Some good information thanks for sharing. Here's a few tips I've learned personally for painting ceilings over the past 22 years. We all as painters have our own ways of doing things but usually the same basic steps apply. Personally, I wouldn't recommend inexperienced painters/homeowners spraying their own ceilings. It might seem like you'll save time but assuming it's not an empty house you've to set up your sprayer, protect everything you don't want overspray on and wear full protective gear including a paint respirator. Next apply an even coat above your head and afterwards spend considerable time on sprayer clean-up to ensure it's not going to be clogged for future use and ruin your sprayer. If you are a pro or avid painter with good working knowledge of the sprayer and you have lots of ceilings to paint, then spray away - Another tip it will save you time! If not brush and roll it is 🙂 1) As Chris and John rightly stated a longer nap (14' or 18") is preferable to a common 9" nap to keep "lap-marks to a minimum. I usually use a 3/8" pile for smooth ceilings and as thick as 1/2' or 3/4" pile for a heavy textured ceiling. 2) Sorry I have to agree with some of the other comments left. I think you get better results in the look if you paint in the direction of the light source not against it. Against it will only make the lap-marks even more obvious especially if you're not an experienced painter. Sometimes it's unavoidable though depending on the size of the room as it's easier to keep a wet edge going from short wall to short wall on a large rectangular ceiling. 3) Assuming you're using a flat sheen latex ceiling paint it can be a little thick and hard to "roll out" smooth out of the can. Personally, I putt a few drops of clean cool water in my paint tray every so often and stir the paint well. it makes the paint more spreadable and leaves a smoother finish helping to minimize lap-marks. 4) Another tip I use is to minimize the urge to roll back and forth over the paint you just rolled out on the ceiling. This will show up in an ununiform appearance in the finish. Try to roll from unpainted areas back into painted areas with an even pressure and with the nap loaded with paint but not dripping wet! Keep repeating this process and keep that wet edge going so you can blend one section into another. 5) Don't try to fix and voids you notice once the ceiling is painted. Let the paint fully cure (check recoat time on can) then go back with a mini roller with the same size nap pile to fix any misses areas. If you accidentally missed larger areas try a 9" nap with the same size nap pile. Usually, flat paint touches up well as it's non or low reflectivity and the touch ups will go unnoticed. 6) If you're going to be painting the walls afterwards try a 4' nap with a small tray or bucket and paint grid to "cut -in" the ceiling perimeter prior to rolling out the ceiling and don't worry about getting some ceiling paint on the walls as long as it's brushed /rolled out and not left built up thick on the wall. This will just save you time especially on a large ceiling. Keep a good quality angled trim brush 2 1/2" or 3" handy for the corners if needed. Apply paint evenly again from dry areas back into painted areas! 7) Typically, if your right-handed you work from left to right across the room and visa vera if you're a lefty! 8) Two people working together is ideal as one can be cutting in the perimeter and the second person rolling the ceiling. If you're on your own don't worry about the perimeter cut-in drying before you roll the ceiling. Again, you'll most likely be using a flat sheen on a ceiling and it all should come out evenly if you have to roll afterwards. I hope some of these additional tips might help someone. I'm not a know-it-all or am I trying to be. Just sharing some things that come to mind that may give some additional help for a painter/homeowner out there trying to give a nice finish to their ceilings! Plan, prep and be patient. Good luck 🙂
Thank you for taking the time to share these tips! I’m gearing up to repaint all of my rooms after 15 years. I’m certain my skills are rusty, and your comments refreshed me on all the things I’ve forgotten. One thing I vividly remember - the hardest part is opening the paint can. Once that’s done, the rest is easy.
Paint in the direction of natural light…definitely. You’ll see more flaws and lap marks if you paint against. Oh get all that darn furniture out of the way. Spraying- Dude that is how you learn you can’t always rely on a pro team, y’all had to learn too. I would never discourage a novice from trying difficult tasks, so long as they are willing to learn, fix and or pay for their mistakes.
Hi, My ceiling line is crooked/uneven, whats the best thing to do to draw attention away from the ceiling line itself and create an an illusion of a straight line?
Exactly! That was a head scratcher for me. Every video I've seen says paint TOWARDS the main source of light, not against. I guess really you just need to overlap your lap lines well and use Floetrol to smooth out those lines. The 18" roller will also eliminate more lines and chance of lap lines.
I politely disagree with the second explanation, if there is little light coming into the room you go with the way people are coming in the room instead of against, remember lap marks show because of the shadows that the light create so if the light hits the lap marks side ways it’ll create a shadow but if the light hits the lap mark directly in front it creates 0 shadow. Great videos I always watch them!
I have a huge south facing patio door floor to ceiling, I’ve painted this 34’ long ceiling 3 times and I hate the outcome. I can see all of the lap lines and it looks really bad when I go against or across the light. The paint is flat and the best quality so I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong.
so with a window instead of rolling away from it and in a sideways direction i roll towards it? wow i need to try this ive been told to roll sideways and away from it for so long and just done a ceiling when a window is very high up basically the light skimming across ways onto the ceiling and i see my rolll marks
Rolling Tips: the longer the paint takes to dry the less lapmarks you'll get. We used a touch of flowtrol in the paint to increase the drytime. Use the flatest paint you can find. We used a lower end paint from Ben Moore sometimes cheaper paint is the flattest no sheen.You will get a lot of splatter so tarp up. You know if you rolled a good ceiling if you end with splatter on your face. Cut in first then roll as quick as you can it takes some practice. The best ceiling is the one that when you look up at it you cannot tell how tall it is.
