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"If it's stupid and works... it's not stupid." ~The Mighty Jingles
back to the salt mine!!!
"If it stupid and works... it's still stupid and you're lucky." ~ Murphy's 50 Laws of Combat Operations
Really appreciate that you convert that temperature to celsius.
Edit: Oh God! I've started a war.
Mustafa Ahmed yes and I wish when people use Celsius they would convert it back to Fahrenheit
The Minecraft Expidition the difference is Farenheit are stupid lol
Erik MetalyRock have you used it before
Erik MetalyRock you clearly dont live in america and never have. you cant say something is stupid when the entire united states uses it
ALPHA_exe and still most of the West including Canada still
'So just like the way i made my kids'
*struggles getting that pipe in*
Hook the radiators to the buildings AC directly. :)
THIS^^^^
you should put a trash bag around the outtake of the ir conditioner and the radiato
Hook the compressor coolers direct to the GPU / CPU :)
only to cool the PC when the AC detects the hallway on the other side of the building to be slightly higher than target temp, all the while your PC is just cooking itself to death... brilliant plan, what's your failsafe?
This problem was solved in the 1970s at IBM where I work. IBM Mainframes use chilled water, not air or room temperature water for cooling. Water to water heat exchangers remove heat between the chilled water loop cooling the cpus and the secondary water loop used to draw heat out of the primary downstream loop. Water to water is much more efficient than water to air.
Here's my ridiculous idea:
Cool more than one, possibly 5 beefy gaming PCs with a single watercooling loop? And try to stay at ambient on all components?
Linus tech tips tried this called full room watercooling
mike v: no, not like that, like really have them super janky daisy-chained like in this video and try somehow to get everything to ambient
Yer how many PCs can this thing cool?
basically you can achieve this by making the same thing with all 5 Systems and then you connect them together.
Each System has :4x 480 Rads 1x Pump 1x Big Fan to blow through the radiators
connect everything in series and there you go everything is ambient. It really is just a numbers problem.
if heat dissipation >= heat production then the system will run at ambient as long as we have equal flow.
Execuor: Yeah but then size becomes a problem. All your big fans and AC's take some place, you can't just lay them around. Like imagine a 5 Gamers 1 Cooling loop thing, daisy chained in serial and not parallel.
Cool reminds me, about 7 years ago I created a geo thermo PC cooler. I live in Alaska. I dug a hole in the sand in the crawl space under my house and set a 5 gallon bucket in the sand and filled it with water and tubed it to a pump and water block on my CPU. Ran the tygon tubing though the floor. The ground under my house stays about 50ºF year round and it worked just fine. I don't the water in the bucket ever changed a degree.
That is amazing.
alaska always wins
Next put the rads in an ice bath? 😀😎
Trail Features bitwit did that already.
Na ice salt water, that way it can go below 0c
Well hello Ethan from h3h3
why not use liquid nitrogen while you're at it lul
oldmanian this is true. However, let's be honest, most of what Jay is trying here has been done before. We're just enjoying Jay's personality and seeing his own personal spin on the idea. 😉
Still not as bad as drilling through a MB jay..... Lol
man, how THAT video is called?
He is always selling himself short.
He's going to hear that one for a long time lol,who drills a hole in a motherboard :D
Frederic Vandeputte Jay does!
Bohdan Lvov EKWB Predator 240 AIO - Is it the best AIO ever??
8:37 best part of the video. You can literally see the light bulb light up.
cap best is 4:00
@@foristebt nice
jay: makes a big ass watercooling radiator
linus: uses a space heater radiator to cool a pc
jay: uses an air conditioner as a pc cooler
is this some sort of crazy watercooling war?
Alex Marczuk YES watercooling wars.
honestly, I think there is a little bit of friendly rivalry there... though, Jay seems to be a little more public about it than Linus
What next, using the resulting heat gradient to generate electricity? (Yes, I know how thermodynamics works, I'm just wondering if you can extract a worthwhile amount of energy from the waste heat. Probably not, even with one of those tiny Stirling engines you can rest on your hand.)
that actually sounds like a fun - if somewhat pointless - experiment
Must be a slow news day.
I really hope that pinwheel becomes a regular metric for visualizing airlow
Wouldn't you use a wind sock or a weather vane? Well, Jay insisted it wasn't scientific or fruitful, so anything goes, I suppose.
Yeah same here
I prefer a hot girl in a short skirt with airflow directed at..... use your imagination
Jay wearing a Kilt.
no
Doesnt that give like crazy overclocking headroom?
@@ikevermander1325 the most casual yeah I've seen yet
Kinda.... there’s only so much you can do with that system. The next biggest problem is the CPU and GPU internal heat that can only be countered by direct cooling from something like liquid nitrogen. This system could never compete with that.
