Problematic Aluminum Radiator repair
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2022
- Hey guys. Well, this will definitely get the comments going. There were a series of problems that added up to what should have been a rather easy repair to being quite the struggle. You'll see. While this was not exactly fun, it should have been an easy repair on the second attempt. Not having the right equipment and needed supplies on the second try add up to a bunch of speed bumps along the road as well. Either way, fortunately the customer is ok with it... I'm the customer. Ha! Sit back and enjoy the struggle. Hope you dig it.
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I have seen, with my own eyes, an Air Force shop welder guy, weld a smooth bead on and aluminum wrapper of a cigarette package after pealing it off the other packaging material. You have to have the tools and the skills. But, you do the best welding on everything I see. I am not a welder, but as a machinist I have worked with allot of welders, even high pressure pipe welders, and you Mr. IC Weld are the best welder I have ever seen. Keep up the great videos. Us old retired useless people need to see your work to exist as we slowly fade away.
Some of us will remember you. We'll keep the fire going, and the wood stacked
The best reality chanel ever.
I keep this thing for a while: when an tool was fall just before the critical operation was start, there is a signal to not do or not do that way.
A sure sign of a craftsman is he can laugh at himself, and not be self conscious. Good on you.
I believe that Diesel Creek mentioned once, "Anything is a hammer if you use it wrong enough."
Perseverance produces character. Well done.
Yes he did😁
And Eric O on the South main auto channel recently said that every tool has a hammer end.
Except screwdrivers, wich are prybars
The part on your welder that blew is a Metal Oxide Varistor (MOV), they are about $1 ea and any electronics guy can solder it in for you for only few dollars. I'd suggest a 460VAC 6500A.
You got it!, I think is meant to protect against power surges.
@@Android_Warrior You mean somewhat like a fusible link?
@@regsparkes6507 MOV's "break down" and absorb the "excess" energy and do not fuse per se. They fail when the transient exceeds the design limits and "blows" it.
@@alangraham4526 OK then, thanks for the explanation. Oh one more question then, is this MOV used in MIG welding machines too?
@@regsparkes6507 MOVs are used in just about every electronic device today, especially anything computer controlled.
Don’t be so critical of work Issac. It looked as good as all the rest of the factree welds. And it didn’t leak! You have over 100,000 subscribers for a reason. You’re a good welder, mechanic and your honesty shows. Keep up the interesting content.
Thanks 👍
Amen. Well said.
What’s factree?
@@teeanahera8949 the location where they welded it.
@@teeanahera8949 Oh please, don’t be Dumb
Never stop trying thats what i learned from watching you, and always putting a little bit of comedy when you don’t get it correct. But eventually you get it done at the end. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻.
Looks like a MOV (Metal Oxide Varistor) on the power supply board in the welder unit went pop. They are there to protect against surges and such, but will fail rather dramatically sometimes.
At least nothing caught on fire :)
You could put a surge protector before the welder perhaps if the electrical grid in the area has rather dirty power. Might save the wear on the harder to replace MOVs in the welders and other equipment.
After the storm that they had last winter, I’ll bet that they have dirty power.
Looks like one of my projects. I spend an hour or so rounding up all the tools, then something goes wrong, I fix that. By the time I’m done , I could’ve ran down to the store and been back with a replacement cheaper and faster than it took me. But, I can say “I Fixed it!” 😎
Yep. Typical day for me. Start a job then have to stop to fix something so I actually start, then find that I have to go buy something to fix the first thing, but then the tire went flat.
I'd rather just go fishing.
Hey Isaac, I laughed my ass off. This is what makes you great! Honesty and never quit attitude? Love It!
We all strive to make all things Perfect. Proficient is a better way to look at all things. Great work as always sir..
Hilarious! Man I gotta' give you some real points, you are not afraid to jump in and give'er! Honestly, you are probably one of the most real content producers, most guys wouldn't include the really ugly stuff. Nice to see the other people struggle every now and then just like the rest of us out here. Your final solution was 100% and as for the final weld, in my world that was a thing of beauty!!!
Well done.
Interesting to see a professional welder have problems with thin aluminum. And I thought it was just me. Could always take a tight fitting drill bit or steel rod and push it inside and than weld the aluminum. The steel rod will help keep the thin aluminum from blow through... Just an idea... Thumbs Up!
I would have had to buy a new radiator if I tried that... lol Nice fix!!
