@@jazl5680 what do you mean "real music"? every kind of music is real music. you can listen to marylin manson and britney spears at the same time and still be goth, it's still music, being goth doesn't mean you can only listen to one kind of music.
the problem is that the white egirls who wear black think they're goth and quirky, that's shitty because in being goth the culture is the most important thing, not only wearing black and chains
I see one more egirl that wears “goth” clothing with chains on their pants but only listens to Billie Eillish, Melanie Martinez, and SoundCloud rappers thinking they’re goth and I’m going to go feral
*clap clap clap clap clap clap* I want more of that, Pitchfork, a brief history of indie rock, hardcore, emo, grunge, metal, folk, rap, disco, soul, blues, whatever... I want more of that class.
DEATHBYFLYINGCDS their album seventeen seconds came out in 1980 so yeah they kinda did invented goth alongside them. But instead of replacing them I would just add sisters of mercy in there with them.
There are 2 types of Goths: Those who freely and openly express & indulge, whether it be dress, attitude, or alignment. And those that wish they could, but are suffocated by judgemental, irresponsible ideas from close-minded individuals.
Let me tell you one thing: Goth is NOT about self harm or cutting and it's really annoying when people say that. I have dealt with self harm and suicidal thoughts but not because I'm a goth. Another thing: You can wear modern goth fashion, like pastel goth, nu goth, health goth, and e girl/e boy goth while listening to goth music. No, Lil Peep, Melanie Martinez, and such aren't goth. Not even Linkin Park, Paramore, or Evanescence if you go back to the 2000's (but honestly, I like their music more). Goth music: The Cruxshadows, Nox Arcana (except their music is more darkly inclined), The Cure, Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, London After Midnight, Ministry, Blackmore's Night, Type O Negative, Sisters of Mercy, Xmal Deutschland, Cocteau Twins, Inkubus Sukkubus, Depeche Mode, Rasputina, The Birthday Massacre, The Birthday Party, and so on.
There's really nothing wrong with incorporating aspects of goth into other scenes. You do you :-) one thing I love about today's goth scene is how everyone in it finds ways to make it their own.
Lol "mall goth" I was around when this began it was such a sad time in goth history. Everyone thinking Marilyn Manson, Korn and Limp Bizkit was goth. I do love dark wave and industrial that turned into a whole other thing with edc and ultra evovling.
As an 80s kid, I always blamed goth on Robert Smith. Glad to see I wasn't completely wrong. lol I about died at "The abomination known as Mall Goth!" Every time I see teens at the mall wearing the punk bondage pants they got from Hot Topic, I ask if they found them at a thrift store because I wore them in the early 80s and loved them (old school punk). The looks on their faces is priceless!
I am 17 and goth and never thought of buying the hot topic trash. I rather buy stuff from second hand stores or take my mom's old clothes and upgrade them. I am European and it's no big deal to order from hot topic but it's a wasted of time,money and credibility :)
@@lauramosneanu7380 im also 17 and goth. i dont really see a problem with someone buying something from hot topic..like, who gives a fuck? they have their freedom to express as they wish. ive never been ti the store but im sure i could find something id like even though i mainly thrift or diy my stuff now. I mean think of people who cant afford to buy expensive pieces? Its about the music!!
@@Virgomeowmeow111 I'm 16 and kinda punk. Hot topic has its good side and its bad side. I'm more of an angry young and poor kid but hey hot topic is great for my friends who like pop culture and want items from anime and mainstream comics. Hell, even I like hot topic sometimes, such as that one time I wandered in with my friends and found Iron Maiden's Live After Death album (Hands down one of the best live album ever made. It's that beautiful to me) on a sweatshirt or the time I got a green army style anorak jacket that became a staple in my wardrobe. The bad side is just how cheap their quality is for the price. That same green jacket quickly broke its zipper and is very thin in material, however it is perfect for Southern California weather lol. Although I usually thrift and DIY or buy straight from local artists, you can buy what you like, for it's your money and the product makes you happy :)
Good to see the inclusion of The Birthday Party in the list of great Goth bands. "Release The Bats" is a classic. In fact, all of their songs are epics. Iggy's "The Idiot" is an all-time Goth masterwork. I went to many Goth clubs in the early 1980s, and "Sister Midnight" was required listening. Siouxie Sue and The Sisters Of Mercy were hardcore Iggy fans. They have each covered his songs.
I love how comments on these kinds of videos generally fall into two camps: the people who get the humor and the ultra serious purists who nitpick every detail to death "NIN aren't goth" "Are too" "Are Not" "Are too". As for me I think this is pretty damn funny and I really don't care if Robert Smith's third cousin once removed went to school with Siouxsie's hair stylist. "Did not" "Did too" "DID NOT"...
