When I go winter camping in the woods, I always take an electric car battery with me in case I get lost so I can start a life saving campfire until the rescuers show up days later.
@@Rekuzan My post was not well worded. I should have said EV battery (not electric-flooded) and my sarcasm flopped - I meant the EV battery would self ignite (I know -yuk yuk) But you are right - some steel wool and a 9 volt battery would do the trick.
"La la-la la-la, I'm so virtuous saving the world driving my uber-eco EV. Don't you want to be like me?" "What's that sound, the car is playing drums to accompany me, how nice. I'll just pull in this uber-packed parking garage to show these IC people what a REAL car is." Poof!!
About 10 years ago, in one of our districts, a husband and wife's ICE car caught on fire while driving. Since they were close to home, they pulled in their garage to call in the fire. We responded to a vehicle fire, only to roll up to a structure fire. Some people just don't think
My department responded to fires where someone had a car problem and rolled up to gas pumps to check it out, only to have flames greet them when they open the hood. It's kind of an understandable thing to do, go to where they have basic car things and no one EXPECTS their car is actually on fire, but it does make the response more interesting, especially if the kid in the store didn't pull the emergency pump disconnects.
"You won't guess what happens next" um, i read the title and guessed right! The complexity of the failure cases for these large batteries is huge! Thanks for these videos!
@WhiteTrashMotorsports Their's one video you can see an Ev burning at a traffic light. The flatbed parked in front, in the middle of an intersection, still in the upright position where he dumped it off because it reignited.
Ev burn at higher temps. If your flatbed is the standard model then the ev burning may damage the metal plate and potentially catch your truck on fire as well. Ice cars almost never reignite while towing so this is a newish problem. The current procedures seem to be wrapping the car in a fire proof blanket for transport. This is a double edged sword as it helps combat the fire but also traps all the heat and toxic materials on the truck. So theres a concern about decontamination as well as potential damage.
There are patk garages in Germany that had major issues with insurance and now no longer allow EV's. They submerge EV into a water bath, which is not easy in a park garage. The city was trying to fight that decision, but lost, due to enough evidence about risk with EV in relation to fire fighting. That might become more of an issue if more people drive EV in other places as well. Time will tell...
I live in Brussels in a house with a garage. My wife may get a company car but I´ve already said that if it´s an EV, it will only be parked on the street.
@stavrosk.2868 you can look up Kulmbach, that's where they decided to no longer allow EV and Hybrids. Once people look at the complications and cost of EV fires, it makes sense. At least on the street they can access properly.
If I were a parking garage owner wouldn’t allow EV’s to park. Just to much risk to the employees and patrons. I’m guessing the NFPA is updating the requirements for parking facilities that accommodate EV’s.
Already started in Europe in some parking garages. IF they sell more EV's, there will be more fires by percentage, fire issues will go up and than it may happen here. As insurance will refuse to cover the high risks of dealing with such a fire hazard in a park garage
Intelligence of the average American? Stellantis put the battery of the Jeep Wrangle 4xe inside the passenger compartment. And the regulators allowed it. Lol. If this driver would have had the battery inside the passenger compartment it could have saved the damage to the parking garage. What we need are batteries that give off enough oxidizers when burning that the battery blanket doesn't stop anything.
Not related to batteries or fires but for several years now I've laughed (inside) at the thot of FLYING cars - with the intelligence of the average driver (as you point out) the population will take a sharp downturn. LOLOL
New apartment buildings in Australia have a requirement that every parking space has provision for EV charging. There is absolutely zero fire safety provision to go with that charging point requirement. We are setting ourselves up for disaster
You already are set up for disaster with your gas car. ICEVs are 30x more likely to catch fire in the first place than a BEV and BEV don’t have fuel tanks that can fail and rapidly spread fire to multiple areas on multiple levels.
@@DebbieOnTheSpot you might want to read this and rethink who you trust for your information and why the people you have been listening to are lying to you. Gas vs. Electric Car Fires [2024 Findings] - AutoinsuranceEZ
You can't really prosecute stupidity or lack of education. I work in engineering and you would not believe the total lack of knowledge in youngsters who apparently have qualifications. It's mindboggling. They are trained in school to know that their testicles don't make them any less of a woman but have no idea what a fuel/air detonation is. Trust me it's bad. Especially if you have to work near them.
A: well really most legitimately DON'T KNOW (because the manufacturer who sold them the car is sure as hell not going to tell them). as ive mentioned before, "underwiting" these events (pun intended) is the relatively GOOD safety record of Li-Ion Batteries produced for Consumer Electronics (ie, Smart Phones, Laptops, Cordless Tools, etc) so what you have is a WHOLE PLANET of people lulled into a "False Sense of Security"... quite naturally then when Consumers make "First Contact" with an Electric Vehicle...? what they're going to do is CONFLATE their "wonderful Cell Phone experience", with the way they think about and use EV's, and you don't have to be a Fire Marshall to predict that it's a RECIPE FOR DISASTER... this event (and the numerous other events in the news the past 10 years) proves this "recipe" is SUPER TASTY.
@@williammeek4078 Actually that's bullshit, I just read a bunch of reports and NONE of them said definitively that a "diesel car" started it. There are THEORIES, but no proof. It's obvious that the majority of the damage was due to ZERO fire suppression. And, the FACT is if that many EV's burned the fire would have been a lot WORSE. Nice try though smoothbrain.
I note with the UK media that over the years the media, at these times, has looked for eye witnesses and speculation to tell what happened and what they saw. Now, with fires started and buildings collapsing in Luton, Liverpool, London, no one is saying what they think really happened (whether trad vehicle or EV involved), not speculating the reason for the fire, just generally describing the local scenery at the time - smoke, flames etc.
The ironic thing is that even Tesla themselves are telling people not to park inside a garage while charging because it might burn your house down! There's a reason charging stations are situated SOOOO far away from the main building...
Here in Germany EVs are not even allowed in multi-story or underground community car parks because of the risk of fire. These cars can spontaneously combust at any time regardless if they're being charged, driven or just parked somewhere.
@@TheGOF Yes, and the fact you are merely reporting is that Tesla irresponsibly fails to warn its customers that its products represent specific dangers.
