Destiny 2 Shadowkeep - A breakdown of the Shadowkeep campaign’s Story and Lore
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Destiny 2 Shadowkeep’s lore and story represents one of the strangers times for the games and thankfully one of the best. Join me as I breakdown all of this some more and give my opinion!
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"Who are you?"
"Don't you know?"
"Wait, you're that guy from the multiplayer emote preview!"
This is the best joke about that scene I've ever seen😂
cahan mullan *scene
@@josephlee9267 ssssshhhh you saw nothing😂
XD okay that was a good joke
@@josephlee9267 -r/- ihavereddit
“Most nostalgia clad enemies in Destiny”
*doesnt mention Valus Ta’aurc*
*visible frustration*
Yeah, I was pretty upset too, but whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
Even the darkness is tired of that joke XD
Thats cause Valus T'aurc was ressurected then Taken and in the Whisper Mission. "T'Aurc, Aspect of War"
@@ninjathis3009 yeah that was pretty great, but those fallen on the ishtar sink on venus? Story is they raided the prison of elders. Got an archon priest. The queens bounty is high so we know hes powerful. We gotta hunt thos fallen down before they fully restore his soul
Sonicring123Dubs yea I’m tired of that joke too like why are people still telling it 5 years later smh and honestly whether we wanted it or not we’ve stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars so let’s get to taking out their command one by one. Valus Ta’aruc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an imperial land tank outside of Rubicon. He’s well protected, but with the right team we can punch through his defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
Eris: have you heard the story of the traveler's sacrifice?
*flash back to d1*
Speaker: I could tell you the story of the traveler...
*back to present*
Guardian: ... Nope, can't say that I have
Bryan Weimer well, the Speaker never really did tell us the story, did he?
Nope. Just that "the darkness is coming. We will not survive it." Continues to doubt our ghost. "I just hope he chose wisely."
I don't believe the Speaker actually knew, honestly.
@@aperez3124 the speaker was 100% full of shit, everything he ever told everyone was based on lies he was a false prophet and we lost nothing when he died.
Dream146 what is strange is that there hasn’t been a new speaker. I dont know how much time has passed since rhe red war but you would think a new speaker would have been chosen by now. Bungie needs to make a lore npc that gives quests and then tells you some tidbits about whats going on in the galaxy. I know voice acting is expensive but hey just a tought.
You know, the final bit of the cutscene gave me the opinion that the Darkness *dumped* you back at Sanctuary after it's talk with you through your doppelganger.
You played right into its hands during the final mission, you were at the belly of the beast. Your Ghost was already compromised. The Darkness could've just ended you inside there in a number of different ways.
But it didn't. It let you take the artefact. It used the artefact to speak to you directly. To taunt to you, to tempt you. To let Eris research it.
And finally at the end, it just dumped you at Sanctuary. You weren't even given the privilege to walk out of the Pyramid, the Darkness just pushed you out of the door without you realising it.
After all, you're the strongest Lightbearer of the Traveller. And what better way to make the Light weak than to take our strongest weapon away - our agency.
Holy shit
Straight to the top.
NixAvernal so the darkness gave us a toy ball, patted us on the head and sent us on our way home like a good little child.
I kind of wish it had been clarified a little, though.
Like, the doppelganger shoves us off the cliff but instead of falling we land on the lunar surface like we just tripped or something. It would be cool and trippy rather than abrupt and ambiguous, with the same outcome.
It needed a goddamn cutscene where we get yeeted out though. That one touch would've made all the difference. Sparta kicked right into sanctuary.
Me goin into the first mission: time to kill these hive 😂😂😂
Me leaving the last story mission: 🗿
The Darkness: get baited loser lmao
Lmao
Me leaving the last story mission: time to kill myself
Yo, Angelo
I dont get it
Pyramid: exists on the moon
Drifter: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
let puts some scorns in there. for fun
Darkness incoming on the Moon! Go get those motes!
Eris: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The Nine: AAAAAAAAAAAAA
Rasputin: AAAAAAAAAAAA
Mara: AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Calus: AAAAAAA - wait, this wasn't a spontaneous opera convention? ...It is now! *AAAAAAAAAH!*
@@Leiliel1 cant wait for calus to just tell us to kill the darkness just so he can be the last thing alive
“Alright alright alright”
“Darkness, bring some dreambane armor!”
The intro mission was amazing, it felt like we were actually at WAR with the darkness. Then the last mission makes you realize “oh damn, we’re not nearly as tough as we think, they can just hijack our Ghosts”
A pretty cool parallel to the first Battle for the Moon, where guardians got a wake up call to how tough Crota really was
Riding in I thought "ah so this is what a moon war would be like" then we met the hive for a SmackDown .... Then I thought "naaah this is what a moon war would be like"
I’m not sure if I agree with the “war” bit. I’d call it a small skirmish with a total of like 5 red jacks and a ship fighting maybe 100 hive enemies.
@@therewillbefire1833 guardian problems require guardian solutions
It also makes you have to question what possible link do Ghosts have to these ships that they can just hack them so easily.
@@channonikelman2041 I think that these pyramids are extremely similar to the traveler. Perhaps the same origin but the Traveler went rogue.
Paybe they are "traveler 2.0"
Me: *Wants to do any raid at all*
Also me: *Don't have any friends who play D2*
*Visible frustration*
Eris went from "Cool semi crazy Hive lady with a grudge who I'll gladly help" to "Holy shit i want to hug her i will tear the universe apart to help".
They do a good job of encouraging and you to care about her and help her feel better. To have a better turn out than the persistent, smoldering suffering. The names and faces that are seared into her mind and heart.
