While Harley debated on whether or not they wanted to make the Bronx, Indian made it, called it the FTR, and they offer it in 5 or 6 different trim and equipment levels. Harley needs to pull off a miracle to get in on that action at this point.
Not even a miracle, they just have to stop listening to investors and start making bikes more people would ride instead of catering solely to the aging dinosaurs.
@@nordicjourneysA 1290SuperAdventure is an objectively better Adventure bike, but I think the PA is absolutely a reasonable choice for someone who wants a "Adventure Touring" bike that's never going to be in anything harder than a dirt road, and is more concerned with looks. KTM's are, let's be real here.... Polarising looking *at best*. Personal tastes vary obviously, but I'd put money that a majority of people think the PA is a better looking bike than the 1290SA.
I’m a brand new rider. I chose the Nightster S as my first bike. It’s been great after 500 miles. I liked the tech the Nightster Special offered over its competitors. While the Rebel 1100 was a contender I just couldn’t get over how ugly the bike looks overall. You criticize the left side of the Nightster, but, to me, the Rebel is all “left side.” The Nightster was the best balance of classic styling and modern tech to attract me to the brand. Now, had I waited a month I probably would have considered the new Indian Scout lineup. However, I don’t like forward controls as my short little legs do not find that riding style comfortable. To each their own, but it is clear that HD hurt you at some point Yammie. It’s ok to cry brother. Doesn’t make you any less of a man.
I agree with your opinion on the Rebel's looks - any of them - but in Canada that Sportster S is $18k out the door, the last time I looked which was a couple of years ago, and for that much money Harley Davidson is welcome to keep it.
Your attacks on owners hurts my soul. Your criticism of the company are spot on. From killing buell to ending the vrod to killing the bronx, Harley seems determined to continue thumbing its nose at younger consumers. I love my 04 ultra (bought used) but Harley’s corporate leadership sux balls. I’ll never buy a new one.
Everyone is fair game when it comes to their choice of motorcycles. You get used to it. What you never get used to is corporate incompetency of the highest order. Young customers and more importantly new customers are the way to build any brand. You can't sell someone your second whatever it is until you sell them their first one. Harley just doesn't get it. Meanwhile, an ocean and a half away, there's a crusty old Indian biker (yes, he rides!) fronting a little outfit called Royal Enfield that out sells Harley Davidson at 8:1. And he sells them to new riders and young riders. I'm betting that he also sells 8X in parts, as well. Low life high school dropout dead head drug dealers know that you've got to make the first sale to a customer. You've got to get them hooked on your "stuff". Royal Enfield get this. Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki get this. Not the senior executives at Harley Davidson, though. They're too busy getting high on their own supply.
The owners are partly to blame. They produce the bikes people buy. So far people don’t buy Harleys that aren’t the traditional cruisers. At the end of the day money talks. Something like the Bronx would be relatively expensive to produce and not sell for as much as some big bagger.
Good luck with that. I pre ordered my Super Cruiser, I hope it gets shipped to my house if and when production starts. Just learn how to wrench, that way it doesn't matter if a dealership is close and right now 1190's can be picked up inexpensively.
I have owned an 1190rx since March of 2014, it does track duty only today and does an excellent job. I also had a 2014 SX which I wish I would have kept, they really are great bikes.
As a Buell Guy, (and now also owner of a Sportster S) HD is now finally trying to implement tech and performance that Erik Had been trying to get them to embrace for almost 30 years prior to them cutting him off at the knees. Had HD not cut him off, who knows where Buell would be today.. (the new “Buell” doesn’t count IMO)
No, they raced but his bikes produced under HD were basically street fighters before that term really existed. When he started EBR he became more race focused, now he builds E-bikes
@@MrThatoneguy148 Why did you sell? (unless you had to, in that case what a bummer). I still have mine and it rocks........ even after umpteen years of ownership
The smart move for HD would be to offer something with the proportions of a FXDX or FXR with a higher ride height and inverted front forks, and use a tuned up revo max motor then sell that under the Bronx name. They can make an up market version of the se Bronx by throwing on an FXRP style fairing and bags, an ST badge and and people while buy it as a mini Harley sport tourer. 10 year old FXDXs are selling for insane prices, Dyna T-sports especially. A modern T-sport would sell like hot cakes, but a HD branded sport naked wouldn't compete against the literal dozens of other competitors. Plus, reworking the existing Sportster frame could keep costs down.
@@slonlo364 I’d agree with you 3 or 4 years ago, but HD discontinued the Dyna in 2018, then turned around and made a Dyna-like bike out of the softail and sold it as a street bob, then again as the low rider (both previous Dyna models) and they’ve been selling those models left and right. And the softail frame is meant to be a low slung lazy cruiser, imagine taking the Sportster S chassis and massaging it into a modern Dyna? The Buell super cruiser is basically a modern FXR and there’s a ton of buzz surrounding that, I’m willing to bet HD sees all what’s happening and is working to make their own version. Younger HD buyers want club style HDs that handle in corners, but are forced to buy a softail if they can afford one or a 15 year old Dyna if they can’t, but Dyna prices are through the roof. Imagine a modern option with modern amenities at a decent price? That’s the niche that the Bronx could fill.
I never knew this existed. I understand classic bikes from Harley are it's bread and butter. This Bronx looks amazing to me and I honestly wouldn't hesitate to get it. Sad that this might not see the light again but I'm hopeful at least.
Yes, the Rev Max only looks finished on one side. Unfortunately, the finished side looks like the engine in a Little Tikes “My First Harley.” Also, the unfinished side makes me think that the Panamerica is the only adventure bike that will cause someone to say “yeah, I dropped the bike and tore my coil off!”
Can't agree with you. Sporster S is really badass vehicle to drive. Looks awesome, acceleration is brutal and addictive. Handling may be challenging sometimes, but I can't say it's not fun. It's lots of fun everytime I turn the engine on.
The Bronx was one of the motorcycles I was actually excited for. Because in theory, it would’ve been so light in terms of maintenance. Hydraulic lifters and a belt drive. That the 975 would’ve put out power proportional to the 1250. It would’ve sat somewhere around 80 to 90 hp 50 or 60 pounds of torque 550 pound bike which would’ve been a great bike for me. Of course, it likely would’ve carried the Harley Davidson price premium, which I would’ve went looking for one a year or two after it actually dropped, but still it was on my radar 0:47
One thing that I haven't seen anyone talk about when talking about Harley Davidson is the dealership experience. I have a Nightster Special, and I really love it. It's fun, it's fast, and allows me to ride "sporty" even with my bad back. I liked your video! I like all of your videos, fwiw lol. With that disclaimer to the side, the reason I was convinced to even LOOK at Harley Davidson was because of the dealership experience. I walked into three other motorcycle dealerships in my area that sold a variety of bikes and no one took me seriously. No one let me test ride a bike. (I had been riding for 3 years). And I showed SPECIFIC interest in certain bikes. I walked into HD with my brother in law who was buying a bike and saw the way HD treated him and I was impressed. They let me test ride 3 different bikes, and I didn't like any of them. I explained my reasons. A few weeks go by and I personally get called to say "we have this new bike, I think it matches your criteria"...I ended up signing the papers as soon as I was done test riding it. Ever since then, I have been treated like family whenever I walk into that dealership. And any other HD dealerships too. It may be an HD cultural thing but there's a reason it has a fan base. IF HD were to come out with the Bronx, whichever younger rider would come in and buy one would end up an HD fan for life, because of its ability to build comradery with its buyers.
