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I'm sure you've seen the info of drilling a small hole in the intercooler. I am wondering if before installing the catch can system (which I am installing) if it would help clean the intercooler by drilling the hole and letting it blow out the already present gunk and then inserting a screw with a rubber washer into the hole. Do you think it even necessary to drain the intercooler before installing can system? I would not want that stuff leaking out in the future. Thanks for the video.
He trashes Jasper engines without evidence so you can't call him the best mechanic in USA. He's pretty good though. He just needs to acknowledge that Jasper remans good engines.
The man knows and understands automotive. I've been a tech for a long time, Ford and Toyota, and currently have a 2018 EcoBoost F150. Not sure I need this catch can, but it is good for our other customers.
2 years ago I bought a brand new 2017 Ford F150 2.7L Vsick ecoboost. I have only owned Ford when it was a choice, and in that time, I've never had a single major problem with any of them. That being said, the truck I have now is by far the best vehicle I have ever driven, and I have driven pretty much all of them known to man. Nothing compares to it. I read some people's comments about being glad they stuck with the v8, or they held out for such and such reasons and the salesman told. Me to wait a year, so on an so forth. To all those people, thank you! If you hadn't chickened out, or thought your buddies would make fun of you for driving a v6 that will perform plastic surgery on the v8 all day. Thank you! It makes it all the more enjoyable! I would also like to say that I'm grateful that we no longer live in the days where automakers are making crap cars. Every new vehicle on the road seems to be a work of art and unfortunately, this is most likely our grand finale for combustion engine lovers. The market is swerving in the wrong direction again, and what haven't they learned about not listening to the consumer? Absolutely nothing! If they do know or don't know, we still end up suffering for it. It's all but guaranteed when new music can't even be laughed at because of the seriousness of the implications. Milli vanilli? Fine young cannibals? Drop dead Fred? There's a connection there and it's horrific. I digress, all this green nonsense makes me sick! And I fear it's only going to get worse year after year until once again, we stop buying their trash. I won't just because they tell us to. My point is, anyone on the fence about an ecoboost purchase, I say you go car shopping naked because you're gonna feel that way once you drive away in one. Easy to clean, spacious, powerful, fast, luxurious, intimidating, and complimenting in every way. I had to throw that last part in there to help differentiate between the truck and my ex-wife. Easy to clean a couple buckets of ribs, but that's Chevy talk. BUY THE NEW FORD F150 ECOBOOST AND NEVER LOOK BACK!!! otherwise, you'll be like everyone else on here crying about it! Hahaha! I'm just playin everybody. I bought happiness, no doubt about it. Thanks for hearing me out! Tell your loved ones daily how much they mean to you, and remember that it's mutual to find your best. Everyone prefers and deserves our best, and when it's working, none of us are strangers. Today is gonna be a great day!
So, I've been a Subaru and Honda tech for over a decade, and this was the cure for a lot of oil consumption problems along with turbo issues. I have installed a bunch of Air Oil Separators (AOS). I had a friend that had an ECOBOOST, and about 5 years ago, I conjured up a COBB brand AOS for a Subaru to work on his truck. I am glad to see there is specific ones being made for the trucks now. My only complaint about this kit that you installed, is the fact that it has an oil cap fresh air return, it's not needed according to your install. The filtered fresh air could have been hooked up to the valve cover that ends up getting plugged, without the need for the oil cap. Just an observation.
Just bought a 21 Explorer ST and was on the fence with adding a catch-can. As soon as I saw this, I got mine ordered. BTW, after watching this (5 years after you posted) I realized just how many tools I purchased after watching you use them. The Bosch impact and drill set, got'em cause of you. The Milwaukee Fuel impact, bought'em. The cat claw, which I use for almost everything and find my wife using too, got that too. Brian, you are the man!!
Very nice. Ford needs to install these on all their EcoBoost vehicles and not just pass the problem to the customers. Thanks for all that you do in giving the info that you do, helping people like us to have a better day.
From my stand point of view Ford brand's always need room for improvement all the other brands are spot on with quality on all areas of their products no failure points involved
I own a 2011 3.5 l EcoBoost Few years back had alot of problems with it eating coils and plugs I use it as a farm truck and work it to the max pay load it's got more mileage hauling then anything else. I installed a stage 3 mega can took a half hr to install plug and play Couldn't believe the shit it caught especially in the winter months 500 ML Every 650 km Unbelievable difference in power and preference and fuel consumption I highly recommend this for any direct injection engine. Awsome video keep em coming 🍺😎🤙
So glad I found this video. I'm in the process of purchasing a 2014 F150 3.5 Ecoboost with 113000 miles on it. I have done a lot of research on this and other trucks (Ram 1500, GMC, and others) and I think this one is going to meet my needs. As well, I continue to do research and hence I found your video. I will be checking with the dealer to see if the truck I'm interested in has a catch can. If not I will be getting one for my truck. I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the detail you have gone into. This is so well done that even an amateur could do this. I have saved this to my watch later and will be using it when I install my catch can. Thanks for putting this out there for us DIY'ers. Wayne
Install another catch can Downstream of your catch can and watch how much it catches. Someone else installed three of them in series and they were all catching oil. I'm not sure this is going to fix the problem.
Nice!! A point to keep in mind. An NA engine has a clean side and a dirty side to the PCV system. A catch can is only required on the passenger side of the PCV system. A boosted engine has two dirty sides. Under vacuum the passenger side is the dirty side and under boost the drivers side is the dirty side. So to ensure the oil vapour separator system is effective on a boosted engine it needs to capture the vapours from both sides of the PCV system, like in this example.
How about just running 2 hoses from both sides of the valve covers straight down close to the ground and just simply cap the intake holes ? That’s exactly how it is from the factory on the big rigs, and those are all turbocharged. Dirty oil vapors are vented out and nothing dirty comes back in the intake system. You might install a small catch can on both hoses if you’re concerned about the environment.
I installed one in my '17 Fusion 2.0 with 33K miles. After 2600 mi. I inspected it during an oil change and was half full. Knowing this, now I need to remind myself to clean it at least every 2K mi.
I just purchased a used 2017 Escape 2.0 Ecoboost with 54000 miles and was told there were no problems with them from the Ford dealer. Now I see this vidio. Thanks Ford.