Part of the scam was allowing these things to be sold when there was no firefighting plan worked out between experts. Doesn't matter how 'popular' they are. So is Fentanyl. Consumers should not be able to put this burden on tow drivers and emergency responders.
that's what ive been asking for the last 15 years, Q1: (other than their bravery and commitment to Public Service) why is it the BURDEN of Fire Fighters - not Tesla - to figure out a good way to deal with this hazard AFTER THE FACT...? and Q2: what if it turns out THERE IS NO GOOD WAY to deal with this...? (which we've discovered there really isn't)
@@phillyphil1513 Were I in charge the answer to your question would be "stop sale until OEMs get this right" but that's why I'm not in charge, isn't it?
I am not surprised as an Ex firefighter who understands how Lithium Batteries work. They are a chemical fire hazard, and extremely dangerous, due to self combustion (which ICE DON'T DO) and more so when in an enclosed space such as any garage. They are not fit for purpose, Period!! They are already banned in many underground car parks and the London Fire Brigade advise not to charge lithium batteries indoors. There will be more fires. -sadly, a lot more!!
Dumb move to drive into the carpark BUT, given that the technology is so cutting edge new, people have faith that it must be okay, because after all, it was designed by experts!! The UK Post Office Horizon scandal is a perfect example of this. New hardware and software launched around 2000 was FULL of bugs but because most users were new to computers, they thought it was THEIR fault when things went wrong! The Post Office and Fujitsu refused to acknowledge the faults because it would cost them money, trash both brands and destroy their careers. They sacrificed Postmasters instead. You don't know what you don't know. Just wait till one of these EVs goes up in a high-rise basement at night, or in a tunnel with bumper-to-bumper traffic. Unfortunately, I believe that's what will happen before we get any common sense on EVs, and even then, I'll bet the authorities will just double down. It will be up to the ordinary person to reject this madness..
@@StacheDTraining right. My assumption was that all ev charging in parking garages are close together to save on installation costs. Perhaps this should include a separation/distance factor in the future.
@@deleteduser3749 I'm sure it will eventually, but when it comes to the government, any government really, they are slow to respond at best. Seriously, I've seen continents move faster than Congress.
oddly enough the 4 car Lucid parking/L2 charging area for the Lucid showroom nearest me is on the bottom deck of a Multi-Level Concrete Parking Garage. the showroom itself is in a Mall and the Parking Garage they use for staging Test Drives is the one attached to the Mall. i'm assuming it's a temporary set-up for sales...? but as soon as i saw it, i said okay "there's a 1000 ways this stunt can go wrong"... this was months before the Fire and Collapse at London's Luton Airport but months AFTER we had loaded Fuel Tanker crash locally, catch fire, and take out a 6 lane section of Concrete Exit Overpass for I-95 outside of Philadelphia (everyone may have seen this story on the news since it went National).
You would think a self driving rolling computer could determine if a battery you can hear popping is having an issue and at the very least not allow charging. You'd also think it wouldn't allow you to bring it near a structure once a battery issue was detected.
There is a new condo complex with underground parking. As of now they are allowing EV'S and will install chargers, at a cost to owners. If I was looking for a condo, that would be a deal breaker for me.
This is an example of a worse case example of an EV battery fire in an enclosed parking area how very dangerous is that all those extremely toxic smoke been contained in an enclosed parking area
Still loving your pronunciation of 'garage'. 😂 I think this is what happened at Luton airport in the UK - some idiot driving their burning EV into the MULTI STOREY CAR PARK and rushing for their flight whilst telling staff to deal with the fire.
This is a perfect example of why 'towing drones' are so important these days. The tow truck driver can remotely operate the drone to pull the car out of the garage without endangering their own life or health.
Visibility will be difficult for whatever cameras the drone is equipped with considering all the thick, white smoke in the structure. Also, the drone had better be diesel-powered.
EV battery technology is not ready for prime time. EV technology should have been allowed to evolve naturally instead of being forced on the general public and/or mandated. One thing that would have made a lot more sense was to mandate a standard for battery construction so, no matter what brand of EV a person buys or EMS has to deal with would be a known factor. None of this was possible due to everything being rushed to market. I think it was a big mistake to not let EVs evolve at their own pace. They are clearly not a straight up substitute for ICE vehicles but they do have potential as short haul transports or errand runners which, by the way, is the way most people use their cars. There are a lot of ICE vehicles that suffer from being used only for short trips as the engines and transmissions never get up to proper operating temperatures. In these situations, for example as a second car for a suburban family, they would serve quite effectively.
For a while now i do some research about the Pro and Cons and the dangers of a DIY solar battery system . A heard / saw many story's about lithium battery based EV's and the ongoing fire's when they light up so lithium is out of the question . What is in your opinion the best battery to use in a DIY setup with the lowest dangers .
There needs to be a way too quickly and safely remove battery pack/s from an EV in case of a fire without endangering the fire dept worker or mechanic.
Battery are too big too heavy, not replaceable, difficult to analyze and monitor, installed at the bottom so incompatible with crossing water. These are dangerous, and use too high voltage and amps. Countries must come back to ice engine and continue to make better engine. I bought a Bronco Sport Badlands 2.0L turbo in july 2021 and it is 100 % reliable. I love it. Perfect car for me.
how is there no battery safety management in the car that would shut it down and dial 911/000 as soon as something like this was detected? i think this is on the manufacturers to improve. also maybe there should be special parking places for cars with "faults".. what SHOULD the owner have done?
"what should...have done?" They should have driven to an area like an empty parking lot (away from ppl, cars, bldgs, etc); then got out, called emergency services & waited.
Are the blankets reused, or toxic waste that needs to be buried.. does someones insurance pay for replacement to keep the budget getting hit at the fire station.
I'm afraid the average public person are just plain thick nowadays, driving a sick EV into a garage 😡😡 I can see a lot of people loosing their life in future because of EVs, very sad what we've become, thick educated people.
Reports I've seen show ONE Cargo Ship emits as much pollution as 50 million ice cars. 15-17 ships (depending on which report you read) emit as much pollution as the world's entire fleet of cars. More than 5,000 Cargo Ships in operation...