Yapsonark time wise tho couldnt something like those work? Nitrogen systems last for no time at all without having constant fuel added
WIGGITY WhiteFox the biggest issue is the internal heat can’t leave the processor fast enough thru the liquid cooling, there’s a limit with this process. This build compared to something more realistic is going to have very similar performance. The reason liquid nitrogen is the next step is because the extreme cooling is much more effective in countering the internal heat which allows for more insane over clocking.
* "NVIDIA has locked the GTX 1080 Ti voltage to 1.093v. It does not matter what brand you have, you cannot exceed this without hard modifications to the card. That means your maximum overclock cannot surpass 2.2GHz because of how Boost 3.0 works once again with thermal, power, and voltage limitations." -OCC
This means no matter how cold that card gets, it will never go over 2.2GHz. So technically he could get "crazy" overclocking headroom, but it would probably be the same amount as throwing a single 240mm AIO on there. Put it this way: he will NEVER thermal throttle, but he would be limited by other factors.
I love this Video, i have actually asked myself thath question so THX.
SUGGESTIONS:
1. Put 1x 140 directly to the AC unit.
2. Delid the cpu 4 more Cooling / liquid metal
3. Make a bong cooler
4. Add the AC to the Bong cooler 4 ULTIMATE COOLING
5. Tabe a radiator to the outside of your card and drive fast to cool the pc.
6. Is "passive" watercooling possible? (no fans)
7. Make a watercooled mining rig.
8. Make a system that can keep your food warm. (somehow let cpu/gpu always run at 80C and ajust cooling acordingly)
9. Make a loop with a fountain.
10. Do everything Insuggested in 1 loop.
I hope you like my suggestions.
6. Was last video
7. Is like any other water cooled system
8. Linus tested that years ago, it didn't work
8 actually did work... ish
6. Well but like a proper longtime test would be nice.
7. Well it would still be a challenge to cool like 12 GPUs in one loop.
8. Mabey Jay can do it better. #WatercoolingWARS
take apart the AC and mount the rad as close to the fan as possible
using °C for all the non americans
ok ok I don't know a single enthusiast who doesn't monitor their temperatures in Celsius. Talk in Fahrenheit, yes, but Celsius where it matters.
Celsius is half as accurate at ambient as Fahrenheit so there's that
Nicholas Kowalczyk I use F for literally everything as an American.... Except my CPU/GPU temps..... jfc
Nietzschean Ideal think about that for a minute it exists for F as well you’ll need more decimal points just to be equally as accurate
Nietzschean Ideal oh and decimals weren’t used... fucking moron
"I found my condom-its not very effective"- A Dad in 2019-
post malone is going to love his new pc
Ha! Good one
Lol
i guess he is waiting for 1180 ti
2080ti*
Jay, you should do a janky rig with a bunch of Peltier coolers after the rad portion of the loop hot-wired to the 12v rail of a strong psu
There needs to be an ultimate showdown video where Linus tries to heat a room with a computer and Jayz tries to counter with a cooling setup.
So did you have that much trouble making yer kids Jay :D
Hopfully Jay RTFM on how to make his kiddos
he's like a fireman lol. only people i know that can take a square peg and force it into a round hole.
so there's a wrong way to turn when making kids too?
clockwise is not good.
oh yeah, one wrong turn and your kiddos are headed straight for the pooper lol
2:41 "We don't read the RTFM..." hmmmmm lol
But they do go to ATM machines
haha, my kind of crazy :)
love to see a mini freezer used as a cooling solution, say with the cooling pipe work bundled up inside being passed "carefully" though drilled inlet/outlet holes :)
Nice video. You should get a beer chiller, the one that's used in cooling beer that comes out of keg and runs through chiller to a tap.
And use it instead of the rads, you could get loop temps as low as 4C.
Jockey Box with 120 ft coil would be interesting! I'm not a computer wiz by any means, but I know how to chill some beer down.
IBM water to water heat exchangers using chilled water at 40 degrees Fahrenheit have been used on mainframes since the 1970s. Assuming this problem had not been solved by a company like IBM with nearly unlimited financial and intellectual resources is very naive. BTW, I work at IBM.
why would you run cooling at below 4C your just asking for condensation to form and short your components, unless you had the system enclosed and blowing dry air through it.
I had my systems running at sub zero all the time I think it's still on my channel..
I personally love these videos. Especially watching you make an air duct out of a power supply box and Gaff tape.
Now I know what Intel used to cool their 5ghz 28 core overclock at Computex!
LGA 3647 AIO from EK and a 4U rack with the most fan fitted onto it.
Go to Montana when its -6 degrees Fahrenheit during the day and vent that cool air through ducts through this radiator set up and have it vent back outside (so you don't freeze your ass off) and lets see the results.
