GTX970 3.5GB VRAM issue? Is it still worth it?
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So lots of complaints that I didn't do 1440p test... even though I know that most people are NOT gaming at 1440p, is there any interest in redoing these tests at 1440p, or just let the subject die?
Let it die. I play at 1440p on a Asus ROG Swift and it's totally fine. Edit: Ahead of the flamer: 2 970's in Sli
i say skip that test
As you say not allot using 1440 yet
yes Jay, that would help a lot. i am looking to buy a 1440p monitor and a 970 so would be nice to se how it performs there:)
I think you already made yor point Jay! I think another one is useless.
you just ran at 1080p 2x ssaa with 4xmsaa on , if that doesnt drive the point home idk what would let the topic die there is no point wasting time for ignorant people who just cant accept the fact there was never anything really wrong with the 970 till the found out the vram
9:33 Anything below 3,000fps is unplayable to me
+Pan Z Yea i like to have my 25 titan x's in sli too.
Same
Noah Campbell Yep
+Hyde3000 ha you're so poor I love my 420 Gtx Titan x's
+gameplay boss Dude thats dank af, im so jelous
The 970 is still fine in my opinion. I rate 3.5/4
+Cody Williams The GTX 970 effectively has 4 Gigs of ram.... just .5 is slower than the rest. Your argument is invalid.
+Cameron East doesn't change the fact that nvidia lied to their users. And if you were to sli for 4k you would be better of with a r9 390
Cameron East It wasn't an argument, it was a joke. Second of all, the .5 gigs that are "slower" aren't actually slower, they're almost nonexistent. Most games don't even pick up on the extra 500mbs, especially dated titles, Skyrim for instance.
+Cody Williams haha
Cody Williams What if you're not playing Skyrim? And let's see here, "almost nonexistent". ITS STILL THERE. Why are you arguing with facts?
what other people thought: Wow the 970 performs really well
me: Wow he is OP at battlefield
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I have a Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming 4GB and all this 3.5GB VRAM issue is a fuss about nothing, people posting crap about the card and they don't even own one, I play at 2560 x 1440 at have yet to see any issues with the card, no flickering, freezing...nothing. Trust me guys, its a good card, buy with confidence. Rate the comment up so people see.
I too have 970's in sli. 3.5gb vram is fine :P i don't think nvidia done this on purpose, i don't think they wanted to lie to the consumers. Fix will be out soon any hows. Mawr power for the masses.
I have an 970 too there is no problem with it, would i buy it again ... NOPE since 290x lightning cost 330$ and is better then most if not all 970 and if i buy an 970 im saying nvidia that theres no problem with fake spects and etc
yep same here gaming with a pb278Q and gtx970 at 1440p np whatsoever. What's funny is people getting in amoral high horse claiming Nvidia intentionally lied, paradoxically spreading miss information about the performance of a card they don't even own.
They did lie, everybody should know that, should you buy an 970 probably not.
Why? You saying nvidia that it is ok to lie .
Shouldyou send it back? Onlyif you need 4gb or want to use an cheaper card for 1080p and make some profit
I agree they did lie, but it don't affect the performance, maybe with 4k you might see, but I have not seen any issue running at 2560 x 1440 on ultra settings.
I fully expect these comments to be full of fanboys. Those who know how to think with both sides of their minds will get something out of this video, those who don't, well they will likely engage in flame wars down below... take care everyone, I wont be revisiting this video or the comments.
the fanboys theyr'e everywhere
yup... But great video!
Wise decision. I'm not a shill but I'm still disappointed in the 970.
You are right Jay you are absolutely right.
Hey JayzTwoCents maybe i'm wrong but when you were playing Skyrim and talking about Vram you were putting your mouse over the FPS. Is that really what the Vram is? Cause I saw above that other numbers there were Memory Clock and Memory Usage. Not if i'm wrong let me know as I'm not really a big time gamer. I dont play any computer games as my computer is old but still does the job I need it to do. Plus i dont have hardly any money to even be thinking about a gaming computer.
"30 fps is terrible." Damn, we are some spoiled ass gamers.
+jdmikeg4 get the fuck out peasant even with my medium range gpu i lower the settings to get 60fps
+Kvarcaz1337 You must be new to PC gaming.
jdmikeg4 no i'm not actually
jdmikeg4 60 fps is needed bruh minimum
eyes hurts if below 60 fps, fuck the movie producers with their 29fps blurays
I can play gta V at max with using just about over 3,5 gb and I still have 60fps with a 970
I get 90 fps with a 970
+Yee When u disable V-Sync you can get more than 60 fps
***** Disable V-Sync. I have all the settings maxed out and it climbs up to 120 at times. I have a 970 also
thecoolpool1 v-sync makes it so there is less screen tearing I don't know why you would disable it.
G-Sync monitor.
I have an MSI R9 290X Lightning, I have "all" 4GB. Shadow of Mordor still stutters for me. The HD texture pack wants 6GB of VRAM. That's what causes the GPU stuttering.
My friend with an R9 290x Vapor-X 8GB is the only one I know who doesn't get stuttering in SoM. Another friend has the GTX 980 Classified, I believe. He also experiences stuttering with the VRAM hogging HD texture pack.
Just because the game isn't optimized very well for VRAM (let's be honest, the HD texture pack doesn't warrant the amount of VRAM it demands) doesn't mean it's being caused by "VRAMGate".
I've used AMD for GPU's for years. You could even say I'm a fan boy. There are two things that are facts here.
1. If you were going to buy a GTX 970, and decided not to because of the VRAM issue, you're kind of an idiot. In fact you are supremely an idiot, because the price/performance of the card wouldn't be any different with that extra 500 megs of VRAM. You won't find any performance boost or some niche advantage by picking up an R9 290x that is given to it by its "true" 4GB. The only difference is some extra 4k performance from the wider memory bus. However, nobody plays 4k on just one 290x.
2. The GTX 970 is one of the best cards Nvidia has ever made. It is a feat of engineering and the Maxwell architecture has completely blown open the low power/small form factor market. Literally my favorite Nvidia card since the 9800 GTX+.
By your logic, the 970 is a gimped high end card.
