Seymour Duncan Powerstage vs ISP Stealth vs KSR PA50

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  • Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024

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  • @jeffhirshberg5171
    @jeffhirshberg5171 Месяц назад +3

    The Quilter 202 is an excellent choice, as well. Another information packed demo, Jarrod. Really enjoying this series of videos.

  • @braxal6983
    @braxal6983 Месяц назад +14

    I would get a Fryette Power Station. Hands down the best and you can run your amp at bedroom level. It is so versatile. Once you get one you will not want anything else.

    • @therileyobrien
      @therileyobrien Месяц назад +2

      It's tube though. The point of this video was to compare the small solid state ones. The Fryette is really awesome though for sure.

    • @braxal6983
      @braxal6983 Месяц назад +2

      @@therileyobrien True, it is tube but why waste time? Just get a Fryette Power Station and call it a day.

    • @muleblues71
      @muleblues71 Месяц назад

      @@therileyobrien video comparing both types.

    • @muleblues71
      @muleblues71 Месяц назад +2

      Using the poweration with the friedman IR-J pedal at the moment. It can get loud

    • @YouSoundButtHurt
      @YouSoundButtHurt Месяц назад

      Yep, that or a Matrix.

  • @GhostofGenX
    @GhostofGenX Месяц назад +4

    I have the SD Powerstage 700 running Helix Floor (When I'm not playing my Mr Scary modded Mesa Badlander haha) through 2 Mesa oversized 412 cabs, it packs a punch but does seem to be lacking something. I may just buy 2 of the ISP Stealths to power both cabs after hearing this! Thanks for the video!

    • @jumpbackgeno
      @jumpbackgeno Месяц назад +2

      I just bought a soldano x88 ir and need a good power amp so this helps but I did notice KSR just dropped a 100w pwr amp with midi so might just do that whoop!!!

  • @TheLaw1
    @TheLaw1 Месяц назад +2

    I bought the big-boy powerstage when it came out to power cabs in stereo. It felt weird to play in mono. Everything had a bit of harshness. A lot of happy owners though!

  • @ManuSDP
    @ManuSDP Месяц назад +1

    I have the big brother to the ISP Stealth (the 180 watter) and I use it for gigs regularly. It stacks up for damn sure

  • @mookytc
    @mookytc 21 день назад

    I picked up a used ISP Stealth Ultra Lite based on Jarrod giving us a power amp comparison in an older video. I have been very happy with it.

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  21 день назад +1

      Thanks for commenting. I'm so glad you like that power amp.

    • @mookytc
      @mookytc 21 день назад

      @@TONEWARSgearshow Hoping you soon get your hands on the limited run Mark IIC+. Watching a few demos I kept thinking what will Jarrod get out of this amp.

  • @onemanaftermath771
    @onemanaftermath771 Месяц назад

    Another great shootout.You are very knowledgeable and i get that in the "trenches" with the rest of us metal players vibe.Keep it coming!

  • @khall187
    @khall187 Месяц назад

    Great video, sick thumbnail!!

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  Месяц назад

      Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I've been really trying to up my game regarding thumbnails lately as well. I'm so glad you liked it.

  • @TavaresProject
    @TavaresProject Месяц назад +1

    Great comparison. That ISP is damn close to the ksr. Didn't even know it existed. All you hear is about the Seymour Duncan. Thanks

  • @javableak
    @javableak Месяц назад +1

    The amplified sound of the tubes is superior! There is no doubt about it.

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  Месяц назад +1

      Agreed. That said, the ISP Stealth comes damn close

  • @jacekfz99
    @jacekfz99 Месяц назад +1

    Would be interesting to see the Quilter Amp Block as well

    • @senhorbaker
      @senhorbaker Месяц назад

      I like mine a lot, bought it with the SD and returned the SD.

  • @rutger4131
    @rutger4131 Месяц назад +1

    Sleeper unit: Rocktron Velocity 300

  • @badgered-band
    @badgered-band Месяц назад +2

    You should try BluGuitar Amp1 Iridium as a power amp. It sounds so good!

