Top Down vs Bottom Up Thinking: Allistic vs Autistic
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2023
- Allistic people and Autistic people often problem solve and think differently. Autistic people use a process called Bottom Up Thinking taking a lot of details. Allistic people use Top Down Thinking relying on past information to make decisions.
In this video I talk more about Allistic processing (as far as I can understand it. Also why more autistic people have prosopagnosia and examples of bottom up thinking.
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Don't change because of the comments please. Dont try to please the neurotypicals. You are so lovely to watch for us neurodiverse people. The way you breath is not wrong in any way.
Thank you. Actually, it was probably autistic people that commented on my breath because it was a sensory trigger for them, especially if they were listening with earphones! Lol, I know sound in videos is important and well, I'm learning! 😊 But yeah, I can't really control my breath, I mean I work on trying to breath and talk at the same time, but my brain is like Choose! One or the other! Lol.
My partner is always asking ne why i am sighing. Its OK, just breathing.
And not going to the toilet to the last minute or knowing full or hungry.
Ive learnt so many things from this channel, about things i do which i thought ere normal. But apparently arent.
My face blindness is very context based. For example: I used to teach music lessons at a music store and whenever I saw one of my students mom, she had come from work and was dressed up. I saw here one time at the grocery store, by herself and dressed in casual clothes, and I had no idea who she was! This happened even though I saw her once a week at her son’s lesson. Another example is playing and recording with another musician, then seeing him at the store, knowing I knew him, but not being able to recognize who he was.
And this happens a lot with people I meet in a different context than where I normally see them. I also have a very hard time remembering names and putting them with faces. A lot of times I give people my own descriptive names, like ‘hat guy’ or ‘loud car girl’, in order to remember them. Like my neighbor, who always has his radio on to listen to the ball game, I think of him as ‘radio man.’ Even my wife refers to him that way now.
I also hate background music in talking videos. I have a hard time processing voices out of the noise, especially like at a party or big event. Music in a talking video is so distracting and irritating.
I do this too! If I was to ever run into my neighbor for instance in the grocery store I really don't think I'd recognize her, even though I talk to her in front of our houses fairly often.
It happens to me too! I can't remember a person if i don't see them often, and i can easily mistakeone person to another just because of a single characteristic 😂
Like the day i met a girl and we played a whole day but the next week i had no idea of who she was
Me too! ❤
sorry about your fall and set back.
thank you so much for not using background music, sound effects, visual effects or other whistles and bells. I'll take your breathing anytime.
I second this! Thank you!
Thank you for this feedback. It feels like I'm "doing RUclips wrong" but I'm just doing it Neurodivergent not Nuerotypical. 😊 I'm glad the choices are appreciated. ❤️
Also, I have hyper sensitive hearing and still think it's VERY comforting to hear someone else catch their breath during a talk because I recognize that pattern in myself. I get so out of breath when I'm discussing anything I'm passionate about. For me, it's one of the ways you provide effective and real representation on your channel.
And the "gotta pee" signals too, yes OMG. Sometimes I gotta ask my partner "...Did you hear me flush? I can't remember if I peed before getting into bed just now." 😂 Cuz I'm getting that queue from my body again so quickly. Ha! It's wild and I haven't heard anyone else mention this so thank you!
Lol, I've so done that. Like, wait, didn't I JUST GO PEE? I can't possibly need to go again! 🥴
Just wondering is it a common autistic trait to notice coincidences more often and wanting to let people know about them? I just happened to scroll to this comment at the same point In the video Amanda mentioned her fall.
Amanda:
I'm wondering if you would consider doing a video addressing autism and romantic relationships?
I'm wondering how your diagnosis has impacted your marriage?
Romantic relationships feel like being blindfolded, put into a maze with extreme heat, loud noises, stong odors and told to find my way through to the exit.
Your videos are incredibly authentic and inspiring. I appreciate your courage & commitment to share your
experience.❤
I'll have to think on this and how I'd want to do it. My husband is more private but said at some point he may be willing to do a question and answer video with me. 😊
Thank you for considering my request.
I remember in second grade telling my grandma I hadn’t yet learned to read. She was surprised. “But you just read that whole book!” My response was that I hadn’t learned every word yet, so I was still only learning to read.
I don’t know if this is a top-down thinking thing or just general overly-literal language, but this video reminded me of that.
I love this story. I think that's more literal thinking, but it could be you wanted to have all the info from the book too.
This explains so many things! My partner sighs at random and we've never understood it, he's ADHD and autistic. I cannot remember names to save my life, even people I've known for a while and it's so painful. People always underestimate when I tell them "I'm bad with names." Also, I look at people's pores, I can't help it I notice their acne, scars, hair and all that stuff.
One of the things that make it hard for me to recognize faces, especially out of context is that I avoid eye contact and don't want to seem "weird" by staring at various parts of people's faces, so I pass my glance quickly across faces and don't really look hard enough to make lasting memories
Oh god the breathing thing. I'm mostly not very aware I even have a body. I live in my head. But sometimes when I notice my breathing I get stuck thinking about my breathing and can't breath without thinking about until I can find something to distract me out of that mode.