Damn. I'd like to read those reports, especially considering that marine shipping is the most efficient form of cargo transport on the planet. Even bulk cargo carriers are 55 times more efficient than airborne shipping. So, by your math, each Boeing 747 at MTOW with goods produces the emissions of 27,531,645,569 cars? I'm surprised the Earth still has a transparent atmosphere.
@@auxityneI googled cargo ship pollution versus cars and found it very easily... Then I searched how many cargo ships. Both were easy to find. Obviously... cars are not the problem
So much concern about EVs causing carpark fires, yet it was a Diesel Land Rover that burnt down the carpark at Luton Airport in England that destroyed 1500 cars! Any type of vehicle fire can cause massive damage in the right location.
So when exactly are the supposed Health and Safety regulators going to weigh in on this crazy situation? If I tried to bring to market a product that was 10% of the danger these EV's represent I would be shut down on the spot. We all know that every one of these terrible vehicles will end up this way. People have burned to death, unable to escape. Fire crews cannot even touch the bodywork for fear of fatal electric shock.
Sometimes, it is unavoidable that a child or beloved pet is left in a parked vehicle. Surely, it is only a matter of time before there are fatalities. ICE vehicles don’t tend to ignite when parked.
I almost pulled into a parking space next to a Tesla. However, I decided to park further away, as I decided, even although the probability was zero, why take the chance it might burst into flames???
Well Patrick mate in my own opinion and I am no expert of course what concerns me is even if those battery modules are separated a you describe surely the immense heat that just one pack could melt through that casing and then set off a chain reaction with the other cells/packs in the total battery compartment??
That’s why you shouldn’t be able to fit an ev charger in an underground parking. However in Poland, thanks to net zero zealots, you now not only can retrofit one next to your parking space but do so without other residents’ approval. Which is catastrophically idiotic and just shows how ignorance is bliss until it’s not.
I try to avoid parking near them. This is madness. EV's need to be outlawed right now. It's too soon folks. After we get clean power generation done and redo a real national grid, then let's do EV's.
No failure warnings to see here, just go shopping. Imagine the owner finding an investigator instead their vehicle. True that Toyota is bowing out of the EV market?
I keep on seeing things by EV enthusiasts who insist that EV fires aren't anything to worry about, then I hear the other side of the coin from other people who talk about things like thermal runaway. Then the other side says that a blanket can extinguish an EV fire, but others say that the EV can potentially start right back up burning, days or even weeks later. The official truth is being obscured, but the unofficial truth is that I'm not going to buy an EV. Someone else can take the risk.
@@patrickchubey3127 Stache is a firefighter he is citing news stories and personal experience from his work community. I don't think he is trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doom. He understands the unique issues surrounding EV fires that enthusiasts generally ignore or try to downplay.
I think he's telling the truth. What I'm getting at is all the conflicting information out there. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about and I believe him but there are so many dissenting opinions floating around. One tesla owning fire fighter clearly downplayed the danger of thermal runaway in his comment, and he's a fire fighter, right, he should know the truth, but with so many different opinions going around about the same thing the people promoting EVs can slant the most dangerous aspects of electric vehicles and make they appear beneficial and safe. I just think that we need more official sources of information than youtube, though to be honest I've been learning about all the downsides of EVs from youtube when MSN is still promoting them as safe and reliable. One day the truth will come out, probably sooner than later but for right now the maze of conflicting claims and statements out there is really confusing.
Respectfully Patrick, I appreciate that you are operating within the training space, but blaming the owner or driver (rental cars) for this event is not fair and I would even argue it is counterproductive to the passion you have to improve the fire service and EV safety. We should NEVER blame the owner for stuff like this and hear me out. Here is the proper question regarding this incident...... why doesn't the manufacturer design the software and sensors for the battery pack where the BMS detects that pressure relief valves vented on some cells in the pack and vapors/gases were emitted so it SHUTS DOWN THE CAR? We know the gases that vent so why not require monitors in each module and within the larger pack that detect venting and/or large temperature fluctuations within individual cells or modules? Perhaps even an audible alarm or some direction from the touchscreen might be reasonable to notify the driver that an unusual event has just occurred? We preach smoke detectors all the time with good reason, but a person could continue to drive around on top of a large battery that had an easily detectable overpressure event (thermal runaway) or they could drive it to their destination and hook it to a charger? Have you not had one of these offered or preselected at a rental counter when you travel and teach? If this narrative is correct (and I have no reason to suspect it is not) why would they possibly design a car that would still operate or even worse accept a charge after such an event? At what point is this negligence by the manufacturer? We are approaching this all wrong and should demand that manufacturers engineer better safety. We are putting kids on electric school buses for God’s sake and this is the level of safety being built into the vehicles? Look at the spectacular Paris bus fire video that looked like a 4th of July fireworks show. A passerby allegedly (I didn’t investigate this) had to notify the bus driver that there was vapor coming from the bus. Thankfully this occurred so the driver had time to evacuate the bus before it exploded and burned up in a most nasty fashion. WHY does the vehicle not detect such a noticeable change? These things monitor and predict range every few seconds but they cannot be equipped with failure detection equipment and software? I bet MOST firefighters don’t even know what that venting sounds like or what it means. You do. I do. Most have no clue. I sure don’t expect my wife to know if she arrives at the airport and gets an EV foisted upon her. What if the “popping” occurred with the last rental and not my wife (who would call and ask me) who blissfully drives down the road completely unaware she is driving down the road on top of a battery pack on the edge of thermal runaway or damaged cells because the smart screen says nothing? What do you want to bet there is NOTHING in the owner’s manual about this? I have not looked, but I will make that bet and would be happy to be wrong. I have checked before related to a fire with a different brand and there was no common sense warning that would have likely prevented the incident (damage) and subsequent fire. We need to start sticking this on the manufacturer..... not blaming the owner and expecting the fire department to show up to clean up the mess. Perhaps the fire would have happened or perhaps not if the car shut off and required evaluation, but the allegation that the vehicle continued to operate AND accepted a charge inside a structure after such a clear warning that something was not right is dumbfounding to me. People will park in a garage if that is where the chargers are located. If a landlord is required to install a smoke detector in a rental property or hotel room why are EV manufacturers not required to do the same? I know Dr. Christensen recommends to “use your senses” but modern product liability laws should not require customers to know what thermal runaway sounds like, looks like, or smells like. The car should monitor for those things and put the safety of the occupants first and shut itself off until a basic safety check is performed. This is not too much to ask or demand when you buy an expensive modern vehicle.
