Question do I really need to regear my 07 tacoma 4x4 with 285/75/16? I dont crawl maybe minor if anything and moderate off-roading and trails nothing extreme.?
@@MrHighdro21 So basically that is a 33" tire... I don't think you NEED to re-gear for 33's. That's not to say that you wouldn't see some slight performance improvements but you are definitely below the threshold of having to re-gear. I'm in the same spot on the Tundra... obviously it has a bigger engine and is made for towing... so it pushes 35's fine... I could re-gear... but i wont until I go to 37's. Your cut off is probably if you ever went any bigger at all...
Cool cool. Thanks for the input. Been hearing alot online about trucks struggling and more stress on tranny ect so ive stayed at 265 which looks skimpy but work good
I just wanted to say I was wanting to lift of 4th gen 4runner and was looking for info everywhere for days and your video gave me the chunk of knowledge I needed to start looking at what I really need!!!! Your videos are awesome definitely recommending
The reality is they are paying good money to play a different game... if that’s what makes you happy go for it... but that is a form over function game and I don’t play that game.
@@OutdoorAuto I wish more people would have that mindset. I shake my head when I see it, sometimes laugh a little, but hey, it makes them happy. Their money, their enjoyment. I will never talk down on someone on the internet that did some crazy suspension and tire combo that doesn't suit my lifestyle. If someone wants to slam a 1st gen 4runner and they did it right, hell yeah. If someone wants to lift a Tacoma to the sky with 1 inch of rubber on the rims, if it's done right, hell yeah. Someone does a huge spacer lift... I might say something encouraging them to do it right.
@@originalname9999 Yeah, I agree. To each their own. With this channel I am just trying to use it to save people money... no matter how much money you have for a build... there are pitfalls to avoid that waste time and money. It really can be so confusing now days... so many options and of course all of them say they are good and somewhere there will be a forum post that says its amazing... I guess maybe I am dumb enough to think that bring the conversation back to the fundamentals will hopefully help people.
I used to talk down those trucks, then I thought, at least that truck is being taken care of so I can have a clean platform to build off of in a few years. I’m all about function over form so I don’t fully understand, but whatever floats their boat.
Great video. Someone who understands and gets it. Something else people don't get is payload capacity. I have seen a lot of "overlanders" that by the time they add racks, tents, rotopax, passengers, supplies and all that jazz, they are either maxed out, or way over. You have to think about what you are doing, and then do it right. Remember, just because a vehicle does it, doesn't mean it's doing it right. Subscribed.
I talk a lot about weight... as a guy that can use just about any gear I want, I still find myself trying to slim down my kit and simplify as much as possible to keep the weight down... it isn't any fun to Wheel a Heavy truck/Overloaded truck. Payload is huge...
Thanks for the great content. I am new to overlanding and off-roading and learning a lot from just watching a few of your videos. Good luck on the channel and keep it coming!
I got two additional leaf springs on each side of my taco. After last year we were out on trip for 1.5 months. I saw a bit of a sag sometimes w my bed rack, rtt and loaded w camp gear. Prob solved to the budget that was good for me.
I don’t even own an Offroad vehicle but I want to someday and your video made a lot of sense even for someone like me who has absolutely no idea what lift kits and UCA and all that jazz is for. Personally I wouldn’t lift my own vehicle higher than what it needs to be. I’m not planning on doing any rock crawling with my future vehicle too so I might not even need any of these. But thanks for the very informative video.
Great video! I wish I had seen this before I upgraded my suspension in September. haha. I wouldn't have upgraded my UCA's, but would have gone for the remote reservoir ICON shocks instead of the regular coilovers. Live and learn I guess! Keep up the great content dude! Maybe see you on the trails someday.
@@gordonwinn1973 they have done extremely well over the last 25k miles. Definitely more of a firm sports car feel on the road and far better stability off-road. Rides higher in the travel in slow off-road stuff which helps prevent hitting rocks from the suspension compressing too much. I really liked them. Only advice would be to check your clearances on the rear lower shock mounts at full droop as well as the anti-sway bar ends at full lock and droop.
What suspension kit would you recommend for an overlanding fj.. With roof top tent ,awning ,drawers, fridge, water tank Car will go through many trails dunes, mountains, basic to medium rock crawling, dirt roads, gravel roads and will cross thousands of miles to reach camping situations. I currently run a stage 1 fox suspension installed by arctic trucks But with all the weight i added as soon as the road gets bumpy everything in the vehicle is flying all over the place now while it's fun for short distances the longer routes sap out all the energy And whats the difference between a single bypass double triple and is one really better over the other Great videos by the way very detailed and to the point
When you get into Medium level Rock crawling is kinda where I draw that line and move over to MT tires. Even if they are heavier in those cases you usually will need the traction and the stronger sidewall. Obviously an AT tire is great for running the amount of mile you are talking about... but don't get stranded on the rough trails. From your description it sounds like you are doing Expedition level stuff on rough terrain... if thats true and MT or a Hybrid would be the way to go. On the suspension for the FJ's when you get into serious wheeling you need to be able to account for all your added weight which unfortunately pushes you into pricier options that have more adjustability. Obviously Both Kings and ICON have kits... I would look into the ICON stage 3-5 kits... they definitely aren't cheap... but it will solve your issues. Bypasses are critical if you want a shock that can perform on and off-road... here is a great article that breaks it down. More by-passes just adds additional dampening layers to a shock - 4wheelsandamotor.com/technology/bypass-shocks-explained/
@@OutdoorAuto thanks mate for the detailed feedback, yup exactly it's more expedition what I am doing exploring new routes Will take a look at the link thanks buddy
So you don't think uca's are necessary when upgrading your shocks? I'm worried about stress on my stock ball joints. I don't do a lot of off roading, but will occasionally. I'm running a 21 Colorado Z71 and looking at upgrading shocks. you don't think doing uca's at same time as shocks is necessary? It would save me about $1000 lol.
35's fit on a Tundra fine with just a 2.5" - 3' lift and using a rim with minimal offset... My rims are a +1 Offset. You don't have to do the BMC (Body Mount Chop) unless you are going with 37's+ or are trying to get that wide stance and running rims with large negative offsets... -44 Offset is pretty popular more in the Mall Crawler crowd and those will rub because you are pushing the tire well out past the fender and it wont be able to tuck in the area made for a tire to tuck.
While I won't be doing one, body lifts are a much better alternative to spacer lifts for ground clearance. They look goofy but they don't effect geo. Curious on your thoughts
The main problem with them in newer vehicles is the usually stress your electrical harness... there is almost no slack in them... so body lifts can lead to electrical failures over time... especially if you wheel your vehicle.
I really wouldn't recommend it. The problem is it changes the geometry of your suspension system on shocks that already aren't the most robust. There are affordable suspension lifts for a lot of vehicles that cost about 2x the spaces and level kits... Bilstein has some pretty good, affordable options for a lot of vehicles.
Awesome content, question tho, ive got a bone stock 04 f150 crew cab, what would you recommend i get suspensionwise that would be compatible for overlanding?
@@OutdoorAuto right just as you explained, sorry, i do plan to haul around a rooftop tent in excess of 100 pounds all the time, and probably 400 or so of gear, i certainly dont plan for any racing, just mediumish difficulty trails with lots of rocks and whatnot, i just cant figure out whats a reputable brand for an F150 as the ones you listed only make systems for specific models, and as you said dont cheap out lol.
@@HazardWolfCorp Check out the Facebook Group Full-size Overland... there are a bunch of F150 owners in there that have tested a LOT of gear. That is where I would start. Post a pick of your truck and as your questions. Its a good group and it will get you a head start. facebook.com/groups/fullsizeoverland
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Any Advise on a 2010 tahoe suspension. Looking for a more leveled look, but want to be able to run the “jeep trails” on the farm, and still be able to tow the boat, and enjoy a comfortable drive on road where I spend most of my time. Any advise helps
@@robertmcghee1463 I have to say I have never worked with a Tahoe... the main thing to avoid would be the non-suspension leveling solutions. those make your ride trash. You will also need to verfy anything you add will play nice with Towing... I would hit the forums... every truck, SUV generally has a forum out there and see what is popular... then I would verify with the Manufacturer that it fits your full set of needs.
@@OutdoorAuto how do you feel about 37s in the tundra? Most people say it’s to much work, some say it’s not hard at all. Like to get your input. I’m trying to decide how to move forward with on my tundra. Set up for 35” or plan out for 37”(depending on cost) like to here
Also keep in mind when you get 35s you may not be able to keep the stock spare tire location and have to take up space or spend a ton on a new mount location.
