The “mall emo” era had a lot of popular bands that had roots in hard core and wasnt as costumey. Bands like Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, Saosin, Underoath, Silverstein etc.
I often refer to this as Warped Tour music. It's wild millennials will spend thousands of dollars to watch these types of bands play songs they wrote 20 years ago at an outdoor festival but won't spend $20 to see a modern touring emo band like hey, nothing or Prince Daddy and the Hyena play a 200 cap room.
I think a very important event on the timeline is the reunion of Orchid. The band many associated with emos full capacity to have energetic, heavy hardcore influence coming back really is symbolic of the way the scene has gotten back to its roots.
I think it's very sad how subcultures in general are dying out. Nowadays, everyone can do whatever they want, so you see people buying themselves into subcultures that emerged due to the circumstances their members were in. The Internet definitely plays a part in the death of subcultures, but as we see here, it can also help them to get revived. Great video. I'd love to see more about music history from you.
I know what you mean, but I don't think it's an issue of people "buying in." Anyone could always present themselves a certain way if they had ulterior motives about entering a scene. It's moreso a result of people becoming more socially detached. Things are less phyiscal and more remote. It's less common for people to fully rally around a single subculture or cause (in-person/with direct action). There's also the issue of financially supporting venues and musical endeavors obviously. On one hand, the comradery of 80s/90s punk may have faded, but on the other hand, people can utilize the internet to discover music they're truly passionate about (without the requisite of right place-right time) and figure out where it manifests in their physical region. DIY definitely still exists if you look for it, and it felt like there was somewhat of a resurgence after we re-emerged from the pandemic. I think it's cool that nowadays people seem more open to multiple lanes of music, rather than being militant about one style and shut off from others, so they may attend a wide variety of shows.
@voidfeast I definitely agree with that. I see myself discovering a lot of niche stuff on the Internet, and I'm very grateful for this. However, I don't like how everything is getting destroyed by commercialisation and made appropriate for the masses only because it's suddenly cool. But as I said, I'm grateful for this high level of accessibility to art and media. Not only from the consumers' perspective but also from an artists perspective.
when they say they like emo but they mean brave little abacus and snowing instead of jeromes dream and majority rule :(( (i'm just fucking with you :pppp
I owe so much of my emo discovery to Sophie’s Floorboard. What a beautiful and thankless gift that whoever runs SF has done to provide us those amazing and almost forgotten releases
the 4th (emo revival) and "midwest emo revival" are not the same thing, bands like Tigers jaw, modern baseball, joyce manor were never midwest emo or influenced by it. theyre just emo, indie emo or diy emo. the bands that u could arguably call "midwest emo revival" are bands like algernon cadwallader, snowing, empire empire! and other bands in and around the "count your lucky stars" record label combining influences from the kinsella bands, 90s emo and just being a continuation of diy emo in the 2000s. people outside of the scene have likely gotten these terms mixed up likely because they associate any emo thats not in the mainstream, and done following DIY ethics as midwest emo, when arguably the only "true" midwest emo would be the bands from the 90s midwest scene.
@@jkteddy77 there's still a bit more to that. the actual 2010 "wave" was touche amore, defeater, pianos, la dispute etc. who would headline and bring on groups like joyce manor, title fight, seahaven, the story so far etc. on tour. those were usually the type of shows if the hardcore-ish band was headlining. if the emo group was headlining, which was around 2014-2018, then those the opening acts would bring indie diy bands like alex g, teen suicide etc. but yeah, i think the midwest emo scene in places like philly or michigan were still small and never really lasted that long outside of count your lucky stars or tiny engines.