My 280x ran it fine at Ultra 60 FPS with the texture pack
Pao S Ohm, yes... Thats why there is the 980 as high end card and the 970 as little brother. R9 290 is also a gimped 290x if you wanna say so.
Benjamin Diepold oh so now the 970 is a mid tier card.
Pao S No. Its the smaller high end card.
I really don't get the argument "hey the benchmarks didn't change". To be fair AT THE MOMENT the 0.5 gb doesn't matter. In future games with higher reqs it will matter. Don't be so shortsighted. I paid good money for this card and I expect it to serve me for couple of years. Nvidia screwed us and they need to refund us. I don't believe it is a marketing mistake. I mean after it came out. The engineers could have corrected this mistake with a press release but they stayed silent. Their actions reveal their psychology which is the psychology of a thief. If they don't fix this I will never buy a product from them again.
I dont think 500mb is going to make you as "futureproof" as you think it will, but your statement about them not updating their press info is correct. That is where they hurt themselves
*****
Obviously you are getting paid to say these things or you lack some knowledge (with all respect). 500 mb vram is not just like every other 500 mb vram. Vram shouldn't be looked at that in that way. For example the PS4 has more vram than gtx 970 but it is weaker.
erdal0 LOL, and your first comeback is at payment... news flash, I dont get paid by any companies to do these videos.
Nope, he has a normal day job like everyone else and if we want to get super technical on the AMD and Nvidia cards like X vs. Non-X then yes, the Non-X versions are always going to be slightly lower clocks than the X versions. Likewise the GTX 980 is always going to be bigger and faster than the 970 and 960 because the 980 is the highest-tiered "Big Brother" to those other 2 cards.
It's just how they're designed. Furthermore, those folks that are getting all bent out of shape over this, it only became apparent on SoM and that was only after having the HD Texture pack which some have admitted that the HD texture pack has some issues there.
In my opinion, as long as I can run everything I want to run in relatively high to max settings, I'm happy. Which it did seem like this card did do just that.
***** my apologies then but do you know that the 0.5 gb is not as fast as the 3.5 gb? They screwed us on multiple levels (us being who bought it). If marketing really made a mistake. They wouldn't have waited with this press release. They are only sorry when they were caught and probably yes they knew we would eventually find out but it was just a trick to trick people and make loads of money.
Is 3.5GB enough for 3 1080p monitors? I will only be playing on 1, while having streams/whatever else on the others.
Lol who buys skyrim for PC and doesn't mod it!?
+Hugo Olloman true
+Hugo Olloman maybe he/she dont have ps3 or x360?
+vjollila96 skyrim has one of the richest modding communities of any game, I'm saying that it would be very unusual to play skyrim on pc without modding
+Hugo Olloman I'm personally going through the game vanilla until I've experienced it entirely on its own.
... Then I'm going to dress it up like a sidewalk hooker and take it around the block.
+Hugo Olloman me
While I will still keep my 970, and the issue doesn't affect me too much, I can see why people are upset. Firstly the matter of false advertising is at play, which is a huge deal. Secondly for people who bought one for high res or for SLI, I can see the issue being a big one. I think Nvidia really needs to apologise and market it as a 3.5GB card, and make amends with returns being simple.
I had a read somewhere in a 970 shitstorm thread in the official nvidia forums that some guy managed to get his 970 exchanged for a reference 980 for free.Hopefully Nvidia officially does start a program like this.As for the 970,i still love mine.Didn't have to change my PSU (Corsair VS550) and it feels like a huge upgrade compared to my old 750 Ti..pretty much destroys everything at 1080p.
They won't market it now as a 3.5 card because you are able to go into those 4 gbs of memory but those last 5 are at a significantly lower speeds. Some people are argue why would I even want the last 5 if they are so much lower than the 3.5 so I can see why you would say that
Well it's still a 4gb card, it's just unfortunate that the last .5 is slower.
Karan Das Doing a swap program would probably bankrupt the company. They said they sold over 1 million 970/980's, and assuming 2/3 or more of them were 970s it is just not feasible.
If I'm buying a 4GB card, I would actually expect to use all 4.
Can't say the testing here was too great, honestly. A ton of people that early adopted the 970 wanted it for, and what it was touted for at that, 1440p+ and being able to decimate games at a low price. Is the VRAM an issue? Yes. More conclusive testing has proven this. Is it still a powerful card? Yes. Is it worth it? Probably not. Everyone told me to get a 970 instead of a second 780, which was stupid advice even disregarding this vramgate schnozzle, because the 970 just had oh-so-much more oh-so-important VRAM, and I disregarded it because 3GB is enough for what I do. The big problem is that everyone went out and (stupidly) early-adopted what was hailed as an amazingly affordable 1440p+ card that had a bout of false advertising relevant to hardware, and not just hardware, but the very specific portion of the hardware relevant to why people bought the card in the first place (again, 1440p+). The big kicker is that many people bought two 970s to drive 4k because it was that "perfect" budget card. With both cards limited to 3.5GB on 4k, this comes up as a much bigger issue. This is the same shit as the gimped titan, ferni, etc. Nvidia really has no shame with their PR, and while this card is still definitely powerful and decent for the price, the more money you give to a company that keeps doing these things, the more likely they'll keep doing it. I think this problem is more rooted in terms of ethics than "oh shit, the 970 is suddenly a terrible card". It's just not what they said it is, and while the 970 isn't any less good, Nvidia definitely is from all of this. I won't be replacing my 780s for a while, but in all likelihood green-team isn't going to see me purchasing anything from them.
I heavily disagree with you since the Steam Hardware Poll from data that is collected from systems shows that over 98% of gamers are on 1080p or less. So where as guys like you and me have 1440p and in my case also 4k monitors, this does not ACCURATELY represent the average buyer. That is who I was talking to in this video. If that wasn't you, then you are in the minority (a cool minority though)
Why would you buy a 970 instead of a second 780? Unless you lack the PSU to power two 780s.
Standards bro. if u wanna write a long post...
please, use paragraphs.
like this? so people will actually READ ur post.
