Final Fantasy Versus Dragon Quest: Which is Better? - A Battle Royale
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Twitter: / thedavidvinc Instagram: / davidvincofficial Have you ever wanted to pit each entry of Dragon Quest versus Final Fantasy to see which one would come out on top? That's exactly what I did here. We are going to look at each entry and put it against the identical entry in it's competition to see which series has the best entries. It's a highly scientific competition /sarcasm.
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DQ is very consistent, but the boldness of Final Fantasy to reinvent itself in every numbered entry is exactly what makes it interesting and exciting.
Something you know you are going to like
VS
Something you absolutely can never trust is going to be good because it just keeps changing
Each Dragon Quest game is able to be unique and interesting without changing nearly every single aspect of the game like final fantasy does
FF7 is the worst. The graphics are disgusting and the music and sound effects made me wish I was deaf. DQ7 is way better. I've also heard DQ 10 is phenomenal , FF10 was mediocre at best IMHO. DQ is way more fun and memorable.
I definitely respect how Final Fantasy is always challenging itself in about every way you can think of, for better or worse
Bad call to go by the numbers. Should've gone by year of release.
Agreed. Some FF games should've been skipped to keep up, so that FFXV was compared to DQ11.
yeah that was a weird choice
also it's a no brainer to compare ff11 to dragon quest 10, and a sin not to include ff12.
and now to go on a rant on ff13:
Also ff13 is the epitome of production value in all of gaming, even if the gameplay suffers for it,
I still argue ff13 is a few budgetary and time constrained ideas away from being one of the greatest final fantasies.
The story, and characters are complex and developed enough, and start off as genuinely flawed and unlikeable and actually develop over the adventure, the story is great, as is the battle system and sound track.
The only thing missing from ff13 is slightly more interesting to traverse maps and side content imo. but i still think ff13 is a 9/10.
The sequels are more creative and fun interms of gameplay and side content but the games arent as grand and polished as the original 13 and the casts having no where near as much focus or development.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu the 13 sequels had cool gameplay but I wish they were their own thing cause I just did not give a shit about the stories. the fact that they needed to retcon the original's ending to make 2 work was the first red flag
Yea. Up until around FF6 and DQ6 they were both putting out games every year. Says something that FF could put out quality games more often than DQ after that, as well. That being said, the newer DQ games are better than the newer FF games imo.
I like dragon quest art style and visuals way more
R.I.P. Toriyama
If you compare the quality of all of the Dragon Quest titles versus all of the Final Fantasy titles, Dragon Quest is significantly more consistent. Final Fantasy has some great games, but they also have some complete disasters. Dragon Quest has managed to keep consistently making great games.
FF has put out way more games. Their games were great until around 2004 or so. DQ I like wine. FF has not been like wine, unfortunately. But I am impressed by what they are doing with the FF7 remake.
Even a lot of the DQ spin off games are really really good , for FF spin offs i only really liked The first 2 dissidias.
@@Wolflynx07 Well 15 wanst really that good and 13 also isnt that well recieved but you should look at ff14. I know its an online title but the ammount of care and heart put into this game makes it even just looking at the story better than alot of the other FF games.
I highly Disagree.
2 is horrid, with awful level design, bad growth rates, and slow combat speed. 4 is obtuse, horribly paced, has horrendous AI and the party stop being characters in the final chapter. 5 is a rushed mess with horridly high drop rates, poorly balanced XP gain that's heavily in your favor, and has awful graphics. 6's class system is poorly designed and tacked on because character base stats incline them to certain jobs anyway, the cast stops speaking after killing murdaw, the dual world is tacked on and has no visual distinction.
7 is good but the pacing is horrid. 9 is chasing every 7th gen trend and has a very bland story. 11 has broken combat, bland characters, and is overly reliant on throwbacks.
DQ games are not even close to FF. Its ugly to compare them to FF games.
I had good memories playing Dragon Quest VII; it was like the “Majora’s Mask” of the franchise. Not necessarily the time travel theme, but the overall game was mysterious and different. Also, I think it had the best soundtrack-and it’s hard to forget after the 100+ hours of gameplay. 😂
DQ7 was and is way better than FF7
I half-jokingly like to say that my favorite Final Fantasy game is Chrono Trigger. This video has made me realize that I could probably apply that same logic to Dragon Quest haha. Thanks for the video!
Well, Chrono Trigger was made by both the Final Fantasy _and_ Dragon Quest developers working together.
Yea, Chrono Trigger is 50/50 final fantasy and dragon quest. Hironobu Sakaguchi, AND Yuji Hori
@@Morgil27 yes, the dream team!!!
Chrono Trigger should've been the game to end this debate.
I love Final Fantasy X. As a gay man who grew up in a catholic school, I can't even begin to tell you how much the story of the game affected me. Its depiction of organized religion really did change my life.
This was a very difficult period of self-discovery, but one year later I was in public school and MUCH happier.
I will always treasure the journey through Spira 🙂
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Say have been thinking of doing a final fantasy vs. Tales of video? That would be interesting.
The FF series was a HUGE chunk of my gaming time in the '90s, but I left after the tenth installment and went over to the Atlus and NIS offerings mostly, and Pokémon. I still play the retro FF's lots thanks in part to how often they like to port/re-release them for every platform under the sun... The modern entries just don't catch my interest though. It's a shame DQ doesn't catch on as big in the US with how huge it is over in Japan!
