I would like to see a “Boat Launch” test. Ease of use, handling, stopping (since most boat trailers use surge brakes) and even X factors like how good is the design to help you self launch a boat. Use a couple of different boats… a jet ski vs a large bow rider with a multiple axel trailer. I love the Rivian, but one pedal driving is NOT a good thing when backing down a boat ramp in my opinion.
Factors for the test: Visibility when pulling (mirrors and cameras) Ease of backing down the ramp - single jet skis are a challenge in any pickup Ease of controlling a large boat / trailer down the ramp Slippage when recovering a boat… that first move up the ramp when the boat is first floated on Handling with big trailer/boat (same course, obstacles across all test trucks, same trailer/boat combo)
Dunno about in the Rivian but in my Ioniq 6 the one-pedal (iPedal) can be turned off - it does not even stay in operation after you switch off, but will default to Level 3 regen. I can set regen to zero if I wish.
@@petesig93 the closest you can get (in a Rivian) to disabling regen is the Snow drive mode. In general, I like one pedal driving. But, there are just a few exceptions where the “old way” might be safer. Backing a 7000 pound boat trailer down a boat ramp into salt water in a 7000 pound electric truck, tapping the accelerator to make it go feels all wrong. Your foot should be firmly planted on the brake (in this one case). In Rivian’s defense, this could be in a future software update one day… Boat Launch mode… only works in reverse at low speeds, initiated by pressing the brake and activating the mode in reverse, simulates an “idle” speed in reverse so you can ease up off the brake to make it go. No need to shift your foot from brake to accelerator back and forth.
And a mid weight trailer, not the max, but a recreational trailer in the mid-3000 weight. I pull a pop-up with my Ioniq 5. I take a 50% hit in range, but that's starting with a relatively efficient car without a trailer.
Agree, it would be interesting to see the isolated impact of weight. Towing a low profile flatbed trailer once each with 3-4,000 lbs then again with the same trailer with 8-10,000 lbs. both with the same frontal profile
@@michaelsmithers4900 I have a 2023 F-150 Lighting Lariat, extended range. I had 700 lbs in the truck bed, and a 5 x 10 enclosed "V" shaped trailer (1,200 lbs empty) towed behind it, but I was carrying about 1,500 lbs of lumber and building material inside. I lost 44% of range, which included driving an average of 110 km/h, a/c on, with about 600 lbs (2 people, 2 large dogs) inside the cab. I was driving from Calgary, Alberta Canada to Revelstoke BC, in a very mountainous region. Planned out my trip, and it worked very well. Lots of power to pass, comfortable and the cabin is very quiet, even with the road noise. On another note, I had driven the truck between Calgary AB and Edmonton AB in -39C (-38.2F) and -60C (-76F) with the windchill. While the battery lost 53% efficiency do to the cold, and my range dropped over 60%, it worked fine charging at a mid-way-point.
Often range is thought to be static but it’s actually extremely variable due to multiple factors. One considerable factor is wind resistance at high speeds. To that end people should understand that if they are concerned about range (being less than distance to destination) they can easily extend their range by slowing down. That goes double for towing a bulky trailer.
Silverado EV: Yep, those are headlights. Fog lights too. Cool. Rivian: Awww, what a cute little face it has! Cybertruk: This thing has headlights? Where? F-150 Lightning: Hahahaha it has a fu-manchu!
As so many trucks used as family vehicles, would love to see how easy it is for kids to get in/out and same for grandparents. Also, how easy to mount traditional accessories using cross bars on cab / bed.
2nd the family vehicle comparison. We have a Lightning as our family car and it is amazing. Stroller and rumble seat fit in the frunk and plenty of cargo room.
Would like to see thermals of the trucks pushed, so hot ambient temps, max towing for 500+ miles requiring multiple charging stops to see who’s thermal management in repeated charging with heavy loads for 8+ hours of work can hold up.
How many sheets of 4X8 foot 1/2 inch plywood can the trucks hold? We always bought 8 foot beds for hauling. Thanks for you and your team and all the hard work. We appreciate y’all. You Matter!
The more I see the Silverado EV, the more I like it. I am really looking forward to getting in one; I really am excited about the 3WT because of it's payload numbers. I will say that the F-150 Lightning is hands down the best Ford that I have ever driven. I am really looking forward to the release of that cross-country race.
Would be really interesting to see a subtest of Chevy and Tesla 4 wheel steering, since they are the only two to have this feature so far. See which is better at that particular feature.
Can't wait for the off road tests. I own two Lightnings and we use them for work at remote cell tower sites here in CA. They are very capable for what we do. They see lots of off road use in and around the CA desert out here. The Silverado EV looks great with it's larger battery but I'd like to see more off road tests to see how the weight of the Silverado affects off road capability. Might be more prone to flat tires over the sharp rocks we have out here. Great videos can't wait!
I like seeing the daily life situations that do not require calculations: Which dirty body areas are missed after driving though automatic car washes, parking maneuvers in tight parking garages, door swing clearance in tight parking spaces (for ingress/egress), how well does the bed drain after rinsing out loose sand/bark mulch, spare tire removal.
