I feel like people tend to forget that Pariah can target opponent's creature and acts as a removal spell and fog effect. It's not that bad on Regent for exemple.
If playing against a deck that only has burn spells for removal the pariah cast onto your vindicator just wins the game because you can no longer take any damage ever and it all goes to your opponents face
Having Crim pilot Seth's against the odds decks is pure genius. We're so used to Seth being super positive when things work out, but I love seeing Crim's reactions to just drawing some of the cards. He's so flabbergasted
Crim just proved an important rule in Magic: make them have it. Yes, you should be smart, but if your choice is risk playing into what might be a counter or lose, always go for it.
The editing, little side commentary on these videos is out of this world good! Really sets it apart from other magic content channels. Also, of course love mtggoldfish and seth and crim, loving the collab.
Can we talk about in game three when Jamin only has 2 open mana, crim draws the 5th land, and could drop the Thalia to deny the counter spell and then play the Blastphamous act?
36:25 best line from Crim here was probably playing Thalia so that Jamin was locked out of counterspell and only had spellpierce as a possible counterspell then playing the Blasphemous Act with the remaining 3 mana. The line is weak to Lightning bolt, but then again so is waiting.
i will never be a control player... everything in me wanted crim to go for it. there are already 2 counterspells in the yard only 2 mana open.. just tax and JAM thats what i would have done but then again maybe i am not a good player xD
I think, it wouldnt have make him weak to Lightning Bolt. Because even if Jamin Bolts something, Crim can cast Thalia. Also: Between Thalia entering the Battlefield and casting Act, Jamin wouldnt have get priority again. So he could have only Bolt something before Thalia enters. :)
I feel like the editing on this channel manages to get a perfect balance that other channels miss. Like, The Command Zone also does special effects and cutaways where players talk about the game but they go over the top and do it too frequently and it makes me dislike their videos. This channel uses it just the right amount, it really adds to the video without distracting from the video. Same with card descriptions, you have a good sense of which cards need describing and which ones are common enough that people know them. Admittedly I did have to pause to read Mishra's Bauble but that's probably because my experience is with commander and I've never seen it played there. Also I love how you show the triggers on the stack and have the little reminders about delirium and other important things to track, it's another thing that would be very easy to overdo but you do it just enough that it adds to the experience without distracting from it. My only complaint is that I hate the sound of cards being flicked and I've had to stop some videos because of it.
I've built a version of this deck before. Another tech is Guilty Conscience, which goes infinite with either Stuffy or Vindicator. Toss in a couple boros charms and it can go infinite with Reckoner or Mogg Maniac as well.
While having an against the odds without hearing once "Ooooooponent" feels weird, it was a wonderful vid ! Thanks both Cardmarket and MtgGoldfish teams
I just built a stuffy doll style commander deck using Atla Pilani to flip them over when the eggs die, and have been ABSOLUTELY loving it. Glad to see the doll get some love 😄
There are really cool combo stuffy doll decks that used to be played around the time stuffy doll came out. I remember seeing some at my lgs back then. They are quite a bit different from this one though.
As a stuffy doll player, I've found via fnm at my lgs, that Spiteful Sliver is better than Boros Reckoner, and I am now shaved to not even running Stuffy Doll in the mainboard. Phyrexian Vindicator has proven incredible. I strongly suggest adding 4 of both Deafening Clarion and Burn Down the House. I have never run Thalia or stepmom, I initially decided to build the deck with more mass damage instead. I strongly suggest running Cleansing Wildfire, I even run a playset in my mainboard, I notably replaced 4 plains with 4 Flagstones of Trokair, I also run the Boros indestructible lands, making Cleansing Wildfire a reliable RAMP piece that I can also use as a land hate piece if necessary.
This is why Against the Odds is so great - the deck that should get crushed instead gets to shine just a little. So wonderful seeing two all-star channels team up to bring this level of content.