Banger video ! One side thing I would love to add is also people like lil peep , fishnarc, lil Tracy , juice wrld that got new kids who would only be listening to rap to discover things related to some aspects of emo culture
the 2000s mall emo fashion came out of hardcore also, notably eighteen vision (a hc band) inspired that look lol. and bands like fob and mcr did come out of the hardcore scene too
@ how so? id be pretty sure 18v had some play with inspiring the generic emo look as we know it today. atreyu probably popularizing the scene whitebelt look more into the early 00s. id prolly like some more insight on the scene back then too lulz
calling 3rd wave just "angstier pop punk" or "not real emo" is hella reductive and uninformed considering the obvious influence 80s hardcore and 90s emo had on a bunch of the biggest "fake emo" bands MCR would never have existed without the band Thursday, Frank Iero had ties to the Hardcore/diy scene, gerard way grew up listening to sdre, fugazi and the promise ring. Fall out boy has obvious roots in hardcore and i think sonically they're not too dissimilar from something like the Get up kids, especially early on. Paramore was also heavily influenced by the 2nd wave. the used, hawthorne heights, taking back sunday, brand new, thursday all influenced by the 2nd wave thats not to say there wasnt a lot of trying to use "emo" for not very "emo" bands as purely a marketing term, that definitely happened later on. Its time to accept the fact that literally every wave of emo before the 4th wave has rejected the term, and there is no good argument to be made as to why one wave is "real emo" when the other isnt, emo is just emotive, confessional, punk rock music, wether it be in the form of post hardcore, screamo or pop punk
It's great to see emo moving away from the hot topic era, both musically and stylistically. It's interesting how suddenly, around 2013, many of my friends who were deep into "the scene" lost interest in Rise Records-core, skinny jeans, and straightened hair. It makes sense somehow, considering how labels were capitalizing on a dying aesthetic, pumping out generic, inorganic releases, fashion gimmicks and a lot of dark allegations involving problematic frontmen started to surface. As a result, many emos migrated to the 90s alt-rock and shoegaze revival that was gaining popularity in the "underground" scene.
"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
I respect your opinion completely and I enjoy all types of emo music but I think that Midwest emo just suffered from having different interpretations of 1st wave emo than the interpretations that skramz took.
imo your arms are my cocoon had a huge role in bringing the sound to mainstream and even refreshing the aesthetic from bands like camping in alaska, flowers taped to pens, merchant ships AND brave little abacus
When we started one of my bands, I had no idea, what "real emo" was, I only knew, that I hate pop-punk and basically everything from the 2000s. I described bands that I like as post-hardcore, post- punk and noise rock, eg. Unwound, the Pine, C.C., Evergreen, Nymb, Breakwater, Far, Shellac, Rapeman and so on.
"Emo" is just as bastardized as "Nu-metal" was in the 90's. Incubus, Papa Roach, Korn, and Deftones didn't sound the same but they were all considered Nu-metal. Modern Baseball, Algernon Cadwallader, My Chemical Romance, and Free Throw all suffer the same fate.
One band... SHOWBREAD. Specifically the album Life, kisses, and other wasted efforts. That is true emo imo. Just some sad Christian bois broken and trying to find love in this bleak world ruled by evil.
as a older gen z (26) i got put on by a lot of emo rappers sampling other bands in the emo/midwest emo scene, barely anyone spoke or knew about these bands and u had to be a real music nerd to know about em, its still surreal that these bands blew up in an unfathomable way due to TikTok because midwest emo music enjoyers were looked as nerdy or whiny typa ppl but ultimately became popular. at the end of the day real music always wins
Can someone give some more insight into how to really split the difference between indie music and Midwest emo?? My entire life going to house shows in the Midwest and listening to my friends bands, I always just would call it indie but actually am not realizing it all sounds exactly like the Midwest emo acts
it's not really split, very blurred lines, growing up I would go to shows as well. Half the bands said they "indie" other half said they were "midwest emo" they all sounded basically the same.
Funny enough third wave emo wasn't even that popular sure it had it what is a popularity but outside of it most people didn't like it that's why it was only popular around the internet era whether it was a MySpace or a warped tour hell on the radio butt Rock was still the king
And then there’s “emo rap” which isn’t even close to emo in any way, the only rapper that I actually think fits that term is Lil Peep, because he would sample all sorts of emo music in his tracks, and even his voice and attitude had a very emo vibe to it. All the other notable rappers during that time were just wannabe sad boys who over exaggerated everything
you could read every biography about him and still not know how to pronounce it ;_)) also can still catch people interviewing him saying pitch-ee-auto (and Guy typically is just 'guy' in the US)
The “mall emo” era had a lot of popular bands that had roots in hard core and wasnt as costumey. Bands like Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, Saosin, Underoath, Silverstein etc.