I want to see a towing challenge. One set at 70 MPH, one at 55 MPH; with both an “aerodynamic mid-weight” trailer (a Safari Alto Condo for example) and a “heaviest weight all allow, boxy not aerodynamic” trailer. (A flat-front box at 10,000 lbs.) A “towing 10%” test would be a nice addition, too. Maybe 30 minutes charging, or just “charge until the rate drops below 1C”?
Agreed on slower speed and mid weight trailer. The obsession that many have with max towing at 75mph is ridiculous. They're evs, we know they'll do bad at that. Why not test them with reasonable loads 4-7k lbs at 55-65mph so a customer can see how it performs when you are actually trying to live with it while accepting the occasional towing performance compromise.
Don't forget about families! Sooooo many people use their trucks as family vehicles in addition to all of the stuff you covered. Especially with 4 doors, try out car seats in there, of all types, rear facing, forward facing, booster seats.... see how kids with cargo will fit.... while towing that heavy boat or camper on the family vacation. Cheers!
My dream list (I know some of these are already planned) -70mph range test -DCFC test -10% challenge -Towing range test -Payload range test -Highway/city combined driving loop efficiency -Acceleration testing (unloaded, loaded, towing) -Mild off-road or 4wd test (low traction wheel/motor control calibration testing) -Level 2 charging test (overnight time frame)
Three totally different things i want to see you test: 1. Camping and camp-mode uses. All have some sort of power outlets, and/or camp mode, etc. SOC drop overnight, etc. 2. App comparisons. Interior pre-conditioning capability, time to unlock doors from phone lock screen, what information is available, etc. 3. I would like to see what the current service lead time is on each truck for your local dealers. Try to schedule a somewhat simple service, and show what the first available appointment is for each brand. (You can do this even on the mfg loaners by using generic vehicle info).
Can you please do a test comparing visibility in all of the trucks? Specifically, front visibility of something child sized? The safety of large trucks is starting to become a talking point, so I’d be interested in seeing how much more dangerous the Cybertruck is for pedestrians, since headlines love to say it’s a menace.
I was thinking about requesting something similar. To me, it looks like the Cybertruck has the lowest front edge. But the ride height setting is obviously a factor here.
I wouldn't mind seeing small space maneuverability. As in tight job site parking/loading/back door contractor access. Maybe see some reverse trailering capability/site lines/wheel lock to wheel lock/ boat launch type of stuff.
I would like to see which is easier to use as a power backup/generator. Saw some videos about lightning and how frustrating it is to use in that sense.
The Home Integration System aside (they’re kinda rare, and I didn’t want to spend $4k on one excluding installation/upgrades), a simple procedure: (1) if you have a manual transfer switch, flip it, (2) take your 240A/30A generator cable and plug it into the house and the bed outlet, (3) turn on the bed outlet power. And that’s it. Other than the vague frustration of certain car systems needing to be more “on” than you’d want in a camping/generator mode, it’s literally 3 super simple steps, and easier than a gas powered portable generator.
I was a little disappointed that "one more thing" at the Rivian R2 release was not a hat Rivian R2T...We need a mid to small-size EV Truck that is affordable. In the meantime, I'm just going to save for a big truck😁
I would love to see a Home Depot run comparison. Mulch, rocks, tools, paint, etc. Which one carries the most is most important I would think, but maybe efficiency for people who live in the sticks. Thanks guys!
😂 Most of these trucks will only do a home depot trip once per year. Most people overestimate the reasons why they must have a truck! Just say they look cool.
I would like to see a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed of each truck: laying flay, tilted, with bed extender, or tailgate down and strapped in - whatever works well for each truck. How would you actually move a sheet of plywood in this on the highway?
Test maneuverability in parking lots, parallel parking, home and public garages as well as small roads. See which one can handle everyday use the best.
Would like to see camper towing/camping comparison. Not just the towing range, but also can the onboard power be used while charging. Run the A/C and Microwave in the camper while charging. Can you plug the truck into the campsite 14-50 with EVSE and then use the onboard power to power the camper. So you can charge the truck while powering the camper off an EVSE at the camping site on a single 50 amp plug or even a 30 amp plug
Infotainment/route planning comparisons. Handling on ice and snow. Parking/maneuvering. Pet comfort. Towing (box trailer/boat). Off roading (mud/deep water). Party tricks comparison. Race to Vegas!!!!
Can we get a comparison of front and rear visibility both with and without cameras. Like sit in a normal driver's position and mark on the road where you can see.
Hey Kyle, I would love to see real world impressions of the experience when the truck is packed with people. And maybe a dog too😊 Anyone who does family road trips knows why this is important
One test I would like to see is doing all trucks at the same time towing on highway, up hill, & down hill recording each person perspective I have seen FLT do it with ICE motor and Ford/Chevy but I would like to see what people opinion on their own experience and make it a test of 100 mile loop or course. Have a blind drawing on who drives which truck with same trailer/load if possible.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I love Bjørn and probably spend 10-20 hours every week on his videoes. But even he is a Ninja, he is not able to do what Out of Spec does when they collect serveral people doing tests together.
