J Hamlin Thanks, I find it easier to work on our own vehicles and research, then pay someone to figure it out. I like learning and knowing everything about my truck.
The fail safe way to check if you need the ECGS bearing is to put it in 4WD, if the popping goes away then you need to order the ECGS bushing. If the popping continues in 4WD and 2WD the needle bearing isn't your problem. I see this on the Tacoma forums every day
It's those stock Toyota needle bearings where the CV's slide into the axle it's just a poor design. When there is more angle on the CV it adds load to that bearing and breaks the bearing case. BTW they break on stock trucks that get used offroad so as far as the lift goes that bearing doesn't care what brand lift you have that angle is always the same. The diff drop will help for the street but once you start cycling the suspension offroad it will damage the bearing again, the diff drop can also cause other problems as well like too much CV axle plunge that can damage the inner CV joint and now you just changed the angle of the input yoke. Basically the diff drop is a band aid you will need to pull that bearing out and install the aftermarket bushing those wont break. Nice truck, once you get that sorted it will be trouble free.
Do I only need one bushing for the driver side or should I also have bought one for the passenger as well I get that noise when I turn the wheel all the way one way or the other
I'm new to this channel, but i respect that they are trying to figure out the issues them selves and learning as they go and using shop repair as their, almost like, last resort. It shows they want to put the time into their own vehicles and learn, instead of tossing money to someone to do it for them. Really enjoy the content and you guys have actually prompted me to purchase a taco! should be coming in the near future! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the support! Honestly it was the shop who couldn't even mount the wheels on my truck properly and sold me the wrong style of lug nuts. DIY is always the way to go, because I'll learn everything!
A lot of captain obvious and Monday morning quarterbacks making comments. The Bros will eventually find a solution. He's. Simply trying to engage in a productive conversation with viewers. But you know that's a tough deal with key board warriors. What the Bros are going through is the natural progression in which any individual(s) takes in becoming good at something. This episode is the first, on this channel, too really catch my attention. Although not yet resolved. It's the journey, trials, and errors that makes this episode good. I'm no expert by any means. But with the overlanding and modifying my friends and I have done. The Bros are on their way to bigger better mods and adventures. I'm for one will be tuning in.
@@michaeldaly4133 definitely agree. I've heard almost every 3rd gen that gets lifted (even some stock) end up needing this done. Better to do it at the same time. Especially if a shop is doing the install.
It's weird because my 2nd gen with a 3inch lift had zero issues and I didn't need to do the needle bearing. What would be different with the 3rd gens, do you know?
Agree that it’s probably the needle bearing. Toyota actually had a recall or a tsb on it. Not every vehicle experiences the issue, but my 2nd Gen definitely did. Put it in 4WD and see if it goes away. Quickest way to diagnose the needle bearing
Sang Tran I have a 2018 with three inch OME kit and I have a subtle vibrations upon deceleration at around 20 mph but I don't have that grinding sound....yet. thoughts?
@@thumperjr100 Do you have a 4x4? If so engage it and if the vibration is gone, its the needle bearing. If not, it very well could be especially on a 3in lift. It could also be from the leaf pack angle in which, you may want to experiment with different shims.
@@SangTran-zn7lq yes, I do have the 4x4 off road. I have engaged 4x4 and have the same issue. I thought it was the transmission, but still occurs even in neutral. I think you may be right with shim placement. Could it be a retorquing of suspension issue?
@@thumperjr100 To be honest with you, i havent retorque any of my u bolts or suspension components for the past 5k since adding the lift. lol I should tho. Im very fortunate to not have any vibrations or issues after the lift.
Maybe they pins bearing I done damaged already. I just done with my 2”” front lift on my Taco I also hear and feels mild vibration from the front end very disappointing. Will try the diff drop and put spacer’s for drive shaft also. Hope that will work
All you need is ECGS 8” bearing that eliminates the stupid stock needle bearing. Teeth inside the bearing has chipped away. I replaced mine the moment I did my lift. I have had no issues.
Angles on the cv axles doesnt hurt them. they can handle that. If ur clunking like that it can be very well the bushing inside the diff going bad or you may or may not have a bad CV axle...another thing you can try n do is taking ur lift kit off and seeing how the noise is afterwards, it may be a pain in the butt but id sooner look at that before throwing money at everything else. If the noise is still there, get it on a lift and start getting a closer look at the noise while its rotating.
Working under a vehicle like that I would highly recommend safety glasses . Rust in your eye bonds instantly to your eye which will lead to a very uncomfortably eye surgery . Trust me I had it happen to me
I hit up Toyota today, they are telling me that even replacing that bearing won’t help. It the angle of the cv axle! I’m up in arms trying to figure out this madness!
So my issue turned out to be a loose lug nut, I was sold the wrong ones. Once I replaced those, the noise went away. For the UCA's, it could be the joint, maybe not being greesed enough, that's all I can think of.
I don’t think this is your problem. But! When I lifted my 2010 with 3 inch lift. About a 750 miles later It started doing a binding sound in the axle also. So I took everything apart and found my axle (only 30k miles old at the time) had got bound up and was trash. Dropped the diff like you did put 2 new axles in and I’m at 95k miles now and haven’t had a problem out of the truck since then 👍🏼👍🏼
That's a bummer man. I'd get that bushing upgrade to needle nose bearing for drivers side front diff and see if it helps. 60 bucks for a part. Get a breaker bar too so you dont ruin your ratchet although good idea using the bike stand bar. We did things like that at the shop. Good luck on the fix keep us updated. I'd go with that approach first. Maybe have someone take a look that knows yotas really well.
Mr.G Disabled2Able I've been looking in to that. It's weird my 2nd gen with a 3inch lift didn't have that problem so I'll keep seeing what I need to do.