You forget Thursday
I often refer to this as Warped Tour music. It's wild millennials will spend thousands of dollars to watch these types of bands play songs they wrote 20 years ago at an outdoor festival but won't spend $20 to see a modern touring emo band like hey, nothing or Prince Daddy and the Hyena play a 200 cap room.
@@jjerkamillo I’ve seen Thursday, Saosin, Underoath, and Siliverstein. Over the last year. Tickets were under $40 bucks a show.
I think a very important event on the timeline is the reunion of Orchid. The band many associated with emos full capacity to have energetic, heavy hardcore influence coming back really is symbolic of the way the scene has gotten back to its roots.
I think it's very sad how subcultures in general are dying out. Nowadays, everyone can do whatever they want, so you see people buying themselves into subcultures that emerged due to the circumstances their members were in. The Internet definitely plays a part in the death of subcultures, but as we see here, it can also help them to get revived.
Great video.
I'd love to see more about music history from you.
I know what you mean, but I don't think it's an issue of people "buying in." Anyone could always present themselves a certain way if they had ulterior motives about entering a scene. It's moreso a result of people becoming more socially detached. Things are less phyiscal and more remote. It's less common for people to fully rally around a single subculture or cause (in-person/with direct action). There's also the issue of financially supporting venues and musical endeavors obviously. On one hand, the comradery of 80s/90s punk may have faded, but on the other hand, people can utilize the internet to discover music they're truly passionate about (without the requisite of right place-right time) and figure out where it manifests in their physical region. DIY definitely still exists if you look for it, and it felt like there was somewhat of a resurgence after we re-emerged from the pandemic. I think it's cool that nowadays people seem more open to multiple lanes of music, rather than being militant about one style and shut off from others, so they may attend a wide variety of shows.
@voidfeast I definitely agree with that. I see myself discovering a lot of niche stuff on the Internet, and I'm very grateful for this. However, I don't like how everything is getting destroyed by commercialisation and made appropriate for the masses only because it's suddenly cool. But as I said, I'm grateful for this high level of accessibility to art and media. Not only from the consumers' perspective but also from an artists perspective.
When they say they like midwest emo but they mean mom jeans and modern baseball instead of capn jazz and brave little abacus💔
when they say they like emo but they mean brave little abacus and snowing instead of jeromes dream and majority rule :((
(i'm just fucking with you :pppp
when they say they like midwest emo but they meant capn jazz and brave little abacus instead of mineral and benton falls (i love all these bands btw)
I owe so much of my emo discovery to Sophie’s Floorboard. What a beautiful and thankless gift that whoever runs SF has done to provide us those amazing and almost forgotten releases
as a person who grew up on post hardcore, metalcore and mall emo, I am so glad this is almost not included at all in this video
the 4th (emo revival) and "midwest emo revival" are not the same thing, bands like Tigers jaw, modern baseball, joyce manor were never midwest emo or influenced by it. theyre just emo, indie emo or diy emo.
the bands that u could arguably call "midwest emo revival" are bands like algernon cadwallader, snowing, empire empire! and other bands in and around the "count your lucky stars" record label
combining influences from the kinsella bands, 90s emo and just being a continuation of diy emo in the 2000s.
people outside of the scene have likely gotten these terms mixed up likely because they associate any emo thats not in the mainstream, and done following DIY ethics as midwest emo, when arguably the only "true" midwest emo would be the bands from the 90s midwest scene.
Or a fresh wave of Post-Hardcore across the 2010's, as most of Will Yipp's productions were
@@jkteddy77 there's still a bit more to that. the actual 2010 "wave" was touche amore, defeater, pianos, la dispute etc. who would headline and bring on groups like joyce manor, title fight, seahaven, the story so far etc. on tour. those were usually the type of shows if the hardcore-ish band was headlining. if the emo group was headlining, which was around 2014-2018, then those the opening acts would bring indie diy bands like alex g, teen suicide etc. but yeah, i think the midwest emo scene in places like philly or michigan were still small and never really lasted that long outside of count your lucky stars or tiny engines.
i’ve been into this genre a lot recently and i just love the raw emotion and honesty that comes with early 2000s diy emo.