The profit numbers don’t tell the whole story. Some of that profit is through inflation. Harley Davidson, like other manufacturers of other items had purchased, and had contracts, at the pre-inflation cost/rates. Then turned and sold the items they built at the inflated rate.which shows an accurate accounting of the profits. So the profits are due to inflation not because of good business.
It's a rubbery figure anyway that you look at it. It's the sort of number that CEO's wave about to keep the shareholders from sacking them. Riding the inflation gravy train is but one way that Harley Davidson have been able to bump that number up. Unfortunately, for buyers, cost cutting is just as likely as big of a contributing factor.
Dealers are making nearly the same profit on a lot of those CVO models. They are listed at $5k on top of MSRP at rallies and they sell every single one of them.
I’ve seen it where people are lowering the pan am and putting it on 17s and making their own bronx since for some reason the pan am actually handles amazing and looks pretty good in my opinion
5:59 but you didn’t like the old sportster either, by my recollection. Understandable sentiment. But I tend to agree with your original take on the evo sportster. All the “allure” was just major flaws
People seem to forget about the XR1200, similar bike in a similar segment. Didn't sell. There are a small few who would be interested in the bike. I still wish they would make it and also a 1250 variant.
There is a vendor, Condor, that makes lifts and trailer accessories... the owner has a XR1200 that he hauls around for demoing products with, it has a Yoshi exhaust and full Ohlins suspension. That thing is a blast to ride around on! Always try to take it for a spin when I work shows.
I really wanted an XR back in the early 2000’s. Was shopping for a new bike and thought that one was really cool. But, the Harley sales people wouldn’t even acknowledge me since they were busy selling big bikes to Boomers. Went down the road and bought an SV1000s. Which turned out to be a better bike anyway. Although resale on the XR would have been nice.
When i saw the bronx at the Salon de la moto de Montréal. it was a Harley that i could have considered buying. i loved the way it looked. Never owned a Harley. i ride an fjr1300, fz09, and 84 honda nighthawk s 750. i probably wouldn t have been able to afford it though
The revolution max engine is phenominal. HD is smart to limit it to just three models right now. Give it a few more years and theyll design new models around it.
The Bronx would be neat in like... the kinda retro way that I'd like another VTR1000 Superhawk. A v-twin muscle bike can be interesting in a way the p-twins never will, but... I don't think they could produce it to a cost that would actually sell. It's like H-D literally can't stomach an MSRP under $18k
From my personal view, Bronx could make sense depending how would HD market that bike - head to head with Ducati monster would be stupid, sure, but heavier, belt driven naked highway tourer with hydraulic valve lifters makes alot of sense for people like me as I do 4000-5000km per month. Don't know how much costs Pan America in US, but over here is priced pretty competitive
I’m glad it’s not been made to be honest. I’ve rode nothing but Harley’s (mostly older shovelheads) for a decade from 18 to 28 years old. Then I didn’t ride at all for about 6 years. This winter I started shopping for a bike again. I knew I wanted something pretty capable and sporty. Like 100hp+ and a more aggressive riding position than a sportster. Had the Bronx been available, that is without a doubt what I would’ve bought. Instead, I got to spend six months really doing research, looking at soooo many different models and categories of motorcycles. It opened me up to a whole new world of riding (and this channel!) to explore and enjoy. I pretty quickly got an idea of what was going to best suit my wants and needs. My shortlist is gonna be pretty obvious for someone that would’ve bought the Bronx. Only three bikes made the shortlist and they were a Triumph street triple, the Yamaha XSR900, and the Ducati Monster. I kinda knew I wanted more than two cylinders as well, and so with that, I popped on over to the local Yamaha dealer and picked up their last ‘23 XSR900!! So thank you HD for not making the Bronx and allowing me to purchase one of the better, more exciting, and great value bikes out there right now. A bike that @yammienoob himself compared favorably to an MV Agusta! And MAN do I love to hear that CP3 triple sing now! 😁😁
Yamaha had the MT-01, a huge v-twin and although impressive on paper, it really missed the mark, it could not combine the cruiser power plant and a sport bike frame, it never made it to the U.S.
I love the XB12 to death, but having ridden an MT01, I can only describe it as the XB12 on steroids. The MT01 was released in a time where all the manufacturers were chasing power figures on sport bikes and naked bikes weren't considered a top tier choice. That bike would make a lot more sense in today's market, however I don't think it will have a succesor anytime soon.
While I am in favor of advancement and improvement, I feel like HD dropped the ball by killing the air-cooled Evo engine by doing so too quickly and, among other things, phoning in the design for the Sportster S. I mean really, it looks like a Fat Bob and an FXDR had an incest baby. As for the Evo engine, I think they should have kept it around as a lower-cost backup or beginner option for younger riders.
I've been off and on sportsters, shadows, and the like for years now. Hell I'm getting a used fatbob from a buddy as soon as I get back to the lower 48, but I want something that's just really fun and I feel like the Bronx was a good looking bike. Shame they never released it. Guess I'll just buy an MT-07 or GSX-8S for likely less than half the cost.
TBH I've chosen ex demo (1y-o / 3.000 miles) Nighster S (30% off of new motorcycle price). Over other sporty(ish) cruisers like Indian scout, kawasaki vulcan or Rebel. For now It's perfect Motorcycle for me, and I do love it over ot's competitors. Much better riding position IMHO. Now that I'm looking to my second bike, some powerful naked, If BRONX eould be available it could be on my shortlist, as it looks bonkers and better than many other nakeds in my opinion. Also Yammie i think you are a bit biased 😅... Understandably but still ;)... Harley needs new buyers and young ones. Although it's true they need to figure out how to make some of the bukes more price accessible :)
Harley's attempt to become a luxury brand reminds me of a clothing company I used to work at called Ruehl no.925. It was Abercrombie's attempt to move upscale and generate higher margins on its products. Turns out, you can't slap the luxury label on something and expect consumers to blindly follow along, and the brand folded after a few years. Harley had fostered a blue collar appeal for decades, and I don't see them successfully upscaling into the luxury segment anytime soon.
@@justinyoface911 the rear suspension has minimal travel and apparently makes for a jarring ride. Full disclosure..I've never ridden 1, but was interested in them last year..
I actually think the Bronx looks pretty sweet. Its just about the only HD i would consider riding. I have a coworker with the Nightster and really thats a sweet looking HD as well. I really cant stand HD but those two bikes speak to me a bit. Literally nothing else from HD does.
So I love the Harley sound. I love the Ducati sound. i love the sound of a cross plane crank. I would only buy a Harley Bronx. 150 hp is too little too late in the new world order of hyper nakeds. But for how I live and ride I'd buy one as soon as it came out!
If they treat potential Bronx buyers like they did with the Buell biles, then it's better that the Bronx just stays cancelled. You were told you can find the Buells somewhere in the farthest corner of the showroom and they'd suggest a Sportster instead... Wtf! My opinion is that Buell was cancelled by HD because the brand wasn't selling as expected, but that was due to the dealer network basically sabotaging the brand in favor of their traditional offering.
As much as I like my Sportster S, it did fail to do what Harley expected. I think the Bronx would have got more people interested than the Sportster S. Sportster S sales are so bad when I took my 2021 to get serviced. 2 Harley dealerships said they never serviced one before. If Harley made the Bronx, I would probably sell my Sportster S to get one.
I think the Sportster S just wasn’t enough for the money. Typical Harley people consider the sportster a beginners bike and outside of Harley there’s other bikes with similar everything for much less money. To be competitive it would have needed to either be cheaper, or better.