I have a suggestion about including a new contender, just a common F-150. whatever the most common f-150 trim is, bring that into the ring and include it in the testing to see how they allc compare to a standard, no frills gas truck. Offroad testing, and towing tests in particular. up through mountain passes, not just flat ground. make it gruesomely realistic to see under the worst circumstances, how they all compare as trucks
Can't wait! Payload total capability in terms of weight and volume would be useful for real world usability. Remember foldable rear seats and upper usable space in the Vault, & under-bed space for the Cybertruck, when tonneau covers are closed.
Would like to see a 70 mph tow test with an boat or utility trailer and maybe a charger race from 10% to 80% to see what all the charging curves are like.
Could you please talk about customer service. And ease of service in general and what that would look like especially for the Tesla and the Rivian. Thank you for your informative channel.
Seattle to Miami towing challenge, a run that I gave driven my model 3 and U-Haul moving truck and wondering the cost of such a trip across the US would be … let the challenge begin
Test charging at home! Yeah having at 214kw battery is great for long road trips, but you won't be charging that to 100% in 8 hours at home.... Ford with the big battery pack and 80 amp charger is about 8-10 hours.
🏁Quarter mile offroad 🤽♂Convert truck bed to pool ♻Charging efficiency at 2kW, 10kW, 100kW 🔋Consumption at maximum payload 🍺How much beer fits in the truck bed
I just ordered the Silverado 4WT... But I haven't even tried the sound system !!! No one ever talk about sound system anymore... I hope no one talk about it because it is just acceptable !
"The dual-motor Tesla Cybertruck Foundation Series achieved an Edmunds-certified result of 334 miles, or 6 miles short of Tesla's 340-mile estimate that's publicly available at the time of publishing. However, that's a 16-mile improvement over the original 318-mile estimate Tesla gave for the Cybertruck Foundation Series on all-terrain tires - a number that is no longer displayed on the company's website." ~Edmunds .. And Car and Driver got 250 miles range with all terrains at 75 mph.
Would love to see a comparison of these trucks towing a camper trailer. Interested to see how much the aero affects the efficiency at different speeds.
I would be interested to see a TOWING CHALLENGE, including a segment on Towing Up steep hills (extreme grades) - with emphasis on whether they can maintain a set highway speed (under full load), Can they accelerate while towing uphill (while towing max weight trailer), etc. - basicalling everything you can think of doing while towing a trailer on flat, level ground but pushing the EV Trucks to do it while climbing steep grades while towing a heavy trailer.
Super important Silverado question: I kept hearing 350 miles and 450 miles on Silverado over the last year…. But at the Chicago auto show their plaque says 400 miles. Have they lowered their range or is the range totally different on the consumer version? Thanks
Another cool test to try out between the trucks , is the area of automation features . Like automatic parking mode , like automatic adaptive cruise control . Plus how each truck handles pedestrian safety , what automatic features are built into each truck , etc.
Great to see more videos out there! Personally and a fan of the races so will definitely watch the coast to coast race....watched a lot of top gear and the races are always the most entertaining part of the show fo=r me!
I would also like to see using the truck as a generator for use in the field to run tools and as a generator for your home, not necessarily with the added "Home Kit" but as a simple generator replacement. Having such huge batteries available in case of emergencies or field use is a definite selling point for these vehicles
Idea, Can you show how easy or hard it is to hitch up a trailer to these trucks. Looking for info on camera assistance, built in brake controllers, software to tow, chassis adjustment, trailer plug location, ass squat with a trailer hooked up.
Leverage the trucks as a versatile mobile workshop for tackling DIY projects at home, while also serving as a convenient means for transporting materials from hardware stores and picking up groceries from the store, even when you just remembered that you need to pick them up.
Not related, but it’s time for another beak update. Did the service on the coolant valve help the charging curve? In regards to the trucks, can you throw in the cost of charging? This can vary depending on cost per kWh, but gives a good roundabout number.
I would love a flat tow with a medium sized boat, maybe a bass boat. Thousands of people around the country have skiffs, flats boats, bay boats, or bass boats. These are typically single or dual axle trailers that weigh anywhere from 1000 to 5000ish lbs (when loaded with gear and fuel) on the trailer. These boats are built for efficiency or speed on the water (they’re not your average boxed utility trailer) so they may not impact range that much.
I would like to see an ergonomics test. So many people get in their trucks with water bottles, backpacks, and phones. Which is the best with storage space for those items, ease of opening the doors (like door handles) when your hands are full, getting it turned on and into gear, and setting out, along with parking it in tight parking spaces like are common on the coastal regions.
Just a suggestion I think you should use the power on board systems to build a shed..... And obviously use the trucks to transport the materials. . Happy building
I'd love to see how different trailers affect the trucks differently! E.g. A flatbed trailer will tow much easier and be a lot less of a hit on mileage vs say an 8 foot cargo trailer with a large frontal square footage area. Also headlight pattern tests!
So many "truck" owners barely use their full capabilities. A presentation of a week in the life of a typical American truck owner would go a long way in dispelling range fears. Daily drives to and from school to drop off kids or to and from work, then a weekend full of towing a boat or towing a trailer. Most people boat or weekend camp within the range of these vehicles so it would really show that these are very viable real world vehicles.