I do agree that manufactures need to do more. When it comes to the driver, people need to do a better job recognizing an emergency and acting appropriately. We see people doing things like this all the time. For instance, I've seen people drive a burning vehicle into a gas station.
Everyone needs more "education" on this, but I still feel very strongly that manufacturers need to engineer a BSS (battery safety system) that quickly detects venting or rapid heat increases indicative of thermal runaway. We have thermal management and we have battery management - why not safety management? At the very least they should have this on people movers like buses. There are other stories like this where the owner/driver hears or senses something weird is happening but the car just continues operation as if nothing is wrong. Your 4-gas and mine would most likely detect this inside the pack (rapid rise of CO and/or H - think engineering). We know it is vented during TR. If they can buy them for us why not engineer something into a vehicle? Better measurements of temperature inside the individual modules might have shown something was happening. Electrical anomolies? Even a microphone that would react to that distinct sound of the pressure relief letting go on the prismatics (likely what this was). It does not seem like it would be too difficult. Have the smart screen tell people to pull over and park the car and let it run a self-evaluation or shut it off until it is inspected by an authorized technician or remote diagnostics can be run. Yes, this stuff adds costs to the pack, but it seems like basic safety to me. Manufacturers are going to have problems defending the lack of such a system in the future when bad things happen. These events are "rare" but they will increase and there are already other stories like this where the car never indicated a problem (if that happened here).
No where near public, buildings or other cars. Get it in a field as fast as you can and get out before you get burned. If you start hearing popping, it often is to late. Educate yourself
Oh my, an EV caught fire! Quick, post a video and get clicks! Talk about CLICK BAIT. EV vehicle fires are a lot less frequent proportionally to ICE vehicle fires. I guess a tank full of gasoline isn't anything to worry about?
Saying that those fumes are toxic is an understatement.
but being electric, it is good for the environment, right??? /s
@@h.mandelene3279 Yup. Al Gore and JOhn KErry said so!
Acutely toxic.
If you think you have made something foolproof, you just have not met the right fool........ Stupidity knows no limits.
I started my career designing automaton equipment. You have no idea how true this is.
I remember someone said the more you try to make things foolproof the better the class of fool you get.
You can't train stupidly it happens naturally
When I go winter camping in the woods, I always take an electric car battery with me in case I get lost so I can start a life saving campfire until the rescuers show up days later.
Nice! I'm guessing you also have small jumper cables and a supply of steel wool as well?
Funny. But the "subject battery" is not < YOUR > LEAD ACID battery!! LOL
True story
Don't quit your day job.
@@Rekuzan My post was not well worded. I should have said EV battery (not electric-flooded) and my sarcasm flopped - I meant the EV battery would self ignite (I know -yuk yuk) But you are right - some steel wool and a 9 volt battery would do the trick.
Well the actions of that owner reflects directly the level of stupidity of the average EV driver…. Great video
Nailed it!
The idiot should be banned from ever driving an electric vehicle.
Yup
I don't think so. Most EVs drivers are well educated.
"La la-la la-la, I'm so virtuous saving the world driving my uber-eco EV. Don't you want to be like me?"
"What's that sound, the car is playing drums to accompany me, how nice. I'll just pull in this uber-packed parking garage to show these IC people what a REAL car is."
Poof!!
About 10 years ago, in one of our districts, a husband and wife's ICE car caught on fire while driving. Since they were close to home, they pulled in their garage to call in the fire. We responded to a vehicle fire, only to roll up to a structure fire. Some people just don't think
I absolutely could see responding to something like that.
My department responded to fires where someone had a car problem and rolled up to gas pumps to check it out, only to have flames greet them when they open the hood. It's kind of an understandable thing to do, go to where they have basic car things and no one EXPECTS their car is actually on fire, but it does make the response more interesting, especially if the kid in the store didn't pull the emergency pump disconnects.
"You won't guess what happens next" um, i read the title and guessed right! The complexity of the failure cases for these large batteries is huge! Thanks for these videos!
Some tow trucks are refusing to tow electric vehicles due to the hazards and liability
I've heard multiple fire departments having this issue.
Im not loading any electric car on my flatbed.
@WhiteTrashMotorsports Their's one video you can see an Ev burning at a traffic light. The flatbed parked in front, in the middle of an intersection, still in the upright position where he dumped it off because it reignited.
@@WhiteTrashMotorsports I would not touch an ev with a 10-foot pole.
Ev burn at higher temps. If your flatbed is the standard model then the ev burning may damage the metal plate and potentially catch your truck on fire as well. Ice cars almost never reignite while towing so this is a newish problem. The current procedures seem to be wrapping the car in a fire proof blanket for transport. This is a double edged sword as it helps combat the fire but also traps all the heat and toxic materials on the truck. So theres a concern about decontamination as well as potential damage.
There are patk garages in Germany that had major issues with insurance and now no longer allow EV's. They submerge EV into a water bath, which is not easy in a park garage. The city was trying to fight that decision, but lost, due to enough evidence about risk with EV in relation to fire fighting. That might become more of an issue if more people drive EV in other places as well. Time will tell...
I live in Brussels in a house with a garage. My wife may get a company car but I´ve already said that if it´s an EV, it will only be parked on the street.
@stavrosk.2868 you can look up Kulmbach, that's where they decided to no longer allow EV and Hybrids. Once people look at the complications and cost of EV fires, it makes sense. At least on the street they can access properly.
If I were a parking garage owner wouldn’t allow EV’s to park. Just to much risk to the employees and patrons. I’m guessing the NFPA is updating the requirements for parking facilities that accommodate EV’s.
Already started in Europe in some parking garages. IF they sell more EV's, there will be more fires by percentage, fire issues will go up and than it may happen here. As insurance will refuse to cover the high risks of dealing with such a fire hazard in a park garage
When you watch another channel called "just rolled in"you can see the average intelligence of the American driver by some of the cars that show up
Dude, that's one of my favorite channels! "I never put oil in the crankcase, just oil additives!"