I was screaming at my screen for Crimm to go all in so much in that third game. I am very grateful that he did. Every single turn with all the surveil and conniving I was like ughhhh you just have to go for it. 😵💫
Thanks for putting so much love in every videi you make! That is to you, whoever is editing this video, but also to the whole team ! Putting so much energy into a magic game, doing those little breakdowns lf the situation and the thought processes...
that moment when at the end of the video you close full screen to like the video... but you remember you always snap-like cardmarket videos and the video is already liked
Love this series, saw another one, hope you guys keep doing this. Magic is pretty good but a meta or format where lots of eccentric decks could be competitive would be great, I like limited a lot but I feel like constructed is so one note but your giving me hope with this.
I love that stuffy deck. btw the cure for it, and indistructible decks, is Everlasting Torment. Card Name: Everlasting Torment Mana Cost: 2Black or Red Converted Mana Cost: 3 Types: Enchantment Card Text: Players can't gain life. Damage can't be prevented. All damage is dealt as though its source had wither. (A source with wither deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters.) Flavor Text: When night fell, the plane itself was scarred. Expansion: Commander 2016 (Rare) Commander 2016 Rarity: Rare All Sets: Shadowmoor (Rare) Commander 2016 (Rare) Card Number: 233 Artist: Richard Kane Ferguson
What about Chain Reaction in the side as well as additional Blasphemous Acts? Cast it sooner, might deal less damage but sometimes you just need to get Regent off the board :)
honestly I know very little about magic but i still watch like all the paper magic videos because I used to play magic many years ago, casually of course. One deck i'd like to see you guys run one of these days is a 2003 quarterfinalist goblin deck that was mostly red but splashed in some black primarily for patriarchal bidding. I have the deck physically so i'll post a full deck list sometime this week, i have no idea what format it even is.
If the cards have gold borders, then it's Wolfgang Eder's Goblins list from the 2003 world championships. The format is standard. We are inviting a special guest in a few weeks to record a bunch of gold bordered deck content :) we'll try to fit the golbin deck in!
26:44 missed out on a Ledger Shredder trigger for potential lethal that turn :P Jamin didn't have a spell to pitch to Connive in hand, but could have ordered triggers to resolve the DRC surveil first, then keep on top anything that's not a land or mill a land for another shot at finding a nonland to loot away and grow the Shredder, for that final point of damage :) GGs!
I don't care how flashy that Blasphemous Act was, I totally agree with that play all for reasons Crim gave, not to mention that it was a laugh so what the hell.
Game 2 was a little sloppy; After *Dress Down* resolves, all the red cards on the Stack go to the Graveyard normally. Also, a *Ledger Shredder* trigger was missed, meaning lethal could have been a turn sooner.
All I can think of when Stuffy Doll is brought up is my legacy otk gimmick deck. Basically it was just using all the mana ramp to cast Stuffy Doll, enchant it with Guilty Conscience, and then give Stuffy Doll haste so it can use its ability. Very much luck based and god help you if your opponent was playing any sort of counter spells or had a way to remove either combo piece. Anyway, Guilty Conscious is an old card from Scourge. A white aura that costs 1w and says "Whenever enchanted creature deals damage, Guilty Conscience deals that much damage to that creature." So when put on Stuffy Doll, it creates an infinite damage loop. Stuffy Doll deals one to itself, which causes Stuffy Doll to deal one to the opponent, which causes Guilty Conscience to deal one to Stuffy Doll, and repeat. I probably could have done something better by cheating Stuffy Doll into play instead of hard casting it, but this was when I was young and thus not exactly able to afford good cards.
Oof. Was rough to see that punt at 36:26 Could have cast Thalia, upping creature count from 6 to 7. If he has the counter, he no longer has the mana to play it. Blasphemous Act goes from 3 mana to... 3 mana. Which still allows you to go for it.
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Hey, that Pariah card is pretty good. It pitches to Solitude
I feel like people tend to forget that Pariah can target opponent's creature and acts as a removal spell and fog effect. It's not that bad on Regent for exemple.