Like Clint Eastwood once said in the movie Heartbreak Ridge "Improvise, adapt, overcome"
A welder once fixed an aluminum outlet on a badly corroded thermostat housing off an old British made Rootes 'Knocker' diesel in a Commer truck for me because parts are basically unobtainable for them.
He just cut the remains of old tube off completely then welded on a bit of solid round bar and drilled it out to the correct inside diameter afterwards and it worked great!
In grand skeem of things
By reading a lot of the comments we are all guilty of it. "Trying to save a buck" that we end up spending more and more time. But our time is worth more than the part.
I know that most of us have said it "it just took some time" but we don't have a lot of extra time
If he hadn't went and got the right part he would have had to pull it again because it would have broke again because it just wasn't the correct way, now it is!all n all we need to stop and think what's wrong here! Instead of just fix it! " Do the best we can with what we got" but sometimes we need to upgrade
And besides now it looks more goob'er 😊
Love the videos
Isaac keep on keeping on👍
I remember tig welding with the old econotig it was still an improvement over the high frequency box that used to go on the arc welder back in the stone age
I work on antique firearms and I polish the face of all of my metal hammers to a mirror finish. So they dont leave marks on what gets hammered. Works very well I prefer this over a softer hammer sometimes
Good job. You gave them more than they could ask for. Hidden weld that is sound that's all that matters.
I admire your patience and calm. Pretty sure my video would have gotten deleted for foul language if all that had happened to me trying to fix one tiny part
Well Issac I have to say that was the greatest combination of welding and comedy combined that I have ever seen and thank goodness for that! I was watching you intently as you struggled with the part and trying to weld it back on and it pretty much progressed as it would have with me right down to the buildup and drilling and I laughed as I imagined me in your position. Thank you for the wonderful comic relief that you provided at a time when I needed a bit of laughter. Great final repair though it looks like it will hold very well. Again thank you for sharing the tough stuff with us it was a gas!
better to laugh than to sit and gripe. I am always amazed at the things that can go bad so quickly. I just shrug my shoulders and say "yup, thats about right." and laugh.🤷♀️🤷♂️🤷♂️😁😁
@@ICWeld I know right? Like I said I saw myself thinking "that's exactly what I would have done". Thank you for showing it all Issac, an edited version just wouldn't have had the same effect.
As Eric O. said, every tool has a hammer side.
It appears your welder failure could have been an MOV which shorts high input voltage spikes to ground and saves the rest of the welder electronics.
Yes, I did find that it is a MOV. but i cant think of what may have caused it. There may also be another board that went bas as well. not looking forward to having it fixed. It's gonna have to wait for now.
@@ICWeld I saw peg on zip ties and bias plies gave you a shout out
@@ICWeld Replacing MOVs is cheap and easy. As long as nothing further into the circuit was wrecked, they did their job heroically, as they are protective in purpose.
The function of an MOV implies that there is only way to cause that outcome. That is "Severe overvoltage, that caused it to shunt a huge amount of current. The current was so high that it blew the fireproof coating off the device without signs of overheating, and therefore, it was sudden and huge, like a lightning strike." The welder itself would not have caused this to happen.
I'd be impressed if no other electronics were wrecked along with it, but it could be that this welder - being across both hot legs and electrically close to the power input to the facility with low resistance wiring - heroically saved a lot of other equipment. It is also very likely that there are other devices that have similarly-blown MOVs in them, but for lower-power devices, the MOVs are typically on a slowblow fuse. This is because MOVs fail shorted, so for lower-power devices, the fuse keeps them from starting a fire, while the electronics are free to continue on, unprotected from high voltage surges.
By the way, when people say things like "It's typical for electronics to fail immediately after the warranty expires", it's generally due to the meticulously-chosen MOV, which is conveniently used up in a common household in the span of the warranty period, but then gets disconnected soon after, leaving the electronics exposed to the occurrences that will soon end them. Plugging your smaller electronics into protective devices with a "joules" rating will put a set of these MOVs in front of your devices, and probably help them live long enough to become obsolete. Ideally, protective devices with RFI/EMI ratings on them are even better, as the capacitors in them often take the tiny hits that would otherwise degrade MOVs over time, and you can get clip-on ferrite beads for power cords and digital signal cables, which can help you get better radio reception, etc..
