I would still say Beerus in the manga is above Black Freiza, mainly because of Beerus age. Yes Beerus is lazy but we have to take into consideration how long Beerus has been a god of destruction, he would of have likely had millions of years worth of training under Whis at bare minimim. The only characters that have been compared to Beerus is Blue Vegito when he was charging his Final Kamehama and Broly according to Goku. Beerus told Vegeta that his power is limitless as well so its likely Beerus may still be stronger
I’m very interested in Buu’s potential, him just punching rocks for 2 hours made him rival if not surpass base Goku, I’m curious on how powerful he would be if he spent a day or 2 in the time chamber with Goku, and Vegeta. The only problem with that is that they would need a lot of candy for Buu, I’m sure Vegeta could use Bulma’s money to buy enough, that or they bring a crazy amount of senju beans.
I feel like Buu might be able to copy ultra instinct, and ultra ego, Buu’s nature is destruction, and he’s personally is not too different from Goku in super, but Buu’s more childish, and have potential that seem superior to Frieza’s, and he can instantly learn techniques, and abilities so I guess he’s more likely to learn them, and master them since Buu seem to always act on his instincts, and is a being created for destruction.
I think goku was pretty heavily surpressed vs buu then got caught off guard cause all that fight was is a quick spar. But yea buu has lots of potential and even more thanks to the grand supreme kai he has absorbed. Hopefully they do more with buu before he likely ends up fusing with uub
@@RaginDragn24 I think the only z warriors Goku was not trying against were the humans, 17 made Goku go into blue, and was still a challenge, and Buu faced Goku in base with Goku skipping the warm up, and just going into serious battle.
Frieza might end up as the strongest, but I think ultimately his over confidence will yet again be his downfall, like on Namek. He likes to toy with his opponents a little to much. Now if he was more like Trunks when we first saw him, and just got the job done, it would be a completely different story. It's always nice to see you uploading. Thanks for the video!
I honestly don't think that Black Frieza is stronger than Beerus. Black Frieza definitely one shot Goku and Vegeta at their peak powers in the Granolah arc, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he can defeat Beerus. Despite their strides, Goku and Vegeta are currently not at the level of Beerus, and there's currently no plan to have them surpass Beerus currently. Not to mention that the oracle fish stated that Goku and Vegeta are destined to be Beerus' strongest rivals, not Frieza. Beerus has been a constant moving goal post for Goku and Vegeta, no matter how strong they get. That has to factor into how Black Frieza compares to Beerus. I also think that Gogeta or Vegito can defeat can Black Frieza. I even think that Whis, any of his siblings, the grand priest, and either version of Zeno can defeat Black Frieza too. Black Frieza may have currently surpassed any of the non-fused mortals and even a good portion of the gods of destruction, but not the Goku and Vegeta fusions, or Beerus, or the angels, or the grand priest, and especially not the grand Zenos.
I’m surprised he placed Vegeta over Goku, than again apparently the beat down from both Gas, and Frieza did make him grow far stronger, but nothing came out of it.
I don't know about the manga scaling, but it's pretty obvious that Broly in his Super debut is relative to Beerus, and Gogeta surpassed Beerus already. I can't wait for Toyotaro to inevitably contradict and ruin this scaling if he hasn't already, because both him and Sleepy Tori are horribly inconsistent writers.
Honestly I am totally disconnected with Super that I appreciate this videos to keep myself updated. I never really liked Freezer and I would not keep him around but I don't make dragon ball and I guess as long as he fights along Goku I have no problem
Black Frieza is definitely a monster, but if he is stronger than Beerus, he won’t be for long. If Im not mistaking, mastery of Ultra Ego causes Beerus to have boundless power. This may also explain why despite the unbelievable improvements Goku and co have made, they cant seem to catch Beerus.