Usually 3 to about 5 oz and 5,000 miles of driving, and if you really careful about it, the oil that separates out of the water cuz it's usually about a 50/50 mix, the oil can be recovered and returned to your crankcase. There is no reason whatsoever to waste it.
@@PatriotDad But the 2nd gen engine is not in all other Ford vehicles. Example: Edge and Fusion with 2.7 ecoboost turbo still ONLY direct injection. (Dec 2018). The F150 2nd gen should "wash" the intake valves of the carbon build up from the PCV system, but intake, intercooler, etc still get oil and water vapor mist.
I installed this same catch can in my 2013 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost. It catches about a 1/2 Dixie-cup of fluid between oil changes. One tip is to not use the drain tube because the fluid cakes up a little and I have to poke up into the drain port with a small section of wire to get it to drain. The area below the can is cramped, but I just use a small disposable mixing cup or cut down a Dixie cup and drain it every couple thousand miles.
I have just bought a 15 navigator from a dealership that has 110,000 miles. The wife had her heart set on this. I don't know if the timing chain has been changed or not. I had found your vids and found it to be extremely educational!!! And will give me a heads-up on doing the work myself.
I think at a 100000 miles on the motor I would be changing the timing chain just for cheap insurance for your own benefit of the most part of saving the motor and being money ahead of the problem at hand and then you would know that it's 1 less problem solved that you don't have to worry about in the future of your maintenance for your vehicle before it's too late people please don't let it slide out of your mind because it could bend valves or other things related to your motor and that's other things you don't want to spend more money and time to get fixed unless you have a lot of money just to throw away from being dumb and not making right choices when it comes to these things I have been trying to make easier to for you to understand.
@@GUIRADE95 sorry I don't work on this newer technology products junk I only work on my older ones that are much better built and have lasted longer than this technology products will ever will, see I work on the older car's and restore what I have , they have been around longer than most car's today will ever see, I work on cars that have been around since I was born sorry during the Vietnam time since the 60, s and the 70s era I'm now 56 years old dude and so far today they have been doing quite well for their age I only wish that these new tinker toy of a vehicle can only last that long that's what I mean haha
A Catch Can is the single most important accessory for any Direct Injected, Turbo Direct Injected, and even any boosted (Turbo/SuperCharged) Engine you can install. The amount of oil these remove from the PCV System and stopping oil from going back into the intake is crazy. I also use these on Non Direct Engines as well, such as the LS Engines, Ford Modular Engines, and any engine running 9.9:1 or Higher Static Compression Ratio. I use the Elite Engineering High Capacity Cans with a Clean Side Separator and One Way Check Valves. Now, I was told to install the Clean side Separator port, to the intake tube, after the MAF, because it can cause issues with pressure difference to the MAF. No, I don't know if there is any truth to this, but that is how I do it. Also, I noticed you installed the Catch Can itself behind the grille. Seems like an Odd place because it makes it difficult to drain the can being behind the grille. I have seen them catch 16-20-Oz. of Oil Residue between oil changes.
By the way. This one of the best How to videos I have watched in a long time. Its just that RXP changed up some of the components. Keep up the good work!
I think a really interesting video would be a borescope comparison between an engine run 50,000 miles without the catch can versus one run 50,000 miles with the catch can. Also, how often does the catch can need to be emptied?
Do you think the average owner is really gonna be doing this for there vehicle and we as a consumer can't afford to take it to a dealer for the maintenance you speak of in reality terms of it
When I had my 2013 F150 EcoBoost I drilled a 1/16" hole in the bottom of the air outlet of the intercooler. Problem solved and no catch can to empty. And no, it did not leave stains on the driveway. By the way, you make great videos. Keep up the good work.
Hey buddy wich one is the outlet of intercooler! And your sure it make the same thing as a catch can? Cause i live very very up north in canada and don't trust a catch can because of the extreme cold here!
The nipple you cap on the drivers side cam cover is actually a vacuum under high boost (WOT) and draws crankcase vapours through the turbo and the intercooler (pre kit install). The secondary problem with the EcoBoost v6 is that crud builds up in the intercooler and under high boost (WOT) it gets pushed into the intake and cylinders causing yet more problems.
so does this catch can solve the problem with condensation in the intercooler? I noticed that my intercooler on My 2013 Ecoboost F150 has the top shield on it and I was wanting to remove it but I don't want to have problems with condensation. Also I looked at the price of this catch can Kit and it is almost 500$ and I have seen other catch can kits for around 100$. Is this one worth the cost?
Another great video. Towards the end, I always had my deflectors off thinking it would bring more air into my engine 04 F150 but you explained it when I couldn't find nothing any where in the web. Thanks. Another pointer you pointed out to was basically we are stuck with the problem once we purchased the vehicle.
Even 6 yrs later, this video is a huge money saver for people able to DIY this! Thanks! Could you connect the hose from the airfilter box directly to the quick connect on the driver's side instead of changing out the oil fill cap?
my thoughts too. and why run port "C" into the intake manifold when youll already be recirculating the air via the turbos? and why would we need to supply clean air through the oil cap when we could just attach to the port already on the valve cover? i think theres a port there, isnt there?
Great video. Just to note something though for those finding with newer vehicles that are coming across this video; the Gen 2 Ecoboost engines (both the 2.7 and 3.5), which first started to be installed in vehicles in 2017, have both direct injection and port injection to clear up this issue. Catch can is no longer completely required to keep the valves clean, but it's still a recommended addition on boosted engines. Just not nearly as required as it was on the Gen 1 engines. Great video and explanations though. Definitely enjoyed watching this
I bought a 2017 Fusion 2.0 EcoBoost, also purchased an extended warranty from Ford. I asked the service manager if I could have an aftermarket catch can installed by them at my cost and he said it would void the warranty because it's not a Ford part. He said if it was a Ford part meant for this year/make/model/engine it would be fine, so I guess I'm screwed. They don't want to extend the longevity of this engine UNDER WARRANTY and would rather do more work when the carbon buildup is excessive...
Why did you use that oil cap with a fitting, and then cap the fitting that was already right there in the valve cover? Wouldnt have been easier to just to connect the clean air line to the that fitting that you capped off and use the original oil cap?
I think having the hose from the air filter connect directly to the fitting on the valve cover does two things- 1 it provides the air path for the intake air, 2 it prevents confusion when the technician is doing an oil change that is not familiar with the added hoses on the fill cap.
