I watched your stuff while I was early in school long ago, and now I've been a software engineer for 5 years. Thanks for the guidance you gave long ago
Respectfully. Most developers just need to learn about FU money & just stick to the job market. Unless you want to learn about business and making money. Any CMS system you use will not be the latest and greatest tech. The name of the game is making money when you're in business. That's it! lol
i try to escape php, wp route for one reason.. the pay is pretty bad potentially in that line of work.. there are companies trying to hire dev with a lot of those skills for admin level salaries.. and often they'll stick the word "junior" in front of the role, but its clear.. its not a junior role. ... and frankly, the pay in my humble opinion doesn't nearly justify the hard work and dedication to learn WP+PHP... not for many of these salaries advertised anyway. But a c# role., java role, react role (although angular more common where I'm from). just for example.. they're nearly always paying good. I have witnessed how hard it is for these companies to find any type of dev skills.. so I must assume that php, WP just isn't able to generate enough revenue to allow the devs in that field to be paid well for their relatively high skill level.
"i try to escape php, wp route for one reason.. the pay is pretty bad potentially in that line of work.. there are companies trying to hire dev with a lot of those skills for admin level salaries.. and often they'll stick the word "junior" in front of the role, but its clear.. its not a junior role. ... and frankly, the pay in my humble opinion doesn't nearly justify the hard work and dedication to learn WP+PHP... not for many of these salaries advertised anyway. " Is this freelance work or working for someone?
@@1122slickliverpool I suspect that going the self employed route would be better paid if its your own business ; no its salaries being offered working for companies. but most of these dev firms are small, when its WP PHP (obviously they want JS, HTML, CSS, bootstrap, etc.. but that goes without saying). There are a few freelancer ones listed, but often they want a designer and a dev all in one. I've got other irons in the fire.. but its such a shame to see PHP and WP so low paid.. but its also very interesting.
Earlier this year I applied at an agency for a WP developer position. I'm not in a major city, let alone SF or NYC, but $15-25 an hour seemed really low for everything they were asking for. I basically told them that if they find a developer with everything they're looking for, including the experience, he or she is going to jump ship to a better opportunity as soon as they could. Still, it could be a good way to get one's foot in the door and gain some experience, but it's not good enough for one's own financial health long-term.
@@bhutchin1996 true, very true. I'm in the UK and the salaries I'm talking about are worse for some dev roles (but we arent a cheap country to live in).. £10 / hr. So.. that's something around $13/hr (without looking it up) Maybe $13-$15. So translating your $15-$25 into Uk pounds.. out of interest. .. thats 12/hr to 20/hr GBP Now converting to full time annual salary: 25k - 42k , for UK not too bad. The lower of them figures is pretty bad .. but 42k GBP/yr is fairly ok for UK for wp. Its hard to get above that actually for wp here. I dont think we pay very well for tech.. compared to US.
I worked with PHP + WordPress for around 3 years, AVOID IT!. You'll feel stuck, the salaries are stagnant, as soon as I went full react + anything else on the backend my salary increased by x5 wordpress is good if you have nothing and you want to make a quick buck, but if you want to "grow" as a programmer and become a better developer then avoid wordpress, if you just want to make some bucks and COMPETE WITH INDIANS and third world people go for it, but keep in mind, you'll be taking over the work from indians who were paid around 2 bucks per hour and then you'll be left with a massive horrible code base that you'll have to fix but you won't have the good salary for
@@Dgmstudios40 well php is a dead language, you can stay in the sinking ship good luck, I know how to handle php but I never develop new things with it
@@imascrew6218 I use many languages. But by you saying that PHP is a dead language, just proves you don't know enough to talk on this subject. A simple Google search of PHP usage will show you why that was a dumb thing to say lol
In my experience as a freelancer FrontEnd Web developer for 8 years is that it's a good idea to specialize in 1-2 CMSs that you like and that are in demand. Then 5-10% allocate time for a framework like Angular
i have a question please , is the freelancing market in the web dev field saturated ?, because i see a lot of competition in freelancing websites like upwork ...etc
@@islemTfs saturated with devs that can do little else other than knockup a WP site from templates is my observation. My prev. firm got one in and asked him to work from a design, and frankly.. he just couldn't. Totally different ballgame to just selecting templates and customising. There are lots of people that know how to host a website.. how to select WP plugins, update them and how to customise wordpress themes to make a custom webpage ; there are not so many who can solve site problems or build a customised site properly designed and built to client spec. Even working with standard html and css, building from a design a fully responsive tailored customer webpage can be quite a skilled thing.. and not many people want to learn to actually code. At least, that is what i observed working in the ind for a'while.
