Something often overlooked from the community. At this time I only get review laptops from Eluktronics, HIDevolution and Gigabyte. I’m trying to get some from HP. Lenovo, Dell and Acer are not an option at this time. Over the course of my channel I have bought the majority of my laptops to review. I couldn’t afford this then and I certainly can’t now. There’s ZERO backend cash from manufacturers to make these videos. It’s RUclips and Amazon, that’s it. So far this year I’ve covered an Alienware 51m, Clevo P775, MSI GT76 Titan, Aero 17 (late last year) and both MAX laptops from Eluktronics. It’s not easy trying to get review units as a small channel. While the big channels get bigger mine limps along. So before you go busting my balls realize you probably don’t really understand how this works.
Most people probably don’t pay attention to you sub number and just base it on your videos. And too be fair you’re a lot more thorough than many of the big wigs in the tech world. That being said I still see a lot of people asking for free hand outs to reviewers as they think they just get these machines for free to keep. So a lot of silly minded folk out there. You may not be able to review every laptop out there, but you do a lot of the high profile ones that people are interested in. So there’s plenty of information on you channel to make informed decisions. 😉
Cockleton It would only be through HIDevolution. Asus doesn’t send units direct. They come from 3rd party sources. Same with MSI. There’s a few exceptions but they’re few and far between.
You are the B.O.A.T! Thank you for this disclosure. Like many that consume YT, I not only have no clue what goes into content creation, but even less clue about the payout and reward structure. I personally have found your content extremely useful and informative. I hope you can find some mainstream success so that you can continue to do what you love to do. Thank you for all the effort you put in!
Thank you so much for giving us this reviews, as others say, I prefer your reviews more than the "big channels". Hope you would find a way to increase your audience.
Bob, just want to thank you for your videos. I chose an Eluktronics Max-15 covert because of your coverage of gaming laptops, and it's one of my favourite computers ever. Your channel is criminally underrated and I hope you get the recognition you deserve for your effort.
Holy shit man .... I’m an architecture student in Greece and really everything here is expensive and outdated. Thanks for the video. I don’t know about this company. Looks great they also ship to Greece and it’s really the same money but way better than everything else here
Great review, this helped me make my laptop purchase decision. I finally pulled the trigger on the Max-15 with the RTX 2060. Loving it so far, best all-around laptop IMO. No issues with Windows Hello on the chin cam. Great build quality, very lightweight. I get 6 hours of casual use on battery. I got the liquid metal upgrade and highly recommend it. I get great thermals after hours of gameplay in RDR2 getting 70-80 FPS on high settings (under 75C for both CPU and GPU). I did set a custom voltage curve on the GPU to remove power limiting and undervolt the CPU to -.125V. I run the game on Turbo mode, auto fan, and limit the CPU to 45 W. Very happy with the device, as long as you are willing to do some tweaking, but this is to be expected with laptops in general.
@@kenjithemilkman When you say you are not happy with the performance, can you elaborate how so? What games are you playing, what applications are you running, and what temperatures are you seeing? What performance modes are you using, and have you done any tweaking? I used Throttlestop to: undervolt the CPU by -.125V, set PL1 and PL2 to 45 watts, capped the maximum CPU boost clock speeds to 4.0 GHz. Using MSI voltage curve editor I capped the GPU clock speed to 1575 MHz at .793V. Your mileage may vary with the voltage curve settings and you will have to dial that in according to what works for you. Bob of All Trades has tutorials on using both pieces of software mentioned above. Also, I use Turbo mode when I play games. The MAX-15 has a relatively thin chassis compared to the MECH-15, in order to achieve thermal reduction you will have to do some tweaking to tame the CPU and GPU. I believe the MAX-15 can run both Performance and Turbo modes up to 100 watts on the CPU, this is a lot of power and in my opinion way too much for this laptop to handle. If you don't feel like going to such lengths to tweak your laptop, maybe you can try running on Office mode, I believe that limits the CPU to 35 watts and should reduce temperatures.
@@maxshwang oi have the equivalent of the Max 15, with 10875h and 2070 with liquid metal. Im just trying to keep temperatures under 70c because im not a big fan of fan noise. i set undervolt to around -0.136 @ 4.0 but the temps are a little toasty to say the least.... around 75c during gaming by my standards (on max fan its around 72c) at this setting dota 2 runs at around 140-170 fps which is great actually haha. For the amount i paid for this laptop i expected alot more, because I have a 2700x with a 1080ti. Should have done alot more research, honestly would have been pretty satisfied with a 1660ti laptop. Anyways I'm still happy, just its my fault i didnt go in-depth on undervolting etc before buying my first gaming laptop. Before I saw your reply i didnt even know undervolt was possible on this model, because of Comet lake lock etc but apparently Throttlestop works
@@kenjithemilkman Oh I have different hardware, I've got the 9750H and 2060. So right there your components will run hotter than mine out of the box. In RDR2, my CPU is running
@@maxshwang I expected the MAX 15 to be alot thinner, around the level of the macbook, alas it wasnt.. Id be happier with the equivalent of a Mech 15 honestly (other models don't offer liquid metal). with the 10875 cranked to 4.1 Ghz on Throttlestop and on max fans plus laptop cooler it maxes out at about 80-81C which is stil pretty great when i run modern warfare at about 100fps-150 fps depending on what is happening on screen. on dota2 its about similar which is 100 fps-180fps depend on what happens on screen. Got the GPU at 1620mhz clock at 0.786v and it doesnt even hit 70C on dota2. Only Doom Eternal and Modern warfare works the cards. I'm actually really happy with my purchase, this laptop runs at the same level as my 2700x and 1080ti and gets the same frames (except PC is on 1440 instead of 1080p). Im not getting a laptop without liquid metal again. Its very impressive. if i want to run it around 70c id just clock it to 3.9 or 3.8 and theres only a few less frames.
I agree that it makes sense to apply liquid metal , if helps the CPU hold a higher boost clock in CPU grunt work and maintain reasonable temps. When the watts is lower the lower CPU temp will help lower the GPU temperature too . For a $50 upgrade it's a no brainer in my opinion.
Used to be power per watts.. but now we got these slim tiny dam chasis that change the game size efficiency cooling and balance todays performance machines. Love this ideology because it works. Great little machine Bob.