Would love to see an infotainment top 5 scored challenge. Time from start to usable backup camera, time to go from driving to turning on seat warmers with number of touches needed,tiime to change the radio channel, etc.
I, for one, am a guy with a light use-case. I've been getting by with an SUV for years. The things I need to know are how much construction tools you can fit in the frunk, how well it carries 8ft lumber and 4x8 sheet stock, how far it goes with a non-commercial trailer holding half a ton, and how efficiently it does those things in terms of power usage, in roughly that order.
Pretty excited for this! I second the 10% challenge....predict the Silverado to win that. Maybe also do some sort of cargo comparison and add in the EV9 to compare truck vs SUV.
Awesome video Out Od Spec. I would be so interested in seeing these trucks maximum payload in their beds. Somtimes it just makes more sense to use the pickup truck bed over a trailer. Can't wait to your test videos and happy trucking!
Would be great to hear more about how you feel in the cabin. View, comfort, ease, handling, safety, steering, and overall atmosphere . Thank you and look forward.
A payload test would be great to see how a similar load would fit in the bed for each, and then, how it would impact the range. Would also like to see them off road to compare the dirt capability.
Ideas for testing . 1. how to determine which is the most good looking truck ,?? Side view , front view , overall view . 2.Perhaps , get a group of young adults say 10 to 16 in age , set them free on the trucks ,and give them proper tasks to complete , ask them to do mini reviews , but they have to back it up and give reasons why or there reviews will be scrapped. See which truck they gravitate too. Possible tasks , a.reverse up to a trailer and hitch up . b.parallel park c. perpendicular park d. load two bicycle in the bed. e.install childs seat f. load a flat screen tv box , while carrying 3 kids home from school simulation. g. kind of technical but change the front brake pads. h. do all the above tasks with two seperate groups , half girls , half boys , observe which truck the two different groups gravitate too. i a interior cleaning task , which is the easiest to clean out . j. simulate a flat tire , which truck is the easiest to change a spare wheel. k. a makeout simulation, which is most suitable for courting couples after the movies.. l.which has the best setup for getting in and out of on a repeated basis , imagine 5 livestock gates in a row , have to pass through 5 gates , getting in and out as pass thru the gates open and shutting gates as pass thru each one , which truck has the best setup for that sequence.
If anyone has a Hummer EV in the area hit us up!
I live in Denver, I’ve seen two of them driving around. So they are out there.
Maybe you should commit to not prying body panels off or running to full stop. Some may not want that treatment to their $100k + vehicle.
Where is the fun in that?
Are you going to pay them for the use of their Hummer at going market rate for rentals?
yes please get hummer EV and then start test them all
don't compare them without Hummer EV
Well, clearly a 10% challenge is in order.
Absolutely! That EVgo station doesn’t know what’s coming for it 😅
And maybe the F-150 and Rivian could do Supercharger 10% challenges too.
@@RRH377 It's too bad the Cybertruck still can't use EVgo, too. It would be nice to see it get its full 325+ kW peak power.
I was going to suggest that!
I would like to see a “Boat Launch” test. Ease of use, handling, stopping (since most boat trailers use surge brakes) and even X factors like how good is the design to help you self launch a boat.
Use a couple of different boats… a jet ski vs a large bow rider with a multiple axel trailer.
I love the Rivian, but one pedal driving is NOT a good thing when backing down a boat ramp in my opinion.
Factors for the test:
Visibility when pulling (mirrors and cameras)
Ease of backing down the ramp - single jet skis are a challenge in any pickup
Ease of controlling a large boat / trailer down the ramp
Slippage when recovering a boat… that first move up the ramp when the boat is first floated on
Handling with big trailer/boat (same course, obstacles across all test trucks, same trailer/boat combo)
This is a great idea
Dunno about in the Rivian but in my Ioniq 6 the one-pedal (iPedal) can be turned off - it does not even stay in operation after you switch off, but will default to Level 3 regen. I can set regen to zero if I wish.
@@petesig93 the closest you can get (in a Rivian) to disabling regen is the Snow drive mode.
In general, I like one pedal driving. But, there are just a few exceptions where the “old way” might be safer.
Backing a 7000 pound boat trailer down a boat ramp into salt water in a 7000 pound electric truck, tapping the accelerator to make it go feels all wrong. Your foot should be firmly planted on the brake (in this one case).
In Rivian’s defense, this could be in a future software update one day… Boat Launch mode… only works in reverse at low speeds, initiated by pressing the brake and activating the mode in reverse, simulates an “idle” speed in reverse so you can ease up off the brake to make it go. No need to shift your foot from brake to accelerator back and forth.
I want to see towing efficiency at different speeds: 40mph, 50mph, 60mph.
And a mid weight trailer, not the max, but a recreational trailer in the mid-3000 weight. I pull a pop-up with my Ioniq 5. I take a 50% hit in range, but that's starting with a relatively efficient car without a trailer.
