Silverado EV: Yep, those are headlights. Fog lights too. Cool. Rivian: Awww, what a cute little face it has! Cybertruk: This thing has headlights? Where? F-150 Lightning: Hahahaha it has a fu-manchu!
I would like to see a “Boat Launch” test. Ease of use, handling, stopping (since most boat trailers use surge brakes) and even X factors like how good is the design to help you self launch a boat. Use a couple of different boats… a jet ski vs a large bow rider with a multiple axel trailer. I love the Rivian, but one pedal driving is NOT a good thing when backing down a boat ramp in my opinion.
Factors for the test: Visibility when pulling (mirrors and cameras) Ease of backing down the ramp - single jet skis are a challenge in any pickup Ease of controlling a large boat / trailer down the ramp Slippage when recovering a boat… that first move up the ramp when the boat is first floated on Handling with big trailer/boat (same course, obstacles across all test trucks, same trailer/boat combo)
Dunno about in the Rivian but in my Ioniq 6 the one-pedal (iPedal) can be turned off - it does not even stay in operation after you switch off, but will default to Level 3 regen. I can set regen to zero if I wish.
@@petesig93 the closest you can get (in a Rivian) to disabling regen is the Snow drive mode. In general, I like one pedal driving. But, there are just a few exceptions where the “old way” might be safer. Backing a 7000 pound boat trailer down a boat ramp into salt water in a 7000 pound electric truck, tapping the accelerator to make it go feels all wrong. Your foot should be firmly planted on the brake (in this one case). In Rivian’s defense, this could be in a future software update one day… Boat Launch mode… only works in reverse at low speeds, initiated by pressing the brake and activating the mode in reverse, simulates an “idle” speed in reverse so you can ease up off the brake to make it go. No need to shift your foot from brake to accelerator back and forth.
And a mid weight trailer, not the max, but a recreational trailer in the mid-3000 weight. I pull a pop-up with my Ioniq 5. I take a 50% hit in range, but that's starting with a relatively efficient car without a trailer.
Agree, it would be interesting to see the isolated impact of weight. Towing a low profile flatbed trailer once each with 3-4,000 lbs then again with the same trailer with 8-10,000 lbs. both with the same frontal profile
@@michaelsmithers4900 I have a 2023 F-150 Lighting Lariat, extended range. I had 700 lbs in the truck bed, and a 5 x 10 enclosed "V" shaped trailer (1,200 lbs empty) towed behind it, but I was carrying about 1,500 lbs of lumber and building material inside. I lost 44% of range, which included driving an average of 110 km/h, a/c on, with about 600 lbs (2 people, 2 large dogs) inside the cab. I was driving from Calgary, Alberta Canada to Revelstoke BC, in a very mountainous region. Planned out my trip, and it worked very well. Lots of power to pass, comfortable and the cabin is very quiet, even with the road noise. On another note, I had driven the truck between Calgary AB and Edmonton AB in -39C (-38.2F) and -60C (-76F) with the windchill. While the battery lost 53% efficiency do to the cold, and my range dropped over 60%, it worked fine charging at a mid-way-point.
Often range is thought to be static but it’s actually extremely variable due to multiple factors. One considerable factor is wind resistance at high speeds. To that end people should understand that if they are concerned about range (being less than distance to destination) they can easily extend their range by slowing down. That goes double for towing a bulky trailer.
As so many trucks used as family vehicles, would love to see how easy it is for kids to get in/out and same for grandparents. Also, how easy to mount traditional accessories using cross bars on cab / bed.
2nd the family vehicle comparison. We have a Lightning as our family car and it is amazing. Stroller and rumble seat fit in the frunk and plenty of cargo room.
Would be really interesting to see a subtest of Chevy and Tesla 4 wheel steering, since they are the only two to have this feature so far. See which is better at that particular feature.
Would like to see thermals of the trucks pushed, so hot ambient temps, max towing for 500+ miles requiring multiple charging stops to see who’s thermal management in repeated charging with heavy loads for 8+ hours of work can hold up.
How many sheets of 4X8 foot 1/2 inch plywood can the trucks hold? We always bought 8 foot beds for hauling. Thanks for you and your team and all the hard work. We appreciate y’all. You Matter!
The more I see the Silverado EV, the more I like it. I am really looking forward to getting in one; I really am excited about the 3WT because of it's payload numbers. I will say that the F-150 Lightning is hands down the best Ford that I have ever driven. I am really looking forward to the release of that cross-country race.
Can you please do a test comparing visibility in all of the trucks? Specifically, front visibility of something child sized? The safety of large trucks is starting to become a talking point, so I’d be interested in seeing how much more dangerous the Cybertruck is for pedestrians, since headlines love to say it’s a menace.
I was thinking about requesting something similar. To me, it looks like the Cybertruck has the lowest front edge. But the ride height setting is obviously a factor here.
I want to see a towing challenge. One set at 70 MPH, one at 55 MPH; with both an “aerodynamic mid-weight” trailer (a Safari Alto Condo for example) and a “heaviest weight all allow, boxy not aerodynamic” trailer. (A flat-front box at 10,000 lbs.) A “towing 10%” test would be a nice addition, too. Maybe 30 minutes charging, or just “charge until the rate drops below 1C”?
Agreed on slower speed and mid weight trailer. The obsession that many have with max towing at 75mph is ridiculous. They're evs, we know they'll do bad at that. Why not test them with reasonable loads 4-7k lbs at 55-65mph so a customer can see how it performs when you are actually trying to live with it while accepting the occasional towing performance compromise.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I love Bjørn and probably spend 10-20 hours every week on his videoes. But even he is a Ninja, he is not able to do what Out of Spec does when they collect serveral people doing tests together.