The most important thing is our guardian is able to speak again.
Hear hear.
Ya, thanks Crispin Freeman
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price if you paid attention in the last cutscene. That was the same voice actor. It doest matter that its not us, they are working with the voice actor and so much as to even have a somewhat conversation with our self, even if it is one sided.
I think Activision wanted to make money using very little resources so they fired our voice actor
But Bungie knows better
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price its not a matter of what it was. Its a matter of what it could mean.
I feel like Oryx should've been a nightmare. He's a pretty major part of Destiny's story as he brought the taken to the system and is arguably the most powerful enemy we've faced.
Julian Alicknavitch Would’ve most definitely preferred to fight him over Ghaul and the Fanatic.
Maybe he was too powerful because he's a paracausal god
If I am correct, Oryx abandoned the "darkness" or hive God inside him when he came to us looking for revenge, that may be why he is not represented or "brought back" by the Deep, I may be way off though
@@thedarklordx Guardians are paracausal, if that were true, no phantoms would appear. Crota's there because the great disaster, and I guess they just didn't want two hive nightmares at once
@@timewellspent8137 yeah but guardians aren't throwing people into alt dimensions, creating our own worlds or raising armies with our power. So Oryx would still be a lot stronger than any guardian nightmare which is why I think maybe he was too strong to ressurect properly
That last cutscene with our guardian near the edge had me screaming at the screen "this dumbass is gonna get sparta kicked"
Adriana G I thought we were about to get yeeted off the edge and we were going to have another situation like in the base campaign
@@JynxdYT not gonna lie, I thought we were going to be replaced by them
@@BrokenBluebird6 who says we havent been replaced...
Again
Bungie: puts tetrahedron ship in Shadowkeep
S N E A K 1 0 0
Eris was literally dripping with excitement to get inside the large Dorito
Bungie: Puts tetrahedron in game.
Also Bungie: “ThA PYrAmiD!!”
That was good, but is it as good as eris saying “in traveler created ghosts in its dying breath..... to open doors”
PJ Lawrence pyramid sounds better. A lot better. Even if it is wrong.
Black Ibis wait so Eris has the black fluid coming from her hive eyes, does it also come from any other areas? Asking for a friend.
In the end, Destiny's story is about circles vs triangles.
It's kinda funny the Doom Dorito had green fog/smoke/fumes around it all the time... Doom Doritos repping that Mtn Dew.
It's Battle of The Shapes
so.... if we defeat the triangles, would it mean that the next greater threat would be... squares?
@@RockTheEternal They have more pointy ends D:
>the logo of Destiny used by the Speaker is a circle in between a white tricorn shape
>the circle is inside a triangle shape
>tfw it was all planned
Finally someone points out those lights that looked like eyes. They made me jump and shoot at them on instinct.
Tried to blast it with my shotgun first time I saw them.
they made me jump as well
I yeeted at them to see if it would hit anything 🤣
I unloaded an entire clip of delirium into them when I first saw them
Yup. I thought they were eyes the first time I saw them. Reminded me of Amon from StarCraft 2. I zoomed in hoping to get a glimpse, but no luck.
"We are your salvation" "Yeah, didnt buy it when the reapers said it."
Great Mithraxx can be Garrus and The Stranger can be Tali I need my team
Never trust a man with a savior complex.😑
Lol love the reference
The end is near, the end is near, our overlord Doritos will rule all!
I curse your heathen lords and instead, will bathe in the light of our mighty pringle gods!
You mean our football god
The Traveler is a giant onion. This is the great Funoions VS Duritos war.
Forcer I find it horrifying that your in every destiny video
I feel like every comment on this one was made by a Titan, and I'm loving it!
Guardians: Killing things triumphantly
Darkness/tetrahedron ship: ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT! LETS SEE WHAT WE GOT!!!
Hive! Bring a Sword!
“Best campaign in Destiny’s history” - Whilst I understand the importance of the lore, going to have to disagree. The Taken King still sits as the best campaign hands down. Revisiting bosses we have defeated before, running through the old areas we have played before doesn’t match up to the thrill of the chase we had with Oryx, ending with him “taking” himself into his throne world. We then defeat all his lieutenants in the various strikes, before finally doing the unthinkable and going into his realm to kill him once and for all.
Billy Nahar fax
Taken King was peak destiny
Exactly. To each his own but when he said that, it just sounded plain retarded..
@@hugoa2637 I wish it wasn't. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Taken King. It's just that, that was about 5 years ago, there have been 6 other campaigns and stories that have come out since. And, while some of those were lackluster, I get tired of people always saying that TTK was the best. Forsaken definitely out does it in some regards. Two brand new locations, Tangled Shore and Dreaming City, a more personal story, us going on a quest for vengeance, to avenge our best friend Cayde, and Forsaken added in a lot of content. TTK was good up until mid-october. It got boring after September.
I'm just saying that the Taken King was not the best thing to happen to Destiny, compared to Forsaken. It was great, but Forsaken just brought more to the table.
My all time favorite is and will stay for EVER Rise of Iron... there was just so many to it, i mean you literally get to meat, work with and then JOIN the Iron Lords ! THE Legendary Guardians ! Plus the swarm of SIVA taking over everything even to the point that you have to kill the remnants of the fallen Iron Lords ! I guess it's just personal feeling and preference in terms of what kind of themes and the way i like stories to be told but DAMN that campaign gave me emotions !
