The game that made playing defense illegal.
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Video idea, how about the Priest Holmes Chiefs? And how they ran the ball so effectively and maybe some commentary on whether that style would or would not work today.
2004 cards Emmitts last dance 🕺 🎶 an vikings worst moment of the year 😢
It would be of all time for 28 other teams 🙄
Hi Brett, if you ever want to do a video on a great CFL quarterback who didn't always end up in the championship game you could do a retrospective on Doug Flute's years in Calgary in the CFL with the Stampeders in the 1990's. During the season he was amazing, and even in the playoffs he could surprise. Before he arrived, The Stampeders last Grey Cup win was in 1971. If you love football, why not check out his Stampeder years. It was also after Wally Buono took over coaching reins of the team. Keep up the great videos man!
Factor is crack. This is from a fat guy.
There is something inspirationally sadistic about Brett posting at 1AM at the end of a month just to meet a sponsor deadline…
He's on the West Coast, so it's still June!
As an admitted football junky, I greatly appreciate it lol
When I woke this morning and saw the post I immediately had a similar thought😂
Just one more example of the best producers being the worst procrastinators.
I just like to know what Brett's drinking during this segment. Along with the insight about details in football.
Finally got Brett to do a throwback breakdown! Been bothering him to do one for years!
And who knew the only thing you had to do to make it happen was just give me some never before seen footage and a triple shot of espresso
He should do more pre 2000. He'll need your help. 😊
@@astrostar49need a Jerry Rice breakdown!
@@NFLVault Yes that would be a dandy!!!
Aw f**k is this what’s happening to DAK?
I swear early Peyton Manning was trying to get receivers killed
Austin Collie
Anthony Gonzalez
@@dre_withwithout
Collie was a sacrifice on the altar of Peyton's career. The hits that man took were absolutely traumatizing
Lack of arm strength was always a knock on Peyton. He was phenomenal at throwing guys open but things got dicey if he had to bullet a ball between defenders.
Wes welker,collie,DT in the super bowl vs Seattle
Peyton “if you can’t deal with CTE don’t play receiver on my team” Manning
Lot of men sacrificed on the altar of stat chasing back in the day.
@@maroc-al-helmidi Peyton "the no huddle stat padder" Manning
That hospital pass at 12:50….foreshadowing Austin Collies future x 15 or however many times he got cracked 😂
Marvin Harrison always protected himself never saw him get Jacked Up
@@354alldayprobably were scared for they life if they laid him out
Brett my God how close do you want to cut it with the sponsor deadline?!
As close as absolutely necessary
@@BrettKollmann Factor's the best sponsor honestly for waiting 'til the last minute then saying "fuck it, I'm just gonna eat what I got lying around"
Don't support companies that advertise on RUclips. You're the reason ads have gotten so bad.
yes
Wait so they cried about illegal contact in this game when it didn't matter, and cried about deflated balls when it didn't matter either? Are the Colts the biggest crybabies in the NFL?
Colts fan. And one of those who experienced this as trauma lol.
2 things not mentioned here is that
1. The Colts were a rythym offense at this moment. Peyton panicked a lot in this game because the timing was shot on every play. Most of these interceptions, we're peyton taking deep drops (this was mentioned) or on the run. Peyton did not do this much in his career.
2. The patriots front 7 shut down Edgerin James. That hasn't been mentioned much when talking about this game. The second you used safety help to slow down Edge, Peyton would get free deep shots. The Pats never need safety help in those two games.
If you want an example for how this would work. The 2006 afc championship game is perfect. Peyton tried to do everything in the first half and got down 21-3. Second half the running game came to life; which allowed Peyton to catch fire.
As a Colts fan I hate giving the Pats credit, but the defense does not get its fair share on how well they played Edge. And it screwed up the entire offense.
Edge averaged 4 yards a carry this game and scored the teams first TD.
The only thing that stopped Edge this game was Mannings play calling and tendency to choke.
That n half the ne team had food poisoning. Then Indy turns up the heat in our locker room. Nothing on that bullshit
Yes.
Thus was full rookie play Payton.
Muck game.
Good d
Run the damn ball.
The Patriots would again shutdown the running game in the following Super Bowl against the Panthers, who relied on the running game more than the Colts
@@BleedColtsBluewhy can't y'all just give Bill and his defense credit? They shut down a HOF qb and made it look easy. They did that the whole season
Ty law definitely a monster in his day, Revis before Revis. Until that 06 AFC Championship, the Patriots really just had Peytons number.
They had it after that, too. The fact is that a 1-dimensional team is easy AF to gameplan, and the Peyton's Colts were the most 1-dimensional and predictable in history.
Peyton had a winning record against Brady. That narrative needs to go die
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandleWhen? Other than the playoffs only, where Peyton was 3-2 against Brady, Brady won more total h2h games
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle The 2015 AFCCG was all about the Broncos defense beating the shit out of Brady and Brady still putting the fear of God into them despite that.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandlePeyton Manning had moreint in less games than brady
I legit remember "Who would you rather have in the playoffs, Peyton Manning or Chad Pennington?" being a major sports media topic when the Jets crushed the Colts in '02.
Being fair, Pennington WAS really good at the time and his shoulder hadn't yet turned into molasses. If he had been healthy, he would've been arguably a top ten QB in the league for a good while.
He wouldn't have been in Manning or Brady's level, but probably would've been in the next tier and the Patriots wouldn't had had it so easy in the AFC East.
Tom Tuppa was a better QB in the clutch and he was forced to be a punter
If NFL didn't get so soft neither Brady or Manning would last
@@franciscoduran4618 To be fair,Peyton was an all time choker in playoffs, throughout his long career.
To quote Chris Berman, Ty "I fought the Law and the Law won" with the interception!