Yes, I'm so disconnected from my body.
I forget to breathe all the time too lol. I tend to do it a lot in the morning when I’m waking up.
You might try switching to a condenser mic with a pop filter. It’ll take some fiddling with gain and volume, but there’ll be more distance from you, so it won’t catch your breathing. Then if you care to, you can further edit the audio-high/low pass filter, compression, etc.
My husband is an audio guy but all that info goes in one ear and out the other for me! I really do need to spend some time learning about it though!
If you notice you're breathing, I have learned a technique that helps reduce stress. It's the physiological sigh and you double inhale to the max and exhale then repeat. It triggers the nervous system to calm down. It can also be used in times of stress! I think your videos are great. Thank you
I didn’t notice that holding my breath and sighing had to do with my ASD and ADHD. I recall my ex often asked me why I was sighing and if anything was wrong. One time, I almost passed out and had to be taken to the gp because I held my breath for too long and forgot to breathe. 😅
I think I resonate with everything you mentioned in this video.
The restaurant scenario 😭 that's exactly how my mind goes in a new place. The anxiety is so OVERWHELMING and i never knew why. I'm 41 and recently dx ADHD and self dx autistic as of about 3 years ago. This video is so validating! Thank you 😭
I have mild face blindness and now that you have used it to help explain bottom up thinking it makes perfect sense. Thank you.
1:39 You made me realise I was unconsciously holding my breath as you said that!!! Very interesting point, I'm being evaluated for ADHD & autism in a few months (99% sure i at least have one or the other, if not both) and I do this a lot, had no idea they could be related
There was a woman in my past who frequently told me to breathe. I never knew what she was talking about. Now I do. Thank you.
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Thank you for sharing what you know about autism and for persevering in spite of your foot pain. I learn something new each time I watch; today - interroception (sp?). My daughter has ADHD and has mentioned this to me. She calls it “hunger of breath.” I am officially dx’d with ADHD for last twenty years and more recently self-dx’d with high-masking autism. I appreciate hearing your more detailed explanation of this phenomenon.
This channel has been a blessing during my recovery, giving me something positive to focus on while my mobility is so limited. I like hunger of breath to explain that aspect of interoception. I think some days I get headaches because I'm not getting enough oxygen. But I haven't paid close enough attention. Now I've noticed, I want to see if that hypothesis has any validity.
Bingo. "Hunger of breath" is spot on
Re: breathing…I’m recently diagnosed ASD too, but surprised - in some ways - how we never knew it before, because of like the one example with breathing! When I was a kid, if I got to crying hard, I’d accidentally hold my breath while crying and then pass out. Doctors kept telling my Dad that wasn’t possible because the brain won’t let that happen; it’ll always keep you breathing again. So my dad learned how to kinda surprise/change-thought on me quick when I was crying deeply, by flipping me upside down and then turning me right side up again, quickly. That seemed to work…of course - on a slight tangent - it’s a feeling (stemming thing) that I sensory seek anytime I’m feeling disregulated/emotional, now. I find a swing set, swing high, then hang up side down from the seat for a bit, until the blood settles there, then sit back up real quick and feel the blood rush to/from my head. It’s soothing. And im not sure if Dad accidentally “made” that a sensory-seek thing for me, subconsciously associating that with soothing from emotional-overwhelm, or if maybe that’s why it worked as a kid, because Dad accidentally discovered a soothing sensation for me?! But whichever came first, it’s cool yo see the history of it…also, because of interoception and breathing issues, I have to consciously keep an eye on my breathing while swimming, to make sure I don’t stay under water too long, since my body doesn’t always “feel” it!
Oh wow. That's interesting about the upside down swing thing. So cool you figured that out either way!
so sorry to hear you got comments about your breathing. I mean, what are people expecting from us.
I think some autistic people don't mask and with that don't filter even when it comes to comments. So the breathing caused sensory issues and they felt the need to comment. Just a guess. It could also just be someone purposefully trying to be mean. I actually never noticed it in videos until I got several comments on it. I have noticed in real life when I struggle to breath.
@@i.am.mindblind I notice it but can tolerate it. People should learn that. Doesn't always work for me to be honest. Some noises are simply to much 😅
Hi again, Amanda!
When you mentioned the breathing/microphone issue, I immediately thought of misophonia (which is an issue I often struggle with, especially with eating noises and repetitive noises, like someone clicking a pen). But I do the breath-holding thing a lot, especially when I am trying to process something stressful or just new. I was seeing a therapist last year who told me that I need to remember to breathe as soon as I’m aware that I’m holding my breath, and focus on it for a moment, and it does help me feel less stressed.
