Some of you won't like this new lore...
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- A new Star Wars sourcebook has released which changes aspect of various Star Wars ships including the Imperial Star Destroyer - we'll discuss that and more on today's Star Wars lore video!
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What is that game in the background at the end
@@Travis_HackneyHow is he poison?
I thought the old lore was that the victory star destroyer went into service at the end of the clone wars and the imperial class came like 10 years later. Poor victory never gets any love
preferred lore would be the ISD was developed from combat experience of the Clone wars with the intention of replacing both the Victory Class and the Venator class.
Victory star destroyers were mid clone wars and imperial star destroyers were in the last couple of months of the clone wars
That is something I always believed many years ago.
@@sammywhite5127 I would see it as a few of the prototypes being in active testing during final months of the Clone Wars with some production models being laid down during closing days of the Republic, but they have started to show up in any appreciable numbers only during reconquest of former separatist teritories by the Empire.
@@Artanis99 that's pretty much it yes
In the BB S1 Tech says Omega is a modified clone. In conversation between Lama su and tarkin its said there's 5 experimental clones people assumed echo was one of them but he's a "reg"
Echo being an experimental clone despite being registered as a "reg" makes a lot of sense, considering he survived the heinous experimentation performed on him by the Techno Union. My current head theory is that his modification by the Techno Union and the data obtained by it led to Palpatine authorizing the Darktrooper program.
If anyone would not overlook Echo it would be Tarkin. The man had a knack for remembering extremely obscure details. Not the least of which he was actually there for the rescue on the Citadel when Echo got blown up
@@carsoncasmirri3874it may be in reference to the fact that Echo was CREATED as a regular clone and only modified later on. Omega is evidently not regular, because unless she’s trans (which is absolutely possible but completely unprecedented among clones) then it’s exceedingly unlikely that she’d be a girl if she was a normal clone.
@@Dumbrarere your theory for what was done to Echo leading to the darktrooper program is a good one
@@Ty-yt3lj you mean hermaphroditic not trans. Trans is a choice (though some don't willingly get that choice because of some very sick individuals) Hermaphrodite is not a choice, hermaphrodites are naturally composed of both set's of sexual dimorphism.
Disney still wants to keep writers on a fairly tight leash, and not let them go wild adding to the canon things that would possibly have to be countermanded later, which makes a lot of the things written by people without permission pretty dull.
And ironically in the end that kind of tight leash policy still means that Disney will have to spend more time retconning things for fear of them getting out of hand, but all the retcons will be about very boring and minor things.
Who cares. Disney isn't canon. Their butchery of the universe and complete disrespect of the fans who prop it up disqualifies them from being taken seriously.
This isn't Disney though, it's Lucasfilm. Visual Dictionaries were alwats supplementary to the films - not too much new lore created as much as it was derived from the source material.
Please, Disney/Lucasfilm wouldn’t know continuity if it bit them in their ass.
@@MrWill9002,
Became out of hand in Episode VII... Rogue One contradicted the Lore once more... specifically Episode IV... and Rogue One was the best Star Wars film Lucasfilm made after Disney's acquisition... Which just tells me how horrible everything else is.
Disney lore sucks because there's no Waru.
I don’t get how people thought that they could say a GIRL clone was unmodified.
She wasn't supposed to be, but Nala Se's keyboard has a sticky "X" key and added one too many to the chromosomes. So she just said Omega was unmodified, and we all look alike to the Kaminoans so nobody noticed.
@@UzarranHahahahaha 😂
@@UzarranI mean I thought it made sense as like they didn't add any modifications but an error or two could have happened that they didn't fix.
@@Dakarai_Knightyou're absurd. cloning a man won't get you a woman if there is an accident. you'd get mutants. to get a female would require extensive genetic manipulation.
i mean, i think it's pretty obvious they mean unmodified OUTSIDE of her sex.If you think about it, accellerated aging is, for example, a much greater change to the genetic code than just changing one chromosome
Never made sense for the republic to call their ship Imperator or Imperial, it also makes sense that Empire has slightly different design philosophy than the Republic.
Exactly that.
I would agree if it weren’t for the set up behind the name
Imperator just means “commander”, just like Venator meaning “hunter”
The extra layer that makes it fitting is that the Roman Republic used the term for commanders, but when the Republic became the (Roman) Empire it evolved into the title scheme for the Emperors
As you can hopefully tell, it is incredibly fitting for the ship.
@@starsilverinfinity But there were already empires including Sith empires before in the universe so the meaning is already changed and it doesn't fit in the context
@@filipzietek5146 Your point doesnt make sense since by the time of the Clone Wars the SIth Empire is literally 3-4 millenia *dead* . There is no Empire in existence in the last millennia to "defuse" my argument. Not to mention it doesnt matter if there is another Empire since that Empire isnt made from the Republic - again, the parallel here is a irl republic becoming a empire, and the use of a term changing suit - the same happens in Star Wars and the word is fittingly inserted
@@starsilverinfinityIn canon!?