If berrus can even make freeza use 50% then that must mean that 1 berrus was using not even 1% of his power against goku in the battle of gods arc or 2 berrus can transform on top of training
Tbh if he did not go in a time chamber he should have 10 years in time chamber might actually get him closer to being beerus level Im sure he’s not that close.. Idk the power scaling wacky so…
Personally, I don’t think Freeza had his massive potential, and he only got that amp during the R.O.F Saga but afterword’s had at least a bit greater then average potential. In R.O.F Saga, he could’ve gotten that BIG boost in R.O.F Saga because he never trained his whole life (I think). Plus he lived for so long (sort off), not sure how old he is but he could’ve been more then half a century old. So his strenght and power could’ve got massively amplified from experiencing constant pain from training daily, especially during 4 month’s. I personally think at the end of the Boo Saga Kakkaroto/Gokou & Prince Vegeta could’ve been at 3.4E12. Then in R.O.F Saga, their Base’s are like million’s of time’s stronger because the whole God absorbed in Base. So Freeza’s power has gotten million’s or billion’s of time’s stronger in his Base for 4 month’s. However, going foward he doesn’t seem’s to get as big of an amp, if not just as much as the other character’s. Plus the Sayia-Jin doesn’t get a Zenkai boost since the Kakkaroto/Gokou Black Saga, yet they were equal in the T.O.P Saga. Just want to point out, in the anime, Tagoma was beating Piccoro Jr, who could be stronger then 2nd Form Cell by that point, if not Perfectto Cell but it’s probably a bit of a stretch. So whatever training he had in those 10 year’s in another dimension, could’ve had a regular boost in power. Plus whatever’s gonna happen in the next Saga, will probably have Freeza beaten. This is my opinion.
This is why I was facepalming when Goku was willing to let Frieza go after he reached golden.....This man casually reached a level higher then yours after only a few months of training, you have been at this your whole life and trained with the first and second strongest beings in your universe and this man pretty much just did 30 minutes of cardio in comparison and you want to let him go and train for anther month, come back, take you out, you your friends and your family?!!
(This comment is just the same as the last one, but more in-depth) I don’t think Freeza has this “tremendous potential”. In his 1st ever boost from training, it’s unknown how strong he get’s because (to me) it require’s head-cannon Power-Level’s from Z (which I’ll put in my reply). I put Kakkarotto/Gokou & Prince Vegeta at 3.6E12 in the Boo Saga and they get even stronger going forward in Super. I say in the manga, Kakkarotto/Gokou is x8 stronger due to not going S.S-J.3 in that little vision. Prince Vegeta could be x1.25 stronger due training more then Kakkaroto/Gokou who had to do his job. R.O.F Saga could’ve had them at x20 (72E12). Freeza could be at (6E13), which make’s him x500,000 in total. Since he trained for 4 month’s and gained x500,000, training for a year would make him x1,500,000. Training for 10 year’s would make him 5.7665039063E61 which is completely unlikely. In the anime, Kakkarotto/Gokou absorbed the strength of S.S-J.God into his Base. So Freeza’s Base power possibly got more then a billion time’s stronger from training 4 month’s, which is too much going forward. In the anime, Tagoma managed to blitz through Piccoro Jr, who should be stronger then 2nd Form Cell by this point due to training. So Freeza wasn’t the only one who got a massive boost in power from 4 month’s. In the manga, the Sayia-Jin duo stopped getting Zenkai’s, or at least as much Zenkai’s. So they have to rely on getting stronger from battle or training. But they manage to be equal to Freeza, and he trained for more then a year which I said, is x3 more the amount he trained prior. So what I think happened was that Freeza got that big boost from his 1st time training. Possibly due to his body not experiencing pain from constant training, especially from 4 month’s. He said he never trained before in the anime, and since he never trained before, we need to know how old Freeza was from his birth to O.G Namek. It’s unknown, but guessing he’s possibly he’s more then 50 year’s old when he battled Kakkarotto/Gokou. So this could support my theory (aka guessing) that his body is experiencing pain for the 1st time, from training, which he never trained for more 50 year’s. So this could strengthen his body and maybe make it durable. So I currently think he has at least greater then average potential. Plus I think he never said anything in the Granolah Saga, about using his massive potential while training, or something like that. So yee I don’t think Freeza has this “massive potential”. This what I think.
I disagree that goku at the beginning of the granolah arc and even end of the arc is stronger than Gogeta blue from the Broly movie. Fusion is broken and Gogeta didn’t even demonstrate his full power in the film. I do think black Frieza is incredibly powerful and can land some solid shots on beerus but still ultimately comes up short
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Beerus has been honing ultra ego for millions of years, and knows ultra instinct. No one's surpassing him anytime soon
He doesn’t know full ultra instinct his version was worse than ui omen
That’s flawed logic, age doesn’t matter as Roshi is far older than Goku but is no where near his level
I would still say Beerus in the manga is above Black Freiza, mainly because of Beerus age. Yes Beerus is lazy but we have to take into consideration how long Beerus has been a god of destruction, he would of have likely had millions of years worth of training under Whis at bare minimim.
The only characters that have been compared to Beerus is Blue Vegito when he was charging his Final Kamehama and Broly according to Goku. Beerus told Vegeta that his power is limitless as well so its likely Beerus may still be stronger
good analysis mate :)
I’m very interested in Buu’s potential, him just punching rocks for 2 hours made him rival if not surpass base Goku, I’m curious on how powerful he would be if he spent a day or 2 in the time chamber with Goku, and Vegeta. The only problem with that is that they would need a lot of candy for Buu, I’m sure Vegeta could use Bulma’s money to buy enough, that or they bring a crazy amount of senju beans.
