No more packs. We have enough packs in the universe. Every musician I know and will ever meet has a pack. There are more producer packs than molecules in the universe
No more packs? There are plenty of packs to choose from, plus, there are generated (fake, but high-quality) sample packs to import. This means Output's Co-Producer can generate packs based on your frest ideas with prompts. It takes a plenty of time before you get it right.
I gave this one a test earlier last week, tried a few dozen varieties of prompts, got the same or very similar melodies and patterns numerous times just with slight alterations (even though the prompts were different). I got almost identical samples even though I gave it a variety of moods in the prompts, apparently it thinks that moods like 'dark/melancholic/sad/suspenseful/etc' are the same things because it kept giving me almost identical results. Also I got drum loops when I asked for atmosphere, that was also kind of funny 😅 At first I thought, hey this is kinda cool, but that quickly became a bit of a disappointment after hearing the same thing over and over again.
Thats why it's free. They are beta testing it and in it's current state, it's not something they could charge for. They probably use GPT 3.5 or some open source LLM as backend. GP4 would do it better, but it is super expensive to use in the long run.
@@digidope Its free because it's just using there pre existing audio library and is a way to get new users into the Output train same reason all thses brands have free stuff, from Akai to Arturia to who ever.
There's no evidence that Output's Co-Producer uses GPT-3.5 or any other specific large language model for generating sample packs. Co-Producer only deals with audio samples and it uses a different type of AI model specifically designed for audio manipulation.
You confirm my suspicion. I tried it a bit and realised there are A LOT of simple descriptions that simply did not work Like „Jungle Music Beat in 160 Bpm „ and similar. It kept spitting things out that were very irrelevant imho. I gave up after 10 minutes
Don't just stand there! Keep pushing yourself - you've got this! Never give up, even if you get discouraged after ten minutes or feel like it's too late. That's the key advice: perseverance is everything!
yeah i figured it was just samples they had on hand but still nice to get free arcade samples lol i liked arcade just hated paying for the monthly subscription
yep, noticed the similar output and run a program to detect & delete duplicates (found a bunch of exactly the same samples). Still cool that you can use the output royalty free.
Nice detective work! With the few prompts I used, I noticed some common ground within many of the sounds *generated* (lol) It made me double-think of the true source... Kind of a let down. They really should make it known.
Detective work? wtf. Just try it and dl the sample pack. Thats all "detective work" you need. It gives u bunch of free samples from their products. U only need to listen the samples to know they are not AI generated.
This was an error on Outputs part - thank you for pointing this out. At best this is a "DAW"-in-a-website with a bounce down capability using samples and MIDI files in a clever way. If MidJourney worked this way, you'd see 3 different images layered on top of each other like a bad Frankenstein monster experiment. Companies can not use these labels if what they are doing is no where close to what they say it is doing. This topic is confusing enough without misleading moves like this from a trusted major player in our industry. It used to be we would say "Don't feed the trolls" - but what do we say now for situations like this?
So just a more accurate search engine instead of the bad one in arcade, noted i really bought the hype 🤦🏽♂️ probably one of the post I can relate to the most i also sometimes wonder why I’m still paying for it, and from time to time they drop something interesting like the drum and bass line, never saw that one coming 😂. I was searching for that super thanks link you deserve a drink on this one thanks man
oh... this explains why when I tested this, I was confused, because on the one hand it seemed like the samples, that were suggested to me, were too repetitive to be generated on the fly, but on the other hand they did sound kinda warbled like AI generated sounds often do. They are warbled, but not from AI resynthesis, but simply from timestretching artefacts. Man, that sucks. Some of these samples might actually be usable, but they get auto-edited in a bad way to fit to your prompt inputs
it might be decieving but ngl... i think its really cool and still useful. wouldnt have probably even known about it without this video. Arcade is something I am glad I bought into, its like Splice in a box with effects and more playability.
LOL, whatever prompt I have put in or what any RUclipsr put in … it all sounds the same in the end and has nothing to do with the actual prompt. Its just BS.
I hate this. So much. if it does what is advertised, it could be a good tool to help get rid of beatblock.... but how long until people start just using the packs, dragging them around on ableton/fl and calling it a day? it has the potential to take a lot of the life out of music production as a general idea rofl.
Not too hype about it although I have yet to use it. However, I still refuse to cancel my Arcade subscription. I still struggle to add layered sounds to my beats consistently, so Arcade fills it out nicely. lol.