Should also test some overclocks!
need liquids that will work that temp, else from that you get the problem of condense that might kill your system.
but with enough isolation at motherboard and propper coolant it's good shit
Lol need a core heater on yer computer won't start when it's cold. When it's that cold out you usually run the radiator inside to stay warm.
I've got a dirty 30 and a buddy w a garage in Havre though so we have the technology needed.
To warm right now tho in Great Falls, but in winter you could get some extreme cooling :)
Kyle Danner lol i live in alaska. Back in the day i would het my 8350 down to 0c from opening the windows. My sli 760s at the time loved that sort of shit.
This is Jay's genius at it's finest lol
G. WillaCurse The Devil makes work for idle hands!
The second I saw the flags my first thought was Jay is probably gonna burnout the Camaro.
EDIT: GOD DAMN IT I WAS RIGHT 0:24
This isn't as ridiculous as Linus' jankyass chiller.
Do a chiller.
Do a LN2 chiller.
There's been some highly efficient ac systems where the cold side is indoors with the hot side piped to the outdoors, get one of those and mod it for pc cooling.
Xander Zoolander IBM water to water heat exchangers using chilled water at 40 degrees Fahrenheit have been used on mainframes since the 1970s. Assuming this problem had not been solved by a company like IBM with nearly unlimited financial and intellectual resources is very naive. BTW, I work at IBM.
Xander Zoolander ironically Linus has done the external heat dissipation thing instead of this years ago
Linus's junkass chiller was another funny and entertaining comical video. :-)
And he did it wrong because he mixed metals and made it overly complicated than it needed to be for the whole room heating build.
That face at the moment of realization...priceless. use a car radiator (Aluminim usually) with the EK fluid gaming Aluminim kit and see how good you cool with a car radiator!
Coalition Gaming here where I live watercooling gear is pretty expensive, so ppl usually use refrigerator rads and some powerful pumps to do ghetto loops, usually works pretty fine as far as I know, but can't tell for how long it lasts
Coalition Gaming
A Radiator is a Radiator is a Radiator... regardless of construction or materials used there in, A radiator will only cool to ambient temperatures. In truth,Jay could strap this setup to a car and it would cool the engine rather efectively.
Using larger or more radiators in this configuration would only drop the temps by fractions...maybe a degree at most.
....because Physics...
Yeah but the draw is putting parts together that weren't exactly designed to work together. That's why the suggestion is use a radiator of a different type for a different application, instead of "hook ur PC water cooling to a shoe and see how good it cools111!!!!"
Coalition Gaming
It doesn't matter what situation the radiator was intended to be used in or what it was made for..it's still a Radiator.. the use of which will have the exact same effect regardless of installed use.
Do your history homework.
Where and how do you think water cooling started?
Back in the day, (20-30 year ago when mainstream water cooling didn't exist), we would use everything from car radiators,transmission & oil coolers to old AC heat exchange radiators. Thats how modern WC was invented..
There are fish tank chillers. Kinda expensive, but they will cool down water. Probably easy to add one to the loop too.
Put 2 radiators on top of each other to act like a thicker rad
or 4 more rads on the back of the fan to help slow down the chilled air flow
"Oh. Found my condom" hahahaha
"Just like how I made my kids" Omg. Laughing so hard hahahahaha.
not as hard as he was
4:07 69° Fahrenheit
69 is such a boring number. At least, 99 looks like two people bumming.
i recently found your channel and have watched a few and this one made me laugh so much. LOL... like the guys in my office had to ask what i was laughing at. =o) Thanks!
Jay you should make a pc with a Lego case 😂🤣
i like this idea
YES
Sure, it would only cost $5,000 in Lego's.
That's a good one,
real case, Lego components
You should reach out to EK and request like 30 480 radiators and get an industrial fan to cool it
Now try cooking something with the heat from PC components. Get a really large heatsink but customize it so there's a metal dish area on top of the fins. Put the hottest chip ya got underneath, overclock & see if the custom pan style heatsink can cook an egg. Maybe just get the heatsink from an existing cooler & weld or solder a small frying pan on top of it.
I mean. My old laptop hit 220 degrees Fahrenheit so i probably could have boiled water on it and cooked ramen... Long story short. Shit laptop with no airflow running a highly modded skyrim... it never saw it coming.
Not good for the chip, since it still has to go to at least 100°C, so that chip is gonna be ded quickly
Having a duct from the exhaust of your computer and out a window could save you from the burning hell of gaming in summer.
I had this idea for a long time but never tried it to see how much it would affect the airflow. Then again, theoretically it could make your PC run cooler as the heat wouldn't get dumped in your room anymore.
I would love to see this tested. :)
I considered doing this too (installing a room air conditioner in my very-warm upstairs bedroom), but you run into logistics problems. For example, you pretty much have to vent the thing to the outside world. If you don't, you can run into mold problems from the moist air the thing will blow out. If you have casement windows like I do, you have to figure out how the heck to attach the hose to the screen.