Bummer it doesn't have thunderbolt 3, such a little thing is making me choose the mag instead. Great reviews. You have been a wealth of information in my hunt for a new laptop... Which I desperately need (currently running a 2011 mac book pro that served me well.... But is showing its age)
Hi there, I was interested in the MSI Prestige 15 but then I came across this and I'm thinking of going with this instead. How has your experience been so far?
My Time Spy for MAG-15 2070MQ is 7606/6588, so 1% higher GPU and 3% lower CPU score, in Eluktroboost mode, but this was from idle and I wasn't running Afterburner to monitor temps during the test; I'll re-run the test after heatsoaking the laptop with Heaven immediately prior to the Time Spy run to see the performance impact.
I put IC Diamond 7 on this laptop (Tongfang GK5CP0Y) and got the very great temperature, no thermal throttling and others. Its much better than using the Kryonaut. However this laptop still having the power draining issue which can only stand arnd 4-4.5 hrs for the normal usage (not gaming)..
Well explained on the CPU power limit cap+GPU undervolting part. Though I do notice that it has 85C cap for CPU in Game mode when GPU is stressed at the same time.
There’s one thing I’ve learned over the last three years is that a software update could roll out change the stuff at any time. So I try to balance out the explanation best as I can while keeping that in mind. Nothings worse than spending all this time on a review and then a month later it’s no longer relevant. That’s part of the reason it took me three weeks to review the MAG 15. We were doing so many changes on the backend and it still changed after my review.
I’ve noticed that the mag 15 and max 15 are very similar laptops. Which would you say is the better laptop considering the differences? I really like both laptops for their portability but can’t choose one.
Great review Bob. It would have been nice if this laptop would have come out earlier in the GPU refresh cycle. Next gen AMD laptops are right around the corner.
Still so torn between the max 15/17 and the Mag 15.. Leaning toward the Max17 with the 1660 for the best overall value since I don't need the best graphics performance
impressive, looks like mobile solutions have for sure crossed the threshold of being more than sufficient for most workloads. wonder where we go from here.
I really cant decide between the Mag 15 and Max 15, price isn't an issues really. What would you go with Bob? Also, just wanted to thank you so much for your videos, you taught me how to do my first thermal paste swap, and I'd never even really opened a computer before. Literally because I had done that, I was talking to a customer at my job ( I worked at a smoke shop) and mentioned to him that I changed the thermal paste on my CPU, turns out that he was an IT contractor and he offered me a job a few weeks later because he saw that I had an interest in this stuff. Now a year later I am an IT contractor and making three times as much $$$ haha all because of you Bob! So yeah: Mag or Max 15 which would you go with?
spaceopera87 Nice are they hiring? Lol 😢 The new MAX line has a MUX switch and 240hz along with an 8 core CPU so that’s pretty awesome. The MAG isn’t getting those updates at least not anytime soon, if at all. Did you see my overview comparison between these laptops?
@@BobOfAllTrades I did and honestly I still can't decide haha. Mag has Wifi 6 which is sweet which the MAX doesn't seem to have, per key lighting which I like because, well, I'm a child and need more RGB. MAX has a better body design, less lips and ridges, is lighter but that damn webcam below the screen ahhhhh I hate it. Plus the MAG has that new keyboard which kinda scares me.
I have been looking at the 15 and 17. I will probably end up with the 15 thanks to this video. One thing, I don’t think they will do liquid metal on the gpu. The liquid metal states it will be mastergel on the gpu, I believe. Either way it’s better but maybe I’m wrong.
Awesome review as always, Bob. I am really tempted to go with the Max. How do you value it against the Mag? The Max seems lighter, but the battery seems a bit better in the Mag. When compared to other brands like ASUS, MSI, and Razer, the value here seems incredible with the RAM and storage. I have been debating the new Macbook Pro 16" as I do a good bit of coding for work and like to edit media on the side, but damn is it expensive for the specs. Having to load into bootcamp to play games I love like Anno 1800 is a bummer too.
Blake Neyland The 16” MBP looks pretty good for the specs if you find the right sale. Just the other day you could get it with an i9, 1tb storage and 5500m for $2300. Have you seen this video to help people get started when considering the MAX and MAG? ruclips.net/video/7xzqtoB-PS4/видео.html
@@BobOfAllTrades yea, the 5500M is somewhat comparable to a GTX1650 so I have been thinking about it. The cost to upgrade to 32 GB RAM and 2 TB storage is pretty high though. I actually did watch your other video after you put it here. Actually super helpful and theax seems to be the better choice. Thanks again!
@@BobOfAllTrades the macbook pro 16" is what I was looking at too, but for 32gb of ram and 2 tb ssd... it's coming out $4008 vs. MAG 15 getting to $2003.
If they kept the per key rgb mechanical keyboard and webcam at the top would've been a deal breaker for me. I think I'll stick to getting the mag 15 or 17
Hi Bob, I am looking at the FireStrike benchmark scores you posted. Max 17 score was around 16100 Max 15 score here is around 17300 That is a HUGE difference, did you just run them under different power settings? Thanks again for your AMAZING work.
Hey Bob, GPU undervolting question here With MSI Aterburner's voltage curve editor, am I essentially locking the clock speed at a certain rate at all times? Was just wondering if it was safe to keep my 1080 Max-Q at 1468 MHz at idle as well as during games. Also, how would one go about undervolting an overclockable mobile GPU? From my understanding it pushes the clock rate a bit higher, but MSI Voltage Curve Editor locks the Clock Rate. Or am I severely misunderstanding something here?
I reviewed that laptop and it’s going to be hard to improve thermals without limiting the CPU clock speed and UV the GPU. This isn’t the video you should be watching 👍
@@RexGalilae Yeah, I've watched all 4 videos between Steve and Bob..multiple times lol. Too bad Jarrod couldn't get his has on one to finalize the triple treat scope of focus. Still honestly not sure, but I think I want the 2070 and ignore eluktroboost until I need the CPU power... or wait until the 2070 super with 10th gen version in June-September area lol Curious on that actually Thanks though mate!
great video! any plans in review the new omen 15? i would like to know your opinion about it because the performance is very similar to the max 15 based on my experience with mine.
Hey Bob good videos as always. I just want to know if the 200+ dollars of the max 17 is worth against the max 15 just for the tb3 port and the bigger battery/ screen size can't decide between these beautiful machines
Mine is scheduled to arrive this coming Wednesday. I went with one of the 'ready to ship' models they have since it had the RAM and SSD combination I wanted, though there wasn't the option to upgrade the thermal paste to liquid metal. I'm curious as to how the model with the 2060 Max-P and Eluktroboost performs compared to the one with the 2070 Max-P and no Eluktroboost.