Everyone: *uses guns*
My name is byf with a sword: *HOLD MY BEER*
Ever hear the phrase.... "Hive! Bring a sword!", byf had the right idea.
The first mission can be summed up by this feeling: "In a game where I am an experienced hero, I've seen something I don't know. In a game where I am a god, I've met godslayers. But I. Will. Win. "
Nah, we cant win or we kill ourselves. At least according to the Symmetry Theory in Destiny. Besides fighting something like the Darkness is almost like trying to fight our own Traveler. The ONES that can give us the ability to be godslayers. So, I would be kinda freaked out now.
Cayde did say once, that "The best hiding spots are always hidden in plain sight"
What is a better hiding spot of our enemy? By being essentially our bad next door neighbor.
Update: as for Eris in this campaign I will strongly hypothesize that she has high-functioning depression if I were taking a guess.
The common misconception of depression in a nutshell is that someone's feeling sad which it's more like a lack of emotions whatsoever and as human beings will filled to the brim with that whether someone will admit it or not.
How that tends to work is that whether or not she's sad or just completely he's being tortured from the inside from memories and whatnot, she's still able to work at Peak Performance despite the fact that she feels in a spiritual way, she's feels completely dead.
That's what I love about Eris, is because despite how dead she feels on the inside of one regard or another, she is still fighting at full capacity and spite of it so nobody else has to feel that pain.
If nothing else is she needs a nightmare dead, it'll be just like the first and all she needs is to give me Direction so I can stick them in a hearse
Was that a... Hellsing Abridged reference at the end.
I'm loving the weekly quests we started getting to get memorabilia of her Fireteam to help her really start to finally let them go and banish the Nightmare versions of them haunting her.
Feels good to be able to actually help such a tragic character.
You might be overthinking. I have depression and yes I’m numb as shit and feel like my brain killed itself last year and has been stuck in this state since and have no joy or desire in anything since there’s no more “feel good” chemicals. Eris seems to have survivors guilt and is a stones throw away from insanity
@@Trevsland its not that there are no more "feel good chemicals" is just that your brain doesnt react with them. Which is definitely rough.. I'm sorry to hear that..
But I'd say Eris has several mental issues going on. PTSD, paranoia, schitzophrenia (her glowy rock whispers to her), and likely depression. And who knows what else, she even mentions being disoriented and uneasy looking at the sky back in D1, which might be agoraphobia from living in the Hive caves so long. So yeah she's probably borderline insane..
Now I want to give Eris a hug :l
Me and my friend: *dancing in front of shadows*
friend: *turns corner* woah whats this
me: *turns corner* YOOOOOO ITS THE TRIANGLE!
Sweet jesus... Something tells me y'all would be a blast to play this game with.
To call that unexpected is RIGHT. Had me so unbelievably shook.
(Edit: Also yeah, absolutely amazing job on Bungie's part)
Definitely, and not having it spoiled, it was an insanely interesting twist.
Changes Yor's story a bit, dunnit?
i was like "yoooooooo" when i turned around the corner
As good as Eris’s voice line was. I still feel that the Drifter tapes from SotD were the best pieces of destiny voice acting we’ve ever gotten
Yes
do you have a link to theme?
We've come a long way from Dinklebot
Taeko-3 is right there.... kappa
Alright alright alright.
The “guardian? I thought you’d...” line is also amazing as well
YES. It showed her, for the first time I remember, to be REALLY concerned for us.
That line was fantastic, the emotion in her voice was perfect, she didn't want another guardian to die for her cause and subtle things like that show HUGE character development in her story
@@lanz622 Something similar to this happened in Taken King when we stole the shard of Crota's soul crystal thing. As we were running out of the hive pits you could hear her over the jammed comms saying "We're going to lose them, just like Eriana...."
She has just been an amazing character from the start and I love her.
Personally I think that this conclusion makes perfect sense in terms of the Beyond Light campaign, I still feel that the Darkness is not actually the evil side of the coin compared to the Traveler. They are both selfish "gods" and we are their toys, stuck in the middle of their game
Byf: *Blocks Crota*
Crota: “I’ll f*ckin do it again
Byf: “I can do this too, you know”
Captain Byf: I can do this all day
^Actual transcript of byf's live commentary in mission.
Patrick Schmidt Crota: *proceeds to heal* So can I.
That intro mission is one of the satisfying moments in gaming I've had in a while. Turning that corner and seeing The Pyramid make me scream out of excitement
I said out loud "HOLY $&*#!!!!"
I straight up got chills
I said NO WAY
My brain fizzled with fear and shock
The ending had me like: Say what?! Hah... that funny meme reference
Seeing the facial animations from the bits you showed of the final cutscene in this makes me realize how much I missed from just being an Exo player. The small detail of a creepy smile or such really adds a lot more to overall unsettling tone I got from it.
The moment I saw the Giant Dorito, my jaw dropped
Doom Dorito uses silence.
It's super effective.
Imagine this:
“We are your salvation”
Darkness figure claps hands together and you hear a building dark scream and your ghost slowly starts to be pulled apart, then you hear your ghost screaming for your help, you try to shoot the darkness but the darkened is immune to your attacks. Ghost pleads for the darkness mercy and you feel utterly helpless watching your ghost being murdered in front of your eyes , flashes of Cayde 6. The in a instant your pulled out by the traveler and wake up in the moon next to Eris. Credits....
That would be awsome
"We are your salvation."
[triggers flashbacks to famous *awesome* dialogue in a classic game]
-That which you know as Reapers _are your salvation_ through destruction.
-We are the harbinger of your perfection.
-Your species will be raised to a new existence. We are the beginning, you will be the end.