***** Sure, but that's a voluntary hardware survey, and I think it should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. The last time I took a hardware survey was when I was moving from Warcraft 3 to DotA 2 beta like... 3 years ago. I was still using 900p then, but I have 3 monitors, one of which is 21:9 now. Not that I'm saying the survey is outright false, but the numbers are definitely not that high anymore. When people could go out and buy a korean 1440p panel for for 200-300 dollars, drop one from massdrop, etc, 1080p became a lot less relevant. I can go on to mention "anti-DRM" purists that avoid steam too, but that's something in itself.
But yea, the average person that uses 1080p that just slides shit to max and doesn't care? Sure, this is a non-issue aside from the really awful PR of it all. I'm just speaking from experience on ocn/other places where people were really hyped for this card, and they're really justifiably upset that they didn't get what they wanted. I know someone that went from a 780 to a 970. He could've just popped in another 780 and bam, work done, 1.5x the power of a single 970.
Some people are definitely jumping on a bandwagon and acting more upset than they should be or really are, and I personally think those that went out of their way to sell off their 970s are idiots, but even still. It's a really nuanced issue, but I think it's good that it has this much attention albeit some of it being over the top.
***** I wouldn't, because that would be retarded. Everyone thought it was a good idea, though. Muh power consumption, muh vram, etc. I'm good with my 780s.
@JayzTwoCents , I tried to install the GTX 970 in my HP Pavillion, it has an upgraded 600 EVGA PSU, 2 TB Harddrive, 8GB ram, the computer would turn on, but wouldnt get do anything else, the screen would just go black, is this a problem with my motherboard or the Bios?
Hello i was looking into water cooling my reference gtx 970 and when i was looking for a block i only found blocks for the short card version and was wondering if a reference gtx 980 water block would fit and work on my 970 or if not what would you recommend for a block. Thanks
You had a lot more stutters than what the card did hahaha. Love your work, Jay. xD
Is it true that the R9 390 is going to perform waaay better when games with DX12 start rolling out ?
+Baska I also want to now this.
+Baska It already does the majority of the time and yes.
+Baska Yes, but i am pretty sure you got a couple of years before games start using DX12.
+EnthusiasticTaco dx12 games are coming out this year....
MrNappySlapper Battlefront, Ark: Survival are the only one's this year.
Don't forget, they can retail it as DX12, but instead install a patch later down the road.
The next DX12 games are in Feb 2016, and then mid 2016.
I was mainly referring to our millions of exclusives, which probably won't catch on until mid 2017.
***HELP!!*** I bought a second 970 for sli on MSI 990FXA mobo computer wouldn't boot. I removed second GPU & leave newest GPU in booted up perfectly. I shut it down installed original GPU for SLI no boot. I remove second GPU to go back to working config.. now won't boot.. why??? Thank you!!
How can you alt+tab between game and desktop so quickly? I tried doing that for several of my games and most of them took half minutes long....
The reason people with cards that have less than 3 GB are not complaining is simply because knew that their cards had exactly the amount of VRAM that was advertised. It's more of a marketing issue than a performance issue. To me, the 970 is still considered a mid-range card.
Steelgirl Gtx 1050 2GB
It's two years later, I already have this exact video card in my system, and I'm watching this video anyway.
so, what does the remaining 0.5gb do?
how will it be positively used while gaming?
Thanks so much for this vid I wasn't really worried about the ramgate thing at first but after looking around I got worried and you alleviated all of my concerns much appreciated boss.
Was going to get the 970, but I'm gonna wait for the 380x
390x is going to be my next card for at least 5 years, unless of course, I get two
why the 380x. It may just be a rebrand of the Hawaii core (ie a rebranded 290x).
same here i cant wait,got 600$ saved with my hands together looking at the skies!
iamterence77 all r9 300 series will be on the 20nm process so it physically can't be the hawaii series
***** any source for that, I don't remember reading about this.
30 FPS "the FPS is terrible". Funny... 30 FPS used to be the "very playable" point a couple of years ago. Also most cards seem to be 2 gigs so you already have some extra space. People just read stuff and complain, card seems very good to me. I bet most people wouldn't have known anything if they hadn't read it online -_-
I was getting more than 30fps back in 2004, so define "a couple years ago"
When was 30fps playable lol? Like in the 1980s maybe, definitely not a couple years ago.
***** lmao ive had 3 gpus my whole life. first was the intel hd 3000, played everything around 20 fps, then 540m which played at around the same for newer games, now i have the 755m which plays at about 30-35 fps and i used to think 20 fps was super smooth
***** hmm it seems like you thought i was making fun of you. i apologize for the misunderstanding, i was simply sharing my similar experiences in lower fps
Not knowing i not an excuse. I am sure Nvidia would have loved to sell 970 for 2.5 years with the wrong specs but it cant happen. NO really demanding games have released in 2014 that need that much vRAM consistently but Wither 3 and other 2015/2016 games will show a large advantage in favor of AMD Hawaii GPUs. THe 970 will fall drastically behind here in 2015
how is your skyrim fps at like 1000 mine for some reason is capped at 60 no matter what i try its stuck at 60 i try to turn off vsync in nvidia control panel and to no avail still at 60
whats your monitor size, brand or model, and can u suggest me what size is good for desktop gaming experience, currently i have hp zr2240w 22.5" IPS panel with 60Hz
when he said that Skyrim modding is gonna be a niche enthusiast group, I almost choked
It doesn't matter if this is the best card ever made! the fact is they LIED to us when they advertise it as a 4GB vram card!
And how is this a value card when it costs over 300$?
$300...
If only you knew what graphics card prices would be like 4 years later
@@boktorinator693 If only u knew how the rtx 3000 would launch, oh and scalpers
Do you close V-sync for skyrim ? any problems notice with V-sync off? I did :/
Hi Jay, Quick question... how was the sound levels when maxing out on 1080p? Awesome Vid. THnx!
If we take the lies from NVIDIA out:
Whats the prob with the GTX 970?
Its a Enthusiast 3,5G Card.
If you have that much money to go 4K Gaming, you either buy a R9 295x2 or a 980ti/Titan. Seriously.
Who on 4k (really the only thing that uses more than 3G RAM, most Graphic Cards are having 2GB) wants to buy an 970?
If i have the money for 4K and ULTRA Settings on everything, i would go for a 980ti. GTX970 is perfect for normal 720/1080P Gamers.