You need to replace the needle bearing the ECGS titanium sleeve. Every Taco has this problem when lifted..regardless of lift height. Even a 2” lift will create the noise due to the diff angle against the needle bearing. Good luck
Turns out it was loose lug nuts! The shop that did the tire mount/balance sold me lug nuts that were conical and not acorn. So they came loose a bit. So all good after I got proper lug nuts.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed not sure what mine is then . I have the proper lug nuts and the diff drop . Mine does it once in a while but not as im driving straight its more when im backing out of my driveway and im turning the wheel or it will do it after i back out and i put it in drive
I do not have a Tacoma ... but I do have an 18 runner ... with the revtek 3in front and 2in rear ... it DID come with the diff drop ... I have now put nearly 5k miles on it within 2 months with zero issue. My guess is you should have installed the diff drop from the get go ... and my other guess is that the CV is prolly damaged now ... simply lowering the diff now will not fix something that has already pre-maturely worn. Sorry bro, on one side great looking truck, on the other side ... if you did do the research as many have mentioned ... most of it specifically states that 3in pushing it to say it mildly ... I would have incorporated all the tricks to mitigate any issues ... as many have said 3in is borderline/absolute maximum these rigs can take ... I risked it ... but I also bought the kit that employed every trick I could read about. It’s pre-mature wear plain and simple ... can’t reverse it ... time for some new parts
Justin Geer On my 07 tacoma with a 3 inch revtek lift I had the diff drop day one and zero issues.. alot of people said it wasn't necessary on the 3rd gens so I decided to listen to that, so we'll see what's needed next, I hope I'm good now with it.
Mah dude I’ve got a 2014 Taco with a 3 inch lift and it makes a lot of noises that I didn’t even know that existed... but it still gets the job done. Point being, it’s okay to have a little yodel from the yota😂😂
Bro good thing you didn’t waste your money with the needle bearing. Nowadays dudes out there blame everything on the needle bearing. I saw that it was only a wheel nut, its always a great feeling when you think a noise is going to be a huge expense and ends up being nothing
I know right! I knew it wasn't that, because I had that problem on my second gen tacoma with a 6'' lift, and it's really not that common on a 3''. That's why I always like doing things myself, because the shop I had some help with on the mount/balance sold me the wrong lugs! But 35k miles later, everything has been great!
So what was the issue ??at the end of the video you still didnt know...are you two saying yhe issue in the video waa lug nutts? Axle nut? I'm thinking of doing a small lift so id really like to know
Check your body mount bushing. I had the same issue as soon as I bought my 2020 Tacoma 4x4... exact same popping sound. Almost sounds like a compressing spring. Three Toyota mechanics couldn't figure it out.. one call to a Toyota engineer and he sorted it out in 10 minutes, replaced the part and no more popping/rubbing noise.
This was actually a loose lug nut, craziest thing, I've never had an issue like that, but the shop sold me the wrong ones, after I replaced them, haven't had any issues.
I'm not sure what those are, usually everything would be almost perfectly straight or very close, with this lift, nothing was really changed too much out of those original alignments. The Ujoints have some forgiveness to them so a moderate lift like this doesn't change much. Hope that answers your question.
Third Gen Tacomas are simply not fit for low budget lift. Mine is a '23, had to reverse a 2" lift because all the known noises vibrations and issues. As comparison my wife drives a lifted 24' Frontier (6" inches) and my off road truck is a 2005 Nissan Titan with 4" lift never had any single issues with both Nissan and the Titan we do heavy mud/off roading. Thats the crazy reason why you see some companies developing portal axles to the third gen tacomas.
So this ended up being a loose lug nut…perfectly fine lift and I had it on the truck over 20K miles with zero issues. OME is an extremely reputable brand…I’ll be running this same kit on my 24 Tacoma as well..
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I wish you luck and am glad you found just a minor issue . Im gonna keep mine with stock angles and height, after reversed the lift as I said until better solutions for the cv and etc pops up! Thanks for the video
@@piraltas the diff drop is the best solution. I had a 3” on my 2nd gen as well with the diff drop and had that for 9 years no issues! Maybe you had an issue with that specific kit.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed indeed diff drop is an alternative , I live in FL and rock crawling is not our main off road use so lifting with the diff drop would help mudding for sure. Kits are improving nowadays
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I know ppl on here are saying that that it might be your cv axle bushings but I don't think so if you did your 5.29 gears not too long ago.. Igot my 5.29 gears from ECG's a while back and they installed a clamshall cv axle bushing with my gears, did you changed that as well?
Check the 4wd actuater for the driver side front. If the splines are not aligning up or engaging all the way you will get a noise that sounds like crushed ice.
You need aftermarket upper control arms to correct your camber/caster. Also what coils did you use on the front? If you're running coils that are too heavy without having a winch/bumper you will have too much lift. I see your CV fins rubbing like crazy and that's bad.
Try putting in a brand new CV JOINT you probably messed that one up clubbing the truck in the snow.........with the drastic angle it was on , due to changing the geometry.........do not be surprised if the other side is due to follow suit.
ECGS clamshell Google it. Bud and I would replace befor it brakes all in to little pieces and then youbwill jave to take your whole front diff apart to get all the metal out
That wasn’t it lol, I did that on my last Tacoma with a 6” lift. Still using the original in this truck. It was a loose lug nut lol, I haven’t replaced or needed too for the bearing.
East coast gear supply makes a bushing that replaces the needle bearing on the driver side with tighter tolerances to fix any vibrations or humming . Factory needle bearings have to much play and give problems when you lift Tacoma’s .
@@BrosFOURRSpeed For the average user with very light off roading, probably nothing. For off roaders who needs clearance along with skids, you sacrifice ground clearance and there are a few horror stories on TW where it caused a crap load of damage by getting hanged up. Probably not an issue for you if don't intend on wheeling hard.
If the camera footage period is little longer I would have figure it out but the sound for sure is a Bering coming from the black middle axel arm which has two rubber boots, I think something is cracked in there... needs to observe and listen carefully ...you may switch that axel from the left to the right side under passenger seat and see if the noise goes, that’s one way to check what’s going on...
I also have a Tacoma and have researched this problem, it’s a Toyota brake problem, it has been complained about since the 2nd gens and has yet to be fixed
The needle bearing on the tacos are known to fail pretty early on some vehicles its just luck of the draw. I would take the vehicle in for warranty work to be honest if its still under warranty. I know some dealerships don't void the warranty if you stay under three inches on a lift but like I said it just depends on your dealership.
Did you notice this right away post lift or was this when your were approaching 500 miles? I noticed mine right away but it is more like a vibration coming under the gas pedal. I have to bring back to the place that did my lift.