Another thing I thought of, when you said you don’t really connect with the terminology of “bottom-up” vs. “top-down” (which I admit, I’d never heard of before watching your last video on the topic). I am thinking of it this way: when you’re brand new at something (like a job, for me especially), and you feel like you’re starting at the bottom and working your way up, even if you have past background or whatever, you just don’t assume everything will be the same, and you take a while to get really familiar with how to do things, whereas I know plenty of people who come in to a new job and can act like their past experience can be applied to anything - kind of like being hired to run the company instead of starting as a clerk or whatever. I don’t know if that makes sense to you, but it does to me.
I also wanted to go back to the awareness of my own body. I find a LOT of times where I have sat in an uncomfortable position, or tolerated something uncomfortable and not done anything to address it, for so long until it becomes REALLY bad. I think that’s why I’ve always just assumed I had high pain tolerance, but now I think it’s more about just not paying attention to my own body signals when they are low-level. If you could reply with the correct spelling of the term you used, I’d really appreciate that.
Interoception I think is the word you wanted spelled. ❤️ And yes, I think the breathing noises trigger some people with misophonia
Eating noises drive me crazy.
I just discovered that the "forgetting to breathe" /hypoxia is an automatic self regulation system cause beside the hypermobile side of it, light hypoxia raises dopmanine, so we compensate like that 😅
A lot of times when I go to a new restaurant I will tell the staff that I’ve never been there before and ask how it works there. All restaurants are different.
I do that at restaurants that have something really unfamiliar like a teriyaki grill where they cook in front of you. Most allistic people though just wing it and don't need to do this because they can read the social cues and figure stuff out as they go. Again, broad strokes, each person will be unique in this.
Prayers for your full recovery 💞🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💞👊
Thank you, the fall was discouraging but it is what it is and I've just got to reset my expectations again. ❤️
Oh my goodness. The first thing that I noticed was how her talking was too "sighy". I'm glad there is a reason for it and I wasn't imagining it.
This video helped me realize why I'm struggling with more recently diagnosed asthma so much. Thanks.
Thanks for this. I was diagnosed as a child but my adoptive mom used it as an insult so I didn't embrace my Autism until I was diagnosed again in my 50's. It makes me so happy to happen upon a video like yours bc it makes me feel part of a real family. Everything you're saying rings clear and true--from the peeing thing to the breathing and everything else.
I personally feel like every moment is almost a brand-new moment, like I'm experiencing it for the first time. I'm horribly face-blind and you are spot-on with that.I need constant reassurance (from without but mostly within) that everything is OK. I mean like every 10 seconds. I have to get "proof" every day that my husband still loves me, especially if he leaves the room or house and comes back. It turns out that my beautiful birth mother is also Autistic and has dedicated her life to educating herself and teaching Autistic children.
Question: I've had a lifelong phobia of mirrors, particularly if they're in a dark room or unexpected. Is this common among Auties or is this just one of my personal peculiarities?
Also, congrats on taking showers even with a good excuse not to! I hope you feel better soon.
I haven't heard anything about mirrors being a common phobia, but Neurospicy brains struggle with a lot of different things.
Wow so me too!! Too many questions coming at me And too many choices! Im grateful for you being genuine 💓 its so helpful for you and others imho
I’ve been holding my breath my whole life. Now I know why! Thankyou ❤
It's so wild how often I have to remind myself to breathe
Wow I found out your channel by searching about autism and you’re the person I can relate the most to for now. You bring up lots of points that I don’t see others bringing. By example your exemple about breathing, I didn’t know this was actually a real thing, I just thought that it was some annoying quirk only I had. My earliest memories of that is me in like 4th grade trying really hard to get the automatic breath work again. For some reason I stopped breathing and couldn’t do it automatically anymore, I had to concentrate on it, but couldn’t make it look natural so I remember my teacher being weirded out asking me why I was breathing so loud. It still happens as you say when I’m concentrated but I can now get it work normally pretty fast.
There’s so much other points you bring up that I didn’t even know was not normal, and it makes me glad that all of these stuff I thought were random annoyances have actual reasons !
Thank you for this comment! ❤️ I know what you're talking about. I've done that with both breathing and swallowing. I sometimes get a panic sort of feeling and it's like I'm trying to swallow and breathe at the same time (not even food, just normal spit swallow.) and then I can't do either and I feel like I'm choking. It is horrid. I have to make myself relax which is HARD in a panic attack
Oh my goodness. I sigh all the time and don't always realise until someone points it out.
I remember people best with a audio sound snippet. I remember every sound musical piece or voice I have ever heard in great detail. I hear any voice with memories through internal dialouge. Like a radio. I always feel like I need to use the restroom too.Even if I haven't had anything much to drink. It is much worse with caffeinated beverages. I run to the nearest restroom.and I can not run well because of MS. The urgency is overwhelming. Its maddening. Road trips are the worst for me as well. Thank you. Shared.
I do this!! When ‘ thinking thought’ it’s like I’m speaking out loud so I am not breathing during speaking words. I have to focus completely on the thoughts and breathing takes a break
Oh wow, i had no idea about why i also will hold my breath! Im not sure yet if im autistic, but i am adhd(combined type, but mostly inattentive). Thanks for discussing this
Thank you for talking about face blindness. I have known since late elementary school that I struggle very much with that aspect of my AuDHD experience. I recently started telling the people in my life about it and how I have to memorize clothing or voices to truly recognize people. It's so wonderful to hear someone else share a similar description and experience of face blindness and how recognition is just different.