@@NBSV1True but the same can be said for any premium manufacturer such as Ducati and BMW. BMW has cruisers priced higher than a Sportster S and has less features and performance. But no one calls out BMW for it. Also in the US Harley is the top selling motorcycle manufacturer. So Yammie Noob is right that Harley doesn’t really have to change. When they do release something different like the Vrod, Sportster S, FXDR, Pan-Am and such. People complain and just buy the bikes with the more traditional styling. The Sportster S outclasses most cruisers in its same category and your response is they should make it better. The current lineup has more variety than they ever had. They have the high reving, sportier bikes packed with tech and Harley’s latest. They have bikes with more traditional engines and styling, they have bikes in the middle, they have electric motorcycles. And like the Vrod and such people say they don’t like it and then Harley discontinues the line. Everyone suddenly thought it was a great bike. It’s why many call the Sportster S the Vrod 2.0 It’ll likely get discontinued and then RUclipsrs will claim they’ve always liked it.
I think that noob has so much hate for harley that he will NEVER admit how well the sportster s stacks up against 95% of the bikes he reviews. Expense aside The sportster is quicker than most (even at 502lbs). Handles adequately enough for twisties and street for the average ride. Plus has all the modern tech of today. I love the revolution max engine. If HD made a 400lb bike with the rh1250s engine i would buy it in a hearbeat and it would slay everything else out there. Hands down.
@@noahknight4039 In the Harley lineup the sportster is basically the bottom. As great as they are for a lot of people that image persists. Regardless of features and performance the Sportster S ends up priced high enough to put it with other models that have a “better image”. In a lot of ways the Vrod ended up in the same boat. On paper it was great. In reality people went for the more traditional bikes.
Actually I was very much looking forward to a 1250 version of the Bronx. While my Tuono Factory is an amazing machine, I miss my EBR 1190sx, big twin naked bikes are a blast to ride. The benefit would be that we would have a really good dealer network, something the Euro brands lack. The thought of HD moving into the 21st century is pretty cool also! lol
I do think the new RevMax engine will help Harley, but actually being able to produce and release a quality bike that new riders may be geared towards is important. I work at a H-D Dealership, and for sure the main audience is typically 30+, more often 40+. But there are some younger people who come in. However, I think if Harley were to do the Bronx, it should have a model of the 975 and the 1250. The nightster (975cc) carries as a updated Sportster while the Sportster S (1250cc) is going down a whole new line in terms of styling and everything altogether. I think a naked with the 975 is close to a Nightster, but if tuned to be more torquey and fun, could be worth it. I believe the Nightster has around 72ftlbs of torque, but it does not feel like it. My 650 feels more torquey. In short, The Lowrider ST was more fun than the Sportster S or Nightster. In terms of a similar engine in the tourings, no. That won't happen. Mainly due to the fanbase of Harley. There are still people who come in who will only buy a twin-cam bike and not even be interested in the Milwaukee 8 engine, even the newer years. For the Pan America, I actually recently talked to someone who has a Tenerife. When even feeling the Pan-Am out, despite it being 100lbs heavier than the Tenerife, it felt just as light, and I know I was surprised. The Pan-Am also has an interesting suspension gizmo that has regular height in speed, but slowing down/stopped, lowers you 1-2 inches which is pretty neat. Overall, I think if Harley continues to only do their cruisers and tourings in their current state, it will continue the trend of being less and less popular. Don't get me wrong, H-D buyers are typically die-hards. But you have to look forward and make something for a whole new generation of riders. I think the Bronx is a good start, but it'd have to be a DAMN good naked style to be competitive, and the hardest obstacle would be the price tag, with little features coming second. Main thing I give Harley, nearly all their bikes have cruise. Give me cruise on a zx6r damnit.
As a longtime Harley guy, I think the old CEO was on the right track. They can still make their heritage models and look to the future at the same time. This new guy seems to be thinking very short term. That said, the Bronx was never really interesting to me anyway. The Pan America certainly is, but the Bronx really offered anything to me.
As much as i'd like to see the Bronx become a reality, I'd still stick to a MT10 or something similar. I would kinda like to see it make a comeback as a XR1250 though but realistically harleys are always out of my price range and higher maintenance and the revmax platform still needs to prove itself.
Harley should have built the Bronx instead of the PanAm it would compete more closely with Indian’s FTR which you failed to mention in your naked bike segment. It seems to me that Indian understands the market and listens to consumer feedback because the FTR while still more expensive than most naked/Street fighter offerings is something that younger riders connect with and it is a great platform if you want an American manufactured bike that has hooligan potentials. Harley is going to ruins as far as I’m concerned and that is why I will not be buying another one unless it is pre-1968. I want to build a mid 50s Servi-car, and maybe a knuckle but want nothing doing with the modern stuff unless I can find a V-rod for a reasonable price to build my own version of a Bronx out of.
I think the nightster is not a bad bike, but for the asking price of that and all other Harleys, if I can't find them used for 5-10k off price I just would not even consider them. I can't justify a 2x price tag for the Harley name
That's because we Americans are stubborn and for some reason love our American brand motorcycles. I personally can't say the same but many Americans feel that way.
I have 50 K miles on my 2019 ultra Limited. Fortunately, I have the extended warranty because the engine destroyed itself due to lack of oiling overtime. I truly believe that Harley Davidson is a great motorcycle for people who really don’t ride motorcycles the way that motorcycles would be intended to ride? It seems as if you use them on a regular basis or use them aggressively they either wear out prematurely or just break. If you want to cruise the speed limit and spend all day going 40 or 50 miles because you stop at so many bars, talk and bullshit with your friends? Then I think they’re great motorcycles.
I'm younger than you, and I'm old enough to remember when World Super bikes were either 750 cc fours or 1000 cc twins and top tier GP bikes were a mere 500 CC. I don't know when a 100+ hp. 900 became a "middleweight" to others, but in my mind it's still anything but a "middleweight". A Royal Enfield 650 is a "middleweight", and a 100+mph bike. Go figure.
I wouldn’t buy a Bronx I have to say, but I would buy a brand new 2nd gen V-Rod if they ever decide to make one (and no, the Sportster S is a very different machine than my current VRSCF)
Went to a HD dealership the other day but I left because I wasn't trying to walk around in the 6-8 inches of oil that covered the entire show room floor.
We got a brand new GSX-800S denim black on blue that someone traded in for a Harley. I about shit myself when I seen it. It had less than 400 miles and still had the dealer tag on it from that dealer.
I’m be fair, the sportster S is a unique bike, but I will say this. For stock it is the worst bike to get. The tires that come on it suck, it has no sound from the exhaust, and it lacks the grunt of a sport bike. I wanted one from when they were released and I seen so many mixed reviews, I test drove one, very fun and I traded my 04 xb12s buell that came with the race exhaust and ecu. Unfortunately, that fun quickly faded as the only thing i still like is the really quick acceleration, but honestly, I miss my wheelie machine. I will say the insurance is the best part of Harley’s, I’m 20 and my insurance is 60 dollars a month, my 2004 buell was 180. The upfront cost is a lot, but the basic month cost is lower tbh. Now once you get to modifying the sportster S, that’s where I think the bike truly transforms. Also the bike is trackable stock, just leave TC on because the stock tires will cause the bike to slide out EASY, you can spin the rear tire in second without using the clutch. Honestly was it worth it, 50/50, if the Harley dealer near me gets a trade in that is a nice sport bike, I’m trade it in, if not, no point in trying to get rid of it.