-Prepare for our domination. Prepare for our coming.
It'd be more interesting if your ghost just dropped out of the air like in the Nine visions we got in Season of the Drifter, then we somehow escape from the pyramid, whether it lets us go or there's an escape sequence, it doesn't matter. Then when we get out, ghost wakes up with no memory of what happened, like the vanilla adventure with Rasputin's music boxes or when Sagira takes over.
Rip
oh damn this would be a real nightmare O_O
honestly i had no clue what the story was other than “spooky nightmares”
Dan Darkness is closer so PANIC!
I really want to see Byf’s first reaction to seeing the pyramid ship.
The triangle vs circle wars are soon to begin.
Toland is just a tsundere. “I-it’s not like I’m t-t-teaching you about the Hive b-because I like you, baka squanderer!”
Hayden Spence I lold 😭
Every single word you have made me read makes me want to violently stab a baby.
When that Dark Guardian said _"We are your Salvation."_ I shivered VIOLENTLY
I know first time I ever got shivers from a game that wasn't meant to be a horror game
ME TOO I LITERALLY GOT CHILLS
Been waiting for this all friggin week!
When the darkness ship was kept as a suprize instead of cydes death...
*[FAT DARKNESS THEME]*
Yeah i still wish that would have been a surprise.
I think they purposely spoiled his death so everyone would get a hate boner and buy forsaken just to shoot uldren
Byf do you think it’s possible that we will see Saint-14 or Praydeth this season?
I was thinking maybe in the upcoming seasons or something. I think Praydeth is the one narrating the Aspect lore book so who knows?
Praedyth & 200+ simulated teams of the 4 lore famous golden age scientists escape into the black garden in the Aspect lore book.
Also, they hired a voice actor for Saint 14. *google it*
Oh boy did this comment age well
I had a diffrent dialogue on my hunter than on my warlock and titan, upon finding the pyramid in the first mission. My hunter seemed to know what the pyramid was, but the other two didn't. Thought that was strange
Shadowkeep Cosmodrome
Does anyone besides me also wonder why the cosmodrome in the mission risk/reward is the original cosmodrome before Rise of Iron. Risk/reward takes place AFTER the events of forsaken but the cosmodrome is in the same state as it was BEFORE Rise of Iron. No joke in the wall, the very top off the colony ship isn’t ripped off.. even the thunderlord mission was accurate because it showed the events of roi had taken place. I get for new light players that it is the same but for veterans it makes no sense. If anyone knows the answer to this please explain because I am very confused.
I was thinking the exact same thing
But the Cosmodrome looked to be in a more spring/summer state???
Not entirely sure why, but I think it's a recreation of the first mission for New Light players. You'll even come across NL players.
I think the best explanation is that they already had the area textured and modeled for New Light and they just didn't have the resources to make ANOTHER version for the Risk/Reward mission
Seasons change in game, as such with the revelry event (or whenever the thunder lord quest came out) it was at late fall/winter so so was the in game season, in risk reward it’s just hitting fall
Me: Having watched RUclips videos for the majority of the day while playing Destiny 2: Shadowkeep. Has university in the morning and something important to do in the afternoon of that day.
Byf: uploads a story/lore video on the most recent piece of Destiny 2 content.
Me: Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! *Sighs*
My mother noticing me watching RUclips late at night: What are you doing son?
Me: Moon's haunted.
My mother: What?
Me: Moon's..*cocks pistol*..haunted.
For some reason I'm picturing you saying the last part like Madea in the meme
Me: (grabs Noble rounds) need help with that haunted moon.
Hey Byf. Just my thoughts on the ending, but maybe the pyramid dumping us directly back into Sanctuary is supposed to show us that even our "safe zones"may not be as safe as we think. I see it as almost the pyramid making another subtle threat.
In one of the ViDocs Bungie actually said '' The darkness is closer than you think''
Haha that’s right the cheeky buggers
I’ve needed this since i saw the ending
When i first did the campaign, the first mission loaded with me with blueberries.
It was so, so epic.
Mrmelada it always does that
I really like the little memory quest post campaign. What we do for Eris is heartwarming.
Its at that point she tells her phantoms to leave her alone and then immediately apologies saying she needs them. I never thought that I'd be sympathetic towards our friendly neighbourhood space edge lord lady until that point
JACorvin and it phrases it as though we get to free all of the phantoms so that’ll be cool cause it’ll clearly be a weekly thing so maybe an exotic reward?
Praedyth & 200+ simulated teams of the 4 lore famous golden age scientists escape into the black garden in the Aspect lore book.
Also, they hired a voice actor for Saint 14. *google it*
So I googled it...
And Jon St John was the first result because google figured "Saint 14 = St. John"
I was so ready for Duke Nukem Saint 14.
"It's time to bash skulls and kill Kells, and I'm all outta Kells." *Reloads Perfect Paradox*
I love the pyramid so much. They absolutely nailed the reveal and atmosphere. It's so huge and ominous, and the interior is sinisterly beautiful.
That.
Theme.
I know we're racing towards Armageddon and all, but the fact that the Darkness has started texting us on a weekly basis is hilarious.
It's like being friends with Satan on social media.
When we all thought savathun was gonna be the big reveal in shadowkeep
Such simpler times
ClovenBog you haven’t done the new strike have you? Savathun is using the taken to go after other vex. Might be a vex civil war we don’t know about.