Initially I was annoyed when Supertone pulled this kind of stunt with Goyo (now Clear). But Clear ended up being even better than Goyo (which was already good) and not too expensive to upgrade to (for Goyo beta users). I do agree it's kind of deceptive to market it as generative when it's really not, but it will be interesting to see how much it improves with some use and further training.
Yeah as soon as they showed this online I used it once and saw it was just a prompt to quickly search there arcade packs and conform it to what you asked. Nothing great. It’s quicker but nothing original
I think I may use that fart noise in a drum beat! 😂 BTW - I still pay for Arcade too. We’re just suckers, I guess. I rarely use it anymore, so maybe I’ll just cancel and “generate” the samples for free.
might wanna look into suno ai, i swear they straight up train their model off very popular copyrighted stuff. i was able to get songs sounding like half assed Metallica, Judas Priest, Michael Jackson, Ghostemane, Scarlxrd, Bones.. the list goes on. just tell the ai to stylize your track like something copyrighted, it will mimic it pretty damn well..
If sample pack stuff can actually solve the issue of content I’d and copyright issues then yes, I can definitely see a use of ai. But until then everyone will be having issues with this
Your e-mail address is part of the data collection process as they associate the sounds with particular accounts. It probably gets anonymised to humans but Output is trading content for lots of data. Shocking, I know.
I got packs with multiples of the same samples spaced out in different packs I had it "generate" for me. All were different genres etc. The similarity I found was the words "piano melody". Gave me the same ones no matter the genre, bpm, or key. They just "resynthesized" them lol. It's so lame though. Let's mislead the industry so everybody gets the same outdated samples. mmmmmmuuuuhahahaha! Now music is flooded with the same crapy, I'm sure old af, sample packs. Thanks, Unison Audio, I mean, Output.
Weaver, aside from the honesty having to do with generating packs from scratch, what’s stopping the development of this generative sample technology. I personally don’t like using sample packs from sample companies, but we need to embrace the future of this technology and the freedom it will give us. I am a producer and I love some things about technology but not all of it. I am using a lot of Ai in my music and making a lot of money doing so. I am also developing and using software that generates quite a lot more than packs and vocals. I could share more with you but I have certain secrets, partners and interest. Have you watched and heard what others said about Output in other videos, they were all scared. Are you aware of how many sample pack companies are online selling samples. I am not projecting I am teaching them how to use math rather than fear. Ai is going to take their jobs if they fear it like mp3 and streaming look where that got them. They are training the Ai while you guys are prompting. They are going be able to generate far more than packs.
From what you’re describing, the tool is ‘intelligently constructing’ samples by altering snd editing samples from its internal library. It may possibly be layering additional samples, all using (AI?) interpretations of the text based input. So the text controls sample selection and a series of editing and mixing tools in order to ‘CONSTRUCT’ an adaptation of samples from its internal database. It then generates a collection of these by constructing more adaptation variants.
It makes basic edits to it's own existing samples automatically such as pitch bend, compression, and other basic effects to make the sample more like what you asked for. For example it might turn a standerd piano sample into a Lofi piano sample by adding a wow and flutter effect, or it might add some Vinyl crackle. So technically it is AI and is more then just a search tool.
Practices like this are going to make regulations around how AI is described in products. Right now we’re in the era of if we can get away with it let’s go for it.
"They" were absolutely trying to make it sound crazier than it is. I finally tried it and was like "well, this is just Arcade without the interface." It generates nothing. It repeats the same "samples" over and over again. Is it "royalty free"? As much as any "sample pack." But it's not giving us anything that thousands of people aren't also getting. RUclipsrs we're gassing this up like it was something else for sure.
Saw this under license and ownership for co-producer…. The legal rights to all Samples generated by Co-Producer are owned by Output. How would this affect us when using this?
I NEVER thought they were generating the samples themselves. Especially after using it, that's fucking obvious. Am I the only one who understood from the jump? Read the email? Etc? They make Arcade. THEY HAVE 1000s of SAMPLES ALREADY. They are generating a PACK. Also Splice literally just came out with the same thing, so why would Arcade be different?
Weaver unfortunately i think you may be wrong here. I use arcade quite a lot and I know for a fact if those sounds were already in there it would have generated the art and everything because it would be under something like drip or toys etc. that section of arcade literally is for your own imported samples
@@Weaverbeats Sorry, using those not-so-great generated-but-fake sample packs can create a real, original music. You were having a hard time when humans using AI can replace humans, not AI directly replace humans.