Agree, it would be interesting to see the isolated impact of weight. Towing a low profile flatbed trailer once each with 3-4,000 lbs then again with the same trailer with 8-10,000 lbs. both with the same frontal profile
@@michaelsmithers4900
I have a 2023 F-150 Lighting Lariat, extended range. I had 700 lbs in the truck bed, and a 5 x 10 enclosed "V" shaped trailer (1,200 lbs empty) towed behind it, but I was carrying about 1,500 lbs of lumber and building material inside. I lost 44% of range, which included driving an average of 110 km/h, a/c on, with about 600 lbs (2 people, 2 large dogs) inside the cab. I was driving from Calgary, Alberta Canada to Revelstoke BC, in a very mountainous region. Planned out my trip, and it worked very well. Lots of power to pass, comfortable and the cabin is very quiet, even with the road noise.
On another note, I had driven the truck between Calgary AB and Edmonton AB in -39C (-38.2F) and -60C (-76F) with the windchill. While the battery lost 53% efficiency do to the cold, and my range dropped over 60%, it worked fine charging at a mid-way-point.
@@brianpletcher8055 have you considered driving slower to increase range and decrease charging time?
Often range is thought to be static but it’s actually extremely variable due to multiple factors. One considerable factor is wind resistance at high speeds. To that end people should understand that if they are concerned about range (being less than distance to destination) they can easily extend their range by slowing down. That goes double for towing a bulky trailer.
You should compare The headlights
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Silverado EV: Yep, those are headlights. Fog lights too. Cool.
Rivian: Awww, what a cute little face it has!
Cybertruk: This thing has headlights? Where?
F-150 Lightning: Hahahaha it has a fu-manchu!
As so many trucks used as family vehicles, would love to see how easy it is for kids to get in/out and same for grandparents. Also, how easy to mount traditional accessories using cross bars on cab / bed.
And to add how easy it is to add child seats
2nd the family vehicle comparison. We have a Lightning as our family car and it is amazing. Stroller and rumble seat fit in the frunk and plenty of cargo room.
Also, ease of parking in a shopping center.
Cybertruck is pretty easy on low mode I just drove one today
I drove the Silverado and I had a hard time getting in and out. I didn’t like the running boards.
Would like to see thermals of the trucks pushed, so hot ambient temps, max towing for 500+ miles requiring multiple charging stops to see who’s thermal management in repeated charging with heavy loads for 8+ hours of work can hold up.
I would like to see tests for the most common things people do with their trucks: Loading groceries, Hauling dirt/mulch/trash, towing a boat/camper
How many sheets of 4X8 foot 1/2 inch plywood can the trucks hold?
We always bought 8 foot beds for hauling.
Thanks for you and your team and all the hard work. We appreciate y’all.
You Matter!
I'm from LA. How bad can it park and how close can it tailgate? That's what LA truck buyers need to know.
I use my lightning frunk all the time! I load groceries in it when I back into the stalls. This would be a great comparison.
You mean hauling air? 😂
The more I see the Silverado EV, the more I like it. I am really looking forward to getting in one; I really am excited about the 3WT because of it's payload numbers. I will say that the F-150 Lightning is hands down the best Ford that I have ever driven. I am really looking forward to the release of that cross-country race.
Please test vampire drain between all of the trucks!
You mean phantom drain?
How about a Moose test? Curious how steer by wire works in that scenario
Maybe a turning radius comparison?
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Yes, maneuverability is definitely a concern with these big/long vehicles
Would be really interesting to see a subtest of Chevy and Tesla 4 wheel steering, since they are the only two to have this feature so far. See which is better at that particular feature.
I have a Rivian R1T. Amazing truck and i love it. But i will admit its turning radius is ass
Cybertruck I think will win, the steering on it is amazing.
Add ICE pickup for baseline
Can't wait for the off road tests. I own two Lightnings and we use them for work at remote cell tower sites here in CA. They are very capable for what we do. They see lots of off road use in and around the CA desert out here. The Silverado EV looks great with it's larger battery but I'd like to see more off road tests to see how the weight of the Silverado affects off road capability. Might be more prone to flat tires over the sharp rocks we have out here. Great videos can't wait!
What are some cool things on the lightning. That a average joe might not know.
I like seeing the daily life situations that do not require calculations: Which dirty body areas are missed after driving though automatic car washes, parking maneuvers in tight parking garages, door swing clearance in tight parking spaces (for ingress/egress), how well does the bed drain after rinsing out loose sand/bark mulch, spare tire removal.
I want to see a towing challenge. One set at 70 MPH, one at 55 MPH; with both an “aerodynamic mid-weight” trailer (a Safari Alto Condo for example) and a “heaviest weight all allow, boxy not aerodynamic” trailer. (A flat-front box at 10,000 lbs.)
A “towing 10%” test would be a nice addition, too. Maybe 30 minutes charging, or just “charge until the rate drops below 1C”?
Agreed on slower speed and mid weight trailer. The obsession that many have with max towing at 75mph is ridiculous. They're evs, we know they'll do bad at that. Why not test them with reasonable loads 4-7k lbs at 55-65mph so a customer can see how it performs when you are actually trying to live with it while accepting the occasional towing performance compromise.
Don't forget about families! Sooooo many people use their trucks as family vehicles in addition to all of the stuff you covered. Especially with 4 doors, try out car seats in there, of all types, rear facing, forward facing, booster seats.... see how kids with cargo will fit.... while towing that heavy boat or camper on the family vacation. Cheers!