Nein ! Games like gta v and shadow of mordor use more than 3.5 gb at 1080p. I want to build my new pc and I hate to upgrade, so I want a gpu that is good for future games. I'm pretty sure that future games will use a lot of vram so for me the r9 390 is the better choice. Btw I love your profile picture ^^
Mrmhmd1993 That nein got me.
Yeah, but hey, the R9 390 is pretty high in price. Not everyone wants so spend that much money, on the GPU alone.
And thank you. I dont hear that last sentence often.
The 390 is equal to the 970 in price ! And I don't have a lot of money to buy a 980 ti (more expensive than two 390's). So I'm only considering the 970 and the 390. But as I said, future games will require more than 4 vram so 390 is better on the long run.
Yes I love the german cross (iron cross) and I love the german volk ^^ (I'm not german btw, I'm Arab)
This is an english comment not a german comment. No fucking niens and shit thank you.
TheFumingGamer are you a german ? If not then please stop trolling around and get a life ...
thanks for restoring my hope in the gtx 970.
ok when you were gaming i noticed there was something i think was screen taring no studdering no crashes but how would you get rid of the taring
I've noticed that ever since I switched to pc gaming using the gtx 970 , I see these horizontal lines in my screen that seem like the pictures are being split horizontally. Anybody know what this is?
If its advertised as 4gb and not 3.5gb, then I'm paying for 4gb.
I got 2x STRIX in SLI, and for me who bought them for the sake for current and future gaming, I dont care how well they perform in "current games" in either 1080p, 1440p or 4k, doesnt mean shit to try to neglect that this is a serious problem regarding false advertising.
After a lot of thinking, I've decided to turn them in on the premise on that this was adv. as a 4gb card.
And Jay, I know you are sponsored and shit and have to keep a low key on stuff like this to not get blacklisted, but dont really try to neglect that this is something everybody should be cool with since the avg. gamer plays on 1080p. Get a grip dude...
You really mean its ok for Nvidia to shit down the neck on those who plays on 1440p/4k since there's only 2% of them according to a random chart?...
Also, a lot of people in this thread seems to think that vram memory stack in SLI, wakeupcall, it doesn't.
Zachu89 you are completely right
Zachu89 how are your strix?
alankstiyo They are good, running cool with 1 slot between them, never over 70c.
But I still dont like the fact they got memory problems, but thats Nvidia's fault, not Asus.
so, should I go for a 980 instead? i;m going to play only at 1080
Coming from the 570 to the 970, this is still way better than before.
I see that the problems with the VRAM start to appear at 4K resolutions. does that mean that at 1080P where I game there should be no problems at all?
So I'd been looking at an r9 290x ( I do moderate gaming) but mostly video work. Most of which is in 1080 but moving to shooting in 4k in about a year. I was told the 290x was inferior to the 970. Thoughts?
i consider 30 fps a great gaming experience, your really selling me on this card. i mean what 500mb anyways, right guys?
so basically, if your playing a more demanding game, like shadow of mordor, or in the future witcher 3, dont turn everything up to ultra if it takes too much from vram.
Jeremy Greenlee also i will only play 1080p.
one day you will need that 0.5 gb vram
***** dude, why would you steal my laptop? dude, exact same thing here. how much you want to bet someone is going to tell us that we will change our minds when we play a game at 1080p 60fps? well news for them i have the dmc that runs 1080p 60fps on console and it's a fun game. and not because of framerate, its just fun to play
***** a fast paced gane like BL2 is good at 30fps. but i do enjoy it more at 60. ive said before FPS games are better at 60 but still fun at 30. TP games are perfect at 30, ive played gtav since it came out and its fun as hell
really 3.5gigs of vram is plenty for 1080p gaming. youre not going to buy a 970 to play games in 4k, for something like that youd need a 980ti sli
+hayharut Well, one 980Ti should be enough for 4K I'd say. :D
really? a single 980ti can pull 60fps on 4k? i thought it was around 30?
hayharut Neither, it's more like 50-60 fps (without MSAA, which to be honest isn't needed at all ;) ). WIth MSAA it's like 40-50fps. And we are speaking here of max details, just turning 2 or 3 options a little down will give you 60fps experience without really sacrificing the quality. ;)
+Dennis Jungbauer not bad. totally worth 700 bucks if you have the bank for it
hayharut That's right, it's, relatively seen, a good price point! But I'm happy with my GTX 970 (without VRAM problems, just to mention^^). :)
So what is an alternative to this if you want to play shadow of Mordor at full settings and modding?
How would this card be with triple 1080p hd monitors, for use on racing sim games and Photoshop? This is my first build.
guys im building a new pc and what should i get r9 290x or gtx 970 my processor is a i7 4790k
970 or a 980 if you can afford. 980 is the best atm you can buy for money
290x
I would recommend to either wait for the 300 series or to get the R9 290 Vapor-X.
Come at me Nvidia fgts.
go with 980
*****
wait what???
So if I SLi the GTX 970, that means I'll get 7GB instead of 8GB?
SPARTACUS_QC dumbass
λ3 why is he dumb he's right
Bilbo Baggins vram can stack.
SputzNiz Games no
λ3 no you are a fucking dumbass ha ha lol you said he was dumb ahh typical console pesant
So I should be able to run most games on 1080p ultra settings? That's al I'm looking for. I don't want 1440p or 4k. Just 1080p at ultra.
hello sorry i dont speak engl. what better - gtx 780ti (dx11 4gb many tmu) or gtx 970 (some issue with gb ram, but dx 12 and better in some games?) ? Thx waiting answer )
Did anyone else press SHIFT+TAB when it showed up in the video?
yup
Skyrim looks so sexy when you have 50 4k texture mods and 30 more graphics enhancing mods with ENB installed;)
Sorry I'm a bit late to this, but I'm looking into getting a 970 right now. I'm not too tech savvy either... but can the .5 gig VRAM be made up with expanded RAM? Or is it that VRAM is so much faster than RAM (being integrated onto the GPU), that makes skips happen?
question: is it possible to change a graphics card from laptop? thanks for reply
even the FTW+ (top of the 970 line) is now going for as low as $150 . Damn good deal for a console killer budget PC. Upgraded my old PCIe 2.0/ivy bridge machine with one.