Intelligence of the average American? Stellantis put the battery of the Jeep Wrangle 4xe inside the passenger compartment. And the regulators allowed it. Lol. If this driver would have had the battery inside the passenger compartment it could have saved the damage to the parking garage. What we need are batteries that give off enough oxidizers when burning that the battery blanket doesn't stop anything.
Same regulators that retroactively disallowed gas tanks outside of frame rails, without warrant.
Not related to batteries or fires but for several years now I've laughed (inside) at the thot of FLYING cars - with the intelligence of the average driver (as you point out) the population will take a sharp downturn. LOLOL
Heard popping noises and then parked it in an enclosed car park! Too stupid for words.
ALL EV's, mes amis, vehicles of a Fool's Paradise, are but a fanciful dream...a Wet Dream.
Did you know that according to Australian research, EVs are 40 times less likely to set on fire than non EVs?
Provide the link...for this 'study', mon ami.
i.imgur.com/Vc3bY5i.jpg@@stephenbirchall941
New apartment buildings in Australia have a requirement that every parking space has provision for EV charging. There is absolutely zero fire safety provision to go with that charging point requirement. We are setting ourselves up for disaster
Keep on voting for the same puppet politicians.
You already are set up for disaster with your gas car. ICEVs are 30x more likely to catch fire in the first place than a BEV and BEV don’t have fuel tanks that can fail and rapidly spread fire to multiple areas on multiple levels.
@@williammeek4078😂😂
@@DebbieOnTheSpot you might want to read this and rethink who you trust for your information and why the people you have been listening to are lying to you.
Gas vs. Electric Car Fires [2024 Findings] - AutoinsuranceEZ
@@williammeek4078 LOL Ok, tell yourself that smoothbrain
If that story is true.
The idiot who drove it into a garage and started charging it should be charged themself. How stupid can you be?
Never underestimate stupidity 😂
You can't really prosecute stupidity or lack of education. I work in engineering and you would not believe the total lack of knowledge in youngsters who apparently have qualifications. It's mindboggling. They are trained in school to know that their testicles don't make them any less of a woman but have no idea what a fuel/air detonation is. Trust me it's bad. Especially if you have to work near them.
A: well really most legitimately DON'T KNOW (because the manufacturer who sold them the car is sure as hell not going to tell them). as ive mentioned before, "underwiting" these events (pun intended) is the relatively GOOD safety record of Li-Ion Batteries produced for Consumer Electronics (ie, Smart Phones, Laptops, Cordless Tools, etc) so what you have is a WHOLE PLANET of people lulled into a "False Sense of Security"...
quite naturally then when Consumers make "First Contact" with an Electric Vehicle...? what they're going to do is CONFLATE their "wonderful Cell Phone experience", with the way they think about and use EV's, and you don't have to be a Fire Marshall to predict that it's a RECIPE FOR DISASTER...
this event (and the numerous other events in the news the past 10 years) proves this "recipe" is SUPER TASTY.
Keep a potato in some silver paper in your EV. At least when it catches fire you will have something nice and warm to eat.
You should keep one in your car then as ICEVs are 30x more likely to catch fire than BEVs.
Gas vs EV Fires [2023 Findings] - AutoinsuranceEZ
@@williammeek4078 Right, because ICE cars just spontaneously ignite and can't be put out like EV's do....
@@kx8960 so give me on example of a BEV starting a fire that took out 1100 cars and a car park like that diesel did in Luton.
@@williammeek4078 Actually that's bullshit, I just read a bunch of reports and NONE of them said definitively that a "diesel car" started it. There are THEORIES, but no proof. It's obvious that the majority of the damage was due to ZERO fire suppression. And, the FACT is if that many EV's burned the fire would have been a lot WORSE. Nice try though smoothbrain.
@@williammeek4078it was a hybrid not just a diesel
Ban all EVs and allow car manufacturers to go what they do best with combustion engines
imagine when there are tens of thousands of " Exploding Vehicles " on the road
There already are.
I note with the UK media that over the years the media, at these times, has looked for eye witnesses and speculation to tell what happened and what they saw. Now, with fires started and buildings collapsing in Luton, Liverpool, London, no one is saying what they think really happened (whether trad vehicle or EV involved), not speculating the reason for the fire, just generally describing the local scenery at the time - smoke, flames etc.
The ironic thing is that even Tesla themselves are telling people not to park inside a garage while charging because it might burn your house down!
There's a reason charging stations are situated SOOOO far away from the main building...
Here in Germany EVs are not even allowed in multi-story or underground community car parks because of the risk of fire. These cars can spontaneously combust at any time regardless if they're being charged, driven or just parked somewhere.
This is simply not true. Tesla makes no such statement.
@@TheGOF Pretty irresponsible of Tesla then if they don't warn their customers about the dangers of charging EVs in garages.
@@mikethespike7579 I merely report facts. Sorry they don’t support your agenda.
@@TheGOF Yes, and the fact you are merely reporting is that Tesla irresponsibly fails to warn its customers that its products represent specific dangers.
Part of the scam was allowing these things to be sold when there was no firefighting plan worked out between experts. Doesn't matter how 'popular' they are. So is Fentanyl.
Consumers should not be able to put this burden on tow drivers and emergency responders.
Morbidly obese shouldn't be allowed to burden ambulance crew and hospital staff, either.
that's what ive been asking for the last 15 years, Q1: (other than their bravery and commitment to Public Service) why is it the BURDEN of Fire Fighters - not Tesla - to figure out a good way to deal with this hazard AFTER THE FACT...?
and Q2: what if it turns out THERE IS NO GOOD WAY to deal with this...? (which we've discovered there really isn't)
@@phillyphil1513 Were I in charge the answer to your question would be "stop sale until OEMs get this right" but that's why I'm not in charge, isn't it?
I am not surprised as an Ex firefighter who understands how Lithium Batteries work. They are a chemical fire hazard, and extremely dangerous, due to self combustion (which ICE DON'T DO) and more so when in an enclosed space such as any garage. They are not fit for purpose, Period!! They are already banned in many underground car parks and the London Fire Brigade advise not to charge lithium batteries indoors. There will be more fires. -sadly, a lot more!!