See what you do is build in an exhaust duct into the wall that runs up and out an exterior wall just like you have for a dryer and then funnel all the air from your pc into said duct
You should go push-pull on the exhaust out your window. ;-)
For sure, push-pull would be the best way to go, just gotta have a fan cable extension that's long enough.
watch linus tech tips "whole room watercooling"
Linus I see?
My goodness I love this. I have always wondered about doing crazy things but never wanted to do it myself ha ha.
try and see if you can overclock it even further (both CPU and GPU)
leirisal he should probably delid his cpu first. Last time he hit 80° cpu temps
oh yeah that's true. kinda forgot about it
I'd say maybe he can delid his cpu or get one that has already been delided from another RUclipsr and see what results he can get. With this much cooling from an AC and his quad radiator setup he should be able to get some crazy results
LMAO watching you try and mount that square outlet on the round pipe. if you were an astronaut on Apollo 13 you'd have been dead fo sho!
lmao wasn't everyone dead on the Apollo 13.
Um no.... They got back safely mate. LMAO
Isn't there an entire scene in Apollo 13 about putting a square filter in a round outlet?
Yes. They had to fit one of the CM C02 scrubbers to the outlets in the LEM.
Duct tape, I think, was the solution, as it almost always is.
WHAT IF you loop the tubes inside the AC? Would it work. basically customize the AC to use as PC cooler.
Can you remove the the internal thermal monitoring device from the AC unit an relocate it to an area that will not be affected by it's cooling air? Perhaps on top of the unit above the makeshift shroud. This should allow it to run at maximum capacity without sensing the temperature inside your makeshift shroud allowing it to achieve the lowest possible temperature.
If you like this and want them to try it. Hit the like and leave a brief comment.
Do it!
The one my brother has, the remote is the thermometer. He has the warm air outtake blowing on it, allowing the machine to stay running for as long as he wants. (its all routed in the basement)
Oh that's nice! I wish they just had an always on option
Yes! Or use a CoolBot so he can have control of the air temperature the AC unit is outputting. Test every couple of degrees to see if there is a point where it's no longer effective
The temperature probe will be right infront of the intake on the ac unit. It will just be a copper tube, shouldn't be a problem to move it out of the way of the cool air getting recycled by unit. I would just make sure to check what the duty cycle on the compressor is, to not blow it up
Ever heard of a swamp-cooler?
Uses the power of evaporation to extract heat from water.
Water trickles over fiber mats, air passing through the fiber evaporates a little water, which cools the rest.
Open yer loop, run the watta through a swamp cooler, and BAM!
Or get fancy and use a heater-exchanger [plate type is good] to keep yer loop pristine while evaporating yer grunge watta.
Sub-ambient cooling, no AC, unless your relative humidity is really high.
Greg Gallacci there are various designs of this. I built one out of a Home Depot bucket and a shower head 15 years ago to cool my system. It worked like a charm, I'd you didn't mind the humidity added to the room and trickle of water.
Not really IBM water to water heat exchangers using chilled water at 40 degrees Fahrenheit have been used on mainframes since the 1970s. Assuming this problem had not been solved by a company like IBM with the nearly unlimited financial and intellectual resources is very naive. BTW, I work at IBM.
Broken record? LOL
doesnt work in LA or any coastal cities in socal
too much humidity
Or anywhere in the south
"What is the point of this video? nothing, absolutely nothing" that on got me thinking why im watching lol
But Jay! isn't than less efficent than a water chiller? you should probabrly build one to find out! ;)
8:38 ...I can't stop laughing like a Mad patient
"What was the point of the video? Nothing, absolutely nothing."
Maybe thats why I watched all 12 minutes of this video. Wich is a rare stuff.
Came for Hardware liked for the burnout
You cold have placed your test rig behind the radiators (where the toy windmill was), so it also was in the cool(er) airstream coming out of the airco unit. That way the temperature could have droped even more! 👍😁
Sounds like a good way to corrode the fuck out of your rig. ACs mean condensation means water means corrosion. Search for "Don't put bitcoin miners next to acs" on youtube for an example of what happens.
Kyle Spier-Swenson its a test.....after 1 hour you're done. 👍☺
but people watch these videos and the whole point of the concept was to see if it can be done, so doing it in a way that only works for short periods of time before it destroys your hardware is kinda defeating the purpose of testing
Kyle Spier-Swenson This 'test' by Jay was and is never for IRL, you did get that right!? 😉 Just shit and giggles, what happens if... @11:27
lol right on! and yes a rad in a cooler full of ice and water and a fish pond pump to circulate the water in the ice water!
Is the light weight car radiator compatible for pc ???