Really love the content guys. I’m a beginner painter in Sacramento California and just by watching your videos and learning cool little tricks I’ve already been getting a lot of recognition at work about how good I’ve been doing.
I learned to paint with the light or with the entrance direction so it's strange to hear the opposite recommended. From the comments it seems others are similarly surprised to hear this. Guess you just gotta go with what works for you and your particular situation.
I appreciate all of your information you are sharing. As a DYI, I have invested in airless sprayer, and a lot of the tools you recommend. I am sure my projects wont look professional, but with what I have learned from your channel it will look a lot better.
Thanks Chris for.your great channel it takes too much effort to understand your language but I try and thanks to your videos I painted my first house indide.following your advices thanks once again Chris.
Super helpful. I have painted my ceiling 3 times and have gotten better results but not totally happy. I have been going with instead of against my main light source - going with the direction of light happens to be against my main entrance but I guess I should switch directions considering the light source seems more important. I am using a 9 inch roller and I am getting stippled areas where the paint is maybe drying faster between areas - assuming the larger roller would help me move faster and have less of those overlap areas. Not sure I will try a fourth time of same ceiling but I have two more ceilings to go!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I have the ceiling from HELL...an octagonal ceiling, orange peel texture with two giant windows on two adjacent panels. The first coat was with a paint pad for ceilings going with the direction of the light, ended up very splotchy. Second coat was painted by hand going with the light, very splotchy in other areas. Third coat was with a roller with 1/2 inch nap, going with the light direction. Very splotchy again. Frustration building then found your video. Re painted all 8 panels with 3/4 nap roller going perpendicular to the light direction. Yay! Woke up this morning to not a single splotch! I am a novice but I am learning! Thanks for your help!
I actually use 18 inch Colossal roller never had problem, no matter the sheen. I been rolling ceilings for 17 years but it only took me my first year to figure it out. The first thing you don't do is dry roll, put enough paint on the roller and stay Consistent
I’ve used the opposite going with the light which has worked for me, you guys didn’t mention floetrol? I’ve used it for glossy paint keeps the wet edge . I’ve found rolling 2 coats of primer spraying 2 coats of finish works best for me. Seems like when you roll the first coat it’s not so dry for your second coat won’t suck up as much . Great video I’m always looking forward to your videos👍🏻
Many other factors that may show imperfections is really for once not the painters fault, wait for it....Yes your right! Builders can frame up houses so fast and the ceilings can have beams that are slightly off, creating a bulge or a indentation in the drywall. Certain jobs need correction and some occasions floating out with some drywall mud within the areas of concern usually can remedy the problem, or just don't look up at the ceilings, it can save several hundred dollars from the children's college fund that you considered dipping into to paint the house with. : p
Great video..help .I wanna re paint my ceiling living room and is white...I grab a latter and rub my dirty fingers up there I nodess it felt chalky dry .i wipe my finger with a wet cloth n couldn't get it off 😮it does not have shine to ot...I'm trying to figure out what they use to repaint my white ceiling
Hi, My ceiling line is crooked/uneven, whats the best thing to do to draw attention away from the ceiling line itself and create an an illusion of a straight line?
I've never painted in my entire life. Just bought a home. Your channel has helped tremendously.... Bought an adjustable roller. The rolling brush keeps falling off. I think I should just have to tighten the adjusting knobs but it doesn't seem to be helping. Only one side keeps falling off.
When you roll make sure you avoid putting too much pressure on the side of the roller you are overlapping, meaning put your next roll a few inches away from the last roll and work back in, then make sure your roller pressure is not on the last applied paint, lap marks are when you apply your next roll on top of your last roll. Leave a gap then’ go back ‘gentle’
Ive had great success (no fails yet) spraying with a 1223 tip & applying a very heavy coat, cross hatching spray pattern. Spraying 1 direction and immediately spraying the other direction keeping the paint auper wet. Keep applying the paint until it looks like glass.
Awesome video guys,what if you have to put on two coats,would you roll the first coat with the light and finish coat away from the light..What do you think about that???
Hey guys Adam Anderson from main here I just recently painted AA huge ceiling I used PVA primer from Sherwin Williams I have rolled it 3 times still getting streaks I'm about to go get some master hide Then roll it again with that hoping this cures the problem I think my issue was I was dry rolling
The house has 2 large glass sliding doors in the formal lounge .one facing north and one facing east. The north facing sliding door has plenty of sunlight from sunrise to mid-afternoon and the east facing sliding door gets the sunset light. Which direction do I paint in😂?
Hi guys, your videos have been a big help on a DIY project. My latest challenge is how to fix some streaks in the ceiling paint after I sprayed and then back rolled. I was using a 9” roller and missed a few spots. I tried rolling it again, but now I have even larger blotches showing during the day from the natural light. Is there a way to fix this without re-spraying/back rolling the whole ceiling again? Thanks for any help.
It's interesting to see you mention consider other options with wider fan spray tips, because you have to spend thousands before you can use tips that are as wide as the tips you are using. Not exactly something that anyone other than someone that paints for a living has access to generally.
