was never just a phase. There's a lot I learned in this video that I didn't know. Thanks.
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Surprisingly, I knew all of these. By it's roots you don't need to dress a certain way however I respect the 2000s emo as to me it's nolstagic. Today it's literally abandoned it's roots
Half way through I went from knowing every band to not knowing any of them. My emo intro was the Revelation Records sampler In Flight Program from 96, which had Sensefield & Texas is the Reason as the first 2 tracks. Feeling geriatric.
Don't worry about it! Nobody can know every band haha Thanks for watching!
21:40, one of the hardest things growing up as an awkward guy was that I could never relate to anyone on how I felt. Even at 33 almost 34 it's so difficult because I know my thoughts and feelings are not part of the norm. One thing emo/DIY/Midwest did was help me feel more comfortable with the music I listen to relate to words on how I felt
As a small town MN emo boy in the late 2000s I was surprised to not hear mentions of bands like Chiodos, Emery, Alexisonfire, Of Mice and Men, Attack Attack, Alesana, Showbred, Panic! at the Disco, AFI, Aiden, Secondhand Serenade, Blindside, From First To last, Pierce The Veil, Breathe Carolina, The Devil Wear Prada, The Word Alive, Underoath, Silverstein, 30 Seconds to Mars, Mayday Parade, We Came as Romans... and so much more but it was amazing to hear about the roots and get so many new music recommendations.
some of those bands I wouldn't consider emo but they definitely played a role in emo's impact on pop culture. Thanks for watching!
thats because most of these arent emo. most of this is post hardcore and pop punk
@iheartdashboard The definition applies to most of these bands.. in central MN, this was emo music, it's the music that defined the scene in the mid to late 2000s. Even if we disagree on which ones are actually emo, they all are definitely an important and influential part of the scene.
@@JordonRenn93 most of them were influential, yes. but even if it "defined the scene" in the 2000s, that was also the same time where the label "emotional hardcore" was watered down intensely and began being given to bands that fit the descriptors of other genres much better. lots of bands were given the "emo" title simply for how they looked and how their fans generally looked, rather than their real music. just because it was referred to as emo in the mainstream doesnt mean it was correct. this video is focusing on the roots, not whatever hit the mainstream and teenagers decided to latch onto; so when we're discussing the roots of hardcore genre, i really dont see why bands like breathe carolina would be mentioned. (sorry i think i accidentally just wrote an essay😭)
@iheartdashboard It's definitely an educational moment for me lol
Super amazing video dude!!!!!!!! It’s frustrating to try to attempt to explain all the eras of emo to friends, because they’re all so different and distinct. You explained this so perfectly!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
brand new is my favorite band, and im glad they were mentioned! buuuut im surprised you didnt mention their 2006 album The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me, one of the greatest emo albums of all time
Perhaps but Jesse Lacey is a massive piece of shit so not sure how you can still listen with conscience. they were my favourite band precious to find this out fyi
This was good. You're a good presenter, and I appreciate your dry humor. Subbed
thanks so much for the kinds words, appreciate it!
The period of time you reference in the early 2000's with all those albums, combined with Matthew Good / Band in Canada and a lot of other musicians in different genres, gave me a standard for 'consistently great music' that all the years since, keeps me nostalgic for, in appreciation.
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Wait is Matthew Good emo?
Please don’t delete this I love this so much! I put my favorite emo history videos into 1 playlist and this is on it :
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Amazing genre recap video! Thanks! Would love to see more of these.
Thanks so much! Maybe...there are 26 sub genres of emo so....
I don’t really like emo but I’m fascinated by your presentation of the history of it as a genre. Nice video!
I appreciate that!
im surprised you mentioned wicca phase springs eternal and didn’t mention he used to be the lead singer of tigers jaw! people don’t know how important he was to emo
I know I know lol
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From the way you were talking about the early 2000s wave I thought you were my age.
But then you said you were there for the revival and my man. I feel old now 😅
I remember being a teenager in the early 2000s and being sad that my generation didn't have a cool subculture, and that all we had was emo. It was extremely "lame" to like emo back then but man. I just want to go back and shake my shoulders. It was a special time.
I was the perfect age for the 2010s, felt like amazing new music was coming out every other week. I'm sure thats how the 2000s were.
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Still having my emo phase at 29 and I’m a therapist! 😂😂
Subscribed. I love how in depth this is, without being boring. Gives me vibes of like Scott The Woz if he made videos about music instead of video games
Thanks so much for the kind words!