I got the same bassline twice in three attempts. The second was just pitched down to the key specified in the prompt. Which means this is not generative AI. It's just a simple algorithm. And it is indeed deceiving.
Generative music is music created by a system of rules designed to arrive at a somewhat specified output, that ranges from very loose in terms of the system of rules to very strict. It is usually mathematically derived. The means of deriving this can be in the form of modules; sequencers, sample and hold generators, logic devices, LFOs, random sources etc, in modular systems, or through coding that is either transparent to the user like Csound, Max, Puredata, or opaque, through systems of prompts or a gui designed to arrive at a structure through that coding. This system barely satifies that criteria, since it just recombines alreading existing music rather than creating things from the ground up. It's flim flam marketing speak that relies on people's general ignorance of not just how these processes work, but essentially what they are. It's just a crude means of making a profit by jumping on the latest bandwagon with the minmum of work. Lame.
Yeah Weaver........when I did my review I realized that "your prompts" don't sound as good as the "randomized" that they generate for you. It yeah they are loops from Arcade. Not sure why but was this because of the beta and the training of the AI???? We will see. Dope vid as usual! Blessings! 💯
My issue with it is, the packs it compiled for me were shit: boring, generic submusical bollocks. I can't see any reason why anyone who's actually musical could ever need this because everything it produces that I've heard so far sounds lifeless and meaningless. Music is an extension of language. It's human communication. Machine generated soundpiss like this thing "generates" just muddies up the process of actual music making because it means nothing.
I don't understand "your data being used to train AI" if you're only giving away your email adress and prompts? But I was a bit surprised that the "generated" samples originated in Arcades arsenal.
You are up/down voting what they present you, which is in turn training their AI for free. Basically you are doing work for them for free. I don't particularly care that much about it, but I'm sure there are people that do.
As well as the up and down voting, they are going to be able to analyse the prompts, and make sure it's optimised for the things people most commonly prompt for and also use it to help fill any gaps in their sample library.
Why is this literally the only music production channel who calls stuff out for what it is??? Thanks for just being honest, there are countless videos praising output & Arcade and I think it's rubbish
I’m a little conflicted about Output; their instruments look interesting (in particular Substance and Signal) but I hate the NI/Arcade sample library business model.
sample packs just extend and enhance the quality of music that is possible by letting already good artists use great sounds to enhance their overall ideas. sure, they can be abused, or used as a tool. like many things.
@@bugglebegger143 if you can’t write or play your own music, you aren’t a musician. I’m cool with using creative sampling, but people these days are just lazy.
@@xkidmidnightxPopular music typically requires skill on at least three different instruments (or virtual representations of instrumental paradigms). 🎸🎹🥁🎙️ I won't begrudge anyone for getting assistance with *_some_* elements. I would be further in my musical journey if I took advantage of sample packs (at least for inspiration), and quit trying to stretch my finger-drumming beyond its capacity. That said, I would definitely feel like an imposter if I was releasing music with just loops that were intentionally designed to fit together.
@@crnkmnky I don’t really feel like the kind of drums that are present in modern electronic music require a lot of skill to program. It’s not like the chords or melodies are complex either. You don’t have to play them live so it makes it even easier. I can play guitar, banjo, bass, dulcimer, piano and am decent at the drums. I don’t see why people need so many crutches to make derivative edm junk. The majority of the effort in that kind of music is sound design and production, not the actual musicianship.
Why? If the music is good and original, who gives a fuck? Everyone _can_ make music without sample packs, but many choose not to because samples are awesome. They give you access to sounds you wouldn't have access to otherwise. I'll likely never own a Roland TR-909, but thanks to samples I still get to use 909 sounds in almost every track I make. I don't know how to play most instruments (just guitar and keys), couldn't afford to buy a massive instrument collection even if I did, and can't afford to hire a bunch of professional musicians to play in my tracks... but with samples and sample-based virtual instruments I can still carry out my creative vision despite all that. It might sound better if I were able to record all those parts in a with studio, sure, but thats simply not accessible to me and most other people. The idea that using samples is shameful is just elitist nonsense.
No it's not it's not but they should make it clear that the AI is only searching and automatically time stretching existing audio from there library's.
@@dooshnukem32Unison is not a scam. They don’t run from a server giving you samples, you get what you pay for with their plugins. Unison software is legitimately the most powerful Ai vsts I have at use in my studio.
@@crnkmnky Well I have successfully turned crap samples into something dope, infact I like the challenge. From what I have heard so far comming from it I could could definitely use alot of it.