Got a rascal of a ceiling in working on now, on the third coat oh man, flashed it off but always been rolling towards the light tomorrow will roll the sucker the opposite direction against the light and see what occurs, can't get any worse 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️👌👍😬
From cars to homes. Thanks couldn't of done it with outcha! I combined what i know, with what you been teaching us, and boy! was I able to start a solid custom home painting business in LA JOLLA CALIFORNIA. SAN DIEGO's RICHEST AREA! THANKS AGAIN! PLEASE KEEP THEM COMING. ALSO ONE SUGGESTION FOR A VIDEO. CAN YOU DO ONE ON SAFETY AND WHAT TO ASK WHEN HIRING PAINTERS/ EMPLOYEES? THANKS. Example: your bad experiences with rookies on the job!
Hey guys I believe you need to go with the light. Drywall guys typically run but joints with the light so it doesn't cross the hump with light. I believe the same goes for painting to.
Which way would you paint if you walk into a bathroom and you have a window on the right? Would you paint against the light coming in from the window or against the like of sight from the door entrance?
Question not quite related to this but still about ceilings. I'm needing to paint my ceiling in my kitchen above my cabinets. I have a couple very wide and deep cabinets (above my refrigerator and cabinet is even deeper than the fridge) that are maybe 6-8 inches away from the ceiling. Trying to figure out the easiest and best way to paint these ceiling areas and even that small section of wall behind them and do decent cut ins. 😬 I don't know what the original owners were thinking by not going all the way up to the ceiling for these two areas. Cabinets are a beautiful hickory and at some point I may have someone come in and make it appear that they go all the way up but for now... I need to finish this project and want to do it well.
For rolling. I have no problem going against the light if it's the shortest distance in the room. You stand a way better chance of keeping a wet edge if a). Your roller sleeve is properly loaded and you're putting up good amounts of paint, evening out a section quick and moving on to the next section fast enough across the shortest distance and don't roll back too much as the paint does setup fast and watch for roller marks.. Spraying on the other hand... hell that's why I'm watching this video. Thanks for more tips. I'm thinking maybe my issues lie in not getting enough paint up there. The ceiling looks great but in certain lighting you see almost a slight luster and what I can imagine is the paint fan or edges of the fan blasting Into slightly drier sections of paint. It ends up looking like rows of streaks. I've been using a 517. It's not tails, just a texture difference if anything that even the flat sheen can't hide. I always find that looking down any ceiling at longer distances that most flat and even dead flat paints have a slight Lustre to them
Chris, I've inherited a house that my parents smoked in for over 50 years. Everything in the house stunk....brick fireplace, paneling, dry walls, ceiling, etc. After 5 years with using an Ozone machine, and every cleaner imaginable, it's finally going away. I'm wondering if you have a system for getting rid of the smoke smell. The ceilings are stained yelliw. In the master bedroom I've used 2 coats of Kilz, and then 2 coats of paint, and the cigarette smoke is still coming through. What to do!
Usually it's a safe option to water down your paint but sparingly. Reasons, some equipment can't handle thicker paints, and the second reason is you can lay thinner coats down on a ceiling or walls, which can help eliminate overlap issues. One tip I recommend is just to back roll after a sprayed section, that way the distribution of paint is spread evenly.
@@rudyrodriguez656 Thanks. I’d come to that conclusion as well since posting that. I finally got my Graco 190ES pump rebuilt and planning to get a power roller. I’d like to avoid all the prep for spraying and since I’m all alone on this project, it’d be easier to roll it.
What graco tip would be equivalent to the Titan HEA tip for doing ceilings? I have a graco x5 sprayer I have the standard 515 tip along with the fflp 311 tip, and want to do it once with best results and be done. Any input will help! Love you channel
Tip for roller users, a super light no dip back roll in the opposite direction of original application seems to eliminate visible errors. My boss is old school. And I’ve only had marks once when he made me use a marathon 3/4 inch nap??? On a ceiling??with all that masking to prevent splatter I might as well have sprayed it. He never wants me to spray interiors. He never even used a hand masker before and scoffed when I resisted and used one anyway. One 5/15 spray tip. no extensions. It drives me nuts. Old school to the max. Haha Paid by the hour I guess.
@@raypaquette3 hi ray thanks for the response, my problem is the last person that painted the walls, left wall paint on the popcorn ceiling, I know I cannot match the ceiling white, it has been 10 years since the ceiling was painted,, so is there any other way to fix this, cause the owner won't paint ceiling,, thanks
Help! I was rolling out my ceiling. Everything seem to be working fine, but then I kept having a hard time smoothing out the paint. I kept getting this big, rugget patches, with a lot more paint than the rest of the surface.
I've noticed in some videos you guys remove the lights and it some you don't. Do you recommend removing the lighting or is that just a customer request/ customer is willing to pay extra for that service.
I have a question, our house is over 60 years old, and we've owned it for only the past 10, so we have slowly renovated room by room... most of the walls have been done & redone a number of times prior to us, and I don't have any problem with them, but often when I go to do a ceiling I get the old coating coming right off on my roller! The surface always looks perfectly fine before I start, no bubbles or cracks, but I get the new paint up there (Behr ceiling flat), and suddenly the old paint peels off down to the bare drywall surface! I have to stop the whole process, let it dry out, then take a scraper, and peel it all down, and now I have to patch it up and smooth it out, and now everything is delayed a few more days for those steps... Is there any way to tell ahead of time if this will happen? or should I just always assume it will? Or is there any way to make the old paint stay adhered?