@@joecater894 to be honest, page builders has changed the game. Now graphic designers just select a theme, add text and images. Clients just want a good looking website. They decide by just looking. They don't care for a custom coded website or WordPress theme.
I noticed that, suddendly there are lots of jobs in wordpress and php in general. According to JS prophets, all cms, crm should have been done in JS frameworks. And to this day no JS framework came even close to provide an easy to use alternative to content management
More than 6 months into freelancing and now I've started thinking about it. Not that I haven't made any $, the part where I have to do what I don't like doing is what I dislike about freelancing. Perhaps I'll get there over time when I only do things I like to do
First time watching Uncle Stef. Great advice! 👍 I wish I had a mentor when I first started my coding journey. Having been coding for quite some time now, I can confidently affirm that if you aspire to work with the tools and technologies you love, it's best to seek opportunities at companies that actively utilize them. Working for an agency or as a freelancer can indeed present challenges, as it often requires mastering a diverse range of tools to sustain your job and generate income. In my experience as a backend developer, I unexpectedly found myself tackling both frontend and backend tasks, and even venturing into non-standard scripting languages along the way. Wishing you the best of luck on your coding endeavors! 💕
I like the advice on following the market. Like planning out a product backlog for having things to do for a period of time you should be storing away skills in anticipation of your plan to utilize them on projects to come. After a while when you are settled into this cycle and finding it profitable there is always time for personal growth. That little part of you that craves the creativity or just to build some things that are your own. I am doing hobby apps with Python for NFL football. I interweave my in demand market necessities with it. For example turning my Python code into micro services with FastAPI and building a console web UI to monitor my services in React 18.
I needed a website for my Steam game. I used WP after watching a 1 hour you tube. As a client all I wanted was the site up, looking reasonably good. As the developer I used the fastest way I knew at the time to create and deploy what the client wanted.
@@sqwert654 times has changed, today hosting static sites it's basicly free but many people still uses wp because it will be easier to update it (aka, they never going to) but still requires constant managment of backend and costly servers. WP is a beast hard to defeat.,
Good stuff here! In my work, often I don't get to choose the stack as I'm typically fixing a lot of older websites for a large company that has over 25 years of mergers and each of those had their own apps we took over management for. Kind of a nightmare really but I've had the opportunity to learn a lot of stacks well enough to patch and deploy them. We get everything you can imagine and even some exotic stacks. In the end you have to do what it best for the business from the business owners perspective. In my role, we are expected to also be consultants and do what is in the best interest of the business financially. That should be your approach for each new gig you get. If you do that, you'll never be out of work. 🙂
That's a good way of looking at it. I'm just starting to code and so far I've been losing my mind over what to start with after the front end (javascript, css, html) there are so many options! 😵💫
I spent most of the last two decades as a PHP developer, with the last three years primarily as a Node developer. The transition was a reluctant one, but I'm extremely happy I did. I'll always love PHP, but I think I've spent up my last backend in it, at least voluntarily. NPM is now solid. Node's performance was already good, better than PHP in almost every way. With the release of Bun it's not even a contest. Most importantly though, I've come to thoroughly enjoy JavaScript development. PHP is still a capable language. I look forward to making stupid amounts of money in the future migrating legacy PHP applications, just as Cobol devs do today. That said, I can't see myself choosing it when there is an option that is faster, easier to develop against (once you know how to use it), and is just as enjoyable to code.
I see so many people who use React for every single thing. Implementing things like simple websites or shops with React instead of tools which were built especially for this use case.
..lol..well, I'm glad you took the path you did. Honestly, the dating market by itself outside of coding is already crazy. You don't want that mess. I started off teaching myself html,css,javascript back in the early 2000s, took a long pause and did some wordpress stuff and then started looking into python for data and cybersecurity stuff only to realize that their is no escaping javascript..lol .....I just had to come back. So I'm just re-learning javascript again so I can become a well rounded developer. I think any programmer whom can utilize wordpress and understand the entire mern and/or lamp stack would be doing themselves a great favor.. .....especially if they know how to develop something for the client to utilize long term. Once I get better at javascript, I'm definitely going back to do that with wordpress. So much has changed in the last 20 years it's crazy.