Ty Law was a great player and a nuicance to play against in NFL 2k5.
Yep...guy I played against almost always went with the Pats.
"Peyton Manning might be the Sheriff, but no one is above the Law"
I'll bet a lot of money I beat you in that game. Or anybody you can put up to play me
Ty Law made a magnificent play. Textbook coverage with a little extra credit - technique + instincts
Ty Law was a freak, I mean that im the best way possible. Ty was making plays that most secondaries couldn't.
The Pats were allowed to mug tf out of the Colts receivers. That’s what this was. Plenty of tape of Law getting worked. Just watched an Eric Moulds clip of him torching Law at least 3x. Prime Law. And Moulds obviously had garbage at QB almost his whole career.
Law was good, but the truth of this game and most of the Pats run was them being allowed to hold like crazy.
@@kyleconnor2759 i didnt see a single hold on any of the interceptions 🤔
N lawyer milloy n Rodney. The weren't the legion of boom they were the legion of doom n gloom
@@headstrong4203 cool
I'd love to see a spin off on the "Tampa 2 is a lie" video... Specifically focusing on what Lovie Smith was able to do defensively, because of Urlacher, Briggs, and Tommie Harris.
Although he wasn’t a Lovie product I believe Cato June did a great job in the Tampa 2
Hell yeaaaaa 🐻⬇️
@@dre_withwithout He was a Dungy product.
The Steelers ran a version of that defense in the 70s when Dungy played Corner for them. Even Dungy admitted he "borrowed it" from Chuck Noll.
Yeah it's not a coincidence that the rise of the "edge" position coincideded with the decline of the types of linebackers that made the Tampa 2 possible. In reality those guys mostly became "edge" because the contracts moved to paying them far, far more than LBs. Great take.
It’s games like this that make it funny when people say Brady carried Belichick. His defense, and Ty Law in particular, is CLOWNING on a top 5 QB ever
A lot of defenses clowned Peyton in the playoffs
First 10 years bellichecks coaching with the tuna's groceries. Last 10 all tom
@@chucknorris277 I’d agree but Belichick gifted Brady a Super Bowl in 2019. They could have run the Wildcat the whole game and won.
@@zenmaster16 I mean he owe Brady a Superbowl remember when he couldn't stop nick folk😂. Yeah that great master mind bill
@@ayoolou9392Yea but Brady was the one who got sacked stripped
“The art of the shootout” featuring the chiefs and rams game in LA would be amazing 🔥🔥🔥
That’d be an amazing vid!!
That game was in LA; it got moved from Mexico because the field sucked. It would be a great video though.
I remember watching that game here in india live inside my school class while it was raining heavily outside ,my school also used to be a king's castle with large af windows and insanely beautiful interior with green grass around my classroom man it was soo fucking majestic ,that game has been engrained as one of the best moments of my life cause of the way I watched it (our school's are very strict so if I was caught with my phone ,I might've even gotten suspended but idgaf ,even if i were caught i wouldn't have stopped watching it bruh 😂)
I was gonna say the 2015 game of saints vs giants but the chiefs rams game scored slightly more which is wild to me.
I was at the coliseum in LA for that game and it was insane. Rams fans betting me drinks on scoring throughout and we were smashed. Most satisfied and charged up I will ever be after a loss.
Shannahan, who played the colts prior to this was a desk commentator for this game. He after the game said “I cannot believe what I’m witnessing, this is a masterpiece of a game-plan from belicheck” and that it was. This colts team scored over 500pts this year. This was the first of three times that the patriots would play a team that scored over 500pts in their time as a dynasty and each time they would create such amazing game plans and win. It really was something to watch thanks for the video brett
Yeah recognizing that refs no longer called defensive holding and having his players hold every play was "genius".
@@bradsanders407 are you new to football or do you just not understand postseason officiating? Did you not watch a single play from this game? If you don’t know ball don’t talk
@@bradsanders407shaking Manning up on the first 3 quarters was what led to the loss. Not the 2 minutes of uncalled penalties in the end
Do more of these vintage film breakdowns PLEASE! I love this mid 2000 film, I grew up on the early 2010s- mid 2010s football, and love to see the differences in the way the game was played compared to 2000s, the 2010s to now.
A compare/contrast video would be awesome!!!
One big difference is that in the 2000’s and generations earlier is that you’ll find more teams that are centered around a single running back.
Also, the linebacker position was perceived to be a bit more valuable than now and while it was on the decline in the 2000’s, there were more snaps with fullbacks than you’ll find now.
And MVP discourse was not near exclusively dominated by quarterbacks.
LMFAO @ calling this vintage.
@@ryta1203 20+ years feel fair enough calling it vintage
@@caleb10jag61 Guess I'm just old, shit seems like yesterday and the scar the refs left that day by being completely blind is still healing.
Yeah Manning used to be considered a whiner, stat-padder, and choker until the Colts won XLI. Drew Brees was accused of similar until he won a Super Bowl too.
Nah... Brees was never considered a whiner or choker. He left a bad organization (Chargers) for a much better one and an offensive guru in Sean Payton. During Brees time Saints never had a defense like Brady had with Pats. Fun fact, Brady on average for his career had the #1 scoring defense. It's a lot eaiser to be the winningest QB when you only have to put up say 17-18pts a game to win instead of 25 😂😂😂 But hey, it's a team game right...
@@100puremustard5Yeah he still had multiple top 5 defenses. Also, your defense is gonna be worse if you throw 3 INTs a game. Brees just wasn’t that guy in the clutch and had some Farve moments. He was a lot like Manning in that the team lived or died by him. He was getting 350 yards, but it was with 4 TDs 1 INT or 5 INTs 1 TD. Oh, and him and Sean Payton loved stat padding. Especially in that 2011 season.