Exactly after final fantasy 10 I stopped playing them as well
Final Fantasy reached its pinnacle from VI through IX. Those were the best four Final Fantasy games.
I've just recently discovered Atlus and Falcom. I don't know how I missed Persona 3 or 4 back in the day. I've played 3, 4, and 5 in the past year. Also played The Legend of Heroes series and it's amazing. Now working on Trails of Cold Steel 2.
@@johntracy72 VI-X. FFX imo is not only the best final fantasy game I've ever played but the best game in general I've ever played. I've yet to play a game in 20 years that had a better story. FFX kinda ruined game stories for me cuz it was literally perfect.
It seems when a game gets sooooo big ot becomes tainted eventually
Dragon Quest 11 was absolutely amazing. Far better than any Final Fantasy that has been released in the last 10 years.
Not gonna lie I prefer 9
Has it really been 10 years since Final Fantasy XIII?
Fironel XIII is the absolute worst of the series. Lol. Disgrace to the name.
Saying "Lol" and "disgrace to the name" just makes me think your a troll which doesn't set the right image and makes me think that you just saw it was different and said "eww" just because that's how trolls are making you the disgrace not FFXIII
Fironel Shit logic but okay.
Dragon Quest is better imo. They are totally different in terms of gameplay. But Dragon Quest overall continued to get better, in terms of story and gameplay. Plus.. it didnt continue to change dramatically each entry.
Maybe some people dont like turn based so..I feel Dragon Quest doesnt get enough attention as it should in comparison to FF. Plus advertising in general FF games get a lot more..
I tend to agree that Dragon Quest is better, but Final Fantasy had some great games in the beginning. If I ever do another matchup from 12 to like 20, (in the far future) I believe that it will be heavily skewed in Dragon Quest's favor.
davidvinc Final Fantasy is darker toned than Dragon Quest.
davidvinc Final Fantasy has more memorable music than Dragon Quest. Final Fantasy has had multiple composers. Dragon Quest has stuck with one composer, Mr. Koichi Sugiyama.
davidvinc Final Fantasy is more unique than Dragon Quest. Each Final Fantasy game has a unique gameplay style. Final Fantasy is known to take risks, while Dragon Quest plays it safe.
@@davidhill8565 ok if you say so
FF IX is honestly in my top 5 best rpgs of all time. That game had me so invested in all the characters from beginning to end back when I played it.
100% I put FFIX at the very top, and it absolutely demolishes any DQ game. i love DQ but no game in the series even came close to the level of quality story, character development, music, environments (The list goes on) that FFIX had.
I give the nod to FFX just because I got so damn invested into every aspect of that game. From the new sphere grid to blitzball to the story to figuring out the hidden aspects of the game and running to the internet when I couldn't. FFIX is my 2nd favorite and my first one that I played in the series so it'll always have that nostalgia going for it but FFX was just out of left field amazing to me.
Chrono trigger is better
@@lukasbjornendermann9944 dude don't be that guy, that's like me coming here and saying I like the saga series more or the shin megami tensei series, preferably the persona spin-off. Anyway, Secret of Mana FTW
@@tyrantsjustice88 it is now shhhhh
Dragon Quest
No QUESTion
センスねーな
Amen to that! Dragon Quest rules the future.
Dolphinboi - Play Monster Rancher opinion let’s not start fights.
dragon quest 5, 8, and 11 versus final fantasy 6. 7, 9 ALL six are must plays imo.
Only problem i have with 11 is the characters are so bland
The gay person the only 1 with any real personality to me
You forget the great ff8 with squall
@@albionflux
Don't forget Verónica.
D G FF8 just sucks. It's so annoying, I hate the junction magic system very much
@@GlacikingTheIceColdKing I don't think FF8 particularly sucks, it was just highly mediocre. Junction was reeeally fun to me, it was just the draw system needed to use junction that was a complete slog. The story was fantastic, but I always felt so bored inbetween the big moments, because there wasn't much else to draw me in. It all cancels out imo, leaving it quite mediocre.
As for the belles, Final Fantasy has Tifa Lockhart, while Dragon Quest has Jade of Heliodor. They both specialize in martial arts.
I would give the nod to Dragon Warrior all throughout the NES era just because the FF NES games had bugged elemental weapons.
Love your channel dude. Probably my favorite channel that covers jrpgs.
Brilliant video idea there man and very well presented. Thanks again for the time and effort you put into making these vids.
I think past VI it would be more interesting to put them in relation to release date rather than numbers, putting FFVIII against DQVIII kind of feel bad honnestly so doing like this for me it would be (excluding the MMOs cause I don't play MMO) :
DQI VS FFI : FFI (Obvious winner FFI is honnestly a game that even today can be fun to play while DQI... not so much)
DQII VS FFII : I honnestly dislike both, give a slight edge to FFII cause I think it's story was impressive for 8-bit title.
DQIII VS FFIII : Well DQIII, obvious winner cause I don't like FFIII despite him introducing an excellent system it just doesn't reach it's full potential here, and FFIII has a lot of issue like having to cast Mini through an entire dungeon or the ending being an absolute grind fest.
DQIV VS FFIV : Hmm that's a tough one for me, I love both game but I'm gonna give this point to FFIV just because I enjoy the characters and story much more, plus you forgot one big factor FFIV introduce the ATB system which is a system I always enjoy and was revolutionnary at the time.