I would like to see which is easier to use as a power backup/generator. Saw some videos about lightning and how frustrating it is to use in that sense.
The Home Integration System aside (they’re kinda rare, and I didn’t want to spend $4k on one excluding installation/upgrades), a simple procedure: (1) if you have a manual transfer switch, flip it, (2) take your 240A/30A generator cable and plug it into the house and the bed outlet, (3) turn on the bed outlet power. And that’s it. Other than the vague frustration of certain car systems needing to be more “on” than you’d want in a camping/generator mode, it’s literally 3 super simple steps, and easier than a gas powered portable generator.
Can we get a comparison of front and rear visibility both with and without cameras. Like sit in a normal driver's position and mark on the road where you can see.
I would like to see a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed of each truck: laying flay, tilted, with bed extender, or tailgate down and strapped in - whatever works well for each truck. How would you actually move a sheet of plywood in this on the highway?
I was a little disappointed that "one more thing" at the Rivian R2 release was not a hat Rivian R2T...We need a mid to small-size EV Truck that is affordable. In the meantime, I'm just going to save for a big truck😁
Can't wait for the off road tests. I own two Lightnings and we use them for work at remote cell tower sites here in CA. They are very capable for what we do. They see lots of off road use in and around the CA desert out here. The Silverado EV looks great with it's larger battery but I'd like to see more off road tests to see how the weight of the Silverado affects off road capability. Might be more prone to flat tires over the sharp rocks we have out here. Great videos can't wait!
I wouldn't mind seeing small space maneuverability. As in tight job site parking/loading/back door contractor access. Maybe see some reverse trailering capability/site lines/wheel lock to wheel lock/ boat launch type of stuff.
Can't wait! Payload total capability in terms of weight and volume would be useful for real world usability. Remember foldable rear seats and upper usable space in the Vault, & under-bed space for the Cybertruck, when tonneau covers are closed.
Test maneuverability in parking lots, parallel parking, home and public garages as well as small roads. See which one can handle everyday use the best.
I would love to see a Home Depot run comparison. Mulch, rocks, tools, paint, etc. Which one carries the most is most important I would think, but maybe efficiency for people who live in the sticks. Thanks guys!
😂 Most of these trucks will only do a home depot trip once per year. Most people overestimate the reasons why they must have a truck! Just say they look cool.
Would love to see a “Best family vehicle” comparison. We have the Lightning and it is amazing as a family car. Huge frunk for the stroller and so much cargo room.
I want to see the RAM REV if they could get press vehicles out. That is the truck I am interested in to go full EV. I know that isn't in your control. I will still be watching how all the others do.
@@steinwaymodelb it is further than prototype. 😆 Just not "ready". They do have them at some dealers so some channels can "show" them but not drive them. I'm not in a hurry. My truck is just fine. Hopefully it will be worth the wait.
My cattle trailer is gooseneck. How do you put a gooseneck hitch in the bed of any of these "work" trucks? Also, I'd like to see a 4x8 sheet of plywood or an 8 foot 2x4 loaded in any of these trucks
As millions of people have done in the last 100 years with a short bed, for anyone who has actually done any carpentry, remodeling, or fence and deck building, the tailgate is kept in the raised position most of the time and the 2x4x8s or 4x4x8s or longer are loaded up and rested on the top of the tailgate. Then strap them in and off you go. Or, the same can be done with plywood and sheetrock with the tailgate up or down. Carry some tie-downs and secure the load. The tailgate doesn't need to be up to carry large loads. Most people aren't driving cross country all day long with loads of building material in a light duty pickup bed. Large quantities of wood to build a house are delivered by large heavy rigs towing a flatbed trailer and the material is offloaded with a forklift. People with an ultra heavy gooseneck trailer usually purchase heavy duty diesel or gas trucks costing $80,000 to $120,000 brand new. They don't use light pickups for that, most of the time.
@@dvader3263 No carpenter I know drives a 6 foot bed..What you are suggesting is stupid. They don't put up the gate and lay the wood on top of it.. You can't haul 40 2x4s or studs that way. . If you do that with sheetrock, you'll break it... I'll bet you work at some tech company in CA don't you, because you have no idea what you are talking about.. I drive a Ram 3500 and pull a 16 foot gooseneck trailer, with a ball in the bed that I installed. . You soyboys are the ones saying that these are work trucks.. Well are they or aren't they? These are not work trucks.. these are rich nerd trucks
@@larryspiller15 But the problem in these is the length. If they want workmen to adopt any EV truck, they need to make a standard bed with standard sides so that a truck box, a rack or a diesel tank can be installed. That's what workmen need.
@@dvader3263 I don't know a carpenter with a 6 foot bed. You have no idea what you are talking about. I drive a 2012 Ram 3500 and pull a a 16 foot gooseneck. I live in cattle country. Most trucks around here have the bed pulled off and and a haybed in it's place . How are you going to do that with these? These EVs are not work trucks. You city boys want to drive them fine, but they aren't for workmen
I would like to see a interior sound test with and without a trailer and at various speeds. One tow test I saw with the CT had a terrible interior volume. A tow test with a set charging time/kwh with remaining range at end of loop, with large cargo/pop up/dump trailer. A handling test with 1500lb payload. An efficiency test with the same tires at 60mph/75mph. Your rack should come off for the efficiency test. An approach and departure angle off road test in standard height as a baseline. That cyber diaper is a real sad design. A visibility and reversing test front/back/side with and without trailers. A parking test. As someone mentioned a headlight test. Efficiency with 2 dirt bikes in the back No need for the 100-0, 100-10% is much more practical.