@@100puremustard5Brady had I think 2 No1 ranked defenses his entire career were do you get averaged No1? Patriots had a lot of bend don’t break defense they were top 10 in PTs allowed but 20 something in Yards and benefitted from the offense being No1 in least TOs for his career Brady’s offense was almost always ranked above his defenses
Don't forget the SB the Colts won, they were getting pounded at home in the AFC title game until the Pats ran out of gas and ended up coming up just short. I think Manning threw a pick 6 to make it 21-3 just before half. 2-min drive for TD made it 21-10 at half IIRC. They go on to beat the Bears? (history is stilling trying to figure out how that team made the SB).
@@anubiam3004I mean, bears had the best regular season record and were the top seed in the nfc. And iirc, they had an overwhelmingly good defense, maybe best in the league.
Co-MVP Steve McNair put up a better fight the previous week against the Patriots. 😤😤😤
Three words: Drew.Bennett.DROP!😢
@@FAMUAce Yeah that was killer.
Damn. I forgot about that.
I liked McNair. He was a tough man and he had really transitioned into a good pocket passer. I think he made Jeff fisher look better than he really was.
Jeff took the titans to 10-6 and 13-3 the 2 and 3 years after McNair left. I know people meme on jeff these days because of his stint with rams but for the early 2000s Fisher was one of the better coaches in the league. The game just passed him by when he coached the rams
The thing I remember from this game is that when they went to the commercial they played the song “I Fought the Law (and the law won)” and to this day its the best ad break song leading to a commercial in the history of the NFL. I hope the person who chose to do that got a raise.
Brett I dont wanna pile on Manning, but I'd kill for a breakdown of Mannings 6 int game vs the chargers and the evolution of declaring defenses pre snap/rotations of safeties post snap, etc as a video. Appreciate the content even close to midnight😂
Funniest part of that game is that the Colts still would have won had it not been for Adam Vinatieri suddenly choking for once in his life
That game, most of the offense was injured and out of the game. Peyton had his RB and one healthy WR who he had chemistry with. The rest were backups. The Chargers sent every blitz to give Manning no time to adjust.
The chargers did a great job of noticing the hot routes for this game and obviously 6 picks later it worked. Everyone deals with injuries. The Chargers did what every team should do. Pounce on every opertunity given. And they did. It's still shocking to this day that it was a 2 point game at the end.
@@SortaNonymousSounds very San Diego.
And also another part to this. The Colts defense actually played really well in that game. Rivers had an awful game. LT for his standard had a down game. Sproles went off in the returns. Having 2 touchdowns. Being fair both offenses struggled that game.
@@silversoulken Nah, it'd infinitely more San Diego (or just plain Chargers) if they lost.
Oh my god, the all-22 of that first interception is insane. Just LOOK at how clean that pocket is while Manning does his best impression of me playing Madden and backs up 13 yards. Whoever the LG is does an amazing job of coming over and covering Jeff Saturday's right side to stop the blitz from Bruschi.
Manning could have cooked an entire pot of chili in that pocket, and the Pats front wouldn't have even been able to smell it. That's legitimately atrocious, especially for someone of his caliber.
All he ahead to do was just step up in the pocket
@@dominiquewashington2553 he didn't even really need to step up! The pocket basically formed perfectly around where he received the snap. He could've stood still and not been touched.
@@FandangoHoward yeah you got a point there
Manning was without question a choker. Growing up a manning fan constantly defending him and coddling him with excuses for his complete meltdowns eventually gave way to realizing I was just in a weird denial. Even when he won super bowls he didn’t play well
Eh, he def was early in his career, but the latter half I'd say he wasn't. He continued to get better as time went on.
Peyton Manning didn’t win his first playoff game until his sixth year as a starter. Before the 2003 postseason, his last playoff game was a 41-0 shellacking from the Jets. Not to mention that the Colts were perceived as a “soft” team when they played in the cold.
All this to say that sometimes talking heads don’t know what they’re talking about.
They did know what they were talking about. The Colts were good, but needed to get better to be real contenders. They did, and the rest is history.
They did know what they were talking about manning was a regular season powerhouse but when team had time to solely focus on beating him they did all the time.
@@BardelystheMagnificent True - the Colts teams of the 2000s were powerhouses. I’m looking at Manning through the prism of what he is now.
Actually they did,Young Peyton was more of a liability to his team then an asset. You see it in these clips, when he starts panicking, he made bad choices. It took him years to finally find that composure, and when he did the Colts offense was better for it.
@@supersasukemaniacA liability? Stop talking football. New England was better.
Peyton came in the league with the "can't win the big one" narrative. He was 0-4 against Florida in college and Tennessee didn't win a national title until a year after he left.
I was looking for this comment. This is the origins of Peyton can’t win the big game.
Yup 0 for FL. Didnt win a big game till 2006, 8 years into the league I think? Also threw the pick six in the sb againts the saints. While not a total choke artist, he came up small in the biggest moments more times than not. Hes a great QB but not clutch like Brady, Montana and Id even say Mahomes, ref jokes aside😂.
Tennessee got lucky they didnt have to play ohio state. Got to play soft ass Florida state
@@bradsanders407 FSU won the next year so hardly say soft, Dillards anyone? 😂
Rodney Harrison needs to be the Hall of Fame yesterday
I saw Rodney on my flight, earlier this year. Dude just looks different from us regular people.
He actually made the final 15 of the Hall of Fame voting this past election.
He was incredible as a Charger, got the rings with the Pats so yes he needs to be in there!
LeRoy Butler somehow got in ahead of him. I think he was in his last year of eligibility so they're making Rodney wait.