Both Arcade and Co-Producer offer high-quality sounds. Arcade gives you more control over the sound design, while Co-Producer focuses on generating fresh ideas.
@@cyroxasph Arcade is dope however I don't do subscriptions, and Co producer, I dont remember much about it. For samples latly I'm feeling Cymatics, there stuff is good, but I do have plenty of My own stuff to use.
You all seem so super scared of this Ai technology genuinely generating the packs. Why oh why do you guys hate on this inevitable change of technology. Check back next week and kaboom its a multitude not just one company that’s genuinely generating packs. Hating on streaming and mp3 s was a lot of wasted fear and hate, energy wasted.
@@WeaverbeatsWeaver I don’t like using sample packs from sample companies, we need to embrace the future of this technology and the freedom it will give us. I am using a lot of Ai in my music and making a lot of money doing so. I am also developing and using software that generates quite a lot more than packs and vocals. I could share more with you but I have certain secrets, partners and interest. Weaver have you watched and heard what others said about it. Are you aware of how many sample pack companies are online selling samples. I am not projecting I am teaching them how to use math rather than fear. Ai is going to take their jobs if they fear it like mp3 and streaming look where that got them. They are training the Ai while you guys are prompting. They are going be able to generate far more than packs.
Deceptive? It literally says, "Pack Generator is a sophisticated sample pack generator that blends generative AI with authentic audio samples created by real musicians". Not being snarky at all, I just don't see the deception. 🤔
No more packs. We have enough packs in the universe. Every musician I know and will ever meet has a pack. There are more producer packs than molecules in the universe
No more packs? There are plenty of packs to choose from, plus, there are generated (fake, but high-quality) sample packs to import. This means Output's Co-Producer can generate packs based on your frest ideas with prompts. It takes a plenty of time before you get it right.
I gave this one a test earlier last week, tried a few dozen varieties of prompts, got the same or very similar melodies and patterns numerous times just with slight alterations (even though the prompts were different). I got almost identical samples even though I gave it a variety of moods in the prompts, apparently it thinks that moods like 'dark/melancholic/sad/suspenseful/etc' are the same things because it kept giving me almost identical results. Also I got drum loops when I asked for atmosphere, that was also kind of funny 😅
At first I thought, hey this is kinda cool, but that quickly became a bit of a disappointment after hearing the same thing over and over again.
I'm not complaining about free samples.
Thats why it's free. They are beta testing it and in it's current state, it's not something they could charge for. They probably use GPT 3.5 or some open source LLM as backend. GP4 would do it better, but it is super expensive to use in the long run.
@@digidope Its free because it's just using there pre existing audio library and is a way to get new users into the Output train same reason all thses brands have free stuff, from Akai to Arturia to who ever.
Bro what yes all those words mean basically the same mood 😂
There's no evidence that Output's Co-Producer uses GPT-3.5 or any other specific large language model for generating sample packs. Co-Producer only deals with audio samples and it uses a different type of AI model specifically designed for audio manipulation.
You confirm my suspicion. I tried it a bit and realised there are A LOT of simple descriptions that simply did not work
Like „Jungle Music Beat in 160 Bpm „ and similar. It kept spitting things out that were very irrelevant imho.
I gave up after 10 minutes
Don't just stand there! Keep pushing yourself - you've got this! Never give up, even if you get discouraged after ten minutes or feel like it's too late. That's the key advice: perseverance is everything!
5:34 You just EXPOSED Output's little PUPPET SHOW. It's a BONAFIED SEARCH ENGINE>!
yeah i figured it was just samples they had on hand but still nice to get free arcade samples lol i liked arcade just hated paying for the monthly subscription
See? You hated paying Output's Arcade for monthly subscription, so you can ensure that Co-Producer is always free with limitations.
yep, noticed the similar output and run a program to detect & delete duplicates (found a bunch of exactly the same samples). Still cool that you can use the output royalty free.
I've been playing around with this Output shit all morning and can't seem to get it to do anything worth exporting. LMAO
Nice detective work! With the few prompts I used, I noticed some common ground within many of the sounds *generated* (lol) It made me double-think of the true source... Kind of a let down. They really should make it known.
I'm going to download as much as possible while it's free.
Detective work? wtf. Just try it and dl the sample pack. Thats all "detective work" you need. It gives u bunch of free samples from their products. U only need to listen the samples to know they are not AI generated.
Hey@@digidope, have a great music production day! :) (Happy new year, too!)