One major downside of it for me is the simple fact that it's exhausting. Especially in public places. There's just so much to take in anyways, that if anything unusual happens, I'll forget what my partner is wearing that day, for example, and therefore can't find him easily out in public if we get separated. Thankfully it's not a super common occurrence since I don't leave the house for much, but it's an extra layer of effort to get through day by day. My partner recently told me he thinks it's scary not to recognize people. His reasons are different. His recognition issue is related to a seizure disorder, so for his perspective I live in a perpetual state of facial confusion. That does sound like something straight outta Lovecraft or something. Haha.
There's truly only one face in one situation that's burned into my memory. That's trauma related, so there's some ability for me to remember faces. Most of the time I see a black nothing cloud where people's faces should be in my mind. I can usually recall hair, clothes, posture, and tattoos that people have with high detail, but the face is darkness. Nonexistent. I have to memorize photographs of my loved ones to try to give facial descriptions, but even then what exactly is the difference between a round nose, a hooked nose, and a pointy nose? I'm not equipped with the words and associations to describe people.
That's interesting, I've never heard anyone who doesn't also have aphantasia describe faceblindness to me. I know it happens but I wasn't sure how it works for people who can generally visualize. With aphantasia I don't see anything in my at all.
I've only just realized lately that i work best by knowing the big picture first. I say i need to go "outside in" or I'm stuck in like a processing mode.
I'm short of breath, and I've sighed a lot (since birth, I think) and people ask me what my problem is. I don't have one. But they get angry sometimes... The restaurant thing I can totally identify with. Even if it's a familiar restaurant, I check out everything that's changed since last one I've been there. I have to sit in a corner with my back to the wall.
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Thank you so much 😀
I love this video, thanks for explaining Allistic vs Autistic...
Thank you for talking about these things❤
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I’ve had a terrible time with at least partial face blindness. I can remember people I see all the time, but if I see them intermittently, like at church, or a client, etc., if they are in a different place than I know them from, I can’t remember who they are. I knew a woman from church who I had conversations with, her mother recently died and I was a shoulder to cry on, actually we cried together. She apparently worked at the pharmacy I go to, and for the life of me I had no idea who she was, but I knew I should. She was really hurt. I explained later and everything was fine, but it was very embarrassing. That’s just one example.
Yes, I relate to this so much. It is so embarrassing and hard to explain. I'm glad you worked it out
And videos like these help confirm for me that I am neurodivergent AF. I wish forgetting to breath was mentioned in symptoms.
Re: prosopagnosia…even before the official ASD diagnosis, I knew I struggled with face-blindness…I had a “best friend” that I saw almost every week, at least once a week. But one Sunday I ran into her at church and literally thought “wow, here’s a really confident and overly stranger” because she came up and was talking to me like we knew each other, but I honestly did not recognize her for SEVERAL minutes - I watch lips, and started realizing the lips were moving/saying certain things in a familiar pattern - all because she had cut her hair and I did not know she had done something that drastic so as to so change her profile/outline! (She went from your length/style of hair, to a spiked short boy-cut, that barely reach the ears!) 🤦♀️ It was SO embarrassing, and I don’t think I ever told her 🤷♀️ Of course, I was undiagnosed Autistic, and didn’t know just how vastly different my inability to recognize people or how badly - compared to neurotypical’s - my “face blindness” was, before then nor in comparison to (because just like everyone says they’re a little autistic, now, back then, everyone was always telling me everyone struggles with recognizing people sometimes!)
It's crazy how many times I've done something similar! It's alway so embarrassing although it really shouldn't be, it just is.
I can't do the cafeteria style restaurant. It just too much going on there, and it reminds me of school, which I didn't have a good journey.
That makes a lot of sense
I struggle with interoception with food, using the bathroom and breathing too. I also notice it with swallowing… like, if I’m drinking something especially, I’ll have to consciously remind myself to swallow sometimes lmao.
I do that too with swallowing.
I never knew why I randomly hold my breath. I also don’t think about eating but if the thought of food gets in my head I can’t stop it unless I get food. The longer I wait the more I over order because I can’t decide which thing I wanted.
I relate to that. I don't get cravings often, but when my brain hooks on an idea of a food I am very focused on it, but it feels different than when I get an actual craving. Hard to describe...
I dont have a realistic path to autism DX but I did get ADHD DX'd online. The face-blindness thing was my #1 'difference' that people always notice(d) about me. I used to LITERALLY just think I was DUMB! Like an actual idiot b/c I wouldn't recognize people or I would say "this actor looks like this other person!" and people often said "uhh no they don't?" then my wife helped me realize I'm just commenting on their hair, usually, or perhaps just their eyes or nose or mouth. To me, people are just, like, floating collections of shapes and I see those shapes on basically everyone so no one person "owns" any particular set of shapes in my head.