Dude, you share some really solid insight in this video. It’s no nonsense and these are points that most people don’t think about. You are absolutely right. People get enamored with overbuilt trucks and this video politely points out what is superfluous and is just super practical. I love it.
For my Tacoma I did a month of research into the best lift kit for my needs. At 1st I wanted the whole fox/kings 3 inch lift race setup and spend about 5,000. After looking at the forums and what im really going to be doing with the vehicle I went with a more modest suspension lift kit that I can use my stock UCAs on and spend more money on things I really needed to complete the build. I went with the Bilstein 6112, 5160 suspension setup for about 1100, rooftop tent 1000, wheels 1000, tires 1200, leaf springs 600, bed rooftop tent rack 400. I spent about what I would have on my whole build over what just that lift kit would have cost me.
This is a really good write up... You could actually do a great video/walk around that would be great for a lot of peoples needs... Overkill suspension for your needs vs a complete overland build. Pretty cool.
I would love to see finished pics of your build. Yours sounds exactly like what I would love to have. I'd love to be able to go offroad and explore, but I'm not about to drop $$$ for a crazy rock crawler. I just want to take my family in the great outdoors without banging up my daily driver. Do you have an instagram account people can follow?
Really appreciate this video. I’ve been doing some research on overlanding builds for my Tacoma for a little while, and this was easily the most helpful video I’ve come across. Explained everything throughly and gives great insight on what direction(s) people can take.
I've found that the airbags that fit inside the coil springs in the back of an SUV can be very helpful for overlanding. They stablize the load well, and don't hinder travel much at all if run at medium psi.
If you lift your 4WD and it has solid axles you only increase the approach angle the only what to increase your clearance (diff to ground) is by increasing the wheel/tire size.
I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just have that clearance from the factory. They literally push Tacoma's and Tundra's as off-road vehicles but you can't put bigger tires on without doing a CMC
THANK YOU! I am in my planning phase and have been looking for rebuildable shocks. I'm all for "buy once, cry once" when it comes to vehicles. My plan is a "prepared build" instead of the "over-kill build." I've seen too many people build a "SEMA truck," break the bank in the process, and destroy their vehicle. Something I have yet to hear anyone talk about is experience in off-roading. I think the lack of knowing what to do off-road is responsible for 90% of the bad things that happen.
You hit on a lot of important points here. I think Seat time, behind your own rig is a HUGE deal... understanding what it can do easily and what will be a strain... How to use power and momentum appropriately... like you said... a lot comes down to experience not upgrades.
Hey Nathan - a well presented and informed real life tutorial - glad you discovered some great outback trekking gear designed here in Australia. The Canning Stock route is my next trip once we get to Covid free travel - After many years of running nine Subarus I have acquired a stock 2010 Hilux Diesel auto with plans to setup for outback touring - thanks for excellent advice - John in South Australia.
@@johnnumbat9782 Such a bummer! It’s like a crazy nightmare and B movie plot come to life I hope Aussie people take their country back from the insane asylum.
This was super informative. Just got a 20 Tacoma 4wd DCLB that I want to set up for truck camping off-grid. 3" total lift is what I was thinking and you absolutely confirmed this. OME shocks was also on my radar with an AAL. Nice to hear from an expert that I'm on the right track. Appreciate it!
I agree that you shouldn't go crazy with lift height. However there is something to be said for having a higher breakover angle, especially on a long 4 door pickup truck. Even if you can stuff 35in or 37in tires under your 3in lift, it won't do you any good if you get high centered or hung up on a cross member. And while i also agree that you should try to avoid dropping the front diff, that is much more desirable that having a low breakover angle. You should be putting your tires on the high points in the trail rather than trying to clear them between the tires.
I own a 14' Tundra CM and have Bilstein 5100 F/R on it (set the front to top set 2.28") and added the SPC UCA (one of my biggest mistakes I've ever made when after removing previous owners 3 inch rough country lift spacer but I have a better UCA in the long run and to late to sell it so wth, might as well keep it, spend to much $ already on it), added spidertrax 1.25" on it (because of my previous 275/65r20 tire rubbing the SPC UCA and rubbing the passenger side body mount area. I am currently still on my stock TSS rims and 275/60r20 KO2's), and still have the 1" dif drop + 1" block (from previous owner). Personally I've always loved the TSS rims but when going off roading I really rely on sidewall and even today looking at my trucks KO2's sidewall, its not so great. So I will have to buy a smaller rim either 17 or 18 most likely 17's. My current plans as of right now (3-4 yrs down the road, hence payment around that time will be done yet also tires will be worn out around those yrs timespan) are to save up and finish paying off my Tundra then most likely I'll change to 285/70r17 for more sidewall yet also to avoid doing a BMC/CMC, I know all about it but I really don't wanna deal and touch that area so I'd would rather buy new rims & tires than doing a BMC/CMC. When I saw those EMU shocks then clicked the link, my god there expensive for my budget and to much for me, I would rather stick with my Bilstein 5100's because I abuse them a lot when I go off roading and use them as daily driving as well as there really reliable and very at a minimum cost to buy new ones. They never let me down.
Dude Bilstein 5100's are awesome... not everyone needs a Desert Racing Shock. I like your plan. Definitely go for the 17" rims... I will be on those some day. They are tight, but fit on the Tundra.
Appreciate the support... I am working on a bunch of new informative overland videos right now... should se them coming out over the next couple weeks.
The only thing I regret about starting my build, is now being to broke to finish my build. So what a lot of people do when they get lifted springs, they don’t think of the location of the spring shackles. The shackle hanger needs to be relocated to carry weight. It’s pronounced eem-you.
I've got a 2016 TRD Pro with the OEM upgraded Bilstein shocks. Would the later model Fox shocks be an upgrade for me or did Toyota go to Fox shocks to save money?
1. have a plan 2. pick a better suspension system than factory 3. avoid spacers and leveling kits 4. keep your lift as low as you need for the terrain you explore 5. follow the rules (dont cut corners)
Number 4 has me really intrigued….I’ve been seriously thinking this over and common sense tells me why you would say that but do you mind explaining the reasoning behind it?
Travel state parks on the weekends, like exploring dirt roads, pine barrens especially here in NJ. Thinkin bout old man emus heavy load 2 inch lift on my 2015 Tacoma sitting on 32s. Believe it should give me the capability without having to re-gear or worry about the geometry of things
1 year on, have you changed the advice for a newbie? As a Land Rover Defender owner, I have standard suspension, which works well, in fact the whole set up is pretty much standard, I have added helper springs and Anti-roll bars. The reaon for these choices is simple, overlanding is not off roading, it is vehicle dependent, usually remote travel, therefore you want components you cna get anywhere. A fair amount of the advice you give is relevent to all, off roaders, racers and overlanders, but not all. I agree with what you say about a lift and destabilising the vehicle and staying as low as you can to do what you need to do. ps, I have ran a D1 on rock crawls and off road courses, most of the tricks to getting over/through obsticles is where you put the vehicle. 🙂
You are right - when it comes to off roading, it is probably 80% driver... 20% Gear.... After doing this for years probably the main thing I can say is most people are overbuilding and under adventuring. My builds have trended toward more extreme, but so have my trips - I really like extremely remote, very bad roads... simple reason is I usually get to go somewhere almost nobody else goes. The real trick is getting people to build to their actual use and not their perceived use. It sounds to me like you have hit that sweet spot really well.
@@OutdoorAuto coming from the Jeep world (2 “XJ” models) I always looked at the only purpose of a lift was fitting bigger tires. Granted I did technical but relatively mild offroad trails, nothing at high speed, so suspension wasn’t a huge deal. Love the video, definitely on-point regarding keeping things as low as possible, something a lot of people seem to miss. I haven’t done much with my Ram yet, but with the Jeeps it was pretty remarkable what they would do bone-stock. I only got stuck twice, and both were due to insufficient tire.
Yeah! The improved approach, break over and departure angles are pointless when you do the big lifts with the differential drop!🙄😂🤣 It’s all about being able to get your front differential over an obstacle, only to get the rear diff caught up right. Real trucks have solid axles. I have yet to see a lifted vehicle that can use a bigger tire without a 6”+ lift without bumper and fender mods. I totally agree with tucking the biggest tire with the least lift you can.