Me too! I had the same thing happen on the same ceiling (SR no texture) multiple times Sooo frustrating I ended up with what should have been a 3 coat mud job (taping and finish coats, to probably 8 skim coats to get to be able to paint. I even used a moisture meter to make sure the SR wasn't over 12 %. Chris, what's your take on this please.
this is my current go to ceiling paint after trying all different brands. Ill prob only use master hide cheap shit for new construction and promar for repaints
When my uncle tough me to roll ceilings he said it had to be into the light or away from the entranceway, (because that's the way he was tought) trying to do better work I discovered the same things these guys are saying. Not sure about the 1221 tips tho, too much over spray for the smaller UK, IRE homes. PS I almost got fired the first day on the job once. Just for rolling my way, until the boss couldnt see a single blemish, ended up being the foreman there. 😂
Will never be using Sherwin Williams Flat paint ever again! Horrible, because there is NOTHING flat about it! It has a sheen. I used a 5 gal of Behr 1035 Base coat white, and it is working much better, much more flat. All areas are even and no roller marks...Until I had a bump I needed to repatch. I patched it. Now I purchased a 1 gal of the same paint, and while it dries the same, I do have some roller marks. Nothing even close to as bad as the SWilliams, but It is visible, and not sure how to get rid of it. I tried a 1/4" and that is not enough paint to spread around the 4x4ft area that is now a 5x8'. And its growing....it looks like I may have to do the entire ceiling...this will be the 3rd or 4th coat!
So how do you recommend correcting the lapping marks? It’s been rolled 2 times with 2.5 gallons of paint...for the area of ceilings that we painted 1 can should have been enough. Any tips?
Sometimes I choose the direction to roll based on the shortest distance from one wall to another. Thus, I am going from pass to pass quicker, and there is less dry time of paint between passes. Of course, ceiling paint leaves less lap marks. We love you, too. And so does Jesus!
I see that you now copyright your logo -- great idea. You have also incorporated your tagline/byline too which I think is great. As channels grow, I like to watch how the quality and aesthetic changes. Tip Summary - spray using a large tip to minimize the number of passes/lap marks - if you roll, use the larget roller you can handle to minimize lap marks - paint perpendicular to the external light source; the sun - for rooms with no windows, consider the entrance as the light source - for rooms with multiple windows, paint perpendicular to the one with the most light - when spraying, can use the Titan HEA tips that fan better
I sprayed a ceiling with satin and it looked like shit but customers couldn't find a single issue and we left that shit and never painted another satin ceiling. That how I learned 😂
Just painted a 2000 sq ceiling an the hole mf has lap markets an i used a HEA tip an flat paint an theres no lighting in it right now only tripod lights talk about pissed of lawd
Many videos on YT done by professional painters say you should paint with (parallel) to the natural light while this video says you should paint against it. Why is there no consensus on this?
Some good information thanks for sharing. Here's a few tips I've learned personally for painting ceilings over the past 22 years. We all as painters have our own ways of doing things but usually the same basic steps apply. Personally, I wouldn't recommend inexperienced painters/homeowners spraying their own ceilings. It might seem like you'll save time but assuming it's not an empty house you've to set up your sprayer, protect everything you don't want overspray on and wear full protective gear including a paint respirator. Next apply an even coat above your head and afterwards spend considerable time on sprayer clean-up to ensure it's not going to be clogged for future use and ruin your sprayer. If you are a pro or avid painter with good working knowledge of the sprayer and you have lots of ceilings to paint, then spray away - Another tip it will save you time! If not brush and roll it is 🙂
1) As Chris and John rightly stated a longer nap (14' or 18") is preferable to a common 9" nap to keep "lap-marks to a minimum. I usually use a 3/8" pile for smooth ceilings and as thick as 1/2' or 3/4" pile for a heavy textured ceiling.
2) Sorry I have to agree with some of the other comments left. I think you get better results in the look if you paint in the direction of the light source not against it. Against it will only make the lap-marks even more obvious especially if you're not an experienced painter. Sometimes it's unavoidable though depending on the size of the room as it's easier to keep a wet edge going from short wall to short wall on a large rectangular ceiling.
3) Assuming you're using a flat sheen latex ceiling paint it can be a little thick and hard to "roll out" smooth out of the can. Personally, I putt a few drops of clean cool water in my paint tray every so often and stir the paint well. it makes the paint more spreadable and leaves a smoother finish helping to minimize lap-marks.
4) Another tip I use is to minimize the urge to roll back and forth over the paint you just rolled out on the ceiling. This will show up in an ununiform appearance in the finish. Try to roll from unpainted areas back into painted areas with an even pressure and with the nap loaded with paint but not dripping wet! Keep repeating this process and keep that wet edge going so you can blend one section into another.
5) Don't try to fix and voids you notice once the ceiling is painted. Let the paint fully cure (check recoat time on can) then go back with a mini roller with the same size nap pile to fix any misses areas. If you accidentally missed larger areas try a 9" nap with the same size nap pile. Usually, flat paint touches up well as it's non or low reflectivity and the touch ups will go unnoticed.
6) If you're going to be painting the walls afterwards try a 4' nap with a small tray or bucket and paint grid to "cut -in" the ceiling perimeter prior to rolling out the ceiling and don't worry about getting some ceiling paint on the walls as long as it's brushed /rolled out and not left built up thick on the wall. This will just save you time especially on a large ceiling. Keep a good quality angled trim brush 2 1/2" or 3" handy for the corners if needed. Apply paint evenly again from dry areas back into painted areas!
7) Typically, if your right-handed you work from left to right across the room and visa vera if you're a lefty!
8) Two people working together is ideal as one can be cutting in the perimeter and the second person rolling the ceiling. If you're on your own don't worry about the perimeter cut-in drying before you roll the ceiling. Again, you'll most likely be using a flat sheen on a ceiling and it all should come out evenly if you have to roll afterwards.