Great video! I do really feel like Modest Mouse needs more mentions when it comes to discussion on influences to emo. Especially Midwest emo! I really feel like those first two albums were so influential for so many off shoots of emo like Folk Punk
Good point! If I do a Midwest emo video, I'll focus more in depth on those bands.
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@@NeverNormal of course! I really like this video and will have to peep more of your stuff! Looking forward to that Midwest emo vid 🔥🔥🔥
My partner constantly calls my music emo and I'm just here trying to figure out why. I don't, nor have I ever, listened to any of the bands mentioned here (except for a little hit of Minor Threat here and there), but my favorite band is Modest Mouse. So I guess your comment made it made some sense? Lol, thank you. I pretty much just listen to 90s/2000s indie, 2010s hipster, classic punk, and post punk though, so I'm still confused.
this video is great,please don’t delete it 🙏
I won't, Thank for watching!
I got into alt music in the 6th-7th grade in 2006-7 and damn I am so happy I lived in that time when some of the best albums were newly released lol unsurprisingly I am a vinyl collector now. Great video btw.. love to hear info dumping about music any day 😅
Good Chumped mention. Something About Lemons is STILL in my main rotation of songs
amazing song, thanks for watching!
@@NeverNormal I’ve never seen any of your videos before. The algorithm gifted me this one. I’ll be checking out more!
@@theluvsongwriter Thanks so much!
Finally someone that talks in a deeper mode about history of emo.
For me there's hole in telling his real evolution.
Maybe the material is little and splitted,so have at least a landscape is important.
It would be great have a real documentary of this genre.
Than you very much for your effort!
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Great work on the video! Got some great recommendations. Shout out to The Forecast! I remember finding them out on a Victory Records Comp I got at warped tour 05. I went on to see them live 2 times and collected most of their CDs. To this day, I believe the transition between (May you one day) Carry Me Home and One Hundred Percent is one of the best I've ever heard. Late Night Conversation's songs such as Helping Hands and Losing Signal made me want to reach out to my friends more. Glad to see them represented. I plan to do an in-depth video on them in the future. Cheers!
Thanks for watching! Forecast are back with a new album this year fyi. New song is out. Check their Facebook!
this video is a breath of fresh air to me, i have autism and one of my main special interests is emo music & emo history. so i get unnecessarily upset when ppl mischaracterize what emo is, use the word wrong, or call a band “emo” that isnt because they dont realize its a real genre. so this is therapeutic to watch for me LMAO. keep up the great work!!
Thanks so much for checking out the video!!!!
i’m surprised u never mentioned balance and composure, i feel they were a big part of emo revival. anyway, the video is soo good
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You should do a video of just your music recs dude you’re so cool id love to hear more of just the songs you enjoy id trust your judgement 100%
Thanks so much for the kinds words! Might do one soon :)
I love this video. You need to do more analyze/history of metal-rock genres like these video. I'd like to see especially post-hardcore version of this ❤
Post-Hardcore is not metal 😅😂 it's Hardcore Punk it's in the name
What a beautiful video. You did a wonderful job here ❤
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I think the notion of connection you describe @21:55 is true across the timeline, but accessibility/internet reshaped the scope. We felt it at local shows around the mainstream boom, but towards local bands who felt more 'authentic'. I'd assume the same of the hardcore OGs or the Midwest middle-children
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Rites of Spring is amazing. Discovered them late last year. Great video
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Oh Messy Life, Clarity, Teenage Retirement, & Basking in the Glow were all solid recommendations! Thank you. I hadn't heard them before.
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25:31 - god, I *wish* I did. Instead during my teenage depression I was just barely functioning and listening to Electro :/
I don't think I have any friends who didn't, though.
Great video, very well made! Always find passionate video essays about subjects I know next to nothing about fascinating. 10/10!
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Thanks for shouting out Moss Icon. I found them years ago when looking for bands similar to mewithoutYou
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I love this video.
Thank you so much!
Awesomeness, dont delete. I’ve been looking for this video for ages
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In all honesty; this video was absolutely mesmerizing; as well as informative, in so many ways. First of all; the majority of the bands, that you mentioned; were straight from my iPod, and are now; engrained into my mind. At this point, all of the emo bands, that I have listened to; made up a large part of who I am; as an individual. And the majority of the lyrical stylings; have inspired my inner monologue; that I normally have; whenever I am, inside of my mind. In a way, emo lyricism; allows me to express my emotions; in a more, in-depth detailed way; that I never could ,before. And to top it all off; the Melodies and harmonies; stayed permanently etched into my brain; and went with the flow of every emotion, I ever had felt. And those Melodies and harmonies; still go to the tune; of how my feel. So thank you; for this absolute EMO musical amazement; that is; this video. ✌️
I loved this!