Congratulations! Both pull 115w so thermal performance should be similar. Ambient temps and software will dictate stock thermal performance for you at this point 👌
What's good I need you help I have a max 15 with the I7 9750h and rtx 2070 max p but I just can't get it tuned right can you help me I don't know what to do I have undervolted to 50- to 0 my best is -39 I just feel that there can be better performance from this pc
Replaced two 8gb ram sticks and SSD for OS in my older 13r3 laptop , now it's running hotter , I can't figure out why. It's not hot as in thermally limited , just hotter than it used to ran. It used to sit in the mid 30s-low 40s just browsing youtube etc. Now it sits in the mid 50s and there is always a 10-14 temp difference between core #1 and core #3. Showing 73c high for core #1 and 60c high for core #3 , why the 17 degree difference? Perhaps a repaste and flush out the fans is in order.
Yes that’s right. Now that your CPU can properly feed the GPU expect higher temps. Very normal actually. Temp differential is really bad on the laptops apparently. Look it up as there’s several dedicated discussions about it.
Hey Bob love the vids. After following your undervolt tutorials I must have changed a driver setting from control panel like vertical sync ON. But I now have a hard time getting above 20 fps on new star wars game, and a whopping 60 fp on WoW when before I was able to reach 110-200 fps on that potato game. So I Uninstalled throttle stop and had previously deleted the ini file too... I reinstalled all my drivers and still only getting low fps. What steps would you recommend for me to fix my fps issues? I have i5-9300h with 1660ti gpu
Also I should add my Nvidia control panel seems to be missing many options when I see tutorials on optimization. I only see 3d settings with adjust image, manage 3d settings, and configure surround physx. The tutorials I see show display settings and so much more?
Hey bob, should I wait for G14 or just buy this now? Also, could you get Total War: Three Kingdoms and do a benchmark of it? I noticed that the games you benchmark isn't really demanding.
Will there be anyone reselling this in Australia? I’m not about to pay arround $700 extra dollars for shipping and taxes, might aswell buy a razer blade at that point 😐
No sorry, not on my dime. I spent too much money on their OP laptops and they’re having all sorts of issues according to comments on my channel. I won’t be going down that road again.
@@BobOfAllTrades The OP laptops IIRC got mostly good reviews, I mean even the big brands have tons of negative reviews on models. There's a reddit thread on the EVOO that's pretty promising. The price is stupid good for what you get, I don't think there's any better deal out there but I'd love to see an extensive review.
Hey Bob, I just had one question. While the GPU isn't running, you say that the CPU has a power limit of 100w. Is this wattage actually thermally sustainable? If so, this laptop seems like a no brainer for my use case.
Hi Bob, can you review the EVOO gaming laptops offered by Walmart. They're priced extremely low and I would love to see a teardown and review about them as I'm in the market for a gaming laptop with those specs.
No sorry, not on my dime. I spent too much money on their OP laptops and they’re having all sorts of issues according to comments on my channel. I won’t be going down that road again.
on this keyboard do the rgb lights shine through the key caps or just the base of the keys ? and if its just the base does it light up sufficiently for dim light usage? Really wish it had the keyboard of the mag!!!!!!!
Hey man I'm in a hurry to get a new laptop after my razer exploded to work on dev work and game. (as a razer fan boi since 2013 I highly recommended not getting the blade, it looks amazing but it's lifespan is shitty.) I'm torn between the mag and max 15, I can't stand big screens cause i feel like I'm in more control of a small screen (wtf?). I do all steps and fields of game dev (from music producing with ableton to map and model rendering to AI programming). I love both laptops and the max comes at every spec advantage (and price advantage!) with 2060 as to the 1660 mag thats the 100 dollars more. The biggest cons of the max are the dumbass camera, dumbass number pads, no ver with matte black and no logo, and absense of thunderbolt connection. Battery life is a big oof cause 3 hours is actually really bad. Thunderbolt is also big cause I use the Razer core gpu rig when rendering, but I'm pretty sure the 2060 on the max can really handle anything I give it. Can I get some advice? And will they ever release a ver of the max 15 in matte black, no logo, no numpad, with a thunderbolt?
@@BobOfAllTrades thanks for the prompt reply and it's alright then. I saw videos on the matrix RP 15 on your channel though. Would you reccomend that over this?
I haven't seen you mention VR performance (or viability) for any of the recent laptop reviews. Can any of these new laptops run VR games acceptably well??
I don’t have VR and it’s not too terribly popular unfortunately. At least not as a requested part of anything I’ve covered. I can’t wait for that to change! Then I could justify the purchase 👍
@@BobOfAllTrades You clearly haven't played Beat Saber. SO. MUCH. FUN! I only have a PSVR and while I am looking forward to the PS5 and its VR setup, I am looking to but a new gaming laptop and was just curious if any of these can run VR.
Please I have a question which do u think i should get for my daily driver Mag 17 or mag 15 Please I want to order it hopefully u answer me as quick as possible
So since the max-15 can’t take advantage of electro boost for the 2070 max-p does that mean the Max-17 has the same limitation? That would hinder any reason to get a 2070 max-p model.
Besides being a Magensium Alloy chassis, the software (where you adjust different modes of performance etc) and the layout of the on/off as well as fan speed button just reminds me of the EVOO 15.6 (Walmart brand). The 1660TI version of that laptop goes frequently on sale for $799. The big question is: Is the Eluktronics version worth the price difference of at least $500 knowing that it is the same internals and software/performance experience...
@@BobOfAllTrades you're right! I just noticed its 115w, since it never said which version it was on their site. So which one do you think it's better overall
I'd take a bigger battery, lighter magnesium alloy build with a proper keyboard ergonomics personally. Especially the Battery and Keyboard. The build quality of both are very different from each other, but high-end :)
jesus giraldo MaxQ is a lower wattage variant initially designed to maintain lower fan acoustics. MaxP is the maximum performance variant for a laptop typically.