Banger video ! One side thing I would love to add is also people like lil peep , fishnarc, lil Tracy , juice wrld that got new kids who would only be listening to rap to discover things related to some aspects of emo culture
the 2000s mall emo fashion came out of hardcore also, notably eighteen vision (a hc band) inspired that look lol. and bands like fob and mcr did come out of the hardcore scene too
As someone who grew up in the 90s with emo and hardcore, this is cap.
@ how so? id be pretty sure 18v had some play with inspiring the generic emo look as we know it today. atreyu probably popularizing the scene whitebelt look more into the early 00s. id prolly like some more insight on the scene back then too lulz
yeah 18v def was the first band attributed with the mall emo look, a lot of people attributed them as posers because of their looks
calling 3rd wave just "angstier pop punk" or "not real emo" is hella reductive and uninformed considering the obvious influence 80s hardcore and 90s emo had on a bunch of the biggest "fake emo" bands
MCR would never have existed without the band Thursday, Frank Iero had ties to the Hardcore/diy scene, gerard way grew up listening to sdre, fugazi and the promise ring.
Fall out boy has obvious roots in hardcore and i think sonically they're not too dissimilar from something like the Get up kids, especially early on.
Paramore was also heavily influenced by the 2nd wave.
the used, hawthorne heights, taking back sunday, brand new, thursday all influenced by the 2nd wave
thats not to say there wasnt a lot of trying to use "emo" for not very "emo" bands as purely a marketing term, that definitely happened later on.
Its time to accept the fact that literally every wave of emo before the 4th wave has rejected the term, and there is no good argument to be made as to why one wave is "real emo" when the other isnt, emo is just emotive, confessional, punk rock music, wether it be in the form of post hardcore, screamo or pop punk
best comment i’ve read so far yet. many dudes seem to be stuck on the term emocore, yet the word died out by the 90’s
Nah they js pop
Bands
Preach! Exactly!
Real shit 🤘🏾🖤🔥
@@happymfs8783Shieet frr??
It's great to see emo moving away from the hot topic era, both musically and stylistically. It's interesting how suddenly, around 2013, many of my friends who were deep into "the scene" lost interest in Rise Records-core, skinny jeans, and straightened hair. It makes sense somehow, considering how labels were capitalizing on a dying aesthetic, pumping out generic, inorganic releases, fashion gimmicks and a lot of dark allegations involving problematic frontmen started to surface. As a result, many emos migrated to the 90s alt-rock and shoegaze revival that was gaining popularity in the "underground" scene.
"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
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i hate this copypasta
I respect your opinion completely and I enjoy all types of emo music but I think that Midwest emo just suffered from having different interpretations of 1st wave emo than the interpretations that skramz took.
This man just shidded on all of y’all
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Clicked off this video as soon as I saw the camo hat/ graphic hoodie combo 💀
thanks for having Everyone Asked About You on the thumbnail
imo your arms are my cocoon had a huge role in bringing the sound to mainstream and even refreshing the aesthetic from bands like camping in alaska, flowers taped to pens, merchant ships AND brave little abacus
The kids are alright, this latest diy wave has been some of the most creative in 2 decades
Great video but you completely skipped over “real emo” third wave bands like Thursday.
Windowdusk
s/o Portraits of Past
Credits song is a cover washer by slint if anyone is wondering btw
hell yes to this video thank you for doing this
12:47 that picture your showing is not Kodan Armada, that's Khayembii Communiqué. Nice vid btw
21:15 can somebody tell me who is this band?
0:16 Literally me
When we started one of my bands, I had no idea, what "real emo" was, I only knew, that I hate pop-punk and basically everything from the 2000s. I described bands that I like as post-hardcore, post- punk and noise rock, eg. Unwound, the Pine, C.C., Evergreen, Nymb, Breakwater, Far, Shellac, Rapeman and so on.
unwound is peak, do you like polvo?