@@ICWeld darn things go bang just for fun al lot of times i have found them in bits with no issues anywhere but MOV spread around the case
@@ICWeld You can source a new one at any online electronics place. I use Digikey most of time. I wouldn't necessarily expect to find any more issues downline in the welder as the MOV is usually right at the beginning of the circuit where power comes into the board.
Aluminumnumnum. Its the greatest thing until one has to weld thin-wall. I have to repair irrigation pipe every spring and just love how it goes from solid to runny in a heartbeat. I think you did the only thing that was presentable. Thanks for the honesty of the difficulty of this.
Good idea to change the neck on the the radiator , I think you did a good job with the repair just flush the radiator with the garden hose to flush possible shavings left in the tanks.
Another good way to control the tig weld arc is to assonate the parts magnetic field on a wooden block, welding blanket or using cement board (not recommended for polished parts scratchy). In order to keep all the electrons flowing through the part and the electro magnetic field small only the part. I've found welding on a big steel table messes with the electro magnetic field it becomes larger and chaotic causing the arc to wonder with it. 🤔😉👍
That's from the current multi-pathing through various raised points on the table, and moving around from heat flexing and being wobbly. This can be aleviated partly by clamping the part to the grounded table, but the part should preferentially be grounded as close to the weld joint as possible.
You are without a doubt one of the finest welders on the planet. Having said that I love that you showed you can have days just like the rest of us. I can't count how many times I start a ten-minute project that turns into an all-day job because I have to keep fixing everything for the job at hand. To see you have days like the rest of us is refreshing to see.
I was thinking the same thing
Always the what looks to be easy job will bite you in the azz
I like the way you reacquainted yourself with your old machine so you didn't mess it up very cool. watching you work and solve problems has shown me I tend to rush things and I need to stand back and look from all angles thank you
Just like factree .. you are the metal wizard!
I love this guy. He often states how unsure this or that is gonna work, but he's gonna try it anyway. And then does it better than anyone.
I love aluminum, most of it anyway. I’ve had 2 guys bring me radiators but had little success with them but I was trying to seal the thin cooling channels and it just kept burning away. I didn’t have any of the aluminum brazing rod and my opinion to them was this. How much did a new radiator cost, when they told me 100 150 my suggestion to them was instead of me charging you close the that on a gamble wasn’t worth it in my eyes just buy a new radiator. But that was me, I’m glad for you if this was successful.
You had it fixed even after your welder broke. But it looked like crap and instead of saying it will work like many would, especially after the welder, you redid it and made it look good. Great attitude, your work reflects on you. It reflects excellent work. Good job.
Here is something I got from the TIG class I took at ACC. If your tungsten has a rounded tip you can get that wandering arc. It has to have a sharp tip to keep the arc right hence the reason I could wear out the stone on the sharpening grinder in one session of the class This is something that I never quite mastered so I never got the good looking bead I wanted. Watching you makes me want to break out my TIG/stick welder again. Thank you for your show. Hope to see you at the burger joint, just need to get the A/C in my Model A put back together and working maybe before the cold weather gets here,
It would be cool to see your car.👍👍
@@ICWeld I will try and find a pic on this computer and send i to you.
I used to do a lot of this type of repair mainly air con condensers and I / we found aluminum solder was ideal. I think it was Allstate alloy with Duzal flux. This was in the 80's and looks an easier process than electric welding "old aluminum" as the soldering is a lot more forgiving once it has got a bite and can layer it up to a substantial joint. Like your vids and the cap you sent to Curtiss at CEE in Australia !
Oh man. I'll have to look into that. I was hoping to try and solder it but i didnt have any clue what to look for. Thanks a bunch.
@@ICWeld i welded canoes for,,ehh,,about 15 years, started with heliarc, moved to alum mig, lots of little tricks out there,
Basically like brazing with a blue flux one of our gas welding projects test fillet weld .045 to .050 aluminum instructor would test bend weld visual inspect for porosity separations or lack of fusion...
@@ICWeld Isaac,if your gonna get into more Alum, hmu,I'll hand all.my hard earned secrets up,I finished modine school up ,in late 80s,built many very special radiators
Patience, persistence, and perfectionist attitudes payoff. Great vid. Thanks for posting.
Nice camera placement. This is the first time I could see the puddle forming the "stack of dimes" as the filler was added during a TIG welding video. Usually one just sees the "pretty blue light" as AVE says. You are a very patient and dedicated guy to stick with this to make a good result.
