I ordered last night, already has ECS intercooler and Just slowing modding it to be a Malone Tuned beast inches it's done. Just not sure about the K04 turbo yet not sure I'm ready for the fuel bill 🤣🤦♂️
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
The stock pcv/oil separator has multiple ways it can fail. The large rubber diaphragm is probably the most common way, but most people don't realize that there's essentially a one way valve that is supposed to allow vacuum but prevent boost pressure from entering the system. And when it fails (and it will fail), you end up losing boost pressure and start creating oil leaks and damaging seals.
Working for me no problems,,mine takes it an runs cleaned air back into the turbo not into the manifold,,me personally after running it for a bit my valves were significantly cleaner,,with absolutely no problems just my opinion
Do not delete your original pcv, you just need to add on catch cans for both vacuum and breather side. This setup is better to reduce carbon build up. If your original pcv diaphragm not strong enough to hold your upgraded boost, change it with stronger diaphragm.
@@yamaha9185 It is simple bro. What u need are. 1. Heater gun to open the stock hose from the coupling. 2. 16mm fuel hose to connect with coupling. 3. 16mm to 12mm hose size converter x 2. 4. 12mm hose. Others: hose clamp, bracket (i do myself with steel plate and welder), bolt and nut. Check on my RUclips, which I just uploaded.
Soooo watching this video helped me decide on the catch can i ended up choosing..... BFI "Clean Catch" - Crankcase Oil Separator - Essential Kit EK (Transverse TSI). This kits used my OEM connections and fit absolutely perfect. I was able to use OEM pvc valve and saved money! I'm in know way a paid spokesperson, just a fellow enthusiast who learned from this video. Thanks!
Just leave the old pcv in place in block off the intake nipple. Run a crank case filter or run the hose below the car as a blowbye tube. Am I missing something?
Finally some common sense! Ive been saying this for years the plate is useless .The stock pcv system is fine just run the catch can after that and empty it with your regular oil changes and your engine will thank you .Lots of these products these companies sell are all hype and ppl fall for it
Ive been running cts can on 2016 golf 1.8 tsi for 2yrs & not losing oil & removing a lot of GUNK my has the pcv Delete feeds from new pcv plate to the can from the can it dumps on top of the turbo ive got 100000 miles and not having problems , I do live in seattle & do have dump the can ever 400 mile during winter. i dont know if its doing anything but i remove alot of gunk THANKS FOR VIDEO subscribers & give you thumb up
Yes. You are completely right. It blew tons of the old oil into my turbo, destroying it, making me have to get a whole new one. Buy an oil separator, not a catch can.
Ty: Doesn't connecting to the intake pipe right before the turbo inlet defeat the OEM PCV valve again? I was going to cut the OEM PCV valve to the intake hose by eliminating the plastic? up to the OEM connectors and routing appropriate hoses to the catch can. Since I can't seem to find the factory connectors, I'd slip a hose & clamp over each of the 2 ends that remain & may need a reducer to the fittings on the catch can. Glad you were please with my commentary, but I'm trying to find a solution too. Thanks for your help. Most owners don't even understand. Regards, Jim
If I were you I’d pull your intake manifold and check how much carbon build up you actually have, even after doing my carbon service and running the catch can, it literally made no difference for me running stock pcv vs. Their crappy catch can design to prevent carbon, cause it still happened
Interesting, do you live in North America? If not then you have multiport in your golf R, could be the reason you have clean valves, if not then I am unsure
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Found this catch can setup particularly useful when switching to a manifold with no inlet port for the OEM PCV plate. I ended up mounting a second can to the CTS bracket that uses a steel element - CTS can catches a lot of water and milkshake, and the second can catches mostly oil vapor. Has been working quite well - only if you modify it as such, though. It never prevented my carbon buildup from coming back and needing to walnut blast again as it stands on its own as a kit, without modification. On big turbo applications you want the most PCV ventilation you can get.
I have a similar issue on the CTS Turbo 'Africa' plate, and now a new PCV oem.. I installed the CTS setup, and filled the 300ml can with oil in about 100 miles. Removed the plate, and installed an OEM style pcv filter back in place. 75 mile road trip, 1/2 qt of oil was sucked up by the PCV and straight into the turbo inlet. The entire inside tract of intercooler piping, as well as the inside of the intake manifold, was covered in oil. topped off the oil, drove the 75 mi back home, another 1/2 qt oil sucked through. Seems to be worse under high-vacuum situations, like highway cruise. I've put the CC back on just so I can at least 'catch' this massive amount of oil from going through everything, until I figure out why this is happening. I even took the little inner plate off the blockoff, and stuffed that area full of baffling material (stainless pot scrubber like material) to aid in slowing down the amount of oil being pulled in, as well as drilled/tapped an m8x1 hole in the CC lid, and added a small 'vta filter' to try and drop the vacuum level the engine is seeing.. it helped, but not by much.. 30 miles resulted in about 20-25mm deep oil in the can. Some have said it's possibly a drainback issue or some sort of check valve in the oil pan, but I've not investigated much yet. Compression and leak-down tests showed 185-190psi dry, and 208-210 wet, as well as 10-12% leakdown (across the board), so I do not think it's a ring issue or excessive blow-by.. I do need to fix it ASAP, though. $12/qt gets pricey..
I heavily posted on Audizine about how poorly engineer the CTS Oil Catch Can system is for the Audi S3/GolfR. On top of what you have already cover in the video as soon as I Install it my car develop a misfiring situation with rough idle till I ended up going into limp mode, sparkplugs and ignition coils where new before installing the CTS system. And the only thing that cure the problem after some extensive testing and trying to diagnose the issue was removing the CTS system and revert back to OEM PCV. Due to the similar designs of other companies I didn't wanted to have the same issues and so I when with the ECS Tunning route just like you mentioned keeping the PVC Oil valve with zero issues over a year. I recently got curious by APR new full PVC replacement system it was a interesting design. And put the order in. I'm still waiting to receive it and will give it a try.
Can you drop the link to your post! I’d like to give it a read and put it in the description of the video if that’s cool! Appreciate the input, glad to see that this has some further testing by others
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
@@nataliegrn17 it when like shit they also have poor quality, manufacturing quality issues and they leak. Had to replace it under warranty and fix it. Check this video he explains the issue ruclips.net/video/IeYUpH2nwpI/видео.html
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Great info bro. I read on VW vortex recently that catch cans don't work good on mk6 GTI's. It was sad news because I already have one to install. But then when you mentioned doing it with the pcv and the ecs bit I was again optimistic. That's exactly what I was planning to do. Just need the hoses and the ecs bit. Cheers from Cali
Also ecs has a baffled kit that utilized the stock Africa plate and an adapter for the pcv valve outlet for an 10 line. Only issue is you need an bypass hose when running in below freezing temps
After viewing you EA888 PCV/Catch Can video, I have more questions, naturally. 1) 2 fittings for ECS, 1 for the OEM valve, and one that disappears in the picture, presumably to connect to the air pipe before the turbo. Is this right?? I thought you'd split the line going to the intake manifold to add the catch can. Did I miss something??