The Batcave, although an important historical milestone, wasn't that much of a contributor, long-term, to the scene. It was important because there were a number of members of various London based bands that went there, and of course there's Alien Sex Fiend that were formed there. They were noticed by the mass media (based in London), so brought Goth to the attention of the media, but what's generally ignored is the importance of Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Liverpool & Manchester to the UK scene, and the contribution of rock to the scene. We talk about Gothic rock as having come from the post-punk thing, from the Batcave, but neatly ignore the Sisters, the Mission, the Cult, and All About Eve in that, who cite influences like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Blues & English Folk Music, or Fields of the Nephilim, from Stevenage. In the grand scheme of things, the Batcave was about as important as the Barrel Organ or Edwards No 8 in Birmingham, Liverpool's Planet X or the Wendy House in Leeds.
Also, Siouxsie Sioux as the "First Goth"? Go read up on The Damned. They literally were first to do almost everything. They even had their first album and single out ahead of the Sex Pistols when they were a pure Punk group.
I believe you can be Goth, and like anything that you want to like, but you can still stick to being Gothic. You just have side traits, or more to you. And I also believe what Im seeing all over the comment section is very wrong, somebody should be able to like a genre of music that doesnt apply to gothic terms, and still be gothic. Its part of who people are, and I feel like it's really hypnotizing to diss people for liking a rapper or pop star or k-pop or something and being gothic.
La Mali gpths arent dissing people for listening to other genres of music or dressing not to the norm of goth, we are just a bit upset everythings called goth just because its kind of edgy
@@dollienan I get slightly upset about it that too, but there's really nothing we can do about it. It's just what society has planted in peoples minds now.
90s goth was mostly about a sub-scene of obscure European bands, tiny independent record labels and fanzines. I can think only of Swans and Current 93 as two bands that goths listened to and became popular later.
I had forgotten about The Merry Thoughts :) Yes, the 90s was a great decade for goth bands and for music projects within and beyond the goth scene, I remember for instance Sopor Aeternus' Dead Lovers Sarabande, so idiosyncratic and different, it was a good decade for weird music projects.
Lost me at the last part if it was meant to be taken seriously. The fact that aspects of goth culture have been assimilated into the mainstream and are now trendy is just a sign of how dead goth culture is. Same thing that happened to punk.
+Pook365 Jesus does not qualify as a zombie. Zombies are reanimated corpses. Coming back to life with a total reversal of the death process into the state of true living does not qualify as zombification. Otherwise, those people died and where brought back to life by Jesus would be classified as zombies too.
Jakegothicsnake You're not taking into account the almost total lack of scientific knowledge people had two thousand years ago. The people involved would have rather suspended a lot of their critical thinking. They'd probably just overlook their leaders surprisingly increased use of the phrase "Grrr, arggg, brains!!" and concentrate on his even more surprising post death mobility.
even though these girls on tiktok who listen to billie eilish and trap and call themselves goth exist, the real goths and any person with a brain will always be there to remind the world what goth really is.
Before I scroll down to read the comments for a few minutes, I'm just wondering how many "Actually" people there are. You know, those people who start off their comments with, "Actually... Batman invented goth comics and Actually it was destined that Anakin invent C-3PO because like poetry it rhymes..."
A lot of dogmatic goths in the comments section. The video is about the goth subculture in the big sense of the word, not only the original goth rock genre which evolved. Even visual kei are goth today.
Pink Floyd didn't like being called "psychedelic rock" when they debuted with their first LP in 1967. I'm sure that was more so Syd Barrett's opinion of what was largely *his* music for the band at the time. I believe this carried after Syd in 1968 up until ~1980 when the band broke up.
Pook365 Who can blame him?? The second it was labeled and people started talking about it immediately lost its mystery which.... was the whole point....
Me too! So happy they went with one hundred years. Love your channel btw, the video where your dad narrated was hilarious. I'm subscribed on my other account
As Brit who was a teen goth-ish in the 1980s I thought you guys did really well creating this video. To be honest I had not really realised how British/ European was - I had imagined that there were more US bands. One US band I do remember was The Cramps - their albums were sold in a lot of goth shops (in oxford anyway). Also, bands like The Southern Death Cult maybe deserve a mention - they became The Cult and their experiences in the US with the still-underground house scene influenced them a lot - maybe more than you guys realise. It's worth hunting some of their interviews as it will add an extra dimension. But yeah, really enjoyed this - cheers. (The reason I say goth-ish was that some of us dressed a bit goth but also were into other leftfield music as well - much electronic.
Just a reminder that people are allowed to dress goth and also listen to music that you personally don’t care for. People who have the same taste in fashion don’t always have the same taste in music. While fashion and music are frequently linked, they’re not always joined at the hip, and some of these artists I see being dissed in the comments may have been inspired by the music listed in the video. I just watched an awesome video about a rapper who was inspired by Kate Bush; someone’s inspirations may not directly line up with the genre they end up writing in. TL;DR - People are allowed to like things even if you don’t like them. Be nice, for goodness sake.