If you're not gonna ride the Sportster S or the Nightster, Yammie, your opinion doesn't count for anything. Hop on and make informed opinions, instead of parroting memes!
@@nonyabusiness4151 I put them on my KTM990 and it feels like its running on rails in comparison to the previous tyres the bike came with. I'd say they're better, the confidence they bring changed the way I ride.
I got them today and I'm very happy they feel like new bike the tip in to me feels so good and confident I am not blasting tho average street stuff hope it helps someone
As a die hard Harley fan and a person who has thrown hate at sport bikes before I was really sad when they threw this bike in the garbage. I love Harley but they have to make bikes for modern riders. I am 16 and love my softail deuce but not many young riders want a big heavy old school cruiser.
Even in that highly competitive market, it would be refreshing to see an actual V2 sport naked in this sea of inline twins. Kinda like an SV1000 was. It might suffer the same fate as the XR1200, but I'd love to see them at least try. Come on HD, spend a little gambling money. You can still axe it after two years and continue with t-shirts and bedazzled pink dog collars.
I would pay a premium for an American motorcycle that fell in line with the things I love about my Triumph. HD is overpriced, but I do like my American commodities if they’re comparable to their foreign counterparts. But… that’s just not HD thinking.
My guess is that the current CEO is readying Harley Davidson to be sold to another company like the parent company of Ducati , which is directly owned by Italian automotive manufacturer Lamborghini, whose German parent company is Audi, itself owned by the Volkswagen Group. This is the only way I can make sense of the current CEO of Harley Davidson's strategy.
Great video! I think though, a lot of people do care about Harley-Davidson, care about its heritage and care about its people. Unfortunately, under Jochen Zeitz and his board of non-motorcyle industry people, Harley-Davidson is in peril. His legacy will not be a proud one. Harley-Davidson's customer base is literally dying off. There are lots of people who want to buy a HD, but HD don't build a bike they want or can afford. I don't think there's been a time since the buy back that HDs future has been so perilous, and there's certainly never been a time in HDs history that it has a board so disconnected from its company heritage, ethos, values and customers. How frustrating it must be for HD employees. I'd love to head Willie Gs thoughts on the current board? Let's hope Jochen Zeitz and his board move on before irreparable damage is done.
I mean, a 115hp bike isn't competing with sv650's. But yeah, it's tough as it's competing with very strong options that *will be* cheaper (I'm looking at you, MT09SP) but ultimately HD can really leverage its name and brand. Honestly, even as a diehard Yamaha fanboy (I've owned or currently own the entire MT line, Tracer, and Tenere) I'd *seriously* consider a Bronx.
@@Wintersdark is not just the raw power, it's the whole package, the power to weight ratio, the handling, things that spec sheets barely hint at. Who looks at the 60-to-zero distance and times?
@@saintsempai i mean, it's not just 0-60 but there is a SUBSTANTIAL power difference between a 650-class bike (I owned an MT07, a good friend owns a sv650 I've ridden extensively) and a 120ish HP platform (see also: MT09, etc). They're not competitors in any way. This isn't a criticism of the SV, it's a great bike... But the 70ish HP nakeds and 110ish HP nakeds are very different markets. And really, nobody seriously considering a Bronx is really cross shopping an sv650. Not only wildly different power catagories, but the Bronx is a MUCH better looking bike. The SV is a bit of a workhorse, very functional, but quite dated at this point, and not particularly attractive. And not American.
@@Wintersdark yet again, it's not just the power, it's the complete package of handling that I was referring to: braking, cornering, and gear ratios matched to the engine's power band. That combination of handling is what makes a naked bike sweet in town and on canyon roads. Americans do straight line: SR-71, Saturn V rocket, .30-06... But handle well? Kinda not so much.
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The 1250 Sportster had all the ingredients to be a decent rival to the Ducati Diavel and totally missed the mark.
While Harley debated on whether or not they wanted to make the Bronx, Indian made it, called it the FTR, and they offer it in 5 or 6 different trim and equipment levels. Harley needs to pull off a miracle to get in on that action at this point.
Under rated comment. Very true.
Not even a miracle, they just have to stop listening to investors and start making bikes more people would ride instead of catering solely to the aging dinosaurs.
The FTR is bigger than the Bronx was supposed to be, more of a tourer than a street fighter or sport bike.
@@sunsinger970 The FTR? A tourer? ....🤣
The ftr r carbon is my next bike . 🤘
As a sport-bike guy, the Bronx is the only HD that's ever caught my attention.
Stick to your foreign sport bikes. Don't show interest in Harley now.
I'm excited about the new Indian Scout line.
I test rode a Harley panamerica and a KTM 1290, I went with the KTM
May I ask why? I was considering buying a pan America so I want to know what you thought its flaws were.
I dont know anyone who would go PA over a 1290 but thats just me
@@nordicjourneys Ok but why? Price? Tech? Performance? What does it actually do better?
@@billsheppard2433probably performance and the way the bike carries its weight (lower center of gravity).
@@nordicjourneysA 1290SuperAdventure is an objectively better Adventure bike, but I think the PA is absolutely a reasonable choice for someone who wants a "Adventure Touring" bike that's never going to be in anything harder than a dirt road, and is more concerned with looks. KTM's are, let's be real here.... Polarising looking *at best*. Personal tastes vary obviously, but I'd put money that a majority of people think the PA is a better looking bike than the 1290SA.
Shirts and hats are keeping H-D in business
Squeezing less horsepower out of more displacement for x (number of) years. . .
don't forget belt buckles.... oh and rings!
and parts
Don't forget the Museum
You forgot the last pensions in America and social security checks.
I’m a brand new rider. I chose the Nightster S as my first bike. It’s been great after 500 miles. I liked the tech the Nightster Special offered over its competitors. While the Rebel 1100 was a contender I just couldn’t get over how ugly the bike looks overall. You criticize the left side of the Nightster, but, to me, the Rebel is all “left side.” The Nightster was the best balance of classic styling and modern tech to attract me to the brand. Now, had I waited a month I probably would have considered the new Indian Scout lineup. However, I don’t like forward controls as my short little legs do not find that riding style comfortable. To each their own, but it is clear that HD hurt you at some point Yammie. It’s ok to cry brother. Doesn’t make you any less of a man.
I agree with your opinion on the Rebel's looks - any of them - but in Canada that Sportster S is $18k out the door, the last time I looked which was a couple of years ago, and for that much money Harley Davidson is welcome to keep it.
Your attacks on owners hurts my soul. Your criticism of the company are spot on. From killing buell to ending the vrod to killing the bronx, Harley seems determined to continue thumbing its nose at younger consumers. I love my 04 ultra (bought used) but Harley’s corporate leadership sux balls. I’ll never buy a new one.
Everyone is fair game when it comes to their choice of motorcycles. You get used to it. What you never get used to is corporate incompetency of the highest order. Young customers
and more importantly new customers are the way to build any brand. You can't sell someone your second whatever it is until you sell them their first one. Harley just doesn't get it.
Meanwhile, an ocean and a half away, there's a crusty old Indian biker (yes, he rides!) fronting a little outfit called Royal Enfield that out sells Harley Davidson at 8:1.
And he sells them to new riders and young riders. I'm betting that he also sells 8X in parts, as well.
Low life high school dropout dead head drug dealers know that you've got to make the first sale to a customer. You've got to get them hooked on your "stuff". Royal Enfield get this. Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki get this. Not the senior executives at Harley Davidson, though. They're too busy getting high on their own supply.