Yep, 1 comes from the OEM valve, the other adapter goes to the intake pipe right before the turbo inlet! Most people just block off the intake manifold side with a boost tap, but in turn would also need to block the outlet on the manifold side of the PCv
Anyone have any experience or thoughts on the 034 Motorsports catch can for the EA113 engine? I have a stage 1 TTS 8J MK2. Would like to know if this a mod I should implement to help alleviate the gunk on the intake valves…
@@isackhernandez3691 It didn’t work ☹️, oil was still leaking from the rear breather hose that connects the pcv plate to the intake.Just put your old pcv valve back get 006235ECS01 and 006235ECS02. Keep the oil catch can, hoses and AN fittings. No more oil leak after getting rid of that shitty billet CTS Turbo pcv plate.
TY! Eureka! I knew there had to be someone out there that had the same idea that I finally concluded after study. I've been on my own personal frickin' quest to find out what's going on to contribute to diamond making in the VW EA888 Gen 1 engine. The very idea of getting rid of the PCV (not PVC!) valve seemed insane to me (Mechanical Designer, former Mechanic & Vintage Muscle Car fanatic), unless it'd be plumbed in somewhere else. I found the lunacy of DELETING the valve as well, with all these jewelry kit$ permeating the aftermarket. I can't believe a) People don't understand the PCV system in its most basic form, b) That companies put actual shit out there, giving people more headaches and an empty wallet to boot! Shame on you! I reckoned one could somehow make the connection to a catch can from the OEM assembly. But the install would need to be "clean", not hacked. Yes, ECS - whatever; just bought the OEM kit, including both hoses. Then I found you, TY, after hours of research. Thanks for puttin' this video - WELL DONE!
Blast the inlet valves, clean everything on the intake and run a catch can to atmosphere. No oil entering the intake apart from the turbo bearings. The breather just stops blow-by pressurising the crankcase/cam cover. PCV was introduced for emissions, venting hydrocarbons to atmosphere is bad and all that. If you're burning a lot of oil it's getting past the rings or your turbo bearings are worn so it's ending up in the intake, PCV or not isn't going to fix that. If it's EA888 it's probably fucked rings which is pretty standard. We used to drill and pipe cam covers for extra vents on race engines plus crankcase to catch can and atmosphere no emissions reg PCV.😂 No other reason for it really apart from burning those hydrocarbons.
I think the biggest reason not to pcv delete/catch can (for me at least) is the aftermarket kits don't have any valve in them. Pretty sure you ought to have a one-way valve in the PCV system.
Really useful video, been looking at various options for my S3 and always preferred with delete, for looks more than anything though. Defo going the ECS solution now so thanks :)
Pretty sure the oil catch can makes you catch the oil and not burn it xD I just bought a 2006 Audi A4 2.0T with the FSI and it already has a PCV delete with no catch can. Been trying to figure out the downsides to this. Makes the engine leak oil? Everyone says this stock PCV often fails making you leak oil, lose boost, etc, so I don't really wanna put it back on if it's not necessary
I don't know about about the CTS system, but I've installed the integrated engineering block off plate with the catch can. The plate on the integrated system has bigger channels, and a plate installed under the plate (if that makes sense) to keep oil travel through that to a minimum. Deleting the valve and installing the plate and catch can was one of the best upgrades we did to the car.....so to say they are all a waste of money I think is false. You don't really have anything to back it up, more of an opinion. The OEM systems are JUNK! Absolutely not rated for some of the power upgraded cars have. The car I was referring to has quite a few mods. So yea if you install this on a stock-ish car it might not be worth it. If you're running some extra beans, I would HIGHLY rec the integrated kit.
The design of the CTS one would most likely not be sufficient for even larger turbo applications, different design may be a completely different ball game depending on filtration/ restriction in the kit. Obviously can’t speak on first hand experience for other kits, however for the price tag there are better mods people can spend their money on compared to a catch can on a stock turbo car. I’ve read online the IE kit is good, due to the actual design and RND of it, the forums are littered with the same opinion on the CTS one so 🤷
@@ThatGuyTyy I tried to find more info also...all I know is the car doesn't burn oil, and It holds boost at a more solid PSI. Before, you could see it would hit target boost, then fall a few PSI and be all over the place inbetween. After....hits target and stays there! Looking at the design of the underside of the plate on the CTS one, it looks like oil would have no issue going right into the Intake. The baffle on the bottom of the IE unit prevents that. I do agree...it was expensive. But this is for a car he will have for the long run. Investment so to speak. Thanks for bringing this up about the CTS system, interesting to see. For such a big company, guess they didn't test this enough eh? Lol.
Another important note about the IE system. Both lines connect to the TOP of the engine via the plate that replaces the valve. No oil in intake, engine can breathe. If you have a tuned/modified GTI this is much needed and will make a huge difference.
So my OEM PCV continues to break. About 3 times this year. I have the ECS catch can system that hooks up to original PCV. Do I need to replace the PCV again or can I run catch can with faulty PCV? If I replace will PCV continue to break as it currently is? TIA
@@ThatGuyTyy I’ve replaced the entire unit each time. Many shops have confirmed it is the PCV that ends up faulty. That and when I replace PCV, my symptoms go away for a few more months.
I bought this and was using a BSH catch can and was getting smoke around the rear pcv entrance . i was quite upset with it and took it off when back to stock
Nice video, very informative. I have a stock 2.0 Non turbo FSI engine Golf from 2005 and i am looking at installing a catch can. I dont see any kits being sold for this motor so i was wondering if i were to put a adaptor on the in and out of the stock PCV would that work to the same notion of what you have explained? Thanks
Problem is the factory PCV system has so many problems that it is better to install one despite the drawbacks. Best way to do it would actually be to vent to atmosphere but some people care about emissions
I think you hit them hard but at least they know their product it's a waste of money,,OEM PVC with oil catch can it just work fine,,,nice vid man and a common sense 👍
You definitely need a catch can stage 2 and up... stock pcv isn't designed to keep up with higher boost levels you are aware factory pcv systems run directly to the turbo inlet? Modern cars need a vacume source to operate pcv correctly.