DQV VS FFV : Now I think I'm gonna get a lot hate here but I'm giving this to FFV without any doubt, storywise I like what DQV's hero is going through, but I couldn't care less for the other characters while I love the character from FFV and the synergy between was just very enjoyable and so I was more into the story than DQV despite FFV's story being more light hearted as an all, also unpopular opinion but I love Exdeath as villain cause goddamn this as to be one of the most competent villain ever (and unlike Nimzo at least he act instead of letting his underlings do the work for him). But the biggest factor here is the gameplay I fucking love the Job System of FFV, the amount of fun I had in this game was immense there is just so much to experiment here, while DQV I didn't like the monster system at all, the wife was here only for 2-3 hours (which doesn't even include a boss fight), once the child join there's almost no point to any other monsters outside of the ones that have Multi-Heal, Zing or Kazing and the wife is completly useless when getting back due to the severe lack of level.
DQVI VS FFVI : Personnaly I don't like FFVI that much but I'm still giving it my point here, cause at least FFVI was enjoyable to play, and I like the balls they got from making the villain win and destroy the world, and making the second act open-world with making it full of sidequest while having the Final boss accessible (fun fact years later DQXI will rip-off FFVI plot twist for the transition from Act 1 to Act 2 and rip-off the WoR structure in it's act 3 XD).
So now I'm going by release date (in US/EU) :
DQVII (2000) VS FFIX (2000) : Now I only played the 3DS version of DQVII which I heard is much better than the PS1 version. That being said this is a really tough one for me, cause I love the world of DQVII I think that it has one of the most massive world and back ground I ever seen in a J-RPG every new places I was exciting of what I will found, what will happen and how it will turn for these places in the present, I also have to mention the soundtrack cause it's my favorite in the DQ Franchise and IMO perfectly set the tone. Meanwhile however I enjoy the character of FFIX a lot more, and the plot was definitly better overall. Gameplay wise I like the class system of DQVII even tough I think it's to bad that it resolve around getting more powerfull class but it was still fun to play for me, meanwhile FFIX has a better skill system but I didn't like how slow the ATB fills and the animation are compare to FFVII or even VIII. So in the end I give this point to FFIX just cause I enjoy the game more overall.
DQVIII (2006 in France) VS FFXII (2006) : OH Boy this is the toughest one for me, unpopular opinion but FFXII is my favorite FF while DQVIII is my favorite DQ. These are 2 games that I litterally played hundred of hours and finish multiple time and get there ehanced version (IZJS for XII and 3DS for DQVIII).
This games actually have 1 thing in common their gigantic world, honnestly back in the PS2 era both games blow my fucking mind on how big they were, how there was to explore, however on that aspect FFXII is a clear winner for me, even to day I'm still impress that they were able to make a game this big but also with so much variety in the place you visit they are equivalent in size but in term of diversity of the place explored FFXII blow DQVIII out of the window, exploration wise I also think FFXII was a lot more interesting to explore and has more thing to do than DQVIII so I give this point to FFXII.
Gameplay wise FFXII's Gambit system was IMO genious I still can't believe this system hasn't be reproduce in modern gaming, it basically totally erase the problem of shitty IA controling our character that we have in so many game even today, I also enjoy the license board system and how diversify the weapon selection is, the battle system has really a lot more to offer than meet the eye, and it has the ball of being unique in the FF series. Meanwhile DQVIII has a very solid turn-base system, I also enjoy the skill point system, cause it allow diverse build for each character bumping the replay value, also the Tension mechanic was really fun to work around, it's very solid battle system so I enjoy both games on the gameplay aspect with the same amount.
Music wise I give this point to FFXII hands down, I like DQVIII's soundtrack (less than DQVII tough) but FFXII has one of my favorite soundtrack ever, their so much variety in it and despite that every music fit the place they played perfectly I never grew tired of the soundtrack while playing the game, unlike DQVIII where several theme are reuse and honnestly can become boring after a while, and it never felt out of place, and somehow they manage to make it even better on the Zodiac Age version (while the 3DS version of DQVIII took a hit down).
Story and Characters however DQVIII wins hands down while I love the world of Ivalice, enjoy the characters and appreciate the plot overall, it sadly feel rushed toward the end due to game development problem I think sadly the creator weren't able to make the story they wished for, while DQVIII doesn't feel incomplete or rush at all, as a good pacing overall and awesome main characters.
So YEAH as you can see choosing a better one is really hard to me I love this 2 games so much, however at the end of the day I'd say that if I had the choice between replaying FFXII and DQVIII I think I'd overall enjoy replaying XII more, so YEAH I give this point to FFXII.
DQIX (2009) VS FFXIII (2010) : That's a controversial one, I actually liked FFXIII cause I had a lot of fun with the battle system and think it's a lot better that everyone is giving it credit, however yeah some character were bad (looking at you Vanille), the villains were terrible, the story wasn't anything special and the game was linear as fuck, I however don't think the game is as bad as people makes it to be, as for DQIX it's your typical DQ with multiplayer element, I'd say I give this point to DQIX cause the game more enjoyable overall.
DQXI (2018) VS FFXV (2016-2018) : Alright I'm gonna put this simply. FFXV sucks !!! I hate this game, the story is a total wasted potential, the battle system is just a discount KH mix with some Type-0 element (with nowhere as much diversify as Type-0 was with it's 14 characters), the game is way to easy to the point of being insulting (if you die at this game then unless you were facing an extremely overlevel ennemy quite gaming, found another hobby that's for the best of you), the character are admitadly very good but they are in a story that don't exploit them, which suck cause I honnestly love the fuck out of the 4 main characters I think they are one of the best group in the franchise and the only reason I was able to finish this mess that is FFXV. FFXV is the very definition of "wasted potential" it seriously had everything to become a great game but miserably fail at almost everything and even worst make Square lose an incredible amount of time and money fuck this game.