Where do you find them so cheap?
used on auction sites. Just got to be patient and try to get one w/ low mileage (warranty is transferred) and hasn't been user overclocked. I'm playing Far Cry 3 on Ultra settings 1080p right now, no prob.
Seems legit. Could try that option, I'm aiming to get an rx 470 but since my budget is tighter than honey boo boo's training bra I will definitely consider that if the opportunity is presented lol
i play at 1080p max settings on every hard hitting game, hasn't been any problem with me. even with 4K resolution with nvidia's DSR, it still hovers around the acceptable 30fps++, but i'm pretty sure nobody plays at 4K resolution this day and age, probably in 5 years when 4K is the standard, but not today. it is a beast of a card, more powerful than the R9 290X, close to the GTX 780 Ti, only requires a 500W PSU, at the price of $300++. if you're still paranoid, wait for AMD's offering this year, in the form of the (R9 390?), or anything similar.
What if someone got two 970's and a 4k monitor and can't play any heavy games like battlefield cause of the stuttering and the frame drops you get when you use more than 3.5 gb vram. gtfo bro i hate nvidia cause of this.
Jesse Pinkman If you buy a 970 single card to use at 4k, then you are doing it wrong anyway.
***** he said 2 970s. but i see the "edited" tag so maybe he cheated and changed it after u told him lol?
tothfirytoob No i just edited some other stuff. i always said two 970's, so i don't quite understand either.
***** That's a dumb as fuck comment. What the fuck is a "4K ready" GPU? You mean ones that say they have 4GB of RAM? My dual R9 290's handle 4K just fine...as would the GTX 970's if they...ya know...ACTUALLY HAD 4GB OF VRAM!
Them being 3.5GB with massive performance loses past that is the problem here. Plenty bought a couple for SLI to use with 4K, because they can't due to the VRAM issue (and not because they aren't "4K ready" according to you) is where the issue is.
Will the issue also affect if playing games like Dying light and AC unity if played at high settings? GTX 970 costs about $480 in India or should i go with another card?
this video gave me all the answers that i searched for! :D great video mate! :)
Let me catch my son buying a GTX 970
BIRDMAN AHAHAHAHA
You don't have to worry about the 3.5g if u play on 1080p.
+Delnie you will have to, in a year or two.
+GameCrow's In a year or two most dedicated gamers worried about such an issues will buy a new Gen GPU Card i've bought the 970 and I'm not really bothered i'm annoyed yes worried no 2 years down the line i'll buy a better card.
Its a good,solid card, but the 3.5 gb issue is really gonna make you want to upgrade after 2 years. Thats all I wanted to say.
(trying to not to sound like a fanboy but I think I will keep my r9 390 for like 3 or 4 years)
I agree the r9 390 is a better card for longevity but i myself can not see myself settling for a mid range card when a better card comes out in a couple years time i think most people will get itchy feet and buy something better by the time the r9 390 feels like it was a better investment then a 970 the thing that makes the debate so back and forth about he two card it that they are very close in price performance i'm not to surprised 3,5gb vs 8gb that like saying my 2.0l petrol is quicker than your 1.6l diesel car.Its the price that makes an argument if the r9 390 was say 20% more money this wouldn't be a issue or debate in the first place.
Anyway i like my card you like yours. if nvidia pull the same stunt in a couple years time with the gb issues i'll be investing in amd we will see.
Wait for pascal/polaris series.
For 4-5 years all amd did was refresh their old series and sell them with new names, Im honestly suprised how well those cards perform considering Its a fucking old technology.
But with pascal/polaris things will be different,
They will use a new technology and HBM instead of GDDR5. So you better wait untill they release and prices get lower.
8 gb vram is a little overkill for 1080p right now. I agree on that,even the most vram hungry games use like 4 gb at best settings.
But with time games eat more and more vram,
For example 2 gb is nothing right now but I remember some big channels were saying shit like ''you will never need more than 2g for vram for 1080p''.
and 1 year later, now 2 gb is nothing lol.
Is there a specific way to download/install mods to have them appear in Steam or is that just how mods are? I'm new to this
I'm planing to build a pc using Nvidia gtx 970 with 3 monitor. Can it still perform well with 1080p?
i bought this card 2days ago and i would buy it again. gta5 shows me 4gb but on 1080p i use only 3gb. Also a big leap for me cause i went from a gtx560ti lol. Battlefield 4 runs like a beast 140 fps i feel like playing mario
+La Bella Damir I have the card as well, and I only game at 1080P. It kills anything at the resolution I'm gaming on, so I'm happy with my purchase.
The Arbiter Me 2. I presonally am not into 4k stuff, i cant find a reason to have a 4k resolution because i am poor sighted, my 1080p is already 4k equivalent lol. Anyhow, 3.5 + 0.5 memory ? well, it stays idle in 29 C with 0 fan rpm i mean omg :)) I am actually redescovering allready played games like Bf4 (witch i play from release) and now I am like "uuu the graphics" lol. Still think gtx970 is best buy now but Nvidia has much to lose in terms of Pr. At least they could have decrease the price a little. Or maybe they did and i dont know
+La Bella Damir I saw on Linus channel when he did a video on this as well he had a chart saying BF4 uses the most vram then most game like .5GB more then 3.5GB. Since I play on large conquest or small closterfuck maps 64v64 player maps, Is this going to be a problem for me? Should I go for a gtx980 or r9 390x. How come Jay was getting around 70fps and you got 140 fps?
+Shadower1337 that was a fresh install of the card with the old settings and my mind was blown away haha. I have the bf4 video settings as in the video exept field of view is set higher at 90 degrees (more ram needed for that) but the resolution scale is set at default 100. Average fps i think is around 95 - 100. I play 1080p with cpu i 7 4770 16gb ram. if you can aford a gtx 980 then higher is better no ? But such investment for bf4 makes no sense maybe only if you play 4k monitors wich means you are loaded so you dont need to question about wich one to buy :)
+La Bella Damir OMG! same old card and bought the same card too :D mine was the 560TI TOP
It's way too obvious that Jay was trying to smooth over the 970's vram-problem. First of all, it's a HUGE legal problem, since the lawsuits that followed contained accusations saying that Nvidia intentionally deceived their customers, and that the product did not live up to the claims that were made. And secondly, the performance problem is very real, given the sheer amount of people who experienced it. I mean, it's very easy to bump up settings, mods and overall resolutions to surpass a 3,5GB vram usage, at which point the problem reveals itself.