Not at all, nor do I claim to be. I just understand that when you do process of elimination for when your car consumes 1 litre of oil in 1000km and find that putting the stock part back on fixes your issue completely compared to a “performance upgrade” there is clearly something wrong 😂
@@ThatGuyTyy I got you! I’m not running a catch can or pvc delete in my mk7 yet but I’m a locomotive mechanical engineer and see the flaws your seeing. I’m surprised all the surface area on that doesn’t create enough surface tension. Are the holes staggered or are they all the same meaning a toothpick will go right through all the holes like lined up
When I first got it they were aligned, I read about offsetting them so I did by flipping every other plate to offset and it made no difference whatsoever, honestly if youre considering running one I would look into a company that has a better baffling system/ copper filtering or something, or literally just just a catch can inline of the stock pcv
Glad to hear I could help! I will do a review on them once mine arrive, cross border shipping is crazy back logged rn, also they should fit a mk6 gti no problem, we have the same engines and they’ll fit my car
I’m a little bit late to the video but would it be possible to run an eBay catch can by basically putting it in series with the hose that leads from the PCV to the intake? So the stuff would have to run through the PCV then the catch can then back to the intake? Pretty sure that’s what the adapters do right? Also while I’m here what do you do with the catch can in the winter? And finally what about having a catch can that just collects everything and doesn’t go back into the intake? Why would it route back into the intake if that’s bad? Emissions, I assume? I gotta do a lot of research but any information you or anyone else can send my way would be greatly appreciated. I noticed some oil in my intake and cat the other day and just wanna get on top of it.
You’re exactly right, the point of the adapters is to run a catch can inline from the pcv outlet to the intake to catch the small amount that makes it through the PCV. Running it back into the intake is necessary to eliminate built up pressure in the crankcase, hence “positive crankcase ventilation valve”, in the winter I just removed it all together, freezes and causes even more restriction and bypasses the can when it’s full so no point
@@ThatGuyTyy ok that makes sense. I got one more question if that’s ok. I found out the mk6 has two hoses coming from the PCV, one to the intake manifold and one to just before the turbo. Does it matter where it dumps after the catch can? Like could I route both through a catch can and then have it dump just before the turbo, and block of the intake manifold connection?
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Dang! That was a waste... haha (I got the same). I'm really surprised that manufacturers put out products that don't work. Def looks cool though. I'd been sooting up the tips pretty badly at WOT - wondering if its rich or if it is sucking oil up top. I'd like to see if you'd try and run the CTS can and hoses with that ECS piece. I might do the same. I really like the can. I'd hate to take the loss or just try and sell it, so I want to make it work.
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
@@ThatGuyTyy www.goapr.com/products/engine_hardware/catch_cans/apr_catch_can_-_pq35_18t_20t_ea888_gen_1/ Still uses stock Africa plate but doesn’t have the line coming from the manifold
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Mild anxiety when I saw this video lol Glad I made the right choice by going with the ECS Baffled Kit instead of the PCV delete after just having done the expensive ass carbon cleaning/manifold replacement on my TSI.
I bought one of these about a year ago and the part I received had three bolts or screws holding down a plate, after a week of use I removed the Africa plate and that metal piece was in my engine and lost all three screws inside. Be careful when ordering the catch cans from cts. My engine gave up on me since three screws fell inside and I emailed cts and they didn't bother to help me out with the repair that their product did. Waste of money and time.
That “sludge” is seperated in that “catch can” purposely. A catch can is made to catch that sludge and moisture.. from what is originally gonna be in the intake. So its doing its job? Im confused on how this is not worth it. I rather empty it then allow that sludge to go back into my intake or my crankcase. Its Just confusing. Honestly.
The factory pcv module has a regulator that maintains a constant vacuum in the crankcase. The low friction piston rings in these engines require a vacuum in the crankcase to seal properly. And all that stuff in the catch can would have been vaporized in the combustion chamber so why catch it? Catch cans dont fill up often enough to justify using them.
So thankful for this video. I'm waiting for that adapter for my setup...1.8tsi gen3, I'm gonna run the stock pcv to the cts can, and use a vtt oil cap breather that has a check valve inside to relieve whatever crankcase pressure that can't get thru the can, but also maintain pressure when I need it
I've been thinking about this. It seems to me that there is no way the engineering went into that delete device, it went into the original engineering of the PCV system. So I'm just going to hook up a catch can to the OEM PCV... I'll have to see what happens...
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
@@rohitsvs1 I eventually just hooked up the existing oil separator to a $50 catch can off eBay and seems to be working fantastically, definitely removing oil that would be otherwise burned. It's lots cheaper than most alternatives and may not have quite a one court capacity but you're pretty lazy if you're emptying that infrequently.
If your car is old then replace your pcv valve because it gets bad for the engine as it builds carbon up causing catastrophic failure, putting oil back in your intake really bad.
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
I have an Audi B7 2.0, and I use a Provent 200 With the APR PCV delete plate and it works absolutely perfectly. It has an actual dual FIBER mesh filter as well as a coalescing baffle, and even room to add a wad of stainless steel wool if you wish. I'm incredibly satisfied with it.
@@bhaveshkumar1206 They have multiple versions of the Provent for different sized engines. The 200 is a bit bigger than necessary for a 2-3 litter engine. It was originally made for diesel engines, but does the same thing for modern gas cars, because most are direct injection now, and suffer from carbon build-up behind the intake valves. They are far superior to "catch cans" because they have been in use for far longer, have a proven track record, and have actual filter elements (not just baffles like most catch cans) which has three stages (coalescing, sponge, fiber) and an optional fourth (room for a lump of steel wool which acts as a coalescing pre-filter). I fabricated a bracket for my engine bay to mount it, removed my stock PCV valve setup, installed the APR block-off plate in it's place, got the proper size oil proof hose, and the two special fittings for the Provent's intake/exits to adapt the hoses to. It's a very straightforward install. You can get everything from the Mann-Hummel site (hose, fittings), and of course the block-off plate from APR. oem.mann-hummel.com/en/oem-products/crankcase-ventilation-systems/provent-100-300.html
I didn’t even think about the issues that you said in the vid lol it really isn’t worth it, im probably gonna get a refund on my cts can for the fsi engine and keep a couple pcvs in stock for it. Just gonna run a block off plate for now, thanks for the info!
I solved the PCV problem technically. 1. Keep stock PCV system. 2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection 3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement. 4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold. 5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/- I got a link for the oil separtor. www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Great video ! I've always been skeptical about these setups , and since I saw @MDRN Engineer video : ruclips.net/video/CMNn5UdK34U/видео.html running a golf r in winter and having the pcv lines to the catch can frozen creating a major oil leak it's just not worth it.