Apart from considerations mentioned i think a patience & a bit of time is a must add to the equation. I believe there should be love and perseverance in what you're doing and believe to be a good way, in addition to what client's asking for here and now.. This is how tree grows - as we say in the east :))
I mean, freelance stuff will always still use wordpress as the go to solution. there are still many people use it. if you plan to stick to freelancing, then the demands is yes it's gonna be wordpress most of the time. cause they don't need anything custom made as mostly freelance projects are coming from small businesses.
Since you already know react, youll be able to work with blocks which is mainly react or vanilla Javascript. So just add php to your existing wordpress knowledge and you should be fine.
the real issue here is that react has been heavily marketed as an answer to every possible question. It isn't the answer to any question except "how can we build an unstable, unmaintainable pile of sh*t?". So many react applications are going to have to be re-written using some other framework, because they are not maintainable after the original team move on.
@@valentinpirone6471 Angular is great for large applications, especially enterprise. Vue, Solid and Svelte all exist, Python frameworks are mature. The list is long.
Could also point out for a react dev. All block theme for wordpress is react. Where most Wordpress devs don’t know that or would be hard to learn so you could have advantage no need to be headless.
Hey! Could you please me more about this? How a block theme is basically a react? I am a frontend dev already. But in jobs I see it pays less. So started to thinking about learning wordpress development and sold service to the freelance marketplace.
I recommend Symfony + Hotwire Stimulus and Turbo. For me the best tools and I like them :) Turning JSON into HTML using JavaScript and those it's frameworks is just crazy way of doing things :D
Hi Uncle Stef. In the moment i am attending an Full Stack Web Developer academy in my country. We are learning HTML, CSS, Javascript, little bit Jquery, little bit responsive Web, NodeJS, Mongo DB, Mongoose, NestJS, PostgreSQL, REACT , ANGULAR and will learn some additional stuffs when all of the above mention program completes. In my opinion it's maybe good to learn all of this stuffs but in the same time i don't know if i need to focus more on some those technologies and less on others. I think it's little bit difficult to learn and be proficient in all of them. As the end of academy approaches i I'm going through a small chaos in my head. I know the concepts of each of them but i could mixed the syntax from time to time on some of them. I know that maybe you had given some advice to your followers on RUclips about this subjects , but if you had time i would appreciate your advice on which technologies i should pick to be good at and pay attention more. I'm 44 Years old trying to change my career path i hop i'll manage to do that. Regards, Tode
Just search my channel on how to get your first developer job. I can understand why your head is in chaos ... sounds like the curriculum was designed around buzz tech vs reality.
In my country, React JS is at the top of the job market. 80% of companies are looking for React and Next JS, while 20% are searching for Vue and Angular JS developers for frontend. I don't see much demand for Wordpress and PHP.
Where were these Wordpress clients when I used to struggle to find clients that wouldn’t ditch me for some custom spaghetti coded, unsupported crap, then try to lowball me for Wordpress dev later. 😂
Giving the client a wordpress site and seeing it become total and utter crap in 2months because who knows what they changed is better, because I got paid.
Sounds like a poor explanation of why headless, there's benefits in using react but its not for everyone-theres nit picky clients that are pain in the ass to work with and those seem to be the two friends that guy has. I dont take on those type of clients
Hello sir i just want to comment here. last 2022 i also ask for your advice because im in a different field . now im close to 1 year as a react developer . thank you . still hungry for knowledge . whats next for me ?
I like that I've managed to leave the WordPress space. It's garbage with little room for technical growth. Unless your killing it with jobs your just limiting your own success
as an aspiring full stack dev, I chose to not go down the React route, it just feels horrible to learn (to me personally). I'm absolutely loving Svelte and SvelteKit.
@@scratchy996 yea that’s also a concern. I’m planning to go ful stack so it’s either sveltekit with no jobs, or react with jobs but wasayyyy too many people. On the plus side, svelte is much easier to learn than react. So can always learn next then grab sveltekit 😂
WordPress is fine to start a career but never stay there very long. You want to get out of WordPress and move into bespoke software development ASAP. Otherwise you'll get shit pay, agency work, poor flexibility, over-reliance in third parties, skill rot, the works. I don't generally recommend it outside of freelance work.