Thank you for your informative vlog, I recently purchased a used TRD Pro Fox suspension to replace the OEM shocks on my TRD Off-Road (28k, $550). Many people laughed at me and told me I would regret buying it as it was non adjustable and a poor system to do a lift. I spent a lot of time researching and was honest with what type of driving I do and felt that the suspension would be a great upgrade as most of my off road is unmaintained ranch roads, forestry trails, and mild two tracks and I really didn't feel I needed a big lift. I have skids and sliders on 265/75 16's with high clearance bumpers. I am planning on installing a AAD, which will give me a back a little rake, and work with the extra weight I carry when loaded with gear. So far I felt I made a good decision, and after listening to this vlog, I even feel better about my decision.
Sounds like a great setup... sliders and skids aren't utilized enough in my opinion... Yes I could lift my truck 3 more inches and I would rarely hit them... but that is what they are there for... I slide around on my rock sliders ALL the time... they do the job... protect the truck and help keep my nice on low to the ground.
Buying a gen 2 sequoia.. want to install 33 inch tires. Prefer to keep any lift to 2 inches ... maybe 2.5 if I have to.. i have heard about the land cruiser rear springs.. does that sound like the start of a plan.. not trying to do too technical or rock crawling. Want to be able to deal with some mud or gravel roads.. dont have amazing off road driving skills so I want to start carefully and see how I like going out overlanding on tame stuff.
I have a 2007 tundra crewmax with bilstein 5100 on the top setting giving me a little over 2" lift...is there any guide out there telling me max tire size? all the tire shops tell me 33" yet many say 34 or even 35" how do I figure this out before purchase?? Also, if I increase offset can I increase the width tire allowed? Thanks a ton for your help, striking out to baja on January one and want to get it right the first time!
First rule people should keep in mind is to stop confusing overlanding with four wheel driving. One can literally overland on a Vespa or a unicycle. Choose / build the vehicle for the purpose not your ego.
Nate so I'm getting ready to buy a buddies 02 4Runner it has a lift already on it , I want to put an ARB bumper on it do I need anything so I don't break anything on my Runner? I'm a total newb
I would check out this video - it goes through an early check list for Overlanding and offroad - ruclips.net/video/FNuiMVD2Huk/видео.html - ARB bumpers are solid but I would check out some of the other companies as well. There are a lot of good bumpers for 4Runners.
Man great info! I see guys and girls in there new trucks with 20inch wheels and a 5 inch lift? It just looks silly and has no purpose other that looks! But if that what you are into go for it!
If people love making mall crawlers, by all means go for it if you have the money.... but for sure don't make the mistake in thinking a mall crawler is optimized for Overlanding...
Don’t normally comment. I feel compelled to say I appreciate common sense reasoning for budgeting a kit designed for usage. I’ve stayed patient to do my due diligence for budgeting quality product per usage. This video spelled a lot of for myself as a beginner and I thank you for that.
Really great job bro on your video... I've set up several similar trucks including my current and previous Toyota Tundra. You make all the points that I also try to covey to my friends that want to lift or set up a overland truck. I did want to add something if nobody else had on the air bag thing which I always add and am a big fan. Instead of connecting the bottom portion of the bag as per design to the axle which in fact limits your articulation what I do is use cradles. That way u get the advantages of bags without limits of travel. Daystar makes the ones I've used. Anyway just wanted add to the outstanding information you have provided for others 👍
I don't know where you are... but definitely not out here in the Western US... heck they are even legal in California where everything related to car modifications is hard.
That is great... I think one of the main points of this video is that people shouldn't rush into suspension. A lot of times what the truck came with will work just fine. Down the road once you get miles and trips with the Family under your belt you may change your mind... but first order of business is always just getting out there and having fun.
@Cory Casarez I totally agree... even though a lot of our videos are about gear... The actual point of the channel is for people to just get out, save some money... spend the money doing things with people you love... Have a plan.. and get only what you need... nothing else.
Nathan Mueller I appreciate this attitude in this community. I purchased a 4Runner about a year ago with grand plans for high end suspension and huge tires and aftermarket front locker and... the list goes on. After getting out and using it stock, I’m shocked at how capable this thing is with a decent set of tires! I echo this attitude all the time! Get out and use your vehicle as it is right now. Find it’s limits. Only upgrade the things that are actually limiting you on the trail.
Nathan. Using your videos I upgraded my 2017 Tundra to the Bilstein 6112s up front 2 1/2" lift, 5100s in the rear with 1" rear lift. It rides and drives better than before if you ask me. I was able to sell the old coils and shocks to recoup some money. You videos gave me the knowledge to move forward.
I’m always up for ppl disagreeing... one thing with body lifts is most overlanders are running newer cars (-/+ 20 years)... so a body lift generally equals a lot of wiring work if it’s done right... the labor on newer cars, to do a body lift usually more than pays for a better suspension lift.
@@OutdoorAuto ahhh, didnt know that, makes sense now. Cause i see a lot of body lifts on older vehicles like mine and never stopped to think why people dont do it to new cars.
I love driving a low, long wheelbase, stable rig. Climbing the steepest climbs, and side hilling like a champ. But the horrible breakover angle will make some obstacles impassable, and is the price you pay for having a low stable rig. Knowing what you are driving, picking the right lines, skid plates, or full belly pan and momentum all help.
Agree with all of this... I have had to get through obstacles with just momentum before... that is definitely why armor matters... If you are going to wheel hard in a truck this big I would definitely get the gas skid... that seems to always be the area that gets hung up... and like you said... pick your lines and have a good spotter.
Are there any over landing vehicles or videos out there about vehicle’s other than a Toyota forerunner or Toyota Tacoma’s don’t people, Overland and other vehicle’s I want to see those videos where are those?
I’ve found that OME doesn’t make any kits for F150s, so I’ve seen other brands like Rancho, Eibach, and Bilstein. They have kits some inexpensive kits with new rear shocks and front struts, are those worth it or should I really be spending closer to $1000 for a kit with coil overs?
Hello good Sir! I'll be honest here: I'm almost in tears when finished watching your video; For years and years I've been watching and reading about suspension for the build that my wife and I wish to start building and in all videos, all I've found was the same approach "oh! look what I got for my truck a 3" dick and will hang from here to here, oh! look at this brand new set up of balls for my truck" just dumb and macho show off people bragging about expensive gear but without having a clue that they could hurt the public that is in need of good and down to earth info to do a really good build without spending all of their savings or getting into big numbers in the credit cards. There's no enough word to thank you, for your honest-down2earth and concise opinion about what we actually need and look for in order to get the actual parts to do a "perfect" build without overkilling the build. Have safe travels and always good days to enjoy the outdoors, you have earned a new subscriber, looking forward to more vids! THANK YOU!
ok so I am not big on Toyota but by choice. How ever I do have a 22 Ford 150 Power boost FX4. I looked at OLD MAN EMU suspension, I learned they do not make any suspention stuff for my truck. F-250 and 350's they do. I don't need a truck that HD. plus I am not spending 100k on a truck that do not come with 7.2k generator systems. My point on my comment is. who else makes a good suspension kit for my truck with out puck up to increase my height. I want to build a light trail rig. nothing to rock climb. I just wanna go places that a avg truck and RV cant go...... looking for a off road RV as well so I will need tow ability. Thanks y'all
What tire size and lift height do you suggest for a 3rd gen Tacoma? My truck came with a 3” lift and 285/75/r16 from the previous owner. It’s ridiculously high IMO and the tires eat up MPG. I was wondering if I really need those tires. I’d also upgrade my suspension and would like to a 2” lift ideally. But I’m not sure if that will work with the current tires. If I downsize my tires I will lose ground clearance. Planning on doing overlanding through national parks and some Forrest dirt roads/loose gravel etc. not heavy rock climbing at all.
Hi Nathan! A very helpful video! I’d like your opinion on how I should build out my 2012 FJ Cruiser Trail Teams Special Edition; which is currently mostly stock. I plan on Overlanding established trails - no intentional rock climbing. I will put steel front and rear steel bumpers along with a roof top tent. What suspension would you recommend and possible UCAs? I’m leaning towards a 2.5 inch lift with Toytec Alumas along with Ironman UCAs. Thoughts or advice?
I own a 2015 Silverado 2500hd and I am doing an overland build on it. I already have a rack and tent but otherwise besides fox 2.0 ifp shocks and 35s. The truck is stock suspension wise. I looked at kibbetech which does prerunner stuff for my body style 2500hd and they sell a leveling coil over conversion kit for my truck and a bunch of other stuff like hydrolic bump stops. But all together would be about $12k before tax. It would improve everything about my truck and make it an amazing 2500hd overland rig. I would prefer to do there long travel stuff but that would cost me $30k before tax. I think the $12k option would be best and with this truck being already as big as it is. It would be best to do the non long travel because if I did the long travel it would become wider. And I almost barely fit going up Imogene pass in Colorado stock.