Dude I feel your pain in regards to spending alot of money and being sold shitty cans with little to no baffling to trap those vapors but for anyone reading I do have an answer for you guys!!!! After trial and error, no limited to but including lol Nuke performance, vibrant 🤮, radium engineering and many more big name cams I’ve tried and they all let me down sadly and didn’t live up to the hype or their expectations! The only one that I’ve had success with is an America made company that’s marketed toward American cars like mustangs ect. The name of the catch I’m using with great results is called UPR 😊😊. Keep in mind this brand does not sell any can for any of your European cars lol. So don’t go bothering and asking the guy with questions about hoses and specific fittings for your engine and chassis he won’t have the ones for vw. I currently am using the upr can on my 95 bmw m3 3.0L NA which from the factory didn’t really come with a proper oil separator system to begin with so adding this has been a night and day differnce. On the later obd2 m3 96-99 cars did come with a ccv system and if my car came equipped with one of those then I still would be adding the upr catch can in line as an extra filter system to capture the vapors that the stock system couldn’t. The car has been consuming ore oil due to cylinder scoring related to a spark plug shattering inside the clyinder luckily not destroying the engine in the process, crazy shit I know?! Nothing but bad luck for me lately with my car but Shit happens. I knew my first has been using this can so after reviewing the baffling first hand I was sold on the design. My point is basically i to had to figure out how to plumb fittings and hoses to make the upr can work for my bmw application and from the looks of it things aren’t looking to promising either in the vw community so I’m going to have to go again with the upr can for my 2020 Tiguan 2.0T since it doesn’t sound like its worth the money on a preassembled kit! I just didn’t want to deal with figuring out adapter fittings and stuff for the vw. But things are never quite that simple so I hope someone else can benefit from my essay I just typed up !!! Don’t sleep boys and girls! I just dropped some knowledge here that I wish I had over a year ago because that’s how long I’ve been getting dicked with purchasing boof ass cans and being sadly let down by their performances!! Ps nothing comes out of my dirty side of the catch can besides for clean air! Lol I odd concept to imagine right ? Like a catch can that actually does what it says 😂 doesn’t it sound too good to be true ? Lol if you can’t tell by now how relieved I’ve been finalizing the m3s can situation then your still going to be chasing your tail while my pcv system and intake plenum stays free of oil and toxic shit. I can link the exact model im using for anyone interested but for us turbo guys you should get the can that supports at least 1 inlet and two outlets. You can call them and the owner himself picks up very nice knowledgeable person. My can is 3”wide and 6” tall. He has many differnt configuration and sizes! If your not afraid of using your brain a little and figuring out how to route your hoses and adapt and source the required fittings then this is your best option im giving you for a can that blows the rest out the water. Super effective did I mention that already ? Hahaha 🫡 Also if your in California like myself then you need to find someone a friend to ship it to out of state and have that friend then ship to you since the one con/negative of upr is they dont ship to California due to carb regulations wahhhh waahhhh wahhhh 🤦🏻♂️
Bough ecs catch can. Total garbage. Nothing but codes. Only a few days with it. Most products are good.. but not this. Im going to take it off and build a custom set up i think. But ya dont buy it.
@@ThatGuyTyy ya im putting my old one on back tomorrow.. i think im going to still run the catch can.. but im going to run a new pvc.. then get the tiguan suv intake elbow adapter.. it has spots for 2 lines. Then run one line to the catch can and put it on the back firewall and have the other into the intake elbow. So run the original pcv but have a shorter line set up for pressure
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Posted the links to the ECS Adapters in the description!
I ordered last night, already has ECS intercooler and Just slowing modding it to be a Malone Tuned beast inches it's done. Just not sure about the K04 turbo yet not sure I'm ready for the fuel bill 🤣🤦♂️
K04 is the way to go if you don’t wanna ever push over 400hp, k04 is great to get the best out of everything stock before you need better fueling!
Update video please how did this go
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
@@rohitsvs1 Would this work for audi A4 caeb engine 2.0L B8?
The stock pcv/oil separator has multiple ways it can fail. The large rubber diaphragm is probably the most common way, but most people don't realize that there's essentially a one way valve that is supposed to allow vacuum but prevent boost pressure from entering the system. And when it fails (and it will fail), you end up losing boost pressure and start creating oil leaks and damaging seals.
and? so lets get rid of it? done lol
Working for me no problems,,mine takes it an runs cleaned air back into the turbo not into the manifold,,me personally after running it for a bit my valves were significantly cleaner,,with absolutely no problems just my opinion
Which one do you have?
@@Markedsoulofficial the cts version
Do not delete your original pcv, you just need to add on catch cans for both vacuum and breather side. This setup is better to reduce carbon build up. If your original pcv diaphragm not strong enough to hold your upgraded boost, change it with stronger diaphragm.
This ^
Very good idea , do you have any video link?? Try to do myself thanks
Can you suggest me a better pcv for 2.0t fsi BWA engine? Mine is leaking oil like crazy and im boosting 1.6
@@yamaha9185 It is simple bro. What u need are. 1. Heater gun to open the stock hose from the coupling. 2. 16mm fuel hose to connect with coupling. 3. 16mm to 12mm hose size converter x 2. 4. 12mm hose. Others: hose clamp, bracket (i do myself with steel plate and welder), bolt and nut. Check on my RUclips, which I just uploaded.
Can you make a video!? Or isn't here a video you can share? Thanks
Well this saved me about $400 glad to see regular guys calling out the companies on their crappy products.
Soooo watching this video helped me decide on the catch can i ended up choosing..... BFI "Clean Catch" - Crankcase Oil Separator - Essential Kit EK (Transverse TSI). This kits used my OEM connections and fit absolutely perfect. I was able to use OEM pvc valve and saved money! I'm in know way a paid spokesperson, just a fellow enthusiast who learned from this video. Thanks!
Glad to hear I helped you make an informed decision!
Just leave the old pcv in place in block off the intake nipple. Run a crank case filter or run the hose below the car as a blowbye tube. Am I missing something?
Finally some common sense! Ive been saying this for years the plate is useless .The stock pcv system is fine just run the catch can after that and empty it with your regular oil changes and your engine will thank you .Lots of these products these companies sell are all hype and ppl fall for it
Ive been running cts can on 2016 golf 1.8 tsi for 2yrs & not losing oil & removing a lot of GUNK my has the pcv Delete feeds from new pcv plate to the can from the can it dumps on top of the turbo ive got 100000 miles and not having problems , I do live in seattle & do have dump the can ever 400 mile during winter. i dont know if its doing anything but i remove alot of gunk THANKS FOR VIDEO subscribers & give you thumb up
exactly what you said at 10:45 is what I have been thinking for months. Ill be looking at that again because I gave up as I couldn't find anything.
I wonder if you could just route the part that dumps the oil to the intake into a can and call it a day
Yes. You are completely right. It blew tons of the old oil into my turbo, destroying it, making me have to get a whole new one. Buy an oil separator, not a catch can.