Now that the internet has talked about it, I realized I STRONGLY have this "bottom up" thinking situation and it's been totally revolutionary for thinking of myself as a fairly 'normal', IE within the expected range of human experience, person, rather than a particularly stupid person or something. It's really helped, I know for a FACT I developed odd complexes and behaviors trying to compensate for these feelings of inferiority over the years, but the more I hear other autistic, esp AuDHD people and relate, the less "other" I feel and it's been extremely healing.
Great video!
It is so validating to understand our brains better. ❤️
Wow you are really sharing things I’ve done/do and so relate. Thank you for making me feel
“normal” 🤪 autitstic 💞👊🙏🏻
I hope you get better soon
Thank you for feedback, I'm glad leaving out music works for you. Sometimes I feel like I'm editing videos "wrong" but I'm learning I'm editing them for a neurodivergent audience, not a neurotypical one! 😊
Think I relate to this breathing thing … 💞👊
😅 omg yes to all you said about the Restaurants, also you need to check the paper one again cause you never know!!!what if they had not updated the online one or they have extra items?? My ex used to take fun of me cause he said that I would mentally taste all food before ordering to decide which one my Brain might accept.😅
That's so funny about your brain tasting the food. With my total aphantasia I can't taste or see the food in my mind before hand. I'm always surprised, "oh, that's what the restaurant meant by those words." 😂
I have the same experience, I often catch myself that I have just stopped breathing for a while. Always thought there's something wrong with me. I did not know that I am autistic, and I am not diagnosed, but at the moment I am doing research on the topic and I see myself when I listen to autistic people speak out about their experiences and I think now that I am really autistic. I have that thing with the peeing also. Very often before going to bed I would go to pee just in case 😂 And sometimes I have the urge to go again after 20-30 min or so and because I'm in bed and don't want to get up, to be sure that I really want to go, I apply a little pressure with my hand where my bladder is 😅 That way I can feel if the bladder is full, or if it's just in my mind. Thank you for sharing these personal details, now I know I'm not the only one with such experiences ❤
My husband thought I was silly to not know how to breathe.
It does sound weird, but check the comments, it's super common in us autistic/adhd folks!
@@i.am.mindblind my son has the same issue!
I would also want to add that not breathing makes me focus more on my thoughts or whatever I was doing because breathing can sometimes feel distracting. Like it’s too loud or something.
The more I watch your videos the more I realize I need to be assessed for autism. I thought everybody did these things.
Yep, check out my video on how I made it to 42 without getting diagnosed. Take your time and see if an official diagnosis is a good fit for you. In the community self realized autism is accepted because official diagnoses aren't always accessible or affordable. It has been life changing for me in the best ways, even though it's also been extremely emotional.
Re: your mom and pizza not being pizza if it’s not certain type…so I went to restaurant and ordered chili, and was genuinely confused because what I got was not chili (in my mind). I learned that day that what I ordered was indeed chili, but to me, a bowl of chili was always half a bowl of rice in the bottom! Apparently it’s more a German thing to always have chili on rice or mashed potatoes or something, but I didn’t know that part wasn’t also part of the chili! Now I know; and I always make/order it WITH something for it to be ON 🤷♀️🤣
That's a funny story! But I can totally see it happening. 😂❤️
Are you seriously telling me that when non-autistic people go to a new restaurant they aren't thinking about all these things? They aren't asking all those questions? And the scariest part is not knowing what's on the menu. If I'm going to a new restaurant I have to make sure they'll have something I can eat. I've been to places where I'm worried about the menu and the people I'm with tell me "It's a restaurant. They have food. You'll find something you like." in a kinda condescending way and then boom the menu is awful and I dont order anything. There's been times I refused to order anything because it all sounded bad and I dont want to waste money on food I'm not going to eat.
Yep, it's very common for Allistic (Non-Autistic) people to just be in the "wing it" mindset. They don't need to process the restaurant or new environment because they rely on social cues to navigate a new space.
I relate to this all.
The need to pee thing. It’s the first time anyone has referred to this as an autistic brain thing, but yes I have that too. Well I used to until I went on SNRI medication: now I don’t think about it until it almost too late mostly (TMI?). Actually I was thinking yesterday that maybe it’s a way of the brain ensuring some time alone to help regulate the nervous system (well unless the toddler or the dog won’t leave you alone).
The bottom up thinking yes that’s me. A colleague commented on this last year before I knew I was autistic.
I am also faceblind when I meet new people even though I am a highly visual person. The bottom up thinking explanation makes perfect sense here. There was a time when we had 2 new women start at work around the same time. They both had similar voices and hairstyles etc and I was really anxious about mistaking one for the other. It took me a few weeks to visually comprehend who was who and I had to make mental notes about how to remember. Now, years later I know one of them quite well and would recognise her anywhere, but yes it takes time to formulate recognition of a new person.