When I took on a Star Destroyer with my A-Wing in 1993's X-Wing I took out those little domes to drop their shields. I had no idea they were contested in the lore.
The issue is that this was erroneous lore that EU established since the beginning. ILM specifically intended for the domes to serve a sensor capacity.
@@AshanBhatoaTo be fair shields do need sensors.
Yeah, I was a little later to the party in Tie Fighter, but for Harkov's SD's they were also the shield generators. RotJ doesn't leave much room for doubt, whatever the writers/designers may have intended. Anything else is just people trying to fix a horrible design flaw/script error.
@@grandsome1Not exactly. Since when? A warship requires sensor technology. Not specifically defector shiekd generators and projectors.
@@SheyD78 Before the destruction of the sensor dome, the weapons of the fighters where not able to deal any damage to the ship. Then the shields went down, and suddenly their blasters were capable to deal damage and destroy the dome. The destruction of the dome made it just obvious that the bridge deflector was down.
This is just one way to put it. Since there is no way to empirical verify any theory about a fictional universe, you can make stuff up as you want, as long as it does not outright and obviously contradict things that happen in this universe. However, since most fictional universes contradict themselves when you look at different films/shows, even this is open to debate.
I always liked the idea that the Imperator/Imperial-I was a Clone Wars design. It made the whole timeline feel more connected and organic, and it just made sense that the Republic would be researching and developing bigger and more powerful warship designs during the war with the CIS. No war in modern history irl has relied on the exact same tools, ships, and technologies from start to finish. Especially when one of those tools is as monumentally deficient in its primary role as the Venator-class Star Destroyer is. There is ALWAYS development going on, and there are ALWAYS new weapon systems and such being introduced mid-war. And very frequently those systems which are brand new and state-of-the-art at the end of the last war end up being the basic standard issue by the time the next war comes around. In that way, the Imperator being around in limited service as a new advanced warship by the time of Revenge of the Sith gives the Republic/Empire's naval technology a feeling of realistic progression.
Back in the West End Games days, the Imperial was definitely a post-Clone Wars design, based on the wartime Victory-class. Even the Victory-II class was developed too late to see action in the war, but was used as a stopgap until the Imperials were ready for action.
This was all before the Venator was invented, of course, and we got the first round of WU reshuffle because of the prequels.
Stars Wars Canon changed nearly every decade while under George Lucas... why should things be different under Disney?
@@aralornwolf3140doesn't make it better
@@FredBstar3K,
I didn't say it was good either, lol. I was stating a fact. Unlike other IPs, Star Wars encompasses multiple millennia which means there will be changes, contradictions, retcons.
Unlike other IPs which take all the above into account (Star Trek, Marvel)... Star Wars just _can't_ handle this... and it could have, in a way. Especially when Disney decided to start with a clean slate... but they decided to contradict the already established lore by allowing the ST writers to write whatever they want with no oversight. :/
I hope we get to see the Imperial Star Destroyer make its first chronological appearance in the Bad Batch series finale.
Rather see a Victory
that would be awesome
@@paulrasmussen8953same but either Way ISD or Victory Class it still awesome to see both
@@st-6837 There's an oversaturation of ISDs lately, it's not like they were the only class of star destroyer in service. Specifically ISD-Is, which were according to lore an imperfect design that had to be iterated upon. But hey, we've got that cool and detailed model that was made for Rogue One so _why not just use that?_
Victory would be really cool. I've been hoping to see that thing in live action ever since I first played Empire At War as a kid back in 2005. But yeah I think the first chronological appearance of the ISD would be more likely
Omega has always been asserted as enhanced in some fashion, however she's genetically unmodified. That specifically being her genotype is essentially derived from Jango Fett's own genetic material. As to how she's enhanced - potentially an advanced empath.
@@hellfish2309 nah shes just trans
I think she is a "True Child" that's where you use the same person as both the "Mother"and the "Father" in IVF, they are not a Clone as we think of them but an actual Child, since males have both X and Y chromosomes there true children can be either male or female, if the parent was Female you would only get Girls.
IRL we theoretically have the Tech to make True Children today for a woman that want's to carry one to term, but Medical and Scientific Ethics won't let us try even on animals since its one of those things that once we do it we can't undo it, if we get it right we could do so many wonderful things, but the risks at this time are too high and even if it dose work people would do so many terrible things with the science, it's one of those "Can we? but we Shouldn't!" things.
Is she force sensitive at all? I don't remember her ever using the force, but everything I know about Star Wars tells me that the mysterious clone child has the force.
@@hellfish2309I think they are specifically referring to modifications intended as enhancements. Simply using two X chromosomes is far easier than targeting specific attributes. It's something we can technically do now.
@@RorikH It's possible. Although it's much more likely that she was given clone commando training by the various CF99 members, on top of being more intelligent than most children her age. On top of that, being a child, her reflexes and ability to adapt are a bit higher than some of the more conventional clones (though in exchange she's more prone to getting herself into trouble, which we do see throughout the series).