I learned something! Nice vid Weaver!
this is what im trying to say to people! breath of fresh air that someone is talking about it! Thanks man.
It's a search engine. They have existe for a long time.
This was an error on Outputs part - thank you for pointing this out. At best this is a "DAW"-in-a-website with a bounce down capability using samples and MIDI files in a clever way. If MidJourney worked this way, you'd see 3 different images layered on top of each other like a bad Frankenstein monster experiment. Companies can not use these labels if what they are doing is no where close to what they say it is doing. This topic is confusing enough without misleading moves like this from a trusted major player in our industry. It used to be we would say "Don't feed the trolls" - but what do we say now for situations like this?
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Yooo weave!! happy new year man!! much love from LA you are the news network for the producing community lol except you keep it real 🤣
I did get some sick textures out of it though haha
Sure we would like to see it. 🔥🔥
Just wanted to say thanks for doing this one! Looking at the comments below, I suspected the depth would be missing for the Pack Generator.
I agree, it looks for packs already existing similar to the keywords you use, but it isn't generating anything from scratch
Noticed it as well haha. generated 20 packs and sometimes you get the same sample/ idea /chords
Yeah.. if you use it for more than 10 minutes it becomes obvious.. still an Interesting addition to AI shit
The eyebrows are safe 😳😂
So just a more accurate search engine instead of the bad one in arcade, noted i really bought the hype 🤦🏽♂️ probably one of the post I can relate to the most i also sometimes wonder why I’m still paying for it, and from time to time they drop something interesting like the drum and bass line, never saw that one coming 😂. I was searching for that super thanks link you deserve a drink on this one thanks man
i cancelled my subscription and these guys still charged me $100
oh... this explains why when I tested this, I was confused, because on the one hand it seemed like the samples, that were suggested to me, were too repetitive to be generated on the fly, but on the other hand they did sound kinda warbled like AI generated sounds often do. They are warbled, but not from AI resynthesis, but simply from timestretching artefacts. Man, that sucks. Some of these samples might actually be usable, but they get auto-edited in a bad way to fit to your prompt inputs
it might be decieving but ngl... i think its really cool and still useful. wouldnt have probably even known about it without this video. Arcade is something I am glad I bought into, its like Splice in a box with effects and more playability.
Oh, so that's why I get repeatedly the same Nashville_Drums_Groove samples huh
i dig this channel bruv!
Deceivement *_unlocked_*
LOL, whatever prompt I have put in or what any RUclipsr put in … it all sounds the same in the end and has nothing to do with the actual prompt. Its just BS.
So splice stacks for output 😂
I hate this. So much. if it does what is advertised, it could be a good tool to help get rid of beatblock.... but how long until people start just using the packs, dragging them around on ableton/fl and calling it a day? it has the potential to take a lot of the life out of music production as a general idea rofl.
I mean free stuff is not bad... we just need to use crative way to use them
Free stuff that wastes your time _pretending_ to be what you need is not so great though.
@@crnkmnky Free stuff that wastes your time NOT pretending to be what you need is so great though.
It's fine. Cloud hosting cost and GPU compute isn't free. I'm glad output and other companies are doing stuff like this.
Not too hype about it although I have yet to use it. However, I still refuse to cancel my Arcade subscription. I still struggle to add layered sounds to my beats consistently, so Arcade fills it out nicely. lol.
It "selected" would be a more realist word
So Output re-invented the Splice Stacks.
so weaver say in ur next video that ur eyebrows are on fleek thfuq
I don't want to use recognizable samples. I was thinking I got unique samples with this. But it was a hoax.
That is not a hoax, that is original! Use those generated sample packs to create the original music for free!
Initially I was annoyed when Supertone pulled this kind of stunt with Goyo (now Clear). But Clear ended up being even better than Goyo (which was already good) and not too expensive to upgrade to (for Goyo beta users).
I do agree it's kind of deceptive to market it as generative when it's really not, but it will be interesting to see how much it improves with some use and further training.
i died at “butts farting”
The shouldn’t have marketed it as AI bc it’s not. Would be a great feature in the Arcade vst tho
But it is, it is AI that collects your data.
Are there ANY plugins you actually like?
*Infiltrator 2*
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Thank you@@Weaverbeats
Yeah as soon as they showed this online I used it once and saw it was just a prompt to quickly search there arcade packs and conform it to what you asked. Nothing great. It’s quicker but nothing original
Generated sample packs that are not original will be used to create an original music.