Can't say for sure, but there's a big market for plug-ins themes for WordPress and Woocommerce, and the latter one is quite good at handling most of the small and medium sized online stores with not much work. So I think you can earn quite decent from a proper WordPress plug-in made especially for e-commerce, or theme. Read somewhere that the MailChimp plug-in dev said the earnings from his WordPress module was about 36k USD / month and he did earn over 2M USD and he sell it for 1.6M USD, so that's a good amount of money for anyone, wherever you live.
Grandfather, thank you for your effort, but sometimes you delve into things you don't know or they have outgrown you. How many years of experience do you have in modern js frameworks: Vue, React, Svelte,..., to be able to evaluate real differences, advantages?. Far from that, You have experience in programming: php, java, python. The differences are important, depending on the project, let alone if you have no idea about these "new" frameworks. You can't judge. Sorry.
@@StefanMischook Not really. Have you ever tried to handle state management for a somewhat complicated front facing website with lots of interdependent functionality?
Unfortunately, Steff isn't aware of React's benefits. To compare React with WordPress is like comparing a piece of bread with a book. They are uncomparable since they pursue different goals. To start thinking of a good solution for a commercial web-site building, we'd better focus on the advantages of SPA (single page application) approach over the old-school wordpress-php one. These advatanges are numerous.
Ah, the inevitable meeting between "software" and "the business". Money talks and cares not for what you think is "cool". - A PHP dev that sucks at WordPress :)
@@CrisCozy How are you able to find work, is it through Upwork, Linkedin, your existing network? Also, I was under the impression that for freelancing cross-platform technologies like React Native would be better as the clients generally want an Android and an iOS app. Do your clients only want an iOS app? Never done mobile development personally but I'm pretty curious about it so that's why I'm asking all this... ;p
@@rod6722 Mines is niche. I solve problems. Example: I build booking/Appointment apps for barbers, hairstylists, dog groomers. All the same code any add on is extra. Now they have there personal app and adds strong credentials to there brand. I don’t go looking for work I create the work. Solve a problem in your area.
Never though I'd see a mail like that ever! If you've put the work in and can work on react and next just get a real job in a decent company and wipe your a55 with wordpress and it's ancient technologies!!!!
I watched your stuff while I was early in school long ago, and now I've been a software engineer for 5 years. Thanks for the guidance you gave long ago
Congratulations!
Respectfully. Most developers just need to learn about FU money & just stick to the job market. Unless you want to learn about business and making money. Any CMS system you use will not be the latest and greatest tech. The name of the game is making money when you're in business. That's it! lol
i try to escape php, wp route for one reason.. the pay is pretty bad potentially in that line of work.. there are companies trying to hire dev with a lot of those skills for admin level salaries.. and often they'll stick the word "junior" in front of the role, but its clear.. its not a junior role. ... and frankly, the pay in my humble opinion doesn't nearly justify the hard work and dedication to learn WP+PHP... not for many of these salaries advertised anyway.
But a c# role., java role, react role (although angular more common where I'm from). just for example.. they're nearly always paying good.
I have witnessed how hard it is for these companies to find any type of dev skills.. so I must assume that php, WP just isn't able to generate enough revenue to allow the devs in that field to be paid well for their relatively high skill level.
"i try to escape php, wp route for one reason.. the pay is pretty bad potentially in that line of work.. there are companies trying to hire dev with a lot of those skills for admin level salaries.. and often they'll stick the word "junior" in front of the role, but its clear.. its not a junior role. ... and frankly, the pay in my humble opinion doesn't nearly justify the hard work and dedication to learn WP+PHP... not for many of these salaries advertised anyway. "
Is this freelance work or working for someone?
@@1122slickliverpool I suspect that going the self employed route would be better paid if its your own business ; no its salaries being offered working for companies. but most of these dev firms are small, when its WP PHP (obviously they want JS, HTML, CSS, bootstrap, etc.. but that goes without saying).
There are a few freelancer ones listed, but often they want a designer and a dev all in one.
I've got other irons in the fire.. but its such a shame to see PHP and WP so low paid.. but its also very interesting.
Learn spring, you'll never be worried about jobs.