Currently in a rabbit hole of acoustic emo with Dashboard Confessional and Owen
I love new leaves by owen, thanks for watching
loved this video, you can see that you really care about the topic. thank you for making this!
Thank you so much!
This is fun. I simply just like the fact of being around ANYTHING emo. I feel comfortable cause other emo’s don’t laugh at emo cause we have something in common, were all depressed and feel and vision music very similar
Get Up Kids is one of my Top 10 bands. Its not cold fall season vibes without their early albums. My middle school days were spent walking to school with my walkman listening to On A Wire. Also Something Corporate were a frequent.
Thank you for mentioning Park, that was my favorite band in high school. No one knew who they were where I was. Virginia circa 04-06.
Love park! Very underrated. Thanks for watching!
Dude this was a great video! It was informative and easily digestible for a casual fan to watch too. Im Impressed and this is coming from an early 90s punk rock elitist/musical snob!😂
Earned my sub for sure! Keep em coming dude!
Thanks so much!
This video is amazing! I grew up with this genre (I'm named after Mike Kinsellas, Owen). It's very intresting growing up with all these bands and seeing people my age not fully understanding this stuff. It's personal!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think Weezer’s Pinkerton should’ve been mentioned, maybe some wont consider Pinkerton emo itself, but it was a huge inspiration to many emo groups
100%, debated talking about because it would have been a short mention.
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I just found your channel! This video was so good! It’s so cool you brought up bands like Park and Chumped! Definitely subscribing 🤘🏻
Both very underrated bands! I NEED Chumped to play one more show.
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Saves the Day Stay What You Are deserves some love
So what I learned from this is "emo" is a label that was placed on bands without their say so. And "emo" as I always seen it as a teenage emo was never about style or even a super specific type of music. Good that means bands I listened to were just as emo as many of the bands you mentioned. I'm sad none of them were but thats OK we all had bands that had more impact on us.
don't stress on it to much, everything is emo and everything isn't emo. It's all for fun at the end of the day.
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fantastic video!! i think it also would’ve been interesting to mention that wicca phase springs eternal is adam mcilwee of tigers jaw, kinda clearly shows that connection!
Great point! Thanks for watching!
i was shouting “WICCAPHASE IS ADAM FROM TJ!!!!” at my screen during this part hoping he would touch on it! such a great point of connection.
@@loveu22death had a brain fart I guess lol Thanks for watching!
“Im outside of your window with my radio”
Sick thumbnail reference
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I'm just upset that there's so many of my favorite artists that broke up, died, or got cancelled before I could see them live since I got into this music at 13-14. And then COVID hit when I was 17. I really hope a lot of my favorite artists will continue to tour and make music. I'm also excited to see what new artists will come out, though I've noticed I tend to go backwards in time for music instead of forwards.
THIS VIDEO FUCKS DUDE! now I have a ton more music to listen to! Going to listen to teenaged retirement rn, here before you get super famous fr fr 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
haha thanks for the kind words!
Piebald mentioned. Thank fucking god I hate how slept on they are
HEY! You're part of it!
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when i think of emo, the things that comes to mind are hot topic, AP magazine covers, Myspace, drive-thru records, conor oberst, Ohio, white vinyl belt buckle and sprint flip phones, DIY acoustic secret shows. lol
I'd say it's a bit negligent to skip this 'screamo chapter' from the video. I mean, it probably wasn't the most relevant thing back then; most bands disappeared very quickly and it was most certainly a controversial part of the hardcore scene; but looking at it in retrospective, and seeing how impactful and current some of these bands are today (some of the most relevant ones like Orchid, Saetia, P.99 and Jeromes Dream even making a comeback), I definitely would not leave this topic out of the conversation. Still, great video! (sorry for the poor english)
Good advice, I thought about it, but didn't want to make the video that long.
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This is something I noticed too. This style of screamo is one of my favorite sub-genres of emo. I noticed it wasn’t really mentioned at all besides that one comment that was shown. I feel like it’s sort of necessary for a video about the history of emo
ur so right about emo music going back to being more underground cuz when i see people on tik tok talking about emo bands they name bands like mcr, fall out boy, panic at the disco, and it kept confusing me LOL, but irl i rarely see any fellow alt people and i still get made fun of for my metalhead + emo look (though ill argue that mcr's debut album is pretty emo)
I have to push back a bit on the vinyl sales point. The best-selling vinyl LP in the 2010s was The Beatles - Abbey Road and #2 was Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, according to Nielsen data. In fact, the only album actually recorded in the 2010s to make it into the top 10 in vinyl sales for the decade was Lana Del Rey's Born to Die at #10. So, while, yes, rock dominated vinyl sales, that was mostly classic rock, not anything recent.