  • @DerekMcElwee
    @DerekMcElwee Месяц назад +1

    I have a pa50, no other solution has come close to what it does for me, short of a rack tube power amp. The powerstage with cab, waza tae power section with cab/laney frfr 2x12, ascr 12 friedman, revv d40 through fx return(thus sounds great but having the controls on the front of the pa50 and the size make it the clear winner) pa50 everyday all day. I use the qc and run no ir out of 3/4 to the pa50 and ir on output 1/2 to the pa. Great master volume on the pa50 too.

  • @daysthrumycam
    @daysthrumycam Месяц назад

    I use the PS170 and 200 with my Axe Fx Ultra, Axe FX II, FM3 and ToneX. They all sound great through but - what adds a lot of life to it is when I add the Guptech pdEQ pedal right after the FX unit going into the poweramp. It provides it the much needed life. Absolutely love it!

  • @needsLITHIUM
    @needsLITHIUM Месяц назад +2

    I would love to see a comparison of the iSP Stealth, the "power amp in" jack of a Boss Katana head, and an Orange Pedal Baby.

    • @PSYRE_OFFICIAL
      @PSYRE_OFFICIAL Месяц назад +1

      Pedal Baby 100 owner here, I can't speak to the sound qualities of any other power amp on the market but I also have used the power section of my EVH 5150 III 50w 6L6 head and my USA PRS Archon 50's power section (both 6L6GC) and the Orange does well to compare. Some power amps like the SD Powerstage are class D while the ISP and the Pedal Baby are class A/B which is alleged to give a more "organic" feel that you associate with tubes; yet it is tubeless.
      Edit: For context I use my Pedal Baby 100 to power a Friedman IR-X tube preamp and an Eleven Rack, sometimes a HeadRush MX5.

    • @needsLITHIUM
      @needsLITHIUM Месяц назад

      @@PSYRE_OFFICIAL My reason for asking is because the clean channel on an Orange Super Crush is just the Pedal Baby with an FX Loop, and I'm a proud owner of a Super Crush. The Super Crush and Pedal Baby also have the added benefit that you can push the input to tighten things up, whereas units like the ISP just make things louder, or clip in an unappealing way. I have a Joyo Oxford Sound, which I run into the clean channel extra hot, and I also boost the front of that with a Precision Drive clone. Retains the usual low mid growl of the orange, but gets tight like an EVH 5150. I often double track that with the amp's dirt channel, boosted with the same OD, to rather good effect.
      I was just curious to see other people's thoughts.

  • @mcasuse
    @mcasuse Месяц назад +1

    its all preference bro they have nice sounds coming from them all!!!

  • @PippPriss
    @PippPriss Месяц назад

    On of the main things is that the KSR and ISP Stealth are both Class A/B amplifiers, while the Seymour Duncan Powerstage is a Class D poweramp. A lot of people have similar perceptions of what you stated regarding the Orange Pedal Baby 100 vs. the Powerstage.
    If you have the chance, try to compare that also to the Powerstage.

  • @9th_note
    @9th_note Месяц назад

    awesome video man, been waiting for somebody to do this.

  • @thefadedline221
    @thefadedline221 Месяц назад +1

    Have you tried the Orange Pedal Baby? If so what are your thoughts on that unit vs the ISP?

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  29 дней назад +1

      I haven't tried that unit yet but I definitely want to. I've heard good things

  • @Burkhimself
    @Burkhimself Месяц назад +1

    As popular as the power station seems to be, I was shocked that it sounded this different. I definitely preferred the ISP over the SD.

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  Месяц назад

      Thanks for commenting. That's exactly why I did this video. I've seen so many people using the SD power station and I think they're missing out on better stuff.

  • @jrlee243
    @jrlee243 Месяц назад

    The ISP power amp has been around for aling time. The big brother to that one i ran for years. I do like my pedal baby, Orange did a really great job with it. From what i understand, they made it an A/B class power amp with it. Not much in I/O options, a in for pedals and out for running cabs, no line out for running it straight in your interface.

  • @mickeygiesbers8176
    @mickeygiesbers8176 Месяц назад

    The one I'm using is the Orange Pedal Baby, I like it, I have compared it to real tubes, obviously not AS good, but I can't afford another one, and so far I am really enjoying it 😂 I'm using a pedalboard with the Tonex one as the source of the tone.