I installed a DIY version of this system using an air-dryer from Princess Auto (Canadian version of Excess Cargo). Added a second smaller air-dryer to the left side aned piped it into the intake as well. I have less than 120,000 miles on my 2012 F-150 with the 3.5 liter Ecoboost. Didn't check the fluid levels in the reservoirs for about 3,000 miles. One day I'm under the hood doing usual checks, and I noticed the reservoirs were both almost full!! I poured out almost 2 cups of this turgid babyshittan colored fluid that had a very strong gas/oil smell. I was amazed at how much was trapped in such a short period of time. Removed the intake manifold to check he intake valves, and all were coked with the burnt on deposits. "Moderate" amount on front two intake valves, to heavier deposits on the middle intake valves to even larger deposits on the last two intake valves. Not sure what I'll do to clean them. Somewhat reluctant to chip off the deposits, as I'd rather they didn't drop into the cylinder and then to get trapped between the piston and cylinder wall. That wouldn't end well. I'd love to see what you recommend for cleaning the deposits. Not convinced Seafoam or the CRC product would have much impact on he baked on carbon.
In 2017 Ford Gen2 Ecoboost V6 engines is a Dual-Injection fuel system. So the newer EcoBoost engines have the port injectors spray fuel on the back of the intake valves and prevent buildup. Hopefully that helps to reduce the buildup.
@@hablep I don't own an ecoboost, but I still watched this. Anyone who has modified a vehicle, regardless of make/model, can appreciate quality instructional videos for mod projects. I wouldn't hesitate to install this if I picked up an ecoboost F150 in the future. Nicely done, FordTechMakuloco !
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Logical Conservative why? Turbos are great! Just engineers are stupid anymore and don’t design things properly. I build and tune turbo cars and never have issues with them!
Any engine can benefit from a catch can to prevent contaminating the inlet stream and intake valves. I had installed one since day one on my 2014 F150 naturally aspirated 3.7 liter V6, even at relatively low mileage, between each oil change (6 months) it accumulates about 1 to 1.5 ounces of oil in it. Blow-by oil and contaminants that I'd rather drain out instead of send back thru the engine.
Why what's up with a catch can is it to collect all the parts that are falling off from the products you are selling 😂 please go back to making a real car for the price your selling them for in the first place come on I've gotten some older cars I'll sell you for 50000. Any day your ideas of what you think a vehicle is I'd be ashamed of totally
The people at the Ford motor company need to stop and take a look around at the local junk yards and see where there products are spending most of their products time sitting at 😆🤪😂🤔😉🖕
Thank you! Excellent video. I now have a good understanding on what damage is being done on my F150 2013 3.5 ecoboost engine. Great job showing how to install system.
I put one on my 2022 F-150. It has Direct and Port injection. From the way I understand it, when you're going 35mph and under the port injection is providing fuel. What I have found out is during each oil change, I empty it and there's 8oz of oil mix in it. Port injection is supposed to spry fuel on the valves to keep them from coking up. This is a lot of blow by.
I bought a new Ford Focus ST 4 cyl turbo in 2013. Wasn't aware of the need to invest in a good catch can until i was active in the ST online forums. I drove my ST about 12k miles when i upgraded my FMIC and IC pipes hot and cold side. Took the opprtunity to pull my black plastic plenum/throttle body off. I could easily see into the intake valves chambers. They were encased in black carbon and dirty oil sludge ontop of carbon and intake chambers coated in oil. I was blown away. I cleaned my own valves and then bought a reputible branded oil catch can. Now 2019 and i bought one for my new Q50 3.0 TT direct injection engine. Even after 100 miles i looked into the catch can and it had caught a fair amount of fluid for the timeframe. Shame on car manufactures for not making these motors and including drainable catch cans. Another solution is add one injector pre valves along with directly into the cylinder. Multiport plus direct injection.
Question. On the fresh air inlet, could you instead just install the hose from air filter box to the pcv on the driver side. Instead using the cap replacement on the oil filler? My best friend is about to buy himself a new f150. I'm trying to convince to stick with the 5.0 but he is set on the 3.5. I told him. To keep your engine at great operation is to install this kit. More than likely, I'm going be the one who is going to install it. So I would like to know if you could run the fresh air hose from the air filter box to that pcv and don't have to use that oil filler cap replacement.
my thoughts too. and why run port "C" into the intake manifold when youll already be recirculating the air via the turbos? and why would we need to supply clean air through the oil cap when we could just attach to the port already on the valve cover? i think theres a port there, isnt there? i just got a 3.5 eco
Great video! Very insightful and more importantly true. Catch cans diffidently work and pay dividends. However! Two very important pieces of information that I think are missing for our viewers to make an informed decision about weather to install or not install a catch can on a new engine. First and foremost…as soon as you drill and install all those fittings on your let’s say new Ford eco boost engine, you just VOIDED your warranty. If you are bringing your new vehicle into the dealer for any warranty repair and the Ford Tech sees that catch can installed, the dealer and Ford will be more than happy to deny your warranty repair claim. Second and just as important…if you live in the state of Kalifornia and the vehicle is over 4 years old and your bringing the vehicle in for its required smog certification, and the tech opens the hood and sees the catch can with the holes and hoses drilled into the air box and the PCV basically bypassed and negating how the smog system was designed by the manufacturer and approved by C.A.R.B., you will never pass smog and get the required certification. If your ok with all the above, by all means go ahead and install the catch can.
GOOD QUESTION! 65000 on a 2012, 3.5 eco, no issues yet. Was wondering the same question and what should/could be done, if anything to correct any possible damage already done.
One note, personally I would mark each hose so you know which is which, like a ring of color on each end; one at the canister, one of the engine fitting. I'm curious what happens in the can to ensure that no particulates are being sucked back into the turbo. I'd be concerned that at some point it has enough gunk in it that some particulate or perhaps even liquid matter *might* be pulled back into the turbo inlet side. Is it filtered inside there in some manner, or is it counting on gravity to ensure that what is sucked back up doesn't have something that might cause damage to the turbo over time.
my thoughts too. and why run port "C" into the intake manifold when youll already be recirculating the air via the turbos? and why would we need to supply clean air through the oil cap when we could just attach to the port already on the valve cover? i think theres a port there, isnt there?