A bed topper is always my first accessory. Would love to see a comparison of options. I suspect only the Ford has a good selection of third-party toppers.
Hey Kyle, I would love to see real world impressions of the experience when the truck is packed with people. And maybe a dog too😊 Anyone who does family road trips knows why this is important
I'd be curious to see payload tests - I feel like these often get skipped. Throw near-max weight (consistent for all trucks) in the truck and see how it does on a range test as compared to the others!
One test I would like to see is doing all trucks at the same time towing on highway, up hill, & down hill recording each person perspective I have seen FLT do it with ICE motor and Ford/Chevy but I would like to see what people opinion on their own experience and make it a test of 100 mile loop or course. Have a blind drawing on who drives which truck with same trailer/load if possible.
Would love to see a payload range test. Put 1500 lbs of feed or concrete bags or something similar in the bed and drive like normal on the highway. Does it level itself out, do the driving dynamics feel different vs unladen. 70 or 75 mph. When driving at highway speeds cabin sound from wind and road noise. Also ease of hooking up a utility trailer. Also, since loading up with payload in the bed is a common use case, how easy is it to get in and out of the bed, strap things down, etc. How comfortable are the rear seats for long trips. Do they recline, have plenty of head room m, adequate ac,usable cup holder, phone charging, etc. For off-road, light off-road scenarios. Gravel roads. Two track dirt roads with mud, switching off-road functions on the fly while moving. I’m thinking going on a hunting trip in remote location or ranch work and need to see what that would be like with each.
Would like to see camper towing/camping comparison. Not just the towing range, but also can the onboard power be used while charging. Run the A/C and Microwave in the camper while charging. Can you plug the truck into the campsite 14-50 with EVSE and then use the onboard power to power the camper. So you can charge the truck while powering the camper off an EVSE at the camping site on a single 50 amp plug or even a 30 amp plug
Load up all the trucks inside, 3 cars seats, use up all the storage in the frunk and interior. Next, load up tall furniture on all of them. If you do the performance testing, make sure you launch the Lightning the correct way. Could you also compare cost to charge?
Three totally different things i want to see you test: 1. Camping and camp-mode uses. All have some sort of power outlets, and/or camp mode, etc. SOC drop overnight, etc. 2. App comparisons. Interior pre-conditioning capability, time to unlock doors from phone lock screen, what information is available, etc. 3. I would like to see what the current service lead time is on each truck for your local dealers. Try to schedule a somewhat simple service, and show what the first available appointment is for each brand. (You can do this even on the mfg loaners by using generic vehicle info).
Camp mode. Drive in theater consideration. Blackout consideration. (Aka inverter only.. idle consumption) Friendliest off grid experience.eg no Internet because apocalypse
My dream list (I know some of these are already planned) -70mph range test -DCFC test -10% challenge -Towing range test -Payload range test -Highway/city combined driving loop efficiency -Acceleration testing (unloaded, loaded, towing) -Mild off-road or 4wd test (low traction wheel/motor control calibration testing) -Level 2 charging test (overnight time frame)
Could you please talk about customer service. And ease of service in general and what that would look like especially for the Tesla and the Rivian. Thank you for your informative channel.
Is it possible to see, each truck, how much room the passenger front seat has with a baby car seat (rear facing) installed? Our Tesla MYP front seat gets very cramped with a baby seat installed.
"The dual-motor Tesla Cybertruck Foundation Series achieved an Edmunds-certified result of 334 miles, or 6 miles short of Tesla's 340-mile estimate that's publicly available at the time of publishing. However, that's a 16-mile improvement over the original 318-mile estimate Tesla gave for the Cybertruck Foundation Series on all-terrain tires - a number that is no longer displayed on the company's website." ~Edmunds .. And Car and Driver got 250 miles range with all terrains at 75 mph.
I like seeing the daily life situations that do not require calculations: Which dirty body areas are missed after driving though automatic car washes, parking maneuvers in tight parking garages, door swing clearance in tight parking spaces (for ingress/egress), how well does the bed drain after rinsing out loose sand/bark mulch, spare tire removal.
Infotainment/route planning comparisons. Handling on ice and snow. Parking/maneuvering. Pet comfort. Towing (box trailer/boat). Off roading (mud/deep water). Party tricks comparison. Race to Vegas!!!!
Super important Silverado question: I kept hearing 350 miles and 450 miles on Silverado over the last year…. But at the Chicago auto show their plaque says 400 miles. Have they lowered their range or is the range totally different on the consumer version? Thanks
Test charging at home! Yeah having at 214kw battery is great for long road trips, but you won't be charging that to 100% in 8 hours at home.... Ford with the big battery pack and 80 amp charger is about 8-10 hours.
I'm not convinced any of the ev trucks will really differ that much in payload or towing for the use cases most buyers will find themselves in. All perfectly powerful and responsive for somewhere between 80 and 200 miles of range. Generally bad after that. Fine. I'd like to rule those categories out and see which performs best as an every day vehicle. Never using the entire range in a single day. Never fast charging. The technology isn't there yet for that sort of thing and trucks. I'm thinking: comfort, speed, ease of access to every day functions, large vehicles for large individuals who occasionally need to move things or do light offroading. Ya know... How most families use trucks.
Don't forget about families! Sooooo many people use their trucks as family vehicles in addition to all of the stuff you covered. Especially with 4 doors, try out car seats in there, of all types, rear facing, forward facing, booster seats.... see how kids with cargo will fit.... while towing that heavy boat or camper on the family vacation. Cheers!