OH Yeah DQXI great game basically everything I wait from a modern Dragon Quest, had a lot of fun playing through it, only downsides being the soundtrack which honnestly sucks and the Act 3 which wasn't great story wise, but if you can't tell by now it's the obvious winner.
I have to agree, DQ act 3 sucks
Recently DQ has been of much higher quality in my opinion. Overall a much more consistent series. I love FF more though but they both are very good.
Awesome channel bro, loving the content.
When sakaguchi was helming them, final fantasy could knock it out of the ball park. It was overall always tied to me, especially 1-6 but dragon quest remembers its roots while final fantasy tries to reinvent a perfect wheel.
i feel it starts with ff8. 7 still had alot of the elements of the snes era games. 8 is when they changed everything per game 9 was an expectation as it was ment to be a spin off before becoming a main title and most of the people that worked on 8 were working on 10.
I'm SO glad that someone else noticed the same annoying issues with Final Fantasy III (JPN)! I was really excited to play it because the story, characters, and NPCs seemed interesting, and I was excited about all of the job classes. Only to shut the game off because I hated how it forced you to play as nerfed mini characters and, even though you had all these job classes to choose from, it forced you to make parties of all the same class.
The DS remake is the most superior version of FF III. It’s kind of a slight reimagining, as all the characters now have names, distinct looks and personalities (in other words, actual characters). Some additional content adds story that gives each character a bit more purpose going through the main story. I beat the game and overall it’s a rough job system but still a fun one. And the game only makes you form whole-party class changes a handful of times, though I agree it gets super freaking annoying, even in the DS version.
I just love seeing game footage of 22 fantastic games. Thanks for the fantastic editing and interesting shots.
I couldn't help but notice the game play footage from the PC versions of FF7-FF9 there. Other than that, nice comparison. I don't know much about Dragon Quest having grown up in the FF camp, so this was informative. I'll have to look up some of the Dragon Quest games.
I agree with all of your decisions, except for FF4 and DQ4.
I am not saying FF4 is not good, quite the contrary.
But i think DQ4 tends to be underestimated, in the whole series.
It's a simple and basic, yet very fun and engaging title.
It's not the best in the series, but way far from the worst ones.
It's not groundbreaking, but you can't miss it, while exploring the series, and a very good starting point for beginners.
Also, it still has nowadays one of the best parties in the series
pn33 milan
4 and 5 are both solid games in the series.
@@gamersinger5118 of course they are.
It's just I often see the fourth one a little underappreciated, compared to 5, 8 or 11
@@pn33milan11
You are right. 4 was great to me especially for it's characters. Loved them in that particular entry. It was a great JRPG and very memorable.
Nice video nothing like a good old franchise rivalry.
Dragons quest 11 is soooo good!
I agree :)
It was about to be in my top 10 RPGs up until the end
IK
All dragon quest are
@@dragonquesti8629 honestly I cant even pick one anymore
Love all your videos but this one I especially like. Makes me want to check out some of the titles I missed! (Which is true for every video of yours)
Great video and some amazing points on all the games. I love both series and would love to see more games from both. RPGS for life !
Dragon Quest still has the original creators still working on the series Final Fantasy does not. Dragon Quest still play similar to previous games. Final Fantasy does not. Dragon Quest is better.
Just because newer games have stronger connections to past games doesn’t automatically make them better.
They actually are better games than ff
Same argument can be used against DQ... Welp.
I like the older FF games best. But Dragon Quest is better now. Ff7 remake looks great though.
DQ is definitely better right now.
When it comes to dargon quest, the first 2 games now have the builders version which is incredible where you the player can change any block in the entire game world.
I've never played much of Dragon Quest until recently with the release of 11. It was mostly a simple game with an admittedly slow start but it was just oozing in charm and art style, especially the character cast being so lovable. I then tried out 8 afterwards, which brought tears to my eyes with just the music alone, sense of scale to the world, and the enjoyable voice work plus I really like the characters too. Which would you recommend checking out afterwards?
Remakes of 4 or 5!
I recommend 3, 4 & 5 since there also great games.
Dragon Quest 3 is where the series started getting really good and introduced many things that became important to all RPG series like the job system, more interesting world themes, etc. Dragon Quest 4 is where you play characters in each chapter through there story and have all them join together at the later chapters. And Dragon Quest 5 has some of the most emotional story in the series, with choosing between wife and children they borrowed abilities from the parenthood and has an monster capture gimmick that borrows from Shin Megami Tensai from the Famicom and help inspired monster capture games that series like Pokemon & Dragon Quest Monster help popularized.
Looking ahead, Dragon Quest XII has a tough fight. Final Fantasy XII is a pretty great game. On the bright side for DQ though, it pretty much automatically wins round XIII.
Dragon quest 12 XII will win easily. Based on the way he ranks the games. 12 has a grid like system basically letting every character do everything, something he said he didn't like in FFX. So it makes for almost no changes between characters besides personality kinda like FFVIII
@@toxickandy9669 but that grid is different for each job? you give each character 2 jobs, meaning you give each character a specific role in the party instead of them being able to do the same things.