If playing against a deck that only has burn spells for removal the pariah cast onto your vindicator just wins the game because you can no longer take any damage ever and it all goes to your opponents face
@@thehatebringer8005until they bring in bounce/dress down/ counter it to begin with
@@henryackerson7138 cool story didnt ask
@@henryackerson7138 "if playing against a deck that has only burn spells for removal..." Didnt know that dress down does burn damage?
instant thumbs up for the shot of Crim being shoved toward a Jamin wearing a crown
That Dress Down was absolutely brutal, great content team
Absolutely crushing
Those are format quitting moments right there.
I love how Jamin was going to walk Crim through the hypothetical ideal line, but ended up just getting to show him instead of tell him.
Real heart of the cards moment
That should have made blot not get exiled right?
That Thalia was almost as brutal as the old 'chalice on 1' that got Harry
Pretty sure it's spellt Hairy but yes.
Crimm played that Game 2 aiming for content, and content was what we got
Having Crim pilot Seth's against the odds decks is pure genius. We're so used to Seth being super positive when things work out, but I love seeing Crim's reactions to just drawing some of the cards. He's so flabbergasted
Fun fact, on that second to last turn, Crim could have cast Thalia and still B.A. That way Jamin couldn't have countered or dressed down in response.
Yup, that was the line!
he could have had unholy heat or bolt though, I saw the same line, but it might have been to risky.
@@ferificatienodig1025unholy heat would not have helped since delirium was not active, bolt was the only realistic out to that line.
@@poiri oh wait, you're right, then it prolly was the better line since if he had the bolt Jamin would've won the next turn anyways.
he could respond to thalia with dress down, if he had it.
Crim just proved an important rule in Magic: make them have it. Yes, you should be smart, but if your choice is risk playing into what might be a counter or lose, always go for it.
If you play ten threats and they have nine answers you just landed a threat. that's all you need sometimes.
21:50 Crim "please don't have a counterspell" was so hilarious.
He was sweating a lot
Really XD
Seeing the Against the Odds live against an opponent with reactions does add an extra dimension to it.
the two best magic websites working together. epic
The editing, little side commentary on these videos is out of this world good! Really sets it apart from other magic content channels. Also, of course love mtggoldfish and seth and crim, loving the collab.
Thank you! It's worth all the hard work when hearing stuff like this :D
@@CardmarketMagic yes whoever makes the little side bars with the information is a good example of german efficiency
Can we talk about in game three when Jamin only has 2 open mana, crim draws the 5th land, and could drop the Thalia to deny the counter spell and then play the Blastphamous act?
Yep, came here for this too, but at least we got there in the end.
I mean a spell pierce would have still worked, but yeah, the line was there
Spell pierce would have worked, but Crim hadn't seen one, and kept saying "you don't have spell pierce, you wouldn't have kept that in"
I mean Jamin could have also bolted the reckoner in response to a blasphemous act and then the game would probably be lost for Crim.
I'm talking about 35:12 when Jamin bluffs the counter spell
36:25 best line from Crim here was probably playing Thalia so that Jamin was locked out of counterspell and only had spellpierce as a possible counterspell then playing the Blasphemous Act with the remaining 3 mana. The line is weak to Lightning bolt, but then again so is waiting.
i will never be a control player... everything in me wanted crim to go for it. there are already 2 counterspells in the yard only 2 mana open.. just tax and JAM thats what i would have done but then again maybe i am not a good player xD
I think, it wouldnt have make him weak to Lightning Bolt. Because even if Jamin Bolts something, Crim can cast Thalia.
Also: Between Thalia entering the Battlefield and casting Act, Jamin wouldnt have get priority again. So he could have only Bolt something before Thalia enters. :)
@@andyony2he had two mana up to bluff counterspell. He could have
@@andyony2 if jamin had a bolt crimm would have been dead the next turn anyways
This was great - wouldve loved to see another short call with Seth after the games.
This was a great video! Love the Cardmarket x Goldfish crossover!