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Tbh saw this change coming long ago. We never saw the Imperator and idk it fits more as the face of the Empire, and I think the Victory fits better as a "transitional ship"
I remember that the Imperator Class Star Destroyer was among the many ships that Palpatine had commissioned and stationed elsewhere in the Deep Core, and they joined the Battle of Coruscant later on as reinforcements for the Coruscant Defense Fleet.
They didn't Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader established they were still under construction during the war and the first few didn't get finished and commissioned until a few months later.
The backstory for Beru is from the Padme book trilogy if I remember correctly
I think they are being careful as to what they add in terms of lore that doesn't reflect with the tv show or movies and are trying not to go too off the board with it. Probably because they don't want the lore to be so necessary or intimidating for new fans that requires them to have read other material. Im not saying this is good or bad, its just a trend I noticed.
@@bigbangrafa8435 Hence why most of the information in this guide is superficial or technical, which can later be retconned to suit the canon that is established in the shows. Which I think is a detriment if you are looking for new lore to consume, and something less of a hurdle if you are just a new fan wanting to get basic info. It is definitely not something I would pick up though, the Essential Guide to Warfare compared to this is night and day.
@bigbangrafa8435 who passed in your boots today, that was a very upset way to say you still can't get over the disney buyout
@@sergioruiz733This is a Visual Dictionary though? Aren't you aware that canonical reference books include the fantastic Haynes manuals, Star Wars: Propaganda (also written by Pablo Hidaglo), The Rebels Files and most recently Star Wars Timelines and Battles that Changed the Galaxy?
Those are the more heavy hitter reference material. Within the EU, the Visual Dictionaries were also focused on the films.
@@AshanBhatoa I wasn't aware, but that actually makes more sense in that context as it focuses more on the films.
Personally, I've always enjoyed the vehicle/location cross-section books.
Yes, they are great. All new editions have revisions.
The Essential Guide to Planets and Moon is forever burned into my memory from reading it over and over again as a kid in the ‘90s. And I still pull it off the shelf regularly because it gives me such a good nostalgia high.
The Whitesun family being the Tatooine Underground Railway was on Wookiepedia but when I checked there wasn't a source for that in the article so its difficult to verify if it was an actual thing before or if someone's headcannon just got canonized.
No it definitely was a think, I think it was queen's hope
@@shoyahaaruniYes, the Padme novels.
@@AshanBhatoa If it is from there then a Wookiepedia editor made a mistake and didn't attach the link last time I looked.
I'm pretty sure in Rogue One they explicitly show fighters attacking those domes after someone says they need to take down the shields on the ISD's over Scariff. Also I liked the ISD's being designed and built during the Clone Wars. It was a great way of showing the militarization of the Republic and clear influence from Palpatine. Like it felt like preparation by Palpatine to preemptively prepare for the shift to the Empire, they could immediately start pumping out ISD's to lock down the Galaxy in just a few years.
They don't.
Nonetheless, the reference book asserts the domes are multi-purpose.
I personally don't enjoy the Imperial-class Star Destroyers being introduced during the Clone Wars, especially as a new design. Ironically, the issues individuals have with Project Starhawk being 'fast tracked' are exemplified with this unnecessary lore. The Victory-class Star Destroyers, perhaps. West End Games material also explicitly stated that the ISD was not a Clone Wars-era design.
I feel like the simplest way to handle this is to say that designs and maybe some prototypes for the ISD were made in the Clone Wars (not hard to see why the Republic would consider a heavier battleship) but they hardly saw any combat or mass production and the design was tweaked for post-war "peacekeeping" operations before production started in earnest.
In the book „Queen‘s hope“, there actually is another female clone trooper serving normally on the field with her brothers. It is also mentioned that Beru helped Sabée (I hope you write her name like that) with her mission to free the slaves.
Female "Clone Trooper"? "Stick a chick in it and make her gay & lame!"
Fav has gotta be the classic WEG sourcebooks, they are still informing books, shows, and films today.
I mean
The passage could easily still indicate that the imperial class star destroyer was a think BEFORE the fall of the republic just mostly prototypes. The idea being that the Empires decloration began an emboldened focus on militarisation. another huge STEP akin to the start of the clonewars.
Like it could just be that the Imperitor became like THE FOCUS of production to create the NEW fleet and replace the old 'republic' fleet
Beru Lars' backstory is derived from some novels, I believed.