@@Logos729 not the original version of ff12. There was only 1 license board. The jobs were added in the international version and the zodiac age
Dragon quest is probably my second favorite game series ever, something about it staying true to its roots yet innovating gets me, the atb system of later final fantasies is fine but I prefer that classic turn based feel that let's me strategize so much easier, oddly enough the onkybdragon quest I've beaten is VII, the longest (3ds remake), such a good series
Second favorite series but only finished 1 game of the series.. ok.
You talk about innovating but staying true to its roots. Dragon Quest hasn’t really pushed forward JRPGs in forever.
Man, that score at the end seamed like the hardest sentence to say in your script! Not what you were expecting yourself? :P
Well, Dragon Quest is my favorite series, so it was hard for me to accept Final Fantasy winning.
@@davidvinc Yeah, that's what I figured!
I feel it's worth pointing out, with the original ps1 versions of both games, DQVII far outsold FFVII globally.
I think it would make more sense to compare Final Fantasy X to Dragon Quest 11, and then Final Fantasy XI to Dragon Quest X, as I'm not really sure how you compare an MMO to an offline RPG since they're really two entirely different genres. Comparing the games this way would undermine the structure of this battle royale, sure, but the battle was already ruined due to Dragon Quest X having no English version.
Other than that, I agreed with the choices for each battle where I'd completed both games (technically, I guess I have Final Fantasy III ahead of Dragon Quest III, since I finished the former but have stalled out against the latter). I haven't played Dragon Quests I, II, or X and have no opinions on them. I could see myself disagreeing on Final Fantasy I versus Dragon Quest I, as I really don't care much for the first Final Fantasy, but the decisions on each of the first three battles is justifiable, regardless. I think this type of battle puts Dragon Quest in a better light than I actually view the series, since if I compared my top five Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games to one another, Final Fantasy wins every battle (in fact, I like my third-favourite Final Fantasy game, FFIX, more than my top Dragon Quest game). But that's not to say that I'm not also a big fan of the Dragon Quest series, as I seriously love entries V, VIII, and XI; virtually no RPG franchise I've played can match what I consider to be peak Final Fantasy.
Also, what's up with the random Final Fantasy VII mod footage? I noticed that in another video, and here it's especially noticeable when so much of the footage is from the original versions of these games (I think Final Fantasy IX was the only other game that wasn't based on an original version, although it's at least from an official part, as far as I can tell).
Ya this guy totally missed base with comparing titles
If i have to objective, Final fantasy was the one with higher quality up until FF 13. Meanwhile Dragon quest almost created the JRPG genre but has mantain the same over the years and has become popular thanks to DQ 8 and DQ XI and Final fantasy fucking up since 13.
Since 13? With the exception of 9 and (maybe) 12, Final Fantasy has badly lost its way ever since 7.
The thing is, he failed to mention the rather great remakes of DQ4, DQ5, and DQ6 on the DS. Those games give you the great story, while removing some of the more objectionable elements from their original releases.
I'd say everything after 10 hasn't felt like a final fantasy. Right when enix and squaresoft merged
@@forevermagus7706 oh so thats why its called squar enix so who created dragon quest?
@@wangxian5473 i believe that is enix
Square and Enix merged aftter ff11 and before dq11. The battle royale is over.
They merged after FFX, FF X-2 was their first game as a Square Enix
@@Labbish1 Nope the merger took place April 1, 2003. Final Fantasy XI released November 7,2002. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance released February 14,2002. The last Squaresoft game was Final Fantasy X-2 released March 13,2002. The first Square Enix game was Bakusou Yankee Damashii released May 23,2003. Square Enix's first Final Fantasy was Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles released August 8, 2003.
Wow, I actually agree with every one of your choices. It's pretty rare to find someone who has such similar opinions when it comes to this kind of stuff.
You forgot to say that the dq has the best spinoff series that ever existed "Dragon warrior monsters"
Good video dude. As a fellow RPG fan. Could you make Final Fantasy vs Phantasy Star? Main titles only. I believe it's 9 vs 9, maybe 10 vs 10.
One analogy...final fantasy series is a song writer that just puts out song after song in rapid succession. Dragon quest, on the other hand, is Leonard cohen working on 1 song for a year.
This was a really cool idea for a video.
FFX.... you're the only guy besides me, David. Thank you. All I remember is being furious about how frustrating it was to get everyone's ultimate equipment and then grinding for about 50 hours after spending 20 hours capturing ten of every creature after spending 30 hours playing Blitzball.
I have yet to even beat the super bosses because the 70 hours preparing just kills the game for me.
@@jaretco6423 Pretty much agree with everything you said.
11:57 No offense to Cloud and Squall. These two protagonists are great in their own right!
I rate Dragon Warrior/Quest IV as the best of the Dragon Warrior/Quest series because of the chapter setup that effectively made it like having 5 games in one.
You seem to be around my age (I'll turn 44 in less then a month), and it's kind of refreshing to find someone else who really doesn't care for Final Fantasy X. Good battle, I love both of the series, but Final Fantasy will always hold a special place in my heart, particularly up to IX, with the exception of VIII. I even enjoyed II & III.
dragon quest 8 and ff12 were my favorite games to play in the ps2. both of them were perfect escapades into great sprawling worlds and now i just find those games really comfy to play. i think they're a perfect match.