I hope some of these additional tips might help someone. I'm not a know-it-all or am I trying to be. Just sharing some things that come to mind that may give some additional help for a painter/homeowner out there trying to give a nice finish to their ceilings! Plan, prep and be patient. Good luck 🙂
Thank you for taking the time to share these tips! I’m gearing up to repaint all of my rooms after 15 years. I’m certain my skills are rusty, and your comments refreshed me on all the things I’ve forgotten. One thing I vividly remember - the hardest part is opening the paint can. Once that’s done, the rest is easy.
Great information. Thx👍
Paint in the direction of natural light…definitely. You’ll see more flaws and lap marks if you paint against. Oh get all that darn furniture out of the way. Spraying- Dude that is how you learn you can’t always rely on a pro team, y’all had to learn too. I would never discourage a novice from trying difficult tasks, so long as they are willing to learn, fix and or pay for their mistakes.
Good stuff, thank you!!
Hi,
My ceiling line is crooked/uneven, whats the best thing to do to draw attention away from the ceiling line itself and create an an illusion of a straight line?
I heard the complete opposite and have practiced painting cielings towards the light and never had a problem it actually looks really good
Exactly! That was a head scratcher for me. Every video I've seen says paint TOWARDS the main source of light, not against. I guess really you just need to overlap your lap lines well and use Floetrol to smooth out those lines. The 18" roller will also eliminate more lines and chance of lap lines.
I politely disagree with the second explanation, if there is little light coming into the room you go with the way people are coming in the room instead of against, remember lap marks show because of the shadows that the light create so if the light hits the lap marks side ways it’ll create a shadow but if the light hits the lap mark directly in front it creates 0 shadow. Great videos I always watch them!
That is the way I was taught in the Union
If this is the problem i'm fucking dumb, i didn't use the common sense at all, guess i'll have to paint it correctly this time
I have a huge south facing patio door floor to ceiling, I’ve painted this 34’ long ceiling 3 times and I hate the outcome. I can see all of the lap lines and it looks really bad when I go against or across the light. The paint is flat and the best quality so I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong.
so with a window instead of rolling away from it and in a sideways direction i roll towards it? wow i need to try this ive been told to roll sideways and away from it for so long and just done a ceiling when a window is very high up basically the light skimming across ways onto the ceiling and i see my rolll marks
Rolling Tips: the longer the paint takes to dry the less lapmarks you'll get. We used a touch of flowtrol in the paint to increase the drytime. Use the flatest paint you can find. We used a lower end paint from Ben Moore sometimes cheaper paint is the flattest no sheen.You will get a lot of splatter so tarp up. You know if you rolled a good ceiling if you end with splatter on your face. Cut in first then roll as quick as you can it takes some practice. The best ceiling is the one that when you look up at it you cannot tell how tall it is.
Really love the content guys. I’m a beginner painter in Sacramento California and just by watching your videos and learning cool little tricks I’ve already been getting a lot of recognition at work about how good I’ve been doing.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!🤙
I learned to paint with the light or with the entrance direction so it's strange to hear the opposite recommended. From the comments it seems others are similarly surprised to hear this. Guess you just gotta go with what works for you and your particular situation.
yes, i don't understand this either
I appreciate all of your information you are sharing. As a DYI, I have invested in airless sprayer, and a lot of the tools you recommend. I am sure my projects wont look professional, but with what I have learned from your channel it will look a lot better.
Thanks Chris for.your great channel it takes too much effort to understand your language but I try and thanks to your videos I painted my first house indide.following your advices thanks once again Chris.
A coat of primer-sealer first slows the drying time of the top coat, which helps.
Super helpful. I have painted my ceiling 3 times and have gotten better results but not totally happy. I have been going with instead of against my main light source - going with the direction of light happens to be against my main entrance but I guess I should switch directions considering the light source seems more important. I am using a 9 inch roller and I am getting stippled areas where the paint is maybe drying faster between areas - assuming the larger roller would help me move faster and have less of those overlap areas. Not sure I will try a fourth time of same ceiling but I have two more ceilings to go!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I have the ceiling from HELL...an octagonal ceiling, orange peel texture with two giant windows on two adjacent panels. The first coat was with a paint pad for ceilings going with the direction of the light, ended up very splotchy. Second coat was painted by hand going with the light, very splotchy in other areas. Third coat was with a roller with 1/2 inch nap, going with the light direction. Very splotchy again. Frustration building then found your video. Re painted all 8 panels with 3/4 nap roller going perpendicular to the light direction. Yay! Woke up this morning to not a single splotch! I am a novice but I am learning! Thanks for your help!
glad it went well
I actually use 18 inch Colossal roller never had problem, no matter the sheen. I been rolling ceilings for 17 years but it only took me my first year to figure it out. The first thing you don't do is dry roll, put enough paint on the roller and stay Consistent
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18inch?
ah you mean length not nap lol.
1 or 2 coats?