Zero Todona I’ve only done the strike about Crotas daughter
Really happy she’s involved with some of the bigger plot elements still
That turn where you first see the Pyramid ship; I gasped loud enough that my wife came to check to see if I was OK. I tried to explain how crazy it was that the ship was there but she knows little about Destiny besides that Nathan Fillion played Cayde. :)
Shadowkeep has been amazing so far and the Vex Offensive is just kicking off along with the Nightmare Hunts. If this is just the start of year 3 I think we have quite an exciting one on our hands.
“All enemies Destiny players should know.” So where’s papa Oryx?
He took himself, so maybe he's beyond the reach of the Darkness? I think the Taken are the Oryx's attempt to mimic the ability to create Nightmares, but beyond that the reason is probably that they didn't want two hive Nightmares at once, better to represent each races ultimate champion. They most likely chose Crota instead of Oryx because, ya know, Moon's Haunted.
@Time Well Spent Yeah, but Oryx would’ve been a much better fight than just sword slamming.
In all seriousness, since Bungie’s going for an over-time story, we’ll see the nightmare of Oryx later along the line.
@@devontricmoore I mean you aren't wrong, but he's just too powerful plot wise to show before Crota. Perhaps we'll see Oryx make an appearance later on, Quria is still out and about, so theres that to contend with for obvious reasons. Would be cool to get a strike where his Nightmare shows up. But we've also already kind of had the concept before by way of Echoes of Oryx
If you listen to the Veil as we move through the Pyramid ship, they very specifically picked each of the foes we face because they caused a great trauma to Guardians and humans in general. The thousands lost to Crota, Ghaul stealing our Light, The Fanatic being involved in Cayde's death. The Darkness is spinning a very speific narrative by using the illusions of these enemies, and surprisingly Oryx doesnt fit into that narrative. We beat him with little to no major losses or casualties, so the Darkness and the Veil dont need his likeness to prove their point.
Matt Mercer did a great job delivering the lines from the darkness. I'm so glad he voices my character
Thanks so much Byf, just watched Jez’s video on shadowkeep and was wondering who some of the names like Hashpadan was, perfect timing.
I would have loved to see some sort of Drifter interaction, since his ominous coinflip at the end of the Invitations of the Nine just showed the thing we confronted, oh well. Also, the story hopefully continues with the Seasons.
He hinted and so did Mara Sov. This story is far from being completed. The war has just begun.
whats with the drifter? i just started.
@@Jdemonify Without spoiling, keep eyes open on Fridays in the coming weeks and grab Xur's Invitation of the Nine (or just look it up on RUclips, it would need weeks to finish it to see what I mean) ;)
I saw that ending and it was, as you said, very abrupt but when thinking on it. There might be a bit of a reason for why we do not see the escape or the Guardian making it to safety. Of course, there are numerous possibilities but when coming down to it, there are two that seems to work for why the ending was made this way. Authors and screenwriters will sometimes use that to hide a secret or a crucial element that occurred in the plot so it would not be spoiled later.
1. The Guardian did not escape the Darkness, that all of this and everything about to occur in the upcoming seasons and raids are illusions created by these creatures. As the seasons progress, the Guardian will start to feel that 'reality' is wrong with the Garden of Salvation being the place where the first hint is dropped. And it would continue to progress that way until the Guardian finally breaks free, this would make sense for the Darkness to create such a reality around the character rather than releasing them.
The most powerful piece in the Traveler's arsenal trapped and unable to stop what is occurring on the outside, it could even be tied in with the Traveler eventually speaking to the Guardian. As the Darkness approaches, the Traveler is preparing and could show what occurred during the collapse or we could learn more secrets about what these darkness creatures are.
2. The second outcome is one that I strangely am hoping for. That the Guardian was released and everything else occurred in the ending but the Darkness left them with a parting gift. As it did with the Ghost, the Darkness slowly invades the Guardian's light, twisting it into darkness in order to take away the Traveler's most powerful piece. This would open up the possibilities for players to become Dark Guardians but it would be a slow progression as the light becomes denied until a critical point where the choice has to be made. Either serve the Darkness and live or serve the Traveler and die.
While both shows the insidious nature of the Darkness, the latter follows what we saw in Shadowkeep, that twisted way that it seems itself as their salvation.
But who knows, eventually they will tell us what the heck is going on.
These are very good observations and as someone who likes to write stories, I see these as possibilities that Bungie may very well be utilizing.
I like the idea that the darkness just through you out to show its power. Although I would of put a voice line:
*Darkness as Ghost*: "Always remember we can take your ghost, take your light, take your agency. But instead.. We give you.... Sanctuary...
I feel this would give the same powerless feeling whilenbe able to just throw you out. And this line kind of plays into the salvation thing. Just my thoughts tho
Guardian: “Who are you?”
Dark/Copy Guardian: “I’m you but with a voice actor...”
Also our guardian: Has a complete dialogue with A character for the first time in years
When you come across the pyramid for the first time and your character has done the xur bounties (at least I think this is the trigger) your ghost reactions to it differs. The ghost knows what the pyramid is. My warlock had this experience due to him completing all aspects of the game that can reveal story and possible secondary dialogue. My ghost on my Titan didn’t know what we were looking at. This is why I assume it’s the Xur bounties/visions of the nine because I never did that on my Titan and only on my warlock. While the cutscene at the end of the Red War reveals the pyramids for the first time our character has no idea of what we watched when the traveler awoke so i assume this triggered the dialogue
Damn, I thought it was veteran dialogue, which is why I didn't get it on pc, despite cross save being linked to me old xbox account. That does make sense, since I never bothered to finish the xur bounties.
@@rightupmyalley617 So that's why my 's Ghost reacted differently.