Ty: Doesn't connecting to the intake pipe right before the turbo inlet defeat the OEM PCV valve again?
I was going to cut the OEM PCV valve to the intake hose by eliminating the plastic? up to the OEM connectors and routing appropriate hoses to the catch can.
Since I can't seem to find the factory connectors, I'd slip a hose & clamp over each of the 2 ends that remain & may need a reducer to the fittings on the catch can.
Glad you were please with my commentary, but I'm trying to find a solution too. Thanks for your help. Most owners don't even understand.
Regards,
Jim
I have had the cts catch can on my mk6 R for years works fantastic no issues.
If I were you I’d pull your intake manifold and check how much carbon build up you actually have, even after doing my carbon service and running the catch can, it literally made no difference for me running stock pcv vs. Their crappy catch can design to prevent carbon, cause it still happened
@@ThatGuyTyy just replaced the intake manifold last month, valves were clean 👌.
Interesting, do you live in North America? If not then you have multiport in your golf R, could be the reason you have clean valves, if not then I am unsure
@@ThatGuyTyy yes I live in 🇺🇸
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Found this catch can setup particularly useful when switching to a manifold with no inlet port for the OEM PCV plate. I ended up mounting a second can to the CTS bracket that uses a steel element - CTS can catches a lot of water and milkshake, and the second can catches mostly oil vapor. Has been working quite well - only if you modify it as such, though. It never prevented my carbon buildup from coming back and needing to walnut blast again as it stands on its own as a kit, without modification. On big turbo applications you want the most PCV ventilation you can get.
So are you using the CTS Block off plate and a different catch can or running 2 of them in series together?
I have a similar issue on the CTS Turbo 'Africa' plate, and now a new PCV oem.. I installed the CTS setup, and filled the 300ml can with oil in about 100 miles. Removed the plate, and installed an OEM style pcv filter back in place. 75 mile road trip, 1/2 qt of oil was sucked up by the PCV and straight into the turbo inlet. The entire inside tract of intercooler piping, as well as the inside of the intake manifold, was covered in oil. topped off the oil, drove the 75 mi back home, another 1/2 qt oil sucked through. Seems to be worse under high-vacuum situations, like highway cruise.
I've put the CC back on just so I can at least 'catch' this massive amount of oil from going through everything, until I figure out why this is happening. I even took the little inner plate off the blockoff, and stuffed that area full of baffling material (stainless pot scrubber like material) to aid in slowing down the amount of oil being pulled in, as well as drilled/tapped an m8x1 hole in the CC lid, and added a small 'vta filter' to try and drop the vacuum level the engine is seeing.. it helped, but not by much.. 30 miles resulted in about 20-25mm deep oil in the can.
Some have said it's possibly a drainback issue or some sort of check valve in the oil pan, but I've not investigated much yet. Compression and leak-down tests showed 185-190psi dry, and 208-210 wet, as well as 10-12% leakdown (across the board), so I do not think it's a ring issue or excessive blow-by.. I do need to fix it ASAP, though. $12/qt gets pricey..
Alright man thank for the VALUABLE INFO!!! I've been thinking bout doing a swap after ur video thats off.
I heavily posted on Audizine about how poorly engineer the CTS Oil Catch Can system is for the Audi S3/GolfR. On top of what you have already cover in the video as soon as I Install it my car develop a misfiring situation with rough idle till I ended up going into limp mode, sparkplugs and ignition coils where new before installing the CTS system. And the only thing that cure the problem after some extensive testing and trying to diagnose the issue was removing the CTS system and revert back to OEM PCV. Due to the similar designs of other companies I didn't wanted to have the same issues and so I when with the ECS Tunning route just like you mentioned keeping the PVC Oil valve with zero issues over a year.
I recently got curious by APR new full PVC replacement system it was a interesting design. And put the order in. I'm still waiting to receive it and will give it a try.
Can you drop the link to your post! I’d like to give it a read and put it in the description of the video if that’s cool! Appreciate the input, glad to see that this has some further testing by others
@@ThatGuyTyy www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=903773
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
How did your APR replacement PCV go?
@@nataliegrn17 it when like shit they also have poor quality, manufacturing quality issues and they leak. Had to replace it under warranty and fix it. Check this video he explains the issue
ruclips.net/video/IeYUpH2nwpI/видео.html
Did you make that video yet with the new catch can setup
Great video, as always, man. Looking forward to the video with the ecs adapter!
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Great info bro. I read on VW vortex recently that catch cans don't work good on mk6 GTI's. It was sad news because I already have one to install. But then when you mentioned doing it with the pcv and the ecs bit I was again optimistic. That's exactly what I was planning to do. Just need the hoses and the ecs bit. Cheers from Cali
Happy to help out even if it’s just a bit! Let me know how those fittings work out as I never got around to doing the setup!
@@ThatGuyTyy for sure man thanks!
You ever do it!
Thank you so much for the information! Hopefully you can make a follow-up video with the original PCV + adapter + catch can
I got the PCV kits as well but I only put the catch can between the stock pcv and intake for my gen2 EA888 engine
Also ecs has a baffled kit that utilized the stock Africa plate and an adapter for the pcv valve outlet for an 10 line. Only issue is you need an bypass hose when running in below freezing temps
After viewing you EA888 PCV/Catch Can video, I have more questions, naturally. 1) 2 fittings for ECS, 1 for the OEM valve, and one that disappears in the picture, presumably to connect to the air pipe before the turbo. Is this right?? I thought you'd split the line going to the intake manifold to add the catch can. Did I miss something??
Yep, 1 comes from the OEM valve, the other adapter goes to the intake pipe right before the turbo inlet! Most people just block off the intake manifold side with a boost tap, but in turn would also need to block the outlet on the manifold side of the PCv
Have you got a full video for a Pcv plus catch can set up ('16 Golf R )
Looking forward to the update using the ECS adapted routing. Looks like a promising improvement to the PCV.
Anyone have any experience or thoughts on the 034 Motorsports catch can for the EA113 engine? I have a stage 1 TTS 8J MK2. Would like to know if this a mod I should implement to help alleviate the gunk on the intake valves…
Gonna remove the catch can dipstick and install a M8 bolt with a barbed fitting for a breather filter to relieve pressure.
Can you make a video on how you do it and where you get the parts
@@isackhernandez3691 It didn’t work ☹️, oil was still leaking from the rear breather hose that connects the pcv plate to the intake.Just put your old pcv valve back get 006235ECS01 and 006235ECS02. Keep the oil catch can, hoses and AN fittings. No more oil leak after getting rid of that shitty billet CTS Turbo pcv plate.