  • @TrumpetsInMy4x12
    @TrumpetsInMy4x12 Месяц назад

    Is that KSR the Dunkies N' Demos special? As far as tube power amps for a modeler/preamp go; I love my EVH Stealth 50 as a power amp or my Fryette LX. I have never wanted the PowerStage despite it having a generally good feature set.

  • @msi1985
    @msi1985 Месяц назад

    I run a hybrid rig with a 5150 stealth and my quad cortex... I ended up getting the KSR cause I wanted a way to accurately run the pre amp captures from my QC... It definitely does that in spades! Of course it leads to more tweaking and less playing, which makes me lean towards either playing into my real amp or using neural DSP plugins thru my monitors for lower bedroom level volumes

  • @josephboyle7444
    @josephboyle7444 Месяц назад +1

    I have a Duncan Powerstage 200, it's alright- it's also got a presence control, which might be the frequency control you're missing from the 170 in this demo. With the amount of gain going on, EQ is really everything. Weirdly, it seems like a lot of metal guys would appreciate the quicker transients and less compressed feel of solid state, especially for rhythm work.
    I suppose the real question becomes, is it powerful enough, and does it work for you? The big drawback of SS amps for decades wasn't just how they sound or feel, but that a "50 watt" SS amp is barely enough for a coffeehouse gig, whereas a 50 watt tube amp is loud enough for almost any non-stadium situation. It'll move the speakers!

    • @valpulsinelli3449
      @valpulsinelli3449 Месяц назад

      I had the Orange pedal baby and didnt like it at all, traded for the SD powerstage 200. In my opinion it sounds way better.

  • @gral9440
    @gral9440 Месяц назад

    I run all my preamp pedals (NATAS, CERES,Heavy Hatchet,IR-X…) through my PA50. I also run through it a JMP-1, a Syn-1 and a HX Stomp XL. I have two other Power amps: an E840 for my E530 and a Syn 5050 for my Syn 2.
    And finally I have 3 powerstation 2a
    And I know for sure that i will never use any SS Power Amp.

  • @rayprevailer8454
    @rayprevailer8454 Месяц назад

    I run an ISP Theta into a Quilter block 200. Sounds and feel very good to me....but not as good as the Theta running into my Marshall dual mono bloc 100. That amp is a tank. It never leaves the studio.

  • @martinhensley2377
    @martinhensley2377 Месяц назад +1

    I like the KSR 50

  • @777james777
    @777james777 Месяц назад +1

    Have you tried the Blackstar Amped one? It’s unique in that it has power tube simulation, I have one but don’t know how it compares to others like it.

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  Месяц назад

      I've definitely heard of that. If I get a chance to check one out, I definitely will.

    • @The_resurrected1887
      @The_resurrected1887 Месяц назад +1

      @@TONEWARSgearshowIll save you the trouble . Don’t buy it sucks . Lol

  • @robjohnson5829
    @robjohnson5829 Месяц назад

    Hey Jarrod, I wanted to throw another option in the ring that Kyle Bull turned me on to. It’s the Blackstar Amped 1. I’m not normally a big Blackstar guy but man this thing is incredible. It has different tube voicings which really sound good (The EL34 and 6L6 in particular). The feel and sound are both excellent, I actually preferred it over my Fryette PS100.

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  Месяц назад

      Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it. If I get my hands on one of those, I'll check it out for sure.

  • @Freddekaddeth
    @Freddekaddeth Месяц назад

    Did you ever try the peavey bandit redstripe? It's a great amp. I use a preamp pedal into the FX return and speaker out into a 4x12. Sounds and feels like a tubeamp but much tighter and can get very loud.

    • @TheKLeifheit13
      @TheKLeifheit13 21 день назад

      I've actually compared my Bandit to my Stealth with my KSR Vesta preamp and I'd take the Stealth all day. Just a fuller and more lively tone to me

  • @-SILON
    @-SILON 15 дней назад

    Thanks again for the video. Would you guesstimate that the Seymour Duncan power stage 700 would sound similar to the 170? (I'm guessing yes for the most part) Would this be worth a comparison?

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  14 дней назад

      Good question. If I ever get a chance to compare them I definitely will. I'm pretty sure they sound very similar.