I LOVE the sequences in the various campaigns where Eris saves us. It really shows how much she cares, and you can hear the desperation in her voice as.she tries to save you where she couldn't save her own fireteam.
I agree. I commented the other day on the twitter thread that I feel like the campaign is unfinished... Since day 1 this has been a trend for destiny but I'm still sticking with it because there's just no game with lore or atmosphere quite like it. I just hope they start releasing finished stories some day.
The ending was a little... underwhelming? I wish that, after the cutscene of us in the Garden, rather then being put back in front of Eris, we get put back on the Pyramid ship and get given a fist glimps of the race/creatures that made the ships, a true first tangible look at the "Darkness". Enemies that are completely immune and all we can do is run to survive. I wanted us to feel powerless, cornered and be killed off helplessly, only to be resurrected on the viewing platform overlooking the Pyramid.
The Deep and the Sky(darkness and traveler) are the orbs and triangles, it's what they are, a race didnt make them, we are envoys of the light, the Traveler gave us a piece of its Light to fight for it, it seems the Deep is taking the vex and using them as their envoys
@@cyyptic1 I fair point. There are a few things though, the bigest is a piece of old concept art that shows a pyramid in the back ground, similar architecture, a statue with a large orb on it and two vieled statues with orbs of their own that look identical to that which we see inside the ship. Seemingly a sort of homeworld of sorts - i.imgur.com/zkMVSu9.jpg
Then there's that fact that the Hive do derive their power from the Darkness and the Vex worship it, but there's no evidence of either of them being inside the ship, especially the Hive who have known about the ship inside the moon for many years. If it doesn't want anyone inside that's onething, but there's properly defined architecture; cooridors, stairs, doors, pillers, rooms and statues.
Someone or something had to make it. The biggest bit of supporting evidence comes from the Drifter, or more specifically, the lore tabs on the Warlock Ancient Apocalypse armour where it literally talks about alien monoliths and "gooy vacuous form with no head" in them and on the icy planet that could silence the Light by just being in close proximity - www.destinypedia.com/Ancient_Apocalypse_Armor_(Warlock)
I don't believe the story is over I believe the story of shadowkeep will end with season of the undying or even the fourth season of shadowkeep
@@edge4266 I mean, there's still a dungeon to be released on the 29th
@@deadarashi6462 exactly, who knows what else Bungo have planned
It would've been cool if when you hear how a nightmare of omnigull went through the camp if you saw a few damaged or destroyed frames just lying in the background because they were slaughtered by the nightmare and it wouldve been even cooler if there was some ruined armor and some dead hive just lying around
Did you get all of the lost ghosts yet? Because I remember one of them telling us, as clear as day, to NOT trust Toland.
Thing is, has he said anything wrong so far?
@@cryw1092 well no, but I think we shouldn't trust the things he says in his patrols. I'm sure he's not telling us everything he knows, and I'm not going to believe everything he tells us either.
@@svahn1 I mean, yeah, he isn't telling us everything, but that does seem to be trend amongst many characters. I do get not trusting what he says in the patrols though. After all, who's to say he isn't an illusion this time?
Devils advocate: the ending of the Shadowkeep chapter, I think, ended that way narratively on purpose. You, a god slayer, an unstoppable force, a paracausal entity, someone that does not stop for anything that is in your way, comes face to face with entropy incarnate, the yang of the universal balance. You are nothing but a toy to it, an ant on a blade of grass, a miscalculation of design, you have slain gods and even so you are still nothing to them, they show you what they want you to see and nothing more, they give no hope, they show no mercy and prove that even in a place called ‘Sanctuary’ they hold power above all. You cut to black not because it’s unfinished, you cut to black because they force you to cease existing until they will you where they want you to be.
This ending has been plaguing my mind ever since I seen it, regardless of general consensus it’s beautifully written and masterfully executed. I can’t wait for the next chapter.
this is SO cool and well-written, and I do agree for the most part, but I still really would have liked to at least have some voice lines from Ghost as he regains his consciousness. (alternatively, i would have loved to see the Dark Guardian shove us off the edge. imagine the PARALLELS - the Darkness, a being of intense power, shoving the powerless, weaponless, Ghost-less Guardian off the ledge of the floating island = Ghaul, a being of intense power, shoving the powerless, weaponless, Ghost-less Guardian off the ledge of the battleship
"YOUR PROPHETS HAVE PROMISED YOU FREEDOM FROM A DOOMED EXISTENCE. BUT YOU WILL FIND NO SALVATION AMONG THE LIGHT." - Darkness im the form of the Gravemind
animeak116 Jesus freak 4 life ONI would like to know your location
@@kurtispowers5776 Im sorry but a Spartans call must be answered. My disappearance will do nothing but hinder my and Eris Morns way to stop the Darkness that seeks to destroy us all. Im a Guardian now. And if my Family disappears from the Last Safe City. Your heads on a Pike will be the least of your worrys. I may even feed your worthless agents to the Hive. This is your one and only Warning ONI. Spartan PS-091 out.
animeak116 Jesus freak 4 life chill out we know a way to defeat the darkness I was gonna share it with you but it seems your trust issues will cost you your feeble light
@@kurtispowers5776 Right like the time where you guys experimenting on people with said Darkness. My light isn't like that of the Traveler. I dont need help from ONI kid nappers and striped children of there lifes and turning them into war machines. If yea have a suggestion talk to Eris. I will never trust you to keep any word. Good by ONI
animeak116 Jesus freak 4 life we released the hive we started the riot in the prison of elders we are the reason ghaul attacked we are the darkness itself we are much worse than kidnappers we ARE A MONUMENT TO ALL YOUR SINS and we have listened watched and figured everyone’s strengths and weaknesses you think you have power that small ship on the moon is one of thousands of larger and more advanced ships you don’t stand a chance we will watch the end of the universe aboard the Leviathan we made the monster that will consume your light and everything else in existence so WHAT DO YOU HAVE
I dont mind the battle pass as long as they stick with some crappy gear and mostly cosmetics.