Bros FOURR Speed interesting how some people don’t have this problem at all and some do. I look forward to hearing what you come up with a solution I’m bringing mine back to the place that did my lift on Thursday and I’m hoping for good news but it is hard to feel optimistic if you have gone through the threads on Tacoma world.
Ryan Murphy If you start reading all those problems it's hard to stay positive that it's nothing crazy, everywhere just starts saying every part could go. Hope yours is easy to fix, but I'll definitely be updating on it soon.
Bros FOURR Speed it would be wise to run them maybe not now but in long run will cause problems. Like busting cv axles. I already did...throwing all the angles off won’t cause issues right away but will later down the line..
Yeah! Figured out it was a loose lug nut lol, the shop sold me the wrong ones so once I got the correct ones, I haven't had any issues since this video!
Needle bearing .... Just like everyone else with a lifted Tacoma. The fact that it's only on one side confirms it, since needle bearing is only on one side of the differential. Dropping the diff kind of defeats the purpose of lifting your truck as you're losing your ground clearance. If you only have 1 or 2 inch lift the difference in CV angle shouldn't make a huge difference, except perhaps for the CV boots wearing out faster. The big problem is the way the CV axles are attached to the differential. On one side you have a ball bearing, which isn't bothered At All by the additional angle on the CV, the other side as a needle bearing, which as you could imagine would have more of a problem with increased CV angle. There are replacement bearings for it that are manufactured by East Coast Gear Supply. You can install it yourself, their videos on the internet on how to do it.
It’s definitely the cv in your gopro footage it looks like a roller bearing is out you can see the wobble in the shaft It’s a cheap easy replacement but I wouldn’t stay stock on it they make a ton of after market heavy duty cv shafts more money but they will handle a lot more load and not care about the angle of the cv all these guys that rag should read more drop spacers aren’t necessary if you have the right components to fit your travel those spacers don’t do much at max travel and that tire goes from free spin to load stock shafts weren’t intended to handle that with increased angle range but ya bro the trucks legit and as most motor enthusiasts you should know with any vehicle you plan to make your own your never done till you sell it and that’s a fact but good luck bro I look forward to the outcome
@@AshtonRegier My brother in-law and I both have lifted Tacos. If you want to verify its the needle bearing (ECGS fix) check to see if the clanking goes away in 4WD.
look at the CV joint next to the diff... look at the boot... doesnt it look a bit odd? i think your frount driver CV joint is broken... you might need to look at it...... start by grabbing it and giving it a good tug in many different directions... if there is any play, thats your problem...
Pretty sure most of the comments are correct. Needle bearing on the driver side. It is the inside closest to the front diff. The reason the noise did not completely go away is bcuz the damage is already done.
I don't see you having any problems. The only think I would mention is the driveshaft angle, but that would be the same as on mine truck and I don't have any issues, but some people add the carrier bearing drop kit (right in the middle of the driveshaft) just to help with the angle some, but you should be good! Will that be your first mod?
@@BrosFOURRSpeed thanks man!! Yes it will be my first mod.. what do you think about front spacers and rear blocks?? 3/2" ready lift... i don't do off roading thats why i have a 2 wheel drive, i just love the look of a lifted tacoma with big tires.
@@PabloRodriguez-rj9yk I had a kit similar on my second gen, the only thing, it was a bit stiff on the front coils adding the spacer since it "bottoms" out the shock, I went with new coils for my 3rd gen, but that cost a lot more. I wouldn't go any higher than that with blocks.
Actually it was a loose lug nut! After putting on the right ones, I've had zero issues and haven't replaced anything! Crazy how that small of a piece can do that.
Luckily for me it was a loose lug nut, I was given the wrong ones for the wheels I have. Hopefully it's an easy fix for you too. After I put the right ones one, I haven't had anything else happen.
Nope! This turned out to be a loose lug nut, after getting the correct ones, I've had zero issues. I knew it wasn't the needle bearing because I went down that road on my previous tacoma with a 6'' lift. A 3'' generally won't cause that to need replacing. So after the new lugs, it's been good!
@@yezkaholic I still have it on! I've heard you don't need it either, but it was $40 so no a lot and it seems to drive great. Seemed fine before but I just left it.
I have a 17 TRD off-road Tacoma and throughout my research I went with a BDS 6 inch lift with coil overs. I did have a shop do the work for it because there was some cutting involved with dropping the front diff far enough. I have not had any issues so far with over 5000 miles and some tough off-road use over 700 miles of it from rock, to sand, dirt you name it. All this said I did not get the noise you are experiencing even others said I would get that noise. I would do some research on BDS 6in lift to see what is different between the lifts maybe there is something they did that you have not to eliminate the problem hope this helps
had same issue with my tacoma, go around again and retighten all the bolts especially ones on control arms and cam bolts. After I did mine it all went away..
I got screwed on a revtek kit years ago. Went through 3cv boot sets with an installed revtek by les schwab. Eventually after hundreds of dollars they checked for the spacer and it was never installed with lift. 🤯
Once you find out exactly what the problem is can you please post of what happened. I’m really curious. Because I want to lick my truck but I don’t want any issues. So just so I’ll know what not to do
I plan on purchasing a 2019 Tacoma TD Sport, I want a 3 inch lift kit, but I will have the dealer install it, I know it's money consuming but at least it is warranted and done right. Don't purchase a cheap lift kit.
I have a 2015 Tacoma and my previous 2009 4runner never needed a diff drop before that I owned for 6 yrs. I would never do this since it reduces ground clearance and is not necessary.
That's nothing I would worry about. I have 22k miles on my truck now with zero issues, and I put 80k on my last tacoma with a 3'' lift with the same drop kit.
I had the same popping issue on my 2010 Tacoma that’s on a lift and at around 170000 miles I had to have bearings replaced and other front end work done.
@@user-ot9vo3pm1h Initially I thought it was something stuck somewhere like a rock....but after awhile I found out it was a loose lug nut, and that was after the shop installed everything so I should've double checked on that.
Changing the angle of your axle won’t automatically fix your ‘bad’ axle. Not sure why you think this. A bad axle is a bad axle even if you do the diff drop. Many people have installed the fix needle bearing. I have a 2015 Tacoma with no issues. But if I have any issues I will be installing this myself. eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-8536125-toyota-8-clamshell-bushing-eliminates-needle-bearing.html
This turned out to be an issue with a lug. I had a 2nd gen as well with a 3'' lift for 8 years with zero issues and after about 9k miles on this truck, zero issues!