People can dress in black or like a goth person would. That doesn't make them goth if they don't like the music. It makes them darkly inclined. If one Dresses punk and doesn't like punk music than the aren't punk. If someone Dresses black metal but but only likes rap it doesn't make them a metal head. One can dress in scrubs if they want, but that doesn't make them a nurse or Dr. The clothing doesn't make one goth, and goths will tell someone who isn't into the goth scene that they aren't goth.
it's actually thanks to andi sexgang living at the visigoth towers in brixton, and ian astbury coined the term by calling him the gothic goblin, and calling the women who followed him as the goths. learn real music history.
You could have considered "Proto-Goth" songs and bands in the 60s 'Paint In Black' by The Rolling Stones lyrically 'I Hate You' , 'Complication' by The Monks 'Talk Talk', 'Talk Me Down', 'Bottom Of The Soul', 'Trouble', 'Come On In', 'You'll Love Me Again' by The Music Machine, especially considering their image at the time And for good measure, early Velvet Underground
The goth sub culture has been diluted with many misconceptions revolving around it by society (yes, most likely even by you, the person reading this). We've forgotten what goth was all about; dark fictions, the literature, rebellion, THE MUSIC(most importantly). Nowadays the kids like to play pretend and dress up. Little do they know they're just poorly imitating what they think they are. Edit: *Also this video is mostly inaccurate* and seemingly based off a standard view of what goth is. Whoever created this video wasn't looking deep enough into the subject, but merely surfacing with research. *(This is another reason why the goth culture is so messy today, people are poorly informed about it)*
And even by you. Goth is just a music subculture, it's not about rebellion. As for literature you are confusing goth and gothic as the same thing when it's not. Also goth isn't a fashion subculture or a state of mind.
I am a more traditional goth. I love the classical goth bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Cure, The Cruxshadows, Alien Sex Fiend, The Sisters of Mercy, Skinny Puppy, and lots of other bands.
While the gothic scene was popular in the 90s (I was in it,) NIN wasn't a contemporary gothic artist. More acts like London After Midnight, and Miranda Sex Garden. Nine Inch Nails fans were called "NINnies," as an insult in the scene. Mostly, an accurate video other than that, and the end.
But just because a bunch of purists who don't understand the connection between Industrial and Darkwave say it doesn't make it not true. They don't sound anything like the other bands but their early work did have an element of Darkwave in it.
@@tommythecat7752 I think he's stating that NIN simply were not a goth band. They were a dark sounding band that people stated were goth and that the mall goths gravitated towards. Funny enough it is around this time that goth began to end because record producers, journalists, black metal fans, emos etc misused the term which destroyed its meaning and identity. Even to this day goth is considered an insult even in nightclubs where they only play goth rock ha ha.
prying eyes WHAT!?!!? Nine inch nails isn’t a gothic band. Where you get your information from? Also what’s a gothic scene? you do know gothic and goth are two different things.
@@invader4life36 NIN are not goth because they're not goth rock. They're industrial. Goths listened to goth rock、grungers listened to grunge 、metal heads listen to metal. The music comes first then the subculture.
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1:00- Wilderness by Joy Division
1:16- Bela Lugosi's Dead by Bauhaus
1:36- One Hundred Years by The Cure
2:15- Everyday is Like Halloween by Ministry
That Ministry song, when I heard it, I'd have never believed it was Ministry back in the day. It's so different from Psalm 69.
THANKYOU!😆
Thank u !!!
Wilderness is one of the best on that album
goth bless you
Okay. Time to do this for every genre. You got yourself into this, Pitchfork.
James Montegomery they only cover the degenerate genres
NU METAL NU METAL NU METAL NU METAL
Classic Pinball Dubstep is next then.
vaporwave
James Montegomery I am goth 💀
#1 Edgar Allen Poe
#2 Howard Phillips Lovecraft
#3 Siouxsie Sioux
#4 Ian Curtis (Dank Racc)
#5 Horace Walpole (Kid Sunyata)
#6 Egyptian Pharaohs
#0 Mary Shelley
0.0 Peter murphy
Calla Antoinette not for ian curtis, he broke the record
#4 Ian Curtis ... i think
@Kid Sunyata If you go back that far then the first Pharaoh, Djoser would be because all the Egyptians were kind of goth looking.
Darth Vader is goth
Kriss Diasp so goth!
and Kylo Ren is emo
Ace in Spades exactly
Duh
Does he listen to goth music? If no, then he's not goth (according to the comments here)
Now we have 16 year old white girls who think liking toopoor and lana del rey makes them goth :/
Right and they don't even know the real music it's sad I'm sick of people calling me emo , I'm goth
ppl who listen to lana del rey still can be goth, but listening to lana del rey doesn't make you goth
@@jazl5680 what do you mean "real music"? every kind of music is real music. you can listen to marylin manson and britney spears at the same time and still be goth, it's still music, being goth doesn't mean you can only listen to one kind of music.
the problem is that the white egirls who wear black think they're goth and quirky, that's shitty because in being goth the culture is the most important thing, not only wearing black and chains
That's really sad
It doesn't matter if we all die.