Ai sounds cool. This isnt ai, and doesnt... sound cool
I think I may use that fart noise in a drum beat! 😂 BTW - I still pay for Arcade too. We’re just suckers, I guess. I rarely use it anymore, so maybe I’ll just cancel and “generate” the samples for free.
might wanna look into suno ai, i swear they straight up train their model off very popular copyrighted stuff. i was able to get songs sounding like half assed Metallica, Judas Priest, Michael Jackson, Ghostemane, Scarlxrd, Bones.. the list goes on. just tell the ai to stylize your track like something copyrighted, it will mimic it pretty damn well..
Nope, those custom (but fake) packs generated by Output's Co-Producer will be used for real music.
In Communist China, gyoza eats _your_ -dumplings- data. 🥟
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Bro, weaver got that buzz lightyear ZURG skin on ableton 😂😂
If sample pack stuff can actually solve the issue of content I’d and copyright issues then yes, I can definitely see a use of ai. But until then everyone will be having issues with this
Issues will be fixed by some time, so don't worry about it. No AI will replace you. Humans who use AI will replace you either.
Your e-mail address is part of the data collection process as they associate the sounds with particular accounts. It probably gets anonymised to humans but Output is trading content for lots of data. Shocking, I know.
Pls next time at the end say "You see me guys next time"
They could’ve said CURATE instead of generate, and this would’ve been a little less shady
I'm resubscribing because you kept your eyebrows.
I got packs with multiples of the same samples spaced out in different packs I had it "generate" for me. All were different genres etc. The similarity I found was the words "piano melody". Gave me the same ones no matter the genre, bpm, or key. They just "resynthesized" them lol. It's so lame though. Let's mislead the industry so everybody gets the same outdated samples. mmmmmmuuuuhahahaha! Now music is flooded with the same crapy, I'm sure old af, sample packs. Thanks, Unison Audio, I mean, Output.
I got an ad for arcade on this video. Thought you guys might find that funny.
Weaver, aside from the honesty having to do with generating packs from scratch, what’s stopping the development of this generative sample technology. I personally don’t like using sample packs from sample companies, but we need to embrace the future of this technology and the freedom it will give us. I am a producer and I love some things about technology but not all of it. I am using a lot of Ai in my music and making a lot of money doing so. I am also developing and using software that generates quite a lot more than packs and vocals. I could share more with you but I have certain secrets, partners and interest. Have you watched and heard what others said about Output in other videos, they were all scared. Are you aware of how many sample pack companies are online selling samples. I am not projecting I am teaching them how to use math rather than fear. Ai is going to take their jobs if they fear it like mp3 and streaming look where that got them. They are training the Ai while you guys are prompting. They are going be able to generate far more than packs.
From what you’re describing, the tool is ‘intelligently constructing’ samples by altering snd editing samples from its internal library. It may possibly be layering additional samples, all using (AI?) interpretations of the text based input. So the text controls sample selection and a series of editing and mixing tools in order to ‘CONSTRUCT’ an adaptation of samples from its internal database. It then generates a collection of these by constructing more adaptation variants.
It makes basic edits to it's own existing samples automatically such as pitch bend, compression, and other basic effects to make the sample more like what you asked for. For example it might turn a standerd piano sample into a Lofi piano sample by adding a wow and flutter effect, or it might add some Vinyl crackle. So technically it is AI and is more then just a search tool.
Oo mr.Hate is here
Practices like this are going to make regulations around how AI is described in products. Right now we’re in the era of if we can get away with it let’s go for it.
Good
Now i can save my cpu bu just going their website generate what i want
Yeah, generated sample packs will save your time, even that one plug-in will save your CPU.
I didn’t believe it generates the sample from scratch
Fuck Output, biggest disappointment is you not shaving eyebrows. It was close man. 😅
I think you’re onto something big with those fart samples! Just needs a tweak or two and then before you know it…Beatport top 10 baby!
AI took er jerb
Durka der!!
No, people using AI took YOUR job!
I have enough samples that i don't use already, thanks. Its a fancy aearch engine, so I'm finding it hard to care. So sick of this "AI" shit.
"They" were absolutely trying to make it sound crazier than it is. I finally tried it and was like "well, this is just Arcade without the interface." It generates nothing. It repeats the same "samples" over and over again. Is it "royalty free"? As much as any "sample pack." But it's not giving us anything that thousands of people aren't also getting. RUclipsrs we're gassing this up like it was something else for sure.
Saw this under license and ownership for co-producer…. The legal rights to all Samples generated by Co-Producer are owned by Output. How would this affect us when using this?