My dream list (I know some of these are already planned)
-70mph range test
-DCFC test
-10% challenge
-Towing range test
-Payload range test
-Highway/city combined driving loop efficiency
-Acceleration testing (unloaded, loaded, towing)
-Mild off-road or 4wd test (low traction wheel/motor control calibration testing)
-Level 2 charging test (overnight time frame)
Three totally different things i want to see you test:
1. Camping and camp-mode uses. All have some sort of power outlets, and/or camp mode, etc. SOC drop overnight, etc.
2. App comparisons. Interior pre-conditioning capability, time to unlock doors from phone lock screen, what information is available, etc.
3. I would like to see what the current service lead time is on each truck for your local dealers. Try to schedule a somewhat simple service, and show what the first available appointment is for each brand. (You can do this even on the mfg loaners by using generic vehicle info).
Nobody does EV testing better than Kyle. Can’t wait to see all of this great content.
Could you guys make a spreadsheet comparing pricing, specs and results you collect for each truck so we can have a complete overview
Can you please do a test comparing visibility in all of the trucks? Specifically, front visibility of something child sized? The safety of large trucks is starting to become a talking point, so I’d be interested in seeing how much more dangerous the Cybertruck is for pedestrians, since headlines love to say it’s a menace.
You can't even see a compact car in front of a semi.
I was thinking about requesting something similar.
To me, it looks like the Cybertruck has the lowest front edge. But the ride height setting is obviously a factor here.
Please tow an Airstream to see how far each one can go with the most aerodynamic rvs. Thks!
I wouldn't mind seeing small space maneuverability. As in tight job site parking/loading/back door contractor access. Maybe see some reverse trailering capability/site lines/wheel lock to wheel lock/ boat launch type of stuff.
I’d love to see a towing test pulling the same trailer at the same weight all at the same time. 100%-0%.
I would love to see a family road trip, or a camping trip, the normal family things. That is where different features of the truck come out
I have seen a lot of off-road content for the Rivian, but not much for the other trucks. I would be interested in seeing those comparisons.
Can’t wait to see the ranch content. An underrated use case for EV IMO
I would like to see which is easier to use as a power backup/generator. Saw some videos about lightning and how frustrating it is to use in that sense.
The Home Integration System aside (they’re kinda rare, and I didn’t want to spend $4k on one excluding installation/upgrades), a simple procedure:
(1) if you have a manual transfer switch, flip it,
(2) take your 240A/30A generator cable and plug it into the house and the bed outlet,
(3) turn on the bed outlet power. And that’s it.
Other than the vague frustration of certain car systems needing to be more “on” than you’d want in a camping/generator mode, it’s literally 3 super simple steps, and easier than a gas powered portable generator.
I was a little disappointed that "one more thing" at the Rivian R2 release was not a hat Rivian R2T...We need a mid to small-size EV Truck that is affordable. In the meantime, I'm just going to save for a big truck😁
I would love to see a Home Depot run comparison. Mulch, rocks, tools, paint, etc. Which one carries the most is most important I would think, but maybe efficiency for people who live in the sticks. Thanks guys!
😂 Most of these trucks will only do a home depot trip once per year. Most people overestimate the reasons why they must have a truck! Just say they look cool.
Maybe some places, but not where I live.@@onlineo2263
I would like to see a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed of each truck: laying flay, tilted, with bed extender, or tailgate down and strapped in - whatever works well for each truck. How would you actually move a sheet of plywood in this on the highway?
Test maneuverability in parking lots, parallel parking, home and public garages as well as small roads. See which one can handle everyday use the best.
a real and fair comparison off road challenge! thank you
wow the cybertruck looks so big driving down the street but in the lineup it looks small
The Cybertruck is shorter in length than a Toyota Tacoma double cab long bed. And the CT is also about the same height as the Tacoma.
Lens distortion, as you progressively get to the edge things appear wider than they are.
I thought at one point someone said it was the lightest EV truck.
Would like to see camper towing/camping comparison. Not just the towing range, but also can the onboard power be used while charging. Run the A/C and Microwave in the camper while charging. Can you plug the truck into the campsite 14-50 with EVSE and then use the onboard power to power the camper. So you can charge the truck while powering the camper off an EVSE at the camping site on a single 50 amp plug or even a 30 amp plug
Infotainment/route planning comparisons. Handling on ice and snow. Parking/maneuvering. Pet comfort. Towing (box trailer/boat). Off roading (mud/deep water). Party tricks comparison. Race to Vegas!!!!
Can we get a comparison of front and rear visibility both with and without cameras. Like sit in a normal driver's position and mark on the road where you can see.
Some off-road comparisons would be cool!!
THIS
Overlanding, rock crawling, drifting...
Take it to Moab, see how far each one can get on Poison Spider (Hell’s Revenge and FinsNThings are too easy).
I want to see the climb that he’s done in the past.
I’d like to see how deep water they can ford/wade through. At least talk about that spec while doing off-roading.
Car seat tests in the rear seat. How well due rear facing car seats fit? Can you still seat an adult in the middle with two car seats in the rear?
Fold up the seats and see how large a TV will fit inside.