I want to leave my truck for weeks in my garage. while gone I want to plug it in to the generator 220 outlet to power the house instead of the generator. 6000 continuous watts is more than emough.. which is max for ice generator anyway. is there any drain on battery if plugged in to 220 outlet whenbits just sitting doing nothing? can any of the three be plugged in to charge while I'm gone and still be in backup mode with 220 outlet? I know only the lightning.. silverado. and cyber truck are capable of this. I'd rather not use the factor backup solution as to me.. it looks in to one veh only. I do have a lightning lr being built and will have a work around for this issue of backup home power just would then employees a battery separate for up to 24 hours of backup power then manually connect the generator caBle I have now with the 220 Plugs on. both sides to power the house. thanks for the request for testing we would like to see.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the Chevy stacks up. I would love you to rank them in terms of build quality. Time for some Coleton quality assessment.
2 things I’d love to see: - Agility/Performance like real world turning radius, slalom through cones, etc - V2H infrastructure and options. Ford seems to have a head start, but Tesla gateway plus their expertise should surpass quickly Can’t wait to see the comparisons overall!
Seattle to Miami towing challenge, a run that I gave driven my model 3 and U-Haul moving truck and wondering the cost of such a trip across the US would be … let the challenge begin
Idea, Can you show how easy or hard it is to hitch up a trailer to these trucks. Looking for info on camera assistance, built in brake controllers, software to tow, chassis adjustment, trailer plug location, ass squat with a trailer hooked up.
Would like to see a 70 mph tow test with an boat or utility trailer and maybe a charger race from 10% to 80% to see what all the charging curves are like.
Not related, but it’s time for another beak update. Did the service on the coolant valve help the charging curve? In regards to the trucks, can you throw in the cost of charging? This can vary depending on cost per kWh, but gives a good roundabout number.
I am interested in towing, not as much as a truck Vs truck but more of a per car ratio of Normal Mileage / Towing Mileage then to add misery to pain towing from Sea leave to 7,000 feet elevation.
Super simple but I’m about the same height as Kyle and I want to know how difficult is to grab that small item (ratchet strap, hitch, etc.) from the front of the bed on those trucks.
Would love to see a comparison of these trucks towing a camper trailer. Interested to see how much the aero affects the efficiency at different speeds.
If anyone has a Hummer EV in the area hit us up!
I live in Denver, I’ve seen two of them driving around. So they are out there.
Maybe you should commit to not prying body panels off or running to full stop. Some may not want that treatment to their $100k + vehicle.
Where is the fun in that?
Are you going to pay them for the use of their Hummer at going market rate for rentals?
yes please get hummer EV and then start test them all
don't compare them without Hummer EV
Well, clearly a 10% challenge is in order.
Absolutely! That EVgo station doesn’t know what’s coming for it 😅
And maybe the F-150 and Rivian could do Supercharger 10% challenges too.
@@RRH377 It's too bad the Cybertruck still can't use EVgo, too. It would be nice to see it get its full 325+ kW peak power.
I was going to suggest that!
You should compare The headlights
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Silverado EV: Yep, those are headlights. Fog lights too. Cool.
Rivian: Awww, what a cute little face it has!
Cybertruk: This thing has headlights? Where?
F-150 Lightning: Hahahaha it has a fu-manchu!
I would like to see a “Boat Launch” test. Ease of use, handling, stopping (since most boat trailers use surge brakes) and even X factors like how good is the design to help you self launch a boat.
Use a couple of different boats… a jet ski vs a large bow rider with a multiple axel trailer.
I love the Rivian, but one pedal driving is NOT a good thing when backing down a boat ramp in my opinion.
Factors for the test:
Visibility when pulling (mirrors and cameras)
Ease of backing down the ramp - single jet skis are a challenge in any pickup
Ease of controlling a large boat / trailer down the ramp
Slippage when recovering a boat… that first move up the ramp when the boat is first floated on
Handling with big trailer/boat (same course, obstacles across all test trucks, same trailer/boat combo)
This is a great idea
Dunno about in the Rivian but in my Ioniq 6 the one-pedal (iPedal) can be turned off - it does not even stay in operation after you switch off, but will default to Level 3 regen. I can set regen to zero if I wish.
@@petesig93 the closest you can get (in a Rivian) to disabling regen is the Snow drive mode.
In general, I like one pedal driving. But, there are just a few exceptions where the “old way” might be safer.
Backing a 7000 pound boat trailer down a boat ramp into salt water in a 7000 pound electric truck, tapping the accelerator to make it go feels all wrong. Your foot should be firmly planted on the brake (in this one case).
In Rivian’s defense, this could be in a future software update one day… Boat Launch mode… only works in reverse at low speeds, initiated by pressing the brake and activating the mode in reverse, simulates an “idle” speed in reverse so you can ease up off the brake to make it go. No need to shift your foot from brake to accelerator back and forth.
I want to see towing efficiency at different speeds: 40mph, 50mph, 60mph.
And a mid weight trailer, not the max, but a recreational trailer in the mid-3000 weight. I pull a pop-up with my Ioniq 5. I take a 50% hit in range, but that's starting with a relatively efficient car without a trailer.