2004 tacoma, crew cab. Plan to use as work truck with estimated 1000lbs in the bed using water tanks at the job site. Also thinking Bilstern 5100 front and rear. However, OME-9804TAC - Old Man Emu Tacoma Suspension (98-04 Tacoma) Front and rear with leaf springs might be smart choice...??? RR
A diff drop isn’t the worst thing in the world, esp if you’re on a budget. Cost of an aftermarket bumper or bumper spacers, cab mount chop, and possibly a new skid plate is a LOT more than a diff drop.
This is a good point... It really does depend on your plan and what you are trying to build. On a Tundra... an after market bumper in the front buys you a ton of extra clearance... its all about priorities and a plan. Don't be the squirrel :)
Nathan Mueller 100%. Great video btw. You made some excellent points about center of gravity many forget to mention. One thing though about airbags and offroading-I’d recommend Daystar cradles. While not “recommended” by some airbag manufacturers, they will help from your bags tearing.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I've got a 2007 f350 cc dually diesel 4x4. Stock. Wondering what size lift amd tires you would recommend? My goal would be pan american in stints over several years. Probably a palomino type pop up camper. First stint starting in Cali and up to Alaska. I would love to get the most travel with lowest COG. Cut fenders or whatever is fine with me. Thanks again for sharing! :)
What do you say for full size rig abour level kits? You say donr do it but i want to fit 35s but a 2.5 increase in my front gets me to them tires bur il srill going to replace everything and freshen up the leafs and spend the money on remote reservoirs. I dont think i want 37s and need a 4inch lift for that
Nice channel , nice delivery, pleasant commentary with good knowledge, BUT BUT BUT BUT. .... Why is a body lift a terrible idea that should be avoided at all cost, @ 3:11? I agree with your statements on suspension mods but not this one. The suspension geometry is carefully designed for each vehicle and as such it cannot be talked about in a general manner. My vehicle has fully independent suspension . Many popular vehicles are equipped with IFS. Many more are solid axle. Each of these designs are sensitive to " suspension lifts" as they change the geometry in a undesirable way. There are at least 4 negative results achieved by suspension lifts as they are commonly performed. A deeper study of suspension geometry and how it works will show this. ..................The best way to increase the ground clearance is to mount bigger tires and leave the suspension in the neutral geometrical state in which full balanced suspension travel is maintained. In order for the tires to fit the body, the body can be cut or raised; the body lift. One of the arguments against this procedure is center of mass being relocated. Only the body mass is raised. Most bodies do not weigh that much for this to be a concern. ..... With a suspension lift the mass is also raised but the suspension is now not tuned to handle that mass in the most stable manner. The center of gravity relocation is not a valid argument against a body lift as the COG is also raised with a suspension lift. ... There is a wrong way to perform a body lift and also a correct one. ..... Almost all Dakar vehicles had their bodies lifted to clear the tire's travel after the suspension was tuned for travel and loads. .... Baja vehicles are built around the suspension and the bodies are then placed to fit the travel and load..... So, why is a body lift a terrible idea that should be avoided? There are far bigger negative consequences with rooftop tents and hundreds of pounds of unnecessary bolt on gear.
Was thinking about going to a 6 inch with a diff drop on my f150 because of the increase in tire size it allows but might just get a new 3 inch lift (assuming that’s what was on it originally) but not sure how I can get bigger tires on it then
What is a ground clearance that the average joe can get away with while doing MODERATE off-road activities, but no rock crawling. I’ve got just about 9-10” from the lowest part of my truck to the ground
I'm buying a new Tundra. Thanks for the detailed tips. I'm definitely not going to be racing or rock crawling. My goal is to go backcountry exploring and camping with my mountain bikes. Mostly N. America, maybe up to Alaska.
do you feel like bilstien 5100 2.5" lift kit would work to achieve 35" tires. Also have you found the driver side front sits lower than the passenger side? I have had people comment putting a spacer to compensate.
Newby, 06 Cherokee AWD hemi. Can you suggest lift. Plan do as much as I can off road without compromising being an every day driver, tent on top so added weight.
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Question do I really need to regear my 07 tacoma 4x4 with 285/75/16? I dont crawl maybe minor if anything and moderate off-roading and trails nothing extreme.?
@@MrHighdro21 So basically that is a 33" tire... I don't think you NEED to re-gear for 33's. That's not to say that you wouldn't see some slight performance improvements but you are definitely below the threshold of having to re-gear. I'm in the same spot on the Tundra... obviously it has a bigger engine and is made for towing... so it pushes 35's fine... I could re-gear... but i wont until I go to 37's. Your cut off is probably if you ever went any bigger at all...
Cool cool. Thanks for the input. Been hearing alot online about trucks struggling and more stress on tranny ect so ive stayed at 265 which looks skimpy but work good
I just wanted to say I was wanting to lift of 4th gen 4runner and was looking for info everywhere for days and your video gave me the chunk of knowledge I needed to start looking at what I really need!!!! Your videos are awesome definitely recommending
How many HP do you need to overland or offroad? Is it HP or torque? Is 300 hp enough?
Who here wants to throw up when they see a 6in lifted truck with massive 22in deep dish wheels?
The reality is they are paying good money to play a different game... if that’s what makes you happy go for it... but that is a form over function game and I don’t play that game.
@@OutdoorAuto I wish more people would have that mindset. I shake my head when I see it, sometimes laugh a little, but hey, it makes them happy. Their money, their enjoyment. I will never talk down on someone on the internet that did some crazy suspension and tire combo that doesn't suit my lifestyle. If someone wants to slam a 1st gen 4runner and they did it right, hell yeah. If someone wants to lift a Tacoma to the sky with 1 inch of rubber on the rims, if it's done right, hell yeah. Someone does a huge spacer lift... I might say something encouraging them to do it right.
@@originalname9999 Yeah, I agree. To each their own. With this channel I am just trying to use it to save people money... no matter how much money you have for a build... there are pitfalls to avoid that waste time and money. It really can be so confusing now days... so many options and of course all of them say they are good and somewhere there will be a forum post that says its amazing... I guess maybe I am dumb enough to think that bring the conversation back to the fundamentals will hopefully help people.
I used to talk down those trucks, then I thought, at least that truck is being taken care of so I can have a clean platform to build off of in a few years. I’m all about function over form so I don’t fully understand, but whatever floats their boat.
I call them roller skate trucks. my son and i always get a laugh out of them.
Great video. Someone who understands and gets it. Something else people don't get is payload capacity.
I have seen a lot of "overlanders" that by the time they add racks, tents, rotopax, passengers, supplies and all that jazz, they are either maxed out, or way over. You have to think about what you are doing, and then do it right. Remember, just because a vehicle does it, doesn't mean it's doing it right.
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I talk a lot about weight... as a guy that can use just about any gear I want, I still find myself trying to slim down my kit and simplify as much as possible to keep the weight down... it isn't any fun to Wheel a Heavy truck/Overloaded truck. Payload is huge...
Thanks for the great content. I am new to overlanding and off-roading and learning a lot from just watching a few of your videos. Good luck on the channel and keep it coming!
Thanks... Just dropped a new video on Overlanding storage... hopefully that one is helpful too.
I got two additional leaf springs on each side of my taco. After last year we were out on trip for 1.5 months. I saw a bit of a sag sometimes w my bed rack, rtt and loaded w camp gear. Prob solved to the budget that was good for me.
I don’t even own an Offroad vehicle but I want to someday and your video made a lot of sense even for someone like me who has absolutely no idea what lift kits and UCA and all that jazz is for. Personally I wouldn’t lift my own vehicle higher than what it needs to be. I’m not planning on doing any rock crawling with my future vehicle too so I might not even need any of these. But thanks for the very informative video.
Great video! I wish I had seen this before I upgraded my suspension in September. haha. I wouldn't have upgraded my UCA's, but would have gone for the remote reservoir ICON shocks instead of the regular coilovers. Live and learn I guess! Keep up the great content dude! Maybe see you on the trails someday.
How do you feel about your icon choice? I have been looking at the icon stage 2 and keep going back and forth with different options. Thank you!