I’ll never buy a Harley anything lol
The owners are partly to blame. They produce the bikes people buy. So far people don’t buy Harleys that aren’t the traditional cruisers. At the end of the day money talks. Something like the Bronx would be relatively expensive to produce and not sell for as much as some big bagger.
@@NBSV1I see alot of younger guys and some girls on used 3,500 dollar sportsters. Anything brand new today is overpriced.
Honestly, if there's a dealership reasonably close to where I live, I'm reallllly interested in a new Buell.
Good luck with that. I pre ordered my Super Cruiser, I hope it gets shipped to my house if and when production starts. Just learn how to wrench, that way it doesn't matter if a dealership is close and right now 1190's can be picked up inexpensively.
@gvs1173 I already wrench on my dyna, and to be honest I'm looking at a hammerhead or possibly the naked version.
I can't believe people haven't learned their lesson about buell yet
Judging by what's been going on at Harley Davidson, I'm reckoning that they wish they had a brand new Buell, too.
I have owned an 1190rx since March of 2014, it does track duty only today and does an excellent job. I also had a 2014 SX which I wish I would have kept, they really are great bikes.
Yes!!! My Sportster S is getting shade wooo!
As a Buell Guy, (and now also owner of a Sportster S) HD is now finally trying to implement tech and performance that Erik Had been trying to get them to embrace for almost 30 years prior to them cutting him off at the knees. Had HD not cut him off, who knows where Buell would be today.. (the new “Buell” doesn’t count IMO)
Doesn't Erik Buell only really care about racing?
No, they raced but his bikes produced under HD were basically street fighters before that term really existed. When he started EBR he became more race focused, now he builds E-bikes
Sorry it doesn't count. I own a '14 1190 SX and it's nothing short of a never ending Wohoo moment.
Miss my 1125CR
@@MrThatoneguy148 Why did you sell? (unless you had to, in that case what a bummer). I still have mine and it rocks........ even after umpteen years of ownership
Wasted 3 seconds of my life googling if there was a Harley store in Disney Springs... Yes, there is.
I bought the Nightster 975 last August, I can say it's not disappointing at all, it feels amazing when riding the bike, and I like it quite much!
The smart move for HD would be to offer something with the proportions of a FXDX or FXR with a higher ride height and inverted front forks, and use a tuned up revo max motor then sell that under the Bronx name. They can make an up market version of the se Bronx by throwing on an FXRP style fairing and bags, an ST badge and and people while buy it as a mini Harley sport tourer. 10 year old FXDXs are selling for insane prices, Dyna T-sports especially. A modern T-sport would sell like hot cakes, but a HD branded sport naked wouldn't compete against the literal dozens of other competitors. Plus, reworking the existing Sportster frame could keep costs down.
But instead they are going to continue to sell more overpriced Astroglides with light bars from Tractor Supply on the front.
@@slonlo364 I’d agree with you 3 or 4 years ago, but HD discontinued the Dyna in 2018, then turned around and made a Dyna-like bike out of the softail and sold it as a street bob, then again as the low rider (both previous Dyna models) and they’ve been selling those models left and right. And the softail frame is meant to be a low slung lazy cruiser, imagine taking the Sportster S chassis and massaging it into a modern Dyna? The Buell super cruiser is basically a modern FXR and there’s a ton of buzz surrounding that, I’m willing to bet HD sees all what’s happening and is working to make their own version. Younger HD buyers want club style HDs that handle in corners, but are forced to buy a softail if they can afford one or a 15 year old Dyna if they can’t, but Dyna prices are through the roof. Imagine a modern option with modern amenities at a decent price? That’s the niche that the Bronx could fill.
like the Buell Supercruiser? Harley is late on that train too 🤣
I never knew this existed. I understand classic bikes from Harley are it's bread and butter. This Bronx looks amazing to me and I honestly wouldn't hesitate to get it. Sad that this might not see the light again but I'm hopeful at least.
Yes, the Rev Max only looks finished on one side. Unfortunately, the finished side looks like the engine in a Little Tikes “My First Harley.” Also, the unfinished side makes me think that the Panamerica is the only adventure bike that will cause someone to say “yeah, I dropped the bike and tore my coil off!”
Mechanical watches. 1911 pistols. Harley Davidsons.
Mechanical watches are actually reliable
Garmin Vivioactive 5, Glock 43 and Kawasaki. I'm young at heart
Overated, outdated, passed up.
Are we naming things that boomers pay way too much money for?
No watch, no gun, just an XT500😊
Can't agree with you. Sporster S is really badass vehicle to drive. Looks awesome, acceleration is brutal and addictive. Handling may be challenging sometimes, but I can't say it's not fun. It's lots of fun everytime I turn the engine on.
Turbo Busa @3:37
The Bronx was one of the motorcycles I was actually excited for. Because in theory, it would’ve been so light in terms of maintenance. Hydraulic lifters and a belt drive. That the 975 would’ve put out power proportional to the 1250. It would’ve sat somewhere around 80 to 90 hp 50 or 60 pounds of torque 550 pound bike which would’ve been a great bike for me.
Of course, it likely would’ve carried the Harley Davidson price premium, which I would’ve went looking for one a year or two after it actually dropped, but still it was on my radar 0:47
One thing that I haven't seen anyone talk about when talking about Harley Davidson is the dealership experience. I have a Nightster Special, and I really love it. It's fun, it's fast, and allows me to ride "sporty" even with my bad back. I liked your video! I like all of your videos, fwiw lol. With that disclaimer to the side, the reason I was convinced to even LOOK at Harley Davidson was because of the dealership experience. I walked into three other motorcycle dealerships in my area that sold a variety of bikes and no one took me seriously. No one let me test ride a bike. (I had been riding for 3 years). And I showed SPECIFIC interest in certain bikes. I walked into HD with my brother in law who was buying a bike and saw the way HD treated him and I was impressed. They let me test ride 3 different bikes, and I didn't like any of them. I explained my reasons. A few weeks go by and I personally get called to say "we have this new bike, I think it matches your criteria"...I ended up signing the papers as soon as I was done test riding it. Ever since then, I have been treated like family whenever I walk into that dealership. And any other HD dealerships too. It may be an HD cultural thing but there's a reason it has a fan base.
IF HD were to come out with the Bronx, whichever younger rider would come in and buy one would end up an HD fan for life, because of its ability to build comradery with its buyers.
The profit numbers don’t tell the whole story. Some of that profit is through inflation. Harley Davidson, like other manufacturers of other items had purchased, and had contracts, at the pre-inflation cost/rates. Then turned and sold the items they built at the inflated rate.which shows an accurate accounting of the profits. So the profits are due to inflation not because of good business.
It's a rubbery figure anyway that you look at it. It's the sort of number that CEO's wave about to keep the shareholders from sacking them. Riding the inflation gravy train is but one way that Harley Davidson have been able to bump that number up. Unfortunately, for buyers, cost cutting is just as likely as big of a contributing factor.
Dealers are making nearly the same profit on a lot of those CVO models. They are listed at $5k on top of MSRP at rallies and they sell every single one of them.
I’ve seen it where people are lowering the pan am and putting it on 17s and making their own bronx since for some reason the pan am actually handles amazing and looks pretty good in my opinion
5:59 but you didn’t like the old sportster either, by my recollection. Understandable sentiment. But I tend to agree with your original take on the evo sportster. All the “allure” was just major flaws
People seem to forget about the XR1200, similar bike in a similar segment. Didn't sell. There are a small few who would be interested in the bike. I still wish they would make it and also a 1250 variant.