Remember when Rodney hit Marvin so hard he changed the rule book. The Rodney rule
“Before I dive into this tape and rehash two decade old interceptions, for no other reason than just making Millennial Colts fans relive childhood trauma.”
Had me rolling 😂
As a millennial colts fan, he wasn't lying.
Always hitting that deadline lol.
Been grinding all weekend to make it haha
It shows my man. Worth the wait if the content is first class.
Peyton Manning being more important to NFL history than Joe Cool is... a take. I'd say that's hotter than the take that Peyton's a choker, personally.
Who's Joe Cool?
@@insertnamehere2746 Joe Montana
Maybe the Ty Law game directly followed by the 14-3 demolition of the Donovan McNabb led Eagles offense by CAR (10-22, 100, 3 INT by Ricky Manning) made defense illegal. At the time that was how the game was played, and the Freddie Mitchell/James Thrash WR tandem wasn’t going to cut it (while McNabb was also thought of as a choker). Enter Terrell Owens…
This is a great reminder
Not only that but TO had ankle broken at end of season, only for Eagles to make Superbowl anyway
Then Mcnabb turned into Willie Beamen while TO on one healthy leg had 9catches for 120+ I think
If TO wasnt playing in the SB philly wins the game. They killed the NFC without him
Owens demanded the ball be fed to him. Everyones like he did great.. that fool dropped a couple easy catchea too.
@@janboblarry The Eagles likely get blown out without T.O
Ty Law has the same amount of career INTs as Dion Sanders and had the physical ability to tackle and lay people out...He was a beast and a HOFer
Posting at 1 am is crazy 💀
Congratz, you were the 1 view when I clicked
Technically it's 11:44 pm
3am for the florida boys😂
2am in Minnesota
Is 02:50 here Brett😂 think of your worldwide audience!😂😂 thanks for the video !
This was not an all time bad game for Peyton. This was an average showing against the Patriots in the 2000-2005 era. He had multiple 3+ INT games against them.
Lol is Brett really posting a video on the Ty Law Rule!?? 😂😂 Bro..... Brett we need more videos like this...
Mel Blount rule*
@@blitzburgh9066while the rule was originally created because of Mel Blount, this game caused new interpretation of the rule, making it the Ty Law rule
@@arandomperson1999 that’s a myth the rule was already in place and known as the Mel Blount rule…just because they reiterated it doesn’t mean the name changed…and if you watch the video Brett doesn’t mention “Ty law rule” not even one time
The Mel Blount rule?
@@SchulzEricT thank you, Ty law rules a myth
Manning is a greater talent than Brady ever was. However games like this one leads to the popular narrative that Brady is the GOAT.
That comment about millennial Colts fans reliving old pain hit really close to home. Cut me deep with that one. See you in week 4 my friend.
And remember: The owner of the Colts was on the aforementioned "competition committee". His QB set a new NFL record for TD passes the next season thanks to "reemphasizing the rules". The sports press hated the patriots (because they were old school and boring) and their coach (because he was old school and hostile) and adored Payton Manning, hence the misinformation campaign about the game and paving the way for the rule changes. Frankly, the whole thing was corrupt scandal.
Literally nothing you said is true. Bill Pollian was on the competition committee. Not Jim Irsay. Also it wasnt the colts crying to the league. It was the entire league crying. Everyone wanted to know if defensive holding was now legal. The patriots cried that they have to hold or the colts would blow them out. So the leugue came up with a compromise and thats when we got the 5 yard rule allowing the defense to mug receivers for the 1st 5 yards. This certainly helped the defense not hurt it.
Lol "thanks to reemphasizing the rules" So its thanks to the rules being enforced that led to manning breaking the td record? Ok kid
NBA season is over but Brett just put up a hell of a buzzer beater
0:31 Heck yeah, Suns win. Eat it Blazers.
it ain't a Brett upload if it isn't uploaded at 2:45am
How 'bout a breakdown on another classic.
Superbowl in '91. Giants-Bills.
Two teams stacked with HOF players and a Bill Belichick master stroke back when he was working for the Big Tuna.
Belichick's insane psychological exploitation of Jim Kelly - at his peak and on a roll.
“We will win the game if we let Thurman Thomas run for 100 yards” - Bill Belichick
Wide Right. The two most dreaded words in Bills' history.
That loss had more to do with the Bills defense choking repeatedly when it came to 3rd down stops in the 2nd half.
@@stevejamieson8468 so you're saying the other half of the Giants plan of wearing out the Bills defense by keeping them on the field also worked.
Giants offense on the field all day....
Giants defense puts 9 in coverage and lets Thurman Thomas run wild because Jim Kelly (who calls his own plays) can't stop throwing the ball...
Two sides of one coin that I think came out of one mind (Belichick) and was given blessings by the Big Tuna (Parcels) himself.
Please don't
Kollmann here speaking some facts. I'm a Titans fan, and we've had naught at the QB position since Steve McNair. If you've got a QB that is a multiple time All-Pro and/or has been in multiple championship games, and they still look like they have gas in the tank, don't complain about an occasional playoff blip.
A Hall of Fame QB, the best of the best, is very likely to miss the playoffs on a few seasons. When they do get to the playoffs, in the vast majority of seasons, they won't make it to the Super Bowl. Occasionally, you're going to have to watch in frustration as your team with a good QB didn't make it to the Super Bowl while a team starting Trent Dilfer or Rex Grossman trots out there repping your conference. I would've loved to have even a loveable borderline contender at QB like Bledsoe or Romo. At least then, at the beginning of the season, my hope wouldn't feel as crazy.