TY! Eureka! I knew there had to be someone out there that had the same idea that I finally concluded after study. I've been on my own personal frickin' quest to find out what's going on to contribute to diamond making in the VW EA888 Gen 1 engine. The very idea of getting rid of the PCV (not PVC!) valve seemed insane to me (Mechanical Designer, former Mechanic & Vintage Muscle Car fanatic), unless it'd be plumbed in somewhere else. I found the lunacy of DELETING the valve as well, with all these jewelry kit$ permeating the aftermarket. I can't believe a) People don't understand the PCV system in its most basic form, b) That companies put actual shit out there, giving people more headaches and an empty wallet to boot! Shame on you! I reckoned one could somehow make the connection to a catch can from the OEM assembly. But the install would need to be "clean", not hacked. Yes, ECS - whatever; just bought the OEM kit, including both hoses. Then I found you, TY, after hours of research. Thanks for puttin' this video - WELL DONE!
Glad I could be of help mate! Keep me updated on how this works as I know the comments on this video particular get a lot of visitors
I got sick of my PCV failing on me. Never had any issues since getting rid of it.
A catch can with a small ccv cone filter on the outlet for my TDI
Blast the inlet valves, clean everything on the intake and run a catch can to atmosphere. No oil entering the intake apart from the turbo bearings. The breather just stops blow-by pressurising the crankcase/cam cover. PCV was introduced for emissions, venting hydrocarbons to atmosphere is bad and all that. If you're burning a lot of oil it's getting past the rings or your turbo bearings are worn so it's ending up in the intake, PCV or not isn't going to fix that. If it's EA888 it's probably fucked rings which is pretty standard. We used to drill and pipe cam covers for extra vents on race engines plus crankcase to catch can and atmosphere no emissions reg PCV.😂 No other reason for it really apart from burning those hydrocarbons.
I think the biggest reason not to pcv delete/catch can (for me at least) is the aftermarket kits don't have any valve in them. Pretty sure you ought to have a one-way valve in the PCV system.
Yo did you ever make a video on how to set it up with those adapters…I need to see where the other an fitting goes so I can try it out
Really useful video, been looking at various options for my S3 and always preferred with delete, for looks more than anything though. Defo going the ECS solution now so thanks :)
Bad idea with pcv delete, it keep leaking the rocker over gasket. You can install catch can without deleting pcv you need to modify it.
have you tried to put scotchbrite between the baffles on the oil-catch-can intake side?
What if my golf r already is burning oil on pulls, zero catch can. Should I run one off the stock PCV? It’s stage 3 bigger turbo btw
Have you done your version of the catch can? I ordered those parts. Hope it works
Hi mate, from the uk i cant see the links for the pcv catch can parts ??
Great video btw makes alot of sense
what if you use the stock pcv andd split into the exit hose to the turbo and put the catch can inline with it
Pretty sure the oil catch can makes you catch the oil and not burn it xD I just bought a 2006 Audi A4 2.0T with the FSI and it already has a PCV delete with no catch can. Been trying to figure out the downsides to this. Makes the engine leak oil? Everyone says this stock PCV often fails making you leak oil, lose boost, etc, so I don't really wanna put it back on if it's not necessary
I don't know about about the CTS system, but I've installed the integrated engineering block off plate with the catch can. The plate on the integrated system has bigger channels, and a plate installed under the plate (if that makes sense) to keep oil travel through that to a minimum. Deleting the valve and installing the plate and catch can was one of the best upgrades we did to the car.....so to say they are all a waste of money I think is false. You don't really have anything to back it up, more of an opinion. The OEM systems are JUNK! Absolutely not rated for some of the power upgraded cars have. The car I was referring to has quite a few mods. So yea if you install this on a stock-ish car it might not be worth it. If you're running some extra beans, I would HIGHLY rec the integrated kit.
The design of the CTS one would most likely not be sufficient for even larger turbo applications, different design may be a completely different ball game depending on filtration/ restriction in the kit. Obviously can’t speak on first hand experience for other kits, however for the price tag there are better mods people can spend their money on compared to a catch can on a stock turbo car.
I’ve read online the IE kit is good, due to the actual design and RND of it, the forums are littered with the same opinion on the CTS one so 🤷
@@ThatGuyTyy I tried to find more info also...all I know is the car doesn't burn oil, and It holds boost at a more solid PSI. Before, you could see it would hit target boost, then fall a few PSI and be all over the place inbetween. After....hits target and stays there! Looking at the design of the underside of the plate on the CTS one, it looks like oil would have no issue going right into the Intake. The baffle on the bottom of the IE unit prevents that. I do agree...it was expensive. But this is for a car he will have for the long run. Investment so to speak. Thanks for bringing this up about the CTS system, interesting to see. For such a big company, guess they didn't test this enough eh? Lol.
Another important note about the IE system. Both lines connect to the TOP of the engine via the plate that replaces the valve. No oil in intake, engine can breathe. If you have a tuned/modified GTI this is much needed and will make a huge difference.
@@paranormalextract4976 thank you for saying this I have the IE catch can setup atm and was seriously getting worried by watching this lol
I put a ko4 on my a3 (ea888.1) and it’s full of oil already. Very disappointed and I’m going to buy another stock one
So my OEM PCV continues to break. About 3 times this year. I have the ECS catch can system that hooks up to original PCV. Do I need to replace the PCV again or can I run catch can with faulty PCV? If I replace will PCV continue to break as it currently is? TIA
Your PCV should not constantly be breaking… have you replaced the entire unit or just the internals?
@@ThatGuyTyy I’ve replaced the entire unit each time. Many shops have confirmed it is the PCV that ends up faulty. That and when I replace PCV, my symptoms go away for a few more months.
I bought this and was using a BSH catch can and was getting smoke around the rear pcv entrance . i was quite upset with it and took it off when back to stock
Nice video, very informative. I have a stock 2.0 Non turbo FSI engine Golf from 2005 and i am looking at installing a catch can. I dont see any kits being sold for this motor so i was wondering if i were to put a adaptor on the in and out of the stock PCV would that work to the same notion of what you have explained? Thanks
I’m a little late to this bud, but I have bought a catch can Bartek one, for my EA888 mk7 golf gti. What would you recommend for this instead? Thanks!
I would honestly get one that piggybacks the OEM PCV system and doesn't remove it fully
Problem is the factory PCV system has so many problems that it is better to install one despite the drawbacks. Best way to do it would actually be to vent to atmosphere but some people care about emissions
Modern cars dint vta very well they work better with a vacuume source
Any updates on this? How’s the ecs one doing?
Thoughts on Ultimate IE Plus SAi | N249 | PCV | EVAP Delete Kit | Mk4 1.8T from uro tuning? Has a catch can from Intergreted Engineering
Hey any updates on this and the install of these parts from ecs to the stock pcv
I wish I watched this before I bought the 034 kit. It introduced a ton of pressure and blew gaskets like they were paper.