I think I would come up with a solution to fix that kind of problem if you want to try using a pair of pantyhose over the opening of it and see if it works out for you guys
Great video, I appreciate the direction. Only observation, would I be correct in say that the oil cap replacement is unnecessary? Couldn't you route the clean air hose to that inlet you capped off? Granted the cap looks cool and came with the kit but... is that correct? :)
A great detailed video. Lots of thorough explanations and step by step directions. I do wonder why the manufacturers don't install these devices at the factory when they build these vehicles. It seems that by design they leave it out to promote an early engine failure with very costly repairs. By installing the catch can it minimizes early engine damage. Since this is not an original equipment from the factory it could be an excuse for the manufacturer to use to tell the purchaser they voided the new car warranty. Great work on your video.
In an age where manufacturers are trying to reduce the amount of owner maintenance on a vehicle, a catch can would run counter to that, as they need to be emptied fairly often. A manufacturer can't simply allow these to drain to the ground without running afoul of the EPA. It isn't that they don't understand that a catch can (or weep hole) would help matters, but they have restrictions placed on them that makes such solutions impractical or illegal.
This was the first I have ever heard of this catch can system. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for enlightening me to this because as we all know GDI has a coking up problem on ALL manufactures engines. Thanks.
Nice job. I have a 2019 F150 with the 2.7L twin turbo. Starting in 2018, Ford add port fuel injection in addition to direct injections, so the back of intake valves are getting clean, however it would be nice to keep as much oil vapor and whatever else out the combustion chamber. I probably should still buy a catch can kit and install it. One for my 2019 F150, my 2014 Turbo Cruze(PFI), my 2000 Regal GS supercharged and my 1986 Buick Regal Grand National.
Love your content! I was able to do Timing chain, Oil Pump, Walnut Blast, and now a catch can. I got the new TWIN can setup from RXP. I would love your input on what to do with the second can, this is on a 2014 Flex. Thank you, for all your contributions. This is my Favorite Blue Oval channel!
If you add a catch can to a dual injection engine it won't hurt but it will be redundant. This is because the whole issue caused by direct injection engines is minimized with catching the particles before forming on the intake valves. Dual injection engines rid the particles after formation with the hint of gasoline directly on the intake valves.
You are THE MAN. About to purchase this kit. 90k on my 2013 eco f150 and I’m starting to have rough idle on cold starts. Already drilled a weep hole in my intercooler as well and it has been spitting nasty oil out the bottom like crazy. Thanks!!
Ford is aware of this. Everyone is aware of the importance of a catch can, and I am not even a mechanic. So why is a catch can not installed as standard equipment on the eco boost engines? you would think it would improve the reliability and longevity of those engines and make fords look better.
The catch can needs to be serviced on a regular basis. Factory Anti pollution equipment cannot require maintenance because that can service could and would be ignored or soon forgotten. But they work.
Hey I just bought a velociraptor and when I cleaned the air filter afe type you’re so right it was full of dirty almost like oil. I will be installing one
Instantly noticed a difference. Idle is smooth now and it thumps harder. When truck shifts gears its smoother now. Wasn't cheap $500. Took some skill. Couple hours. Thank you. Update: engine light never cane back on after can.
The 3.5l is a 2nd gen ecoboost which has both port and direct injectors. The port injectors run at high load, high speed operations which cleans the back sides of the intake valves. All of the newer direct injection motors, introduced after the mid 2000s, work this way.
@@CKDz that's wrong, the 2nd gen 3.5l ecoboost was introduced in the 2017 Ford GT and the 2017 f150, nicknamed D35, which is what you are referring to. Any 3.5l before that has direct injection only.
Outstanding video sir. Very professional and easy to understand your step by step procedures. I had no Idea the Ecoboost motors had this problem and was GDI. I am definitely going to retro-fit my 2015 2.7 Twin Ecoboost before the snow flys. Thanks for you time in making this fine video. Cheers from Michigan!
@@NavionGuy The catch can catches all that nasty blow by and keeps if off of the valves! Just have to empty the oil from the catch can once in a while. Easy! Recommended for "Any" gas direct injection" engines.
Love your instructional videos. Thank you for sharing your talents. On this topic I do have a question. While I don’t have an eco boost engine I do own a 2019 Mustang GT with the 5.0 Coyote which as you know has the dual multi port / direct injection system. I added a JLT oil separator to the passenger side and am amazed at how much oil is captured between changes. My question is: recommendations vary as to also adding a drivers side separator but most commenters seem to say that the overwhelming majority of blow-by comes from the passenger side only. Do you have an opinion one way or the other? Thanks again, Dennis
On my F150 3.5 Eb, I am taking only from the passenger side, and it seems to be working quite well. I drain once every month, and my catch can is in the engine compartment, so very easy to empty. Never hurts to check the oil once per month either, and of all the crud that comes out into the catch-can, my oil level is always right where it should be!
I installed the Mishimoto dual catch can setup when I purchased my used 2014 Ecoboost after having the misfire issue 2 weeks after purchase. These resolved the issues! How do I know? Because I neglected them once between oil changes and after doing a few towing trips they had filled all the way up. What happened? I immediately started getting a stumble when trying to accelerate up inclines and son after the misfires started happening again. Emptied the catch cans and problem solved again. Best purchase/ addition to the truck! The work flawlessly, easy to install in minutes, and simple enough to keep up on!!!
Just a thought, rather than putting the clean Air separator on where the oil fill cap goes, why can't the fresh air hose be routed to the capped port that used to be the PCV valve?
That makes sense. I guess it makes the kit seem like it’s worth the money they’re asking. This oil cap adapter is also commonly done with bypass oil filter setups but they could just as well use a vacuum port on the block. It’s going back in the sump anyways might as well keep the oil cap stock.
Im a 36 year automotive tech that owns my own shop. I was curious as to why...Instead of running the filtered air line from the air filter housing to the oil cap...run that line longer and route it to the drivers side valve cover rear nipple attaching it with the left over quick disconnect (you had one left). It would be a cleaner install and it would not have a plug or cap on that end giving it a more "factory" look. The PVC system would be doing the same thing and you wouldn't have to mess with the extra line attached to the oil cap when you are adding oil to the engine. Or am I missing something?
It's all in the design of the system and this one was designed without a separator that clips onto the valve cover nipple but I believe the newest units do have this option. You must have that separator or oil vapors will soak the air filter and intake tube.