@@gordonwinn1973 they have done extremely well over the last 25k miles. Definitely more of a firm sports car feel on the road and far better stability off-road. Rides higher in the travel in slow off-road stuff which helps prevent hitting rocks from the suspension compressing too much. I really liked them. Only advice would be to check your clearances on the rear lower shock mounts at full droop as well as the anti-sway bar ends at full lock and droop.
What suspension kit would you recommend for an overlanding fj..
With roof top tent ,awning ,drawers, fridge, water tank
Car will go through many trails dunes, mountains, basic to medium rock crawling, dirt roads, gravel roads and will cross thousands of miles to reach camping situations.
I currently run a stage 1 fox suspension installed by arctic trucks
But with all the weight i added as soon as the road gets bumpy everything in the vehicle is flying all over the place now while it's fun for short distances the longer routes sap out all the energy
And whats the difference between a single bypass double triple and is one really better over the other
Great videos by the way very detailed and to the point
When you get into Medium level Rock crawling is kinda where I draw that line and move over to MT tires. Even if they are heavier in those cases you usually will need the traction and the stronger sidewall. Obviously an AT tire is great for running the amount of mile you are talking about... but don't get stranded on the rough trails. From your description it sounds like you are doing Expedition level stuff on rough terrain... if thats true and MT or a Hybrid would be the way to go.
On the suspension for the FJ's when you get into serious wheeling you need to be able to account for all your added weight which unfortunately pushes you into pricier options that have more adjustability. Obviously Both Kings and ICON have kits... I would look into the ICON stage 3-5 kits... they definitely aren't cheap... but it will solve your issues.
Bypasses are critical if you want a shock that can perform on and off-road... here is a great article that breaks it down. More by-passes just adds additional dampening layers to a shock - 4wheelsandamotor.com/technology/bypass-shocks-explained/
@@OutdoorAuto thanks mate for the detailed feedback, yup exactly it's more expedition what I am doing exploring new routes
Will take a look at the link thanks buddy
Really helpful! Thanks loads! Looking for a decent suspension lift for my Rav4 TRD 2021.
So you don't think uca's are necessary when upgrading your shocks? I'm worried about stress on my stock ball joints. I don't do a lot of off roading, but will occasionally. I'm running a 21 Colorado Z71 and looking at upgrading shocks. you don't think doing uca's at same time as shocks is necessary? It would save me about $1000 lol.
The max functional lift is 8” on most vehicles, and longer arms ect for functional travely
That’s debatable. Your raising the center of gravity a lot when you could fit the same sized tires on a smaller lift
@@BasedPony , unless you’re mud bogging a smaller lift is better for performance for most crawling/ over landing situations
Andrew Melton I agree
@@BasedPony or else you’re just destroying ball joints and tie rods
How did you fit 35s on without scrubbing the frame? You mention something about a frame chop, but could you go into more detail about that?
35's fit on a Tundra fine with just a 2.5" - 3' lift and using a rim with minimal offset... My rims are a +1 Offset. You don't have to do the BMC (Body Mount Chop) unless you are going with 37's+ or are trying to get that wide stance and running rims with large negative offsets... -44 Offset is pretty popular more in the Mall Crawler crowd and those will rub because you are pushing the tire well out past the fender and it wont be able to tuck in the area made for a tire to tuck.
While I won't be doing one, body lifts are a much better alternative to spacer lifts for ground clearance. They look goofy but they don't effect geo. Curious on your thoughts
The main problem with them in newer vehicles is the usually stress your electrical harness... there is almost no slack in them... so body lifts can lead to electrical failures over time... especially if you wheel your vehicle.
@@OutdoorAuto fair enough. I never thought if it from that angle
Are block lifts/level kits ok if you are keeping stock shocks?
I really wouldn't recommend it. The problem is it changes the geometry of your suspension system on shocks that already aren't the most robust. There are affordable suspension lifts for a lot of vehicles that cost about 2x the spaces and level kits... Bilstein has some pretty good, affordable options for a lot of vehicles.
Thoughts on sumo spring for a Tundra?
Never checked sumo spring out yet... I will have to do that.
Awesome content, question tho, ive got a bone stock 04 f150 crew cab, what would you recommend i get suspensionwise that would be compatible for overlanding?
Depends on what you are going to do... Suspension is all about optimization for a specific driving condition.
@@OutdoorAuto right just as you explained, sorry, i do plan to haul around a rooftop tent in excess of 100 pounds all the time, and probably 400 or so of gear, i certainly dont plan for any racing, just mediumish difficulty trails with lots of rocks and whatnot, i just cant figure out whats a reputable brand for an F150 as the ones you listed only make systems for specific models, and as you said dont cheap out lol.
@@HazardWolfCorp Check out the Facebook Group Full-size Overland... there are a bunch of F150 owners in there that have tested a LOT of gear. That is where I would start. Post a pick of your truck and as your questions. Its a good group and it will get you a head start. facebook.com/groups/fullsizeoverland
@@OutdoorAuto thank you so much!
best overlanding comment EVER: "spend the money on going places...good food..with good people.". Thanks so much for the honesty and real-world approach. Subscribed!
Thanks... that is the goal... spend good time, with good people.
You don’t need to buy all the gear in the magazine to go camping.
Been there done that. This guy is honest and everything on point.
wow... thanks. I am trying to be honest and helpful. Hopefully people get that.
I’ve watched 100 overland videos and this was the most useful 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Glad it was helpful!
Finally someone who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to overland builds
I like your cadence and you’re easy to listen to, I’d cut the music out honestly. Thanks for the info
Thanks for the feedback.
I don't mind the music. It's at a good volume and I honestly didn't notice and I was focused on what you were saying. Any louder and it wouldn't work
If you have questions feel free to leave a comment and we will try and get back to you. More build component videos coming soon... make sure to subscribe to get notified when they come out.
Any Advise on a 2010 tahoe suspension. Looking for a more leveled look, but want to be able to run the “jeep trails” on the farm, and still be able to tow the boat, and enjoy a comfortable drive on road where I spend most of my time.
Any advise helps
Great videos man!
I was wondering, what size tires do you run?
@@xXJeepsXx I run 35's on the Tundra. I have a full vehicle walk through video here - ruclips.net/video/ZtJ56qvCflU/видео.html
@@robertmcghee1463 I have to say I have never worked with a Tahoe... the main thing to avoid would be the non-suspension leveling solutions. those make your ride trash. You will also need to verfy anything you add will play nice with Towing... I would hit the forums... every truck, SUV generally has a forum out there and see what is popular... then I would verify with the Manufacturer that it fits your full set of needs.
@@OutdoorAuto how do you feel about 37s in the tundra? Most people say it’s to much work, some say it’s not hard at all. Like to get your input. I’m trying to decide how to move forward with on my tundra. Set up for 35” or plan out for 37”(depending on cost) like to here
Also keep in mind when you get 35s you may not be able to keep the stock spare tire location and have to take up space or spend a ton on a new mount location.
Oh Yes... so true. This is why having a plan is so key.
You can but you need to cut or hammer the tabs for 35s.
So true, the Rigd UltraSwing will be one of my next purchases for my 4Runner.
Would OME or King suspension be better for hauling around fat chicks?
From someone who’s just learning about all this, this was very helpful. Thanks!
Dude, you share some really solid insight in this video. It’s no nonsense and these are points that most people don’t think about. You are absolutely right. People get enamored with overbuilt trucks and this video politely points out what is superfluous and is just super practical. I love it.
Thanks… hey next time you’re in Idaho we should meet up.
@@OutdoorAuto Absolutely, that would be awesome.
For my Tacoma I did a month of research into the best lift kit for my needs. At 1st I wanted the whole fox/kings 3 inch lift race setup and spend about 5,000. After looking at the forums and what im really going to be doing with the vehicle I went with a more modest suspension lift kit that I can use my stock UCAs on and spend more money on things I really needed to complete the build. I went with the Bilstein 6112, 5160 suspension setup for about 1100, rooftop tent 1000, wheels 1000, tires 1200, leaf springs 600, bed rooftop tent rack 400. I spent about what I would have on my whole build over what just that lift kit would have cost me.
This is a really good write up... You could actually do a great video/walk around that would be great for a lot of peoples needs... Overkill suspension for your needs vs a complete overland build. Pretty cool.
I would love to see finished pics of your build. Yours sounds exactly like what I would love to have. I'd love to be able to go offroad and explore, but I'm not about to drop $$$ for a crazy rock crawler. I just want to take my family in the great outdoors without banging up my daily driver. Do you have an instagram account people can follow?