Great video man!!! I don't know what could be wrong, maybe you should have a professional look at it. I love your Toyota Tacoma!!! I can't wait for y'all next video.
Those spacers are a waisted. It's great for the CV axles, but that's why you get upgraded spindles and UCA's. And theres a reason, why the truck has control arms, and no solid/straight axles. Also why the axles has a geometry to move around because they're made to do that and make those movements.
You don't need this with the lift. Of all things it ended up being a loose lug nut, turns out they sold me the wrong ones. But I still have it and everything has been smooth since then.
It’s very unfortunate with the truck being so new. I’m very surprised that my truck went so long without dropping diff. I do believe the folks that told you to drop it along with the lift are correct. The bearing sounds like it’s shot especially since you’ve been off roading
Luckily it was just a loose lug nut of all things! The shop sold me the wrong ones so they didn't work right with my wheels, so I haven't had any issues with the truck after getting the new ones.
you need a supercharger kit. the whine from the kit will fix the problem
Rowboyto Haha, that would be a cool mod!
I would second this suggestion.
Is the boot clamp closest to th
e tire rubbing on anything as it rotates behind just out of sight of the camera?
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You guys are wrenching and learning. That something most your age won't even try. Keep it up. You'll get it figured out.
J Hamlin Thanks, I find it easier to work on our own vehicles and research, then pay someone to figure it out. I like learning and knowing everything about my truck.
Agreed
My son (24y/old) won't even change a car's battery; nor watch me do it 🔧
@@missingremote4388 I have my 17 year old daughter participate in all maintenance and or repairs on our jeeps.
Lucky 🔟🔟🔟🔟🔟
The fail safe way to check if you need the ECGS bearing is to put it in 4WD, if the popping goes away then you need to order the ECGS bushing. If the popping continues in 4WD and 2WD the needle bearing isn't your problem. I see this on the Tacoma forums every day
True but that bearing is s*** and a bad idea, and will be a problem at some point if your CV angle is not horizontal. Might as well do it.
I can't find the answer to this so imma ask you lol will a 1.5 inch lift give any diff problems?
Imo you could get the vibe in 4wd too. Cv rotates either way. Dif is just steadying it a little when engaged
It's those stock Toyota needle bearings where the CV's slide into the axle it's just a poor design. When there is more angle on the CV it adds load to that bearing and breaks the bearing case. BTW they break on stock trucks that get used offroad so as far as the lift goes that bearing doesn't care what brand lift you have that angle is always the same. The diff drop will help for the street but once you start cycling the suspension offroad it will damage the bearing again, the diff drop can also cause other problems as well like too much CV axle plunge that can damage the inner CV joint and now you just changed the angle of the input yoke. Basically the diff drop is a band aid you will need to pull that bearing out and install the aftermarket bushing those wont break. Nice truck, once you get that sorted it will be trouble free.
Eastcoast bearing supply sells the replacement for the needle bearing to a solid bushing
Do I only need one bushing for the driver side or should I also have bought one for the passenger as well I get that noise when I turn the wheel all the way one way or the other
It’s only the driver side
I purchased mine last week from east coast and will install soon
I'm new to this channel, but i respect that they are trying to figure out the issues them selves and learning as they go and using shop repair as their, almost like, last resort. It shows they want to put the time into their own vehicles and learn, instead of tossing money to someone to do it for them. Really enjoy the content and you guys have actually prompted me to purchase a taco! should be coming in the near future! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the support! Honestly it was the shop who couldn't even mount the wheels on my truck properly and sold me the wrong style of lug nuts. DIY is always the way to go, because I'll learn everything!
A lot of captain obvious and Monday morning quarterbacks making comments. The Bros will eventually find a solution. He's. Simply trying to engage in a productive conversation with viewers. But you know that's a tough deal with key board warriors.
What the Bros are going through is the natural progression in which any individual(s) takes in becoming good at something. This episode is the first, on this channel, too really catch my attention. Although not yet resolved. It's the journey, trials, and errors that makes this episode good.
I'm no expert by any means. But with the overlanding and modifying my friends and I have done. The Bros are on their way to bigger better mods and adventures. I'm for one will be tuning in.
Thanks for the comment and the support!
Needle Bearing from ECGS. . . When I did my lift I had that installed at the same time.
Kevin G definitely the needle bearing. ECGS kit is the way to go!
@@michaeldaly4133 definitely agree. I've heard almost every 3rd gen that gets lifted (even some stock) end up needing this done. Better to do it at the same time. Especially if a shop is doing the install.
It's weird because my 2nd gen with a 3inch lift had zero issues and I didn't need to do the needle bearing. What would be different with the 3rd gens, do you know?
Bingo! I was bummed for him when he pulled that diff drop out. Waste of time.
Agree that it’s probably the needle bearing. Toyota actually had a recall or a tsb on it. Not every vehicle experiences the issue, but my 2nd Gen definitely did. Put it in 4WD and see if it goes away. Quickest way to diagnose the needle bearing
Do you feel a slight vibration at low speeds? I'm willing to bet its the needle bearing. Get the ECGS bushing.
Sang Tran I have a 2018 with three inch OME kit and I have a subtle vibrations upon deceleration at around 20 mph but I don't have that grinding sound....yet. thoughts?
@@thumperjr100 Do you have a 4x4? If so engage it and if the vibration is gone, its the needle bearing. If not, it very well could be especially on a 3in lift. It could also be from the leaf pack angle in which, you may want to experiment with different shims.
@@SangTran-zn7lq yes, I do have the 4x4 off road. I have engaged 4x4 and have the same issue. I thought it was the transmission, but still occurs even in neutral. I think you may be right with shim placement. Could it be a retorquing of suspension issue?
@@thumperjr100 To be honest with you, i havent retorque any of my u bolts or suspension components for the past 5k since adding the lift. lol I should tho. Im very fortunate to not have any vibrations or issues after the lift.