I wonder how much of this QB complaining is due to Tom Brady's success. He was in the playoffs nearly every single season he played, and in most seasons won at least one of those games. When Brady retired in 2022, the NFL had played 57 Super Bowls. Tom Brady started in nearly 18% of them (let that sink in). I don't think there will ever be another set of circumstances in the NFL that produces a QB with Brady's level of success. It's not fair to compare any QB to that success level.
As a bills fan I can tell you the goal post gets moved when you get the all star qb. Not my personal feelings, but everyone (bills fan or not) just talks about how we'll never beat the chiefs or how allen is overrated and that type of stuff. It's no longer about making the playoffs, it's about winning it all and if you do less than that your guys trash. It's so annoying when the dude accounts for 40 tds in a season and is called trash like what are you talking about 😂
@jamsgamingstation6023 Allen by every metric was the MVP last year. Lamar winning it was a joke. Allen's "turnover prone" narrative is BS too, as he had the second d lowest turnover worthy play rate of any aylff QB. Better than PM. Better than Lamar. Allen has more TDs than any player in history as this point in his career, and when he started the Bills were a disaster with a coach who likes to blow games, and PM got on a perennial playoff team with a HOF coach.
Warpdrive, that narrative about Peyton and Brady drives me crazy too, as he actually had winning record against Brady.
Ravens fans know this pain all too well...great QB, but just can't get it done in the post season...however, this past one I don't blame on Lamar...NFL and refs used a blonde chick with questionable musical skills in the suites to beat the Ravens.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandleBrady was 16-6 vs Peyton and the 3-2 edge in the playoffs is because 06 Patriots were a terrible offense team had no business being in a AFC Champ gm one Brady’s biggest carry jobs and is still worst graded WR core in PFF history and Denver was a super team (Tebow was won w them) Welker was Bradys No1 WR he was Peytons 3rd string vs mediocre Patriots teams/Brady always struggled in Mile high vs all Broncos teams
I would say Lamar Jackson is more like Peyton Manning instead of Dak because of the MVPs and he also hasn't gotten it done in the playoffs
True but Peyton’s playstyle is legit the same as Dak’s tbh
@@donjohnson2758yup
@@donjohnson2758Peyton didn't lose to GB on the playoffs every year?!?! 😉
This is the same reason why I think the Josh Allen-Peyton Manning comparisons don't stick. Josh doesn't have the regular season accolades (at least not yet) to be looked at as this generation's Peyton.
@@michaelbeale559Peyton was getting his ass handed to him by the PATs 😉
Hi Brett! Love the analysis. With the recent stats coming out on the skew of game-saving calls benefitting Mahomes, I am curious if there's more cases that show "Supposed to Win Bias" by refs historically. I know TB12 was accused, but never saw numbers to back it up. I feel like it would mostly occur on QBs that have had success a few years and start getting the "GOAT narrative" from the media so refs are (hopefully subconsciously) giving them favor on calls because the refs are expecting them to win
Peyton Manning also had the title of choker because he wasn't able to lead the Volunteers to a dub against Florida, which is evidently their big rival. He also didn't win a National Championship, but he help get the SEC Championship, which is a big deal.
Florida was better than Tennessee.
Some things never change. Tennessee still can’t beat Florida today. 🤣
his performance vs Florida vs. Woodson's against OSU was the reason Woodson won the Heisman. Clutch vs. Choker.
@@Maal7432They beat Florida and won a chip soon as Peyton walked out the door.
The coolest thing about this channel is how I KNOW X player was great... but I don't always know why. I knew Ty Law was an amazing player, but I didn't really see the anticipation and skill broken down like this. I would honestly love to see more retro stuff. Like what made Joe Montana so good? What made Orlando Pace so good? What made Bruce Smith so good, etc etc.
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Peyton’s playoff career was underwhelming. I don’t think that’s a hot take.
Not sure if you have the All 22, but would love to hear your thoughts on the 1999 NFC Championship game between the Buccaneers, and Rams. Thanks.
Lamar’s career so far reminds me so much of Peyton’s Indy years. MVPs, dominate the regular season, then always hit a wall in the postseason.
The thing about calling good QB's overrated is that yes, they may be overrated...when it comes to the playoffs. But whenever the regular season comes around, and you see them on your schedule, you're probably going to get nervous or even count it as a loss as a forgone conclusion
As a Commander's fan, growing up I'd always worry about dealing with a three-headed monster of Romo, Eli, and McNabb because even when they stank, they did really well against us
It’s about winning in the post season. In the regular season the worst team can beat the Super Bowl winners. In the post season that team would have no shot.
Growing up don't you mean "Redskins" fan? Can't wait till they change the name back. The only people crying in the first place were wite libs
Oh really? Let’s check his playoff and SB stats against Brady’s shall we? Only reason he won the first ring was bc Grossman was a turnover machine. Only reason he won the second one was bc of the Broncos defense.
Brett, @6:45 When you transitioned from Peyton to Patrick, I was astounded. I was in just disbelief. Thanks for that.
Manning really dropped off heavily in the playoffs. That can't be argued. Superbowl mvp off Adai's coat tails
I still believed that narrative about Peyton until his final days in the NFL, when we looked back and revisited what was an undeniably historic career. Granted, being a Chiefs fan during those final years in Denver gave me a heavy bit of bias. I hadn't even thought about the choker narrative for years until this video reminded me it once existed.
Seyton Manning is nowhere near "second to Tom Brady." He's a choker whose team got the rules changed because they couldn't beat the Patriots.
So Brett if you have All-22 of films over the last few decades Can you make one of the 2000 Ravens Defense, The 77 Falcons, or Like greatest offense of all time in the 2013 Broncos?
That same so called greatest offense that scored only once in the Superbowl?!?
Regular season was nice playoffs not so much
@@aceassn716 They were missing the whole ol, plus Von Miller was injured.