I would love to see a highway range test at 65 mph (105 km/h) then I would love to see a 2 or 3 hr city loop to test the range and efficiency.
I’m looking forward to this video more than any other in the past 3 years.
Hey Kyle, I would love to see real world impressions of the experience when the truck is packed with people. And maybe a dog too😊
Anyone who does family road trips knows why this is important
One test I would like to see is doing all trucks at the same time towing on highway, up hill, & down hill recording each person perspective I have seen FLT do it with ICE motor and Ford/Chevy but I would like to see what people opinion on their own experience and make it a test of 100 mile loop or course. Have a blind drawing on who drives which truck with same trailer/load if possible.
I have absolutely no use for a truck. But, I’ll watch anyway because Kyle is so good about testing and maybe I can make a recommendation to others.
Same.
Do the MOOSE test
King of TUG OF WAR!!!
Yes please.
Oh man. This channel is truly the reference how to do testing!
Bjørn says hi.
(10 years of data)
@@rogerstarkey5390 I love Bjørn and probably spend 10-20 hours every week on his videoes. But even he is a Ninja, he is not able to do what Out of Spec does when they collect serveral people doing tests together.
Turning circles & how many turns lock to lock. Stopping distances with available regen settings.
You should either use a different Rivian or remove your bed rack for any tests that it might affect (e.g. range, handling, acceleration,...).
I have a suggestion about including a new contender, just a common F-150. whatever the most common f-150 trim is, bring that into the ring and include it in the testing to see how they allc compare to a standard, no frills gas truck. Offroad testing, and towing tests in particular. up through mountain passes, not just flat ground. make it gruesomely realistic to see under the worst circumstances, how they all compare as trucks
I would love to see a video that compares the front and back seat room with four and 5 adults
Another suggestion if you're towing something with a truck might as well be a pontoon boat... Is the leading recreational boat used today
Tug of war! 😂
Yes yes yes!
I love it. Do bidirectional charging capability competitions.
And which ones can do vehicle-vehicle charging at the highest kwh.
Boatlaunch unload and load up a steep soaked launch ramp with a decent sized boat.
Can't wait! Payload total capability in terms of weight and volume would be useful for real world usability. Remember foldable rear seats and upper usable space in the Vault, & under-bed space for the Cybertruck, when tonneau covers are closed.
Would like to see a 70 mph tow test with an boat or utility trailer and maybe a charger race from 10% to 80% to see what all the charging curves are like.
Could you please talk about customer service. And ease of service in general and what that would look like especially for the Tesla and the Rivian. Thank you for your informative channel.
Seattle to Miami towing challenge, a run that I gave driven my model 3 and U-Haul moving truck and wondering the cost of such a trip across the US would be … let the challenge begin
A weekend going camping and plugging the camper trailer to the truck for the weekend
Test charging at home! Yeah having at 214kw battery is great for long road trips, but you won't be charging that to 100% in 8 hours at home....
Ford with the big battery pack and 80 amp charger is about 8-10 hours.
🏁Quarter mile offroad
🤽♂Convert truck bed to pool
♻Charging efficiency at 2kW, 10kW, 100kW
🔋Consumption at maximum payload
🍺How much beer fits in the truck bed
I just ordered the Silverado 4WT... But I haven't even tried the sound system !!! No one ever talk about sound system anymore... I hope no one talk about it because it is just acceptable !
"The dual-motor Tesla Cybertruck Foundation Series achieved an Edmunds-certified result of 334 miles, or 6 miles short of Tesla's 340-mile estimate that's publicly available at the time of publishing. However, that's a 16-mile improvement over the original 318-mile estimate Tesla gave for the Cybertruck Foundation Series on all-terrain tires - a number that is no longer displayed on the company's website." ~Edmunds
.. And Car and Driver got 250 miles range with all terrains at 75 mph.
I want to see how the bed and all the goodies in them hold up after hauling a load of gravel or garden compost.
Would love to see a comparison of these trucks towing a camper trailer. Interested to see how much the aero affects the efficiency at different speeds.
I have towed a small horse trailer with two llamas a few times in my R1T. I lost almost exactly 40 percent going 70 to 75 most of the drive.
Which one has the best aftermarket accessories support?
I was hoping to see a Canoo but maybe next time.
And a unicorn!
I would be interested to see a TOWING CHALLENGE, including a segment on Towing Up steep hills (extreme grades) - with emphasis on whether they can maintain a set highway speed (under full load), Can they accelerate while towing uphill (while towing max weight trailer), etc. - basicalling everything you can think of doing while towing a trailer on flat, level ground but pushing the EV Trucks to do it while climbing steep grades while towing a heavy trailer.
Best truck for a family/kids? Interior space, number of carseats that can fit, stroller storage, etc.
Super important Silverado question: I kept hearing 350 miles and 450 miles on Silverado over the last year…. But at the Chicago auto show their plaque says 400 miles. Have they lowered their range or is the range totally different on the consumer version? Thanks
This channel should have at least 1 million subscribers. Love your detailed content
Id love to see Alyssa compare which is the best truck for dog performance sports / rescue and road tripping with dogs
Another cool test to try out between the trucks , is the area of automation features . Like automatic parking mode , like automatic adaptive cruise control . Plus how each truck handles pedestrian safety , what automatic features are built into each truck , etc.