Dumb move to drive into the carpark BUT, given that the technology is so cutting edge new, people have faith that it must be okay, because after all, it was designed by experts!! The UK Post Office Horizon scandal is a perfect example of this. New hardware and software launched around 2000 was FULL of bugs but because most users were new to computers, they thought it was THEIR fault when things went wrong! The Post Office and Fujitsu refused to acknowledge the faults because it would cost them money, trash both brands and destroy their careers. They sacrificed Postmasters instead. You don't know what you don't know. Just wait till one of these EVs goes up in a high-rise basement at night, or in a tunnel with bumper-to-bumper traffic. Unfortunately, I believe that's what will happen before we get any common sense on EVs, and even then, I'll bet the authorities will just double down. It will be up to the ordinary person to reject this madness..
Why are EVs legal?
Sounds like it didn't jump to all the other EVs in the garage. Whew!😅
Luckily, they didn't park next to other vehicles.
@@StacheDTraining right. My assumption was that all ev charging in parking garages are close together to save on installation costs. Perhaps this should include a separation/distance factor in the future.
@@deleteduser3749 I'm sure it will eventually, but when it comes to the government, any government really, they are slow to respond at best. Seriously, I've seen continents move faster than Congress.
oddly enough the 4 car Lucid parking/L2 charging area for the Lucid showroom nearest me is on the bottom deck of a Multi-Level Concrete Parking Garage. the showroom itself is in a Mall and the Parking Garage they use for staging Test Drives is the one attached to the Mall. i'm assuming it's a temporary set-up for sales...? but as soon as i saw it, i said okay "there's a 1000 ways this stunt can go wrong"...
this was months before the Fire and Collapse at London's Luton Airport but months AFTER we had loaded Fuel Tanker crash locally, catch fire, and take out a 6 lane section of Concrete Exit Overpass for I-95 outside of Philadelphia (everyone may have seen this story on the news since it went National).
@@StacheDTrainingyou mean lucky it wasn’t an ICEV with a fuel tank to fail and rapidly spread fire a distance from the original vehicle.
You would think a self driving rolling computer could determine if a battery you can hear popping is having an issue and at the very least not allow charging.
You'd also think it wouldn't allow you to bring it near a structure once a battery issue was detected.
What a waste of water and what about the toxic runoff, in so much water, soaking into the ground, rivers, drainage system.
I quest the intelligence of the driver. Darwin Award contender.
Where did the water go that was used to sprayed on the car. Because it's now toxic.
As much as I hate government and regulations, it pains me to admit that we need regulations for EV battery design
Well go to the EU. They are the obsessed with regulations.
There is a new condo complex with underground parking. As of now they are allowing EV'S and will install chargers, at a cost to owners. If I was looking for a condo, that would be a deal breaker for me.
This is an example of a worse case example of an EV battery fire in an enclosed parking area how very dangerous is that all those extremely toxic smoke been contained in an enclosed parking area
Can you do a video where you talk about the environmental hazards of flowing water on an LI battery fire like an EV. Heavy metal runoff etc.
Still loving your pronunciation of 'garage'. 😂 I think this is what happened at Luton airport in the UK - some idiot driving their burning EV into the MULTI STOREY CAR PARK and rushing for their flight whilst telling staff to deal with the fire.
Maybe I'll throw some Queens English into a future video.
Classic Range Rover driver . They don’t give a shit about using indicators , looking in their mirror, looking past their bonnet etc etc .
This is a perfect example of why 'towing drones' are so important these days. The tow truck driver can remotely operate the drone to pull the car out of the garage without endangering their own life or health.
I imagine those drones are battery powered....
Visibility will be difficult for whatever cameras the drone is equipped with considering all the thick, white smoke in the structure. Also, the drone had better be diesel-powered.
We recently had this happen in the UK. It totally destroyed the parking garage and hundreds of cars.
Why hasn’t the Fire marshals senior maintenance prohibit electric cars as extremely dangerous…
Did you that according to Australian research, EVs are 40 times less likely to set on fire than non EVs?
EV battery technology is not ready for prime time. EV technology should have been allowed to evolve naturally instead of being forced on the general public and/or mandated. One thing that would have made a lot more sense was to mandate a standard for battery construction so, no matter what brand of EV a person buys or EMS has to deal with would be a known factor. None of this was possible due to everything being rushed to market. I think it was a big mistake to not let EVs evolve at their own pace. They are clearly not a straight up substitute for ICE vehicles but they do have potential as short haul transports or errand runners which, by the way, is the way most people use their cars. There are a lot of ICE vehicles that suffer from being used only for short trips as the engines and transmissions never get up to proper operating temperatures. In these situations, for example as a second car for a suburban family, they would serve quite effectively.
For a while now i do some research about the Pro and Cons and the dangers of a DIY solar battery system .
A heard / saw many story's about lithium battery based EV's and the ongoing fire's when they light up so lithium is out of the question .
What is in your opinion the best battery to use in a DIY setup with the lowest dangers .
If you want lowest danger, get a diesel generator.
EV 💥💥🔥🔥🔥🔥
EVs is A NIGHTMARE
Ask the people who lost vehicles in the Luton car park fire. They will tell you the truth that when it comes to fire risk, an ICEV is far worse.
Then it shows up later at a salvage auction.
Great Video!
Glad you enjoyed it
If you were the owner/proprietor of a valuable piece of parking real estate, why ever would you allow EV’s to use your facilities?
Did you know that according to Australian research, EVs are 40 times less likely to set on fire than non EVs?
But the consequences, as highlighted in this video, are so much worse when it does happen.
@@stephenbirchall941Did you know that 95% of EV owners are gay? 🖕
Do you use Class D extinguishers for lithium fires?
There needs to be a way too quickly and safely remove battery pack/s from an EV in case of a fire without endangering the fire dept worker or mechanic.
They are extremely dangerous, obviously.
Trouble is you cannot guarantee to be safe from these incendiaries in parking areas or your next door neighbour.
And yet, those bloody things get parked under my apartment and nobody wants to talk about it.
What happens when a EV goes on fire on a roll on roll off car ferry.?
BAN EVS FROM PARKING GARAGES NOW !!, OUR SEE ONE HELL OF AN INFERNO SOON !!!.