BOOSTED 1327 you would have to adapt the inlet and outlet to the smaller diameter tubing although car heater cores are almost the same as pc radiators
Shanee Bahera using mishimoto radiaror and fans on it it would be fast cooling or slow cooling its hard to know because I have a radiator and fan on my garage if its compatibleor so??
Yeah but you gotta get a radiator that not aluminum
Lunar Strike or aluminum blocks on your components
IBM water to water heat exchangers using chilled water at 40 degrees Fahrenheit have been used on mainframes since the 1970s. Assuming this problem had not been solved by a company like IBM with nearly unlimited financial and intellectual resources is very naive. BTW, I work at IBM.
No windows? You gotta remember ac units actually generate heat in the process of creating that temperature differential..You could always take a wack at a Peltier coolers as well.. Its less efficient but definitely more localized with its cooling effect..
The peltier coolers have the same issue re: generating heat, except its even worse since it's more localized (like you noted). Even if you assume there is one that could transfer enough heat to keep up with a cpu + gpu, you'd need to actively cool the warm side, which basically makes them redundant in this sort of setup.
I know I'm late to the party, but somebody needs to give Jay a water fountain. He can plumb it right into the water loop.
Wouldn't you have condensation after a few minutes?? Like on the tubes and blocks
it didnt go nearly as low for condensation to happen
I5ZQ8 Exactly, that is why sensebile people build chillbox PCs when going sub ambient for daily usage. Basically an air tight box with some cables comming out of it, one rad in the box, before all the other components, that cools down the air and takes all the condensation from the air inside the box so that it doesn't condense on any other part, then through the blocks and back out to some airco unit of sorts. However, it is a pain to change anything, there is always the risk for a leak, and your electricity bill goes through the roof. Still a really interesting project though.
+Stefan Duffy Actually he is going below ambient, 7:44 makes that very clear, his gpu is below ambient, while it is running heaven. This will cause condensation buildup in the long run.
"Just the way I made my kids..." :D
What if, you rig up a sprayer to blast the radiators with a fast evaporating liquid like methanol? Much like an intercooler sprayer on a boosted car.
It gets colder. Plus methanol is pricey for a fun dumb video. Computers don't hit thousands of degrees.
@@FXIIBeaver That's fair... Isopropyl alcohol then lol!
What would happen if you put the radiators and fans inside a fridge or freezer? You may need to add ethanol or glycol to the loop to prevent the liquid freezing however.
fridge/freezers are designed to chill something and keep it there NOT to cool something that constantly keeps increasing it's temp so you usually end up with a dead fridge/freezer.
Cant people figure out a fridge has the thermal capacity of like 20 watts..and computer puts out way too much for the fridge to keep up at all
An air conditioner, at its core, is not that much different that a liquid cooled loop. There's 2 heat exchangers in an A/C: the hot side (cooling block) and the cold side (rad), the liquid coolant is the refrigerant, and the pump is basically the compressor. So basically you're using air as the "middle man" to transfer the heat from the rads to the air conditioner cooling coils (technically, just another radiator, right?).
I would like to see if it is possible to directly set up a refrigerant and compressor based cooling loop. I am guessing it needs well sealed copper tubing, replace the fluid with refrigerant, and replace the pump/reservoir with a compressor, and a heat exchanger as the radiator. With that setup, you should be able to cool very well below ambient - below freezing in fact. The drawback is the majority of the cooling system has to be external to the case (unless you are up to that challenge!) The biggest challenge is combating condensation. Nothing like a nice trickle of condensed water running down your mobo :P
Sean's Retroverse
Type Freon Gas PC cooling or phase cooling PC into the YT search and see what you get. ...
(Edit: LD V10 or V2 PC)
Yeah, not surprising that such things already exist, LOL
Mykel Hardin
Might want to check those facts. Yes condensation is a concern when pushing bellow 4'-8'c (10 to be safe), But there are steps that can be taken to mitigate this.
Such systems exist and are readily available, though mainly for CPU cooling and in a more "Direct to die' format. They basicly remove the 'Cooling' evaporator and replace it with a contact block. The A/C compressor then "Pumps" the coolent (Freon) to the contact block which obsorbes the heat and boils to a gas. The heated gas is then returned to a "radiator" to be cooled and then back to the compressor and compressed into a supper cooled liquid again. -20'--30'c can be achived on most CPU's. Condinsation is handled in much the same way as Ln2 cooling, but not as extensive.
With a little ingenuity it wouldn't be hard to adapt such a system to a GPU.
Linus actually did a phase change build once which basically works the same way but the hardware was designed to be used for computers
Patrick no you Dont need to charge the refrigerant system yourself it's essentially like a fancier All in one system. Just prep the Mobo and connect it up
Many years ago I used to run a duct from one of the vents on my window AC to my computer's side panel fan. Really helped keep temps down in the summer.