Needle Bearing ecgs bushing is what you need
Maybe they pins bearing I done damaged already. I just done with my 2”” front lift on my Taco I also hear and feels mild vibration from the front end very disappointing. Will try the diff drop and put spacer’s for drive shaft also. Hope that will work
Turns out it was loose wheel lugs. Shop sold me the wrong ones that didn't seat correctly in the wheels
All you need is ECGS 8” bearing that eliminates the stupid stock needle bearing. Teeth inside the bearing has chipped away. I replaced mine the moment I did my lift. I have had no issues.
Another test put it in 4wd ....if it goes away it means your needle bearing is done. ECGS is your only option.
Most likely the needle berings in the front diff. ECGS sells a bushing that replaces the needle bering.
Yup. Needle bearings
Angles on the cv axles doesnt hurt them. they can handle that. If ur clunking like that it can be very well the bushing inside the diff going bad or you may or may not have a bad CV axle...another thing you can try n do is taking ur lift kit off and seeing how the noise is afterwards, it may be a pain in the butt but id sooner look at that before throwing money at everything else. If the noise is still there, get it on a lift and start getting a closer look at the noise while its rotating.
I always say one mod leads to another.
Working under a vehicle like that I would highly recommend safety glasses . Rust in your eye bonds instantly to your eye which will lead to a very uncomfortably eye surgery . Trust me I had it happen to me
Super glue rust
ECGS needle bearing. Shoulda been part of your lift install.
I hit up Toyota today, they are telling me that even replacing that bearing won’t help. It the angle of the cv axle! I’m up in arms trying to figure out this madness!
@@joshuahedgecock2303 dont listen to toyota. It’s a quick and easy instal. Do it at home, it helped me with my truck.
@@EricBuenoo I’m gonna order the bearing puller and the bearing and get to it! Thank you
I have the same spc upper control arms and I think the make noise now and then it's a pop like noise not very loud just a pop every now and then.
So my issue turned out to be a loose lug nut, I was sold the wrong ones. Once I replaced those, the noise went away. For the UCA's, it could be the joint, maybe not being greesed enough, that's all I can think of.
Where did you get the spacers and bolts for the front of the transfer case guard? Looking for the same thing
I bought the differential drop kit from Revtek, I showed that in the video, but didn't say the company. 4:00
I really don't know but heard that you need to replace the needle bearing in the front with a bushing
I don’t think this is your problem. But! When I lifted my 2010 with 3 inch lift. About a 750 miles later It started doing a binding sound in the axle also. So I took everything apart and found my axle (only 30k miles old at the time) had got bound up and was trash. Dropped the diff like you did put 2 new axles in and I’m at 95k miles now and haven’t had a problem out of the truck since then 👍🏼👍🏼
Using a cheater bar is how I got myself a trip to urgent care from work lol I bought a 30" breaker bar after.
That's a bummer man. I'd get that bushing upgrade to needle nose bearing for drivers side front diff and see if it helps. 60 bucks for a part. Get a breaker bar too so you dont ruin your ratchet although good idea using the bike stand bar. We did things like that at the shop. Good luck on the fix keep us updated. I'd go with that approach first. Maybe have someone take a look that knows yotas really well.
Mr.G Disabled2Able I've been looking in to that. It's weird my 2nd gen with a 3inch lift didn't have that problem so I'll keep seeing what I need to do.
You need to replace the needle bearing the ECGS titanium sleeve. Every Taco has this problem when lifted..regardless of lift height. Even a 2” lift will create the noise due to the diff angle against the needle bearing. Good luck
Did you find and fix this issue i have something very similar if not the same . Is it the ECGS Bushing ?
Turns out it was loose lug nuts! The shop that did the tire mount/balance sold me lug nuts that were conical and not acorn. So they came loose a bit. So all good after I got proper lug nuts.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed not sure what mine is then . I have the proper lug nuts and the diff drop . Mine does it once in a while but not as im driving straight its more when im backing out of my driveway and im turning the wheel or it will do it after i back out and i put it in drive
I do not have a Tacoma ... but I do have an 18 runner ... with the revtek 3in front and 2in rear ... it DID come with the diff drop ... I have now put nearly 5k miles on it within 2 months with zero issue.
My guess is you should have installed the diff drop from the get go ... and my other guess is that the CV is prolly damaged now ... simply lowering the diff now will not fix something that has already pre-maturely worn.
Sorry bro, on one side great looking truck, on the other side ... if you did do the research as many have mentioned ... most of it specifically states that 3in pushing it to say it mildly ... I would have incorporated all the tricks to mitigate any issues ... as many have said 3in is borderline/absolute maximum these rigs can take ...
I risked it ... but I also bought the kit that employed every trick I could read about.
It’s pre-mature wear plain and simple ... can’t reverse it ... time for some new parts
Justin Geer On my 07 tacoma with a 3 inch revtek lift I had the diff drop day one and zero issues.. alot of people said it wasn't necessary on the 3rd gens so I decided to listen to that, so we'll see what's needed next, I hope I'm good now with it.
Mah dude I’ve got a 2014 Taco with a 3 inch lift and it makes a lot of noises that I didn’t even know that existed... but it still gets the job done. Point being, it’s okay to have a little yodel from the yota😂😂
Bro good thing you didn’t waste your money with the needle bearing. Nowadays dudes out there blame everything on the needle bearing. I saw that it was only a wheel nut, its always a great feeling when you think a noise is going to be a huge expense and ends up being nothing
I know right! I knew it wasn't that, because I had that problem on my second gen tacoma with a 6'' lift, and it's really not that common on a 3''. That's why I always like doing things myself, because the shop I had some help with on the mount/balance sold me the wrong lugs! But 35k miles later, everything has been great!
So what was the issue ??at the end of the video you still didnt know...are you two saying yhe issue in the video waa lug nutts? Axle nut? I'm thinking of doing a small lift so id really like to know
Check your body mount bushing. I had the same issue as soon as I bought my 2020 Tacoma 4x4... exact same popping sound. Almost sounds like a compressing spring. Three Toyota mechanics couldn't figure it out.. one call to a Toyota engineer and he sorted it out in 10 minutes, replaced the part and no more popping/rubbing noise.
This was actually a loose lug nut, craziest thing, I've never had an issue like that, but the shop sold me the wrong ones, after I replaced them, haven't had any issues.