Earlier this year I applied at an agency for a WP developer position. I'm not in a major city, let alone SF or NYC, but $15-25 an hour seemed really low for everything they were asking for. I basically told them that if they find a developer with everything they're looking for, including the experience, he or she is going to jump ship to a better opportunity as soon as they could. Still, it could be a good way to get one's foot in the door and gain some experience, but it's not good enough for one's own financial health long-term.
@@bhutchin1996 true, very true. I'm in the UK and the salaries I'm talking about are worse for some dev roles (but we arent a cheap country to live in).. £10 / hr. So.. that's something around $13/hr (without looking it up) Maybe $13-$15.
So translating your $15-$25 into Uk pounds.. out of interest. .. thats 12/hr to 20/hr GBP
Now converting to full time annual salary:
25k - 42k , for UK not too bad. The lower of them figures is pretty bad .. but 42k GBP/yr is fairly ok for UK for wp. Its hard to get above that actually for wp here. I dont think we pay very well for tech.. compared to US.
I worked with PHP + WordPress for around 3 years, AVOID IT!.
You'll feel stuck, the salaries are stagnant, as soon as I went full react + anything else on the backend my salary increased by x5
wordpress is good if you have nothing and you want to make a quick buck, but if you want to "grow" as a programmer and become a better developer then avoid wordpress, if you just want to make some bucks and COMPETE WITH INDIANS and third world people go for it, but keep in mind, you'll be taking over the work from indians who were paid around 2 bucks per hour and then you'll be left with a massive horrible code base that you'll have to fix but you won't have the good salary for
Sounds like you were never any good at WordPress development. Bad take.
@@Dgmstudios40
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@@Dgmstudios40 well php is a dead language, you can stay in the sinking ship
good luck,
I know how to handle php but I never develop new things with it
@@imascrew6218 I use many languages. But by you saying that PHP is a dead language, just proves you don't know enough to talk on this subject. A simple Google search of PHP usage will show you why that was a dumb thing to say lol
@@imascrew6218stop with your propaganda. PHP is very much alive. There are many PHP jobs available out there.
In my experience as a freelancer FrontEnd Web developer for 8 years is that it's a good idea to specialize in 1-2 CMSs that you like and that are in demand. Then 5-10% allocate time for a framework like Angular
i have a question please , is the freelancing market in the web dev field saturated ?, because i see a lot of competition in freelancing websites like upwork ...etc
Not saturated. I was just speaking to a developer today and he was saying how it was for his company to find talent.
@@islemTfs saturated with devs that can do little else other than knockup a WP site from templates is my observation. My prev. firm got one in and asked him to work from a design, and frankly.. he just couldn't. Totally different ballgame to just selecting templates and customising. There are lots of people that know how to host a website.. how to select WP plugins, update them and how to customise wordpress themes to make a custom webpage ; there are not so many who can solve site problems or build a customised site properly designed and built to client spec. Even working with standard html and css, building from a design a fully responsive tailored customer webpage can be quite a skilled thing.. and not many people want to learn to actually code. At least, that is what i observed working in the ind for a'while.
@@StefanMischook thanks for responding, you are the best
@@joecater894 to be honest, page builders has changed the game. Now graphic designers just select a theme, add text and images. Clients just want a good looking website. They decide by just looking. They don't care for a custom coded website or WordPress theme.
You're the man! Thanks for share these valued advises, for free!
My pleasure!
react is amazing, it "just works" after you get all the nuances down.
I noticed that, suddendly there are lots of jobs in wordpress and php in general.
According to JS prophets, all cms, crm should have been done in JS frameworks.
And to this day no JS framework came even close to provide an easy to use alternative to content management
There is the JAMstack option.
@@creativeminds5222Still a lot to maintain when compare to a traditional cms platform.
Yep. Nothing is easier than Wordpress.
Pretty much normal bt i feel the guy should look for remote jobs or full time jobs
Start thinking instead
@@RR-et6zpWdym?
More than 6 months into freelancing and now I've started thinking about it.
Not that I haven't made any $, the part where I have to do what I don't like doing is what I dislike about freelancing.