If only I could find those pictures I took back then.. I'd throw up an album; it actually looked pretty cool because of the LED fan.
how much tubing would you need to take the place of a radiator and fans, so setup a laughably long loop with just a pump and reservoir and see how it performs and if you run into problems with the temps just rising and rising, you could try to add variables like a giant reservoir and less tubing.
Josh_519 .. Yeah.. But most things Linus does ends in disaster. Plus that was janky AF and could have been a lot more successful.
Josh_519 yeah, but it was fun as hell heheh when I watched his video and saw the tubing all around the house OMFG! Hahaha
Leandro laporta
I know right.. Classic Linus.
Hey.. it was a great set of videos and an equally great case study. I've honestly wanted someone to revisit that idea so many times,.. purely for shits and giggle's of course..
Cool a PC with a car radiator. Pls
Sam Antoniak IBM water to water heat exchangers using chilled water at 40 degrees Fahrenheit have been used on mainframes since the 1970s. Assuming this problem had not been solved by a company like IBM with nearly unlimited financial and intellectual resources is very naive. BTW, I work at IBM.
Used on ships since the steam era, wouldn't be a long stretch to adapt the water-water heat exchangers to something else that needs cooling. Then again most car rads are water->air exchangers.
You'd need aluminium blocks. Not as efficient as copper. But entirely possible.
Chill the water with a direct water chiller if you want to get ridiculous. Works just like the air conditioner but pumps water instead of air, attach it to your loop. Some are sold as aquarium equipment at pet shops. A lot of fish need to stay within a narrow temp range. One of my preferred cheaper ideas is a rad covered in water in the tub with slow controlled drain/fill to pump the heat down the drain. I was actually thinking of doing this to chill the room, since the major heat source is the sun through the window which is hard to block and I can't afford A/C.
Submerge the rads in cold water with ice cubes... gotta be with the ice cubes😀
i swear i wanted to write it, but when down and saw ur comment !
Oof
This is hilarious.... Love your videos Jay!
yea i agree with @Jay Koerner, submerge the rads in ice salt water....or used an excessivly long amount of tubing in the ice salt water, so the coolant spends more time cooling...
1:40 Damn Jay......how could anyone insult you now??
Takes the slogan "Ribbed for her pleasure" to an extreme level.
Omg lmfao
How about you put some peltiers in line with the loop? Clamp them between two water blocks, cold side feeding GPU and hot side gets returned to radiator.
awfulinternet peltier coolers aren't very efficient for it to keep up with the heat under load you maybe looking at a 200w unit and will most likely give the about same performance as a water cooler loop with out the peltier element whilst adding all that extra heat in the loop and expenses also there is the issue of condensation
You'd also be dumping in the heat from it into the room for a very minor difference initial until room equilibrium.
awfulinternet thumbs up for a peltier experiment. I’m looking to add a peltier thermoelectric module on my watercooler loop to keep the water at room temperature but I still couldn’t find a temperature controller to do so as I need the controller to read room temperature and water temperature. Would be nice to see Jay try it out.
Make a peltier cooler system, with raspberry pi zero, and k type thermocouple module, and a ds22 temperature and humidy selsor. Ktype thermocouple for reeding water res temps, and the ds22 for ambient room and system temps. Pair all that with a simple touchscreen and custom made bracket, slide into drive bay and boooooom!!!
If you have coding knowlege a thermostat app is easy to make
temp sensor is right behind intake grill and filter. just a thick wire with heatshrink tube placed in airflow. it is easly found and relocated or insulated. put it somewhere that stay warm/hot
Pfft, I used vodka and ice to cool computers.
acetone and dry ice
Real cool people use liquid helium.
But then don' t you end up drinking it?
When vodka evaporates and mixes with the air you get drunk either way.
Also, I'm not joking - I've three videos about vodka cooling.
Like Life of Boris?
Could you compare the highest possible overclock on the GPU between this cooling and normal Watercooling (50°C)?
Fast SnailNeck
That would be a verry intresting idea.
You won't get a higher clock speed with the colder temps, it's limited by voltage/current. My custom loop keeps my 1080 in the mid-30s and I can't overclock anymore because it needs more power. (And I'm not planning on shunt modding)
Aaron Bigleman
Very true. But I beg to differ..
You seem to have forgot, Thermal throttling is still a thing. If you striped your GPU and replaced the TP with a premium paste or even liquid metal, your GPU clocks would jump without chaging any OC settings... even on air. Same principles with the water cooling.. and say no to shunting.
Steven, sorry to disagree with you, but the only way I can get higher clocks without it crashing is by increasing power draw. Doesn't matter if it's air or LN2, clock speed is dependent on power and it's only at higher temps where clocks start dropping. Nothing I do is going to push my 1080 higher than 2114 MHz without more power. It is simply unstable at higher speeds.