@@BobOfAllTrades Thank you for your help! The issue is I've already watched your amazing and informative videos many times, still can't decide. As I live in London I have to order the MAX-15 equivalent model from PCSpecialist, which is the Vyper III. The new model shows a 10875H 8 core CPU, mini-DP are gone replaced by a TB3 port which I discovered is tied to NVidia GPU luckily (need this for VR). I can't understand if PCS made any customisation to bios/software like Eluktronics did. Also, on PCS forum the MAX-15 keys lettering starts to wear after just 1 month of use, which isn't ideal. I like the MAG-15 keyboard deck and keys (I'm not a fan of translucent keys on MAX-15), the bigger battery. The big cons for me on the MAG-15 it's the older and less capable hardware. As I've planned to keep the machine for at least 3-5 years. The Max-P GPU in the MAX-15 is another big pro as well. For my usage, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, After FX, Capture One, Blender and AAA games I'd probably benefit from better specs on the MAX-15. I also prefer the darker grey finish on the MAX-15 than black on the Mag-15. Comparing the prices, the XMG Fusion 15 (MAG-15) with 2070 Max-Q costs me 1720 euros against 1630€ for the Vyper III (MAX-15), the last one with 3 years of warranty. From an economic standpoint the MAX-15 has more clear benefit in terms of power/money spent. Sorry for the long comment, hope this will help other users to make a decision in a similar situation.
@@BobOfAllTrades At the end I went for the MAX-15. I preferred the max performance, hoping the UK version of the chassis will allow to obtain a good level of performance with less throttling as possible. If I'll have the time I'll post a video with some thoughts and tests (I'll do my best as I'm not a reviewer!). I'll probably compare it on performance with an old 6th Skylake i5 to discover how much improvement there is in 5 generations of Intel CPUs in real world scenarios (Premiere Pro, Photoshop, Encoding, 3D, some gaming). Thanks for your time Bob!
I did and it’s like 1700/1200. Reason I didn’t share this because there’s different kinds of drives you can order with these so it depends on what you get. I’ve seen different sizes affect speeds as well. Know that it’s an NVMe and that it’s got decent read/right speeds.
Something often overlooked from the community. At this time I only get review laptops from Eluktronics, HIDevolution and Gigabyte. I’m trying to get some from HP. Lenovo, Dell and Acer are not an option at this time.
Over the course of my channel I have bought the majority of my laptops to review. I couldn’t afford this then and I certainly can’t now.
There’s ZERO backend cash from manufacturers to make these videos. It’s RUclips and Amazon, that’s it.
So far this year I’ve covered an Alienware 51m, Clevo P775, MSI GT76 Titan, Aero 17 (late last year) and both MAX laptops from Eluktronics.
It’s not easy trying to get review units as a small channel. While the big channels get bigger mine limps along. So before you go busting my balls realize you probably don’t really understand how this works.
Most people probably don’t pay attention to you sub number and just base it on your videos. And too be fair you’re a lot more thorough than many of the big wigs in the tech world.
That being said I still see a lot of people asking for free hand outs to reviewers as they think they just get these machines for free to keep. So a lot of silly minded folk out there.
You may not be able to review every laptop out there, but you do a lot of the high profile ones that people are interested in. So there’s plenty of information on you channel to make informed decisions. 😉
u gotta get that asus hookup
Cockleton It would only be through HIDevolution. Asus doesn’t send units direct. They come from 3rd party sources. Same with MSI. There’s a few exceptions but they’re few and far between.
You are the B.O.A.T! Thank you for this disclosure. Like many that consume YT, I not only have no clue what goes into content creation, but even less clue about the payout and reward structure. I personally have found your content extremely useful and informative. I hope you can find some mainstream success so that you can continue to do what you love to do. Thank you for all the effort you put in!
Thank you so much for giving us this reviews, as others say, I prefer your reviews more than the "big channels".
Hope you would find a way to increase your audience.
Aside from tech and all that, you're a really cool guy. Thank you for doing what you do 👍🏻
Bob, just want to thank you for your videos. I chose an Eluktronics Max-15 covert because of your coverage of gaming laptops, and it's one of my favourite computers ever. Your channel is criminally underrated and I hope you get the recognition you deserve for your effort.
Holy shit man .... I’m an architecture student in Greece and really everything here is expensive and outdated. Thanks for the video. I don’t know about this company. Looks great they also ship to Greece and it’s really the same money but way better than everything else here
Great review, this helped me make my laptop purchase decision. I finally pulled the trigger on the Max-15 with the RTX 2060. Loving it so far, best all-around laptop IMO. No issues with Windows Hello on the chin cam. Great build quality, very lightweight. I get 6 hours of casual use on battery. I got the liquid metal upgrade and highly recommend it. I get great thermals after hours of gameplay in RDR2 getting 70-80 FPS on high settings (under 75C for both CPU and GPU). I did set a custom voltage curve on the GPU to remove power limiting and undervolt the CPU to -.125V. I run the game on Turbo mode, auto fan, and limit the CPU to 45 W. Very happy with the device, as long as you are willing to do some tweaking, but this is to be expected with laptops in general.
are you able to document how you did this in detail? i have the same laptop but im not too happy with the performance.. and thermals
@@kenjithemilkman When you say you are not happy with the performance, can you elaborate how so? What games are you playing, what applications are you running, and what temperatures are you seeing? What performance modes are you using, and have you done any tweaking? I used Throttlestop to: undervolt the CPU by -.125V, set PL1 and PL2 to 45 watts, capped the maximum CPU boost clock speeds to 4.0 GHz. Using MSI voltage curve editor I capped the GPU clock speed to 1575 MHz at .793V. Your mileage may vary with the voltage curve settings and you will have to dial that in according to what works for you. Bob of All Trades has tutorials on using both pieces of software mentioned above. Also, I use Turbo mode when I play games. The MAX-15 has a relatively thin chassis compared to the MECH-15, in order to achieve thermal reduction you will have to do some tweaking to tame the CPU and GPU. I believe the MAX-15 can run both Performance and Turbo modes up to 100 watts on the CPU, this is a lot of power and in my opinion way too much for this laptop to handle. If you don't feel like going to such lengths to tweak your laptop, maybe you can try running on Office mode, I believe that limits the CPU to 35 watts and should reduce temperatures.
@@maxshwang oi have the equivalent of the Max 15, with 10875h and 2070 with liquid metal. Im just trying to keep temperatures under 70c because im not a big fan of fan noise. i set undervolt to around -0.136 @ 4.0 but the temps are a little toasty to say the least.... around 75c during gaming by my standards (on max fan its around 72c) at this setting dota 2 runs at around 140-170 fps which is great actually haha. For the amount i paid for this laptop i expected alot more, because I have a 2700x with a 1080ti. Should have done alot more research, honestly would have been pretty satisfied with a 1660ti laptop. Anyways I'm still happy, just its my fault i didnt go in-depth on undervolting etc before buying my first gaming laptop.