Screamo scene coming up in la
fell to my knees while driving watching this video
no u didnt
Real alphas listen to buttrock
not funny bud
@ found the beta
@@joocanot funny bud 🤓👆
True and real. Heeeeeyeyeyey i’m still aaaaliiiiiiivee yeyeyeyeaaaa ohhhhhuhhahoooo
18:15 YES! Precisely!
Ah yes, Tiger
"Emo" is just as bastardized as "Nu-metal" was in the 90's. Incubus, Papa Roach, Korn, and Deftones didn't sound the same but they were all considered Nu-metal. Modern Baseball, Algernon Cadwallader, My Chemical Romance, and Free Throw all suffer the same fate.
What a great video! Thx for educating me on the genre Karsten
they don’t get it…
they do get it
What’s next? Tiktok emo?
That’s just the modern screamo scene
One band... SHOWBREAD. Specifically the album Life, kisses, and other wasted efforts. That is true emo imo. Just some sad Christian bois broken and trying to find love in this bleak world ruled by evil.
Another absolute banger, thank you Karsten
marx mention whattt amazing
Yes I like these bands, Windowdusk, Tiger, City of the caterpillar
as a older gen z (26) i got put on by a lot of emo rappers sampling other bands in the emo/midwest emo scene, barely anyone spoke or knew about these bands and u had to be a real music nerd to know about em, its still surreal that these bands blew up in an unfathomable way due to TikTok because midwest emo music enjoyers were looked as nerdy or whiny typa ppl but ultimately became popular.
at the end of the day real music always wins
Why are all my favorite albums on the cover
the body is trv kvlt mid-norwegian post-musical skrambled emü egg
Can someone give some more insight into how to really split the difference between indie music and Midwest emo?? My entire life going to house shows in the Midwest and listening to my friends bands, I always just would call it indie but actually am not realizing it all sounds exactly like the Midwest emo acts
it's not really split, very blurred lines, growing up I would go to shows as well. Half the bands said they "indie" other half said they were "midwest emo" they all sounded basically the same.
That makes a lot of sense - thank you for the response and a great video 🤌
Funny enough third wave emo wasn't even that popular sure it had it what is a popularity but outside of it most people didn't like it that's why it was only popular around the internet era whether it was a MySpace or a warped tour hell on the radio butt Rock was still the king
Warpedcore post hardcore will always be better than the pretentious Reddit trash
Yall think pinegrove is Midwest emo?
And then there’s “emo rap” which isn’t even close to emo in any way, the only rapper that I actually think fits that term is Lil Peep, because he would sample all sorts of emo music in his tracks, and even his voice and attitude had a very emo vibe to it. All the other notable rappers during that time were just wannabe sad boys who over exaggerated everything
I agree. Peep’s producers were the true creators of that sound.
Fishnarc, horse head , lil Tracy tons of people , saying it isn’t close to emo in anyway is crazy you’re simply wrong
Well yeah that’s GBC, so they also are exceptions especially since the founder of GBC, Wicca was the vocalist for Tiger’s Jaw
u spelled revival wrong in the 5th timestamp
no he didnt
This is a super well researched video. A lot of videos on emo on RUclips have no idea about the history.
However, where is the emoviolence?
real emo ahh
just got all the way through the vid before realizing your my fav guy on TikTok
tiger
Hey man loved your content btw are you looking for video editor?
eggpunk mfers unite
guy picciotto mispronounced immediate fraudwatch
8:35 the venus and bacchus riff was inspired by east bunk hill by anasarca, not pavement
you could read every biography about him and still not know how to pronounce it ;_))
also can still catch people interviewing him saying pitch-ee-auto (and Guy typically is just 'guy' in the US)
26:39 it's not really that way that it's pronounced haha
he pronouced Widowdusk wrong also
you're so real for putting 125 rue montmartre on the thumbnail
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bruh skateboarding is the reason it’s big again a lot of bands are rooted in to the skate scene get ur shit right
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congrats bro
lil peep saved it
real
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