Jasmine Graves I think I'm in fucking love.
Ambition in the back of a black car!
😟
Jasmine Graves no I’m not
Jasmine Graves death is goth
Edgar Allen Poe was the original goth
steelblooded68 I think you mean Nightpain
well the goths were the original goths.
The Visigoths?
Pinneapples under the c how?
Pinneapples under the c you mean POE-ser
Bela Lugosi's Dead, a masterpiece, indeed.
But is he? Dead? Or is he sat on some island drinking wine with Bowie!!!
Undead
I love She’s In Parties too
Yup
Goth still means something very specific.
I see one more egirl that wears “goth” clothing with chains on their pants but only listens to Billie Eillish, Melanie Martinez, and SoundCloud rappers thinking they’re goth and I’m going to go feral
Pfft posers *hair flip*
Billy Eyelash and Meanie Martini
@Vuidesu Yikes. E-girls are the new type in my opinion. I also listen to Billie Eilish :P
I listen to metal and melanie martinez lol and im Goth
No you're not poser
Mall goths would never wear an unknown pleasures shirt.
sure they would. the internet has been very good to joy division.
Hot Topic totally carries the JDUP shirt
It's a meme within itself. Owning an unknown pleasure shirt is an outward expression of being basic now, unless you owned it at the time
*clap clap clap clap clap clap* I want more of that, Pitchfork, a brief history of indie rock, hardcore, emo, grunge, metal, folk, rap, disco, soul, blues, whatever... I want more of that class.
Felipe Talking about how emotive hardcore originated from punk would be great.
ANTHONY EVERHART they both suck
there's bbc documentaries that do a much better job explaining that stuff than pitchfork media.
talktal LINKS please
Felipe I second this.
My epilsepsy got triggered when he started flashing the lights
😔💔
Yeah why no warning?
@@SorceressWitchboohoo
Goth's dead ...
Undead
Undead
Undead
Yes
luv
Should've seen it coming but I didn't nice one!
RolandAshcroft OH SHIIIITT
bauhaus
4 bands that invented goth: Bauhaus, The Cure, Joy Division, Siouxsie. Everything else seems to practically come from these mentioned.
Eh not so much the cure, replace the cure with The Sisters of Mercy
DEATHBYFLYINGCDS their album seventeen seconds came out in 1980 so yeah they kinda did invented goth alongside them. But instead of replacing them I would just add sisters of mercy in there with them.
There are 2 types of Goths: Those who freely and openly express & indulge, whether it be dress, attitude, or alignment. And those that wish they could, but are suffocated by judgemental, irresponsible ideas from close-minded individuals.
Yeah,due to inconsiderate employers! lol
Or uber-fundamental parents, if they're from the younger crowd.
Im the second one
demonweber666
demonweber666
picasso is dead
Ace child that is a good one
So is Bela Lugosi
Chuck Berry is dead.
John Wayne is dead. But that's okay. John Wayne was a nazi.
Isn't that so funny?
Let me tell you one thing:
Goth is NOT about self harm or cutting and it's really annoying when people say that. I have dealt with self harm and suicidal thoughts but not because I'm a goth.
Another thing:
You can wear modern goth fashion, like pastel goth, nu goth, health goth, and e girl/e boy goth while listening to goth music.
No, Lil Peep, Melanie Martinez, and such aren't goth. Not even Linkin Park, Paramore, or Evanescence if you go back to the 2000's (but honestly, I like their music more).
Goth music: The Cruxshadows, Nox Arcana (except their music is more darkly inclined), The Cure, Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, London After Midnight, Ministry, Blackmore's Night, Type O Negative, Sisters of Mercy, Xmal Deutschland, Cocteau Twins, Inkubus Sukkubus, Depeche Mode, Rasputina, The Birthday Massacre, The Birthday Party, and so on.
i agree with you so much
If Ministry is “goth” then that means goth is a broader category that can also include industrial and metal music.
Marilyn Manson is goth too:)
Don't forget The Mission and All About Eve!
Yes, mental health/suicidal thoughts do not correlate with style and expression
The kid in the top hat pronouncing the X in Siouxsie was a clever touch, you rascals.
+Batty Babe Definitely very great pronunciation. I always thought it was Susie xD
There's really nothing wrong with incorporating aspects of goth into other scenes. You do you :-) one thing I love about today's goth scene is how everyone in it finds ways to make it their own.
Indeed, but it those are other scenes not goth
DO BRIEF HISTORY OF SHOEGAZE
Yeeesss, I need to revisit the shoegaze genre. I really love lush, but I’m don’t know anything about the beginnings of this genre
@@olivelime9493 I don't know much about the beginnings either, but I have heard that the Cure's Pornography had a large influence on the genre
My bloody valentine the end
Yes please
Pleasantly surprised by the Christian Death reference
right
Indeed, I was surprised too! took me right back to High school!
that's awesome, i'm currently in high school right now hahaha
same!
also what surprised me is when they mentioned the cocteau twins
Death and despair! Death and despair!