I feel like there's still room to say the pre ISD Imperiator prototypes could have been deployed during the end of the clone wars, still room for the VSD as well, the early model AT-AT would also fit nicely into old lore with there being prototypes deployed during the clone wars era (I like again how awakening the rebellion gives both models as diffrent variants, the early model being more anti infentry/ light armor and the late model being more anti armor focused to reflect the changes in rebel hardware and tactics as time passes)
Look up a Doppler radar and it becomes clear where the inspiration for the geodesic sensor domes originated…
You could interpet the Imperial Officer's remarks in RoTJ, (if they are sensor bulbs), that they lost system communication between the shield levels and the bridge. That might explain his statement. It could also be they were shields for the bridge, but they do present a very obvious target and sensors/scanners are often in the highest point for maximum coverage. I always assumed Imperial SD shields were located on the ventral dome-like feature.
i know its a video game but in rogue squadron 2 (i think its two) they very expliclty tell you in a mission that the balls are shield generators on a star destroyer and to go destroy them.
Not only this, in the whole X-Wing and TIE Fighter games Series this is the explicit way to deal with Star Destroyers.
Literally everyone thought they were shield generators for a long time despite that making zero sense. I’m glad Pablo is trying to set things straight with this book.
@xSuperFryx well when official video games and lore books say there shield generators 🤷🏼♂️
@@rhodesnd3670Contradicting ILM.
@@rhodesnd3670 Which, remember, was thrown out by Disney when they acquired the IP. Everything not directly connected to the movies was.
Kind of sucks that the victory class star destroyer wasn't canonized
I believe it is in the Tarkin novel which was one of the first Disney novels so the Victory should be.
I dislike this change. I like the Imperator as a secret prototype that helps meld the old Republic and new Empire together and help it flow from one to the other like with Clone Phase 2 armor leading to Stormtrooper armor with the TK trooper armor being in the middle.
This has been the case since the beginning though. Canonically, the Imperial I-class Star Destroyer is in active development sometime immediately after the Proclamation of the New Order.
So, Dawn of the Rebellion here is codifying that.
That's the point of the Victory class. The Imperial 1 class should never have been considered a Clone Wars design
@@AshanBhatoa what source established that?
@@justinbeath5169 Also deploying the Imperial-class Star Destroyer before actually declaring yourself emperor would be a little suspicious.
I'm not too fond of the Republic having the ISD, personally.
They might just be sensor globes. Executor was under heavy fire and it could be like . "Sensor dome explodes" Officer was like : Oh s*** what was that? Looked at console and thought "Oh they endeed penetrated our shield" and told it to admiral.
Finally, someone seems to understand. It is implicated that either, feedback from that explosion resulted in the loss of the bridge deflector shield. Or, as you aptly demonstrated, portions of the shield were already being overwhelmed, such as the bridge's deflector shielding. A sensor dome exploding would alert the bridge command staff to this reality.
@@AshanBhatoa The novelization adds detail to this scene that isn't overrided by the movie.
The Executor had been under focus fire from the rebel fleet for several minutes, and were showing damage systemwide. The dome destruction was to show with certainty that the bridge deflectors were failing.
Most recent canon iirc has some of the bridge tower shield emitters ringing the middle of the domes, which would make sense for coverage.
The weakest thing about these new books is that they don't go far enough with details. It's always the most basic bitch info (Kylo Ren has black boots, wow who knew?)
Homie, these are Visual Dictionaries? That's their entire gimmick. Where do you think the "Signiture look of superiority" annotation originates? Are you aware of the other brilliant reference books, such as the one that recently chronicled the vast majority of Star Wars media in one swift swoop?
I'm pretty sure Omega being referred to as an unmodified clone is supposed to be in reference to her lifespan not being cut in half
I agree, this is still miles away from the Essential Guides. And it's not from lack of material, in the comics alone there are lots of new ship variants (like the Mon Cal cruisers) or interesting weapon designs
One thing I think could work is the fact that in the canon Build the Millennium Falcon Magazine, the imperator has a a slightly different ship than the imperial I. I believe the main difference is that the imperator had different containment cells like the ones seen in Attack of the Clones. I think that this difference is interesting and points out that although the imperator and Imperial I were slightly different, they were still practically the same and the changes were minimal enough to be called the same thing, but large enough for them to still be different. I also think the containment cells are interesting since it hunts to palpatine secretly preparing for order 66 by having his ships able to contain Jedi and this could potentially help kickstart the inquisitorious. With the fall of most Jedi and the Tarkin doctrine it makes sense that they would work to change the ship to adapt.
I mean the cells are just for locking anyone up, it's not really a hint towards order 66
Some issues aren't particularly canonical, so which one?
Doesn't the High Republic era go right up to The Phantom Menace? So the Pelta doesn't need to be THAT old. It has a similar bridge to the Consular-class cruiser seen in the opening of TPM, too.
Not exactly. It's a long stretch of time from 500 BBY to 100 BBY. I can see the Pelta being a development during the late High Republic Era, not the early period. I was taken aback as well, however this is the fresh lore that I desired.
The Pelta doesn't work as being a pre-Clone Wars design. It doesn't fit asethics of being the height of Republic decadence.
Saturday night party game: Take a shoot every time he says "example".