Perhaps I'll get there over time when I only do things I like to do
First time watching Uncle Stef. Great advice! 👍 I wish I had a mentor when I first started my coding journey. Having been coding for quite some time now, I can confidently affirm that if you aspire to work with the tools and technologies you love, it's best to seek opportunities at companies that actively utilize them. Working for an agency or as a freelancer can indeed present challenges, as it often requires mastering a diverse range of tools to sustain your job and generate income. In my experience as a backend developer, I unexpectedly found myself tackling both frontend and backend tasks, and even venturing into non-standard scripting languages along the way. Wishing you the best of luck on your coding endeavors! 💕
I like the advice on following the market. Like planning out a product backlog for having things to do for a period of time you should be storing away skills in anticipation of your plan to utilize them on projects to come. After a while when you are settled into this cycle and finding it profitable there is always time for personal growth. That little part of you that craves the creativity or just to build some things that are your own. I am doing hobby apps with Python for NFL football. I interweave my in demand market necessities with it. For example turning my Python code into micro services with FastAPI and building a console web UI to monitor my services in React 18.
You made so much sense unclestef!!!
I needed a website for my Steam game. I used WP after watching a 1 hour you tube. As a client all I wanted was the site up, looking reasonably good. As the developer I used the fastest way I knew at the time to create and deploy what the client wanted.
where did you hosted? also, be honest, how much of a static site is it?
@@SRG-Learn-Code local AU host I used 9 years ago. It's just a static site where I can host tutorials.
@@sqwert654 times has changed, today hosting static sites it's basicly free but many people still uses wp because it will be easier to update it (aka, they never going to) but still requires constant managment of backend and costly servers. WP is a beast hard to defeat.,
let us see it
@@rifqimujahid4907 I'll add some screenshots later and tutorial.
Good stuff here! In my work, often I don't get to choose the stack as I'm typically fixing a lot of older websites for a large company that has over 25 years of mergers and each of those had their own apps we took over management for. Kind of a nightmare really but I've had the opportunity to learn a lot of stacks well enough to patch and deploy them. We get everything you can imagine and even some exotic stacks. In the end you have to do what it best for the business from the business owners perspective. In my role, we are expected to also be consultants and do what is in the best interest of the business financially. That should be your approach for each new gig you get. If you do that, you'll never be out of work. 🙂
That's a good way of looking at it.
I'm just starting to code and so far I've been losing my mind over what to start with after the front end (javascript, css, html) there are so many options! 😵💫
I spent most of the last two decades as a PHP developer, with the last three years primarily as a Node developer. The transition was a reluctant one, but I'm extremely happy I did. I'll always love PHP, but I think I've spent up my last backend in it, at least voluntarily. NPM is now solid. Node's performance was already good, better than PHP in almost every way. With the release of Bun it's not even a contest. Most importantly though, I've come to thoroughly enjoy JavaScript development.
PHP is still a capable language. I look forward to making stupid amounts of money in the future migrating legacy PHP applications, just as Cobol devs do today. That said, I can't see myself choosing it when there is an option that is faster, easier to develop against (once you know how to use it), and is just as enjoyable to code.
I see so many people who use React for every single thing. Implementing things like simple websites or shops with React instead of tools which were built especially for this use case.
great advice, thanks!
..lol..well, I'm glad you took the path you did.
Honestly, the dating market by itself outside of coding is already crazy. You don't want that mess.
I started off teaching myself html,css,javascript back in the early 2000s, took a long pause and did some wordpress stuff and then started looking into python for data and cybersecurity stuff only to realize that their is no escaping javascript..lol
.....I just had to come back. So I'm just re-learning javascript again so I can become a well rounded developer.
I think any programmer whom can utilize wordpress and understand the entire mern and/or lamp stack would be doing themselves a great favor..
.....especially if they know how to develop something for the client to utilize long term.
Once I get better at javascript, I'm definitely going back to do that with wordpress. So much has changed in the last 20 years it's crazy.
Apart from considerations mentioned i think a patience & a bit of time is a must add to the equation.
I believe there should be love and perseverance in what you're doing and believe to be a good way, in addition to what client's asking for here and now..
This is how tree grows - as we say in the east :))
I mean, freelance stuff will always still use wordpress as the go to solution. there are still many people use it.
if you plan to stick to freelancing, then the demands is yes it's gonna be wordpress most of the time. cause they don't need anything custom made as mostly freelance projects are coming from small businesses.
Since you already know react, youll be able to work with blocks which is mainly react or vanilla Javascript. So just add php to your existing wordpress knowledge and you should be fine.