No way no way no way.
No wayyyyyyyyy
Goth isn't only death and despair. South Park is funny, but real goths isn't like their goths.
FRISHR real goth’s aren’t like south park’s goth’s
FRISHR Ew Larry you spit on me
Lol "mall goth" I was around when this began it was such a sad time in goth history. Everyone thinking Marilyn Manson, Korn and Limp Bizkit was goth. I do love dark wave and industrial that turned into a whole other thing with edc and ultra evovling.
Ryan Singrossi That's adorably undead. I basically think Marilyn Manson is a goth, mostly because of his style ^.^
@@lunakei404 goth is about the music, without the music there is no goth, and thus manson isn't goth
@@lunakei404 why do people into anime think anything goth
"Kanye is goth"
2019: er... No, he is a christian now
In some way Goth is very christian
You can be goth and christian
That Cradle Of Filth shirt says otherwise lol
uh why is your whole generation styled like how we grew up
you good ??
Fantastic! Historically accurate and hilarious.
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I like the _Home Movies/ Bob's Burgers_ -like earnestness with the character animation. Nice work.
Visigoths, Ostrogoths were fierce warriors.
thnks.
Yo...they didn't sit around writing bad poetry and bitching about how misunderstood they are by society!
Sarah Gray yeah you're they got of their asses and sacked rome man what happened to the good old days
"Weren't they church builders?"
No and yes. But those Gothic churches were just named after the original Goths.
As an 80s kid, I always blamed goth on Robert Smith. Glad to see I wasn't completely wrong. lol
I about died at "The abomination known as Mall Goth!" Every time I see teens at the mall wearing the punk bondage pants they got from Hot Topic, I ask if they found them at a thrift store because I wore them in the early 80s and loved them (old school punk). The looks on their faces is priceless!
I am 17 and goth and never thought of buying the hot topic trash. I rather buy stuff from second hand stores or take my mom's old clothes and upgrade them. I am European and it's no big deal to order from hot topic but it's a wasted of time,money and credibility :)
@@lauramosneanu7380 im also 17 and goth. i dont really see a problem with someone buying something from hot topic..like, who gives a fuck? they have their freedom to express as they wish. ive never been ti the store but im sure i could find something id like even though i mainly thrift or diy my stuff now. I mean think of people who cant afford to buy expensive pieces? Its about the music!!
@@Virgomeowmeow111 I'm 16 and kinda punk. Hot topic has its good side and its bad side. I'm more of an angry young and poor kid but hey hot topic is great for my friends who like pop culture and want items from anime and mainstream comics. Hell, even I like hot topic sometimes, such as that one time I wandered in with my friends and found Iron Maiden's Live After Death album (Hands down one of the best live album ever made. It's that beautiful to me) on a sweatshirt or the time I got a green army style anorak jacket that became a staple in my wardrobe. The bad side is just how cheap their quality is for the price. That same green jacket quickly broke its zipper and is very thin in material, however it is perfect for Southern California weather lol. Although I usually thrift and DIY or buy straight from local artists, you can buy what you like, for it's your money and the product makes you happy :)
@@xoblitz9038 agreed 100%. Thanks for the insight :))
Funny, I always blamed Rozz Williams.
Good to see the inclusion of The Birthday Party in the list of great Goth bands.
"Release The Bats" is a classic. In fact, all of their songs are epics.
Iggy's "The Idiot" is an all-time Goth masterwork. I went to many Goth clubs in
the early 1980s, and "Sister Midnight" was required listening.
Siouxie Sue and The Sisters Of Mercy were hardcore Iggy fans.
They have each covered his songs.
Funny that they mention The Birthday Party (Which are Goth 101) but use previous bands Boys Next Door 'Door Door' cover as an illustration though...
& Ian Curtis hung himself to 'The Idiot'...
Great point. Yet another way Jim led the charge.
joy division.... oh lord... i used to be obssesed with those guys
what happened? they're still just as great now as they were back then.
krimson Why you USED to? You downgraded taste in music too!? Like my friends!? Oh god no I am always sticking to them
krimson joy division will be an example what not to do when you’re eighteen if you fall in love
I love how comments on these kinds of videos generally fall into two camps: the people who get the humor and the ultra serious purists who nitpick every detail to death "NIN aren't goth" "Are too" "Are Not" "Are too". As for me I think this is pretty damn funny and I really don't care if Robert Smith's third cousin once removed went to school with Siouxsie's hair stylist. "Did not" "Did too" "DID NOT"...
tmo
some people just don't understand when someone is joking
Baron Samedi To me that's sad. Nitpicking every little detail takes a lot of the fun out of life.
agreed
Baron Samedi Great name!!
HAHAHAHA i actually made a report at 8th grade about the goth subculture
p.s:why the batcave was not included? :/
Omg I LOVE you
Probably because they haven't heard of speciemen and they didn't mention them if they mentioned specimen then they would of mention the batcave.