Before I saw your reply i didnt even know undervolt was possible on this model, because of Comet lake lock etc but apparently Throttlestop works
@@kenjithemilkman Oh I have different hardware, I've got the 9750H and 2060. So right there your components will run hotter than mine out of the box. In RDR2, my CPU is running
@@maxshwang I expected the MAX 15 to be alot thinner, around the level of the macbook, alas it wasnt.. Id be happier with the equivalent of a Mech 15 honestly (other models don't offer liquid metal). with the 10875 cranked to 4.1 Ghz on Throttlestop and on max fans plus laptop cooler it maxes out at about 80-81C which is stil pretty great when i run modern warfare at about 100fps-150 fps depending on what is happening on screen. on dota2 its about similar which is 100 fps-180fps depend on what happens on screen. Got the GPU at 1620mhz clock at 0.786v and it doesnt even hit 70C on dota2. Only Doom Eternal and Modern warfare works the cards. I'm actually really happy with my purchase, this laptop runs at the same level as my 2700x and 1080ti and gets the same frames (except PC is on 1440 instead of 1080p). Im not getting a laptop without liquid metal again. Its very impressive.
if i want to run it around 70c id just clock it to 3.9 or 3.8 and theres only a few less frames.
I agree that it makes sense to apply liquid metal , if helps the CPU hold a higher boost clock in CPU grunt work and maintain reasonable temps. When the watts is lower the lower CPU temp will help lower the GPU temperature too . For a $50 upgrade it's a no brainer in my opinion.
Hello ur my favorite keep doing what ur doing
You’re a Happy Person, my favorite kind 🙏
What It’s not a sticker and scratching it off would definitely compromise the aesthetic.
I'm glad Eluktronics is getting recognition. All reviewers must include the fan noise during normal gameplays though.
I revealed the fan noise, clearly included a the dB reading too. That is what was used.
@@BobOfAllTrades yeah no my apologies, I was just referring to most reviewers in general, not you.
Used to be power per watts.. but now we got these slim tiny dam chasis that change the game size efficiency cooling and balance todays performance machines. Love this ideology because it works. Great little machine Bob.
power per watts????????!!
@@ACE112ACE112 Yessss!
Oh sir Bobert back at it again with great content
Bob, love your work. Appreciate your time. Thank you, sir.
Concise and informative, I salute you Sir.
Smooth as Silk Bob
Bob ur the best 👍 u deserve way more subscribers
Bummer it doesn't have thunderbolt 3, such a little thing is making me choose the mag instead. Great reviews. You have been a wealth of information in my hunt for a new laptop... Which I desperately need (currently running a 2011 mac book pro that served me well.... But is showing its age)
what would you need a thunderbolt port for?
Smashing that like button on all your videos. Keep up the great work 👍💪
Quadzilla Thank you 🙏
Love your videos Bob! Just ordered a covert gamer Max-15. Can’t wait!
Hi there, I was interested in the MSI Prestige 15 but then I came across this and I'm thinking of going with this instead. How has your experience been so far?
Wow you reviewed both laptop's first. Now time for some rest and family time. Great reviews as always.
Thats a lot of power in a 15in. They need to add a mux switch to these like the legions. I'd buy one as my next laptop if they do.
Awesome review. Was waiting for this. It's nice but I am happy with my purchase of the Maingear Element (Mag-15).
The reason I don’t have to open up all my laptops 😂
Thank you for an awesome video 🙏🏼
I don't see how this is a reason. u can get upgraded thermal paste from eluktronics.
ACE112ACE112 the nerding he does quenches my need to open my own laptops
Would be great to see a comparison vs. MAG-15 with RTX 2070 Max-Q. Wondering how thermal throttling affects the difference between the two.
My Time Spy for MAG-15 2070MQ is 7606/6588, so 1% higher GPU and 3% lower CPU score, in Eluktroboost mode, but this was from idle and I wasn't running Afterburner to monitor temps during the test; I'll re-run the test after heatsoaking the laptop with Heaven immediately prior to the Time Spy run to see the performance impact.
Heatsoaked: 6221/6266 (18% lower GPU, 5% lower CPU). Heatsoaked + Benchmark mode (maxed fans): 6935/6281 (9% lower GPU than Eluktroboost mode, cold start, 5% lower CPU score)
And the keyboard sounds like this, tapping. I like it, thorough
I put IC Diamond 7 on this laptop (Tongfang GK5CP0Y) and got the very great temperature, no thermal throttling and others. Its much better than using the Kryonaut. However this laptop still having the power draining issue which can only stand arnd 4-4.5 hrs for the normal usage (not gaming)..
*champ in the title 😁 great video!
Thanks I did most of the description and title with my phone. It doesn’t always know what I want to say apparently 🤛
Would love to see the mag 15 with the black anodized finish and no logo the mag 17 has
Amazing laptop with keyboard update!!
i thought this was unbox therapy for a second lol
Well explained on the CPU power limit cap+GPU undervolting part. Though I do notice that it has 85C cap for CPU in Game mode when GPU is stressed at the same time.
There’s one thing I’ve learned over the last three years is that a software update could roll out change the stuff at any time. So I try to balance out the explanation best as I can while keeping that in mind. Nothings worse than spending all this time on a review and then a month later it’s no longer relevant.
That’s part of the reason it took me three weeks to review the MAG 15. We were doing so many changes on the backend and it still changed after my review.
I’ve noticed that the mag 15 and max 15 are very similar laptops. Which would you say is the better laptop considering the differences? I really like both laptops for their portability but can’t choose one.
So what I'm gathering here is that if I need a bigger battery, I go for the Mag-15 instead of the Max.
Are thermals batter on the Max though?
So maybe i should consider this instead of the G15?
Great review Bob. It would have been nice if this laptop would have come out earlier in the GPU refresh cycle. Next gen AMD laptops are right around the corner.
Still so torn between the max 15/17 and the Mag 15.. Leaning toward the Max17 with the 1660 for the best overall value since I don't need the best graphics performance
There you go 👍
Bob Of All Trades thank you for helping me make the best informed decision! Truly high quality content from you.
impressive, looks like mobile solutions have for sure crossed the threshold of being more than sufficient for most workloads. wonder where we go from here.