I was not expecting to see a Chumped shoutout but my god Teenage Retirement is S tier, back in 2016 I got a car from a relative, a 1999 Chevy Prism that only had a cd player and I made a bunch of mix CDs with (totally legally acquired) music and 2 of those CDs I labelled my Emostravaganza discs, one had all of Teenage Retirement on it with some Dads and Modern Baseball for good measure, Chumped is criminally underdiscussed.
Chumped 4 ever. Thanks for watching!
@@NeverNormal Amen to that! Just got yourself a new sub, keep up the good work man!
Thanks for the video , great work. I think the early founders of EMO were Bob Mould ( Husker Du ) and Michael Hampton ( Faith & Embrace ) . They both mixed power chords with open chords , often leading to stray dischordant notes that would form random melodies, often in minor keys. The vocals were loud and shouty , but instead of anger they conveyed pain and despair . The despair could be heard in the sometimes sloppy playing , as if they had spent all their energy getting to that moment.
Husker Du and Faith would have been a big influence on Rites of Spring . Musically, Beefeater weren’t emo, but Thomas Squips vocals were definitely emo. Also shout out to Squirrel Bait, ‘Sun God’ is such a masterpiece. Big fan of Gray Matter too!
Squirrel Bait were so good. Crazy how young they were too. One of the best of the genre. Another one that I totally forgot about was later period Turning Point. The best bands of the genre were usually the more discordant ones with lyrics conveying alienation and pain, rather than failed romantic relationships.
Left another comment so I don't want to repeat myself but ya husker du did come up. But not much when you search "first emo band" even the beach boys are mentioned in the emo Wikipedia article lol Squirrel Bait is a band that did not come up at all, will check them out!
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Shout out to Gordon Eipers who was the Downers Grove North photo and graphic arts teacher. He’s responsible for letting all of us use the lab to do photos and print record sleeves. No Gordon, no Man With Gun Records. Also there was a band Target who had a release on Shakefork that predates Capn Jazz and was an influence on Tim.
What most of you are too young or dumb to notice, is that words like “emo” and “scene” where derogatory terms that the uninitiated thought were just common vernacular. Being called a “scene kid” was once the ultimate insult.
three months ago i gave this video a like but forgot to comment. now im watching it again so hey nice video really really good. dont delete it later dude
I won't haha Thanks for watching!
this video so well made "might delete later" go crazy.
thanks so much!
my emo phase started last year as i turned 28 years old
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The copypasta on your monitor got me haha one of my favs
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This is a great video! Personally, I prefer to use the term "post-hardcore". I feel the term emo has been ruined and bastardized by the whole Hot Topic MCR craze that went on.
I love how you covered the history of Embrace and Rites of Spring. Some other honorable mentions from that scene and timeframe are Dag Nasty, and the Subject to Change album from The Faith.
Thanks for the kind words!
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00:00 Intro
00:49 Emo's Punk Roots
08:13 Reinvention, Rise To Fame, and a trip to the Midwest
12:53 The Emo Look, Mainstream Success and Decline
17:56 The Emo Revival
thanks for mentioning oso oso! they're one of my favorite bands!
please do not bloody delete later I CANT WATCH RN BUT I WILL WATCH SOON
it's not going anywhere haha
Good video, but I think I missed mentioning a band like Weezer, which is true that most of them relate it to power pop but it also has things from Emo, especially on their album Pinkerton.
Outside of the video, I wanted to make a recommendation if you are a fan of emo pop, you should listen to "Apoyo emocional" by Estoy Bien. Keep it up, greetings from Peru
I debated mentioning Weezer, it wouldn't have been much besides "Pinkteron was pretty emo" but everything else weezer isn't really.
Will check it out! Thanks for watching!
Would love a playlist of all the bands you mentioned with their defining stand alone song of their albums. Really good video
Not a mention of saddle creek records or bright eyes? Wow, still a pretty good video, I really enjoyed it
I knew I would forget some bands, Thanks for watching!
@@NeverNormal Don't worry! If you can, check out their stuff. Pretty important in the history of emo music
These are more the ones I was listening to, Cursive in particular .