Oh yes that happens to me when I meet more than one person at the same time who even remotely looks the same. I had a friend who had quadruplets (I have twins and we were in a Moms of Multiples group) Anyway when I met her four girls, who were all fraternal and don't look alike) at the same time I could never get their names straight!
Boxing is one thing that burned my brain into never forgetting to breathe. Youll have no power or speed holding your breath and youll run out of breath quicker
I did yoga for many years and even with many breathing cues I'd still hold my breath during practice!
@@i.am.mindblind wow thats almost a paradox when it comes to meditation because youre supposed to clear your mind of all thoughts yet if you have to think about breathing then you arent fully cleared of all thoughts. I see how that could be a problem 😥
I do have aphantasia, but not prosopagnosia. I recognize people very easily, but cannot visualize what their face looks like if I’m not looking at them.
Whereas, my ADHD partner does have some level of prosopagnosia, but no aphantasia. Brain variety is so interesting!
Oh interesting! I was wondering. Because like with aphantasia I don't see any imagery at all but for prosopagnosia it's less clear to me because I feel like eventually I recognize people but I struggle and I'm never sure, like it's hard for me to feel confident 100%. It would be a funny experiment if I was like out at a busy place, let's say a Costco and I wasn't expecting my husband to be there. And he came into the store would I recognize him right away? I'm not 100% sure. I know I would be like that guy looks familiar and then be able to place him but I don't think it'd be instant recognition.
Woah ya my last job I was able to memorize my coworkers names really fast but returning customers I would just say how are you doing good to see you again! Because I'm bad with names! I thought staring at someone's forehead instead of making eye contact was normal!
Everybody stayed at the same spot and usually wore the same uniform and were very unique looking!
I thought this background was still really cute and cozy
We went to a restaurant for my nt daughter's birthday and my son with autism/adhd just sat there as if in a trans. It was a pizza place and I kept offering to put a piece on his plate. I don't even think ever even blinked the entire time we were there. We usually never go out to a sit down restaurant to eat. We boxed his up brought it home and he ate it all up no problem and never said a word about it.
Fast forward to my daughter's next birthday and I said it's almost Brit's birthday again. He immediately said let's not go to the same restaurant as last time. It was tricky. I always have wondered what goes on in his brain during "tricky" times. BTW we got to fast food place and bring it to the park or home in his birthdays.
It's hard to say. Our brains can get stuck easily I feel. It could have been a loud noise, a smell, the food not being what he was expecting. My autistic kids will often have shutdowns like this but afterwards they can usually explain at least some of what was going on. Some autistic people, especially if he's got alexithymia, may have a much more difficult time processing why he reacted a way he did. My kids also don't like going out to eat and much prefer eating at home.
Thank you for this. 🙏🏾🇺🇸❤️
What if someone uses both type of thinking?
Could be a couple of things. It could be masking. You are a bottom up thinker and you've learned to mask top down. Or you are a top down thinker and you've been taught to look at the bigger picture before diving into a problem. Or it could be something else completely, I'm not a expert, but those are my two first thoughts. My guess is you lean towards one more than the other. Or you lean towards one in stressful situations.
Another possibility is you are autistic/adhd and your adhd tendiences may conflict with your Autistic ones. For instance my Autism wants thorough and complete answers, but sometimes ADHD gets impatient and just picks quickly.
My mom and I do this all the time! We’re both autistic! Always wondered why. I asked my doctor and they said everybody does that…🤨 I hate the feeling that the person in charge of my health has no idea what autism really is.
So many doctors are uneducated on Autism. This reel I made explains why "everyone" does that but it's different than Autism.
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It does sound like you're holding your breath, saying a lot on one breath and then have to finally release. I thought that was due to feeling a little anxious about talking in front of a camera! I definitely did something similar when I had to do a presentation in front of the class at school. Breathing isn't so automatic when you're talking to a group of people and you don't want to seem incompetent or like you're wasting their time with taking pauses for breathing. Suddenly there's no time for that and you have to take conscious control of when you breathe, how much etc. But I'm pretty sure there are classes on that related to acting and singing, so it's not something that comes super naturally and I bet a lot of people, autistic or not, would experience something like this in a situation where they're supposed to talk a lot. In a "presentation" way, not just having a casual conversation.
I'm not sure if I have this thing with faces, but I definitely have an idea of why eye contact is a problem for me. I don't usually mind it with people I know well. Although it's generally something I don't do while I'm talking. When I listen to someone, I may look at their face, but if it's me talking, I usually don't. And that, and the general reluctance, is due to not feeling comfortable when being perceived. Eye contact means you see the other person seeing you, and see how they're reacting, too. It's very stressful!
As for the top down versus bottom up thinking in making choices, I don't know if it's because I'm "guilty" of making spreadsheets for many things or if it's just the examples and descriptions you give, but it sounds like bottom up is just better and more rational! If you're making a big decision, OF COURSE it's a good idea to factor in all possibilities and analyse, rather than trust preconceptions that might be wrong! You know: just in case!