The Batcave, although an important historical milestone, wasn't that much of a contributor, long-term, to the scene. It was important because there were a number of members of various London based bands that went there, and of course there's Alien Sex Fiend that were formed there. They were noticed by the mass media (based in London), so brought Goth to the attention of the media, but what's generally ignored is the importance of Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield, Liverpool & Manchester to the UK scene, and the contribution of rock to the scene. We talk about Gothic rock as having come from the post-punk thing, from the Batcave, but neatly ignore the Sisters, the Mission, the Cult, and All About Eve in that, who cite influences like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Blues & English Folk Music, or Fields of the Nephilim, from Stevenage. In the grand scheme of things, the Batcave was about as important as the Barrel Organ or Edwards No 8 in Birmingham, Liverpool's Planet X or the Wendy House in Leeds.
(and I say this as one who was active in & thoroughly loved the later scene in London in the late 90s/early 00s)
Also, Siouxsie Sioux as the "First Goth"? Go read up on The Damned. They literally were first to do almost everything. They even had their first album and single out ahead of the Sex Pistols when they were a pure Punk group.
I believe you can be Goth, and like anything that you want to like, but you can still stick to being Gothic. You just have side traits, or more to you.
And I also believe what Im seeing all over the comment section is very wrong, somebody should be able to like a genre of music that doesnt apply to gothic terms, and still be gothic. Its part of who people are, and I feel like it's really hypnotizing to diss people for liking a rapper or pop star or k-pop or something and being gothic.
La Mali gpths arent dissing people for listening to other genres of music or dressing not to the norm of goth, we are just a bit upset everythings called goth just because its kind of edgy
@@dollienan I get slightly upset about it that too, but there's really nothing we can do about it. It's just what society has planted in peoples minds now.
La Mali yea, it's wack. But I will continue to educate if asked etc.
THANK U
The only rule to goth is the music, you can listen to any.music you want, as long as one is gothic rock or darkwave
Epilepsy warning:
2:12
Matthew O'Regan tell that to ian curtis
GomaPlayzYT under rated comment
90s goth was mostly about a sub-scene of obscure European bands, tiny independent record labels and fanzines. I can think only of Swans and Current 93 as two bands that goths listened to and became popular later.
c93 never reached swans' level of popularity though.
I had forgotten about The Merry Thoughts :) Yes, the 90s was a great decade for goth bands and for music projects within and beyond the goth scene, I remember for instance Sopor Aeternus' Dead Lovers Sarabande, so idiosyncratic and different, it was a good decade for weird music projects.
Type O Negative? Even Coal Chamber leaned more towards gothic metal after their first album.
Philip Whitehead Type O Negative kicks so much ass, it made me shit blood.
Max Power Type of negative is one of the only bands that fused hardcover and goth well. Twitching tongues is like a modern version of TON.
1:58 everyone has been thru this shit at least once in their life .
Lost me at the last part if it was meant to be taken seriously. The fact that aspects of goth culture have been assimilated into the mainstream and are now trendy is just a sign of how dead goth culture is. Same thing that happened to punk.
Same thing for many MANY genres of music. Face it: musical subcultures are a dying breed if not dead already.
IT was all sarcasm as of NIN being mentioned
"That musical wavy lines shirt! SOLD HERE!" I laughted so hard whit that
I’m a mall goth who loves his nü-metal but Souxie and the Cure is love 💕
"Mall goth" is a pejorative term we goths made to make fun of you all
jesus was the first goth
randomlygeneratedusername Zombies are not goths...
+Pook365 Jesus does not qualify as a zombie. Zombies are reanimated corpses. Coming back to life with a total reversal of the death process into the state of true living does not qualify as zombification. Otherwise, those people died and where brought back to life by Jesus would be classified as zombies too.
Jakegothicsnake You're not taking into account the almost total lack of scientific knowledge people had two thousand years ago.
The people involved would have rather suspended a lot of their critical thinking.
They'd probably just overlook their leaders surprisingly increased use of the phrase "Grrr, arggg, brains!!" and concentrate on his even more surprising post death mobility.
Wow, you are just gone........
No, Nyx/Nox Goddess of the Night was the first goth.
Adorable. Who animated this ?
thanks! Me! follow my channel for more :)
+Joren Cull
Stay brown.
Your mom did. Last night.
A brief history of punk
Who else had 50 seizures when that one guy started flicking the lights on and off?
Bastian Senft ian curtis wouldn’t be proud
even though these girls on tiktok who listen to billie eilish and trap and call themselves goth exist, the real goths and any person with a brain will always be there to remind the world what goth really is.
And get called an elitist gatekeeper and a poser for doing so! 🤣
I fully support this and welcome more videos like it for other genres, as well.
Cocteau Twins. Thanks for mentioning them.