@@finelife739 no matter the paint product or sheen....always 2 coats even if it covers in 1
I’ve used the opposite going with the light which has worked for me, you guys didn’t mention floetrol? I’ve used it for glossy paint keeps the wet edge . I’ve found rolling 2 coats of primer spraying 2 coats of finish works best for me. Seems like when you roll the first coat it’s not so dry for your second coat won’t suck up as much . Great video I’m always looking forward to your videos👍🏻
Many other factors that may show imperfections is really for once not the painters fault, wait for it....Yes your right! Builders can frame up houses so fast and the ceilings can have beams that are slightly off, creating a bulge or a indentation in the drywall. Certain jobs need correction and some occasions floating out with some drywall mud within the areas of concern usually can remedy the problem, or just don't look up at the ceilings, it can save several hundred dollars from the children's college fund that you considered dipping into to paint the house with. : p
BM ceiling paint absolutely flawless. Even when you have to touch up a spot after it has dried.
this was super helpful, I always love to learn better ways to do things and you guys never disappoint, thanks
I use Sherwin Williams Duration flat and a high quality 9 inch 3/8 nap roller. Less splatter. I do the last coat rolling in the shortest direction.
I use Sherwin Williams Master Hide flat paint and never have any problems.
@Jose Rivera what's that ?
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Thanks for the response,, I actually went and bought it,, so far,so good,, thanks again
@@dennispuleo9575 yw , glad I could help. The contractors in my area love it
Great video..help .I wanna re paint my ceiling living room and is white...I grab a latter and rub my dirty fingers up there I nodess it felt chalky dry .i wipe my finger with a wet cloth n couldn't get it off 😮it does not have shine to ot...I'm trying to figure out what they use to repaint my white ceiling
Hi,
My ceiling line is crooked/uneven, whats the best thing to do to draw attention away from the ceiling line itself and create an an illusion of a straight line?
Just wondering if the 3/8 Nap still the best choice for ceilings or walls with a Knockdown texture.
I've never painted in my entire life. Just bought a home. Your channel has helped tremendously.... Bought an adjustable roller. The rolling brush keeps falling off. I think I should just have to tighten the adjusting knobs but it doesn't seem to be helping. Only one side keeps falling off.
Thanks for the great tips...love you guys!! Keep'em coming😁
When you roll make sure you avoid putting too much pressure on the side of the roller you are overlapping, meaning put your next roll a few inches away from the last roll and work back in, then make sure your roller pressure is not on the last applied paint, lap marks are when you apply your next roll on top of your last roll. Leave a gap then’ go back ‘gentle’
Ive had great success (no fails yet) spraying with a 1223 tip & applying a very heavy coat, cross hatching spray pattern.
Spraying 1 direction and immediately spraying the other direction keeping the paint auper wet.
Keep applying the paint until it looks like glass.
Do you back roll, and what paint and sheen do you use?
@@Chrisisthename i do not backroll ceilings. Promar 200/400 ceiling or dead flat
Will try 1223 next time.
Being a rookie painter and rehabilitation on our new home you guys are awesome! Thanks for sharing your awesome time and tips! God bless you all!
Glad to see that even the pros struggle with this. Still struggling with flashing around the edges
Awesome video guys,what if you have to put on two coats,would you roll the first coat with the light and finish coat away from the light..What do you think about that???
You guys are so funny, love your videos!!! Keep them coming
Hey guys Adam Anderson from main here I just recently painted AA huge ceiling I used PVA primer from Sherwin Williams I have rolled it 3 times still getting streaks I'm about to go get some master hide Then roll it again with that hoping this cures the problem I think my issue was I was dry rolling
The house has 2 large glass sliding doors in the formal lounge .one facing north and one facing east. The north facing sliding door has plenty of sunlight from sunrise to mid-afternoon and the east facing sliding door gets the sunset light. Which direction do I paint in😂?
Hi guys, your videos have been a big help on a DIY project. My latest challenge is how to fix some streaks in the ceiling paint after I sprayed and then back rolled. I was using a 9” roller and missed a few spots. I tried rolling it again, but now I have even larger blotches showing during the day from the natural light. Is there a way to fix this without re-spraying/back rolling the whole ceiling again? Thanks for any help.
Lower the temp and roll heavy keeping a wet edge. Most ceiling paints suck and this is a major problem
It's interesting to see you mention consider other options with wider fan spray tips, because you have to spend thousands before you can use tips that are as wide as the tips you are using. Not exactly something that anyone other than someone that paints for a living has access to generally.
Got a rascal of a ceiling in working on now, on the third coat oh man, flashed it off but always been rolling towards the light tomorrow will roll the sucker the opposite direction against the light and see what occurs, can't get any worse 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️👌👍😬
Hope it goes well
From cars to homes. Thanks couldn't of done it with outcha! I combined what i know, with what you been teaching us, and boy! was I able to start a solid custom home painting business in LA JOLLA CALIFORNIA. SAN DIEGO's RICHEST AREA! THANKS AGAIN! PLEASE KEEP THEM COMING. ALSO ONE SUGGESTION FOR A VIDEO. CAN YOU DO ONE ON SAFETY AND WHAT TO ASK WHEN HIRING PAINTERS/ EMPLOYEES? THANKS. Example: your bad experiences with rookies on the job!
Hey guys I believe you need to go with the light. Drywall guys typically run but joints with the light so it doesn't cross the hump with light. I believe the same goes for painting to.
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Good tips.
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Which way would you paint if you walk into a bathroom and you have a window on the right? Would you paint against the light coming in from the window or against the like of sight from the door entrance?
Won’t going against the light cast shadow lines?