The main reason that Jay didn't test this at higher resolutions was because he knew that it would definitely show some problems. So he made up an excuse for only testing at 1080p. Now, some people defended the whole thing by saying: "Well, a single 970 can't really handle more than 1080p anyway, meaning that people didn't buy it for 1440p or 4k gaming."
The answer to that would be all the people who bought MORE THAN ONE 970, to play games at 1440p, and perhaps at 4k to a certain degree as well. The thing is that the 970, with its claimed "4 Gigabytes" should be perfect in a 2-way SLI configuration, given that 4GB is a quite decent margin, even at 1440p. And since vram doesn't stack in Crossfire or SLI, those 4GB were imperative for a non problematic gaming experience. So these people were the real losers, since the strangled vram on the 970 made their planned gaming experience a lot less worth. Luckily though, most buyers could return their 970's without too much of a hassle.
+gustavlp You don't like it, don't buy it, simple as that, Go ahead, get an r9 390 that has 8gigs of buffer of which will never come to relevance because the architecture is damn near 6 years old now.
Who plays games at 4k with a 970? Yes it's an high tier card but at most 1440p is what someone would play on this. 4k is NOT viable even with a 980ti. The tech right now just isn't good enough. 970 at a ~300 price range (200 used on craigslist) is great for 1080p and light 1440p gaming.
amd fanboy?
+sHir0 true, 4k is still pretty much overkill today.
***** it is too overkill for a 970
i just purchased this card and i dont understand why the mem usage goes above 5GB sometimes, and im not talking about RAM, does anyone has an idea about it?
may i ask? What's your PC Specs you used for the gameplay?
I'm playing the new Doom on a GTX 680 2gb VRAM. Hovers between 30-40 at 1440p. Very playable and damn nice looking. I left all the settings alone and let it choose what it thought was best.
I can only assume the 970 would play this brand new game wonderfully.
+Joshgts I guess I should clarify. It plays around 40... and dips to 30 in rough spots. That much said, I have a 970 arriving tomorrow.
BTW I do have an Xbox One. Mostly for my son's racing games. Can't stand console controllers for FPS games.
+Kuth70 Just got a 970 to play doom as well :P Upgrading from a gtx 760.
Doom 1080p ultra settings, locked 60fps, with Max AA settings. The consoles use a dynamic resolution to maintain high fps. Not an apples to apples comparison, but probably one of the best games for console performance, since 20-30 fps seams acceptable in many console titles. They should at least give console players a 720p higher fps option, since some console owners appreciate smooth gameplay, and lower input lag.
+TheCgOrion sorry, using the gtx 970. I was reporting that it runs great.
The Thing is r9 390 8gb no reason to take 970
+The True Terror except for the fact that the card is way more expensive here in sweden
+SKT T1 ProCryonicX In Sweden, Nvidia Cards are more expensive than AMD cards? o.O
SKT T1 ProCryonicX Well that would be specific for Sweden. At the most other countries they match in price.
***** For how much?
Whyyyyy I regret buying my Gtx 970
I got the msi GTX 970 4GB and I began having issues with Arma2OA. No other game only A2OA.
To explain the main issue I would be playing as normal and then it would just freeze frame then crash to desktop and a message would be displayed stating "video driver has stopped responding and has recovered".
After many days of attempting fixes.. from reinstalling drivers, increasing voltage, disabling Physx, scanning for bitcon mining and everything in between.. I had no success...
Clutching at Straws but would it be at all possible that this VRAM fiasco could be the cause?
The card is on RMA right now but for my own curiosity...
I got the Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming edition, and got OC Guru 2, but have no idea how to overclock it properly as far as I could tell. Any tips or stats I should follow?
Modders are a niche group? Are you serious? Most everyone who plays Skyrim mods it in some way.
Jaakko Tranberg You should look up the definition of niche
***** Are you saying that you didn't mean "narrow segment of customers" with your niche comment? If not, what then?
Arma 3 is the only game i know of that uses 3.5 GB on my GTX970 and it still runs very smooth and arma 3 is not really known for running good
And just want to say here that no one knowing anything about gaming hardware would say a GTX 780 is a bad card and that has only 3GB of VRAM
So when a game exceeds 3.5gb of vram and starts to use system ram, will having a very fast DDR4 system ram help minimize fps drop better than the common DDR3?
Vram and system ram dont interact. if you exceed the 3.5gb vram limit and force the 970 to access the slower .500mb you can expect huge fps drops, artifacts and even system crashes.
ok this is all confusing so im just gonna ask i want a graphics card that can play games like the withcer on ultra or so at 1080p can anyne recommend a card? like theres so much fighting in these videos i dont know who to believe
Don't forget there are people who will use this card for other things, 3D rendering for example. I understand that is a minority but it reflects the fact that video cards aren't used for games exclusively.
Video Rendering wont touch even a fraction of the RAM.
I was talking 3D renders. My personal renders have used around 2GB of memory, but it wasn't anything too complex. Add in complex geometry, caustics and other bells and whistles and you will run into the memory wall. I quote from the blender wiki:
"Why does a scene that renders on the CPU not render on the GPU?
There maybe be multiple causes, but the most common is that there is not enough memory on your graphics card. We can currently only render scenes that fit in graphics card memory, and this is usually smaller than that of the CPU. Note that, for example, 8k, 4k, 2k and 1k image textures take up respectively 256MB, 64MB, 16MB and 4MB of memory.
We do intend to add a system to support scenes bigger than GPU memory, but this will not be added soon."
*****
on the part of you talking about Linux saying " it matters which games you play in order to determine how much vram you need" is actually pretty true but he did also add in a part saying how much for the games in the future you want to play and how much they will need too.