I was there when it all went down and when I would see discussions about the question "Why Final Fantasy Sold and Dragon Warrior Didn't in the US".
I would see some good answers but never the one that told the story. Here is the real reason straight from the Ducks Gut. Back in the days our generation believed that Final Fantasy was a U.S. product and Dragon Warrior was Japan, plain as that, it was all about the US vs. Competition. We loved both, and it also helped that FF was a newer release and was a better game.
I like both alot, if it was 20 years ago definitely FF but nowadays Dragon Quest is so much better
What's the song at 3:30 I would appreciate it
No one can even name characters from dragon quest without looking it up
My first actual entry into the dragon quest series is the builders games. They were great when you can move and change any block in the whole game world and objectives to build the city for the npcs.
Dragon Quest is one of my three favorite RPG series with Suikoden and Shin Megami Tensei, that said, I'll give you my results.
FF > DQ
DQ 2 > FF2
FF3 > DQ3 (this one's technically a tie, though. Really hard to choose)
DQ4 > FF4 (Easy. DQ4 is my favorite in the whole series)
DQ5 > FF5
FF6 > DQ6 (both middle of the road titles I don't like that much)
FF7 > DQ7 (FF7 is my favorite in the series)
DQ8 > FF8
FF9 > DQ9
The X and XI fights are a bit weird, but yeah, I'll go with FFX and DQXI.
This was a really interesting video, Mr. David. I've often compared the Dragon Quest series to the Final Fantasy series myself.
Also, Mr. David, if you'll allow me to ask, you don't like RPGs where you have to create your own characters, and if not, how come?
After VII, you should have compared them by release year
After VI actually, DQVII VS FFVII isn't really fair in a way cause you compare one of the earliest title of the PS1 where developpers were still experimenting and weren't able to reach the full potential of the technology (which was new at the time, and the Huge gap in presentation between FFVII and VIII show how underuse the PS1 capacity were for FFVII) VS a game that came out at the end of the PS1 era, so obviously devs were more experienced with the system than at the time of FFVII.
he really should not be comparing dq 8 and ff8. thats the most unfair comparison i have ever seen.
@@nesoukkefka1741 actually dq 7 took so long because it changed consoles. it had nothing to do with experience it was the ONLY dq game on ps1.
What the heck?! DQ IX is my favorite (and first) game in the series! It got me more invested than any other games because I got to take those "nameless avatars" and write my own stories and motivations for them. But I guess that was just me.
That was cool, but it meant the companions had no interaction with you or other characters whatsoever, getting sent back to the inn at some important points in the story. It also lacked conflicts and relationships, so it was just the silent protagonist going from town to town solving problems and killing monsters while NPCs talked at him. Not even your angel mentor interacted with anyone or did anything special after joining you in the post-game!
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 That is true, it did get on my nerves a little that there were no NPC interactions, but I glossed over it for the most part (probably just the wonder of playing your first RPG).
@@justinblackmon6973 Probably, my first one was VIII and I really felt something was missing in IX.
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 Yeah VIII was my second.
You took the words out of my mouth, with your thoughts on mmorpg's.
dragon quest hands down wins. ff is trying to make boy band simulators and has abandoned all their old school rpg fanbase .
Past ffx yeah they did
i have no idea wtf was FFXV.....
um... do you mean ever since the start or now... cause back then ff wins hands down no contest but now dq is better
@@manofculture961 they both have good and bad, but I love how they handle DQ and keep consistent and keep improve the game from time to time it makes how much I appreciate DQ more then FF, FF on the other hand just lose their identity since FF12 abd how they turn FF into hack and slash in 15 just for the sake of bring the newcomers. I also dont like how they handle FF7R battle system.
Final Fantasy was never meant to appeal to old school, it's meant to be revolutionary. That's how it's been right from the beginning. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
I hate when anyone thinks building relationships and doing anything you love is a waste of time...
What!!! Ff x was so good I agree with the list other than that but how do you not like x
Great video essay!
Which of the Dragon Quest games still hold up? I haven't played any but have played most of the FF games.
Asheron's Call was (is) awesome. It's still available to play for free (as long as you own the game, which it's only $10 now).
Props for the AC shoutout!
Final Fantasy VIII a disaster?! It has some flaws, sure, but I think the stuff they did right outweighs the bad. I was completely blown away by this game when I played it for the first time. I absolutely LOVED the way this game looked. Everything looked so realistic but with just a hint of fantasy in the color palette used for a truly awesome effect, so kudos to the art director! The characters looked and moved like real people because they captured the motion from real people. This was quite a contrast from the cartoony Dragon Quest series (although I have nothing against the anime look). Final Fantasy VIII's soundtrack was epic as well, and I was blown away again when I heard sung vocals! The story was okay, but the overall "sorceress/sci-fi" theme it had going on was ultra cool, I thought. Yes, there are some issues with the game play, the junction system is a bit of a mess and a balancing act, and I didn't fully know what I was doing until my second play-through, but I think I was too blown away to care. I liked the characters in the game even if they all play the same. Squall was a badass, and Irvine was cool. I even liked Laguna. Flawed for sure, but I'd say it's a flawed and misunderstood masterpiece! I also liked Final Fantasy II for the most part. I appreciate what they were trying to do. This entry did manage to stuff in a lot of innovation over the first game, and chocobos and Cid were introduced! I'm not sure what they were thinking with the character development/building system on this one, but at least they tried to give each character a personality. Final Fantasy III is by far my favorite of the first three games. The graphics and sound are stunning for a NES game, and it plays a lot better than II. Dragon Quest III was a lot of fun as well, however, so this comparison is actually pretty close for me.