I feel like Buu might be able to copy ultra instinct, and ultra ego, Buu’s nature is destruction, and he’s personally is not too different from Goku in super, but Buu’s more childish, and have potential that seem superior to Frieza’s, and he can instantly learn techniques, and abilities so I guess he’s more likely to learn them, and master them since Buu seem to always act on his instincts, and is a being created for destruction.
Buu does have incredible potential and I feel its a shame that they write him out of most things
@@KaioshinCurt yeah, it’s a shame.
I think goku was pretty heavily surpressed vs buu then got caught off guard cause all that fight was is a quick spar.
But yea buu has lots of potential and even more thanks to the grand supreme kai he has absorbed. Hopefully they do more with buu before he likely ends up fusing with uub
@@RaginDragn24 I think the only z warriors Goku was not trying against were the humans, 17 made Goku go into blue, and was still a challenge, and Buu faced Goku in base with Goku skipping the warm up, and just going into serious battle.
Frieza might end up as the strongest, but I think ultimately his over confidence will yet again be his downfall, like on Namek. He likes to toy with his opponents a little to much. Now if he was more like Trunks when we first saw him, and just got the job done, it would be a completely different story. It's always nice to see you uploading. Thanks for the video!
thank you for watching mate :)
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I honestly don't think that Black Frieza is stronger than Beerus. Black Frieza definitely one shot Goku and Vegeta at their peak powers in the Granolah arc, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he can defeat Beerus. Despite their strides, Goku and Vegeta are currently not at the level of Beerus, and there's currently no plan to have them surpass Beerus currently. Not to mention that the oracle fish stated that Goku and Vegeta are destined to be Beerus' strongest rivals, not Frieza. Beerus has been a constant moving goal post for Goku and Vegeta, no matter how strong they get. That has to factor into how Black Frieza compares to Beerus. I also think that Gogeta or Vegito can defeat can Black Frieza. I even think that Whis, any of his siblings, the grand priest, and either version of Zeno can defeat Black Frieza too. Black Frieza may have currently surpassed any of the non-fused mortals and even a good portion of the gods of destruction, but not the Goku and Vegeta fusions, or Beerus, or the angels, or the grand priest, and especially not the grand Zenos.
I agree Beerus must be far stronger
great analysis mate :)
@@KaioshinCurt thanks for the compliment.
I’m surprised he placed Vegeta over Goku, than again apparently the beat down from both Gas, and Frieza did make him grow far stronger, but nothing came out of it.
I don't know about the manga scaling, but it's pretty obvious that Broly in his Super debut is relative to Beerus, and Gogeta surpassed Beerus already.
I can't wait for Toyotaro to inevitably contradict and ruin this scaling if he hasn't already, because both him and Sleepy Tori are horribly inconsistent writers.
yes they write themselves into a corner at times with the powerscaling hahah
Wrong.
Gogeta can still one-shot black frieza, but that fight wouldn't happen because of vegeta's stuborness with fusing.
Honestly I am totally disconnected with Super that I appreciate this videos to keep myself updated.
I never really liked Freezer and I would not keep him around but I don't make dragon ball and I guess as long as he fights along Goku I have no problem
thanks Saiya :) I'm happy I can help you be updated
Black Frieza is definitely a monster, but if he is stronger than Beerus, he won’t be for long. If Im not mistaking, mastery of Ultra Ego causes Beerus to have boundless power. This may also explain why despite the unbelievable improvements Goku and co have made, they cant seem to catch Beerus.
If berrus can even make freeza use 50% then that must mean that 1 berrus was using not even 1% of his power against goku in the battle of gods arc or 2 berrus can transform on top of training
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Tbh if he did not go in a time chamber he should have 10 years in time chamber might actually get him closer to being beerus level Im sure he’s not that close.. Idk the power scaling wacky so…
Personally, I don’t think Freeza had his massive potential, and he only got that amp during the R.O.F Saga but afterword’s had at least a bit greater then average potential.
In R.O.F Saga, he could’ve gotten that BIG boost in R.O.F Saga because he never trained his whole life (I think).
Plus he lived for so long (sort off), not sure how old he is but he could’ve been more then half a century old.
So his strenght and power could’ve got massively amplified from experiencing constant pain from training daily, especially during 4 month’s.
I personally think at the end of the Boo Saga Kakkaroto/Gokou & Prince Vegeta could’ve been at 3.4E12.