@@aceassn716 That's an ignorant statement because they have to win 3 playoff games to make the Superbowl
@@aceassn716Kind of like 17-0 until Brady couldn't beat Eli in the SB LOLOLOL
7:28 I don't think enough people talk about that "kicking the fumbled snap out of the endzone" play. That was really the only play I remember from this game.
One of the smartest, "know the rules, and know the situation" plays I've ever seen.
I mean it's smart but it's fairly common
I think pretty clearly the obvious current comparison in terms of playoff "choking" is Lamar as opposed to Dak.
Lets see if Lamar can overcome the narrative
Peyton & Dak are similar because they choked with elite talent at the skill positions. Lamar don’t have the elite wrs
@bonesawisready2865 that's fair, however Dak doesn't have the MVPs the other two do. I'd argue that correlates more than weaponry
I think he has cause Dak hasn't made a NFC Championship Games yet. While Lamar just came off one.
@@bonesawisready2865Yeaaa, I'd rather have the #1 scoring defense through my career as a starter like Lamar 😂 So he's still a choker, especially after last year 😮 He's not alone, Josh Allen has the the #2 scoring defense through his career as a starter so he hasn't had to put up that many pts to get a W either. Mahomes has played with the #7 scoring defense on average for his career, last year really helped 😂
Lamar is athletically talented but a crappy QB. He wasn't even top 10 in several QB categories last year, yet nearly unanimous MVP. The MVP award has become a joke.
15:20 You know i've always wanted to see film on just how dominant Lester Hayes or Mel Blount was....or just how scary that Raiders secondary was🤔😅
Peyton Legacy is over inflated. His Super Bowl run stats would would make Mark Sanchez blush. 3 TD to 7 INT's he was a game manager for the 06-07 Championship and he was a corpse carried by the Denver Defense in 2015. 10 times Manning had a top 10 defense and 75% of the times he lost in the wildcard or opening round of the playoffs.
The irony is that, the next season after the rule changes, Indy went into Foxboro and had arguably a WORSE game with a better offense.
I feel lamar is a better current comparison peyton both ave similar playoff scenarios and mvps and people still give lamar shit
There’s also the premise that Peyton “couldn’t get over Brady” Lamar doesn’t have that narrative with mahomes in the way that Allen does, so I’d say it’s a bit of the combination of the two of them. Allen and Lamar could feasibly be the Peyton to mahomes’ Brady, I think daks a great qb, but I don’t see him ever reaching that level
@@partypandamonium9116 honestly a really good point I didn’t consider that angle of it
Good comparison. Even though I think the Ravens have the most toxic fanbase in the NFL right now
If brady never showed up, people would still be calling Montana the goat. Manning is still known as a choker, but also a regular season monster.
Bill burr brings this up daily 😂😂😂😂
Manning resume second to Brady? Idk about that. Id take Montana, Pat. Hell Peyton’s final Super Bowl he was a shell of himself just barely hanging on
“3 hrs ago” mr. coleman it’s 6 in the morning 😂😂😂
Been an eventful sports morning for me at least. Found out paul george signed with the sixers and brett released a vid to beat a deadline lmao.
Peyton always had happy feet when pressured early. Choking wasn't the issue. It was his comfort in the pocket. Beating him was simple. If you disrupt his rhythm early, he faltered more than he didn't. The longer the game progressed and his rhythm was not interrupted, the tougher it was to beat him.
I'd love to see you do a video of the 2017 NFC Championship game. As painful as it would be to relive as a Vikings fan. Zimmer's defense was top notch that year and the wheels just came off that game. I still haven't fully recovered..
Love the video but I took issue with one thing you said. Manning is not 2nd in history behind Brady. We can't just skip over Joe Montana like that.
You said this made defense illegal, yet the following year in the Divisional Round, the ONLY Colts player that put up any points was their liquored up idiot kicker.
He’s a nice guy but he is an idiot
The game where the colts were complaining about the Patriots' DBs for being way too physical.
*Proceeds to score only 3 points almost the same time next year in the AFC Divisional game* ☠
The last two minutes is basically the whole conversation about Lamar I feel like. Most average NFL fans are just like "nope, sucks in the playoffs for sure." There isnt even a discussion to be had because they arent watching ball, theyre just parroting a narrative
He does suck in the playoffs kid. 74 passer rating, 9 TDs, 9 turnovers in 6 games. 0-4 in games where the opponent scores 14+ points, his only 2 playoff wins have came from his defense carrying him and holding the opponent to 13 points or less
He was known as not being able to win big games from his collegiate days. He was the best qb in the country but he went 0-4 against his biggest rival which essentially took them out of championship contention early all 4 of his collegiate seasons.
It was crazy to see Manning get owned by th 03 Pats, and then a few weeks later to see Dehlome torch that same defense in superbowl 38. Colts went to the league after this loss i remeber.
Joe Montana vs the Falcons in 1989. 5 ints in a season when he was NFL MVP. Four Super Bowls,3 Super Bowl MVPs and in the Hall of Fame. But, a terrible game. Everyone has them.
I love your point about great QBs being judged for their worst games. That narrative, and the "a QB isn't great unless they win a SB" need to stop.
Granted, I'm speaking as a Cowboys fan and we have had back to back 2 of the greatest QBs of all time who haven't won a SB, so I tend to take this a bit personally. I spent the 2000's listening to Eli vs Romo comparisons with not a single person talking about the 2000's Giants defense. You know, that defense that held the undefeated NE to less than 20 points even though NE was averaging north of 30 PPG going into the SB.
That being said, I'd really enjoy a video on the unsung heroes that were the NYG's defense that broke up NE's perfect season. Everyone remembers Tyree's catch, but people forget just how dominant that Giants defense was all game, and how unreal NE's offense was going into the SB.