Are their factory measurements (angle) for the CV axles and drive shaft? How is the angle measured?
I'm not sure what those are, usually everything would be almost perfectly straight or very close, with this lift, nothing was really changed too much out of those original alignments. The Ujoints have some forgiveness to them so a moderate lift like this doesn't change much. Hope that answers your question.
Third Gen Tacomas are simply not fit for low budget lift.
Mine is a '23, had to reverse a 2" lift because all the known noises vibrations and issues.
As comparison my wife drives a lifted 24' Frontier (6" inches) and my off road truck is a 2005 Nissan Titan with 4" lift never had any single issues with both Nissan and the Titan we do heavy mud/off roading.
Thats the crazy reason why you see some companies developing portal axles to the third gen tacomas.
So this ended up being a loose lug nut…perfectly fine lift and I had it on the truck over 20K miles with zero issues. OME is an extremely reputable brand…I’ll be running this same kit on my 24 Tacoma as well..
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I wish you luck and am glad you found just a minor issue . Im gonna keep mine with stock angles and height, after reversed the lift as I said until better solutions for the cv and etc pops up!
Thanks for the video
@@piraltas the diff drop is the best solution. I had a 3” on my 2nd gen as well with the diff drop and had that for 9 years no issues!
Maybe you had an issue with that specific kit.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed indeed diff drop is an alternative , I live in FL and rock crawling is not our main off road use so lifting with the diff drop would help mudding for sure.
Kits are improving nowadays
Do you have a sway bar. Sway bar links to short?
A stock front swaybar yes. Turns out the noise was just rose lug nuts. Shop sold me wrong ones that didn't fit correctly and seat to the wheels
Did you have to replace any other parts after this install such as inner and outer rods?
Nope, didn't replace anything! Truck rides and drives great, probably didn't even need the diff spacer, but still have that on.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I know ppl on here are saying that that it might be your cv axle bushings but I don't think so if you did your 5.29 gears not too long ago.. Igot my 5.29 gears from ECG's a while back and they installed a clamshall cv axle bushing with my gears, did you changed that as well?
Check the 4wd actuater for the driver side front. If the splines are not aligning up or engaging all the way you will get a noise that sounds like crushed ice.
You need aftermarket upper control arms to correct your camber/caster. Also what coils did you use on the front? If you're running coils that are too heavy without having a winch/bumper you will have too much lift. I see your CV fins rubbing like crazy and that's bad.
ebruddah after the drop they don’t seem to rub as bad. Might want to do the boot slide mod too.
Possible of the bearings been damage or metal chip already. Better check those .. hopefully you fixed the issues
Try putting in a brand new CV JOINT you probably messed that one up clubbing the truck in the snow.........with the drastic angle it was on , due to changing the geometry.........do not be surprised if the other side is due to follow suit.
ECGS clamshell Google it. Bud and I would replace befor it brakes all in to little pieces and then youbwill jave to take your whole front diff apart to get all the metal out
That wasn’t it lol, I did that on my last Tacoma with a 6” lift. Still using the original in this truck. It was a loose lug nut lol, I haven’t replaced or needed too for the bearing.
East coast gear supply makes a bushing that replaces the needle bearing on the driver side with tighter tolerances to fix any vibrations or humming . Factory needle bearings have to much play and give problems when you lift Tacoma’s .
Yea I had that issue on my 07 with a 6'' lift, but I didn't really need to do the spacers since it was the lugs.
Diff drop.
Carrier bearing drop.
ECG bushing.
Do em all
this
You really don't want to do the diff drop on these. The clamshell bearing is all that's needed.
@@matt34003434 Agreed.
matt34003434 What would doing the drop affect? The cv axles are pretty much horizontal like stock, could it do more damage?
@@BrosFOURRSpeed For the average user with very light off roading, probably nothing. For off roaders who needs clearance along with skids, you sacrifice ground clearance and there are a few horror stories on TW where it caused a crap load of damage by getting hanged up. Probably not an issue for you if don't intend on wheeling hard.
If the camera footage period is little longer I would have figure it out but the sound for sure is a Bering coming from the black middle axel arm which has two rubber boots, I think something is cracked in there... needs to observe and listen carefully ...you may switch that axel from the left to the right side under passenger seat and see if the noise goes, that’s one way to check what’s going on...
I also have a Tacoma and have researched this problem, it’s a Toyota brake problem, it has been complained about since the 2nd gens and has yet to be fixed
Interesting
Bros FOURR Speed I’m not for sure if it’s the same thing for you but because I have a second gen but it makes the same sort of clanking sound.
Bros FOURR Speed, but if you can find a fix for it please make a video.
Whered you get the front grill? The emblem looks awesome...
Can u provide a link?
Thanks
It's from BPfabricating.com.
The needle bearing on the tacos are known to fail pretty early on some vehicles its just luck of the draw. I would take the vehicle in for warranty work to be honest if its still under warranty. I know some dealerships don't void the warranty if you stay under three inches on a lift but like I said it just depends on your dealership.
Did you notice this right away post lift or was this when your were approaching 500 miles? I noticed mine right away but it is more like a vibration coming under the gas pedal. I have to bring back to the place that did my lift.
Ryan Murphy It wasn't right away, but I noticed it around the 500 mile mark, it could have been sooner, but that's when I caught it.
Bros FOURR Speed interesting how some people don’t have this problem at all and some do. I look forward to hearing what you come up with a solution I’m bringing mine back to the place that did my lift on Thursday and I’m hoping for good news but it is hard to feel optimistic if you have gone through the threads on Tacoma world.
Ryan Murphy If you start reading all those problems it's hard to stay positive that it's nothing crazy, everywhere just starts saying every part could go. Hope yours is easy to fix, but I'll definitely be updating on it soon.
Where did you get this kit from?
Or what brand and will this kit work with stock trd skid plate?
This is the Revtek brand and I don't remember what site I bought it from, but check out theirs first. And it should fit with the trd skid plate!
Bros FOURR Speed cool thanks
@@mychan3734 I probably didn't have to install this, I've seen a lot of people run without it, but haven't had any issues with it installed.
Bros FOURR Speed it would be wise to run them maybe not now but in long run will cause problems. Like busting cv axles. I already did...throwing all the angles off won’t cause issues right away but will later down the line..