I do the breathing thing all day, not just when I'm filming. If I'm dysregulated it's worse. I'm actually very comfortable in front of the camera, I don't even think about it anymore. My mannerisms that "look nervous" to a neurotypical person, are just my autistic traits. /positive /genuine
What?!?! I didn’t know other people breathe like me!!! Cool! Lol
Your dog is a cutie 💓
IDK if this is just a normal thing or not, but I've always had problems when I have to read out loud, that I'll run out of breath and start getting breathless. For some reason I can't breath and read out loud at the same time.
I’m really having a thought time after I went through hand surgery (I commented you the same on other video) and it was right after my surgery that I start figuring that I could be in the spectrum (waiting to get my appointment to get tested) and since then I’m struggling with my mood. I already started my peri-menopause (I’m 43) and I am with hormonal support therapy to reduce the awful hot flashes I had.
I wonder if have you come across with any info about ASD & Menopause? There must be some correlation that affects us more than regular women.
I’m going to do my own research (off course) but I wanted to mention it to you and know your thoughts
I haven't really looked into this subject much but since I'm 43 it should be on my radar! Hope your hand recovery gets better.
That need to pee all the time! Yes I totally relate! Thats why I avoid long journeys where I can’t go out..
Eye contact. I avoid it for many reasons. Sometimes I feel intimidated. Sometimes I don't like feeling like I'm being lied to. Mostly because it just makes me uncomfortable.
Glad you are recovering nicely.
Sometimes eye contact feels aggressive to me. I can not stand when people lie either. I won't look at them & I find lying to me to be very insulting. I go out of my way to be very honest with all others. I guess I expect the same. That's certainly not grounded in reality. Just hopefulness.I just can not look at them when I detect deceptive manipulative speech patterns.
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Sometimes you just need a "me" day. I had one yesterday. It the difference between dealing with burnout more immediately or having much longer recovery period.
@@DavidBowman-mq1bm You know, I go around RUclips telling people about Zhuangzi. I suppose you're correct. I do get all caught up in the web of life sometimes. I should take my own advice. Thanks for the reminder, friend. 💛
I hope your Dr told you that you can still exercise your leg without putting weight on your foot... Atrophy is a pain to build back.
I think with faces if I'm friends with someone I can look at the whole face bc I'm used to their face but with strangers I will have a tendency to glance at parts of a person's face and kind of go around it clockwise quickly, like I'm reading the parts to add up a whole, and do this quickly. I know I'm not seeing a person's face all at once unless I'm a decent distance away, because I've always had a slight delay compared to my peers on following conversations and people's emotional reactions if they aren't close friends already. But I do think my circular-ish face reading hack prevents me from fixating on single parts only.
The weird part comes when you realize that Allistic people don't think about this at all. No need for hacks, it literally never crosses their mind. That was a ah-Ha moment for me. 🤔😲😁
You need a noise gate set on your microphone. It will minimize the mouth noise if that's what you're talking about. It cuts the breathing noise a bit or slightly mutes the sighs
I've gotten a new mic since this video
You Hooked me on that thumbnail with Those Eyes girl, gotta get you some commercials, noxema girl
So does "bottom-up" thinking mean we can't see the forest for the trees? If so, I've always had that problem! (I'm still trying to figure out what those terms actually mean re: autism.)
Also, apparently, my breathing is very uneven as well, now that you called my attention to it, I can't stop noticing that I hold my breath, like when I'm in the middle of trying to type a sentence right now, lol. Before I realized I'm AUTISTICafter 58 years of being mis-/un-diagnosed (because before 2013, you couldn't have BOTH ADHD & autism, and only boys were autistic), I used to get taken to the ER for "panic attacks" (that never quite fit the DSM criteria in my mind, but I was diagnosed with "panic disorder," so that's what I assumed they were, back when I believed we could actually TRUST medical practitioners, whereas, if you COULD, there wouldn't be FIVE editions of the DSM that's already in SERIOUS need of updating, especially when it comes to diagnosing ALL emotional dysregulation--and TREATING it as--toxic Borderline Personality Disorder, which precludes any rapport or trust between client & therapist and, after getting the same WRONG diagnosis over and over that kept making my PTSD so bad that I was having NIGHTMARES about being stalked by therapists giving me impossible homework assignments designed to elicit wrong answers and then telling me how WRONG I was when I'd gone there seeking help for Complex Trauma from a lifetime of GASLIGHTING, is what made me quit therapy entirely, & NOTHING will ever make me go back!), and I remember having nurses telling me to "BREATHE" and being like, "What are you talking about?! I AM breathing! If I weren't, I'd be DEAD!"🤦♀
Bottom up thinking usually means we take in all the details before stepping back to see the whole picture and how they fit together.
That's crazy about your "panic disorder" I wish doctors would have started studying autism more thoroughly years ago.