Actually, there have been references to other books in reference books, they just haven't been too substantial when it comes to visual references. One book that did have some great book references was On the Front Lines, which had pictures and details of battles from both the movies and the books, and added some new lore to boot! I know a lot of this from Wookieepedia, but I'd love to get my hands on that book!
I can send you a digital copy of this great reference book, as well as an unlettered cover. Want it? :)
It's somewhat perplexing how Eckhart's Ladder doesn't particularly catch the fact that although Dawn of the Rebellion is essentially reiterating much lore (as it should do), details on the series have been implemented. All fresh. In addition, it is a Visual Guide. DK has always created this material as supplementary to the films in the past. He can check prior entries into the Visual Dictionaries series. If he desired a substantial book with great depths into expanded media, Star Wars Timelines and Battles that Changed the Galaxy (a great complement to On the Front Lines) are DK reference material which does just that. So I agree with you.
The original Essential Guide to Ships and Vessels, I can't count the number of times I read that book from cover to cover
I think what they meant by "Work immediately begins on the warship that will embody this bold new era" is that they're working on developing it, rather than working on creating it as most would assumed, but its still very interesting to see the new changes in lore within the sourcebook 🤷
It still says it's a Clone Wars design
In the origional legends there was a single prototype Imperator that then showed up at Coruscant
so it doesnt contradict anything
We won! It finally makes sense why the star destroyer supposedly has external shield projectors when every other ship has internal shield generators.
They were obviously modeled after real world radomes on top of ships. Glad to see their original intended purpose finally be acknowledged in canon
This has been a compromise since the beginning. I believe Complete Locations first established this for the canonical continuity. The EU asserted that they served both roles. In reality, they are only sensor domes.
I remember this being such a contentious problem in forums.
It’s pretty retarded having giant, exposed shield generators that can be easily destroyed. Similarly, the TIE fighter’s wings make zero sense as solar panels, but a ton of sense as radiators.
@@finnberglander7816Empire being retarded is on-brand tho
Yep, those are definitely meant to be sensor domes on the Star Destroyers. That's what they look like on real world warships, as you said.
The dome being destroyed was a symptom of the shields being lost, which happened right after Ackbar ordered a bombardment to the Executor.
It also makes no sense for shield projectors to be located on a vulnerable exterior area of the ship where they could be easily destroyed.
While I might not agree with al the changes, I can agree with the changes made to the things on the ISD's bridge. They have ALWAYS looked like sensors to me and who ever chose to call them shield emitters has never once seen what a ground radar installation in the high arctic looks like. (Hint, they look EXACTLY like the domes on the ISD.)
what game is that your flying the Tie Inty around in? Ive seen you play that in other videos with Star Fox ships...
They existed before that blurb, Palpatine liked the experimental ship and then blurb happened.
Logical room for both
About the domes, they're analogues to those found on real-life warships. I think there's a confusion of cause and effect. We don't see deflector shield domes in any other context and that the bridge deflector shield was down was the reason the dome could be attacked and destroyed and hence alerted the crew that it was down. The Star Destroyer would be the only ship in Star Wars with an exposed shield projector in an exposed position and which is really easy to destroy.
It wasn’t a generator it was projectors those tend to be exposed.
Per Star Wars Timelines which came out a few months ago, the Imperator-class and Imperial I-class are two separate ships. The Imperator is the CW base version and the Imperial I-class is a slight redesign of it
As someone who played a Verpine slicer in the old WEG D6 system 20-25 years ago, I am ALWAYS happy for more Verpine love
What is that awesome looking starfighter game in the background starting at 4:11 It looks really cool and I want to play it.
Not a starfighter game. It's an arcady Air Combat game called Sky Rogue. Looks like it's been modded to have star wars fighters in it.
I like the change for the Imperial-I. Makes more sense as one of the immediate Imperial successor ships, plus it always felt like a bit of a weird naming choice for the Republic to make, even late into the war.
But I will agree with a general dissapointment with canon lorebooks. Really feels like the LSG is trying to leash the secondary material from expanding too far out of known eras. Which I *guess* is a cleaner way to expand without eventual contradictions and retcons, but it ends up making a lot of things feel safer than they should be. Haven't found a canon reference book that hit the same as the Legends Essential Guide to Warfare or the Book of Sith.
Seeing Andor next to Obi Wan in the title "Dawn of the Rebellion" made me think Obi Wan does part time in aiding rebel missions while his main gig is to protect Luke from afar.
He aides the Path within the series, however of course, he's involved in raising a future war hero of that era.
Oooh, that thing about Beru is straight from some common headcanons for fanfic, someone at disney is reading Fialleril on AO3.
Weird, most fanfics I heard of are mostly just about romance or Grey Jedi nonsense.
I'm hoping Omega doesn't turn out to be another Force Sensitive.
watch, she will.
Well they ruined the force in Asoka. Every one can use the force now if you just try hard enough.