I think you hit them hard but at least they know their product it's a waste of money,,OEM PVC with oil catch can it just work fine,,,nice vid man and a common sense 👍
Got any links or such to how you would actually do it? or using those parts
You definitely need a catch can stage 2 and up... stock pcv isn't designed to keep up with higher boost levels you are aware factory pcv systems run directly to the turbo inlet? Modern cars need a vacume source to operate pcv correctly.
Well, I forgot to look at the links - for $54, I can have want I want and the install won't look cheesy then.
Are you an engineer? Just wondering if you understand surface tension with those baffles
Not at all, nor do I claim to be. I just understand that when you do process of elimination for when your car consumes 1 litre of oil in 1000km and find that putting the stock part back on fixes your issue completely compared to a “performance upgrade” there is clearly something wrong 😂
@@ThatGuyTyy I got you! I’m not running a catch can or pvc delete in my mk7 yet but I’m a locomotive mechanical engineer and see the flaws your seeing. I’m surprised all the surface area on that doesn’t create enough surface tension. Are the holes staggered or are they all the same meaning a toothpick will go right through all the holes like lined up
When I first got it they were aligned, I read about offsetting them so I did by flipping every other plate to offset and it made no difference whatsoever, honestly if youre considering running one I would look into a company that has a better baffling system/ copper filtering or something, or literally just just a catch can inline of the stock pcv
@@ThatGuyTyy ya I may just say fuck It like you did. Great video!
I have this set up. Will it cause random smoke to come out of my exhaust?
It will cause your vehicle to burn oil so blue smoke yes
Dude thanks for the video. This shit has been driving me crazy. I just ordered the adaptors from ecs.
I just looked at the parts fitment guide on ecs tunings website, it’s says Audi. Will these fit my mk6 GTI?
Glad to hear I could help! I will do a review on them once mine arrive, cross border shipping is crazy back logged rn, also they should fit a mk6 gti no problem, we have the same engines and they’ll fit my car
I’m assuming I block off the hole in my CTS intake where there breather hose from the pcv goes.
I’m a little bit late to the video but would it be possible to run an eBay catch can by basically putting it in series with the hose that leads from the PCV to the intake? So the stuff would have to run through the PCV then the catch can then back to the intake? Pretty sure that’s what the adapters do right? Also while I’m here what do you do with the catch can in the winter? And finally what about having a catch can that just collects everything and doesn’t go back into the intake? Why would it route back into the intake if that’s bad? Emissions, I assume? I gotta do a lot of research but any information you or anyone else can send my way would be greatly appreciated. I noticed some oil in my intake and cat the other day and just wanna get on top of it.
You’re exactly right, the point of the adapters is to run a catch can inline from the pcv outlet to the intake to catch the small amount that makes it through the PCV. Running it back into the intake is necessary to eliminate built up pressure in the crankcase, hence “positive crankcase ventilation valve”, in the winter I just removed it all together, freezes and causes even more restriction and bypasses the can when it’s full so no point
@@ThatGuyTyy ok that makes sense. I got one more question if that’s ok. I found out the mk6 has two hoses coming from the PCV, one to the intake manifold and one to just before the turbo. Does it matter where it dumps after the catch can? Like could I route both through a catch can and then have it dump just before the turbo, and block of the intake manifold connection?
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Once I saw you grab a CTS box it all made sense to me.
😂😂😂 glad to see others are educated on this brand
Love the video bro, thanks. Almost wasted 499 USD
Don’t be like me where it blew my motor 😂
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
which port when doing it this way with the pcv be considered in and out?
Aye you got a link to that ECS adapter thing? I have an 034 plate and can and I have been questioning for a while. I’m down to give it a try.
Just posted the links in the description!
Thanks for reminding me
Dang! That was a waste... haha (I got the same). I'm really surprised that manufacturers put out products that don't work. Def looks cool though. I'd been sooting up the tips pretty badly at WOT - wondering if its rich or if it is sucking oil up top. I'd like to see if you'd try and run the CTS can and hoses with that ECS piece. I might do the same. I really like the can. I'd hate to take the loss or just try and sell it, so I want to make it work.
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
What about the apr kit that still uses the stock pcv?
Do you have a link to it?
@@ThatGuyTyy www.goapr.com/products/engine_hardware/catch_cans/apr_catch_can_-_pq35_18t_20t_ea888_gen_1/
Still uses stock Africa plate but doesn’t have the line coming from the manifold
Yes same idea!
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Mild anxiety when I saw this video lol
Glad I made the right choice by going with the ECS Baffled Kit instead of the PCV delete after just having done the expensive ass carbon cleaning/manifold replacement on my TSI.
I bought one of these about a year ago and the part I received had three bolts or screws holding down a plate, after a week of use I removed the Africa plate and that metal piece was in my engine and lost all three screws inside. Be careful when ordering the catch cans from cts. My engine gave up on me since three screws fell inside and I emailed cts and they didn't bother to help me out with the repair that their product did. Waste of money and time.
That “sludge” is seperated in that “catch can” purposely. A catch can is made to catch that sludge and moisture.. from what is originally gonna be in the intake. So its doing its job? Im confused on how this is not worth it. I rather empty it then allow that sludge to go back into my intake or my crankcase. Its Just confusing. Honestly.
The factory pcv module has a regulator that maintains a constant vacuum in the crankcase. The low friction piston rings in these engines require a vacuum in the crankcase to seal properly. And all that stuff in the catch can would have been vaporized in the combustion chamber so why catch it? Catch cans dont fill up often enough to justify using them.
Always appreciating the content !
What’s the ECS tunning AN Fitting adapter called ? Can’t seem to find it
I think it’s just called “ECS PCV adapter” and it should come up, I’ll post links in the description in a bit
Wow I wish I saw this video before buy it. I went thru all problems you describe ,Stock pcv works better
Mine just gets full of oil in few pulls, and have to keep filling up my oil. Can this be the cause 100%?
So thankful for this video. I'm waiting for that adapter for my setup...1.8tsi gen3, I'm gonna run the stock pcv to the cts can, and use a vtt oil cap breather that has a check valve inside to relieve whatever crankcase pressure that can't get thru the can, but also maintain pressure when I need it
Great info thanks 👍🏾
Same thing here
thanks a million you saved me 800$
I've been thinking about this. It seems to me that there is no way the engineering went into that delete device, it went into the original engineering of the PCV system. So I'm just going to hook up a catch can to the OEM PCV... I'll have to see what happens...
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
@@rohitsvs1 I eventually just hooked up the existing oil separator to a $50 catch can off eBay and seems to be working fantastically, definitely removing oil that would be otherwise burned. It's lots cheaper than most alternatives and may not have quite a one court capacity but you're pretty lazy if you're emptying that infrequently.