Steven Ross-watt
All I'm saying is cooler GPU/CPU/Memory will have a higher stable clock then one even 1-3'c higher. You can still pick up a few points here and there by droping the temps... thats basic fact, Removal of heat is a huge part of Stability.
I'm not saying that cooling the card effects the OC speed directly or creates a greater O .. don't get me wrong. I'm saying it will help provide a higher stable speed.
I run a 11Gb GTX 1080Ti (Power hungry heat trap). It has it's own 60/40 (Water/Methanol) loop containg a 360mm Radiator with 6 120mm fans in push pull. Originally I could NEVER get it to stabilise around the 2100 region.2095.. 2098.. yeah sure, but not 2100.
...So I striped the GPU and added liquid metal to the die which, in turn droped the temps about 4-5'c. Now it's stable at 2100@26-28'c everday. That's the point I'm making.
This card has more power in it to play with and I've pushed it harder but it either crashs or It's just not happy with it. So I backed it off...(Thats the lottery).
In fact I'm considering moving to a hybrid version for this reason.
The facts remain either way, the cooler you can get your GPU, the higher the stable clock speed will be. It might only be by 1 or maybe it might be by 100.. Who knows, but it is a given Fact.
2:09 looks like the V-Tec kicked in...haha
double your electricity bill to reduce GPU temps by 5C!!
damn where do I sign ?!
ON the next video we will see how well Pee works as water cooling fluid
Rexx Reviews really well actually. The salinity makes for a great thermal mass.
However... it should only be used temporarily because the PH may be corrosive based on diet.
What happens if you cool the system with mineral oil, then put the whole mineral oil cooled rig into an industrial freezer set to -29° C? (Mineral oil freezes at -30°C)
Ait, thats it. I'm building this.
He is starting to sound like Bitwit with all of those sex jokes. I love it.
5:48 my heart dropped because I thought it was pissing coolant. 😂
LMAO!
For cold climates, users could run radiators outside the window in the winter
I've tried it. it works great!!! til the liquid in the rads started to freeze around the outlets
I work for an A/C company in Texas and this has really made me want to do something similar when I build my own desktop. If I ever have the money and time I will post a link here to pics and a video.
I always wondered if refrigerant can be used in a loop, and have the "water block" be used as the evaporator. Use a compressor out of a small refrigerator? Mini ITX mobo to leave room inside a huge case to hold it all? I'd love to see something like this!
@@patcallahan1050 Ive been thinking about this but my only problem about design is that i have no idea how to combat the condensation on the board and surrounding parts that would inevitably ruin the whole system.
Watching this on Dec. 16,2020. "Don't get me started!" Too late! We're gonna need a bigger shop. We'll need more radiators, more hose and hose fittings and a horizontal freezer/refrigerator (and possibly a larger pump and some antifreeze). I/O holes cut in the freezer and sealed once the hoses are in place. "Racks" of radiators connected in series to create enough surface area to (hopefully) not need air flow. And last, but not least a good divorce attorney. "WHERE'S MY REFRIDGERATOR!" "But honey look how cool my cpu is running." "PUT IT BACK!"
I always thought what if you took one of those water cooling things, like a water cooler, or a counter top water cooler. You took that and used its tank as the water cooling tank for the PC. This would have the benefit of not taking up a huge amount of space, but also getting as cold as possible. This would be a more permanent method of cooling other than LN2. It would also theoretically not require you to do anything different inside the computer.
SlvrJrny water coolers like that aren't meant to have a continuous heat source to cool. Much like using a refrigerator, this sadly wouldnt work
Yeap.
Like Jeffery says, those compressors aren't meant to run continuously.
More importantly though, your water cooler just doesn't have the thermal transfer capacity to even pull this off.
Kind of like when Linus did his PC in a minifridge project.
An SFF micro PC with like a 10w TDP was able to run perfectly fine subambient in there.
But a real desktop PC just experienced thermal runaway - at DESKTOP.
Put the rad in a freezer to see what happen
Erik Lachance Linus did that with a mini fridge...it didn't work.
It causes condensation on the components and will kill them
I didn't say anything about the rad. The cold coolant will cause condensatioin to build up on the chilled piping and waterblocks. If you take a cold bottle of coke out of the fridge you will see condensation build up on the outside of the bottle. The same thing will happen with the GPU waterblock and the CPU waterblock.
We acknowledge the WELL-established and long-time fact that the condensation will kill the computer itself. HOWEVER.....Erik didn't say anything about putting the entire computer into the fridge or freezer though. Only the radiator section of the loop.
Yes, and the cold coolant that will reach the blocks will cause condensation on those blocks, even though they are outside the fridge because they will still be much colder than ambient air temperature (due to the chilled coolant). Like I responded to Mykel; If you take a cold bottle of coke out of the fridge, it will begin to collect condensation......If you pump the cold coolant out of the fridge it will collect condensation because it's much colder than ambient air temperature.