Omg I used to have that pee thing all the fucking time I couldn't sleep more than a few hours at a time because of it and now.... I will hurt as I pee because I will hold it to finish a task and then it'll go away sensationally until I'm in so much pain I run to go.. also when I was a kid and realized I was breathing and it became a nightmare for a long while because I thought I had to remember it and I was in an abusive religious household that was too shaming and fear inducing to ask anything in so I just spent a good part of being a kid freaking out that I'd die if I didn't keep remembering to breathe but I would forget if I didn't focus. Ok I'm done now and thank you
14:07 wow this is totally me, i only noticed it one day when i caught my self making eye contact with someones teeth while they talked and i instantly felt bad cause their teeth just happened to be in bad shape and mine are too so i didnt want them to think that me of all people was casting judgement 😂
You go to restaurants? Wow!😮
Is this sarcasm? /genuine
@@i.am.mindblind No sarcasm, my dear! I congratulate you! I can’’t. It freaks me out too much! I wish I could. I can’t go inside. Too crowded!😳
Oh okay, sorry, I really struggle to tell if something is sarcastic or not. Restaurants can be very overwhelming for me, I really like quiet ones. I've noticed a lot of "American" restaurants like Red Robin, Chili's, or other similar ones are so incredibly loud. I much prefer Asian restaurants, usually much quieter environment. Or small independent restaurants. But often eating at home is just best!
@@i.am.mindblind I’m right there with you on that! Loud ones are a no for me too! I prefer staying home. I feel more relaxed in my own environment.😊
Again i thought those brain blanks mid sentence was from extensive weed smoking from an early age but i believe i just didnt think before i spoke at an early age so my autism didnt have much power to effect my speech but now that i think before i speak (as im speaking sometimes) i certiantly forget mid sentence, good people around me will just put me back on track then others i ask wait wherr was i and they dont even know 😂
Restaurant details! Also, will the sun be in my face? is there a shade? Will the sun go down as I am sitting in the seat? LOL
This was very interesting, ill have to go and watch part one. Just one comment, there must be physical therapy you can do without putting weight on your foot, at least to keep the rest of your body strong so you dont fall.
I'm going to start physical therapy soon I hope!
@@i.am.mindblind Thats good. I hope it goes well! You mentioned you liked yoga, I do too, maybe chair yoga would be good. Also I am 42, Swedish, diagnosed with Aspergers/autism and ADHD at 30. So it was late, but I have had 12 years to work on it. I still have lots of work to do.
I watched a view of you´re video´s and there is something that sparked a question. I hope you don´t see it as a offending thing cause it is not meant that way.
Hope my formulation is ok enough to understand cause in dutch it makes perfect sense for me but in english i´m not sure.
You kinda often explain things oh this is my autism or oh this is probably because of adhd etc.
I kinda wonder do you also recognize things as just human behavior or is everything so new in diagnosis that everything has to be put under one of those labels?
I can understand part of it is showing viewers this is how adhd or ass looks like for me and this is a irl moment you can see and share, but somehow it makes me wonder if you also have moments of ok this is just me as a human being and not the label.
Or course, all Autistic traits are human traits to some degree. The difference is the extent and frequency at which autistic or adhd people experience these things. Also, if you feel like everything I say is relatable and "normal" you might be Neurodivergent yourself. I was late diagnosed because I thought everyone experienced life the way I do. Because again, these are human traits. But other people don't experience them in a way that is debilitating. Exploring my diagnosis has been the absolute best for my mental health. It has connected me with a community of people who understand. It has given me access to accomodations (earplugs, no guilt or shame for needing recovery time, saying no when something is too much, ect.)
Your intro image still says Amanda. Just saying so you are aware
What do you mean? I am Amanda.
@@i.am.mindblind you said Samantha in the intro, I relistened 3x to be sure 😂. I thought you chose to go for an alias, so wanted to be covert and cryptic with my comment.
Ah... I'm Amanda. Sometimes the Auto Captions hear me say Samantha. I wonder if I can edit them. Thanks! It blends "my name's Amanda" into "Name Samantha." I need to slow down between Name's and Amanda.
Ahy am I seeing everyone saying that things I thought were normal is now add or autism! Everything ur saying is like owh there are other people who have to do this. What happens if there are lots of undiagnosed nurodiverse people and it is actually the norm ? This world can be scary because we all different yet we like to give labels and boxes and the label doesn't even describe what's put in that box!
Everyone seems to be getting diagnosed I'm still hear probably hypermasking
I think it's a lot more common that we realized but I do think neurotypical brains are still a majority.
Automatic thumbs up bc neurodivergent + has pug
Omfg.. Yes. My brain also tells me I always need to pee.
I have to do two trips every night bc if I don't I won't sleep.
Like. Dear bladder...
It is so so annoying! 🙄
neurotypical people have conditioned to make themselves fit the mould. out of fear of being outcast for being their natural beautiful self. it's a good thing that so many people are moving towards being their authentic self now. w looks like many are moving towards authentic self knowledge
Youre taking breaths because youre talking on in the video.
Really Amazing my explosive mind is so strong to details that when I read I can re-word it my way & I can literally use term “net effect” to reconstruct anything 🏳️⚧️