Fellow Dallas fan who recalls as well
That 07 Giants led the league in sacks with 60 or so.. that Sam Hurd drop haunts me eternally
I think it's part of a larger flaw in North American sports culture, tbh, a larger overfixation on championships/postseason success. Even in sports where there is a regular-season championship trophy (the NHL comes readily to mind), the main way most fans tend to think about it is the way it tends to jinx whichever team gets it in the postseason.
The way North American leagues generally force a certain amount of parity, while it's good that outside of chronic mismanagement it's hard to render a team straight-up non-competitive, also creates a kind of fan brainrot where the regular season just totally doesn't matter to them except as a vehicle for making the post season. And that kind of sucks considering the vast majority of games are the regular season, and by definition the post-season ends in defeat for all but one team and finishing on top requires a lot of luck as well as being good.
Being a Ravens fan, for instance, it's incredibly frustrating seeing fans treat seasons where we win our division or even get the #1 seed as a failure because, even though we won the most games in our conference, we didn't get to the Super Bowl thanks to Chiefs Bullshit.
"Two of the greatest QB's back to back to not win a SB"
Chargers: hold my beer (Herbert, Rivers)
It’s straight up blasphemy to compare Peyton Manning to Dak Prescott. DAC cannot beat good teams at all and stat pads against terrible teams. Deck has never been considered a consensus top five quarterback year in and year out and outside of last year I would even question if he was the top 10. Just remember, just because you throw a bunch of yards doesn’t mean you’re the best quarterback. Jameis Winston led the league in passing for the Saints one year.
Yes even Peyton Manning was criticized for playing badly in the playoffs. But if you point out that the sweet little Mr Irrelevant Brock Purdy has 6 TDs in 6 playoff games, apparently that’s unfair criticism and he should be given the benefit of the doubt. So it’s ok to be skeptical of the #1 overall pick, future hall of famer, but we should blindly trust that the last pick in the draft will get better someday.
Peyton Manning is the GOAT! Anyone have the balls to debate me as to why you think he isn’t? Of all you can say is cause Brady’s rings or his longevity, then you have no argument. It took Brady like 5 extra seasons to catch up to Manning’s stats. Stop the Brady narrative. It’s a team game, even Brady admits that without his defense, he would maybe have 3 rings, if that. Manning has 2, should have beat the Saints but Reggie ran his route shitty and wrong. But I digress, it’s preposterous to think because Brady won five extra games than Peyton in the postseason, that he’s better 😂.
Manning is 3-1 in the AFC Championship games against Brady. So what does that tell you? It tells you that in the most important game in the AFC, Manning won 75% of the time. That is clutch! They have the championship is basically the Super Bowl for the AFC and NFC. More rivalries play each other. Let that sink in. 3-1
The thing is, the Patriots were still allowed to mug receivers after the rule changes lol.
@future_teknokrat7585 Yeah, no.. The league actually apologized for a phantom PI they called against Ellis Hobbs in the 06 AFC Championship Game. Asante Samuel was called for one of those, too, when he beat Reggie Wayne for a would-be INT and got tripped by him.
@@JuanMartinez-xf3uztwo anecdotes does not negate OP's point 😂
@@insertnamehere2746 He made a baseless claim I easily disproved. Suggesting that any team is the exception to any rule demonstrates a lack of understanding.
@@JuanMartinez-xf3uz having only a few examples for when a team is held accountable doesn't really demonstrate that they were held EQUALLY (or approximately) accountable to that of other teams
@@insertnamehere2746"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot"
Steelers Chargers 2010 playoff game where Troy Polamalu went berzerk and the final score was like 11-10 or something
I'll always spend 15 minutes watching Ty Law mug the Colts. God that game was fun to watch live.
The games are so rigged. it looked like Manning was throwing DIRECTLY to the patriots players..
Right when I finish a Bootleg episode and get ready to hit the hay. Brett, you dirty dawg.
Manning is second to Brady?
No he's not. Just because he won a couple super bowls doesn't mean he's on the level of Brady, Montana, Starr, or other guys who consistently won at a high level.
Manning is amazing, but he was never those guys.
I need a Ray Lewis film session
Downtown LA background while wearing Houston Texans sweatshirt. Awesome.
Thank you, Brett! This is legitimately what i have been dealing with all off season. Dak has a mvp regular season but has a bad playoff game so according to people that means he is trash. You have cowboys fans saying to let him go because they will just get another QB. Im at the point i want Dak to leave dallas just so these people will get just how hard it is to find QBs even as good as Dak is
I agree that Dak is at least competent at QB but it’s the Cowboys we’re talking about, they’re SUPPOSED to be competing for Super Bowls and haven’t made it past the divisional since I don’t remember when. So while Dak is okay, he hasn’t shown to be good enough for what the Cowboys are trying to achieve.
@z34567890123456 You are exactly the type of person Brett and I are talking about. Calling the QB that was second in mvp last year, okay is just ridiculous, and it's the fact you are only saying that based off of 5 of the games he has played in a 8 year career. I'm exhausted trying to talk sense into people like you. So I'm just gonna say there are many other reasons this team hasn't had playoff success and leave it at that. And no, that's not me absolving him of blame from when he has played poorly in playoff games.
@@Hozuki16To be fair last year was one of the weakest MVP seasons, if not THEE weakest, in history. The NFL wants sooo bad to give it to a QB, especially one like Lamar (wink wink), when in the past a season like CMC had (especially with the weak QB stats) would have gotten multiple votes.