There is more of this crossover to come :)
Two of the best MTG outfits out there! Hope to see more collabs
There will indeed be more :)
I feel like the editing on this channel manages to get a perfect balance that other channels miss. Like, The Command Zone also does special effects and cutaways where players talk about the game but they go over the top and do it too frequently and it makes me dislike their videos. This channel uses it just the right amount, it really adds to the video without distracting from the video. Same with card descriptions, you have a good sense of which cards need describing and which ones are common enough that people know them. Admittedly I did have to pause to read Mishra's Bauble but that's probably because my experience is with commander and I've never seen it played there. Also I love how you show the triggers on the stack and have the little reminders about delirium and other important things to track, it's another thing that would be very easy to overdo but you do it just enough that it adds to the experience without distracting from it. My only complaint is that I hate the sound of cards being flicked and I've had to stop some videos because of it.
Sweet decklist from Seth. Wacky as all hell but effective
You’ve gotta love Crim’s commitment to the content!
The thumbnail was amazing and this was a great way to have Seth be there and force Crim to play against the odds. Lol
Thank you! I'm thrilled you enjoyed both it :D (and the thumbnail)
The Against the Odds videos are genuinely top 5 videos on this channel, would love to see this again if/whenever they come back
My two favorite magic channels collaborating, couldn't be more excited!
That was so much fun! I'm always amazed at the production quality of your videos and at the kinds of amazing guests you guys manage to get on!
We do put a lot of work in :) happy you liked it
I've built a version of this deck before. Another tech is Guilty Conscience, which goes infinite with either Stuffy or Vindicator. Toss in a couple boros charms and it can go infinite with Reckoner or Mogg Maniac as well.
Really enjoying the crossover episodes. Always enjoy both cardmarket and MTGgoldfish content!
I love the production on these videos. I've never seen paper magic videos that are so clear and easy to follow.
Jamin has the best attitude and energy. His interaction with Crim was *cheff´s kiss*
While having an against the odds without hearing once "Ooooooponent" feels weird, it was a wonderful vid ! Thanks both Cardmarket and MtgGoldfish teams
I just built a stuffy doll style commander deck using Atla Pilani to flip them over when the eggs die, and have been ABSOLUTELY loving it. Glad to see the doll get some love 😄
Crim is always so entertaining to watch, this was great to get in while he was in Europe!
There are really cool combo stuffy doll decks that used to be played around the time stuffy doll came out. I remember seeing some at my lgs back then. They are quite a bit different from this one though.
As a stuffy doll player, I've found via fnm at my lgs, that Spiteful Sliver is better than Boros Reckoner, and I am now shaved to not even running Stuffy Doll in the mainboard. Phyrexian Vindicator has proven incredible. I strongly suggest adding 4 of both Deafening Clarion and Burn Down the House. I have never run Thalia or stepmom, I initially decided to build the deck with more mass damage instead. I strongly suggest running Cleansing Wildfire, I even run a playset in my mainboard, I notably replaced 4 plains with 4 Flagstones of Trokair, I also run the Boros indestructible lands, making Cleansing Wildfire a reliable RAMP piece that I can also use as a land hate piece if necessary.
You folks have the best advertising! A big big up for the clever deck price on the corner WITH the shipping included!
Thank you! We try 😅
Thank you for doing this collab. I’ve been missing Thoralf and Jamin since Arena Boye ended
I've been in love with this channel for awhile now. The gameplay videos, especially, are almost all straight fire.
Only THREE things are certain in life: DEATH, TAXES and THALIA, GUARDIAN OF THRABEN.
That was a great video. I was thoroughly entertained.
the white weenie to white all weenies
This is why Against the Odds is so great - the deck that should get crushed instead gets to shine just a little. So wonderful seeing two all-star channels team up to bring this level of content.
So funny enough this was my Return to Ravnica standard deck. Boros Reckoner + Blas Act "All American Bombs"... IM so happy to see it again
I was screaming at my screen for Crimm to go all in so much in that third game. I am very grateful that he did. Every single turn with all the surveil and conniving I was like ughhhh you just have to go for it. 😵💫
I’m so glad to see Crim full send it for the content and the result turned out the way it did
This is the crossover episode I never knew I wanted but definitely needed
Best channel to watch paper magic every video is a gem
Thanks for putting so much love in every videi you make! That is to you, whoever is editing this video, but also to the whole team ! Putting so much energy into a magic game, doing those little breakdowns lf the situation and the thought processes...