Agree, it would be interesting to see the isolated impact of weight. Towing a low profile flatbed trailer once each with 3-4,000 lbs then again with the same trailer with 8-10,000 lbs. both with the same frontal profile
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I have a 2023 F-150 Lighting Lariat, extended range. I had 700 lbs in the truck bed, and a 5 x 10 enclosed "V" shaped trailer (1,200 lbs empty) towed behind it, but I was carrying about 1,500 lbs of lumber and building material inside. I lost 44% of range, which included driving an average of 110 km/h, a/c on, with about 600 lbs (2 people, 2 large dogs) inside the cab. I was driving from Calgary, Alberta Canada to Revelstoke BC, in a very mountainous region. Planned out my trip, and it worked very well. Lots of power to pass, comfortable and the cabin is very quiet, even with the road noise.
On another note, I had driven the truck between Calgary AB and Edmonton AB in -39C (-38.2F) and -60C (-76F) with the windchill. While the battery lost 53% efficiency do to the cold, and my range dropped over 60%, it worked fine charging at a mid-way-point.
@@brianpletcher8055 have you considered driving slower to increase range and decrease charging time?
Often range is thought to be static but it’s actually extremely variable due to multiple factors. One considerable factor is wind resistance at high speeds. To that end people should understand that if they are concerned about range (being less than distance to destination) they can easily extend their range by slowing down. That goes double for towing a bulky trailer.
Please test vampire drain between all of the trucks!
You mean phantom drain?
As so many trucks used as family vehicles, would love to see how easy it is for kids to get in/out and same for grandparents. Also, how easy to mount traditional accessories using cross bars on cab / bed.
And to add how easy it is to add child seats
2nd the family vehicle comparison. We have a Lightning as our family car and it is amazing. Stroller and rumble seat fit in the frunk and plenty of cargo room.
Also, ease of parking in a shopping center.
Cybertruck is pretty easy on low mode I just drove one today
I drove the Silverado and I had a hard time getting in and out. I didn’t like the running boards.
Add ICE pickup for baseline
How about a Moose test? Curious how steer by wire works in that scenario
Maybe a turning radius comparison?
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Yes, maneuverability is definitely a concern with these big/long vehicles
Would be really interesting to see a subtest of Chevy and Tesla 4 wheel steering, since they are the only two to have this feature so far. See which is better at that particular feature.
I have a Rivian R1T. Amazing truck and i love it. But i will admit its turning radius is ass
Cybertruck I think will win, the steering on it is amazing.
Would like to see thermals of the trucks pushed, so hot ambient temps, max towing for 500+ miles requiring multiple charging stops to see who’s thermal management in repeated charging with heavy loads for 8+ hours of work can hold up.
I would like to see tests for the most common things people do with their trucks: Loading groceries, Hauling dirt/mulch/trash, towing a boat/camper
How many sheets of 4X8 foot 1/2 inch plywood can the trucks hold?
We always bought 8 foot beds for hauling.
Thanks for you and your team and all the hard work. We appreciate y’all.
You Matter!
I'm from LA. How bad can it park and how close can it tailgate? That's what LA truck buyers need to know.
I use my lightning frunk all the time! I load groceries in it when I back into the stalls. This would be a great comparison.
You mean hauling air? 😂
Please tow an Airstream to see how far each one can go with the most aerodynamic rvs. Thks!
The more I see the Silverado EV, the more I like it. I am really looking forward to getting in one; I really am excited about the 3WT because of it's payload numbers. I will say that the F-150 Lightning is hands down the best Ford that I have ever driven. I am really looking forward to the release of that cross-country race.
Could you guys make a spreadsheet comparing pricing, specs and results you collect for each truck so we can have a complete overview
Can you please do a test comparing visibility in all of the trucks? Specifically, front visibility of something child sized? The safety of large trucks is starting to become a talking point, so I’d be interested in seeing how much more dangerous the Cybertruck is for pedestrians, since headlines love to say it’s a menace.
You can't even see a compact car in front of a semi.
I was thinking about requesting something similar.
To me, it looks like the Cybertruck has the lowest front edge. But the ride height setting is obviously a factor here.
Do the MOOSE test
Tug of war! 😂
Yes yes yes!
I want to see a towing challenge. One set at 70 MPH, one at 55 MPH; with both an “aerodynamic mid-weight” trailer (a Safari Alto Condo for example) and a “heaviest weight all allow, boxy not aerodynamic” trailer. (A flat-front box at 10,000 lbs.)
A “towing 10%” test would be a nice addition, too. Maybe 30 minutes charging, or just “charge until the rate drops below 1C”?
Agreed on slower speed and mid weight trailer. The obsession that many have with max towing at 75mph is ridiculous. They're evs, we know they'll do bad at that. Why not test them with reasonable loads 4-7k lbs at 55-65mph so a customer can see how it performs when you are actually trying to live with it while accepting the occasional towing performance compromise.
I’d love to see a towing test pulling the same trailer at the same weight all at the same time. 100%-0%.
Car seat tests in the rear seat. How well due rear facing car seats fit? Can you still seat an adult in the middle with two car seats in the rear?
Fold up the seats and see how large a TV will fit inside.
Oh man. This channel is truly the reference how to do testing!
Bjørn says hi.
(10 years of data)
@@rogerstarkey5390 I love Bjørn and probably spend 10-20 hours every week on his videoes. But even he is a Ninja, he is not able to do what Out of Spec does when they collect serveral people doing tests together.
I would like to see which is easier to use as a power backup/generator. Saw some videos about lightning and how frustrating it is to use in that sense.
The Home Integration System aside (they’re kinda rare, and I didn’t want to spend $4k on one excluding installation/upgrades), a simple procedure:
(1) if you have a manual transfer switch, flip it,
(2) take your 240A/30A generator cable and plug it into the house and the bed outlet,
(3) turn on the bed outlet power. And that’s it.