I'm still looking at CSS tbh ... still studying ...
keep it up!!!
Front end mentor is really good for practicing CSS
Keep at it!
the real issue here is that react has been heavily marketed as an answer to every possible question.
It isn't the answer to any question except "how can we build an unstable, unmaintainable pile of sh*t?".
So many react applications are going to have to be re-written using some other framework, because they are not maintainable after the original team move on.
React bad 😠😠😠
And what are the best alternatives? Angular?
Yeah that's why it's the most popular frontend framework in the world
@@okharev8114 let me introduce you to cigarettes the most popular addiction in the world, so they must be good, right?
@@valentinpirone6471 Angular is great for large applications, especially enterprise. Vue, Solid and Svelte all exist, Python frameworks are mature. The list is long.
Could also point out for a react dev. All block theme for wordpress is react. Where most Wordpress devs don’t know that or would be hard to learn so you could have advantage no need to be headless.
Hey! Could you please me more about this? How a block theme is basically a react?
I am a frontend dev already. But in jobs I see it pays less. So started to thinking about learning wordpress development and sold service to the freelance marketplace.
I recommend Symfony + Hotwire Stimulus and Turbo. For me the best tools and I like them :) Turning JSON into HTML using JavaScript and those it's frameworks is just crazy way of doing things :D
I'm very enjoying your type of explanation, thank you
You are very welcome
I am a certified Flash ActionScript coder. That was 20 years ago. I sometimes wonder if putting it on my resume is a mistake, because it dates me.
When you say "real world" does that encompass the real world of actual software engineering jobs where React is a highly sought after technology?
Hi Uncle Stef. In the moment i am attending an Full Stack Web Developer academy in my country. We are learning HTML, CSS, Javascript, little bit Jquery, little bit responsive Web, NodeJS, Mongo DB, Mongoose, NestJS, PostgreSQL, REACT , ANGULAR and will learn some additional stuffs when all of the above mention program completes. In my opinion it's maybe good to learn all of this stuffs but in the same time i don't know if i need to focus more on some those technologies and less on others. I think it's little bit difficult to learn and be proficient in all of them. As the end of academy approaches i I'm going through a small chaos in my head. I know the concepts of each of them but i could mixed the syntax from time to time on some of them. I know that maybe you had given some advice to your followers on RUclips about this subjects , but if you had time i would appreciate your advice on which technologies i should pick to be good at and pay attention more. I'm 44 Years old trying to change my career path i hop i'll manage to do that. Regards,
Tode
Just search my channel on how to get your first developer job. I can understand why your head is in chaos ... sounds like the curriculum was designed around buzz tech vs reality.
Doesn't spotify use react? Maybe you could see if there's a CMS with skills you prefer.
Thanks for sharing
You bet!
Hi, Mr Stef, what about Flutter? What are the reality check i need to prepare myself in the real world?.
Look at the job market.
Hi uncle Stef, can you make a video about how you monetise studio web and your pricing model.
In my country, React JS is at the top of the job market. 80% of companies are looking for React and Next JS, while 20% are searching for Vue and Angular JS developers for frontend. I don't see much demand for Wordpress and PHP.
Thanks uncle
Any time
Found this very useful
Glad to hear!
Gotta accept it. Fast money is in shitty companies asking for shitty websites. Nothing fancy, just do the job and get paid a lot.
But you could do work editing easily in nextjs as well
Where were these Wordpress clients when I used to struggle to find clients that wouldn’t ditch me for some custom spaghetti coded, unsupported crap, then try to lowball me for Wordpress dev later. 😂
Shots fired lol
Giving the client a wordpress site and seeing it become total and utter crap in 2months because who knows what they changed is better, because I got paid.
You sure it's not "69" point "42" percent?
Sounds like a poor explanation of why headless, there's benefits in using react but its not for everyone-theres nit picky clients that are pain in the ass to work with and those seem to be the two friends that guy has. I dont take on those type of clients
Hello sir i just want to comment here. last 2022 i also ask for your advice because im in a different field . now im close to 1 year as a react developer . thank you . still hungry for knowledge . whats next for me ?
I like that I've managed to leave the WordPress space. It's garbage with little room for technical growth. Unless your killing it with jobs your just limiting your own success
Get better clients.
as an aspiring full stack dev, I chose to not go down the React route, it just feels horrible to learn (to me personally). I'm absolutely loving Svelte and SvelteKit.