This is so cool, it's like two crossovers in one with Crim playing an against the odds deck
this is a crossover between my two favorite channels, couldn't ask for more
I LOVE the status updates on the sides of the battle field!
You guys are my favorite MTG channel now. It’s official. Keep up the great work guys.
That's high praise! We'll make sure we live up to it :) thank you
that moment when at the end of the video you close full screen to like the video... but you remember you always snap-like cardmarket videos and the video is already liked
You double liked in our hearts 😅 :D
Love this series, saw another one, hope you guys keep doing this. Magic is pretty good but a meta or format where lots of eccentric decks could be competitive would be great, I like limited a lot but I feel like constructed is so one note but your giving me hope with this.
I was so confused where there was against the odds yesterday. It all makes sense now
Please force Crim to play more Against The Odds decks. I enjoy his suffering. ;)
Loving these great videos week after week! I hope you guys have a great rest of your day :)
Thank you! :D let's both have great days
That second game was phenomenal, very fun video!
Thank you! :)
Probably the best magic content out there atm for real for real!
That's so kind of you to say :)
YES, stuffy doll is one of my all time favourite decks. I love this!
I haven't seen punting for content that deliberate since the last time I watched Game Knights.
I love that stuffy deck. btw the cure for it, and indistructible decks, is Everlasting Torment.
Card Name:
Everlasting Torment
Mana Cost: 2Black or Red
Converted Mana Cost: 3
Types: Enchantment
Card Text:
Players can't gain life.
Damage can't be prevented.
All damage is dealt as though its source had wither. (A source with wither deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters.)
Flavor Text:
When night fell, the plane itself was scarred.
Expansion:
Commander 2016 (Rare) Commander 2016
Rarity:
Rare
All Sets:
Shadowmoor (Rare)
Commander 2016 (Rare)
Card Number:
233
Artist:
Richard Kane Ferguson
I hardly ever play modern but if I had the cards for this brew I would jam it, it looks so fun when it gets to do its thing
This was an insanely entertaining match
Great production (as always), fun theme and awesome guests... another banger!
Thank you :D
This was a really cool matchup! Good job to all involved
Thank you :)
I don't know why I found it so funny that Crim transferred his Arena commentation to his in person playing
What about Chain Reaction in the side as well as additional Blasphemous Acts? Cast it sooner, might deal less damage but sometimes you just need to get Regent off the board :)
honestly I know very little about magic but i still watch like all the paper magic videos because I used to play magic many years ago, casually of course. One deck i'd like to see you guys run one of these days is a 2003 quarterfinalist goblin deck that was mostly red but splashed in some black primarily for patriarchal bidding. I have the deck physically so i'll post a full deck list sometime this week, i have no idea what format it even is.
If the cards have gold borders, then it's Wolfgang Eder's Goblins list from the 2003 world championships. The format is standard. We are inviting a special guest in a few weeks to record a bunch of gold bordered deck content :) we'll try to fit the golbin deck in!
@@CardmarketMagic yes, the cards are gold bordered so you hit the nail on the head, thanks
Wow two of my favourite MTG channels together!! please keep the collab going! :)
26:44 missed out on a Ledger Shredder trigger for potential lethal that turn :P Jamin didn't have a spell to pitch to Connive in hand, but could have ordered triggers to resolve the DRC surveil first, then keep on top anything that's not a land or mill a land for another shot at finding a nonland to loot away and grow the Shredder, for that final point of damage :) GGs!
Nah mad respect to Crim committing to the content play. It made for incredible content.
The combo I never knew I needed: MTG Goldfish, and Cardmarket.
The subtitle "Probably better known as Saffron Olive" broke me. Good one, guys!
Blasphemous act line was amazing. Loving this channel
I don't care how flashy that Blasphemous Act was, I totally agree with that play all for reasons Crim gave, not to mention that it was a laugh so what the hell.