On the part about professional applications needing tons of VRAM yes this is true though i see most of them getting a quadro + tesla mix or a 980 over a 970 with the quadro + tesla being preferred over the 980 of course but the 980 being used if the money is not there ... the 980 not the 970 as most applications in 3D rendering do not use normal SLI nor normal crossfire thus making rendering on a single card much better than hoping that it will render on multiple cards for all the applications that they use for 3D rendering.
For gaming though it still looks like 2x 970s whcih are only a little more than 1x 980 are the better bet for the best sub $1,000 mark GPU budget performance.
3d Rendering only uses the CPU. The GPU is only useful for the viewport.
No I had no intention of trolling.
By 3D rendering I meant rendering non-interactive media (animations) via softwares (Cinema 4D, 3DS Max, Maya,...) that are CPU intensive (because of the complex calculations).
When people mention "3d rendering", they don't refer to live rendering inside video games, but rather the non-interactive video rendering inside 3d animating softwares which primarily rely on the CPU.
Look it up if you're not sure what I mean.
To me it's worth it since I got it for $150
Ok I'm new to video card since I am just getting into gaming on a PC have they fixed the ram issue or not because they are still saying it has 4GB of ram.
i saw alot of screen tearing there which maybe the vsync being off?, i have switched from my old radeon 7970 to this card and have noticed in one of my games binary domain has the water pixel glitch and i wo derd why this could be? any one got any ideas?
The 970 is pretty good actually, I rate 3.5/4
I have an EVGA SC GTX 970 ACX2.0, i love it!
I had a Zotac GTX 550Ti that i am planing to throw in a cheap LAN rig or a custom ghetto microwave PC. ^.^
Captain Gray good idea :)
really im getting the same version have you overclocked it
Joegaming
The GTX 970? Yes i have tested and overclocked the core from it's base clock at 1165 MHz to 1350 MHz.
The temps are alright at around 55-60 Celsius during load, But the FPS in most games aren't affected by it.
I set the fans so they increase 1% in speed per 1C degree increase in temperature. I still use an old version of Zotac Firestorm.
Captain Gray awesome man I'm planning to get the SSC acx 2.0 + one and I'm excited because thats a nice overclock and you have awesome temps also what games aren't being affected by your overclock
Joegaming I run all games at 1080p maxed out without any AA / SSAA / MSAA / FXAA etc. But Advanced PhysX are turned on in certain titles.
All games runs smoothly at least 60+ FPS.
Some games that did not benefit much/at all from overclocking what i could see or notice included:
Metro: Last Light
Far Cry 3
Battlefield 4
Planetside 2
Verdun
Warframe
Skyrim (With ENB presets)
Mirror's Edge
Battlefield 3
Goat Simulator.
If I plan to play modded skyrim and 512 pixels resource packs on minecraft should I get an R9 390 instead?
I'm trying to find-out what's the ATI (now owned by AMD) equivalent of a "nVidia GeForce GTX 970". Does anyone have any idea?
(P.S. I found a refurbished HP-Z440 that is coming with a 700W power-supply and a EVGA "nVidia GeForce GTX 970". As well as a Intel "Xeon E5-1630 V3" processor (3.7GHz, 4 cores, 8 threads), and 16GB of DDR4 RAM).
4GB advertise is fake. If they try to pull that agains what the future of GPUs hold?
Next time i will sell you a GPU with 8GB-DDR5 and put 1+7DDR2 VRAM on it. Stop been stupid men. Im PC/Electronic Tech.
Well technically it does have 4gb it's just the 3.5 and the 0.5 are spilt. The 0.5 isn't as fast as the 0.5 when I first got the 970 and heard this I was upset but I just lowered down the graphics a little bit and the games still look really good so I'm fine. But yeah let's just hope nvidia never does this again
+SDK_IronHawk as the 3.5*
I bought a 970 knowing this 3.5Gb was not an issue. It does not boder me cause the performance is still the same and not even Batman or Shadow of Mordor had any issue when max out. No game will ever need the 4GB for 1080p anyways. But they should not present something as full DDR-5 when a chunk of it performe less than that. (I speak spanish, dont mind my spelling)
+Thunder Kat ever heard of rounding? Advertisers do it all the time. Take a look at how much data your hard drive holds its less than advertised I guarantee it.
Straight forward answer here, if you going to run this card on GTA 5 on 4K resolution, then don't bother. GTA 5 is known for using lots of RAMs. And some games like Battlefield 4, Shadow of Mordor, The Witcher 3 used beyond 3.5GB on 4K. So might as well stick to AMD or pay more for 980.
***** he is not a fanboy, he said to go for the extra mile and get the 980
***** i saw that a long time ago
***** lol its been confirmed that the hbm cards will be launched under "fury" name. And given that the 290x can nearly compete with the 980 as is, the clock speed bump and extra ram will bring that closer
***** i wouldn't say its a rebrand. but its more like a reworked.
Though how many people even play on 4k?95% of gamers play on 1080p or less so..
How is it, if I'm using it for video editing, did you noticed anything there?
If I'm just going to be gaming at 1080p for now, will the card be worth it even if I make the jump to 1440p in the future?
Jay- I think you're off when you say that "the average PC gamer won't buy Skyrim and start modding." The kind of person that buys a GTX 970 and plays Skyrim at a resolution of 1080p or higher will most likely want to mod the game, to make it look prettier. While it may be true that the majority of gamers are running at 1080p or lower right now, the GTX 970 is a high-end card. I want to see what resolution most people buying a GTX 970 are gaming at. You also have to consider the issue when it comes to SLI. Quite a few people that buy a graphics card like this intend to run 2 or 3 of them in SLI, at resolutions far above 1080p. This is where it falls on it's face. On top of that, it's not enough to say "the majority of gamers will be ok with this." If ANY paying customers are being affected by this issue, they should get some type of compensation from Nvidia or it's board partners, IMO. It's not a good line of thinking to suggest that a miscommunication or outright deception should be written off because it didn't affect a high percentage of people. This is an issue of ethics.