Gabby James yaaass
Before I scroll down to read the comments for a few minutes, I'm just wondering how many "Actually" people there are. You know, those people who start off their comments with, "Actually... Batman invented goth comics and Actually it was destined that Anakin invent C-3PO because like poetry it rhymes..."
_Actually_ ...
:3
A Brief history of Punk!!!!!!!!
please
DolandReadings everyone calls me emo but that's a totally different style and genre
and metal
@@zachbohemian they did metal already
@@zachbohemian I've seen you everywhere
Fuckin love The Cure, Joy Division, Siouxie & The Banshees, Bauhaus, & Marilyn Manson
A lot of dogmatic goths in the comments section. The video is about the goth subculture in the big sense of the word, not only the original goth rock genre which evolved. Even visual kei are goth today.
JimmyCos
Whoooosh! 🤣
The cure, the best
mj127871 Robert's always insisted they were never goths...but what would he know!!! :)
Robert Smith is God not Goth
Pink Floyd didn't like being called "psychedelic rock" when they debuted with their first LP in 1967. I'm sure that was more so Syd Barrett's opinion of what was largely *his* music for the band at the time. I believe this carried after Syd in 1968 up until ~1980 when the band broke up.
mj127871 el ISO y la la mañana tiene mucha que sñññgį
Pook365 Who can blame him?? The second it was labeled and people started talking about it immediately lost its mystery which.... was the whole point....
I appreciate that they played the darker side of Cure and Ministry.
Me too! So happy they went with one hundred years. Love your channel btw, the video where your dad narrated was hilarious. I'm subscribed on my other account
As Brit who was a teen goth-ish in the 1980s I thought you guys did really well creating this video. To be honest I had not really realised how British/ European was - I had imagined that there were more US bands. One US band I do remember was The Cramps - their albums were sold in a lot of goth shops (in oxford anyway). Also, bands like The Southern Death Cult maybe deserve a mention - they became The Cult and their experiences in the US with the still-underground house scene influenced them a lot - maybe more than you guys realise. It's worth hunting some of their interviews as it will add an extra dimension. But yeah, really enjoyed this - cheers. (The reason I say goth-ish was that some of us dressed a bit goth but also were into other leftfield music as well - much electronic.
I love how the infamous Unknown Pleasures shirt just keeps reappearing throughout the video
Just a reminder that people are allowed to dress goth and also listen to music that you personally don’t care for. People who have the same taste in fashion don’t always have the same taste in music. While fashion and music are frequently linked, they’re not always joined at the hip, and some of these artists I see being dissed in the comments may have been inspired by the music listed in the video. I just watched an awesome video about a rapper who was inspired by Kate Bush; someone’s inspirations may not directly line up with the genre they end up writing in.
TL;DR - People are allowed to like things even if you don’t like them. Be nice, for goodness sake.
People can dress in black or like a goth person would. That doesn't make them goth if they don't like the music. It makes them darkly inclined.
If one Dresses punk and doesn't like punk music than the aren't punk. If someone Dresses black metal but but only likes rap it doesn't make them a metal head.
One can dress in scrubs if they want, but that doesn't make them a nurse or Dr.
The clothing doesn't make one goth, and goths will tell someone who isn't into the goth scene that they aren't goth.
@@KimiChanJapan True.
I swear I flipping love these and who ever animates these
I like the hijabi among the audience, thank you for including us 🥰
“Kanye is definitely goth”
- that one goth kid in the video with the fishnets
This is one of my favourite ever RUclips videos now. Thank you for this phenomenal creation
Just fell in love with The Cure, I’m totally addicted ✌🏻
Loved this. The animation, expressions and mannerisms were spot on. I felt like I was in a class I hated again. 😂
it's actually thanks to andi sexgang living at the visigoth towers in brixton, and ian astbury coined the term by calling him the gothic goblin, and calling the women who followed him as the goths. learn real music history.
Someone who knows what they're talking about
SFBayArea Class of 1984 here. Very entertaining and quite accurate. Chefs kiss for the Windows blue screen of death at the end. 😹
You could have considered "Proto-Goth" songs and bands in the 60s
'Paint In Black' by The Rolling Stones lyrically
'I Hate You' , 'Complication' by The Monks
'Talk Talk', 'Talk Me Down', 'Bottom Of The Soul', 'Trouble', 'Come On In', 'You'll Love Me Again' by The Music Machine, especially considering their image at the time
And for good measure, early Velvet Underground
The outro music sounds like Black Metal without guitar distortion.
Warning: Flashing Lights at 2:13
The goth sub culture has been diluted with many misconceptions revolving around it by society (yes, most likely even by you, the person reading this). We've forgotten what goth was all about; dark fictions, the literature, rebellion, THE MUSIC(most importantly).
Nowadays the kids like to play pretend and dress up. Little do they know they're just poorly imitating what they think they are.
Edit: *Also this video is mostly inaccurate* and seemingly based off a standard view of what goth is. Whoever created this video wasn't looking deep enough into the subject, but merely surfacing with research. *(This is another reason why the goth culture is so messy today, people are poorly informed about it)*
How would one get better informed about the goth subculture?