@@mychan3734 Yea I'd rather be safe than sorry, and it doesn't really affect ground clearance either, so it's cheap insurance on the axles for sure!
So did you ever get it resolved?.
Yeah! Figured out it was a loose lug nut lol, the shop sold me the wrong ones so once I got the correct ones, I haven't had any issues since this video!
Needle bearing .... Just like everyone else with a lifted Tacoma. The fact that it's only on one side confirms it, since needle bearing is only on one side of the differential. Dropping the diff kind of defeats the purpose of lifting your truck as you're losing your ground clearance. If you only have 1 or 2 inch lift the difference in CV angle shouldn't make a huge difference, except perhaps for the CV boots wearing out faster. The big problem is the way the CV axles are attached to the differential. On one side you have a ball bearing, which isn't bothered At All by the additional angle on the CV, the other side as a needle bearing, which as you could imagine would have more of a problem with increased CV angle. There are replacement bearings for it that are manufactured by East Coast Gear Supply. You can install it yourself, their videos on the internet on how to do it.
I have seen that issue before, and had that go out on my last tacoma, but with this one, turns out it was a lug making that noise.
It’s definitely the cv in your gopro footage it looks like a roller bearing is out you can see the wobble in the shaft It’s a cheap easy replacement but I wouldn’t stay stock on it they make a ton of after market heavy duty cv shafts more money but they will handle a lot more load and not care about the angle of the cv all these guys that rag should read more drop spacers aren’t necessary if you have the right components to fit your travel those spacers don’t do much at max travel and that tire goes from free spin to load stock shafts weren’t intended to handle that with increased angle range but ya bro the trucks legit and as most motor enthusiasts you should know with any vehicle you plan to make your own your never done till you sell it and that’s a fact but good luck bro I look forward to the outcome
Taco Hands Thanks for the comment, I want to look into new cv axles just to see what the upgraded ones can offer for sure.
stock CV axles from toyota are alot stronger then most aftermarkets ive seen out there that ppl replace them with...
ECGS bushing. It's a known issue with all 3rd gen Tacomas.
eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-8536125-toyota-8-clamshell-bushing-eliminates-needle-bearing.html
Hammer Thumbs I agree. I didn’t realize how common this is looks like I’ll be doing this before I have the issue
@@AshtonRegier My brother in-law and I both have lifted Tacos. If you want to verify its the needle bearing (ECGS fix) check to see if the clanking goes away in 4WD.
i have a 3 inch suspension lift on a 2013 and i have a noise coming from my cv too, but only sometimes.
Sounds like a front differential issue to me. Try disconnecting the sway bar links, and the. Test drive again.
look at the CV joint next to the diff... look at the boot... doesnt it look a bit odd? i think your frount driver CV joint is broken... you might need to look at it...... start by grabbing it and giving it a good tug in many different directions... if there is any play, thats your problem...
Pretty sure most of the comments are correct. Needle bearing on the driver side. It is the inside closest to the front diff. The reason the noise did not completely go away is bcuz the damage is already done.
I have a 2 wheel drive off road,,, any problems with this model if i lift it 3/2" front spacers and rear blocks??
I don't see you having any problems. The only think I would mention is the driveshaft angle, but that would be the same as on mine truck and I don't have any issues, but some people add the carrier bearing drop kit (right in the middle of the driveshaft) just to help with the angle some, but you should be good! Will that be your first mod?
@@BrosFOURRSpeed thanks man!! Yes it will be my first mod.. what do you think about front spacers and rear blocks?? 3/2" ready lift... i don't do off roading thats why i have a 2 wheel drive, i just love the look of a lifted tacoma with big tires.
@@PabloRodriguez-rj9yk I had a kit similar on my second gen, the only thing, it was a bit stiff on the front coils adding the spacer since it "bottoms" out the shock, I went with new coils for my 3rd gen, but that cost a lot more. I wouldn't go any higher than that with blocks.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed Awesome!! Your truck looks great 👌👍
@@PabloRodriguez-rj9yk Thanks! You'll have to send a pic once the lift is on!
Axle joint is bad or outter bearing something failed
Actually it was a loose lug nut! After putting on the right ones, I've had zero issues and haven't replaced anything! Crazy how that small of a piece can do that.
I just bought a truck that has this problem. Guy before me probably lifted it a ton and never fixed that issue
Luckily for me it was a loose lug nut, I was given the wrong ones for the wheels I have. Hopefully it's an easy fix for you too. After I put the right ones one, I haven't had anything else happen.
What kind lift you have. 2 in lift kit sport old man emu right.
When you lift a tacoma you have to replace the needle bearing for a bushings.... and diff drop
Does it happen in 4wd as well?
Yea, turns out it was dirt or a rock stuck somewhere.
Did you ever replace the needle bearing??
Nope! This turned out to be a loose lug nut, after getting the correct ones, I've had zero issues. I knew it wasn't the needle bearing because I went down that road on my previous tacoma with a 6'' lift. A 3'' generally won't cause that to need replacing. So after the new lugs, it's been good!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed did you keep the diff drop or removed? I can't decide if I want to install a diff, everyone says I don't need it 🤔
@@yezkaholic I still have it on! I've heard you don't need it either, but it was $40 so no a lot and it seems to drive great. Seemed fine before but I just left it.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed thank you for you helpful tips! Guys like you make it slot easier with your videos and responses to questions!
@@yezkaholic No problem! Let me know on anything else!
Also known as a "Cheater Bar", I've had to do something similar with vice grips, sliding a steel pipe over the handle, works like a charm.
I have a 17 TRD off-road Tacoma and throughout my research I went with a BDS 6 inch lift with coil overs. I did have a shop do the work for it because there was some cutting involved with dropping the front diff far enough. I have not had any issues so far with over 5000 miles and some tough off-road use over 700 miles of it from rock, to sand, dirt you name it. All this said I did not get the noise you are experiencing even others said I would get that noise. I would do some research on BDS 6in lift to see what is different between the lifts maybe there is something they did that you have not to eliminate the problem hope this helps
Yea I've been looking into it a lot, I'll have some update videos coming soon.
You're smart by having a professional do the lifting rather your self.