I NEVER thought they were generating the samples themselves. Especially after using it, that's fucking obvious. Am I the only one who understood from the jump? Read the email? Etc?
They make Arcade. THEY HAVE 1000s of SAMPLES ALREADY. They are generating a PACK. Also Splice literally just came out with the same thing, so why would Arcade be different?
This sounds very similiar to Jamahook except that you prompt it with words instead of giving it a an actual sample as the prompt.
Weaver unfortunately i think you may be wrong here. I use arcade quite a lot and I know for a fact if those sounds were already in there it would have generated the art and everything because it would be under something like drip or toys etc. that section of arcade literally is for your own imported samples
atleast you dont gotta get arcade :)
that sample result was terrible lol
Yeah it was not great
@@Weaverbeats Sorry, using those not-so-great generated-but-fake sample packs can create a real, original music. You were having a hard time when humans using AI can replace humans, not AI directly replace humans.
Massive generator here
I knew it! it's just meta tagging and pulling from a library.
Exactly and generates some of the worst samples no matter what u type in
pulling from their own arcade library at that
Arcade library is used by a large percentage of industry producers and the search options within Arcade not that great. Who cares
sooo a search engine...
This is literally the exact same thing as Splice Stacks, repackaged and far less useful, not that splice stacks is all that useful lol
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I got the same bassline twice in three attempts. The second was just pitched down to the key specified in the prompt. Which means this is not generative AI. It's just a simple algorithm. And it is indeed deceiving.
still beyond helpful for songstarters
They should say that then. "Not generative AI but still beyond helpful for songstarters". @@milesholt3655
So how much do you pay for the 💨 sound 😂
output has always been shady af
Generative music is music created by a system of rules designed to arrive at a somewhat specified output, that ranges from very loose in terms of the system of rules to very strict. It is usually mathematically derived. The means of deriving this can be in the form of modules; sequencers, sample and hold generators, logic devices, LFOs, random sources etc, in modular systems, or through coding that is either transparent to the user like Csound, Max, Puredata, or opaque, through systems of prompts or a gui designed to arrive at a structure through that coding. This system barely satifies that criteria, since it just recombines alreading existing music rather than creating things from the ground up. It's flim flam marketing speak that relies on people's general ignorance of not just how these processes work, but essentially what they are. It's just a crude means of making a profit by jumping on the latest bandwagon with the minmum of work. Lame.
ai guys using people’s ignorance of ai to make fake ai to not have to make a real ai is hilarious omg
Another way to make money:))
Only one way to find out!
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Yeah Weaver........when I did my review I realized that "your prompts" don't sound as good as the "randomized" that they generate for you. It yeah they are loops from Arcade. Not sure why but was this because of the beta and the training of the AI???? We will see. Dope vid as usual! Blessings! 💯
Blessings to you too.
Because the loops sound familiar than from the loops from Output's Arcade.
My issue with it is, the packs it compiled for me were shit: boring, generic submusical bollocks. I can't see any reason why anyone who's actually musical could ever need this because everything it produces that I've heard so far sounds lifeless and meaningless. Music is an extension of language. It's human communication. Machine generated soundpiss like this thing "generates" just muddies up the process of actual music making because it means nothing.
Less content + better quality = 100k subs.
I don't understand "your data being used to train AI" if you're only giving away your email adress and prompts? But I was a bit surprised that the "generated" samples originated in Arcades arsenal.
You are up/down voting what they present you, which is in turn training their AI for free. Basically you are doing work for them for free. I don't particularly care that much about it, but I'm sure there are people that do.
@@Weaverbeats Ah ok, I missed that voting thing in the video. Thanks for clearing up.
As well as the up and down voting, they are going to be able to analyse the prompts, and make sure it's optimised for the things people most commonly prompt for and also use it to help fill any gaps in their sample library.
Deceptive, yes. Do I care? No.
Why is this literally the only music production channel who calls stuff out for what it is??? Thanks for just being honest, there are countless videos praising output & Arcade and I think it's rubbish
I’m a little conflicted about Output; their instruments look interesting (in particular Substance and Signal) but I hate the NI/Arcade sample library business model.
Also, yes to the montage idea!
You don’t even know what you talkt about but you complain anyway😂 FYI you can load their library’s into the free Kontakt player simple as that
@@phelper4554 That…. was not my point. At all. How much they paying you to Stan for them?