Battery are too big too heavy, not replaceable, difficult to analyze and monitor, installed at the bottom so incompatible with crossing water. These are dangerous, and use too high voltage and amps. Countries must come back to ice engine and continue to make better engine. I bought a Bronco Sport Badlands 2.0L turbo in july 2021 and it is 100 % reliable. I love it. Perfect car for me.
how is there no battery safety management in the car that would shut it down and dial 911/000 as soon as something like this was detected? i think this is on the manufacturers to improve. also maybe there should be special parking places for cars with "faults".. what SHOULD the owner have done?
"what should...have done?" They should have driven to an area like an empty parking lot (away from ppl, cars, bldgs, etc); then got out, called emergency services & waited.
WOW. NO TO EVs
The driver was so smrt
Everything has to be smart these days. Smart Cities Smart Meters Smart Phone.
Anyone can buy a electric car, to know how dangerous they are is not needed. As a result things like this are always going to happen.
Are the blankets reused, or toxic waste that needs to be buried.. does someones insurance pay for replacement to keep the budget getting hit at the fire station.
At this time we don't know the full process. Ideally we can decontaminate the blanket and reuse them.
I'm afraid the average public person are just plain thick nowadays, driving a sick EV into a garage 😡😡
I can see a lot of people loosing their life in future because of EVs, very sad what we've become, thick educated people.
Reports I've seen show ONE Cargo Ship emits as much pollution as 50 million ice cars. 15-17 ships (depending on which report you read) emit as much pollution as the world's entire fleet of cars. More than 5,000 Cargo Ships in operation...
Damn. I'd like to read those reports, especially considering that marine shipping is the most efficient form of cargo transport on the planet.
Even bulk cargo carriers are 55 times more efficient than airborne shipping. So, by your math, each Boeing 747 at MTOW with goods produces the emissions of 27,531,645,569 cars? I'm surprised the Earth still has a transparent atmosphere.
@@auxityneI googled cargo ship pollution versus cars and found it very easily... Then I searched how many cargo ships. Both were easy to find.
Obviously... cars are not the problem
@@auxityne to make it worse, ships use 2 stroke engine that burns oil all the time.
It has never been about the climate. They just want you locked up in your 15min smart city.
So much concern about EVs causing carpark fires, yet it was a Diesel Land Rover that burnt down the carpark at Luton Airport in England that destroyed 1500 cars!
Any type of vehicle fire can cause massive damage in the right location.
So when exactly are the supposed Health and Safety regulators going to weigh in on this crazy situation?
If I tried to bring to market a product that was 10% of the danger these EV's represent I would be shut down on the spot. We all know that every one of these terrible vehicles will end up this way. People have burned to death, unable to escape. Fire crews cannot even touch the bodywork for fear of fatal electric shock.
Sometimes, it is unavoidable that a child or beloved pet is left in a parked vehicle.
Surely, it is only a matter of time before there are fatalities.
ICE vehicles don’t tend to ignite when parked.
I almost pulled into a parking space next to a Tesla. However, I decided to park further away, as I decided, even although the probability was zero, why take the chance it might burst into flames???
Well that's the kind of stupidity I would expect from residents of the state of illinois. Just look at their government.
I cannot for,the life of me understand why Fire Crews do not have a clue about Lithium ion battery fires.
Normal people just aren't ready for electric vehicles!
Well Patrick mate in my own opinion and I am no expert of course what concerns me is even if those battery modules are separated a you describe surely the immense heat that just one pack could melt through that casing and then set off a chain reaction with the other cells/packs in the total battery compartment??
Absolutely a possibility.
That was more good luck than good management could have south real fast 🇦🇺🇦🇺👍
Kept re-igniting, DUH!
God , who would have one? Seriously? There is no up side from a consumers point of view
EV mobile incendiary bomb with unquantifiable collateral damage potential.
Ev = Explosive Vehicle
I'm guessing you guys in all FDs are gonna get extremely busy....
0:02 - "Loud popping coming from the battery..." ruclips.net/video/hKeyMxLXI-M/видео.html
The driver... HE... not their.
EV can burn hot enough to melt steel beams. When it's at underground it would collapse a building. What's wrong with safety now a days.
2 car carriers sank, because the brand new cars burst into flames, crews almost died.. thousands of Porsche went to the bottom of the ocean…
And the continuing fires are heating the ocean, contributing to global war..... errr climate change. LOLOL
Better is not to buy an EV. Makes life so much more easy.
That’s why you shouldn’t be able to fit an ev charger in an underground parking. However in Poland, thanks to net zero zealots, you now not only can retrofit one next to your parking space but do so without other residents’ approval. Which is catastrophically idiotic and just shows how ignorance is bliss until it’s not.
People are thick…last 4 years I’ve been astounded just how thick many are
EV's weaponized vehicles
I try to avoid parking near them. This is madness. EV's need to be outlawed right now. It's too soon folks. After we get clean power generation done and redo a real national grid, then let's do EV's.
EV are great according to Treudoe doo and binden
Horrible EVs
This is just a sample of a no ICE engine future. I bet the salvage yard owner is delighted to have a dirty bomb in his yard..
All EVs should be baned from parking inside and have to keep out 50 feet from any building
No failure warnings to see here, just go shopping. Imagine the owner finding an investigator instead their vehicle. True that Toyota is bowing out of the EV market?
But electric car people say that all fire fighters need is more training to deal with EV fires. It's hard to know where the real truth lies.
It's much larger than a training related issue.
I keep on seeing things by EV enthusiasts who insist that EV fires aren't anything to worry about, then I hear the other side of the coin from other people who talk about things like thermal runaway. Then the other side says that a blanket can extinguish an EV fire, but others say that the EV can potentially start right back up burning, days or even weeks later. The official truth is being obscured, but the unofficial truth is that I'm not going to buy an EV. Someone else can take the risk.
@@patrickchubey3127 Stache is a firefighter he is citing news stories and personal experience from his work community. I don't think he is trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doom.
He understands the unique issues surrounding EV fires that enthusiasts generally ignore or try to downplay.