There is a vendor, Condor, that makes lifts and trailer accessories... the owner has a XR1200 that he hauls around for demoing products with, it has a Yoshi exhaust and full Ohlins suspension. That thing is a blast to ride around on! Always try to take it for a spin when I work shows.
I really wanted an XR back in the early 2000’s. Was shopping for a new bike and thought that one was really cool. But, the Harley sales people wouldn’t even acknowledge me since they were busy selling big bikes to Boomers.
Went down the road and bought an SV1000s. Which turned out to be a better bike anyway. Although resale on the XR would have been nice.
@@NBSV1that's any dealer car or bike.
When i saw the bronx at the Salon de la moto de Montréal. it was a Harley that i could have considered buying. i loved the way it looked. Never owned a Harley. i ride an fjr1300, fz09, and 84 honda nighthawk s 750. i probably wouldn t have been able to afford it though
Jesus F. Christmas, that intro had me in tears 😅
6:55 was the icing on the cake!
Shame we can't have Bronx. Looks badass, modern and reminds me of Yamaha MT 01 - this monster naked bike with 1.6 V2 engine :)
I'm 41, and I like Bronx, I'd buy it.
The revolution max engine is phenominal. HD is smart to limit it to just three models right now. Give it a few more years and theyll design new models around it.
The Bronx would be neat in like... the kinda retro way that I'd like another VTR1000 Superhawk. A v-twin muscle bike can be interesting in a way the p-twins never will, but... I don't think they could produce it to a cost that would actually sell. It's like H-D literally can't stomach an MSRP under $18k
From my personal view, Bronx could make sense depending how would HD market that bike - head to head with Ducati monster would be stupid, sure, but heavier, belt driven naked highway tourer with hydraulic valve lifters makes alot of sense for people like me as I do 4000-5000km per month. Don't know how much costs Pan America in US, but over here is priced pretty competitive
I’m glad it’s not been made to be honest. I’ve rode nothing but Harley’s (mostly older shovelheads) for a decade from 18 to 28 years old. Then I didn’t ride at all for about 6 years. This winter I started shopping for a bike again. I knew I wanted something pretty capable and sporty. Like 100hp+ and a more aggressive riding position than a sportster. Had the Bronx been available, that is without a doubt what I would’ve bought.
Instead, I got to spend six months really doing research, looking at soooo many different models and categories of motorcycles. It opened me up to a whole new world of riding (and this channel!) to explore and enjoy. I pretty quickly got an idea of what was going to best suit my wants and needs. My shortlist is gonna be pretty obvious for someone that would’ve bought the Bronx. Only three bikes made the shortlist and they were a Triumph street triple, the Yamaha XSR900, and the Ducati Monster. I kinda knew I wanted more than two cylinders as well, and so with that, I popped on over to the local Yamaha dealer and picked up their last ‘23 XSR900!!
So thank you HD for not making the Bronx and allowing me to purchase one of the better, more exciting, and great value bikes out there right now. A bike that @yammienoob himself compared favorably to an MV Agusta! And MAN do I love to hear that CP3 triple sing now! 😁😁
Yamaha had the MT-01, a huge v-twin and although impressive on paper, it really missed the mark, it could not combine the cruiser power plant and a sport bike frame, it never made it to the U.S.
I think it was a lame copy of a Buell xb12
I love the XB12 to death, but having ridden an MT01, I can only describe it as the XB12 on steroids. The MT01 was released in a time where all the manufacturers were chasing power figures on sport bikes and naked bikes weren't considered a top tier choice.
That bike would make a lot more sense in today's market, however I don't think it will have a succesor anytime soon.
I would trade my Dog for a MT-01.I really love my dog.
While I am in favor of advancement and improvement, I feel like HD dropped the ball by killing the air-cooled Evo engine by doing so too quickly and, among other things, phoning in the design for the Sportster S. I mean really, it looks like a Fat Bob and an FXDR had an incest baby. As for the Evo engine, I think they should have kept it around as a lower-cost backup or beginner option for younger riders.
I've been off and on sportsters, shadows, and the like for years now. Hell I'm getting a used fatbob from a buddy as soon as I get back to the lower 48, but I want something that's just really fun and I feel like the Bronx was a good looking bike. Shame they never released it. Guess I'll just buy an MT-07 or GSX-8S for likely less than half the cost.
TBH I've chosen ex demo (1y-o / 3.000 miles) Nighster S (30% off of new motorcycle price). Over other sporty(ish) cruisers like Indian scout, kawasaki vulcan or Rebel. For now It's perfect Motorcycle for me, and I do love it over ot's competitors. Much better riding position IMHO.
Now that I'm looking to my second bike, some powerful naked, If BRONX eould be available it could be on my shortlist, as it looks bonkers and better than many other nakeds in my opinion.
Also Yammie i think you are a bit biased 😅... Understandably but still ;)... Harley needs new buyers and young ones. Although it's true they need to figure out how to make some of the bukes more price accessible :)
Harley's attempt to become a luxury brand reminds me of a clothing company I used to work at called Ruehl no.925. It was Abercrombie's attempt to move upscale and generate higher margins on its products. Turns out, you can't slap the luxury label on something and expect consumers to blindly follow along, and the brand folded after a few years. Harley had fostered a blue collar appeal for decades, and I don't see them successfully upscaling into the luxury segment anytime soon.
The new sportster S seems like a great bike. I went with a v-rod though, great bike
Test ride it before buy one and you will get the answer
@@fenggeng4005 I’m not buying one, I have a vrod
It's not great at all. Poor suspension, many electronic and motor problems. If they debug it, it could be a good, but quirky bike.
@@tedcity5861 wasn’t aware. What are the issues with the suspension? I’m thinking about selling my Harley and getting a vfr1200 personally
@@justinyoface911 the rear suspension has minimal travel and apparently makes for a jarring ride.
Full disclosure..I've never ridden 1, but was interested in them last year..
I actually think the Bronx looks pretty sweet. Its just about the only HD i would consider riding. I have a coworker with the Nightster and really thats a sweet looking HD as well. I really cant stand HD but those two bikes speak to me a bit. Literally nothing else from HD does.
So I love the Harley sound. I love the Ducati sound. i love the sound of a cross plane crank. I would only buy a Harley Bronx. 150 hp is too little too late in the new world order of hyper nakeds. But for how I live and ride I'd buy one as soon as it came out!
Can you do a updated video on beginner bikes for tall riders
Definitely would have considered acquiring a Bronx. Hansom design.
If they treat potential Bronx buyers like they did with the Buell biles, then it's better that the Bronx just stays cancelled. You were told you can find the Buells somewhere in the farthest corner of the showroom and they'd suggest a Sportster instead... Wtf!
My opinion is that Buell was cancelled by HD because the brand wasn't selling as expected, but that was due to the dealer network basically sabotaging the brand in favor of their traditional offering.
As much as I like my Sportster S, it did fail to do what Harley expected.
I think the Bronx would have got more people interested than the Sportster S.
Sportster S sales are so bad when I took my 2021 to get serviced. 2 Harley dealerships said they never serviced one before.
If Harley made the Bronx, I would probably sell my Sportster S to get one.
I think the Sportster S just wasn’t enough for the money. Typical Harley people consider the sportster a beginners bike and outside of Harley there’s other bikes with similar everything for much less money. To be competitive it would have needed to either be cheaper, or better.
@@NBSV1True but the same can be said for any premium manufacturer such as Ducati and BMW.