Shameful that people can’t make music without sample packs these days
sample packs just extend and enhance the quality of music that is possible by letting already good artists use great sounds to enhance their overall ideas. sure, they can be abused, or used as a tool. like many things.
@@bugglebegger143 if you can’t write or play your own music, you aren’t a musician. I’m cool with using creative sampling, but people these days are just lazy.
@@xkidmidnightxPopular music typically requires skill on at least three different instruments (or virtual representations of instrumental paradigms). 🎸🎹🥁🎙️
I won't begrudge anyone for getting assistance with *_some_* elements. I would be further in my musical journey if I took advantage of sample packs (at least for inspiration), and quit trying to stretch my finger-drumming beyond its capacity.
That said, I would definitely feel like an imposter if I was releasing music with just loops that were intentionally designed to fit together.
@@crnkmnky I don’t really feel like the kind of drums that are present in modern electronic music require a lot of skill to program. It’s not like the chords or melodies are complex either. You don’t have to play them live so it makes it even easier. I can play guitar, banjo, bass, dulcimer, piano and am decent at the drums. I don’t see why people need so many crutches to make derivative edm junk. The majority of the effort in that kind of music is sound design and production, not the actual musicianship.
Why? If the music is good and original, who gives a fuck? Everyone _can_ make music without sample packs, but many choose not to because samples are awesome. They give you access to sounds you wouldn't have access to otherwise. I'll likely never own a Roland TR-909, but thanks to samples I still get to use 909 sounds in almost every track I make. I don't know how to play most instruments (just guitar and keys), couldn't afford to buy a massive instrument collection even if I did, and can't afford to hire a bunch of professional musicians to play in my tracks... but with samples and sample-based virtual instruments I can still carry out my creative vision despite all that. It might sound better if I were able to record all those parts in a with studio, sure, but thats simply not accessible to me and most other people. The idea that using samples is shameful is just elitist nonsense.
Definitely misleading
Samples not unique? Sounds like my beats I’m in for 1!
this is a scam. you're being too nice.
I mean it's free. You're not being scammed. You're just being lied to lol.
Unison is a scam. This is free, albeit slightly misleading.
No it's not it's not but they should make it clear that the AI is only searching and automatically time stretching existing audio from there library's.
@@dooshnukem32Unison is not a scam. They don’t run from a server giving you samples, you get what you pay for with their plugins. Unison software is legitimately the most powerful Ai vsts I have at use in my studio.
Scam? You get loads of free high quality samples. What part is scam?
This is what I suspected and actually makes this more valuable because I want actual samples not AI generated stuff.
It doesn't seem like Output is sending their best samples into these kits. Just a lot of "bad hombres." Actually, the same bad hombre over and over…
@@crnkmnky Well I have successfully turned crap samples into something dope, infact I like the challenge. From what I have heard so far comming from it I could could definitely use alot of it.
Both Arcade and Co-Producer offer high-quality sounds. Arcade gives you more control over the sound design, while Co-Producer focuses on generating fresh ideas.
@@cyroxasph Arcade is dope however I don't do subscriptions, and Co producer, I dont remember much about it. For samples latly I'm feeling Cymatics, there stuff is good, but I do have plenty of My own stuff to use.
You all seem so super scared of this Ai technology genuinely generating the packs. Why oh why do you guys hate on this inevitable change of technology. Check back next week and kaboom its a multitude not just one company that’s genuinely generating packs. Hating on streaming and mp3 s was a lot of wasted fear and hate, energy wasted.
Proving that it doesn't generate the samples doesn't equal fear. You're projecting your opinion of other people here 🤡
@@WeaverbeatsWeaver I don’t like using sample packs from sample companies, we need to embrace the future of this technology and the freedom it will give us. I am using a lot of Ai in my music and making a lot of money doing so. I am also developing and using software that generates quite a lot more than packs and vocals. I could share more with you but I have certain secrets, partners and interest. Weaver have you watched and heard what others said about it. Are you aware of how many sample pack companies are online selling samples. I am not projecting I am teaching them how to use math rather than fear. Ai is going to take their jobs if they fear it like mp3 and streaming look where that got them. They are training the Ai while you guys are prompting. They are going be able to generate far more than packs.
Really? Then compare what they sound like.
no ai makes things from scratch... it generated the pack. I think you're splitting hairs.
Deceptive? It literally says, "Pack Generator is a sophisticated sample pack generator that blends generative AI with authentic audio samples created by real musicians". Not being snarky at all, I just don't see the deception. 🤔
first comment of the Year?
Beat me to it 😂