Great video and great production quality, honestly you deserve more subs. I’m glad this video got caught up in the algorithm, gl bro
Thank you so much for the kind words!!!!!!
Love your train poster in the background. Chicago rules
Chicago forever!
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I remember being in middle school and when someone referred to me as “emo” I was sooooo mad. It was very “emo” to not want to be labeled. So it’s ironic hearing the first “emo” bands not wanting to be labeled “emo” lol
Great video! Very informative. But I can't help but wonder how you didn't even touch on the MySpace "Scene/Emo" era. For me, that era was hands down the most impactful and memorable "Emo" memories that I can recall.
Good point! Maybe in another video. Thanks for watching!
Now I understand why I couldn’t help but be an emo kid being 13 in 2003
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HAHAHA! at 0:37 , that outfit switch. you turned into every lead singer of every band i was in during high school.
imo:
emo == melodic punk, which == fast punky bridges, melodic choruses
to me, it grew from the grunge scene, merging with metal but keeping pop influences from bands like nirvana. I also think to many people get hung up on emo being short for emotional, because after it became a term for the 'scene' (which would become its later evolution when mixed with electronic dance music) because it had no attachment to that word anymore other than it was the inspiration for emo. A lot of those early bands though I wouldn't classify as emo, it may have been the birth of the name, but the music wasn't there. I'd say that stuff was still just punk really at that stage.
Back then in the mid-80s to the entire 90s decade, emo or emotional hardcore genre is mostly involved with geeky and aesthetic nerd stuff before the dramatic teenage pop-punk girls in the 2000s emerged and turned it into a mess
Fantastic video. Literally, my only gripe (and admittedly just a nitpicky personal thing lol) is the way you pronounced Saosin. Pronounced "say-oh-sin". Again, I know it's a super trivial thing, especially when pitted against the rest of the video as a whole, but just for future reference, that's how to say Saosin. Lol
I know....I know...but SO-A-SIN
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Not mentioning Drive-Thru records and New Found Glory is a crime. That label may have fueled the mainstream push more than any. Early Saves The Day may have had more influence than any of the albums you mention during that period of time. Not mentioning Stay What You Are in those albums... or The Juliana Theory.. rough.
The scene became a clown show when the kids adopted "the look". It was such a beautiful thing from 1999-2003. There was no costume. It was kids in skater gear rocking out to music. Fall Out Boy and MCR going mainstream brought in this goofy Gothic emo element that turned an amazing underground music scene into a teeny clown show.
As someone who was involved in the scene as a young adult and in its prime, I'm back on board with the music being made today - there are some really great bands doing it now. But the scene kids era and the costumes and I'll even include metal core as a whole was awful.
Dope video tho man good commentary overall.
Thanks for watching! I did do a video about the last Drive Thru records band here:
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early november! especially the acoustic ep
Great vid. Do you think Heatmiser could be considered a foundational emo band and/or influence to the "founders"? I coukd go either way but would be interested in your thoughts.
Also, no Hot Rod Circuit in this history? I can remember a Warped tour circa 2004 where a bunch of the other bands were hanging out at the HRC stage to see them.
You shoukd do a deep dive series. Good stuff man.
Definitely could have mentioned Hot Rod, need to listen to them more, I love The Pharmacist. With Heatmiser and Elliot Smith I need to dive in alot more.
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La dispute shows were the best part of high school and college for me
A band i never hear mentioned is Crumb. Their albums, romance is a slow dance and seconds minutes hours blew me away when i first heard them.
I’m curious, what band got you hooked on to emo? For me, it was Thursday. I’d never heard music like that before and it opened up a whole world of music to me. Great video!
Cap'n Jazz for the same reason you said about Thursday. Never heard anything like them. Thanks for watching!
Very cool - thanks for that. - The music was fresh for awhile - at least, it felt that way. I wonder about Europe - bands like The Charlatans, Jesus and Mary Chain, Bloody Valentine, Cure - and so many more - but that well goes deep. All had familiar emo sounds. I get it though - would be a much longer video if you went down the rabit hole. Music is tities.
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Wicca Phase was also a founding member of Tigers Jaw and was in the band until 2013so there’s a couple of phases impacted by one person
this is SUCH a well done video.
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This made me so happy. This is awesome.
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I liked Amber Inn and Cross My Heart a lot back in the early days of emo core. Actually when Steve Aoki started Dim Mak Records he was releasing a lot of emo core records, I used to distribute it here in Europe. Also Deep Elm Records artists, and there was a Czech label Day After Records which released Euro releases of some of the American emo core bands, such as No Knife for example, which I also liked very much.
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