BMW has cruisers priced higher than a Sportster S and has less features and performance. But no one calls out BMW for it.
Also in the US Harley is the top selling motorcycle manufacturer.
So Yammie Noob is right that Harley doesn’t really have to change. When they do release something different like the Vrod, Sportster S, FXDR, Pan-Am and such. People complain and just buy the bikes with the more traditional styling.
The Sportster S outclasses most cruisers in its same category and your response is they should make it better.
The current lineup has more variety than they ever had. They have the high reving, sportier bikes packed with tech and Harley’s latest. They have bikes with more traditional engines and styling, they have bikes in the middle, they have electric motorcycles.
And like the Vrod and such people say they don’t like it and then Harley discontinues the line. Everyone suddenly thought it was a great bike.
It’s why many call the Sportster S the Vrod 2.0
It’ll likely get discontinued and then RUclipsrs will claim they’ve always liked it.
I think that noob has so much hate for harley that he will NEVER admit how well the sportster s stacks up against 95% of the bikes he reviews.
Expense aside
The sportster is quicker than most (even at 502lbs). Handles adequately enough for twisties and street for the average ride. Plus has all the modern tech of today.
I love the revolution max engine. If HD made a 400lb bike with the rh1250s engine i would buy it in a hearbeat and it would slay everything else out there.
Hands down.
@@noahknight4039 In the Harley lineup the sportster is basically the bottom. As great as they are for a lot of people that image persists. Regardless of features and performance the Sportster S ends up priced high enough to put it with other models that have a “better image”.
In a lot of ways the Vrod ended up in the same boat. On paper it was great. In reality people went for the more traditional bikes.
Actually I was very much looking forward to a 1250 version of the Bronx. While my Tuono Factory is an amazing machine, I miss my EBR 1190sx, big twin naked bikes are a blast to ride. The benefit would be that we would have a really good dealer network, something the Euro brands lack. The thought of HD moving into the 21st century is pretty cool also! lol
I’m 6’6ft and I’m wanting to get a sport bike. I was thinly either a R6 a R7 or a ninja 650. Can I get some opinions. It would be for a daily commute.
MT-07?
@@clonecommandermike332it won’t let me do my main reply lmao
@@clonecommandermike332that’s more of a cruise look. I’m thinking a FZ6R or a R7 if I wasn’t new idk the R1 is nice.
Phenomenal content creator! Valeu irmão!!
I do think the new RevMax engine will help Harley, but actually being able to produce and release a quality bike that new riders may be geared towards is important. I work at a H-D Dealership, and for sure the main audience is typically 30+, more often 40+. But there are some younger people who come in. However, I think if Harley were to do the Bronx, it should have a model of the 975 and the 1250. The nightster (975cc) carries as a updated Sportster while the Sportster S (1250cc) is going down a whole new line in terms of styling and everything altogether. I think a naked with the 975 is close to a Nightster, but if tuned to be more torquey and fun, could be worth it. I believe the Nightster has around 72ftlbs of torque, but it does not feel like it. My 650 feels more torquey. In short, The Lowrider ST was more fun than the Sportster S or Nightster.
In terms of a similar engine in the tourings, no. That won't happen. Mainly due to the fanbase of Harley. There are still people who come in who will only buy a twin-cam bike and not even be interested in the Milwaukee 8 engine, even the newer years.
For the Pan America, I actually recently talked to someone who has a Tenerife. When even feeling the Pan-Am out, despite it being 100lbs heavier than the Tenerife, it felt just as light, and I know I was surprised. The Pan-Am also has an interesting suspension gizmo that has regular height in speed, but slowing down/stopped, lowers you 1-2 inches which is pretty neat.
Overall, I think if Harley continues to only do their cruisers and tourings in their current state, it will continue the trend of being less and less popular. Don't get me wrong, H-D buyers are typically die-hards. But you have to look forward and make something for a whole new generation of riders. I think the Bronx is a good start, but it'd have to be a DAMN good naked style to be competitive, and the hardest obstacle would be the price tag, with little features coming second.
Main thing I give Harley, nearly all their bikes have cruise. Give me cruise on a zx6r damnit.
As a longtime Harley guy, I think the old CEO was on the right track. They can still make their heritage models and look to the future at the same time. This new guy seems to be thinking very short term. That said, the Bronx was never really interesting to me anyway. The Pan America certainly is, but the Bronx really offered anything to me.
As much as i'd like to see the Bronx become a reality, I'd still stick to a MT10 or something similar. I would kinda like to see it make a comeback as a XR1250 though but realistically harleys are always out of my price range and higher maintenance and the revmax platform still needs to prove itself.
Harley should have built the Bronx instead of the PanAm it would compete more closely with Indian’s FTR which you failed to mention in your naked bike segment.
It seems to me that Indian understands the market and listens to consumer feedback because the FTR while still more expensive than most naked/Street fighter offerings is something that younger riders connect with and it is a great platform if you want an American manufactured bike that has hooligan potentials.
Harley is going to ruins as far as I’m concerned and that is why I will not be buying another one unless it is pre-1968. I want to build a mid 50s Servi-car, and maybe a knuckle but want nothing doing with the modern stuff unless I can find a V-rod for a reasonable price to build my own version of a Bronx out of.
I'd buy it in the UK. The H-D dealer is the closest to me & I like the engine.
I just want to see the X500 become a reality. The x350 is honestly a fun little entry bike.
If a Bronx is what you want just buy a used Buell XB9 or XB12 of whatever variety fits your height. Pick one up for 5 grand and call it a day.
I think the nightster is not a bad bike, but for the asking price of that and all other Harleys, if I can't find them used for 5-10k off price I just would not even consider them. I can't justify a 2x price tag for the Harley name
I definitely see more and more young people on Harley’s near me. The low rider line is pretty sick tbh
HD will never be anything more than a cultural brand.
Except they sell way more units in the U.S. than any other brand. So culture apparently counts for a lot.
That's because we Americans are stubborn and for some reason love our American brand motorcycles. I personally can't say the same but many Americans feel that way.
@@CaptJDavixxTrue but I love the way my Harley shakes and sounds
I have 50 K miles on my 2019 ultra Limited. Fortunately, I have the extended warranty because the engine destroyed itself due to lack of oiling overtime. I truly believe that Harley Davidson is a great motorcycle for people who really don’t ride motorcycles the way that motorcycles would be intended to ride? It seems as if you use them on a regular basis or use them aggressively they either wear out prematurely or just break. If you want to cruise the speed limit and spend all day going 40 or 50 miles because you stop at so many bars, talk and bullshit with your friends? Then I think they’re great motorcycles.
@@distancejunkiemonkey4491this is the most accurate description of a Harley I’ve ever heard.
Just go buy a 20yo buell for $3k. For sure will be far better and way cooler than any attempt hd makes at a modern naked bike anyways.
I have a sportster S and Buells lol
@@David-fd6db I’m on a xb lightning and love it as a first bike
I would love a middleweight naked bike from harley, but only on the tiny chance it was reasonably priced
I'm 61yo and it blows my mind that 900cc is a middle weight 🤯
I'm younger than you, and I'm old enough to remember when World Super bikes were either 750 cc fours or 1000 cc twins and top tier GP bikes were a mere 500 CC. I don't know when a 100+ hp. 900 became a "middleweight" to others, but in my mind it's still anything but a "middleweight". A Royal Enfield 650 is a "middleweight", and a 100+mph bike. Go figure.