@@TheHughsieThat's not the same. Lucas even echoes that sentiment.
i always wished she was slightly and not a unmodified jango clone, as we are kinda shown in the episode with the little rancor she was able to connerct with it. what i wish is she only be slighty because she was part of the force clone project that palp had secretly going hence why no one really knew about her also why they wanted her back so much as she was a masive milestone for them and for them to then use her to improve oppon their cloning
I had the "Star Wars Original Trilogy" Plug & Play game as a kid (the one shaped like the Millennium Falcon), and in the "Red Leader" game, you had to destroy the geodesic shield bulbs before you could destroy the Star Destroyer.
When it comes to calling a clone "unmodified" I think they're just saying that they didn't introduce rapid aging. It's inaccurate to say an enhanced clone like Omega is unmodified, but with the aging context I think it makes sense
It completely makes sense.
Unmodified means they are a 1:1 of the original like Boba.
@@emberfist8347 I fully explained my definition of unmodified in this context. Go "Um, Actually" someone else.
@@McBeard1987 That isn’t unmodified as it is still modified. You can’t redefine words.
@@emberfist8347 I see nuance and contextual comprehension elude you.
Though not from a reference book I thought that the first Star Destroyer that would be closest to the ones we see from Ep 4 and forward was the Victory-class, which I thought was designed to be the first replacement for the Venator-class cruisers from the Clone Wars. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but it works well in my mind.
Honestly I really like the change that the ISD/Imperial-Class SD are now a thing made in the Empire/after the Proclamation of the New Order and not from late Clone Wars. It’s more fitting and also embodies more the new era and the Tarkin Doctrine.
You could probably title every future Star Wars video “some of you are not going to like this more change” and consistently be correct
Loved the Essential Guide to Warfare but also to date me a bit loved the CD Rom's they had Behind the Magic. They did two of them a standalone covering the Original Trilogy and the other covered Ep I. If it was an essential guide back in the day it was in my library.
The pelta is actually smart. Remove all that extraneous stuff like turrets, etc, replace the plating and pain with a standard high republic pallette and it looks a LOT like a high republic design.
So bascially make it look factory new and it fits with the high republic design
Except it doesn’t. Too blocky. It is clearly a transitional Clone Wars design.
Beru got lore? I never heard anything about her before! That's new to me.
I'd attribute the supposed lore in this book to a writer who was... out of touch with other source material and simply didn't know, and made a contradictory error in the writing. I can safely say the Imperator may still have been canonically a late Clone Wars flagship design, the wording on that "change" was rather vague and to me didn't seem to imply they were never created before the declaration of the Empire. Merely that the Empire decided to officially focus ship production on this class en masse instead of the wartime Republic plan to have them as dreadnought-like flagships for select Republic fleets. And to be fair I'm sure at the end of the war most people in the galaxy never had a chance to notice these new bigger warships, much less knew they existed in any official capacity in the first place. It's not like a new warship design is always broadcasted across the galaxy on the holonet news; they were created during wartime after all. Personally I think they look better in Republic colors anyway, and in that command ship role where they'd be further back supporting the rest of the fleet with its bigger guns >~
This is the canonical continuity though.
Could always have the VSD as the bridge between venator and imperial class. VSD really missing out on any representation anywhere, so sad. Got a little working theory in my own head I'll put down, but I'm no encyclopaedia so I'll probably be missing info.
At least in my head from what I know I like the idea that the victory was designed as a more durable frontline ship to help shield venators while they conducted carrier operations and long range fire. But the victory never really caught on because republic bureaucrats didn't want to pay for it and didn't understand proper space warfare or fleet composition (you tell me any bureaucrat senator wouldn't go "the venator is good enough"). Eventually Palpatine still had enough built that got used in combat to know the designs potential, but not enough to be well known like the Venator, making it a great stop gap while the VSD2 and ISD1 were designed using lessons from both the victory and venator.
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My favorite was the Thrawn Trilogy sourcebook. Loved the Zahn novels and the sourcebook fleshed them out.
When I was 12 I was in a book store and had to choose between the Plagueis novel or the Essential Guide to Warfare. I chose the guide and man was that the right choice. I have read that book cover to cover like 3 times.
I have a question could you possibly make a video in the future on where to start when studying Star Wars lore and how to go about it because i just found out how cool the lore is and need some guidance
I like the idea still that ISD Is are from the Clone Wars as it kind of makes sense that they were a late war development program that produced a hull form tailored to the "last war" with a focus on qualitatively dominating smaller capital ships and carrying swarm fighters as protection instead of being reliant in better much large strike fighters fof power projection.
They just happened to look menancing and were a good jobs program so the Empire ran with it!
Makes more sense the domes are sensors given real life inspiration and Han Solo even hides from the view of the domes in ESB hence crew reports losing the falcon on scanners… also why would shield generators not protect themselves from destruction when the shields are raised (the implication that the domes are shield generators)? Doesn’t make much sense…
It does the issues is that shields work in two different forms. Ray Shields block energy weapons while particle shields block physical weapons like proton torpedoes and concussion missions. There are instances where you can't use both (e.g. the Death Star's exhaust port couldn't use particle shields as it needs to let the exhaust escape). Second, the things are actually not shield generators but shield projectors which cover a select part of the ship. You lose and that area is uncovered. They can overheat and fail under enough heavy fire and the movie mentions the Rebels were putting all their firepower on the Executor.