Other than the vague frustration of certain car systems needing to be more “on” than you’d want in a camping/generator mode, it’s literally 3 super simple steps, and easier than a gas powered portable generator.
I have seen a lot of off-road content for the Rivian, but not much for the other trucks. I would be interested in seeing those comparisons.
Can we get a comparison of front and rear visibility both with and without cameras. Like sit in a normal driver's position and mark on the road where you can see.
I would like to see a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed of each truck: laying flay, tilted, with bed extender, or tailgate down and strapped in - whatever works well for each truck. How would you actually move a sheet of plywood in this on the highway?
Some off-road comparisons would be cool!!
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Overlanding, rock crawling, drifting...
Take it to Moab, see how far each one can get on Poison Spider (Hell’s Revenge and FinsNThings are too easy).
I want to see the climb that he’s done in the past.
I’d like to see how deep water they can ford/wade through. At least talk about that spec while doing off-roading.
wow the cybertruck looks so big driving down the street but in the lineup it looks small
The Cybertruck is shorter in length than a Toyota Tacoma double cab long bed. And the CT is also about the same height as the Tacoma.
Lens distortion, as you progressively get to the edge things appear wider than they are.
I thought at one point someone said it was the lightest EV truck.
I was a little disappointed that "one more thing" at the Rivian R2 release was not a hat Rivian R2T...We need a mid to small-size EV Truck that is affordable. In the meantime, I'm just going to save for a big truck😁
Can't wait for the off road tests. I own two Lightnings and we use them for work at remote cell tower sites here in CA. They are very capable for what we do. They see lots of off road use in and around the CA desert out here. The Silverado EV looks great with it's larger battery but I'd like to see more off road tests to see how the weight of the Silverado affects off road capability. Might be more prone to flat tires over the sharp rocks we have out here. Great videos can't wait!
What are some cool things on the lightning. That a average joe might not know.
I wouldn't mind seeing small space maneuverability. As in tight job site parking/loading/back door contractor access. Maybe see some reverse trailering capability/site lines/wheel lock to wheel lock/ boat launch type of stuff.
Can't wait! Payload total capability in terms of weight and volume would be useful for real world usability. Remember foldable rear seats and upper usable space in the Vault, & under-bed space for the Cybertruck, when tonneau covers are closed.
Can’t wait to see the ranch content. An underrated use case for EV IMO
King of TUG OF WAR!!!
Yes please.
Nobody does EV testing better than Kyle. Can’t wait to see all of this great content.
Could you do the water test with the Cybertruck
You should either use a different Rivian or remove your bed rack for any tests that it might affect (e.g. range, handling, acceleration,...).
Would love to see in-depth offroad traction control tests (without diff locks).
I was hoping to see a Canoo but maybe next time.
And a unicorn!
Test maneuverability in parking lots, parallel parking, home and public garages as well as small roads. See which one can handle everyday use the best.
Which one has the best aftermarket accessories support?
I would love to see a family road trip, or a camping trip, the normal family things. That is where different features of the truck come out
I would love to see a Home Depot run comparison. Mulch, rocks, tools, paint, etc. Which one carries the most is most important I would think, but maybe efficiency for people who live in the sticks. Thanks guys!
😂 Most of these trucks will only do a home depot trip once per year. Most people overestimate the reasons why they must have a truck! Just say they look cool.
Maybe some places, but not where I live.@@onlineo2263
Would love to see a “Best family vehicle” comparison. We have the Lightning and it is amazing as a family car. Huge frunk for the stroller and so much cargo room.
Turning circles & how many turns lock to lock. Stopping distances with available regen settings.
I want to see the RAM REV if they could get press vehicles out. That is the truck I am interested in to go full EV. I know that isn't in your control. I will still be watching how all the others do.
The Ram REV is still at the prototype stage... there are not even any preproduction vehicles in circulation yet.
@@steinwaymodelb it is further than prototype. 😆 Just not "ready".
They do have them at some dealers so some channels can "show" them but not drive them.
I'm not in a hurry. My truck is just fine. Hopefully it will be worth the wait.
My cattle trailer is gooseneck. How do you put a gooseneck hitch in the bed of any of these "work" trucks? Also, I'd like to see a 4x8 sheet of plywood or an 8 foot 2x4 loaded in any of these trucks
Silverado and cybertruck do the plywood no problem, both have wide 6ft+ beds. Rivian and ford have 4.5ft/5.5ft joke beds
As millions of people have done in the last 100 years with a short bed, for anyone who has actually done any carpentry, remodeling, or fence and deck building, the tailgate is kept in the raised position most of the time and the 2x4x8s or 4x4x8s or longer are loaded up and rested on the top of the tailgate. Then strap them in and off you go.
Or, the same can be done with plywood and sheetrock with the tailgate up or down. Carry some tie-downs and secure the load.
The tailgate doesn't need to be up to carry large loads.
Most people aren't driving cross country all day long with loads of building material in a light duty pickup bed.
Large quantities of wood to build a house are delivered by large heavy rigs towing a flatbed trailer and the material is offloaded with a forklift.
People with an ultra heavy gooseneck trailer usually purchase heavy duty diesel or gas trucks costing $80,000 to $120,000 brand new. They don't use light pickups for that, most of the time.
@@dvader3263 No carpenter I know drives a 6 foot bed..What you are suggesting is stupid. They don't put up the gate and lay the wood on top of it.. You can't haul 40 2x4s or studs that way. . If you do that with sheetrock, you'll break it... I'll bet you work at some tech company in CA don't you, because you have no idea what you are talking about..