Then in R.O.F Saga, their Base’s are like million’s of time’s stronger because the whole God absorbed in Base.
So Freeza’s power has gotten million’s or billion’s of time’s stronger in his Base for 4 month’s.
However, going foward he doesn’t seem’s to get as big of an amp, if not just as much as the other character’s.
Plus the Sayia-Jin doesn’t get a Zenkai boost since the Kakkaroto/Gokou Black Saga, yet they were equal in the T.O.P Saga.
Just want to point out, in the anime, Tagoma was beating Piccoro Jr, who could be stronger then 2nd Form Cell by that point, if not Perfectto Cell but it’s probably a bit of a stretch.
So whatever training he had in those 10 year’s in another dimension, could’ve had a regular boost in power.
Plus whatever’s gonna happen in the next Saga, will probably have Freeza beaten.
This is my opinion.
great analysis mate :) Frieza will definitely get beaten down soon
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I’m gonna make a 2nd comment explaining more why I think this, same points but more in-depth.
This is why I was facepalming when Goku was willing to let Frieza go after he reached golden.....This man casually reached a level higher then yours after only a few months of training, you have been at this your whole life and trained with the first and second strongest beings in your universe and this man pretty much just did 30 minutes of cardio in comparison and you want to let him go and train for anther month, come back, take you out, you your friends and your family?!!
(This comment is just the same as the last one, but more in-depth)
I don’t think Freeza has this “tremendous potential”.
In his 1st ever boost from training, it’s unknown how strong he get’s because (to me) it require’s head-cannon Power-Level’s from Z (which I’ll put in my reply).
I put Kakkarotto/Gokou & Prince Vegeta at 3.6E12 in the Boo Saga and they get even stronger going forward in Super.
I say in the manga, Kakkarotto/Gokou is x8 stronger due to not going S.S-J.3 in that little vision.
Prince Vegeta could be x1.25 stronger due training more then Kakkaroto/Gokou who had to do his job.
R.O.F Saga could’ve had them at x20 (72E12).
Freeza could be at (6E13), which make’s him x500,000 in total.
Since he trained for 4 month’s and gained x500,000, training for a year would make him x1,500,000.
Training for 10 year’s would make him 5.7665039063E61 which is completely unlikely.
In the anime, Kakkarotto/Gokou absorbed the strength of S.S-J.God into his Base.
So Freeza’s Base power possibly got more then a billion time’s stronger from training 4 month’s, which is too much going forward.
In the anime, Tagoma managed to blitz through Piccoro Jr, who should be stronger then 2nd Form Cell by this point due to training.
So Freeza wasn’t the only one who got a massive boost in power from 4 month’s.
In the manga, the Sayia-Jin duo stopped getting Zenkai’s, or at least as much Zenkai’s.
So they have to rely on getting stronger from battle or training.
But they manage to be equal to Freeza, and he trained for more then a year which I said, is x3 more the amount he trained prior.
So what I think happened was that Freeza got that big boost from his 1st time training.
Possibly due to his body not experiencing pain from constant training, especially from 4 month’s.
He said he never trained before in the anime, and since he never trained before, we need to know how old Freeza was from his birth to O.G Namek.
It’s unknown, but guessing he’s possibly he’s more then 50 year’s old when he battled Kakkarotto/Gokou.
So this could support my theory (aka guessing) that his body is experiencing pain for the 1st time, from training, which he never trained for more 50 year’s.
So this could strengthen his body and maybe make it durable.
So I currently think he has at least greater then average potential.
Plus I think he never said anything in the Granolah Saga, about using his massive potential while training, or something like that.
So yee I don’t think Freeza has this “massive potential”.
This what I think.
I disagree that goku at the beginning of the granolah arc and even end of the arc is stronger than Gogeta blue from the Broly movie. Fusion is broken and Gogeta didn’t even demonstrate his full power in the film. I do think black Frieza is incredibly powerful and can land some solid shots on beerus but still ultimately comes up short
enjoyed reading your thoughts Earl :)
@@KaioshinCurt nice breakdown video. You delayed with uploading tho 😂
Thanks mate :) yes I'm sorry about that. life has had a lot of time pressures. I'm always trying to be a serious youtuber
@@KaioshinCurt hey things happen no rush
@@KaioshinCurt can you do a video on how strong an ultra ego Broly would be
stronger than ultra instinct ultra ego gogeta?!
I swear to Dende if Beerus is still somehow stronger. I'm gonna lose it
It’s Super, what do you think would happen.
Black freezer is not beating Gogeta bro
nah i strongly believe black frieza is above beerus