@@emberfist8347 Richard Edlund Cinematographer for ROTJ stated the domes were long range radar/scanners… He described the scene and said “we had a great shot of the sensor domes destruction. All claims of the bulbs being generators or projectors originated from this scene. In addition, Han hides the falcon in ESB purposely in the domes blind spot to avoid detection. Regardless, inside the domes are a radar dish and nobody claims the dish on the falcon is a shield projector as it would make no sense given the dish only points in one direction…
@@pementerprises7706 he also doesn’t realize the dish on the Falcon could rotate as every toy and other works show.
@@emberfist8347 ok then why does the falcons dish not rotate backwards when Han tells chewy to angle the deflector shield at the ISDs on their tail when escaping from Tatooine? And how can x-wings angles their shields to double front without a dish?
@@pementerprises7706 I never said the dish controlled the deflector shield just that it does rotate. And angling means diverting power to different projectors like the domes on the ISD.
Favorite Star Wars reference book? Definitely the "Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels". Still have my old copy that's worn almost to the point of falling apart. I used it as references for my fan art quite a lot when I was a youngling.
In Star Wars: TIE Fighter, targeting the shield generators on a Star Destroyer would highlight the bulbs
considering george used the venetor at the end of rots, i feel like the imperial star destroyer or any closer variant than the venetor not existing yet was the idea
George also thought a clone army smaller than the US military during World War 2 was adequate to fight a galactic war. Just saying, you really shouldn’t always base lore on George’s opinions
@@the_undisputed_king_5395 He was saying the Empire had 20 twenty years to develop the tech we see in the OT. And 3 million was just the first batch they grew more and more.
@@emberfist8347 right, but it took them nearly a decade to make the 3 million. How it was explained in the old EU was that the Republic started using the Spaarti cloning method (the same one from the Thrawn trilogy) and flash training, which grew and trained clones much faster but at a cost of trooper quality. But the point about the ISD would be that they show up so quickly into the Empire’s reign that it only makes sense that they were already under development by the Republic. Kinda like how the Republic had dreadnought-sized ships as well with the Mandator class.
Man, all I know about those balls is that in old BF2 it took about a dozen bombing runs to pop one of those things, but you do get war hero for that match.
The Aunt Beru stuff is from the Padme trilogy
Interesting lore tidbits! Sorry this isn't on topic for the video, but what polygonal fighter game is being played as background footage around 4:10 and 6:45 of the video?
i wanna know too
I stopped caring about Rodent Cannon years ago.
Something about Rise of Skywalker being a massive downgrade and enshittification of Dark Empire didn’t sit right with me.
My favorite references books are the Incredible Cross-section books.
Pablo Hidalgo stopped doing his job like 9 years ago, why do you expect him to do anything these days.
My favourite book will always be the first crossection compilation, it's full of interesting data like picture of y-wing with complete armor plating or that the b-wing was escorting star fighters, we can assume defending them from patrol anti-fighter craft like IPVs
Don’t disrespect my favorite Lucas film employee he is the man of the people.
@@xSuperFryx he greenlit Kenobi's script despite blatant continuity issues. I'm not disrespecting him, I'm stating facts that are clearly visible to anyone paying attention.
I also talked with him on twitter ~2 years ago, that man is a fucking idiot. Here- now I disrespect him openly so you can see the difference.
@@xSuperFryx That would be Leland Chee.
The picture at 3:06 reminds me of actor Martin Landau but the actor in the movie not so much. I've never heard of this character to now. I just looked him up online. Didn't notice him in the movie.
As a Star Wars RPG fan, and GM, I tend to ignore all the Disney stuff... Legends has a cohesive timeline, spanning decades, with all sorts of interesting things going on.
Disney SW is more like a collection of Grandpa Simpson's ramblings about his youth. No timeline, no coherency and not a lot of well written support stuff either.
Damn man i loved the Imperator prototype for the Imperial I
I think with the Omega thing a lot of people conflate modified with just advanced aging. It's pretty obvious that one: She is a girl unlike Jango and two: She possesses a very strong natural empathy to the point that she outpaces some Jedi in her ability to read emotions.
But a lot of people when they say "unmodified" they really mean they didn't modify her aging process and I get why people say it because there's no real short way to say that
To be honest I've long since abandoned the Star Wars lore. Once Disney stepped in and distanced the franchise from the original/published materials it moved further and further away from what Star Wars "is" to me.
I'll hold up my hands and admit that Disney have done some good things when it comes to Star Wars but overall these pale in comparison to the blunders and missteps.
I'm curious to what lore Disney added that was good. So far, none of it has been for me.