A humble man, with a high level of common sense to ANY one's standards . I don't think there are many guys that could have made that weld with that machine with an 18 amp start on that tiny bung either . Good work for not having any real practice on aly . And having to drag the old machine out for that super tricky weld ?... That took some guts Isaac . Even though that finished product wasn't up to what you wanted, it was at least as nice as any of the factory welds . :)
This was absolutely too costly of a job to accept, but you did not realize that it would turn out that way. I believe this, inasmuch, as it is going to cost you far more in equipment repairs and/or replacement than the charges that you access the client can ever come anywhere close to covering. Welder viewers may have gotten a lot of do's and don't's from watching the video, but that does not help you and the final monetary cost and equipment downtime that you are now faced with. Good job in the end and you certainly have my admiration for your doggedly wanting to do a good job at your own personal expense.
The upside, it happened on a cheap job. Now he gets the equipment fixed, and , hopefully, it won't fail during the high dollar, time sensitive job coming in tomorrow
Putting a piece of copper tubing inside that hose barb would help hold it together, and draw heat away from the thin metal. When you're done, it should just pull out.
Its always great to look back on awesome memories.... great video , more please thanks Alan Thomas , and just love to see you wanting to do things the right way and to be proud of your work !
Low temp aluminum rods might be more ideal for this thin stuff. A propane soldering torch is usually most adequate in such situations. Project Farm tested some on his channel, so you can see which one is best for adhesion and ease of work.
i really like that you show when you struggle and its not easy means a lot
Hi Isaac, I am not a welder, but I watch different mechanics, solve all kinds of problems. you solves problems. If it works, it's good. Thanks for the videos.
love the never give up attitude . you got it done
Me: Isaac, when do you make equipment repairs? Isaac: only when I have a hot job that needs welding asap!
I was thinking a brass rod would help align the bit of tube in the first setup. Good work!
I was super sad to see the mighty Dynasty blow blue chunks. Replacement cost on a welder like that is crazy, so going in for a repair may make sense although the electronic boards on anything nowadays start at $3K (with no end in sight!). Was glad to see the backup TIG get another ride in the rodeo. On Fire Welding did a similar radiator repair on a D8, but he was able to solder it on as it was likely copper not aluminum? At any rate, thin stuff! Was really glad to be taken along for all the trials and tribulations. Once again, the never give up attitude pays off. Bravo!
This is one of the reasons that I watch your channel because you're real ! Not like a lot of RUclips channels that stage! not afraid to show your mistakes or shortcomings, thanks for sharing your experiences! 👍👌🇺🇲
I appreciate that!
the struggle is real, nice results in the end, thanks for the video and lesson.
For a guy not used to aluminum, in the end you did a great job!
This was great. I sure appreciate your approach and how your share your knowledge. Thank you, sir!
I was going to comment on the circuit board but I see you have plenty of good advise on that, MOV's are a common failure, they kind of commit suicide to save the rest of the electronics.
I have lots of 6061 rod laying around but no 6061 tubing. One option would be to turn some rod down into a tube and weld it in place, after cutting off the old overflow tube. I'd drill a hole, insert the new tube and do a fillet weld around it. If you were not able to purchase a new fitting, that would have been an option.
I love watching everything you do, always learning something. I don't recall watching you welding aluminum before, but it's obvious, you are not new to it.
Love it, keep it up - Jim
Great Job Issac ,as always your Videos are very informative ,thank you .
Great content, I really enjoy the way you do things,
I have learned something from every video of yours that I have watched. Thanks
a welding warrior story with a way better outcome than was expected, solid repair.
Dog looks suspiciously like a coyote. LOL
I'm glad that the customer is happy(ish) with the repair, some customers can be a real pain to deal with, others are like family. 🤣😂🤣
Congrats on breaking the 100K mark Issac! Cool video showing real life happening live!
"If you can step across it you can fill it" got a belly laugh...
Top job, love the fact your happy to show mistakes as well as success says a great deal about you fella , I always learn lot from you, love the fact you broke out your old machine and get the job done, I still have my first professional machine I bought when I was 17 that’s 38 years ago I still use every now and the. Thanks for sharing as always
That will outlast the radiator-good fix and solid is better than pretty. Greetings from Tasmania Australia.👍😁🇦🇺🦘
Great size fan in that older unit.
You did a fine job sir! If it works it works!
the same repair on my buddies truck, I welded the hole solid then drilled and tapped it and used a brass fitting lol but yours looked like more fun...