What leaf springs did you end up going with?
Really appreciate this video. I’ve been doing some research on overlanding builds for my Tacoma for a little while, and this was easily the most helpful video I’ve come across. Explained everything throughly and gives great insight on what direction(s) people can take.
I've found that the airbags that fit inside the coil springs in the back of an SUV can be very helpful for overlanding. They stablize the load well, and don't hinder travel much at all if run at medium psi.
If you lift your 4WD and it has solid axles you only increase the approach angle the only what to increase your clearance (diff to ground) is by increasing the wheel/tire size.
Tires will always be the "truest" form of lift for sure.
Did what I did... paid for TRD off road package then dumped it.. 😂 Lesson learned.
just got mine and looking into suspension lift kits. now realizing the same thing. at least we got TRD on our seats and badges lol
@@ImSneakyy right 😂
But what if I bought a truck with a 4inch lift (4inch spacer) and have 34inch tires on it 😢 I'm screwed
Of course, if you want to drive around with a uber suspension system and never use it.
Cool, you do you boo. Second cool and all that.
HAHAHA holy shit I died laughing on the opening indecision warning
I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just have that clearance from the factory. They literally push Tacoma's and Tundra's as off-road vehicles but you can't put bigger tires on without doing a CMC
Let's add a decent AT tire too!
THANK YOU! I am in my planning phase and have been looking for rebuildable shocks. I'm all for "buy once, cry once" when it comes to vehicles. My plan is a "prepared build" instead of the "over-kill build." I've seen too many people build a "SEMA truck," break the bank in the process, and destroy their vehicle. Something I have yet to hear anyone talk about is experience in off-roading. I think the lack of knowing what to do off-road is responsible for 90% of the bad things that happen.
You hit on a lot of important points here. I think Seat time, behind your own rig is a HUGE deal... understanding what it can do easily and what will be a strain... How to use power and momentum appropriately... like you said... a lot comes down to experience not upgrades.
This is actually why all I did to my ranger was 31" tires. I have decent clearance even now that it's v8 swapped
Hey Nathan - a well presented and informed real life tutorial - glad you discovered some great outback trekking gear designed here in Australia. The Canning Stock route is my next trip once we get to Covid free travel - After many years of running nine Subarus I have acquired a stock 2010 Hilux Diesel auto with plans to setup for outback touring - thanks for excellent advice - John in South Australia.
Good luck with the Hilux build... I wish we had good diesel options over here.
Australia 🇦🇺 “once you’re free”
I certainly hope you get there. AU is fucking batshit crazy with covid lockdown.
@@T25de yes it’s crazy here where states are blocking others at the borders assuming that zero Covid cases is the only option for freedom 😒
@@johnnumbat9782
Such a bummer!
It’s like a crazy nightmare and B movie plot come to life
I hope Aussie people take their country back from the insane asylum.
Probably one of the most useful videos I’ve watched since getting my truck.
Awesome, glad it was helpful. We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.
This was super informative. Just got a 20 Tacoma 4wd DCLB that I want to set up for truck camping off-grid. 3" total lift is what I was thinking and you absolutely confirmed this. OME shocks was also on my radar with an AAL. Nice to hear from an expert that I'm on the right track. Appreciate it!
Glad it was helpful!
I agree that you shouldn't go crazy with lift height. However there is something to be said for having a higher breakover angle, especially on a long 4 door pickup truck. Even if you can stuff 35in or 37in tires under your 3in lift, it won't do you any good if you get high centered or hung up on a cross member.
And while i also agree that you should try to avoid dropping the front diff, that is much more desirable that having a low breakover angle. You should be putting your tires on the high points in the trail rather than trying to clear them between the tires.
I'm building an overland Tacoma and this video is so awesome. Thanks
Good luck with your build.
This was so helpful, thank you! New to this game!!
I own a 14' Tundra CM and have Bilstein 5100 F/R on it (set the front to top set 2.28") and added the SPC UCA (one of my biggest mistakes I've ever made when after removing previous owners 3 inch rough country lift spacer but I have a better UCA in the long run and to late to sell it so wth, might as well keep it, spend to much $ already on it), added spidertrax 1.25" on it (because of my previous 275/65r20 tire rubbing the SPC UCA and rubbing the passenger side body mount area. I am currently still on my stock TSS rims and 275/60r20 KO2's), and still have the 1" dif drop + 1" block (from previous owner).
Personally I've always loved the TSS rims but when going off roading I really rely on sidewall and even today looking at my trucks KO2's sidewall, its not so great. So I will have to buy a smaller rim either 17 or 18 most likely 17's.
My current plans as of right now (3-4 yrs down the road, hence payment around that time will be done yet also tires will be worn out around those yrs timespan) are to save up and finish paying off my Tundra then most likely I'll change to 285/70r17 for more sidewall yet also to avoid doing a BMC/CMC, I know all about it but I really don't wanna deal and touch that area so I'd would rather buy new rims & tires than doing a BMC/CMC.
When I saw those EMU shocks then clicked the link, my god there expensive for my budget and to much for me, I would rather stick with my Bilstein 5100's because I abuse them a lot when I go off roading and use them as daily driving as well as there really reliable and very at a minimum cost to buy new ones. They never let me down.
Dude Bilstein 5100's are awesome... not everyone needs a Desert Racing Shock. I like your plan. Definitely go for the 17" rims... I will be on those some day. They are tight, but fit on the Tundra.
This guy is the best on RUclips for a great understanding of overlanding stuff.
Appreciate the support... I am working on a bunch of new informative overland videos right now... should se them coming out over the next couple weeks.
The only thing I regret about starting my build, is now being to broke to finish my build. So what a lot of people do when they get lifted springs, they don’t think of the location of the spring shackles. The shackle hanger needs to be relocated to carry weight. It’s pronounced eem-you.
If I ever do a video with Old Man EMU stuff again I will get it right. Good luck with your build.
I've got a 2016 TRD Pro with the OEM upgraded Bilstein shocks. Would the later model Fox shocks be an upgrade for me or did Toyota go to Fox shocks to save money?
Fox makes some killer shocks but they make a wide range from entry level to professional race shocks… definitely they have stuff for all ranges.
1. have a plan
2. pick a better suspension system than factory
3. avoid spacers and leveling kits
4. keep your lift as low as you need for the terrain you explore
5. follow the rules (dont cut corners)
Number 4 has me really intrigued….I’ve been seriously thinking this over and common sense tells me why you would say that but do you mind explaining the reasoning behind it?
@xc_niner615 those are what the video covers in that order
Travel state parks on the weekends, like exploring dirt roads, pine barrens especially here in NJ. Thinkin bout old man emus heavy load 2 inch lift on my 2015 Tacoma sitting on 32s. Believe it should give me the capability without having to re-gear or worry about the geometry of things
I ran a similar setup on a 4Runner… it was awesome.
Even the base OME Kit is fantastic.
My buddy has run their base kits for years on his FJ... and it has been to Panama and back mostly on Dirt roads... I really do like their stuff.
1 year on, have you changed the advice for a newbie? As a Land Rover Defender owner, I have standard suspension, which works well, in fact the whole set up is pretty much standard, I have added helper springs and Anti-roll bars. The reaon for these choices is simple, overlanding is not off roading, it is vehicle dependent, usually remote travel, therefore you want components you cna get anywhere. A fair amount of the advice you give is relevent to all, off roaders, racers and overlanders, but not all. I agree with what you say about a lift and destabilising the vehicle and staying as low as you can to do what you need to do. ps, I have ran a D1 on rock crawls and off road courses, most of the tricks to getting over/through obsticles is where you put the vehicle. 🙂
You are right - when it comes to off roading, it is probably 80% driver... 20% Gear.... After doing this for years probably the main thing I can say is most people are overbuilding and under adventuring. My builds have trended toward more extreme, but so have my trips - I really like extremely remote, very bad roads... simple reason is I usually get to go somewhere almost nobody else goes. The real trick is getting people to build to their actual use and not their perceived use. It sounds to me like you have hit that sweet spot really well.
The lack of ground clearance improvement with a diff drop is the same as with a solid axle.
True... I guess that is why at least for overlander style lifts... the truest lift is going to be your tires.
@@OutdoorAuto coming from the Jeep world (2 “XJ” models) I always looked at the only purpose of a lift was fitting bigger tires. Granted I did technical but relatively mild offroad trails, nothing at high speed, so suspension wasn’t a huge deal.