The Beru stuff came from E.K. Johnston's recent Padmé book trilogy.
I always thought that the ball being destroyed was what let them know that the deflectors were down, not necessarily what caused them to be down.
Why there is a the causation. They lost that and the next line is they lost their deflector shields.
@@emberfist8347Feedback. ILM specifically intended them to serve a sensor capacity.
@@AshanBhatoa I mean it would imply they were also projectors as they should realize they lost their bridge shields before they get bits blown off. Even the Falcon a significantly older design had a warning when the shields dropped below a certain level.
Omigod! Cantwell and I are wearing the same t-shirt! :D
The lore about Beru and the chips was in Queen’s Hope
Star Wars Timelines might be the best reference book they’ve ever made
Those are definitely meant to be sensor domes on the Star Destroyers. That's what they look like on real world warships. The dome being destroyed was a symptom of the shields being lost, which happened right after Ackbar ordered a bombardment to the Executor.
It also makes no sense for shield projectors to be located on a vulnerable exterior area of the ship where they could be easily destroyed.
Never knew ISD was around during the Clone Wars, but that makes no sense whatsoever either. It's clearly a generation beyond the Clone Wars ships.
The shield needs to get out into space somewhere.
The generation is late clone wars. It is like the real Midway class designed during the war and not seeing service until after.
Lore can change, but it's like putting a new suit on a corpse...
And people thought the original Expanded Universe was a mess....
I still do. Young me loved all the different types of Mon Cal Cruisers and Star Destroyers. Adult me (and son of a Retired military vet) sees that it doesn't make that much sense to have so many ships and vehicles that cover the exact same role in the fleet.
@@Eagledelta3 I'd consider that a minor gripe over what Disney is pulling with their own expanded universe... I mean the original expanded universe/Legends was very convoluted, but there was a sense of consistency and continuity. But like right off the bat, as is typical with Disney's lack of literally *any* planning, the Disney expanded universe is already filled with tons of inconsistencies, retcons and just general sloppy lore.
@@-CrimsoN- While all that is true, Lucas was also planning on wiping the entire old EU with his Sequel Trilogy anyway. So, I've just decided to take it for what it is at this point.
Especially since I do like some of the other choices made with the lore in the Mando/Ahsoka era. I like the new NR Cruisers and the Starhawk way more than more slightly different Star Destroyers and Mon Cal Cruisers.
I like the EU myself, but even I'll admit that it's messy in terms of lore.
@Eagledelta3 you complain about multiple types of star destroyer and Mon Cal cruisers not making sense because of role overlap which would make sense if you were analysing a regular military but not when analysing the forces of the Rebellion and Empire, it doesn't make sense for the rebellion since they don't get to choose what ships they have they can only have what they steal or modify and it doesn't make sense for the Empire since they are a fascist regime which are renowned for wasting massive amounts of resources on pointless military dick waving
I dunno that I'd necessarily call it good, but the very first Essential Guide to the Vehicles and Vessels is always gonna have a pretty special place in my heart.
What about the other female clones? How were the entire units not “reprogrammed” by the Kaminoans? Heck, the Kaminoans have wiped out whole units because of the wrong eye color, imagine what would happen if they had the wrong plumbing
The Kaminoians had to cut down on the more drastic measures when the Jedi got involved.
You know, the backstory of Beru does make sense. Her father-in-law freed Shmi after all, and while he married her it might be logical that he bought other people with the purpose of freeing them too in the past. It seems like the entire Lars family hates the slavery happening on the planet, especially after seeing how it affected the Skywalkers.
Honestly the Imp-1's lore doesn't upset me. While it did seem an understandable evolution from the Venator class, it felt weird for both it and the Victory to be clone wars-era ships, even if it was the last few months or something. To me it made more sense for after the war when they analyzed the problems they had with the separatist fleet, namely that they tended to be outgunned one-for-one.
the ISD was late war ship that got introduced in the battle of coruscant especially the hidden reserves that came to drive out the seps that then got out to break the outer rim sieges, after the declaration of the new order they went to full scale production
The Complete Cross-Sections book with the ships from episodes 1 through 6, or Creating the Worlds of Star Wars 365 Days. I spent hours pouring over both of those books.
You should check out Complete Vehicles.
I have been reading Legends for decades, and never found that lore bit you are alluding to. It must really have been obscure.
He is misreading it. The lore states the ISD was like the midway class built during the war not finished until after.
Is that gameplay from Sky Rogue? I picked it up ages ago on sale, didn't know there was Star Wars stuff for it, mods I assume?
Yeah, there's a couple star wars mods for it, they're really fun
What is my favorite?
"Incredible Cross-Sections of Star Wars: The Ultimate Guide to Star Wars Vehicles and Spacecraft"
Obviously. Not even a question. I made my lego SW replicas all my childhood, using this book.
The essential guide to warfare is the top G book
I'm done with those people always complaining and being negative about Star Wars.