I really cant decide between the Mag 15 and Max 15, price isn't an issues really. What would you go with Bob? Also, just wanted to thank you so much for your videos, you taught me how to do my first thermal paste swap, and I'd never even really opened a computer before. Literally because I had done that, I was talking to a customer at my job ( I worked at a smoke shop) and mentioned to him that I changed the thermal paste on my CPU, turns out that he was an IT contractor and he offered me a job a few weeks later because he saw that I had an interest in this stuff. Now a year later I am an IT contractor and making three times as much $$$ haha all because of you Bob! So yeah: Mag or Max 15 which would you go with?
spaceopera87 Nice are they hiring? Lol 😢
The new MAX line has a MUX switch and 240hz along with an 8 core CPU so that’s pretty awesome.
The MAG isn’t getting those updates at least not anytime soon, if at all.
Did you see my overview comparison between these laptops?
@@BobOfAllTrades I did and honestly I still can't decide haha. Mag has Wifi 6 which is sweet which the MAX doesn't seem to have, per key lighting which I like because, well, I'm a child and need more RGB. MAX has a better body design, less lips and ridges, is lighter but that damn webcam below the screen ahhhhh I hate it. Plus the MAG has that new keyboard which kinda scares me.
The new MAX has a MUX switch which is a BIg deal and they come with WiFi 6 now too.
Does Max 17 have electroboost with 2070? How is the performance bump compared to the 2060 version.
There is no GPU eluktroboost for 2070 as it already runs on 115W, which is the thermal limit for a chassis this sslim
@@RexGalilae Now there is.
@@xFlared
No way lol. Sadly, I can't afford a 2070 Super with shipping as I don't live in the US
I have been looking at the 15 and 17. I will probably end up with the 15 thanks to this video.
One thing, I don’t think they will do liquid metal on the gpu. The liquid metal states it will be mastergel on the gpu, I believe. Either way it’s better but maybe I’m wrong.
Awesome review as always, Bob. I am really tempted to go with the Max. How do you value it against the Mag? The Max seems lighter, but the battery seems a bit better in the Mag.
When compared to other brands like ASUS, MSI, and Razer, the value here seems incredible with the RAM and storage. I have been debating the new Macbook Pro 16" as I do a good bit of coding for work and like to edit media on the side, but damn is it expensive for the specs. Having to load into bootcamp to play games I love like Anno 1800 is a bummer too.
Blake Neyland The 16” MBP looks pretty good for the specs if you find the right sale. Just the other day you could get it with an i9, 1tb storage and 5500m for $2300.
Have you seen this video to help people get started when considering the MAX and MAG? ruclips.net/video/7xzqtoB-PS4/видео.html
@@BobOfAllTrades yea, the 5500M is somewhat comparable to a GTX1650 so I have been thinking about it. The cost to upgrade to 32 GB RAM and 2 TB storage is pretty high though.
I actually did watch your other video after you put it here. Actually super helpful and theax seems to be the better choice. Thanks again!
@@BobOfAllTrades the macbook pro 16" is what I was looking at too, but for 32gb of ram and 2 tb ssd... it's coming out $4008 vs. MAG 15 getting to $2003.
I’m curious, what laptop did you buy?
@@rylei2727 i personally hunkered down and got the Mech 15 G3. Super excited to receive it!
What is the major differences between Mag 15 and this Max 15? I know the Mag 15 has a lot bigger battery, but what else?
If they kept the per key rgb mechanical keyboard and webcam at the top would've been a deal breaker for me. I think I'll stick to getting the mag 15 or 17
the webcam audio is really good
It’s definitely better than the MAX17 and thank you for noticing 👍
Bob Of All Trades You could have done the review with it.
Hi Bob, I am looking at the FireStrike benchmark scores you posted.
Max 17 score was around 16100
Max 15 score here is around 17300
That is a HUGE difference, did you just run them under different power settings?
Thanks again for your AMAZING work.
2060 vs 2070 both at 115w 🤷♂️
@@BobOfAllTrades I am sorry, I didn't realize that the Max 17 review was with a 2060. My bad.
Love the laptop, it even have fan control, but, I just hate the camera at the bottom
Why does this max 15 chassis rear ports look different than what is on Eluktronics site? It looks like you have the MB 15 in the video.
Hey Bob, GPU undervolting question here
With MSI Aterburner's voltage curve editor, am I essentially locking the clock speed at a certain rate at all times? Was just wondering if it was safe to keep my 1080 Max-Q at 1468 MHz at idle as well as during games.
Also, how would one go about undervolting an overclockable mobile GPU? From my understanding it pushes the clock rate a bit higher, but MSI Voltage Curve Editor locks the Clock Rate. Or am I severely misunderstanding something here?
Bob - I will be getting my max-15 with the 2070 i7-10870H - if my concern is thermals, what is your recommendations to ensure low temps while gaming?
I reviewed that laptop and it’s going to be hard to improve thermals without limiting the CPU clock speed and UV the GPU. This isn’t the video you should be watching 👍
So, max 17 with 2060 and eluktroboost or max 17 with 2070?
OwnOrDisown did a review on it and said that 2060 + Eluktroboost is on the same level as a 2070 overall
@@RexGalilae Yeah, I've watched all 4 videos between Steve and Bob..multiple times lol.
Too bad Jarrod couldn't get his has on one to finalize the triple treat scope of focus.
Still honestly not sure, but I think I want the 2070 and ignore eluktroboost until I need the CPU power... or wait until the 2070 super with 10th gen version in June-September area lol
Curious on that actually
Thanks though mate!
great video! any plans in review the new omen 15? i would like to know your opinion about it because the performance is very similar to the max 15 based on my experience with mine.
Only if my new contact at HP wants me to review one 👍
What is your take on its build quality? Thank you for the review.
Considering is weight it’s surprisingly rigid and strong 💪
Max15 has a mechanical keyboard?
Hey Bob, Max - 15 (w/2060) or MSI GS66 (w/2060)? I'm thinking the Elektroboost will make the difference!
Hey Bob good videos as always. I just want to know if the 200+ dollars of the max 17 is worth against the max 15 just for the tb3 port and the bigger battery/ screen size can't decide between these beautiful machines
The size difference is very noticeable and so is the battery life. Start there with your own personal wants and needs.