I own a sportster s, it's a great bike, but my issues dealing with harley themselves means it will be the only harley I ever buy
The nightster S really is good though
I wouldn’t buy a Bronx I have to say, but I would buy a brand new 2nd gen V-Rod if they ever decide to make one (and no, the Sportster S is a very different machine than my current VRSCF)
Went to a HD dealership the other day but I left because I wasn't trying to walk around in the 6-8 inches of oil that covered the entire show room floor.
As a previous v-rod owner i really wanted this bike to be released so i could buy it. So.ed they shelved it.
We got a brand new GSX-800S denim black on blue that someone traded in for a Harley. I about shit myself when I seen it. It had less than 400 miles and still had the dealer tag on it from that dealer.
This is the 2nd time HD canceled a Streetfighter. Buell the 1st.
The Bronx also looks alot like a Yammy Mt01.
IMO Indian beat them to the punch with the release of the FTR. HD would have to compete with that. Good luck.
I’m be fair, the sportster S is a unique bike, but I will say this. For stock it is the worst bike to get. The tires that come on it suck, it has no sound from the exhaust, and it lacks the grunt of a sport bike. I wanted one from when they were released and I seen so many mixed reviews, I test drove one, very fun and I traded my 04 xb12s buell that came with the race exhaust and ecu. Unfortunately, that fun quickly faded as the only thing i still like is the really quick acceleration, but honestly, I miss my wheelie machine. I will say the insurance is the best part of Harley’s, I’m 20 and my insurance is 60 dollars a month, my 2004 buell was 180. The upfront cost is a lot, but the basic month cost is lower tbh. Now once you get to modifying the sportster S, that’s where I think the bike truly transforms. Also the bike is trackable stock, just leave TC on because the stock tires will cause the bike to slide out EASY, you can spin the rear tire in second without using the clutch. Honestly was it worth it, 50/50, if the Harley dealer near me gets a trade in that is a nice sport bike, I’m trade it in, if not, no point in trying to get rid of it.
If you're not gonna ride the Sportster S or the Nightster, Yammie, your opinion doesn't count for anything.
Hop on and make informed opinions, instead of parroting memes!
Looks like the new Nightster.
Yammienoob, I ride a Suzuki GSX-S and I want one. There, I said it!
Mike knocks it out of the park again!
It was probably cancelled because it was going to sell well. They need to start making engines smaller the 900cc.
13:29 🔥 👀 reminds me of someone I used to see here
Buy an ftr already bronx bois
Not at all similar.
Correct: the ftr is real.
The Bronx is the only Harley I'd buy - except maybe an air cooled Sportster.
The Bronx was the only newer Harley I would even consider buying right now.
I'm putting road 6s on my gsxr 750 sportbike hope they work well for me was hesitant not many videos of 6s on sportbikes
I'm putting them on both my bikes asap.
Curious if they are as good as advertised..
@@nonyabusiness4151 I put them on my KTM990 and it feels like its running on rails in comparison to the previous tyres the bike came with. I'd say they're better, the confidence they bring changed the way I ride.
I have them on my tuned Superduke 1290. Get plenty of miles, though it does spin up a but, but most things do on that bike.
@@SirTyron Thank you. They are going on a 390 and a VFR.
I got them today and I'm very happy they feel like new bike the tip in to me feels so good and confident I am not blasting tho average street stuff hope it helps someone
As a die hard Harley fan and a person who has thrown hate at sport bikes before I was really sad when they threw this bike in the garbage. I love Harley but they have to make bikes for modern riders. I am 16 and love my softail deuce but not many young riders want a big heavy old school cruiser.
The Bronx looks great.
Nightster "Two Face" 😂
BTW, it's a good thing I pay to watch RUclips without ads 🙄
Did that make it a 3 min video? 😂
If paying would eliminate his stupid memes it'd be worth it!
Really wanted one, but I will have to be happy with my XR-1200 (Meh)
You didn't have to bring Deb into this. She just sits on the back and minds her business
They gotta bring something new especially after the new scout.
The bronx would have done far better in sales than the live wire.
I'd be interested in buying a Bronx
Would it rival an FTR?
It's always nice when Papa Yammie trashes a bike you just bought :( 2023 Harley Nightster
Even in that highly competitive market, it would be refreshing to see an actual V2 sport naked in this sea of inline twins. Kinda like an SV1000 was. It might suffer the same fate as the XR1200, but I'd love to see them at least try. Come on HD, spend a little gambling money. You can still axe it after two years and continue with t-shirts and bedazzled pink dog collars.
I would pay a premium for an American motorcycle that fell in line with the things I love about my Triumph. HD is overpriced, but I do like my American commodities if they’re comparable to their foreign counterparts.
But… that’s just not HD thinking.
My guess is that the current CEO is readying Harley Davidson to be sold to another company like the parent company of Ducati , which is directly owned by Italian automotive manufacturer Lamborghini, whose German parent company is Audi, itself owned by the Volkswagen Group. This is the only way I can make sense of the current CEO of Harley Davidson's strategy.
I agree sportster S sucks. I also loved the Pan America but ended up gettting a Multistrada instead
Agree. Expensive, heavy, underpowered Bronx could not compete in naked bike category.
I want one dammit, if it were a 1250.
Buel mrk.2
with 1.5x the weight and 0.5x the handling
6:45 ouch!
Great video! I think though, a lot of people do care about Harley-Davidson, care about its heritage and care about its people.
Unfortunately, under Jochen Zeitz and his board of non-motorcyle industry people, Harley-Davidson is in peril. His legacy will not be a proud one.
Harley-Davidson's customer base is literally dying off. There are lots of people who want to buy a HD, but HD don't build a bike they want or can afford.
I don't think there's been a time since the buy back that HDs future has been so perilous, and there's certainly never been a time in HDs history that it has a board so disconnected from its company heritage, ethos, values and customers. How frustrating it must be for HD employees.
I'd love to head Willie Gs thoughts on the current board?
Let's hope Jochen Zeitz and his board move on before irreparable damage is done.
A naked bike with a v-twin? There are ducati monsters and sv650s for a reason. H-D can't do it right with that high of a bar.
I mean, a 115hp bike isn't competing with sv650's. But yeah, it's tough as it's competing with very strong options that *will be* cheaper (I'm looking at you, MT09SP) but ultimately HD can really leverage its name and brand. Honestly, even as a diehard Yamaha fanboy (I've owned or currently own the entire MT line, Tracer, and Tenere) I'd *seriously* consider a Bronx.
@@Wintersdark is not just the raw power, it's the whole package, the power to weight ratio, the handling, things that spec sheets barely hint at. Who looks at the 60-to-zero distance and times?
@@saintsempai i mean, it's not just 0-60 but there is a SUBSTANTIAL power difference between a 650-class bike (I owned an MT07, a good friend owns a sv650 I've ridden extensively) and a 120ish HP platform (see also: MT09, etc). They're not competitors in any way. This isn't a criticism of the SV, it's a great bike... But the 70ish HP nakeds and 110ish HP nakeds are very different markets.
And really, nobody seriously considering a Bronx is really cross shopping an sv650. Not only wildly different power catagories, but the Bronx is a MUCH better looking bike. The SV is a bit of a workhorse, very functional, but quite dated at this point, and not particularly attractive. And not American.
@@Wintersdark yet again, it's not just the power, it's the complete package of handling that I was referring to: braking, cornering, and gear ratios matched to the engine's power band. That combination of handling is what makes a naked bike sweet in town and on canyon roads. Americans do straight line: SR-71, Saturn V rocket, .30-06... But handle well? Kinda not so much.