If your car is old then replace your pcv valve because it gets bad for the engine as it builds carbon up causing catastrophic failure, putting oil back in your intake really bad.
This is how the Bms one works. I’d say in my testing it’s just as pointless
Wanna sell it?
good details here
just intall a check valve before the pcv valve
I just bought a catch can 😂 gonna give it a try.
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
Have you priced an oem pcv valve your way off with the $100 brother...lol.
Go on rock auto, cross reference the part # from OEM and come back here and tell me how much an OEM quality one is, I will wait :)
I have an Audi B7 2.0, and I use a Provent 200 With the APR PCV delete plate and it works absolutely perfectly. It has an actual dual FIBER mesh filter as well as a coalescing baffle, and even room to add a wad of stainless steel wool if you wish. I'm incredibly satisfied with it.
Hi, isn't provent 200 catch for diesel engines only and rated up till 250kw?
Appreciate your feedback on how yoy made it all work???
@@bhaveshkumar1206 They have multiple versions of the Provent for different sized engines. The 200 is a bit bigger than necessary for a 2-3 litter engine. It was originally made for diesel engines, but does the same thing for modern gas cars, because most are direct injection now, and suffer from carbon build-up behind the intake valves. They are far superior to "catch cans" because they have been in use for far longer, have a proven track record, and have actual filter elements (not just baffles like most catch cans) which has three stages (coalescing, sponge, fiber) and an optional fourth (room for a lump of steel wool which acts as a coalescing pre-filter).
I fabricated a bracket for my engine bay to mount it, removed my stock PCV valve setup, installed the APR block-off plate in it's place, got the proper size oil proof hose, and the two special fittings for the Provent's intake/exits to adapt the hoses to. It's a very straightforward install. You can get everything from the Mann-Hummel site (hose, fittings), and of course the block-off plate from APR.
oem.mann-hummel.com/en/oem-products/crankcase-ventilation-systems/provent-100-300.html
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So youre not gonna use it anymore? Give it to me 😂
yyyy just block out of catch can , plug manifold an thats it all go to catch can
Stuff Brillo between 2 of the baffles
I didn’t even think about the issues that you said in the vid lol it really isn’t worth it, im probably gonna get a refund on my cts can for the fsi engine and keep a couple pcvs in stock for it. Just gonna run a block off plate for now, thanks for the info!
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or replace filter as per your requirement.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
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Great video ! I've always been skeptical about these setups , and since I saw @MDRN Engineer video : ruclips.net/video/CMNn5UdK34U/видео.html
running a golf r in winter and having the pcv lines to the catch can frozen creating a major oil leak it's just not worth it.
Cts is China metal
Dude I feel your pain in regards to spending alot of money and being sold shitty cans with little to no baffling to trap those vapors but for anyone reading I do have an answer for you guys!!!! After trial and error, no limited to but including lol Nuke performance, vibrant 🤮, radium engineering and many more big name cams I’ve tried and they all let me down sadly and didn’t live up to the hype or their expectations! The only one that I’ve had success with is an America made company that’s marketed toward American cars like mustangs ect. The name of the catch I’m using with great results is called UPR 😊😊. Keep in mind this brand does not sell any can for any of your European cars lol. So don’t go bothering and asking the guy with questions about hoses and specific fittings for your engine and chassis he won’t have the ones for vw. I currently am using the upr can on my 95 bmw m3 3.0L NA which from the factory didn’t really come with a proper oil separator system to begin with so adding this has been a night and day differnce. On the later obd2 m3 96-99 cars did come with a ccv system and if my car came equipped with one of those then I still would be adding the upr catch can in line as an extra filter system to capture the vapors that the stock system couldn’t. The car has been consuming ore oil due to cylinder scoring related to a spark plug shattering inside the clyinder luckily not destroying the engine in the process, crazy shit I know?! Nothing but bad luck for me lately with my car but Shit happens. I knew my first has been using this can so after reviewing the baffling first hand I was sold on the design. My point is basically i to had to figure out how to plumb fittings and hoses to make the upr can work for my bmw application and from the looks of it things aren’t looking to promising either in the vw community so I’m going to have to go again with the upr can for my 2020 Tiguan 2.0T since it doesn’t sound like its worth the money on a preassembled kit! I just didn’t want to deal with figuring out adapter fittings and stuff for the vw. But things are never quite that simple so I hope someone else can benefit from my essay I just typed up !!! Don’t sleep boys and girls! I just dropped some knowledge here that I wish I had over a year ago because that’s how long I’ve been getting dicked with purchasing boof ass cans and being sadly let down by their performances!!
Ps nothing comes out of my dirty side of the catch can besides for clean air! Lol I odd concept to imagine right ? Like a catch can that actually does what it says 😂 doesn’t it sound too good to be true ? Lol if you can’t tell by now how relieved I’ve been finalizing the m3s can situation then your still going to be chasing your tail while my pcv system and intake plenum stays free of oil and toxic shit. I can link the exact model im using for anyone interested but for us turbo guys you should get the can that supports at least 1 inlet and two outlets. You can call them and the owner himself picks up very nice knowledgeable person. My can is 3”wide and 6” tall. He has many differnt configuration and sizes! If your not afraid of using your brain a little and figuring out how to route your hoses and adapt and source the required fittings then this is your best option im giving you for a can that blows the rest out the water. Super effective did I mention that already ? Hahaha 🫡
Also if your in California like myself then you need to find someone a friend to ship it to out of state and have that friend then ship to you since the one con/negative of upr is they dont ship to California due to carb regulations wahhhh waahhhh wahhhh 🤦🏻♂️
Bough ecs catch can. Total garbage. Nothing but codes. Only a few days with it. Most products are good.. but not this. Im going to take it off and build a custom set up i think. But ya dont buy it.
Yah just do the adapters and grab a good researched catch can with some actual R&D and just run it on your own lines
@@ThatGuyTyy ya im putting my old one on back tomorrow.. i think im going to still run the catch can.. but im going to run a new pvc.. then get the tiguan suv intake elbow adapter.. it has spots for 2 lines. Then run one line to the catch can and put it on the back firewall and have the other into the intake elbow. So run the original pcv but have a shorter line set up for pressure
But ya.. i should have done more research. Total garbage.. noting but rough idles and missfire codes
Snake oil hardware lol
That why u buy the Racingline version bro vs trying to save money on some junk knock-off smh
Bruh this video is over 2 years old - as said in the video there are better ones out there 😂
@@ThatGuyTyy lol I guess ur right its two years old lol I have the Racingline and the quality is second to none but fuk $760 is hiway robbery smfh