I got icon stage 3 suspension and have no problems with what your having.
had same issue with my tacoma, go around again and retighten all the bolts especially ones on control arms and cam bolts. After I did mine it all went away..
Turn the wheel to full lock and drive in circles with and without engine load. This will help you identify CV axle issues.
It ended up being the lug nuts. They keep coming loose even after being properly tightened
I got screwed on a revtek kit years ago. Went through 3cv boot sets with an installed revtek by les schwab. Eventually after hundreds of dollars they checked for the spacer and it was never installed with lift. 🤯
Once you find out exactly what the problem is can you please post of what happened. I’m really curious. Because I want to lick my truck but I don’t want any issues. So just so I’ll know what not to do
I plan on purchasing a 2019 Tacoma TD Sport, I want a 3 inch lift kit, but I will have the dealer install it, I know it's money consuming but at least it is warranted and done right. Don't purchase a cheap lift kit.
I have an update video coming soon.
I have a 2015 Tacoma and my previous 2009 4runner never needed a diff drop before that I owned for 6 yrs. I would never do this since it reduces ground clearance and is not necessary.
Crappy thing I worry bout is the Angle on that Ball Joint now. Don't look Right. (1:44 far right)
That's nothing I would worry about. I have 22k miles on my truck now with zero issues, and I put 80k on my last tacoma with a 3'' lift with the same drop kit.
Different type of question, how did you mount the gopro down there?
I have a jaw mount that clamps onto sturdy objects ;)
@@BrosFOURRSpeed thanks for the quick response! I'm gonna look one up cause I got some areas I want to look at too for mine lol
Turn your steering wheel all the way to the left and drive forward. If the noise becomes more predominant there is a problem with the axle itself
Mr.Moo A. It does it in a straight line too which is odd.
What ended up being the issue?
A loose lug nut lol! Shop sold me the wrong ones, after I put correct ones on, haven’t had an issue since!
A few of the comments already stated it too but I would lay money on the Needle Bearings. Its a 3rd gen issue that pops up on some trucks.
breaker bar...keep it next to your sliced bread.
Pro-tip...the handle from your floor jack can also double as an excellent breaker
Do you find the problem I have the same situation????
Might of toasted that cv??
Actually no, it was a loose lug nut of all things. Shop sold me the wrong ones, so with the proper ones, I've had zero issues!
Hopefully you checked them all
I did! I haven't had any issues after getting the correct lugs!
East coast gear supply bushing. 70$ and totally worth it.
Lol, that wasn’t the problem for this truck! I did that on a previous Tacoma but this was a loose lug nut of all things.
I had the same popping issue on my 2010 Tacoma that’s on a lift and at around 170000 miles I had to have bearings replaced and other front end work done.
Oh wow.
im coming way out of left field. im gonna say needle bearing?
My tacoma trd sport 4x4 has The same noise and vivratiom what can i do ????
Turns out it was loose wheel studs. Make sure all your bolts are tight. But could be a needle bearing
@@user-ot9vo3pm1h Initially I thought it was something stuck somewhere like a rock....but after awhile I found out it was a loose lug nut, and that was after the shop installed everything so I should've double checked on that.
Could be needle bearing or you may need to grease up your CVs
Turns out it was just loose lugs. The shop sold me incorrect lugs
Bros FOURR Speed dang it’s always the least expected thing! Glad you found the issue though homie!
Changing the angle of your axle won’t automatically fix your ‘bad’ axle. Not sure why you think this. A bad axle is a bad axle even if you do the diff drop. Many people have installed the fix needle bearing. I have a 2015 Tacoma with no issues. But if I have any issues I will be installing this myself.
eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-8536125-toyota-8-clamshell-bushing-eliminates-needle-bearing.html
Needle bearing. ecgs have a replacement bushing
Turned out it was a loose lug, I've never had the needle bearing go out on a 3'' lift, just on the 6'' I had on my 2nd gen.
I think it's your inner rod?
Turned out to be a loose lug nut! Haven't had any issues after I got the correct lugs! Been a solid truck so far!
Do we also have these problems on lifted 2wd tacomas???
This turned out to be an issue with a lug. I had a 2nd gen as well with a 3'' lift for 8 years with zero issues and after about 9k miles on this truck, zero issues!
I 𝐋ift 2’inch my 2017 tacoma trd sport 4x4 and i have the same problem.
Great video man!!! I don't know what could be wrong, maybe you should have a professional look at it. I love your Toyota Tacoma!!! I can't wait for y'all next video.
Have you fixed the problem? And what was it.
That update vid is coming tomorrow!
1.) Buy a breaker bar!
2.) Get on TacomaWorld and read. Plenty of info related to this and similar issue.
You have to do a spacer in the driveshaft in the Middle of the truck
Those spacers are a waisted. It's great for the CV axles, but that's why you get upgraded spindles and UCA's. And theres a reason, why the truck has control arms, and no solid/straight axles. Also why the axles has a geometry to move around because they're made to do that and make those movements.
Need a diff drop?
You don't need this with the lift. Of all things it ended up being a loose lug nut, turns out they sold me the wrong ones. But I still have it and everything has been smooth since then.
U need the easy coast gear supply needle bearing kit. Not a diff drop
It’s very unfortunate with the truck being so new. I’m very surprised that my truck went so long without dropping diff. I do believe the folks that told you to drop it along with the lift are correct. The bearing sounds like it’s shot especially since you’ve been off roading
Yea, I'm hoping it's nothing too bad though, I'll have an update video coming soon.
Don’t worry your going to have great resale value like all the broke down rusted highly priced Toyota’s online like craigslist that never sell!!!
Sounds like bad needle bearings in the axle shaft.
Luckily it was just a loose lug nut of all things! The shop sold me the wrong ones so they didn't work right with my wheels, so I haven't had any issues with the truck after getting the new ones.
Im still looking for dirt on the "dirty" truck.
crushed ball bearings?
Is it making the noise in 4 wheel drive?
It is still present in 4 hi and low.
Have you pulled the tire and inspect the brakes and components?
was the problem every fixed. quick tip never pull towards your face especially with a cheater bar.
Turned out the shop sold me the wrong lugs, so after replacing those, I haven't had any issues! Still have the diff drop kit in and runs smooth!