Great to see more videos out there! Personally and a fan of the races so will definitely watch the coast to coast race....watched a lot of top gear and the races are always the most entertaining part of the show fo=r me!
I would also like to see using the truck as a generator for use in the field to run tools and as a generator for your home, not necessarily with the added "Home Kit" but as a simple generator replacement. Having such huge batteries available in case of emergencies or field use is a definite selling point for these vehicles
I would like to know about two items: the headlighting and night / rain /snow / fog weather driving and do this vehicles have reverse parking cameras?
Happy to share on our pages and groups ! Great job Connor and team !
Highway range/efficiency at Max payload (not towing).
Idea, Can you show how easy or hard it is to hitch up a trailer to these trucks. Looking for info on camera assistance, built in brake controllers, software to tow, chassis adjustment, trailer plug location, ass squat with a trailer hooked up.
Just the best channel there is. Greetings from Germany!
Leverage the trucks as a versatile mobile workshop for tackling DIY projects at home, while also serving as a convenient means for transporting materials from hardware stores and picking up groceries from the store, even when you just remembered that you need to pick them up.
Not related, but it’s time for another beak update. Did the service on the coolant valve help the charging curve?
In regards to the trucks, can you throw in the cost of charging? This can vary depending on cost per kWh, but gives a good roundabout number.
I would love a flat tow with a medium sized boat, maybe a bass boat. Thousands of people around the country have skiffs, flats boats, bay boats, or bass boats. These are typically single or dual axle trailers that weigh anywhere from 1000 to 5000ish lbs (when loaded with gear and fuel) on the trailer. These boats are built for efficiency or speed on the water (they’re not your average boxed utility trailer) so they may not impact range that much.
I would like to see an ergonomics test. So many people get in their trucks with water bottles, backpacks, and phones. Which is the best with storage space for those items, ease of opening the doors (like door handles) when your hands are full, getting it turned on and into gear, and setting out, along with parking it in tight parking spaces like are common on the coastal regions.
Hill climb off road challenge all of them!
just off the initial review I would go with chevy :)
Just a suggestion I think you should use the power on board systems to build a shed..... And obviously use the trucks to transport the materials. . Happy building
I'd love to see how different trailers affect the trucks differently! E.g. A flatbed trailer will tow much easier and be a lot less of a hit on mileage vs say an 8 foot cargo trailer with a large frontal square footage area. Also headlight pattern tests!
So many "truck" owners barely use their full capabilities. A presentation of a week in the life of a typical American truck owner would go a long way in dispelling range fears. Daily drives to and from school to drop off kids or to and from work, then a weekend full of towing a boat or towing a trailer. Most people boat or weekend camp within the range of these vehicles so it would really show that these are very viable real world vehicles.
I would love to see an airstream towed by all of these. A 27-33ft model.
Would love to see an infotainment top 5 scored challenge. Time from start to usable backup camera, time to go from driving to turning on seat warmers with number of touches needed,tiime to change the radio channel, etc.
I, for one, am a guy with a light use-case. I've been getting by with an SUV for years. The things I need to know are how much construction tools you can fit in the frunk, how well it carries 8ft lumber and 4x8 sheet stock, how far it goes with a non-commercial trailer holding half a ton, and how efficiently it does those things in terms of power usage, in roughly that order.
240kw! Great Scott!!
Pretty excited for this! I second the 10% challenge....predict the Silverado to win that. Maybe also do some sort of cargo comparison and add in the EV9 to compare truck vs SUV.
Awesome video Out Od Spec. I would be so interested in seeing these trucks maximum payload in their beds. Somtimes it just makes more sense to use the pickup truck bed over a trailer. Can't wait to your test videos and happy trucking!
Would be great to hear more about how you feel in the cabin. View, comfort, ease, handling, safety, steering, and overall atmosphere . Thank you and look forward.
A payload test would be great to see how a similar load would fit in the bed for each, and then, how it would impact the range.
Would also like to see them off road to compare the dirt capability.
Ideas for testing .
1. how to determine which is the most good looking truck ,??
Side view , front view , overall view .
2.Perhaps , get a group of young adults say 10 to 16 in age , set them free on the trucks ,and give them proper tasks to complete , ask them to do mini reviews , but they have to back it up and give reasons why or there reviews will be scrapped.
See which truck they gravitate too.
Possible tasks ,
a.reverse up to a trailer and hitch up .
b.parallel park
c. perpendicular park
d. load two bicycle in the bed.
e.install childs seat
f. load a flat screen tv box , while carrying 3 kids home from school simulation.
g. kind of technical but change the front brake pads.
h. do all the above tasks with two seperate groups , half girls , half boys , observe which truck the two different
groups gravitate too.
i a interior cleaning task , which is the easiest to clean out .
j. simulate a flat tire , which truck is the easiest to change a spare wheel.
k. a makeout simulation, which is most suitable for courting couples after the movies..
l.which has the best setup for getting in and out of on a repeated basis , imagine 5 livestock gates in a row , have to pass through 5 gates , getting in and out as pass thru the gates open and shutting gates as pass thru each one , which truck has the best setup for that sequence.