It's always Dragon Quest for me... It's such a consistently good series. It always delivers what you want it to.
I think a better comparison with the later DQ games would be DQ 8 vs FF 10 and 12, DQ 9 vs FF 13, and DQ 11 vs FF 15.
Winner: DQ 3-0 by a landslide (IMO, of course)
Most likely Dragon Quest will win those comparisons.
Great video. I am a huge Final Fantasy fan (especially older). Starting with Final Fantasy 1, I played and loved all the games released in the US until 8 (I tried so hard to like that game, but it was so bad). 9 and some of the rereleases were fun for me after, but then I stopped playing jrpgs as much. My only exposure to Dragon Quest was the first one that I got for free from Nintendo Power. I think I was turned off initially to Dragon Quest games because you couldn't see your party in action and I just ignored the series from there. I recently played Dragon Quest 11 and enjoyed it immensely (I agree Sylvando is the greatest). Because I had so much fun with that one, I decided to play 5 and 8 (consensus is they are best). While I am enjoying my playthroughs, I'm struck by the notion that the Dragon Quest games are more of the same, not that it is a bad thing but they feel very similar (albeit I'm only pulling a small sample size). Interestingly enough, Final Fantasy has the opposite problem, some of the changes seemed to be for the sake of change, with wildly differing results. Just my two cents.
A great story can be told and heard over and over again. To each their own. For me, i loved both.
Visuals I prefer the FF~
Job system seems more consistent on the DQ though only at FF tactic series does it feel so right for the job systems~ FF 12 job sys is fine too~
DQ is consistent on the theme of medieval like fantasy but FF differs starting from 6 and 7~ since I like things that changes I guess I prefer the FF on that one~
The characters have their own charm on both series though~
Love the Asheron's Call mention!!!!! Such fond memories of that game
Nothing beats FF6 to me. I remember faking illness to miss school so I could play. I still wish for a remake before anything else. I realize it may take more to make one, than 7 did, but square has the money. If I had that amount of money, I’d pay for it myself.
I’ve only played a few dragon quests. And they are SO great. The feeling I get going back to that style of rpg, is phenomenal. Last one I played was 11, when it first came out. I really want to play the old ones. Starting at the beginning of each trilogy. Like I want to play 5 & 6, but 4 is the beginning of that trilogy, so I refuse to play until I’ve beaten 4.
You and I differ greatly on the best FF’s, and I love that. Mine are 6, 8, 10, 4, 11, 14, & 12.
Just a random comment: I am a ride and die Dragon Warrior (Dragon Quest) series fan.
TaRoya Hollis same
@@360Blader Yes. Team Dragon Quest! Huzzah!
Dragon Warrior III for GBC was my favorite!!
@@cloudstrifex88 That's a good one, I like VIII for the PS2.
@@360Blader Oh okay cool I have it for 3DS but have not played it yet! I wanted to finish VII for 3DS first but I got bored with that one fairly quickly...
oh, you have played everything. That's so many.
Yesterday I was playing the Chaos Shrine in FF1 Pixel Remaster. It’s breathtaking fantasy play.
And I stumbled on a demoralizing thought: How did we get from this masterpiece to the likes of “FFXIII-3: Lightning Returns”??
FF8 was my first FF, and it blew my friggin mind! Played 7 after, and while i still loved it, it did not enchant me like 8 did.. so for me 8 will always be my favorite, since it was my first love of the genre.. 9 was honestly a let down for me at the time.. maby i should play it again? 🤔
You should ABSOLUTELY play 9 again. Especially with all of the enhanced versions out. I've played them all, and IX is still by far not just my favorite but one of the greatest JRPG's ever. It's more a throwback to the classic renaissance, steampunk, victorian styles in the older games. Every story is well told, every character has amazing back stories, and the music is also the best in the series, with tons of fun side quests to boot. I'll stop... hahaha
ScotlandSlag i have completed it when it came out, but i might have been clouded by the dreamcast high i was on at the time 😅, will deff play it again, after i finnish ( my first) playthrough of phantasy star 4 ☺️
@@leirdua1733 you should definitely give it another go it's just perfection to end a great era off ff games on the ps1
Dragon Quest. I was in 1st grade when the original came out. I needed my buddies dad to break it down for me. I was used to mindless Mario or Megaman. I had never seen anything like it before that time. Classic.
Kinda wish this comparison was made without the blatant bias against the MMO genre. Everything up until 8 I could agree with but once you started knocking down points for what (seemingly) felt like mmo dislike it was hard to take the verdicts of 9-11 seriously. Outside of that little nitpick I thought it was a very well done video and has me interested in quite a few other games.
Honestly you really need to take the date of release into account. It would've be better to compare Dragon Quest 2 to Final Fantasy 1 or better yet DQ1+2 vs FF1+2. As for the others I personally prefer to compare DQ3/FF3 and DQ6/FF5, since they have some things in common like class/job system. Other games is kinda hard to compare fairly.
I think it's not fair the direct comparison between the numbers... It should be a mean value between all numbers
Such an age old question lol. As a FF fan, I actually find DQ, more charming. The only thing dragging it down for me was Toriyama art style. I mean, it's a charming art style for sure, but I just hate the art style as a child. Growing up I'm able to appreciate such great personality Toriyama's art style has, which is sometimes lacking in many of the art style utilized in FF, even tho it's the prettier style.