@@BobOfAllTrades thank you so much for the reply I would really prefer the bigger size screen
Why recommend using XTU and then actually changing it in the bios versus using throttlestop?
I looked up this laptop and it shows Eluktroboost customization available. Did they fix the thermals?
a bit surprised that u didnt get a unit with liquid metal
Does anyone know if there is a Europe variant of this laptop?
A reseller anywhere in the EU like XMG (they dont offer this particular model)
Mine is scheduled to arrive this coming Wednesday. I went with one of the 'ready to ship' models they have since it had the RAM and SSD combination I wanted, though there wasn't the option to upgrade the thermal paste to liquid metal. I'm curious as to how the model with the 2060 Max-P and Eluktroboost performs compared to the one with the 2070 Max-P and no Eluktroboost.
Congratulations! Both pull 115w so thermal performance should be similar. Ambient temps and software will dictate stock thermal performance for you at this point 👌
What does the eulktronics rtx 2080 super max-q wattage runs at? With eluktroboost!
What's good I need you help I have a max 15 with the I7 9750h and rtx 2070 max p but I just can't get it tuned right can you help me I don't know what to do I have undervolted to 50- to 0 my best is -39 I just feel that there can be better performance from this pc
Replaced two 8gb ram sticks and SSD for OS in my older 13r3 laptop , now it's running hotter , I can't figure out why. It's not hot as in thermally limited , just hotter than it used to ran.
It used to sit in the mid 30s-low 40s just browsing youtube etc. Now it sits in the mid 50s and there is always a 10-14 temp difference between core #1 and core #3. Showing 73c high for core #1 and 60c high for core #3 , why the 17 degree difference?
Perhaps a repaste and flush out the fans is in order.
Yes that’s right. Now that your CPU can properly feed the GPU expect higher temps. Very normal actually.
Temp differential is really bad on the laptops apparently. Look it up as there’s several dedicated discussions about it.
Hey Bob love the vids.
After following your undervolt tutorials I must have changed a driver setting from control panel like vertical sync ON. But I now have a hard time getting above 20 fps on new star wars game, and a whopping 60 fp on WoW when before I was able to reach 110-200 fps on that potato game.
So I Uninstalled throttle stop and had previously deleted the ini file too...
I reinstalled all my drivers and still only getting low fps.
What steps would you recommend for me to fix my fps issues?
I have i5-9300h with 1660ti gpu
Also I should add my Nvidia control panel seems to be missing many options when I see tutorials on optimization. I only see 3d settings with adjust image, manage 3d settings, and configure surround physx.
The tutorials I see show display settings and so much more?
Hey bob, should I wait for G14 or just buy this now?
Also, could you get Total War: Three Kingdoms and do a benchmark of it? I noticed that the games you benchmark isn't really demanding.
BFV online pushes thermal harder than any title relevant. It works the CPU, GPU and memory extremely hard.
what yours conclusions about the speakers does it got bass?
could you make separate video on how to use alienware macro buttons?
i try look up official videos but they not much help
Negative those laptops shipped back!
Will there be anyone reselling this in Australia? I’m not about to pay arround $700 extra dollars for shipping and taxes, might aswell buy a razer blade at that point 😐
What about the 2060 version?
Good review, as always. Any chance of doing the EVOO 17" 2060 walmart laptop?
No sorry, not on my dime. I spent too much money on their OP laptops and they’re having all sorts of issues according to comments on my channel. I won’t be going down that road again.
@@BobOfAllTrades The OP laptops IIRC got mostly good reviews, I mean even the big brands have tons of negative reviews on models. There's a reddit thread on the EVOO that's pretty promising. The price is stupid good for what you get, I don't think there's any better deal out there but I'd love to see an extensive review.
so it sounds like you can out of the box get the maximum performance out of the 2060 model? and the 2070 to milk it out requires a little fiddling?
Yup 👍
Can get some info about latency?
Maan, why they don't putted per key RGB?
Hey Bob, I just had one question. While the GPU isn't running, you say that the CPU has a power limit of 100w. Is this wattage actually thermally sustainable? If so, this laptop seems like a no brainer for my use case.
It’ll get into the 90’s as expected. Pretty impressive considering.
Hi Bob, can you review the EVOO gaming laptops offered by Walmart. They're priced extremely low and I would love to see a teardown and review about them as I'm in the market for a gaming laptop with those specs.
No sorry, not on my dime. I spent too much money on their OP laptops and they’re having all sorts of issues according to comments on my channel. I won’t be going down that road again.
@@BobOfAllTrades Hi Bob, totally understand. Just read your writeup about the EVOO laptops and I really appreciate the honesty!
B3astown Over on NBR?
@@BobOfAllTrades Yes
on this keyboard do the rgb lights shine through the key caps or just the base of the keys ? and if its just the base does it light up sufficiently for dim light usage? Really wish it had the keyboard of the mag!!!!!!!
That adds to the weight and thickness. This is straight from Eluktronics themselves.
Are the fans quieter than the mag 15 on max fans?
Are you able to get the max 15 with the eluktronics boost to boost the GPU Watts up to 125 like the others?
No I mentioned that clearly in the review too. Stating that it didn’t make the thermal cut.
Hey man I'm in a hurry to get a new laptop after my razer exploded to work on dev work and game. (as a razer fan boi since 2013 I highly recommended not getting the blade, it looks amazing but it's lifespan is shitty.) I'm torn between the mag and max 15, I can't stand big screens cause i feel like I'm in more control of a small screen (wtf?). I do all steps and fields of game dev (from music producing with ableton to map and model rendering to AI programming). I love both laptops and the max comes at every spec advantage (and price advantage!) with 2060 as to the 1660 mag thats the 100 dollars more. The biggest cons of the max are the dumbass camera, dumbass number pads, no ver with matte black and no logo, and absense of thunderbolt connection. Battery life is a big oof cause 3 hours is actually really bad. Thunderbolt is also big cause I use the Razer core gpu rig when rendering, but I'm pretty sure the 2060 on the max can really handle anything I give it. Can I get some advice? And will they ever release a ver of the max 15 in matte black, no logo, no numpad, with a thunderbolt?
This seems very similar to the Eluktronics rp15. Could you do a comparison video?
They’re very different and I don’t have either one, sorry 🙏
@@BobOfAllTrades thanks for the prompt reply and it's alright then. I saw videos on the matrix RP 15 on your channel though. Would you reccomend that over this?