    • @-SILON
      @-SILON 14 дней назад

      @TONEWARSgearshow thanks. I'm definitely selling, picking up the isp, and trying to save up for the ksr. The dollar is terrible right now so I'm hoping it improves

  • @IamTheDustDevil
    @IamTheDustDevil Месяц назад

    Hey Captain overdrive, I use the Seymore duncan powerstage 700 Class D amp for my modelers my Axefx III, Helix rack,
    But for my vintage preamps (ADA MP1 3 tube mod, Rocktron Prophecy, Digitech DSP2101, ISP Theta Pro DSP & My Synergy Modules I use a Mesa Boogie rectifier 2-100 Poweramp. That KSR sounds great,

  • @MKRISING75
    @MKRISING75 Месяц назад

    This channel is so refreshing because of honesty killer gear reviews and my boy J-Rod can blaze on a guitar 🎸 🤟🏻keep Rocking brother

  • @Krigloch
    @Krigloch 29 дней назад

    Using a PS200 with my Tonex pedal. It is definitely missing something. Still sounds good, but I'd love a proper tube poweramp. If I wasnt just playing by myself I'd get something better. (Also own a EVH EL34 Iconic)

  • @tommanseau6277
    @tommanseau6277 Месяц назад

    The short of it: class AB sounds better for a lot of applications than class D. The exception to that is Thomas Blug's Amp 1 which shapes the preamp tone going into the power section with a "nano" tube, which acts as a filter and dynamicly changes the signal. Quilter does something similar, just with solid state. While class D puts out impressive numbers and does really pump out more wattage, it is not necessarily nice to listen to.

  • @yousocrazy1199
    @yousocrazy1199 Месяц назад

    i have a Nano cortex connected to a Electroharmonix magnum 44 pedal to my 1x12 mesa cab, no complaints lol i have 3 real tube amps so im sure what im hearing. great video btw.

  • @rudemood69
    @rudemood69 Месяц назад

    I use a tonex that goes into joyo bamTamp xl zombieII. I have a Ibanex TS9 in front of the tonex than a delay and put it into the return of the effects loop and the joyo becomes a preamp into a cabinet then mike it. sounds good and the joyo amp only costs 199.99.

  • @latorta1000
    @latorta1000 Месяц назад +1

    you should try the Mooer tube engine 20-watt tube power amp.

    • @nashmanzl
      @nashmanzl Месяц назад

      I have that one. And it is great. But I've been coveting the KSR for well over a year. That's the next step, It takes 3 kinds of tubes! Match the digital amp model or profile with the tube type that came from that amp!

    • @The_resurrected1887
      @The_resurrected1887 Месяц назад

      It’s garbage

  • @nomad100hd
    @nomad100hd Месяц назад +1

    The power stage is Class D, so it will never feel right or sound good because filtered PWM does not produce quality sound. Saying you can't hear the difference in a mix is a cop-out for using inadequate gear. The power stage can't produce the mids that the other two can and will easily get lost in a dense mix.

  • @Johnmannish
    @Johnmannish Месяц назад

    Could you try the ISP against the Powerstage 200 that has presence knob? maybe turning up a little that knob sounds more like the ISP, or maybe not, i would love that comparison

  • @seanmichael8411
    @seanmichael8411 Месяц назад

    I would love to see a comparison using a Fractal with advanced tube power amplifier modeling. Wondering if that would pick up the slack and equal them out? KSR seems killer though.

  • @MotoRiff77
    @MotoRiff77 Месяц назад

    The SDPS is very boxy sounding, whenever I get that boxy sound I actually use a Sonic Maximizer 🙃

  • @christopheranderson2158
    @christopheranderson2158 Месяц назад +1

    Yeah…..the PowerStage sounds very choked and muffled compared to the other two. From this side of RUclips, I prefer the ISP over the KSR. It sounds a little tighter. But the KSR would slay in the room I think……..

  • @Johnmannish
    @Johnmannish Месяц назад

    Thanks for the video, i have a powerstage 200 and i always felt that. How much louder is the Duncan powerstage 200 compared to the ISP 180? because i'm thinking on selling the Duncan and buy the ISP.