100% ❤ this video and collaboration!
Loving the Goldfish crossover episodes 👍👍👍
So are we :)
Game 2 was a little sloppy;
After *Dress Down* resolves, all the red cards on the Stack go to the Graveyard normally. Also, a *Ledger Shredder* trigger was missed, meaning lethal could have been a turn sooner.
Haha, yes, we missed the Dress Down vs Sanctifier interaction in light of the craziness that just went down 😅
-Jamin
Stuffy Doll is good. Could play Brash Taunter instead if you want to just fight every big thing and laugh at your opponent but overall, great showing.
I am loving all this mtg goldfish people here! You guys are all so great!
Thank you for your kind words :D there will be more Seth & Crim in the weeks to come
You guys have the best gameplay videos! Always look forward to your videos
Really kudos to Crim for being brave and playing that Blasphemous act, however incorrect it was, it was so funny! :D :D
This is an awesome collaboration thank you so much for the great content
There is more with the MTG Goldfish friends to come :)
Dude the videos have been banger after banger. Can't wait to watch this match!
This channel is by far the best mtg channel ever existed
That's so kind of you to say :D thank you! We do try our best
Love the Cardmarket MTGgoldfish crossovers!
This is my favorite youtube channel. I love cardmarket you guys always make the coolest videos.
Edit: I'D LOVE TO SEE A COLLAB WITH THE PROFESSOR
Thank you for your kind words!
About the Edit, maybe it might be coming soon :)
All I can think of when Stuffy Doll is brought up is my legacy otk gimmick deck. Basically it was just using all the mana ramp to cast Stuffy Doll, enchant it with Guilty Conscience, and then give Stuffy Doll haste so it can use its ability. Very much luck based and god help you if your opponent was playing any sort of counter spells or had a way to remove either combo piece. Anyway, Guilty Conscious is an old card from Scourge. A white aura that costs 1w and says "Whenever enchanted creature deals damage, Guilty Conscience deals that much damage to that creature." So when put on Stuffy Doll, it creates an infinite damage loop. Stuffy Doll deals one to itself, which causes Stuffy Doll to deal one to the opponent, which causes Guilty Conscience to deal one to Stuffy Doll, and repeat. I probably could have done something better by cheating Stuffy Doll into play instead of hard casting it, but this was when I was young and thus not exactly able to afford good cards.
Awesome games. I love being reminded that there is no perfect deck, and with good tech you can beat anything lol😊
Oof. Was rough to see that punt at 36:26
Could have cast Thalia, upping creature count from 6 to 7. If he has the counter, he no longer has the mana to play it.
Blasphemous Act goes from 3 mana to... 3 mana. Which still allows you to go for it.
It took a awhile for my brain to process Against the Odd title not paired with MTGGoldfish logo 😅
Great video and good game though!
Oh sweet, nice to see Crim on here. Another great guest and match!
Would love to see some CardMarlet folks on something like Commamder Clash/Goldfish Podcast!
We'd snap accept an invite 🤠
Love a good against the odds. Great collaboration.
Awesome! Apart from Jamin missing so many Bauble Triggers. But good show!
I'm subscribed to both goldfish and card Market. I saw the video notif and clicked on it, was REALLY confused when thoralf popped up on my screen
That's such a great idea! One day we should try to take over Goldfish's channel for a video!
@@CardmarketMagic you could get Seth to do the "What's the best deck of all time? Good question! We wanted to know as well so..."
@@MagicalMasterMind honestly, his voice would work so much better than ours there 😅
26:50 they didn't do the connive trigger, Crim was dead that same turn if they've done it
Great video, awesome collaboration 🎉
Pretty crazy that Expressive Iteration is banned in Legacy but still legal in Modern.
First time checking out the channel from the goldfish shout. Very well produced show! Deff hit the sub button!
Thank you! 😃 we are reaching 100k subs so every one is greatly appreciated!
When I was learning to play spades a long time ago, the most important tip I got was : play to win.
A new video concept: Pit 2023 Modern decks against pre Modern Horizon legacy decks.