Question not quite related to this but still about ceilings. I'm needing to paint my ceiling in my kitchen above my cabinets. I have a couple very wide and deep cabinets (above my refrigerator and cabinet is even deeper than the fridge) that are maybe 6-8 inches away from the ceiling. Trying to figure out the easiest and best way to paint these ceiling areas and even that small section of wall behind them and do decent cut ins. 😬 I don't know what the original owners were thinking by not going all the way up to the ceiling for these two areas. Cabinets are a beautiful hickory and at some point I may have someone come in and make it appear that they go all the way up but for now... I need to finish this project and want to do it well.
Flats only way too go guys😝
If you live in the southern hemisphere should you prioritize the northern facing window?
Hi, I have a question if i sprayed a ceiling and I need to make a touch up on a spot can I roll it and would that show afterwards?thanks
sprayed fine finish and then roller touch up wont work
Do you prefer flat paint for the ceiling rather than ceiling paint.
Should I buy the Graco truecoat 360 VSP? I trust your opinion please
How do you protect your neck?
@@eldudereeno77 hahah nice beat me to it !!
For rolling. I have no problem going against the light if it's the shortest distance in the room. You stand a way better chance of keeping a wet edge if a). Your roller sleeve is properly loaded and you're putting up good amounts of paint, evening out a section quick and moving on to the next section fast enough across the shortest distance and don't roll back too much as the paint does setup fast and watch for roller marks.. Spraying on the other hand... hell that's why I'm watching this video. Thanks for more tips. I'm thinking maybe my issues lie in not getting enough paint up there. The ceiling looks great but in certain lighting you see almost a slight luster and what I can imagine is the paint fan or edges of the fan blasting Into slightly drier sections of paint. It ends up looking like rows of streaks. I've been using a 517. It's not tails, just a texture difference if anything that even the flat sheen can't hide. I always find that looking down any ceiling at longer distances that most flat and even dead flat paints have a slight Lustre to them
thaks for sharing
Great tips guys!
Chris, I've inherited a house that my parents smoked in for over 50 years. Everything in the house stunk....brick fireplace, paneling, dry walls, ceiling, etc. After 5 years with using an Ozone machine, and every cleaner imaginable, it's finally going away. I'm wondering if you have a system for getting rid of the smoke smell. The ceilings are stained yelliw. In the master bedroom I've used 2 coats of Kilz, and then 2 coats of paint, and the cigarette smoke is still coming through. What to do!
I’ve used a bowl of vinegar with a fan blowing on it. Takes time, but it worked for a smoky mattress we had.
Thanks 👍,1221 Tip.Awesome👍
Thank you too
Any videos on what to expect a ceiling to look and behave like if choosing finishes other than flat?
I have vidoes using satin
@@Idahopainter ok thx
I have a question... would the the 9” paint roller be the same type as the uk ones and would it have the same fitting for the extension pole
Question. When you use a sprayer. Do you need to dilute the paint, so it can be sprayed? I’m just a homeowner and not a pro painter.
No absolutely not
mostly any airless sprayer from graco wont need to dilute for normal paints.
Thanks guys. That’s good info just in case I ever see the need to try one.
Usually it's a safe option to water down your paint but sparingly. Reasons, some equipment can't handle thicker paints, and the second reason is you can lay thinner coats down on a ceiling or walls, which can help eliminate overlap issues. One tip I recommend is just to back roll after a sprayed section, that way the distribution of paint is spread evenly.
Good tips. Also, the inconsistantcy of the texture on the ceiling can play a big part in how the finish on the ceiling comes out.
Roller vs sprayer? Which do you recommend? I have vaulted ceilings. 9 to 10 feet tall.
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@@rudyrodriguez656 Thanks. I’d come to that conclusion as well since posting that. I finally got my Graco 190ES pump rebuilt and planning to get a power roller. I’d like to avoid all the prep for spraying and since I’m all alone on this project, it’d be easier to roll it.
What graco tip would be equivalent to the Titan HEA tip for doing ceilings? I have a graco x5 sprayer I have the standard 515 tip along with the fflp 311 tip, and want to do it once with best results and be done. Any input will help! Love you channel
Graco does not have any tips equivalent to HEA
Can you spray with a 619 hea tip for ceilings
Tip for roller users, a super light no dip back roll in the opposite direction of original application seems to eliminate visible errors.
My boss is old school. And I’ve only had marks once when he made me use a marathon 3/4 inch nap??? On a ceiling??with all that masking to prevent splatter I might as well have sprayed it. He never wants me to spray interiors. He never even used a hand masker before and scoffed when I resisted and used one anyway. One 5/15 spray tip. no extensions. It drives me nuts. Old school to the max. Haha
Paid by the hour I guess.
Thumbs up as needed!
I like this guy. You’re amazing and funny.
What's the name of the color in the room you are filming in?
Did you try back rolling after spraying?
I spray and back roll all ceilings
Ceiling paint or Flat paint does the job. And when you roll don't roll with to high of a pressure :-)
Gracias !!! Amigos !!!! God bless you!!!
Just have a quick question,, how do you fix a bad cut in job on a popcorn ceiling, that the owner won't paint the ceiling,,..
Small bead of caulk along the ceiling makes a clean straight line to cut to. Or some people use the back fo 5-in-1 to gouge a line to cut to
@@raypaquette3 hi ray thanks for the response, my problem is the last person that painted the walls, left wall paint on the popcorn ceiling, I know I cannot match the ceiling white, it has been 10 years since the ceiling was painted,, so is there any other way to fix this, cause the owner won't paint ceiling,, thanks
We generally spray the ceilings and lay off with a roller
Guys, you never discussed putting extender in the paint to slow down the drying time. The DIYers watching this may not know about this option.
What about stairs with hallway .