@@sagepebbles2261 why y´all styled like how we grew up
And even by you. Goth is just a music subculture, it's not about rebellion. As for literature you are confusing goth and gothic as the same thing when it's not. Also goth isn't a fashion subculture or a state of mind.
@@sagepebbles2261 look up kai decadence or acuumortis. Best goth RUclipsrs imo.
thank u so much I've been wanting to know about goth history for months
I love how u made this video educational and funny💀
Now we got boring witchy goths that listen to Chelsea Wolfe and flirt with armchair occultism and essential oils. No disrespect to CW tho.
chelsea wolfe is my shortie
chelsea wolfe is good though lol
Yeah, hence why I said no disrespect to CW
I am a more traditional goth. I love the classical goth bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Cure, The Cruxshadows, Alien Sex Fiend, The Sisters of Mercy, Skinny Puppy, and lots of other bands.
what exactly is "armchair occultism"? is it a phrase for people who aren't serious about it or something?
No mention of the father of Goth, Dave Vanian? He decided to be a vampire when everyone else was dressing as punks
This actually should've mentioned how christian death was a huge contribution not a later band
I've always looked at Goths as wannabe vampire copycats.
0:28 “oh my god” lmfaooo
I love listening to the Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil.
they actually show the cover of boys next doors "door, door" when talking about birthday party. not a big mistake, but still....
ernst undsehrböse the Nick Cave fan in me couldn't help get a bit irked by that inaccuracy, but oh well...
As a huge NIN fanboy, I was super happy when they mentioned Pretty Hate Machine. Trent helped make goth sexy in 1989.
I love that you made it like a school project! That's so clever :)
Edgar Allen Poe is the first Gothic icon why didn't you go all the way back c'mon this is disappointing as all ways
Yeah :/
Edgar Allan Poe isn't goth, you moron. Goth is a music based subculture.
Exactly
@ben dover I think you mean nightpain (South park reference)
Gothabilly is what "gothed up" the 80's rockabilly revival, deathrock is more of a missing link between punk and goth.
Jack in Stripes creating new sub-genres are we?
Nice inclusion of Ministry - Every Day is Halloween, coinciding with the fact that this video was published on 31 October ;)
While the gothic scene was popular in the 90s (I was in it,) NIN wasn't a contemporary gothic artist. More acts like London After Midnight, and Miranda Sex Garden. Nine Inch Nails fans were called "NINnies," as an insult in the scene.
Mostly, an accurate video other than that, and the end.
But just because a bunch of purists who don't understand the connection between Industrial and Darkwave say it doesn't make it not true. They don't sound anything like the other bands but their early work did have an element of Darkwave in it.
@@tommythecat7752 I think he's stating that NIN simply were not a goth band. They were a dark sounding band that people stated were goth and that the mall goths gravitated towards. Funny enough it is around this time that goth began to end because record producers, journalists, black metal fans, emos etc misused the term which destroyed its meaning and identity. Even to this day goth is considered an insult even in nightclubs where they only play goth rock ha ha.
@@shikenkanbaby Yeah that's fair enough
prying eyes WHAT!?!!? Nine inch nails isn’t a gothic band. Where you get your information from? Also what’s a gothic scene? you do know gothic and goth are two different things.
@@invader4life36 NIN are not goth because they're not goth rock. They're industrial. Goths listened to goth rock、grungers listened to grunge 、metal heads listen to metal. The music comes first then the subculture.
binge watching this channel i love this!
I remember Joy Division,
and Echo and the Bunnymen,
and Bauhaus, and The Cure.
*DARK TIMES BUT GREAT TIMES.*
Yessssssssssssssssss!!!! great music
3:30 I'm sobbing omfg 😂😂
Oh My Goth!!! This is pretty cool!, all the references were so perfect and I loved the cute goth exhibitors 🖤
omg why are you all styled like how we grew up
1:00 what song is that?
Everyone one always forgets about New Romantic/ Blitz Kids which were part of it, especially in the 80s in England.
1:41 I was the kid asleep in class which made me more Death Rock than everybody
I totally didn't click on this just because I'm goth ._.
Same
Reverse psychology
goth money records
Monk 4's
Kelsey Wa.
Annie Johnson ?
AYY
Monk SHYNED UP THOWIN 444
"Saint Boognish Middle School" nice
2:12 *LIGHT SENSITIVITY EPILEPSY SEIZURE WARNING!!!* (ends at 2:26)
I would have thought that Alice Coopers Ballard of Dwight Fry would have been the first song to capture the goth mind set.
um this goth vid has 6,666 views...m
Seems stuck at 6666 2 hours later too.
Still at 6,666.
Still at 6,666
number of the BEAST AND SOME
1:32 _robert didn't look like that_
I LOVE the little girl in the background wearing the hijab! Cute!
Yeah because that was the point of the video
1:58 mood
this video parody is hilarious and so well produced. Great job.