Love the video, definitely on-point regarding keeping things as low as possible, something a lot of people seem to miss. I haven’t done much with my Ram yet, but with the Jeeps it was pretty remarkable what they would do bone-stock. I only got stuck twice, and both were due to insufficient tire.
Yeah! The improved approach, break over and departure angles are pointless when you do the big lifts with the differential drop!🙄😂🤣 It’s all about being able to get your front differential over an obstacle, only to get the rear diff caught up right. Real trucks have solid axles. I have yet to see a lifted vehicle that can use a bigger tire without a 6”+ lift without bumper and fender mods. I totally agree with tucking the biggest tire with the least lift you can.
Thank you for your informative vlog, I recently purchased a used TRD Pro Fox suspension to replace the OEM shocks on my TRD Off-Road (28k, $550). Many people laughed at me and told me I would regret buying it as it was non adjustable and a poor system to do a lift. I spent a lot of time researching and was honest with what type of driving I do and felt that the suspension would be a great upgrade as most of my off road is unmaintained ranch roads, forestry trails, and mild two tracks and I really didn't feel I needed a big lift. I have skids and sliders on 265/75 16's with high clearance bumpers. I am planning on installing a AAD, which will give me a back a little rake, and work with the extra weight I carry when loaded with gear. So far I felt I made a good decision, and after listening to this vlog, I even feel better about my decision.
Sounds like a great setup... sliders and skids aren't utilized enough in my opinion... Yes I could lift my truck 3 more inches and I would rarely hit them... but that is what they are there for... I slide around on my rock sliders ALL the time... they do the job... protect the truck and help keep my nice on low to the ground.
Knowing progressive (fox, king) vs digressive (icon) suspension setup is a good thing to understand for peoples application as well.
Great point... I may have to do a short video just on this.
This video cleared up a lot and now I know which direction to go with my 07 FJ cruiser, thanks!
So glad it was helpful - BTW If you have ever had questions on offroad/overland Jacks... check out the new video that just went live.
Buying a gen 2 sequoia.. want to install 33 inch tires. Prefer to keep any lift to 2 inches ... maybe 2.5 if I have to.. i have heard about the land cruiser rear springs.. does that sound like the start of a plan.. not trying to do too technical or rock crawling. Want to be able to deal with some mud or gravel roads.. dont have amazing off road driving skills so I want to start carefully and see how I like going out overlanding on tame stuff.
You should get by fine staying under 3" lift... 33's should be great, definitely don't worry about going bigger.
Same truck don’t off-road, tow a 20 foot trailer is a piggy back reservoir shock or a single shock which is best?
For towing… you probably just want an adjustable airbag for the rear.
Psa for any tundra owners out there, 2.5" front lift with bilstien 6112 and fit 35s no trimming needed or BMC at all. Toyo OC AT3 285/75R18
On the truck walk around I cover that 35's fit on Tundras without chopping.... for some reason there is a lot of confusion about this out there.
@@OutdoorAuto ah didn't catch that. But there definitely is a lot of conflicting info on this out there!
I have a 2007 tundra crewmax with bilstein 5100 on the top setting giving me a little over 2" lift...is there any guide out there telling me max tire size? all the tire shops tell me 33" yet many say 34 or even 35" how do I figure this out before purchase?? Also, if I increase offset can I increase the width tire allowed? Thanks a ton for your help, striking out to baja on January one and want to get it right the first time!
First rule people should keep in mind is to stop confusing overlanding with four wheel driving. One can literally overland on a Vespa or a unicycle. Choose / build the vehicle for the purpose not your ego.
Yup - it is all about purpose built machines.
Some really great points!! Just filmed on this topic as well this weekend haha I liked the "Make sure your Upgrades , Upgrades your vehicle "
Seems obvious... but you get what I’m saying. Ppl keep doing awful things to these trucks.
Nate so I'm getting ready to buy a buddies 02 4Runner it has a lift already on it , I want to put an ARB bumper on it do I need anything so I don't break anything on my Runner? I'm a total newb
I would check out this video - it goes through an early check list for Overlanding and offroad - ruclips.net/video/FNuiMVD2Huk/видео.html - ARB bumpers are solid but I would check out some of the other companies as well. There are a lot of good bumpers for 4Runners.
this is a great video. I'm doing a small lift on my subaru just to get to my Tree stand for deer season.
I love my OME coilovers they are 2.5" which are great for overlanding.
OME makes great stuff... I have run a lot of their suspension over the years.
Man great info! I see guys and girls in there new trucks with 20inch wheels and a 5 inch lift? It just looks silly and has no purpose other that looks! But if that what you are into go for it!
If people love making mall crawlers, by all means go for it if you have the money.... but for sure don't make the mistake in thinking a mall crawler is optimized for Overlanding...
Great explanation. Thank you
Awesome, hope it was helpful. We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.
Easily one of the best videos I’ve come across. Informative, educational, honest. Love it. Thank you.
Thanks for watching... so glad it was helpful.
Don’t normally comment. I feel compelled to say I appreciate common sense reasoning for budgeting a kit designed for usage. I’ve stayed patient to do my due diligence for budgeting quality product per usage. This video spelled a lot of for myself as a beginner and I thank you for that.
Thanks for the tips! I have a 3" lift with the stock suspension on my Tacoma, and I've been impressed w what it can do.
How’d you manage a 3” lift with stock suspension?
Spacers ?
I recently bought my first 4x Tacoma. So I’m curious 🧐
@@GrmpaJAyou can lift them no problem, but once you get on a trail you may have problems.
Really great job bro on your video... I've set up several similar trucks including my current and previous Toyota Tundra. You make all the points that I also try to covey to my friends that want to lift or set up a overland truck. I did want to add something if nobody else had on the air bag thing which I always add and am a big fan. Instead of connecting the bottom portion of the bag as per design to the axle which in fact limits your articulation what I do is use cradles. That way u get the advantages of bags without limits of travel. Daystar makes the ones I've used. Anyway just wanted add to the outstanding information you have provided for others 👍
I love the honesty of this video. Thanks!!
Thanks you for watching and the feedback... an honest look at all this stuff is definitely what we are going for. More videos coming soon.
I thought that bumb stops were against the law?
I don't know where you are... but definitely not out here in the Western US... heck they are even legal in California where everything related to car modifications is hard.
Great advice, I would like to see a video on the pro's and con's of larger tires, ground clearance vs weight and drive train stress.
In the works
Nice, I always found funny and sketchy when I saw those trucks extra lifted but with that big metal bar hanging low 😅
Gonna start with new wheels, rack and clam.
That is great... I think one of the main points of this video is that people shouldn't rush into suspension. A lot of times what the truck came with will work just fine. Down the road once you get miles and trips with the Family under your belt you may change your mind... but first order of business is always just getting out there and having fun.
@Cory Casarez I totally agree... even though a lot of our videos are about gear... The actual point of the channel is for people to just get out, save some money... spend the money doing things with people you love... Have a plan.. and get only what you need... nothing else.
Nathan Mueller I appreciate this attitude in this community. I purchased a 4Runner about a year ago with grand plans for high end suspension and huge tires and aftermarket front locker and... the list goes on.
After getting out and using it stock, I’m shocked at how capable this thing is with a decent set of tires!
I echo this attitude all the time! Get out and use your vehicle as it is right now. Find it’s limits. Only upgrade the things that are actually limiting you on the trail.
Nathan.
Using your videos I upgraded my 2017 Tundra to the Bilstein 6112s up front 2 1/2" lift, 5100s in the rear with 1" rear lift.
It rides and drives better than before if you ask me. I was able to sell the old coils and shocks to recoup some money.
You videos gave me the knowledge to move forward.
This "overlanding" the new yuppie trend to be a "man"?
I guess it depends on why and how you do it.
i am new subscribe love you video i build my overland 92 land cruiser
Thanks for watching - 🙏
I’d have to disagree, a lot of times body lifts are the easiest way to fit bigger tires. And you should definitely consider it
I’m always up for ppl disagreeing... one thing with body lifts is most overlanders are running newer cars (-/+ 20 years)... so a body lift generally equals a lot of wiring work if it’s done right... the labor on newer cars, to do a body lift usually more than pays for a better suspension lift.
@@OutdoorAuto ahhh, didnt know that, makes sense now. Cause i see a lot of body lifts on older vehicles like mine and never stopped to think why people dont do it to new cars.
I love driving a low, long wheelbase, stable rig. Climbing the steepest climbs, and side hilling like a champ. But the horrible breakover angle will make some obstacles impassable, and is the price you pay for having a low stable rig. Knowing what you are driving, picking the right lines, skid plates, or full belly pan and momentum all help.