Excellent tips- thanks!
Help! I was rolling out my ceiling. Everything seem to be working fine, but then I kept having a hard time smoothing out the paint. I kept getting this big, rugget patches, with a lot more paint than the rest of the surface.
I've noticed in some videos you guys remove the lights and it some you don't. Do you recommend removing the lighting or is that just a customer request/ customer is willing to pay extra for that service.
When I get lines from spraying I do a mist coat that can't leave lines and makes lines all go away.
Of course I watched this AFTER I painted my ceiling. But at least I used flat paint!
Thank you
BEHR Ceiling paint....the best! flawless
I have a question, our house is over 60 years old, and we've owned it for only the past 10, so we have slowly renovated room by room... most of the walls have been done & redone a number of times prior to us, and I don't have any problem with them, but often when I go to do a ceiling I get the old coating coming right off on my roller! The surface always looks perfectly fine before I start, no bubbles or cracks, but I get the new paint up there (Behr ceiling flat), and suddenly the old paint peels off down to the bare drywall surface! I have to stop the whole process, let it dry out, then take a scraper, and peel it all down, and now I have to patch it up and smooth it out, and now everything is delayed a few more days for those steps... Is there any way to tell ahead of time if this will happen? or should I just always assume it will? Or is there any way to make the old paint stay adhered?
Me too! I had the same thing happen on the same ceiling (SR no texture) multiple times Sooo frustrating I ended up with what should have been a 3 coat mud job (taping and finish coats, to probably 8 skim coats to get to be able to paint. I even used a moisture meter to make sure the SR wasn't over 12 %. Chris, what's your take on this please.
Thanks gang
Promar ceiling paint is dead flat. You could put it on a ceiling with a squirt gun and be just fine.
this is my current go to ceiling paint after trying all different brands. Ill prob only use master hide cheap shit for new construction and promar for repaints
When my uncle tough me to roll ceilings he said it had to be into the light or away from the entranceway, (because that's the way he was tought) trying to do better work I discovered the same things these guys are saying. Not sure about the 1221 tips tho, too much over spray for the smaller UK, IRE homes. PS I almost got fired the first day on the job once. Just for rolling my way, until the boss couldnt see a single blemish, ended up being the foreman there. 😂
Will never be using Sherwin Williams Flat paint ever again! Horrible, because there is NOTHING flat about it! It has a sheen. I used a 5 gal of Behr 1035 Base coat white, and it is working much better, much more flat. All areas are even and no roller marks...Until I had a bump I needed to repatch. I patched it. Now I purchased a 1 gal of the same paint, and while it dries the same, I do have some roller marks. Nothing even close to as bad as the SWilliams, but It is visible, and not sure how to get rid of it. I tried a 1/4" and that is not enough paint to spread around the 4x4ft area that is now a 5x8'. And its growing....it looks like I may have to do the entire ceiling...this will be the 3rd or 4th coat!
you are the man
What mm of roller do you guys like to use on ceilings?
... but what about a sky light??? 😂
The videos are certainly improving.😉
So how do you recommend correcting the lapping marks? It’s been rolled 2 times with 2.5 gallons of paint...for the area of ceilings that we painted 1 can should have been enough. Any tips?
@@sunrise884nipper6 we’ve had several professionals looks it it. Apparently someone did a poor job taping.
Ohh ok. Yea I've been painting 10 years and the sheetrock/tape guys can sure mess it up for us painters.
We learned in school always away from the light u paint and also wallpaper. So u work ur way away from window...
Sometimes I choose the direction to roll based on the shortest distance from one wall to another. Thus, I am going from pass to pass quicker, and there is less dry time of paint between passes. Of course, ceiling paint leaves less lap marks. We love you, too. And so does Jesus!
Tiger strips on a ceiling spraying flat...means ur not putting enough paint on...load it up just enough to where its not saggin...i use 519...
I agree I LOVE THE TITAN HEA 519 works great for me!!!!!
Omg. The most handsome painters ever. And smart too! Great advice, thank you.
I have a question about painting ceilings without painting walls without wall touch up paint. How do you guys do this most efficient?
Cover floor with drop cloth...bucket roll n cut
I see that you now copyright your logo -- great idea. You have also incorporated your tagline/byline too which I think is great. As channels grow, I like to watch how the quality and aesthetic changes.
Tip Summary
- spray using a large tip to minimize the number of passes/lap marks
- if you roll, use the larget roller you can handle to minimize lap marks
- paint perpendicular to the external light source; the sun
- for rooms with no windows, consider the entrance as the light source
- for rooms with multiple windows, paint perpendicular to the one with the most light
- when spraying, can use the Titan HEA tips that fan better
I spray and back roll all ceilings
Have you never seen a bathroom without a window?..
Use ceiling paint. Its chalky and more of a dead flat which is more forgiving
yep
I sprayed a ceiling with satin and it looked like shit but customers couldn't find a single issue and we left that shit and never painted another satin ceiling. That how I learned 😂
Very helpful!
Just painted a 2000 sq ceiling an the hole mf has lap markets an i used a HEA tip an flat paint an theres no lighting in it right now only tripod lights talk about pissed of lawd
Many videos on YT done by professional painters say you should paint with (parallel) to the natural light while this video says you should paint against it. Why is there no consensus on this?
Everyone has their way
Benjamin Moore ultra flat ceiling paint. 4x4 method.......all problems gone.
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Also get the best ceiling paint and that’s half of the problem solved I can’t get a good result with a paint that’s garbage