I drive a Ram 3500 and pull a 16 foot gooseneck trailer, with a ball in the bed that I installed. . You soyboys are the ones saying that these are work trucks.. Well are they or aren't they?
These are not work trucks.. these are rich nerd trucks
@@larryspiller15 But the problem in these is the length. If they want workmen to adopt any EV truck, they need to make a standard bed with standard sides so that a truck box, a rack or a diesel tank can be installed. That's what workmen need.
@@dvader3263 I don't know a carpenter with a 6 foot bed. You have no idea what you are talking about. I drive a 2012 Ram 3500 and pull a a 16 foot gooseneck. I live in cattle country. Most trucks around here have the bed pulled off and and a haybed in it's place . How are you going to do that with these? These EVs are not work trucks. You city boys want to drive them fine, but they aren't for workmen
I would like to see a interior sound test with and without a trailer and at various speeds. One tow test I saw with the CT had a terrible interior volume.
A tow test with a set charging time/kwh with remaining range at end of loop, with large cargo/pop up/dump trailer.
A handling test with 1500lb payload.
An efficiency test with the same tires at 60mph/75mph. Your rack should come off for the efficiency test.
An approach and departure angle off road test in standard height as a baseline. That cyber diaper is a real sad design.
A visibility and reversing test front/back/side with and without trailers.
A parking test.
As someone mentioned a headlight test.
Efficiency with 2 dirt bikes in the back
No need for the 100-0, 100-10% is much more practical.
A bed topper is always my first accessory. Would love to see a comparison of options. I suspect only the Ford has a good selection of third-party toppers.
Best short, mid and long distance road tripper. Comfort, noise, ease of use and charging all in one comparison.
I would like to know about two items: the headlighting and night / rain /snow / fog weather driving and do this vehicles have reverse parking cameras?
Need hummer EV in mix
I'd like to see how each of them are easy or not to deal with in bumper to bumper traffic during rush hour.
Hey Kyle, I would love to see real world impressions of the experience when the truck is packed with people. And maybe a dog too😊
Anyone who does family road trips knows why this is important
I'd be curious to see payload tests - I feel like these often get skipped. Throw near-max weight (consistent for all trucks) in the truck and see how it does on a range test as compared to the others!
One test I would like to see is doing all trucks at the same time towing on highway, up hill, & down hill recording each person perspective I have seen FLT do it with ICE motor and Ford/Chevy but I would like to see what people opinion on their own experience and make it a test of 100 mile loop or course. Have a blind drawing on who drives which truck with same trailer/load if possible.
Would love to see a payload range test. Put 1500 lbs of feed or concrete bags or something similar in the bed and drive like normal on the highway. Does it level itself out, do the driving dynamics feel different vs unladen. 70 or 75 mph. When driving at highway speeds cabin sound from wind and road noise. Also ease of hooking up a utility trailer.
Also, since loading up with payload in the bed is a common use case, how easy is it to get in and out of the bed, strap things down, etc.
How comfortable are the rear seats for long trips. Do they recline, have plenty of head room m, adequate ac,usable cup holder, phone charging, etc.
For off-road, light off-road scenarios. Gravel roads. Two track dirt roads with mud, switching off-road functions on the fly while moving. I’m thinking going on a hunting trip in remote location or ranch work and need to see what that would be like with each.
Id love to see Alyssa compare which is the best truck for dog performance sports / rescue and road tripping with dogs
The winner is that Gti over there in the back ground😂😂😂
Rivian can now use the Tesla superchargers.
Would like to see camper towing/camping comparison. Not just the towing range, but also can the onboard power be used while charging. Run the A/C and Microwave in the camper while charging. Can you plug the truck into the campsite 14-50 with EVSE and then use the onboard power to power the camper. So you can charge the truck while powering the camper off an EVSE at the camping site on a single 50 amp plug or even a 30 amp plug
Load up all the trucks inside, 3 cars seats, use up all the storage in the frunk and interior.
Next, load up tall furniture on all of them.
If you do the performance testing, make sure you launch the Lightning the correct way.
Could you also compare cost to charge?
Do a legit load test of the onboard inverter output (120/240v) using resistive space heaters for a synthetic load.
Three totally different things i want to see you test:
1. Camping and camp-mode uses. All have some sort of power outlets, and/or camp mode, etc. SOC drop overnight, etc.
2. App comparisons. Interior pre-conditioning capability, time to unlock doors from phone lock screen, what information is available, etc.
3. I would like to see what the current service lead time is on each truck for your local dealers. Try to schedule a somewhat simple service, and show what the first available appointment is for each brand. (You can do this even on the mfg loaners by using generic vehicle info).
Another suggestion if you're towing something with a truck might as well be a pontoon boat... Is the leading recreational boat used today
3 things I've learned about EVs from RUclips, they die in the cold, they take hours to charge, and they explode after a hurricane
Camp mode.
Drive in theater consideration.
Blackout consideration. (Aka inverter only.. idle consumption)
Friendliest off grid experience.eg no Internet because apocalypse
My dream list (I know some of these are already planned)
-70mph range test
-DCFC test
-10% challenge
-Towing range test
-Payload range test
-Highway/city combined driving loop efficiency
-Acceleration testing (unloaded, loaded, towing)
-Mild off-road or 4wd test (low traction wheel/motor control calibration testing)
-Level 2 charging test (overnight time frame)
Best one for camping.
Also towing mass vs. volume
Could you please talk about customer service. And ease of service in general and what that would look like especially for the Tesla and the Rivian. Thank you for your informative channel.
Is it possible to see, each truck, how much room the passenger front seat has with a baby car seat (rear facing) installed?