The last mission was so cool and very interesting
Savitar sad it was a cliffhanger
I’m wrong But same I was thinking there was gonna be like 5 more missions after that. Was surprised how short it was and how confused I was on the slain phantoms and the enemies. Also, no new boss fights? Wtf bungie I payed $60 to be entertained lol
@@chrism2004 there are probably going to be more missions coming as eris uncovers more on the mysterious artifact.
@@chrism2004 If you paid 60 it means you bought the entire expansion, meaning all the seasons that will be released during the next year. You are instead judging that entire experience with only the content of one of those 4 (I think) seasons. And you have an entire Raid, Nightmare Hunts, Nightfall: The Ordeal etc as new boss fights.
I really don't understand your problem
ParmesanCheese didn’t know that
So I'm kinda surprised that nobody (that I've seen thus far) has mentioned or noted that in final cutscene that we didn't see our ghost and not only that but I would argue more importantly is that we haven't heard a word from our ghost after the ship encounter which I think is super weird considering one would think that he would have something to say after literally being possessed by the darkness.
Actariouse64 supposedly there’s still more story to be told this season. So who knows
Imagine if the darkness took the form of cayde-6
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
I really thought we wouod have a nightmare Cayde during this.
indeed
Kaizer X Gaming :) I would love to kill him myself!
Wow.... "and questionably Xol."
You really did him dirty like that lol
There is sone lore in the Dreaming City where Toland says "You really believe you defeated a worm god?" Leading us to believe that Xol wasn't really Xol. Olor even if it was him, Xol is known as the weakest of all worm gods.
Casey Bledsoe precisely my reasoning for questioning his death. 👍
Lol, if xol was a god, he should of also had a raid like how oryx had a story mission and a raid
@@MynameisByf I feel Xol and The Disowned son himself are still alive and are planning a big return TBH. Like we just get murmurs of shit going down on Mars again and BOOM; there Xol is and at his side? None other than Nokris. I say the hive are coming to a point where a civil war is about to break out. Savathuun vs. Her nephew and a smoll wormy boi
Fanatic Potato Nokris isn’t dead. He still has his throne world so he’s fine. Xol is a gun, so he is getting fat and hâppy each time he feeds on death. Honestly, Xol is probably find with being a gun owned by a death machine.
Y’know
As cool as Eris is, I would’ve liked to see a revamped outfit. Maybe less of a bathrobe, but more of a hunter, cuz that is her class. Like a hood, and some different Hive armor, similar to the new red and white designs. Other than that though, she’s pretty cool.
Your review is perfect. Everything you said is exactly what I was feeling when playing the campaign. They really put a lot into this expansion and it was much more engaging. Felt this when Forsaken released, as it was taking a much darker tone in the series, which the game's lore isn't all that bright anyways. This review of your needs to be shared.
I spent a day doing every side quest because I thought there was another mission
you're not alone, I even did risk/ reward and expected another campaign mission :/
This video is how I know that I finished the campaign. I honestly had no idea that it was finished. I thought there was more.
@@flash4844 Speaking of Risk/Reward, GJ Bungie!
That quest was a neat intro to the weapon dungeon quests, and it's handed out very early on to new players, gives them a fun experience and a sick gun, teaches the catalyst system.
AND
They send you back to the Cosmodrome, where you can see/help some recently risen blueberry kinderguardians.
Thought I was gonna get sleep lmao
Itz Ye Boi same 😭
The one thing that I do like about the lack of a "how did we get out" is that it left a seed of doubt in my head. Did I get out? Is my guardian still my guardian or the doppelganger.
Byf I can’t wait for you to go over the new lore books “Last Days on Kraken Mare” and “Revelation”, both of which takes place during the Golden Age.
Kraken Mare takes place during the Collapse (or technically leading to it) on Titan while Revelation takes place sometime before this on the Moon and details the Anomaly Crucible map from vanilla.
Gameguy 1128 there’s another lore book that you get every week if you talk to Eris and it states it is information she gathers from the relic at the end of the story so that’s exciting!
The Darkness's body language in that cutscene of yourself reminded me of Uldren's.
Took me almost a whole day to realise the story had finished. I was waiting for the next step to drop and it just hasn't happened yet... left me rather cold on the story tbh and that's a shame because this was the most fun I'd had with destiny in a long time.
It's not over, at the end of every DLC we get a title card do you remember one for shadowkeep? No, meaning all of season of the undying and perhaps forward this annual pass is part of the story
@@edge4266 that was a very shitty reply consider I used the phrase "it just hasn't happened yet" if you're going to edge try not to fall off.
@@cybermunky3438 I'll be fully honest I was VERY tired last night and misread your comment
I'm just disappointed we didn't see the story roll into a raid.
I remember my exact words when the end cutseen finished were "that can't be the end"
i'm sorry byf, but no, shadowkeep is nowhere near as good as forsaken and not even in the same ballpark in regards to taken king.
Just the arcology part of caydes messages beats this.
Man when I turn the corner I just stopped and said “um ok. That escalated quickly.”