  • @muleblues71
    @muleblues71 Месяц назад

    Tubes and transformers give it that percussive punch to the chest like chugs. Now I want that Revv pedal, was disapponted with the IR-J pedal for $600. Are both the Duncan and ISP using the same class of solid state power amp? There are a few different types,Class D,G, A/B etc

    • @MKRISING75
      @MKRISING75 Месяц назад

      Awe man I don’t have a IR-J but was hoping to get one why were you disappointed with it?

    • @muleblues71
      @muleblues71 Месяц назад

      @MKRISING75 for $600, pretty overpriced, the ir-x are on sale for $425 new, $300 used. I'm not using the ir stuff anyway. Guitar-pedal-powerstation-cab. Christ, for $600 more, I'd get the jel 20 head. I get it's a plexi/jcm 800 style amp, lower gain amp that needs a od pedal to take it to the next level. Didn't friedman mod these amps to give it more gain. I'll give the irx a try.

    • @MKRISING75
      @MKRISING75 Месяц назад

      @@muleblues71 The the IR-J has a built in TS boost in it if that helps with the demos I saw it gets in a good hi- gain territory using channel 2 and use the structure switch on and add the TS boost then you have a hot rodded JCM 800 with the TS BOOST added

  • @JHPRS
    @JHPRS Месяц назад

    How's it going bud? I was wondering if you will be doing a video on Headrush, now that they have come out with 4.0 firmware. It looks like they are making noise with the new cloning technology. Rock on brother. :)

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  Месяц назад

      It's going well, thank you. Hopefully it's going well for you also. Yes, I will definitely be updating that unit and doing a video with it soon. I've been really busy lately. Doing RUclips and running a business gets a little overwhelming sometimes lol.

  • @LOLOLOL1ish
    @LOLOLOL1ish Месяц назад

    I can’t wait to get the new KSR Rackmount pa100 😩

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  Месяц назад

      That thing looks awesome. I bet you're going to love it

  • @suffersystemstudios
    @suffersystemstudios Месяц назад

    Should the eq knobs on the SD be all the way to the left? I never played one but assumed they should all be center as a normal EQ and then you adjust as needed?

    • @suffersystemstudios
      @suffersystemstudios Месяц назад

      lol the level is all the way to zero so nevermind I assume that is not taken as the settings are

  • @patrickaskey1965
    @patrickaskey1965 Месяц назад

    1st one definitely sounds brighter. The 2nd one sounds dull or muffled.

  • @StepBrollo
    @StepBrollo Месяц назад +2

    I'm using a pod go with a powerstage 170 and some good IRs and it sounds awesome live. I go DI and into a cab. If you're on a budget I'd highly recommend it.

  • @judaspriestchild
    @judaspriestchild Месяц назад

    Heres the thing, I have owned several different powerstages for entire band gigging purposes and the quality is hit or miss. The tone quality of the cheap 170 model is much noticeable from the 200, which is the more preferred model IMO.

  • @emach07
    @emach07 Месяц назад +1

    No Matrix power amps? lolol I had to go there

  • @raphgambuto649
    @raphgambuto649 Месяц назад

    ritter amplification germany sounds best guitar board amp shp the bluguitar amp1 iridium power amp sounds great too going into the return. power amp is very importa t for feel an powering a real 412

  • @CrownedWarriorBand
    @CrownedWarriorBand Месяц назад +3

    The SD is Class D. That's the issue. Buck at ISP knows what he is doing.

  • @andybecker5001
    @andybecker5001 Месяц назад +1

    SD sounds great…until you hear ksr

  • @stavrosescobar1624
    @stavrosescobar1624 9 дней назад

    Both the solid state amps sound more compressed, but the ISP blows the Seymour Duncan out of the water. The KSR is definitely superior, but I was very surprised at how good the ISP sounded. You can hear more harmonic complexity in the KSR. Nice work, sir.

  • @youscreamiscream
    @youscreamiscream Месяц назад

    KSR is overpriced, especially for mono.

  • @pizzaisgood4877
    @pizzaisgood4877 Месяц назад

    The SD Power Stage sounded like shit. 💩

  • @b1gnutt
    @b1gnutt Месяц назад

    Does this change everything?

    • @TONEWARSgearshow
      @TONEWARSgearshow  Месяц назад

      Haha, it's solved world hunger so far. I really hope it solves the buffering issue with the Tyson / Paul fight tonight LOL