I think he's telling the truth. What I'm getting at is all the conflicting information out there. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about and I believe him but there are so many dissenting opinions floating around. One tesla owning fire fighter clearly downplayed the danger of thermal runaway in his comment, and he's a fire fighter, right, he should know the truth, but with so many different opinions going around about the same thing the people promoting EVs can slant the most dangerous aspects of electric vehicles and make they appear beneficial and safe. I just think that we need more official sources of information than youtube, though to be honest I've been learning about all the downsides of EVs from youtube when MSN is still promoting them as safe and reliable. One day the truth will come out, probably sooner than later but for right now the maze of conflicting claims and statements out there is really confusing.
Free charging
real green
Simple thing is not to y these EVs and then you don't have to worry about a EV fire !
Respectfully Patrick, I appreciate that you are operating within the training space, but blaming the owner or driver (rental cars) for this event is not fair and I would even argue it is counterproductive to the passion you have to improve the fire service and EV safety.
We should NEVER blame the owner for stuff like this and hear me out.
Here is the proper question regarding this incident...... why doesn't the manufacturer design the software and sensors for the battery pack where the BMS detects that pressure relief valves vented on some cells in the pack and vapors/gases were emitted so it SHUTS DOWN THE CAR?
We know the gases that vent so why not require monitors in each module and within the larger pack that detect venting and/or large temperature fluctuations within individual cells or modules? Perhaps even an audible alarm or some direction from the touchscreen might be reasonable to notify the driver that an unusual event has just occurred?
We preach smoke detectors all the time with good reason, but a person could continue to drive around on top of a large battery that had an easily detectable overpressure event (thermal runaway) or they could drive it to their destination and hook it to a charger? Have you not had one of these offered or preselected at a rental counter when you travel and teach?
If this narrative is correct (and I have no reason to suspect it is not) why would they possibly design a car that would still operate or even worse accept a charge after such an event? At what point is this negligence by the manufacturer?
We are approaching this all wrong and should demand that manufacturers engineer better safety. We are putting kids on electric school buses for God’s sake and this is the level of safety being built into the vehicles? Look at the spectacular Paris bus fire video that looked like a 4th of July fireworks show. A passerby allegedly (I didn’t investigate this) had to notify the bus driver that there was vapor coming from the bus. Thankfully this occurred so the driver had time to evacuate the bus before it exploded and burned up in a most nasty fashion.
WHY does the vehicle not detect such a noticeable change? These things monitor and predict range every few seconds but they cannot be equipped with failure detection equipment and software?
I bet MOST firefighters don’t even know what that venting sounds like or what it means. You do. I do. Most have no clue. I sure don’t expect my wife to know if she arrives at the airport and gets an EV foisted upon her. What if the “popping” occurred with the last rental and not my wife (who would call and ask me) who blissfully drives down the road completely unaware she is driving down the road on top of a battery pack on the edge of thermal runaway or damaged cells because the smart screen says nothing?
What do you want to bet there is NOTHING in the owner’s manual about this?
I have not looked, but I will make that bet and would be happy to be wrong. I have checked before related to a fire with a different brand and there was no common sense warning that would have likely prevented the incident (damage) and subsequent fire.
We need to start sticking this on the manufacturer..... not blaming the owner and expecting the fire department to show up to clean up the mess. Perhaps the fire would have happened or perhaps not if the car shut off and required evaluation, but the allegation that the vehicle continued to operate AND accepted a charge inside a structure after such a clear warning that something was not right is dumbfounding to me.
People will park in a garage if that is where the chargers are located.
If a landlord is required to install a smoke detector in a rental property or hotel room why are EV manufacturers not required to do the same?
I know Dr. Christensen recommends to “use your senses” but modern product liability laws should not require customers to know what thermal runaway sounds like, looks like, or smells like. The car should monitor for those things and put the safety of the occupants first and shut itself off until a basic safety check is performed.
This is not too much to ask or demand when you buy an expensive modern vehicle.
I do agree that manufactures need to do more. When it comes to the driver, people need to do a better job recognizing an emergency and acting appropriately. We see people doing things like this all the time. For instance, I've seen people drive a burning vehicle into a gas station.
Everyone needs more "education" on this, but I still feel very strongly that manufacturers need to engineer a BSS (battery safety system) that quickly detects venting or rapid heat increases indicative of thermal runaway.
We have thermal management and we have battery management - why not safety management? At the very least they should have this on people movers like buses. There are other stories like this where the owner/driver hears or senses something weird is happening but the car just continues operation as if nothing is wrong.
Your 4-gas and mine would most likely detect this inside the pack (rapid rise of CO and/or H - think engineering). We know it is vented during TR.
If they can buy them for us why not engineer something into a vehicle? Better measurements of temperature inside the individual modules might have shown something was happening. Electrical anomolies? Even a microphone that would react to that distinct sound of the pressure relief letting go on the prismatics (likely what this was). It does not seem like it would be too difficult.
Have the smart screen tell people to pull over and park the car and let it run a self-evaluation or shut it off until it is inspected by an authorized technician or remote diagnostics can be run. Yes, this stuff adds costs to the pack, but it seems like basic safety to me.
Manufacturers are going to have problems defending the lack of such a system in the future when bad things happen. These events are "rare" but they will increase and there are already other stories like this where the car never indicated a problem (if that happened here).
Stay with my ICE car and bikes.
Got it.
How much longer do we have to wait until the government takes EVs off the road. it is just a matter of time till there is a tragedy.
hmmm Yep he sounds like an EV owner.
Another EV fire .....😂. lol seems it's getting more common these days as more are on the road. They should be banned. .
For the algorithm...
Where he should go? There is no any checking place on the streets! So, what are you suggesting for real life or you planning only rant?
No where near public, buildings or other cars. Get it in a field as fast as you can and get out before you get burned. If you start hearing popping, it often is to late. Educate yourself
Who is going to get close enough to turn off the EV? Was the driver of that EV a Democrat?
You're not too bright in Chicago, keep voting liberal folks that seems to be working ...
Oh my, an EV caught fire! Quick, post a video and get clicks! Talk about CLICK BAIT. EV vehicle fires are a lot less frequent proportionally to ICE vehicle fires. I guess a tank full of gasoline isn't anything to worry about?
A full tank of gas isn't a big deal. Even when on fire, we have foam that can easily extinguish the fire.