I don't know why but the pyramid ship, just gives me chills. I find the ship itself more terrifying than whatever Race or darkness is in there. Since I view it as the opposite of the Traveler. The Traveler is the light, he is round it's friendly, it won't hurt you, it's almost like it's playing Defensive. While the Pyramid Ship, is pointy. It looks like it's on the Offensive. So I can see why Destiny went with that shape for the Represention of the Darkness. But back to what I said Earlier, I guess the reason I find the Ship way more interesting and menacing. May be because it's the thing that we didn't have an answer to at the end of the Destiny 2 Red war Campaign. It had been Awoken and it was just a huge Mystery, we didn't know what they were, what they wanted, or where they were heading, we can just tell it's bad. So as we gain more information about them, and obviously the big reveal in Shadowkeep. Everytime I visit it, to examine it, glitching my way closer or Inside. I just feel like this is what all the DLCs in the past have been leading up to. This is THE BIG BAD BOSS, we've all been preparing, covering the holes in our technice, our armor and our weapons. That thing over there is what we've prepared for, and now that we see that the time is coming we can all say we are Ready. Ready to face whatever is in there...and that is just like...hmm, wow? When I look at all of this I'm just like "Wow" all of the stuff we've done, leads up to this. Sure, we've fought the Vex, the Fallen...but that thing? That's the Endgame
The darkness was closer than we thought I guess
Now we know why Rezyl Azzir went coocoo for PvP kills.
Gibblets raises a good point, did this Pyramid perhaps have a part in Rezyll’s corruption? After all that started a whole chain reaction, including Shin trying to get us to try using the darkness...
You couldn't be more right. New player and I'm here because I wasn't sure if the campaign was finished! Enjoyed it very much though and this channel is great! On to Beyond Light!
"Eris ... Get your rock. Off my map." Only the real can relate.
I’ve been playing Destiny since the beginning. As an older gamer, I don’t have the time, stamina, or even the desire to pour hours and sleepless nights into multiple games. Destiny is one of maybe two exceptions. The reason? Story. The richness of the lore in this game is amazing.
However, the way that it is presented, I.e. lore cards, make it difficult to stay focused or understand and follow clearly, for me. That’s why I truly enjoy and am thankful for your channel. You give the lore focus and clarity, and make it come alive. I love your videos. You have a gift. Keep it up.
And thank you.
I just started playing D2 again with Beyond Lights release and I first played through the Shadowkeep campaign and I gotta say that the story in it is really good but the campaign itself is pretty garbage, not at all phenomenal.. its like 90% of busy work, 8% of reused bosses and 2% actual good and new stuff..
I have a theory that at the end of the pyramid mission when your character met the other version of him or her self that the darkness swap your light character with the dark character. It's possible that the Guardian your playing as isn't really your guardian but the dark one from the garden. The doritos ship probably made a version to you to spy on earth and the traveler. When our character reported to eris, ikora, and zavala they all (except zavala) responded with "they are not our salvation. It could be likely that our character tried to convince them ( or not). And your ghost is probably corrupted by darkness. We never saw our ghost with us in black garden and there be no way for us to get of their without our ship unless the doritos send us back. And the artifact that we got is probably a trap of some kind. But it's just my theory. I find it weird for bungie to end the campaign like that.
Its bungie they freaking ended halo 2 with a massive cliffhanger
This seems weak. Glad I quit destiny. Bungie is incompetent as hell. They have a few great ideas but horrible execution. Not to even mention their absolute incompetence nerfing EVERYTHING!
Byf: stop if you dont want spoilers
Me: that Cant play D2 or any of its DLCs
...?
My PS4 is not working, so I FEEL YOU
XilDNA i dont have a PS4 xD
In regards to the three bosses in the Pyramid, I LOVED the Crota fight, since it legitimately rewards players who completed the Crota's End raid. Those players don't need the tool tip to tell them what to do, those players instinctively search for the Swordbearer to take out Crota the way we always did. To me, that's a show of EXTREMELY good game design.
*The last cutscene to wrap everything up after destiny 2 is over and moving to d3 better be those ships and I hope it cuts with someone saying "we're too late" as they see a shit load of ships upond us and then the screen cuts to black with that same music when we saw the ships at the end of the red war campaign🔺😲*
I don’t know if this is just me but I feel like the abrupt ending might have been intentional. The yin of the light guardian and yang of the darkness guardian, a cut to black, and then throwing us back into the world like nothing happened... I feel like it was done on purpose. Something happened, and we as an audience don’t know what, but I have to wonder if the darkness followed us out possibly, and is inhabiting our body with us as we exit through the cut to black? Not sure, just speculation. I’m hopeful that’s generally what they had in mind.
Last cutscene of the campaign had me laughing seeing the black ships like "it's the evil council from Kung Pow! THEY'RE FRENCH!!"
I think the main problem with destiny 2s art style is there is no contrast. Everything is so bright and colorful so the stuff that is supposed to be bright and colorful is not special. That's why guardians with supers popped in destiny 1 looked so cool. Or the hive in the dark. Becasue the rest of the world looked bleak and grim. But that's what I like. Destiny is a post apocalyptic game make it look like it bungie. Plus then the really cool stuff stands out. Even the black garden looked way cooler in destiny 1. Also destiny 2s armour is way to round and unrealistic. Actually everything in destiny 2 is to round. Destiny 1 had sharp edges and looked great. Destiny 2 looks like a bit of a mess. Also none of the bosses are as creative.
When they say the pyramid but it's a tetrahedron.
A tetrahedron is a triangular base pyramid
Those aren’t even remotely mutually exclusive.