Our Tesla MYP front seat gets very cramped with a baby seat installed.
a real and fair comparison off road challenge! thank you
"The dual-motor Tesla Cybertruck Foundation Series achieved an Edmunds-certified result of 334 miles, or 6 miles short of Tesla's 340-mile estimate that's publicly available at the time of publishing. However, that's a 16-mile improvement over the original 318-mile estimate Tesla gave for the Cybertruck Foundation Series on all-terrain tires - a number that is no longer displayed on the company's website." ~Edmunds
.. And Car and Driver got 250 miles range with all terrains at 75 mph.
I like seeing the daily life situations that do not require calculations: Which dirty body areas are missed after driving though automatic car washes, parking maneuvers in tight parking garages, door swing clearance in tight parking spaces (for ingress/egress), how well does the bed drain after rinsing out loose sand/bark mulch, spare tire removal.
Infotainment/route planning comparisons. Handling on ice and snow. Parking/maneuvering. Pet comfort. Towing (box trailer/boat). Off roading (mud/deep water). Party tricks comparison. Race to Vegas!!!!
Super important Silverado question: I kept hearing 350 miles and 450 miles on Silverado over the last year…. But at the Chicago auto show their plaque says 400 miles. Have they lowered their range or is the range totally different on the consumer version? Thanks
Test charging at home! Yeah having at 214kw battery is great for long road trips, but you won't be charging that to 100% in 8 hours at home....
Ford with the big battery pack and 80 amp charger is about 8-10 hours.
I'm not convinced any of the ev trucks will really differ that much in payload or towing for the use cases most buyers will find themselves in. All perfectly powerful and responsive for somewhere between 80 and 200 miles of range. Generally bad after that. Fine. I'd like to rule those categories out and see which performs best as an every day vehicle. Never using the entire range in a single day. Never fast charging. The technology isn't there yet for that sort of thing and trucks.
I'm thinking: comfort, speed, ease of access to every day functions, large vehicles for large individuals who occasionally need to move things or do light offroading. Ya know... How most families use trucks.
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Don't forget about families! Sooooo many people use their trucks as family vehicles in addition to all of the stuff you covered. Especially with 4 doors, try out car seats in there, of all types, rear facing, forward facing, booster seats.... see how kids with cargo will fit.... while towing that heavy boat or camper on the family vacation. Cheers!
70 or 75 mph range, in combination with minutes of charging needed for 100 miles, 200 miles, 250 miles (Tom-style) please!
I want to leave my truck for weeks in my garage. while gone I want to plug it in to the generator 220 outlet to power the house instead of the generator. 6000 continuous watts is more than emough.. which is max for ice generator anyway.
is there any drain on battery if plugged in to 220 outlet whenbits just sitting doing nothing? can any of the three be plugged in to charge while I'm gone and still be in backup mode with 220 outlet? I know only the lightning.. silverado. and cyber truck are capable of this. I'd rather not use the factor backup solution as to me.. it looks in to one veh only. I do have a lightning lr being built and will have a work around for this issue of backup home power just would then employees a battery separate for up to 24 hours of backup power then manually connect the generator caBle I have now with the 220 Plugs on. both sides to power the house. thanks for the request for testing we would like to see.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the Chevy stacks up. I would love you to rank them in terms of build quality. Time for some Coleton quality assessment.
2 things I’d love to see:
- Agility/Performance like real world turning radius, slalom through cones, etc
- V2H infrastructure and options. Ford seems to have a head start, but Tesla gateway plus their expertise should surpass quickly
Can’t wait to see the comparisons overall!
I love it. Do bidirectional charging capability competitions.
And which ones can do vehicle-vehicle charging at the highest kwh.
Seattle to Miami towing challenge, a run that I gave driven my model 3 and U-Haul moving truck and wondering the cost of such a trip across the US would be … let the challenge begin
I would love to see a highway range test at 65 mph (105 km/h) then I would love to see a 2 or 3 hr city loop to test the range and efficiency.
A weekend going camping and plugging the camper trailer to the truck for the weekend
Idea, Can you show how easy or hard it is to hitch up a trailer to these trucks. Looking for info on camera assistance, built in brake controllers, software to tow, chassis adjustment, trailer plug location, ass squat with a trailer hooked up.
Since most people charge at home, can we get a level 2 home charging test?
Why? It’s slow.
And woukd be the same for all of them.
Would like to see a 70 mph tow test with an boat or utility trailer and maybe a charger race from 10% to 80% to see what all the charging curves are like.
Not related, but it’s time for another beak update. Did the service on the coolant valve help the charging curve?
In regards to the trucks, can you throw in the cost of charging? This can vary depending on cost per kWh, but gives a good roundabout number.
Rich boys' toys. I'd rather wait for the Telo e-truck. Hope they roll it out soon.
I am interested in towing, not as much as a truck Vs truck but more of a per car ratio of Normal Mileage / Towing Mileage then to add misery to pain towing from Sea leave to 7,000 feet elevation.
Dog test. Which trucks to your dogs prefer? Any truck that dogs don't like is a big fail.
I would love to see an airstream towed by all of these. A 27-33ft model.
Super simple but I’m about the same height as Kyle and I want to know how difficult is to grab that small item (ratchet strap, hitch, etc.) from the front of the bed on those trucks.
Highway range/efficiency at Max payload (not towing).
Would love to see a comparison of these trucks towing a camper trailer. Interested to see how much the aero affects the efficiency at different speeds.
I have towed a small horse trailer with two llamas a few times in my R1T. I lost almost exactly 40 percent going 70 to 75 most of the drive.