Your testing methodology was very flawed, IMO, and didn't sufficiently test the product in the environment that it was intended/marketed for. That environment is high resolution, high-end, often modded gaming. That's what your GTX 970s and 980s are for. That's not really what you tested. Then there is the issue of integrity for Nvidia and their board partners. I don't blame people for being put-off by Nvidia's handling of this situation. They not only allowed their customers to be misled about the memory situation, but the ROPs as well. Now that they have their customer's money, they have shown no indication that they are going to do ANYTHING for those who ARE being affected by this.
hartsickdisciple I still dont believe what you wrote. I believe that since YOU do those things, that you think most others do too. Believe me or not, its the other way around.
***** Actually, I don't do those things. I currently own a mildly-overclocked GTX 760 and game at 1080p. That's more than enough GPU for the vast majority of games at my resolution.
High-end GPUs are for top performance in demanding scenarios. I stand by my statement that a significant percentage of people buying a GPU like the GTX 970 didn't buy it to run vanilla games at 1080p. That's not the target audience for this product.
To me, your test is analogous to someone hearing about a high-end sports car intended for track use having overheating problems.
They decide to test this claim by getting one and testing it... except their test involves doing 3 laps at 100 mph, when it's supposed to be a 200 mph car that can handle whole track days.
Did they test the car sufficiently to reach an educated conclusion as to the validity of the complains about the car in it's intended environment? Absolutely not. The same is true of testing 3 or 4 vanilla games with a GTX 970, running at 1080p.
This is not even getting into the issue of principle, which is the bigger one IMO. Nvidia and their board partners allowed the product to be misrepresented. It's called full disclosure, and they didn't do it.
hartsickdisciple Lol I was a total PC noob when I built my first PC and the first thing I did was mod skyrim
Shadow of Mordor = unnecessary clicking simulator
+Meme master Flex runescape
Arnold Schwarzeniqqa True true
+Noah Jilek aww come on now, don't give it that name
i am about to make my own gaming build and i am between AMD radeon R9 (4GB) and GTX970 (3,5GB) i dont plan to crossfire (SLI), for now, although i remember i read that the heat output of the R9 would be a major factor in a crossfire configuration, which one
you suggest
wow thanks for the indepth video! thanks jay
Man that cooler master ad was bad. That ¨extreme¨ style of the voice is such an old joke (i hope it was a joke) that its annoying.
If it annoyed you then it was so worth it!
*****
That was uncalled for...What I don´t have the right to express resentment on an annoying ad? Are all ads well made by default now?
On the other hand an ad´s purpose is to stick in your head so in that sense it worked perfectly.
***** Man can you tell me what CPU do you have???
mormegil231 Your suffering is delicious.
I dont know about u but shadow of mordor did stutter even tough u had 70fps. Thats a new game compared to battlefield or skyrim. So yes ramgate as some may call it is real. We will see this more often with new upcomings i think. Lets see when witcher 3 comes out and that game has immense textures. I am glad i didnt buy 970 lets see whats coming out this year.
the shadow of mordor stuttering may have been a seperate issue as some people have found, the stutters correlated with the gpu core usage which had random dips. someone on this comment section has a link to an article on the subject.
1toncheese
I did not experience any stutters on my machine and i run it on 1440p. I have to admit 1080p is on its way out. Why author decided to use this resoultion is beyond me. I will wait till witcher 3 comes out, as of now buying 970 would hurt my mojo.
If you actually watched the video he said why he only did 1080 and that was because 98% of steam poll users only have 1080 or lower.
Jordan The Toaster it can't be Wright then. Why buy expensive card to play 1080p. I am on 1440p for the last two years. And I don't know why anyone now or even 6mnths ago go for 1080p. Well I do agree that casual players are on 1080p but they also don't buy £300 gpu to play casually. So in a nut she'll a majority who bought 970 are on 1440p or higher and this fact is often missed. Have a great day.
I had 2 660s and i now have 2 770s and i still use 1080.
I have one bought & in the mail as i write this, for my new rig, and wondering has anything been done since launch regards to any changes to the hardware or even packaging to like say its 3.5gb?
for reference i ordered the Asus Strix 970, should be a good match with the i7-4790 cpu?
what card is it? ik its 970 but wich one of them
4GB is for ppl gaming at 1440p; and up. lets be honest lol.
Gta v and metal gear solid v and shadow of mordor use more than 4gb vram in 1080p ultra
It's just a 0.5 gb less, the fps will probably just drop like 5
Frappo Ccino still not acceptable
***** Why?
Frappo Ccino you should get what you pay for,why compromise and get cheated
-1 sub mate cause I feel you either got (paid*) for this video or you are green to the bone. You can't say with confidence to your audience about that this will not happen again and make EXCUSES on behalf of Nvidia. Really dissapointed mate.You are trying to convice people that they are ok buying a 4GB graphics card when they get 3.5 because your opinion is that the general buyer will not use high demanding things. NO my opinion is I pay for 4 large tomatoes I get 4 large tomatoes not 3 large and 1 cherry tomato, even if I use them or not. People paid for what it was advertised and they did not get it. Thats some tricky stuff and I dont like them. Sorry If my English are not the best as it's not my first language.
Well said. Totally agree
What he's saying is that for the average gamer, even though there was a miscommunication, 3.5gbs of vram is not a problem. He's not making excuses. He's making valid point. The card performs fine and everyone was extremely impressed with it, so it's not really a problem
Agreed, 970 was a failure.
contrast to AMD Vega launch pricing attitude...
you really are a grade A twat
Is it possible that the Recording software puts down the fps a bit? Not saying just asking.
Would this card work for a game like Just Cause 3? My son's computer has a R9 270x with 2 gb and this is the first game that we have noticed constant frame rate drops and he has played Fallout 4 , Arc , Skyrim flawlessly..He has a i5 4460 with 8 gb of ram
This video has aged badly with your stance on AMD 'they lied to us don't buy Radeon' . Makes no sense, lying about the hardware and reviewers marketing that product based on those lies is far more serious.
Eh pisses me off I bought this card. Whatever though I'll just buy AMD from now on.
Does anyone know what other specs he was using during the tests? (Cpu, ram, motherboard etc) Thanks!
Hi, sorry for my bad English. I have amd a10 6800k+evga gtx660 sc 3gb version. I'm planning to upgrade for any gtx970. I need to change my cpu+mobo or will be fine with this gpu? Thanks for any help!