I haven't seen you mention VR performance (or viability) for any of the recent laptop reviews. Can any of these new laptops run VR games acceptably well??
I don’t have VR and it’s not too terribly popular unfortunately. At least not as a requested part of anything I’ve covered.
I can’t wait for that to change! Then I could justify the purchase 👍
@@BobOfAllTrades You clearly haven't played Beat Saber. SO. MUCH. FUN! I only have a PSVR and while I am looking forward to the PS5 and its VR setup, I am looking to but a new gaming laptop and was just curious if any of these can run VR.
Can you review Cyberpowerpc Tracer iii 17r??
So all max-15 with Rtx-2070 max -p don't come with eluktroboost?
Both MAX laptops do not have higher wattage than 115w
Please I have a question which do u think i should get for my daily driver
Mag 17 or mag 15
Please I want to order it hopefully u answer me as quick as possible
yes sir
So since the max-15 can’t take advantage of electro boost for the 2070 max-p does that mean the Max-17 has the same limitation? That would hinder any reason to get a 2070 max-p model.
Terreos That’s correct and this is information that was newer to me but was also added in font within the software section of the video for accuracy 👍
I tend to listen to you as a podcast so I didn’t see the text. My bad. Good information though. Thanks.
Yup I totally get that. I use to create my videos with that in mind. I still try but it’s not always cookie cutter easy.
What tuning did you do exactly to get the temperatures down?
That information is buried in the description 👌
Besides being a Magensium Alloy chassis, the software (where you adjust different modes of performance etc) and the layout of the on/off as well as fan speed button just reminds me of the EVOO 15.6 (Walmart brand). The 1660TI version of that laptop goes frequently on sale for $799. The big question is: Is the Eluktronics version worth the price difference of at least $500 knowing that it is the same internals and software/performance experience...
Where to get it in Europe? :(
This laptop is fantastic! I must ask one thing, Office mode on gaming, what temps and fps did you get on that mode?
It was about a 15% hit. Temps a slight cooler and the laptop is quieter too.
This vs y740 keyboard?
Max 17 or the rog gx701???
They're almost the same price right now with similar specs... Tho i think the 2070 in the gx is a full gpu
Well, “full” 2070 is 115w and the MAX has that too 🤷♂️
@@BobOfAllTrades you're right! I just noticed its 115w, since it never said which version it was on their site.
So which one do you think it's better overall
I'd take a bigger battery, lighter magnesium alloy build with a proper keyboard ergonomics personally. Especially the Battery and Keyboard.
The build quality of both are very different from each other, but high-end :)
@@BobOfAllTrades thanks for your reply!
Still a hard decision tho in terms of performance 😅
Is it possible to get this same control center on the Mag-15?
I’m working on it 👍
@all does anyone can tell me whether an Asus Zephyrus G14 240W charger is compatible with Eluktronics Max15?
I don’t think it is. The barrel on that psu might be too big. Eluktronics sells power supplies on their website.
@@BobOfAllTrades Thanks Bob! Gratz for your new position in Eluktronics
What is the difference between max-p and max-q?
jesus giraldo MaxQ is a lower wattage variant initially designed to maintain lower fan acoustics. MaxP is the maximum performance variant for a laptop typically.
Hello. I wonder if Eluctronics exist in Europe.
We are now selling our products pretty much worldwide on Newegg for each respective country.
Can't decide between Max-15 and Mag-15...
Watch this ruclips.net/video/7xzqtoB-PS4/видео.html as well as the latest MAG-15 update video ruclips.net/video/IGOk9OmeXYI/видео.html
@@BobOfAllTrades Thank you for your help!
The issue is I've already watched your amazing and informative videos many times, still can't decide.
As I live in London I have to order the MAX-15 equivalent model from PCSpecialist, which is the Vyper III.
The new model shows a 10875H 8 core CPU, mini-DP are gone replaced by a TB3 port which I discovered is tied to NVidia GPU luckily (need this for VR).
I can't understand if PCS made any customisation to bios/software like Eluktronics did.
Also, on PCS forum the MAX-15 keys lettering starts to wear after just 1 month of use, which isn't ideal.
I like the MAG-15 keyboard deck and keys (I'm not a fan of translucent keys on MAX-15), the bigger battery.
The big cons for me on the MAG-15 it's the older and less capable hardware. As I've planned to keep the machine for at least 3-5 years.
The Max-P GPU in the MAX-15 is another big pro as well.
For my usage, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, After FX, Capture One, Blender and AAA games I'd probably benefit from better specs on the MAX-15.
I also prefer the darker grey finish on the MAX-15 than black on the Mag-15.
Comparing the prices, the XMG Fusion 15 (MAG-15) with 2070 Max-Q costs me 1720 euros against 1630€ for the Vyper III (MAX-15), the last one with 3 years of warranty.
From an economic standpoint the MAX-15 has more clear benefit in terms of power/money spent.
Sorry for the long comment, hope this will help other users to make a decision in a similar situation.
@@BobOfAllTrades At the end I went for the MAX-15.
I preferred the max performance, hoping the UK version of the chassis will allow to obtain a good level of performance with less throttling as possible.
If I'll have the time I'll post a video with some thoughts and tests (I'll do my best as I'm not a reviewer!).
I'll probably compare it on performance with an old 6th Skylake i5 to discover how much improvement there is in 5 generations of Intel CPUs in real world scenarios (Premiere Pro, Photoshop, Encoding, 3D, some gaming).
Thanks for your time Bob!
Where can I get only the laptop no bundle
Once the bundle depletes the price stays the same 🤷♂️
Did you forget to mention battery life?
Of course not 👌
Could you please speed test the drive?
I did and it’s like 1700/1200. Reason I didn’t share this because there’s different kinds of drives you can order with these so it depends on what you get. I’ve seen different sizes affect speeds as well. Know that it’s an NVMe and that it’s got decent read/right speeds.
@@BobOfAllTrades How do they manage 2 NVMe slots? Do both get 4 PCIe lanes, or just 2 lanes each?
Could you give the product number of the power supply?
It’s in the description 👍
@@BobOfAllTrades thanks! When I google the psu I dont get any result. Sure it correct product number?
Elgreco17 Very sure because when I google it I get results. Don’t expect an easy find here. eBay would be a start.
Wait so electroboast is NOT on the max 17?
Correct for the 2070 maxP
@@BobOfAllTrades dang it says on the website it has electroboost.