@100puremustard5 that's not being fair, though. That's coming up with a reason to down him for being second in mvp. Also, it wasn't weak, and it wasn't one of the weakest in history. You are only saying that because the guys that were leading it weren't guys you would normally consider elite. If Mahomes or Josh Allen or Burrow had the stats and record vs. the exact same teams Dak or Purdy or even Tua had, they would have been unanimous. It wouldn't have been the bs it was this year, where if they lose a game, they are basically out of the conversation.
@@Hozuki16 1st, the Ravens had the #1 scoring defense. I like to call this the QB handicap ie. they don't have to put up as many points a to get a W like a Tua or Herbert. 2nd, we all know fantasy football isn't real football, but it is a great indicator as to a player(s) ballin out. Last year was the worst year for fantasy QB scoring in the last 5 and when you take into account the 17 game season now it's the worst in over a decade. It wasn't just Lamar, it was all QB's across the board, scoring was just way down.
Legacy second only to Brady? I think you are too generous to Peyton. I would say in terms of legacy from the super bowl era you can’t put him before Montana, Mahomes or Aikman. You could argue that Manning, Elway, Marino and Bradshaw are all sort of tied for 5th. Personally I would put Bradshaw ahead of him if we are talking legacy. If I’m choosing one of them to be my starter and they are in their prime and in today’s NFL I’m taking them in this order. Mahomes, Montana, Marino, Brady, Aikman, Manning, Elway and then Bradshaw. If we are talking the NFL of the 70’s & 80’s then I take Montana, Marino, Bradshaw, Mahomes, Elway, Aikman, Brady, then Manning. Game was so much different then that players could not play the same then as the do in the modern NFL.
5 years into his career
tom brady was considered a dink and dunk system qb
Time has proven that Bill needed Brady more than Brady needed Bill.
@@georgelucas2571Time has proven that through his career on average Brady's teams had the #1 scoring defense. For example, Manning had to put up 23pts a game to get a W where as Brady only had to put up 17pts a game....... nice little handicap there for Brady LOL
@@flerbus Just by low IQ casual fans. He led the league in passing yards TD's in 02 and in passing yards in 05 while throwing to bum receivers.
@@100puremustard5 yeah no need to mention the HOF WRs manning had or anything lol
@@headstrong4203 I thought Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Gronk were Patriots...??? Oh, and Edelman
Why did Manning have a reputation for choking in big games. Well he was 0-3 in playoff after 4 seasons. And that wasn't a fluke. He wasn't good in those games.
I would argue the pats vs rams Super Bowl changed the rules more than this game . The NFL wanted that high flying offense and the pats shut it down
Spygate haha
Love your Kamikaze II pic!
Reignman Kemp was a beast!!
@@aceassn716I got every pair 😊
I remember this being the game that changed how playoff games were reffed. I do like the analysis of what really went on here. However my two thoughts on this are
1. Why were the refs so quick to throw illegal contact downfield in regular season and “let them play” in post season, teams with smaller wideouts (Colts) would not have looked so mismatched in some playoff games as their guys certainly struggled against physical corners (patriots weren’t the only team in that era that benefited from this )
2. Most championship teams in decades past had a physical wide receiver that could beat this physical play. By changing the rules now we got a bunch of 5’9” guys running all over the place. This really changed the game.
Patriots used to have something on Peyton because he use to play like trash 🗑️ against them. Those early 00’s patriots were terrifying they seemed unbeatable..
I can't stand Payton Manning. One of the most overrated QBs of all time. I don't understand how anyone thinks he is 2nd to Tom Brady
everybody: watch’s the video normally
Cowboy fans: so your telling me we have the the next peyton manning?
Brett there were no uncalled penalties because there were no legitimate penalties to call
Also Peyton Manning had a record NINE playoff one and outs. He was known as a playoff flop because HE WAS. The outlier is the playoff success
I wouldn't say he's overrated but it's not a "hot take" to describe him as a choke artist. He did choke more often than not in big games.
IKR. It's like people calling Brady the obvious goat, then you look up how many of those SB teams he won with had a top 3 defense, #1 multiple times. If you think about it the SB against the Falcons is the only one where he had to play great ball. His Tampa SB win was the defense (or Mahomes choking?) take your pick. The 2 against the Rams was definitley the D, as well as against the Panther & Eagles, gotta give K Vinitieri his flowers for sure. The Seahawks should have run Marshon Lynch duh! So that was also the D making an incredible play/save. That's why it's a TEAM game people.
@100puremustard5 I truly believe Manning was the best overall QB. The man could do anything on the field when it came to passing the ball. He has the best mind for a QB when it comes to the game. He was also blessed with great physical gifts to compliment his mind. He was able to utilize them both perfectly. But he did choke in the big games.
Even when he did break through, his SB stats are the worst. Great Defenses got Paintin his Rings! He is a much better actor than a clutch QB!
That narrative still holds up. They only won thwir first superbowl because they bears only had a defense and Hester. He won the second solely because of the broncos defense. Peyton never had juice to reach the big game agaisnt a team that had even a little offense.
There’s definitely a conversation to be had about Peyton’s playoff games, for better and worse lol. He had a completion percentage of less than 50% in his first 3 years in the playoffs, losing in the first game each of the 3 years. So going into 2003 I would definitely say that’s the look of a playoff choker lol
And interestingly, he was barely mediocre in his Super Bowl years with a miserable 5-8 TD-INTs over those 7 games.
However, outside of those 5 years, he has a QBR of 88 or better in 9 of the other 10 years in the playoffs.
Overall, Peyton manning did well in the playoffs but the timing of certain games that he had can make him look bad. He did have some awesome defenses in his SB years, but so do most QBs in there SB years. If he had those good games during the years he won a Super Bowl, we wouldn’t even have this discussion. Just weird timing and early career flubs make it look worse than it was.