But, jobs aren't available. I'm planning to learn react now.
@@simplatory802 Good luck finding a react job. The market is shit right now, it's flooded with react developers.
@@scratchy996 yea that’s also a concern. I’m planning to go ful stack so it’s either sveltekit with no jobs, or react with jobs but wasayyyy too many people. On the plus side, svelte is much easier to learn than react. So can always learn next then grab sveltekit 😂
LMAO.. swinging coder guy 😂😂😂 very interesting niche.
Yes. I was happy to fill that niche for the time I was ...
"and it got taken over by swingers..." LOL
WordPress is fine to start a career but never stay there very long. You want to get out of WordPress and move into bespoke software development ASAP.
Otherwise you'll get shit pay, agency work, poor flexibility, over-reliance in third parties, skill rot, the works.
I don't generally recommend it outside of freelance work.
certainly looks that way.
Can't say for sure, but there's a big market for plug-ins themes for WordPress and Woocommerce, and the latter one is quite good at handling most of the small and medium sized online stores with not much work.
So I think you can earn quite decent from a proper WordPress plug-in made especially for e-commerce, or theme. Read somewhere that the MailChimp plug-in dev said the earnings from his WordPress module was about 36k USD / month and he did earn over 2M USD and he sell it for 1.6M USD, so that's a good amount of money for anyone, wherever you live.
Grandfather, thank you for your effort, but sometimes you delve into things you don't know or they have outgrown you. How many years of experience do you have in modern js frameworks: Vue, React, Svelte,..., to be able to evaluate real differences, advantages?. Far from that, You have experience in programming: php, java, python. The differences are important, depending on the project, let alone if you have no idea about these "new" frameworks. You can't judge. Sorry.
😂 it’s all old stuff wrapped in new packaging. The only new stuff are the server models and dev ops.
@@StefanMischook Not really. Have you ever tried to handle state management for a somewhat complicated front facing website with lots of interdependent functionality?
8:38 Let the market drive you... heck yeah!
Unfortunately, Steff isn't aware of React's benefits. To compare React with WordPress is like comparing a piece of bread with a book. They are uncomparable since they pursue different goals. To start thinking of a good solution for a commercial web-site building, we'd better focus on the advantages of SPA (single page application) approach over the old-school wordpress-php one. These advatanges are numerous.
Did you even watch the video? I wasn't comparing React to WP in anyway regarding the tech.
BTW, SPA (single page application) isn't anything new. It is a rebranded and modified version of what we use to call Model 1.
Every website is not meant to be a single page application lmao
Why not just find a React job?
Because he wants to freelance.
@@StefanMischook Stable job is a much better option than freelance.
@@davidbasil3161 there is nothing stable about having a job. But you wouldn't know that if you just accept the status quo.
Anytime weirdpress😆😆
React is a complete hype. I do nt use it and do not recommend to you.
Ah, the inevitable meeting between "software" and "the business". Money talks and cares not for what you think is "cool". - A PHP dev that sucks at WordPress :)
JavaScript is more painful than butt seks.
do u know first hand? lol
Hey
Yo.
This is Reactily
I Hated web development.
I Switched to SwiftUI it’s way less of a headache imo.
Do you have a job in that now? If so, how did you get into it? Thanks in advance!
im learning slowly learning swift ui apis right now; built out a basic view app
@@joaquin67 No job, freelancing for now.
@@CrisCozy How are you able to find work, is it through Upwork, Linkedin, your existing network?
Also, I was under the impression that for freelancing cross-platform technologies like React Native would be better as the clients generally want an Android and an iOS app. Do your clients only want an iOS app?
Never done mobile development personally but I'm pretty curious about it so that's why I'm asking all this... ;p
@@rod6722 Mines is niche. I solve problems. Example: I build booking/Appointment apps for barbers, hairstylists, dog groomers. All the same code any add on is extra. Now they have there personal app and adds strong credentials to there brand. I don’t go looking for work I create the work.
Solve a problem in your area.
Flash action script coding 😭😭
first nah!
Never though I'd see a mail like that ever! If you've put the work in and can work on react and next just get a real job in a decent company and wipe your a55 with wordpress and it's ancient technologies!!!!