One of my older cars had a little foam filter square on the inside of the filter cover to catch the vapors from getting on the air filter. The solution here, as mentioned, is a filter/separator inside the replacement oil cap
Wow, so much learning on these Ecoboost engines. I just acquired a 2016 F150 3.5L Ecoboost pickup the other day, before knowing much about the engine (salesmen definitely don't tell you about this issue!) and it seems like a good source of information indeed. My current truck has 125K on it, so it's probably already pretty oily/dirty, so I'm wondering if it's even worth it? It seems like the best method (albeit expensive) is to pull the heads, and have those exhaust valves cleaned, and perhaps completely rebuilt as per new? With the Catch/Can upgrade, it would then be good for a good long time. Makes me wonder, if not doing it, all the hardened oil on the valve...if it would lead to some kind of failure in the future? Loving the truck, but 'bulletproofing' the Ecoboost for longevity, would certainly be something we should all be thinking about perhaps! A big thanks for the well thought out process of this video...kudo's to the fellow that meticulously explained the procedure!
Sales people are just trying to make a buck and a sale of the products they sell you and don't have a clue to what they are saying to sell their own products first and for the most part you have to be knowledgeable about the vehicles from the start to be helpful in the first place like, what is the engine displacement and all the other things related to the vehicle and capabilities of it and also show the options of it.
Since I first heard about this issue with the Ecoboost (and other direct injected engines) I said - why not add a catch. I'm glad to see that someone finally addressed it. I added a catch can to my 2015 5.0L Mustang the minute I put a Whipple charger on it and was shocked at how much oil vapor it caught between oil changes. Catch cans have been around for years. It would be nice if Ford (and other manufacturers) added one from the factory or at least offered it as an option.
That was awesome, would there be any chance of you posting a video on how to clean the throttle body and turbo and btw I greatly appreciate you explaining the installation thoroughly 👍🏽
Thank you so much for the video. Truly comes in handy when wanting to install a catch can onto an ecoboost. Very knowledgable video. Just off your diagram I knew exactly what needs to be done for the install.
I had a catch can on my 2000 Saturn. It would be milky when I’d drain it in the summer here in GA. Just got an Expedition Timberline so doing a lot of research to keep it for a long ass time. I will definitely be adding this! Bought @ 12000 miles, but found the front transfer case is leaking when I had a 3rd party inspect it … 😒 First owner didn’t do the first oil change until 8300 miles I made the dealership do another before we got it since they put on 2200 miles
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There’s that question, whether this is legal as the PVC system is Federal Regulation and has any lab tested this to determine that it prevents/delays the issues it’s claimed to help? I already know the answers these questions as you probably do too.
@@JuiceOg0311 Well technically if anything you drilled into cracks or something like that, that might not be covered. Legally it shouldn't ruin the warranty for other things though, unless it can be reasonably shown to have contributed to a failure.
For the fresh air supplied to the driver's side cover, why change the oil cap when you could connect to the fitting in the cover like you did for line on the passenger side? Another question, if I have a lot of miles on my 2014 Explorer Sport, will it still be beneficial? (170K)
your videos are great! Although this one doesn't apply to my 2006 Ford Expedition it was very informative. I have fixed several problems with my Expedition by watching your videos. Keep up the good work!!
Apparently, 2018 they changed the position of the injectors so they spray more directly on the back of the valve ultimately cleaning deposits off the back of the valve, I am trying to confirm this also as I have the 2018 f150
@@pacificmountainrange6666 I think that may only be in the larger ecoboost engines. The wikipedia article on ecoboost engines mentions dual injection as an upgrade to the 2.7l v6 but it doesn't mention that for the 2l
Darren, if I don't have this kit with the oil cap separator could I just run a line from and elbow in the air box to the plugged port on the drivers side?
SquillyMon Not exactly. The 2.5 V6 (now discontinued) that was used in the IS for 7 or so years was DI only and it too was plagued with carbon build up issues.
Glad I saw this video before ordering mine... I almost went the other way, because I couldn't figure out the difference. The premature boost bleed was the whole reason I undid the VTA mod.. Keep making these awesome vids man!!
I'm not far into the video. But I'm guessing this is why in 2017 Ford will inject fuel two ways. Direct and multi port on the same engine. Saw that a few weeks ago on motor trend.
CamperMike but this begs the question, why now? diesel engines have been running direct with turbo's on them and didnt have this much issue as ecoboost.
I had wondered why diesel didn't have this issue. I was thinking it was about what the answer was. So any gas direct injected engine will have this carbon on the valves issue? After getting burned by GM and the AFM I was thinking of looking at Dodge or Ford. Only a Ford with the 5.0 or 6.2 though
Denis Beslimov I have a 2012 F1 50 eco-boost. I put my CAT scan on at about 55,000 also. Now I’m wondering what methanol injection is. Can you let me know?
@@seniordockman2946 A Methanol kit is directly injected to your engine above your valves and it cleans them from the all deposits. This also increases your level of octanes and performance. The kit should not be more than 500$, and I want to use it only for a month until the engine and valves are cleaned up properly. Its the only way I know besides taken the engine to pieces to clean it up.
I myself wouldn’t buy any direct injected or turbo engine. I prefer a nice naturally aspirated engine. Some people like the newer ecoboost 3.5 with the combo direct and port injected engines. Be careful you aren’t buying any of the engines with the internal water pump. They have a tendency to destroy the engine when the bearing wears on the water pump and leaks water with antifreeze into the oil pan.
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FordTechMakuloco does the gen 2 EcoBoost 17+ still need the catch can?
Hi. The product specifically says it's for the 2.7 Ecoboost. Will it also work for the 3.5?
I'm sure you've seen the info of drilling a small hole in the intercooler. I am wondering if before installing the catch can system (which I am installing) if it would help clean the intercooler by drilling the hole and letting it blow out the already present gunk and then inserting a screw with a rubber washer into the hole. Do you think it even necessary to drain the intercooler before installing can system? I would not want that stuff leaking out in the future. Thanks for the video.
Jamie same system it says 3.5 next to it in red if you look
Lee Jerrum yes they still inhale all the contamination while in boost into the turbo on the drivers side..
You are by far the best mechanic in the USA, your content is easygoing and technical, hope your videos never end.
He trashes Jasper engines without evidence so you can't call him the best mechanic in USA.
He's pretty good though. He just needs to acknowledge that Jasper remans good engines.