Agree with all of this... I have had to get through obstacles with just momentum before... that is definitely why armor matters... If you are going to wheel hard in a truck this big I would definitely get the gas skid... that seems to always be the area that gets hung up... and like you said... pick your lines and have a good spotter.
Are there any over landing vehicles or videos out there about vehicle’s other than a Toyota forerunner or Toyota Tacoma’s don’t people, Overland and other vehicle’s I want to see those videos where are those?
Great advice. I have an ome lift on my Xterra. Bought a 22 frontier which will become an overland rig.
I love Xterra's... You can Titan swap the front end on those and fit 35's pretty easily and then they can take a beating.
@@OutdoorAuto for sure! I just ordered a 2.5" dobinson lift for the frontier 😁
I’ve found that OME doesn’t make any kits for F150s, so I’ve seen other brands like Rancho, Eibach, and Bilstein. They have kits some inexpensive kits with new rear shocks and front struts, are those worth it or should I really be spending closer to $1000 for a kit with coil overs?
Hello good Sir!
I'll be honest here:
I'm almost in tears when finished watching your video; For years and years I've been watching and reading about suspension for the build that my wife and I wish to start building and in all videos, all I've found was the same approach "oh! look what I got for my truck a 3" dick and will hang from here to here, oh! look at this brand new set up of balls for my truck" just dumb and macho show off people bragging about expensive gear but without having a clue that they could hurt the public that is in need of good and down to earth info to do a really good build without spending all of their savings or getting into big numbers in the credit cards.
There's no enough word to thank you, for your honest-down2earth and concise opinion about what we actually need and look for in order to get the actual parts to do a "perfect" build without overkilling the build. Have safe travels and always good days to enjoy the outdoors, you have earned a new subscriber, looking forward to more vids!
THANK YOU!
😂 you sound like a hater 😂
You are a treasure, as your information is solid! Thanks so much for uploading your videos!
ok so I am not big on Toyota but by choice. How ever I do have a 22 Ford 150 Power boost FX4. I looked at OLD MAN EMU suspension, I learned they do not make any suspention stuff for my truck. F-250 and 350's they do. I don't need a truck that HD. plus I am not spending 100k on a truck that do not come with 7.2k generator systems. My point on my comment is. who else makes a good suspension kit for my truck with out puck up to increase my height. I want to build a light trail rig. nothing to rock climb. I just wanna go places that a avg truck and RV cant go...... looking for a off road RV as well so I will need tow ability. Thanks y'all
What tire size and lift height do you suggest for a 3rd gen Tacoma? My truck came with a 3” lift and 285/75/r16 from the previous owner. It’s ridiculously high IMO and the tires eat up MPG. I was wondering if I really need those tires. I’d also upgrade my suspension and would like to a 2” lift ideally. But I’m not sure if that will work with the current tires. If I downsize my tires I will lose ground clearance. Planning on doing overlanding through national parks and some Forrest dirt roads/loose gravel etc. not heavy rock climbing at all.
Great videos, great advice. Subscribed.
Awesome, hope it was helpful. We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.
Hi Nathan! A very helpful video! I’d like your opinion on how I should build out my 2012 FJ Cruiser Trail Teams Special Edition; which is currently mostly stock. I plan on Overlanding established trails - no intentional rock climbing. I will put steel front and rear steel bumpers along with a roof top tent. What suspension would you recommend and possible UCAs? I’m leaning towards a 2.5 inch lift with Toytec Alumas along with Ironman UCAs. Thoughts or advice?
I own a 2015 Silverado 2500hd and I am doing an overland build on it. I already have a rack and tent but otherwise besides fox 2.0 ifp shocks and 35s. The truck is stock suspension wise. I looked at kibbetech which does prerunner stuff for my body style 2500hd and they sell a leveling coil over conversion kit for my truck and a bunch of other stuff like hydrolic bump stops. But all together would be about $12k before tax. It would improve everything about my truck and make it an amazing 2500hd overland rig. I would prefer to do there long travel stuff but that would cost me $30k before tax. I think the $12k option would be best and with this truck being already as big as it is. It would be best to do the non long travel because if I did the long travel it would become wider. And I almost barely fit going up Imogene pass in Colorado stock.
2004 tacoma, crew cab.
Plan to use as work truck with estimated 1000lbs in the bed
using water tanks at the job site. Also thinking Bilstern 5100 front and rear.
However, OME-9804TAC - Old Man Emu Tacoma Suspension (98-04 Tacoma)
Front and rear with leaf springs might be smart choice...???
RR
A diff drop isn’t the worst thing in the world, esp if you’re on a budget. Cost of an aftermarket bumper or bumper spacers, cab mount chop, and possibly a new skid plate is a LOT more than a diff drop.
This is a good point... It really does depend on your plan and what you are trying to build. On a Tundra... an after market bumper in the front buys you a ton of extra clearance... its all about priorities and a plan.
Don't be the squirrel :)
Nathan Mueller 100%. Great video btw. You made some excellent points about center of gravity many forget to mention. One thing though about airbags and offroading-I’d recommend Daystar cradles. While not “recommended” by some airbag manufacturers, they will help from your bags tearing.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I've got a 2007 f350 cc dually diesel 4x4. Stock. Wondering what size lift amd tires you would recommend? My goal would be pan american in stints over several years. Probably a palomino type pop up camper. First stint starting in Cali and up to Alaska. I would love to get the most travel with lowest COG. Cut fenders or whatever is fine with me. Thanks again for sharing! :)
What do you say for full size rig abour level kits? You say donr do it but i want to fit 35s but a 2.5 increase in my front gets me to them tires bur il srill going to replace everything and freshen up the leafs and spend the money on remote reservoirs. I dont think i want 37s and need a 4inch lift for that
Nice channel , nice delivery, pleasant commentary with good knowledge, BUT BUT BUT BUT. .... Why is a body lift a terrible idea that should be avoided at all cost, @ 3:11? I agree with your statements on suspension mods but not this one. The suspension geometry is carefully designed for each vehicle and as such it cannot be talked about in a general manner. My vehicle has fully independent suspension . Many popular vehicles are equipped with IFS. Many more are solid axle. Each of these designs are sensitive to " suspension lifts" as they change the geometry in a undesirable way. There are at least 4 negative results achieved by suspension lifts as they are commonly performed. A deeper study of suspension geometry and how it works will show this. ..................The best way to increase the ground clearance is to mount bigger tires and leave the suspension in the neutral geometrical state in which full balanced suspension travel is maintained. In order for the tires to fit the body, the body can be cut or raised; the body lift. One of the arguments against this procedure is center of mass being relocated. Only the body mass is raised. Most bodies do not weigh that much for this to be a concern. ..... With a suspension lift the mass is also raised but the suspension is now not tuned to handle that mass in the most stable manner. The center of gravity relocation is not a valid argument against a body lift as the COG is also raised with a suspension lift. ... There is a wrong way to perform a body lift and also a correct one. ..... Almost all Dakar vehicles had their bodies lifted to clear the tire's travel after the suspension was tuned for travel and loads. .... Baja vehicles are built around the suspension and the bodies are then placed to fit the travel and load..... So, why is a body lift a terrible idea that should be avoided? There are far bigger negative consequences with rooftop tents and hundreds of pounds of unnecessary bolt on gear.
How much of this applies to an older leaf sprung vehicle with solid axles?
Was thinking about going to a 6 inch with a diff drop on my f150 because of the increase in tire size it allows but might just get a new 3 inch lift (assuming that’s what was on it originally) but not sure how I can get bigger tires on it then
What is a ground clearance that the average joe can get away with while doing MODERATE off-road activities, but no rock crawling. I’ve got just about 9-10” from the lowest part of my truck to the ground
I'm buying a new Tundra. Thanks for the detailed tips. I'm definitely not going to be racing or rock crawling. My goal is to go backcountry exploring and camping with my mountain bikes. Mostly N. America, maybe up to Alaska.
Enjoy the new truck!... I am working on a bunch of new informative overland videos right now... should se them coming out over the next couple weeks.
do you feel like bilstien 5100 2.5" lift kit would work to achieve 35" tires. Also have you found the driver side front sits lower than the passenger side? I have had people comment putting a spacer to compensate.
Newby, 06 Cherokee AWD hemi. Can you suggest lift. Plan do as much as I can off road without compromising being an every day driver, tent on top so added weight.