You can wire fans and extend the exhaust to the outside. Wiring upnthe fans on the inside of exhaust will circulate it through. In winter 2014 I did this same experiment and at 4.7 ghz on an i7 4770k OC it was at 15c stable in a 565 sq environment.
What if you put a bucket full of ice in front of the radiators?
Agnar Selvik bitwit did a thing and put a radiator *in* a bucket of ice water
I IBM water to water heat exchangers using chilled water at 40 degrees Fahrenheit have been used on mainframes since the 1970s. Assuming this problem had not been solved by a company like IBM with nearly unlimited financial and intellectual resources is very naive. BTW, I work at IBM.
So many sex references.....making kids, 69 good lord!
The origin of Jay stumbling into being a somewhat professional overclocker!
Jay, I think you can go dumber. Have you ever considered cooling your system with a full size residential heat pump?
And I mean the loop is directly connected to the heat pump rather than the typical water loop.
They have something like that you can buy, but you basically have to entomb your motherboard in clay to keep condensation away.
Dude,
Try some cooling usign peltier elements in at some stage of the water loop.
That will be cool to see.
Put the rads in series with the AC unit.... You've got them parallel.
Make a 4 rad deep set of rads taped together. Push the AC through.
put the Rads in a refrigerator and then have tubs coming out to the blocks XD
Can you get a gaming laptop to sub-ambient Temps?
Why not put the rad in a small chest freezer?
Freezer not fridge.
Yep, Linus already tried that. Didn't work out.
linus did that already
Freezers and refrigerators are designed mostly to keep cold things cold. They're decent at making warm things cold. They're terrible at making things *actively producing heat* cold.
If you go too cold, you get condensation in the PC, which will short and kill it.
*** I got one! Radiators in a big tub of ice water! ***
What happens if you use dry ice on the radiator???? Will it be too cold to move fluid or will you get into sub degree temps??
Bloodsweat Paintball the ice would sublimate really fast
It would just heat up the fridge. Making a run away situation.
next level should be peltier module and ice on motherboard
Nah, Seebeck generator to run the fan.
Where would you put the peltier cooler? They can produce alot of condensation on the cooler module, this would intoduce moisture to the system possibly?
ah and here is whole trick of it :) also cooler would solve this. also there are many many different power peltier modules. just do the math and put some regulator circuit to lower or increase peltier power.
i would try to keep it above zero, see when and how much condensation appears
Could you cut out the middle man and use a refrigerator (or similar) to cool the liquid directly? Air is a poor heat conductor, so you should be able to get much lower temperatures this way.
What if you replace all your fans with high power shop vacs
called it
Still not as dumb as drilling through a motherboard.
dangerousmythbuster Louis Rossman would beg to differ... #AppleSucks
USB-C is better
This is hilarious. Keep frankensteining I'm learning stuff...hilariously.
What happens if you watercool the radiator with cold tap water? (Keep the same loop, but cool the radiators with waterflow in stead of airflow). Tapwater is usually
Put the rads in a swimming pool with long hoses to attach to the system.
Swimming pool is usually warmer than ambient, so....
Not where I am at. Usually it is several degrees colder. The cost to heat it up above ambient would be prohibitive for most people in this area. I took care of my own pool in the past, checking temperature and chemical balance daily. Pools naturally will lose heat at night and gain it during the day but the process is very slow. Wind, evaporation, and conductive loss through the pool walls into the earth will cool it day and night. This results in a net loss and thus it is usually several degrees below ambient without a heater running. It may be different in different areas depending on climate and average ground temperature. Most people in this area only heat the pool when they intend to use it often and then only up to around ambient or just barely above it.
Could be :) I still think in general tap water is colder than pool water?
Yes tap water is colder because it tends to be close to the ground temperature from the supply mains running underground and there is no solar heating to counter that. Ground temperature just a short depth down tends to be very consistent. The temperature will vary mostly by latitude with areas closer to the equator being warmer but it still is often considerably less than the air temperature.
This is also why supply mains seldom freeze solid in winter - because the ground temperature at that depth is usually above freezing. In the Northern parts of the continental US it tends to be around 42 degrees Fahrenheit year round. Some homes use this for heating and cooling. In theory such a system could also be used to cool a computer but it would be massive overkill for most home systems.
One important issue with any cooling that gets close to or below ambient though is condensation. Mitigating condensation can be a major head ache.
My suggestion about using pool water instead of tap water though is mostly because of the benefit of using such a large heat mass rather than needing to constantly replace a smaller mass of some small container of tap water. With a pool it typically is already slowly circulated and has a huge mass so the water should not increase in temperature by enough to matter for your computer cooling system. With enough computers attached though it might eventually add a slight amount of extra heat to your pool which is nice.