Have you tested them all ? (I'm not saying he isn't)
The man knows and understands automotive. I've been a tech for a long time, Ford and Toyota, and currently have a 2018 EcoBoost F150. Not sure I need this catch can, but it is good for our other customers.
Couldn't have said it better!
Should install a sticker near oil drain plug to remind you to empty the catch can when you do your oil change. I'll forget to empty it if I don't.
Installed this catch can since 500 miles on my 2015 3.5 in 2017. Currently at 115k miles with zero issues.
Thank you for the video!
2 years ago I bought a brand new 2017 Ford F150 2.7L Vsick ecoboost. I have only owned Ford when it was a choice, and in that time, I've never had a single major problem with any of them. That being said, the truck I have now is by far the best vehicle I have ever driven, and I have driven pretty much all of them known to man. Nothing compares to it. I read some people's comments about being glad they stuck with the v8, or they held out for such and such reasons and the salesman told. Me to wait a year, so on an so forth. To all those people, thank you! If you hadn't chickened out, or thought your buddies would make fun of you for driving a v6 that will perform plastic surgery on the v8 all day. Thank you! It makes it all the more enjoyable! I would also like to say that I'm grateful that we no longer live in the days where automakers are making crap cars. Every new vehicle on the road seems to be a work of art and unfortunately, this is most likely our grand finale for combustion engine lovers. The market is swerving in the wrong direction again, and what haven't they learned about not listening to the consumer? Absolutely nothing! If they do know or don't know, we still end up suffering for it. It's all but guaranteed when new music can't even be laughed at because of the seriousness of the implications. Milli vanilli? Fine young cannibals? Drop dead Fred? There's a connection there and it's horrific. I digress, all this green nonsense makes me sick! And I fear it's only going to get worse year after year until once again, we stop buying their trash. I won't just because they tell us to. My point is, anyone on the fence about an ecoboost purchase, I say you go car shopping naked because you're gonna feel that way once you drive away in one. Easy to clean, spacious, powerful, fast, luxurious, intimidating, and complimenting in every way. I had to throw that last part in there to help differentiate between the truck and my ex-wife. Easy to clean a couple buckets of ribs, but that's Chevy talk. BUY THE NEW FORD F150 ECOBOOST AND NEVER LOOK BACK!!! otherwise, you'll be like everyone else on here crying about it! Hahaha! I'm just playin everybody. I bought happiness, no doubt about it. Thanks for hearing me out! Tell your loved ones daily how much they mean to you, and remember that it's mutual to find your best. Everyone prefers and deserves our best, and when it's working, none of us are strangers. Today is gonna be a great day!
Great comment bro! I enjoyed it. The fact that it only had 3 likes shows how lazy and stupid our internet addicted society of youngsters has become.
So, I've been a Subaru and Honda tech for over a decade, and this was the cure for a lot of oil consumption problems along with turbo issues. I have installed a bunch of Air Oil Separators (AOS). I had a friend that had an ECOBOOST, and about 5 years ago, I conjured up a COBB brand AOS for a Subaru to work on his truck. I am glad to see there is specific ones being made for the trucks now. My only complaint about this kit that you installed, is the fact that it has an oil cap fresh air return, it's not needed according to your install. The filtered fresh air could have been hooked up to the valve cover that ends up getting plugged, without the need for the oil cap. Just an observation.
First thing I noticed.
Just bought a 21 Explorer ST and was on the fence with adding a catch-can. As soon as I saw this, I got mine ordered. BTW, after watching this (5 years after you posted) I realized just how many tools I purchased after watching you use them. The Bosch impact and drill set, got'em cause of you. The Milwaukee Fuel impact, bought'em. The cat claw, which I use for almost everything and find my wife using too, got that too. Brian, you are the man!!
Very nice. Ford needs to install these on all their EcoBoost vehicles and not just pass the problem to the customers. Thanks for all that you do in giving the info that you do, helping people like us to have a better day.
One of ford's better ideas don't you know pass on the problem to the consumer is just part of selling the product to the public
From my stand point of view Ford brand's always need room for improvement all the other brands are spot on with quality on all areas of their products no failure points involved
Ford wants you to have issues outside of warranty
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Do you have a video showing the oil or whatever is actually caught in the can??
Your explanation is definitely better than 99.9% of all vids I've watched on this subject
I don’t even own a ford eco boost but I can appreciate good work n a amazing installation tutorial. #respect
I own a 2011 3.5 l EcoBoost
Few years back had alot of problems with it eating coils and plugs I use it as a farm truck and work it to the max pay load it's got more mileage hauling then anything else.
I installed a stage 3 mega can took a half hr to install plug and play
Couldn't believe the shit it caught especially in the winter months 500 ML
Every 650 km
Unbelievable difference in power and preference and fuel consumption
I highly recommend this for any direct injection engine.
Awsome video keep em coming 🍺😎🤙
So glad I found this video. I'm in the process of purchasing a 2014 F150 3.5 Ecoboost with 113000 miles on it. I have done a lot of research on this and other trucks (Ram 1500, GMC, and others) and I think this one is going to meet my needs. As well, I continue to do research and hence I found your video.
I will be checking with the dealer to see if the truck I'm interested in has a catch can. If not I will be getting one for my truck.
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the detail you have gone into. This is so well done that even an amateur could do this. I have saved this to my watch later and will be using it when I install my catch can.
Thanks for putting this out there for us DIY'ers.
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I bought one and installed it. Works great you would not believe the gunk that I drain out every week.
Install another catch can Downstream of your catch can and watch how much it catches. Someone else installed three of them in series and they were all catching oil. I'm not sure this is going to fix the problem.
wouldn't you tie in both valve covers togather ?
Nice!! A point to keep in mind. An NA engine has a clean side and a dirty side to the PCV system. A catch can is only required on the passenger side of the PCV system. A boosted engine has two dirty sides. Under vacuum the passenger side is the dirty side and under boost the drivers side is the dirty side. So to ensure the oil vapour separator system is effective on a boosted engine it needs to capture the vapours from both sides of the PCV system, like in this example.
Junk in and junk out np
So on my 3.5 I need another one for the driver side. Got it
How about just running 2 hoses from both sides of the valve covers straight down close to the ground and just simply cap the intake holes ? That’s exactly how it is from the factory on the big rigs, and those are all turbocharged. Dirty oil vapors are vented out and nothing dirty comes back in the intake system. You might install a small catch can on both hoses if you’re concerned about the environment.