Smooth as silk…as always! Nice job….🇨🇦
I never had a doubt Issac would get it if anybody could! I admire your talent and your determination to succeed no matter the hiccups! Great job as always!
Issac, always admire and love your videos, best wishes from Central Florida, Paul
That’s crazy I would of never thought That striking aluminum could cause metal transfer!
thanks for teaching and sharing, nice repair
Isaac, I am certain you could weld two pieces of maple together! I learn so much from watching you. One of the biggest things I have learned is - BE COMFORTABLE!!! What you call “pretty nasty”, I call - awesome!
Woot woot! ICWeld video! You made my night. Thanks!!
Great video Issac! Nice to see how a pro works through multiple challenges, looks great. Sorry we're always in the way, but at least we don't talk back during the work! ! haha
Awesome video, nice job! thanks for sharing the good the bad and ugly, we all been there!
Watching and learning thank you
Respect to you for even trying Isaac!
I have lernd what not to do!!! Not to give up!
And maybe someday I will be half as good as you!
I been waiting for 2 weeks for a new video. Can't stop watching your work
More to come!
@@ICWeld awesome can't wait !!
for not having a lot of seat time with aluminum, you did great.
Thanks for sharing and I did learn a lot from it.
Looked like a great repair to me. Great video. 👍
It looks like it was a little bit of a struggle, But as Always, In the end, You Killed It! Looks good, And no pin holes.
Awesome job.
Awesome job. Enjoyed the video
Isaac, I now nothing much about TIG welding, except that I'd like to try it sometime. I watched this video of yours with so much attention that i got 'welding flash' LOL.
I enjoy these lessons, good or bad, they're all good to me.
Enjoyed the video and learned that I should not try to TIG...lol
Hey Isaac, well done! I always look forward to your videos! Keep up the great work with you and also your son!
Defiantly the faulty part is a metal oxide resistor to protect against spikes on the mains supply'. I'd like to see you with a soldering iron and fix it! Another tick on the board.
now you're doing a good job, didn't even know you buy the billet replacement part. Good Job.
I love the honesty! "This is gonna stink" !
I like the way you use your little finger to steady you torch hand - exactly what I was taught - awsome job.
Looks good ICW thank you for sharing
Seeing you struggle for once makes me think there is hope for the rest of us. 😉
We all have a job that seems to kick us in the seat of the wranglers! You just put it in the front window, tell it like it is. In the end it was a great repair to watch and know this, I could not do that! Like you always say, there are many other ways to get errrrrr done. Thanks for the view over your shoulder.
I love your calm mentality even when faced with real crappy difficulties. God and me have a few choice words with each other when I get to stressed out with stuff like this. You succeeded good.
Great content as always. I was thinking when I heard you say, "I wish that was threaded...", that it may have been a good idea to take what was left of the nipple on the neck, tig up the sides to thicken up the material, then tap it, & install a threaded nipple. ...but then the content probably would not have been as good that way. Just thinkin out loud.
The part number for the PCB board is 248163. I suspect other parts on the board or another board in the machine is damaged because I think the machine will still work, possibly poorly or generate a fault, if only the blue MOV, PTC, or cap was damaged. I can’t provide more insight into the blue part because pictures of 248163 are not online and the part is not very visible in the video. We couldn't see the part and that's why everyone is guessing what the part is. The Dynasty system schematic and parts diagram in the Dynasty manual identify the board. It seems to function as a over voltage protection or monitor for the other boards in machine. It’s PC8 voltage clamp board. The board is showing a price of $1,154. Download the Dynasty 350 service manual T216869R_PT_MIL.pdf and ctrl-f for 248163 and PC8.
Yup, its the clamp board. This particular board has been discontinued for another part number. Ill have to look that service manual. thank you for looking.
That was very good good for you On getting it done you never give up
And it looks good
Like you said it won’t leak
Job done
Cheers from Nova Scotia
I had that happen to my $$$ custom radiator...I tapped out the hole & threaded in a Hose barb...
It doesn’t have to look pretty for it to work, good job as always thanks for sharing!! 👍
I like the repair, mainly because you learned from it, made it better and also put some previously learned skills into practice. That threaded fitting for the pipe is a much better idea, it can now be replaced or changed however is needed.
Such an interesting video. Love it. Sounds to me you’re a very patient man. (I’m Andrew.).
Working with what you have and getting it fixed! Looks good to me :)