But yeah, the recent downfall of FF is giving me so much appreciation for DQ on how it stays with its roots and improve upon it. DQ11 was a really amazing game. I was a bit skeptical at first, but turned out it's able to scratch many of the itch I had desired from recent FF games.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Final Fantasy 9, while it may be cheesy to say this but, I was an awkward middle schooler at the time, and this game really shaped me into the person I am today. Apart from that, DQ7, DQ8, DQ11,FF6, and FF7 are all in my favorite games list. Although, I will say Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is giving all of these a run for their money, I couldn’t get into it at first, but now, 2 years later I’m in love with it. It has everything that made classic JRPGS great, so much love poured into it, not unlike FF9.
My perspectives aren't from their original NES versions but from the best I could have at the time, which were DQ1 on Switch and FF1 on 3DS. After beating FF1 recently I couldn't stop thinking about how much more fun I had from the compact experience that I had playing DQ1.
My first playthrough of DQ1 were basically "I can't believe they'll allow me to finish the game while carrying the princess on my arms, instead of leaving her at the castle after saving her"LOL
David...our tastes in RPGs are very similar.... I thought my brother and I were alone... it's great to know that we aren't crazy. Now... were you a fan of Final Fantasy Tactics?
Oh it's one of my favorites!
I'm currently playing Dragon Warrior VII on Playstation right now. I didn't finish it back when it first came out.
Looks like you managed to save Cid on the beach. The story makes so much more sense if he passes away.
I fucking love Sylvando.
Dragon Quest. The music, the gameplay and the characters.
The music? Thats one category where ff completely dominates imo.
@@pedroburgos3330 👌 your opinion
@@pedroburgos3330nah
@blazethehedgehog1159 He's not wrong though. Even though I liked Dragon Quest more, Final Fantasy does have better music.
Really like the idea, but I think it'd be smarter to gauge them on release date instead, since comparing an MMO Final Fantasy made in 2002 to a Dragon Quest made 15 years earlier seems pretty poor of an idea. If you compared DQ 7 and Final Fantasy 9 you'd get a better picture of the type of games and differences they had since they were released just a month apart. While also being able to show the improvements/implementations final fantasy went through during these break periods while DQ didn't release anything allowing you to show the full scope of Final Fantasy's series from 1-15 while also showing DQ1-12. By using a much more definitive method
The 5' s really put you in a bind...;) i still remember the first time i played ffvi. Rented it for snes, and was 12...2friends and i played it for almost 3 days straight, with next to zero sleep
just played dq 11, it feels like a heart cleanser for me... very nice on the heart, especially for a long time jrpg fan like me. i just really miss rpgs like ff9, just fantasy with a bit of romance and comedy. I also lke things that are dark, but sometimes, I just want my heart smile and be cleansed.
Final Fantasy VIII will always be my favourite. The 3DS remake of DQ VII is really fun. I enjoyed it more than DQ IX.
I loved DQ VIII and IX, but I couldn't betray my heart and say I find DQ is better than FF. Even those "flopped" FF, I love them all. I also see the edge Final Fantasy has when portraying world settings. We've had medieval, futuristic and even kind of contemporary (FFXV).
Final Fantasy for me ~ it basically brought Jrpg's into the west
(Story, Drama & Charas for me are also better in comparison )
FF8 is my Fave game of all time
I reeeeally don't get your hate for it😂
@Trujillo 2020 yeah ik opinions are different but i just can't get ~ it sooo i guess imma living in my own bubble with Million other people^^
Dragon Quest brought Rpgs to the west...😩
@@Zenithian94 nooope
Even if
Then Without success ×_×
Akiin Moonlight your not the only one , I loved ff8 , not as much as ff7 , ff6 or ff9 , but still pretty good nonetheless
While I don't think anyone can deny the quality if both dq8 and dq11, the series just hasn't been anywhere as consistent as final fantasy, just look at all the high quality releases, ff4, ff6, ff7, ff8, ff9, ff10, ff12za, ff14 and ff16 are all amazing high quality titles, while I definitely preferred dq11 over ff15, the combat system off ff16 is just absolutely amazing and while I wish there were more RPG progression mechanics nobody can deny the amazing combat, story and characters, imagine if every summon in ff16 had its own complex path of exile style skill tree, maybe even a unique weapon type for each summon and countless weapons and armor that change the way your character looks, and of course parry members, at least 8, that way we can go back to the four member battle parties that can be switched our anytime like in ff10 but in an action JRPG more akin to tales of arise or star ocean the divine force, maybe, that's why for selfish reasons I want sony to buy both square Enix and Bandai Namco, just imagine what they could do with all that talent under one roof
This is one of my favourite videos from you. I'm having a tough time figuring out where to jump in with Dragon Quest since there are so many ports and versions. With Final Fantasy, it's easy: all the modern mobile "remasters" of Final Fantasy are ugly mangled garbage, where as Dragon Quest just keeps getting more beautiful.
Final Fantasy died when Saka left!
I agreed with every single one of these! I was worried you'd pick FFV over DQV but I'm glad you made the right choice. DQ is more consistent, but FF definitely hits the highest highs. Also i like where DQ is going whereas i haven't liked where FF is. I'll give 16 a try, and i may like it as an action RPG, just not sure if I'll feel like FF to me. DQ11 still feels like DQ.