Your videos on the 3.5 Ecoboost are amazing and so informative. I appreciate your time and effort in making these
I installed one in my '17 Fusion 2.0 with 33K miles. After 2600 mi. I inspected it during an oil change and was half full. Knowing this, now I need to remind myself to clean it at least every 2K mi.
I just purchased a used 2017 Escape 2.0 Ecoboost with 54000 miles and was told there were no problems with them from the Ford dealer. Now I see this vidio. Thanks Ford.
I’d like to watch a video when the catch can is being drained or cleaned to see how much deposits it holds under normal operation 👍
Me too
My JLT catches about 3 oz of oil every 5,000 miles.
It’s a good bit! I drain mine every 5k miles and it’s at least a cup full.
I have videos of that if you want to see. It’s not to much maybe like a shot or two, but I empty every 100miles
Usually 3 to about 5 oz and 5,000 miles of driving, and if you really careful about it, the oil that separates out of the water cuz it's usually about a 50/50 mix, the oil can be recovered and returned to your crankcase. There is no reason whatsoever to waste it.
This is not just an f150 problem all Direct injection engines have this problem. So this is not just a ford problem just to make things clear.
Absolutely!
Yes and it would have been nice if Ford learned from others' mistakes since other car makers had these issues many years ago.
Peter Valadez the 2nd gen ecoboost has direct and port injection. Ford learned the hard way but they are trying. Let's see if it helps.
@@PatriotDad But the 2nd gen engine is not in all other Ford vehicles. Example: Edge and Fusion with 2.7 ecoboost turbo still ONLY direct injection. (Dec 2018). The F150 2nd gen should "wash" the intake valves of the carbon build up from the PCV system, but intake, intercooler, etc still get oil and water vapor mist.
VW is bad.
I installed this same catch can in my 2013 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost. It catches about a 1/2 Dixie-cup of fluid between oil changes. One tip is to not use the drain tube because the fluid cakes up a little and I have to poke up into the drain port with a small section of wire to get it to drain. The area below the can is cramped, but I just use a small disposable mixing cup or cut down a Dixie cup and drain it every couple thousand miles.
THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW THAT FORD HEADACHES ARE FIXABLE, YOU HAVE THE BEST TALK SHOW OR VIDEOS OF HOW TO GET IT DONE
I have just bought a 15 navigator from a dealership that has 110,000 miles. The wife had her heart set on this. I don't know if the timing chain has been changed or not. I had found your vids and found it to be extremely educational!!! And will give me a heads-up on doing the work myself.
Hi there, did you change the timing chain? How did it go? Thanks.
I think at a 100000 miles on the motor I would be changing the timing chain just for cheap insurance for your own benefit of the most part of saving the motor and being money ahead of the problem at hand and then you would know that it's 1 less problem solved that you don't have to worry about in the future of your maintenance for your vehicle before it's too late people please don't let it slide out of your mind because it could bend valves or other things related to your motor and that's other things you don't want to spend more money and time to get fixed unless you have a lot of money just to throw away from being dumb and not making right choices when it comes to these things I have been trying to make easier to for you to understand.
And if you got that 110000 miles from your car then it's time for some updates on the motor as well
@@GUIRADE95 sorry I don't work on this newer technology products junk I only work on my older ones that are much better built and have lasted longer than this technology products will ever will, see I work on the older car's and restore what I have , they have been around longer than most car's today will ever see, I work on cars that have been around since I was born sorry during the Vietnam time since the 60, s and the 70s era I'm now 56 years old dude and so far today they have been doing quite well for their age I only wish that these new tinker toy of a vehicle can only last that long that's what I mean haha
A Catch Can is the single most important accessory for any Direct Injected, Turbo Direct Injected, and even any boosted (Turbo/SuperCharged) Engine you can install. The amount of oil these remove from the PCV System and stopping oil from going back into the intake is crazy.
I also use these on Non Direct Engines as well, such as the LS Engines, Ford Modular Engines, and any engine running 9.9:1 or Higher Static Compression Ratio.
I use the Elite Engineering High Capacity Cans with a Clean Side Separator and One Way Check Valves.
Now, I was told to install the Clean side Separator port, to the intake tube, after the MAF, because it can cause issues with pressure difference to the MAF. No, I don't know if there is any truth to this, but that is how I do it.
Also, I noticed you installed the Catch Can itself behind the grille. Seems like an Odd place because it makes it difficult to drain the can being behind the grille. I have seen them catch 16-20-Oz. of Oil Residue between oil changes.
On the 09-14 models the grill is attached to the hood so the whole thing comes up. This makes it easy to get in there and work
By the way. This one of the best How to videos I have watched in a long time. Its just that RXP changed up some of the components. Keep up the good work!
I think a really interesting video would be a borescope comparison between an engine run 50,000 miles without the catch can versus one run 50,000 miles with the catch can. Also, how often does the catch can need to be emptied?
Scared of catch cans here in the frozen north !!
I pour mine out every oil change...its about 1/2 cup and 1/4 cup out of each.
@@nicholaskoenig3106 dude. I clean my 14 every gas fill. 1/8 to 1/4. So about 3/16 of cup. Almost a quarter loss at 10k miles
The catch can is to collect the part's falling out of the motor 🙄😐 duh
Do you think the average owner is really gonna be doing this for there vehicle and we as a consumer can't afford to take it to a dealer for the maintenance you speak of in reality terms of it
I realize that this is an old video, but you did a great job of explaining the conversion, and the theory of how it works.
When I had my 2013 F150 EcoBoost I drilled a 1/16" hole in the bottom of the air outlet of the intercooler. Problem solved and no catch can to empty. And no, it did not leave stains on the driveway. By the way, you make great videos. Keep up the good work.
Hey buddy wich one is the outlet of intercooler! And your sure it make the same thing as a catch can? Cause i live very very up north in canada and don't trust a catch can because of the extreme cold here!
@@dannyroy4411 The one at the lowest point of the intercooler. Do NOT drill any larger than a 1/16" hole.
@@bobbeaman807 ok thanks Bob!
The nipple you cap on the drivers side cam cover is actually a vacuum under high boost (WOT) and draws crankcase vapours through the turbo and the intercooler (pre kit install). The secondary problem with the EcoBoost v6 is that crud builds up in the intercooler and under high boost (WOT) it gets pushed into the intake and cylinders causing yet more problems.
Definitely!
FordTechMakuloco any suggestions to fix the intercooler condensation? ford never fixed mine properly 2011
so does this catch can solve the problem with condensation in the intercooler? I noticed that my intercooler on My 2013 Ecoboost F150 has the top shield on it and I was wanting to remove it but I don't want to have problems with condensation. Also I looked at the price of this catch can Kit and it is almost 500$ and I have seen other catch can kits for around 100$. Is this one worth the cost?
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I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your videos! Thank you so much for taking the time to do them.
Another great video. Towards the end, I always had my deflectors off thinking it would bring more air into my engine 04 F150 but you explained it when I couldn't find nothing any where in the web. Thanks. Another pointer you pointed out to was basically we are stuck with the problem once we purchased the vehicle.
Even 6 yrs later, this video is a huge money saver for people able to DIY this! Thanks! Could you connect the hose from the airfilter box directly to the quick connect on the driver's side instead of changing out the oil fill cap?
my thoughts too. and why run port "C" into the intake manifold when youll already be recirculating the air via the turbos? and why would we need to supply clean air through the oil cap when we could just attach to the port already on the valve cover? i think theres a port there, isnt there?
Great video. Just to note something though for those finding with newer vehicles that are coming across this video; the Gen 2 Ecoboost engines (both the 2.7 and 3.5), which first started to be installed in vehicles in 2017, have both direct injection and port injection to clear up this issue. Catch can is no longer completely required to keep the valves clean, but it's still a recommended addition on boosted engines. Just not nearly as required as it was on the Gen 1 engines. Great video and explanations though. Definitely enjoyed watching this
I just bought a new 2.7 Ecoboost. Is there any chance that adding this could void my warranty?
So my 2019 3.5 is good to go without it?
@@Dickj203 yes, pretty much
@@chrisvids1820if you tell them about it maybe. Ask your dealership, some dont care, but otherwise just dont get caught
I bought a 2017 Fusion 2.0 EcoBoost, also purchased an extended warranty from Ford. I asked the service manager if I could have an aftermarket catch can installed by them at my cost and he said it would void the warranty because it's not a Ford part. He said if it was a Ford part meant for this year/make/model/engine it would be fine, so I guess I'm screwed. They don't want to extend the longevity of this engine UNDER WARRANTY and would rather do more work when the carbon buildup is excessive...
Why did you use that oil cap with a fitting, and then cap the fitting that was already right there in the valve cover? Wouldnt have been easier to just to connect the clean air line to the that fitting that you capped off and use the original oil cap?
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Same question too!! Still use the original oil fill cap.
We do that now with a snap on css to the bung.. run the stock oil caps
Also have a twin cam system..
I think having the hose from the air filter connect directly to the fitting on the valve cover does two things- 1 it provides the air path for the intake air, 2 it prevents confusion when the technician is doing an oil change that is not familiar with the added hoses on the fill cap.
nice job with the install. The main reason why i went with the 5.0L V8 naturally aspirated in my '16 F150, to avoid turbo/gdi headaches
Nice choice!
FordTechMakuloco so 5.0 v8 don't need this?
Ozzstar The nicer choice was the one Brian made. Dodge eco diesel. Let's hope those engineers didn't do the defeat like our VW stars
3.5 gen 2 in 2017 is port and di
Ozzstar lol the 5.0 also has direct injection...
I installed a DIY version of this system using an air-dryer from Princess Auto (Canadian version of Excess Cargo). Added a second smaller air-dryer to the left side aned piped it into the intake as well. I have less than 120,000 miles on my 2012 F-150 with the 3.5 liter Ecoboost.
Didn't check the fluid levels in the reservoirs for about 3,000 miles. One day I'm under the hood doing usual checks, and I noticed the reservoirs were both almost full!! I poured out almost 2 cups of this turgid babyshittan colored fluid that had a very strong gas/oil smell. I was amazed at how much was trapped in such a short period of time.
Removed the intake manifold to check he intake valves, and all were coked with the burnt on deposits. "Moderate" amount on front two intake valves, to heavier deposits on the middle intake valves to even larger deposits on the last two intake valves. Not sure what I'll do to clean them. Somewhat reluctant to chip off the deposits, as I'd rather they didn't drop into the cylinder and then to get trapped between the piston and cylinder wall. That wouldn't end well.
I'd love to see what you recommend for cleaning the deposits. Not convinced Seafoam or the CRC product would have much impact on he baked on carbon.
any pics of your set up?????
In 2017 Ford Gen2 Ecoboost V6 engines is a Dual-Injection fuel system. So the newer EcoBoost engines have the port injectors spray fuel on the back of the intake valves and prevent buildup. Hopefully that helps to reduce the buildup.
I dont own a EcoBoost and dont care how to fix it lol, but I learned a lot about direct injection and turbo engines. Thanks buddy. Knowledge is power
Ha same here....I had zero reasons to spend 30 min of my life watching this video.......#stillsatisfied
@@hablep I don't own an ecoboost, but I still watched this. Anyone who has modified a vehicle, regardless of make/model, can appreciate quality instructional videos for mod projects. I wouldn't hesitate to install this if I picked up an ecoboost F150 in the future. Nicely done, FordTechMakuloco
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Logical Conservative why? Turbos are great! Just engineers are stupid anymore and don’t design things properly. I build and tune turbo cars and never have issues with them!
Not just a eco boost problem
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Any engine can benefit from a catch can to prevent contaminating the inlet stream and intake valves. I had installed one since day one on my 2014 F150 naturally aspirated 3.7 liter V6, even at relatively low mileage, between each oil change (6 months) it accumulates about 1 to 1.5 ounces of oil in it. Blow-by oil and contaminants that I'd rather drain out instead of send back thru the engine.
Why what's up with a catch can is it to collect all the parts that are falling off from the products you are selling 😂 please go back to making a real car for the price your selling them for in the first place come on I've gotten some older cars I'll sell you for 50000. Any day your ideas of what you think a vehicle is I'd be ashamed of totally
The people at the Ford motor company need to stop and take a look around at the local junk yards and see where there products are spending most of their products time sitting at 😆🤪😂🤔😉🖕
Thank you! Excellent video. I now have a good understanding on what damage is being done on my F150 2013 3.5 ecoboost engine.
Great job showing how to install system.
I put one on my 2022 F-150. It has Direct and Port injection. From the way I understand it, when you're going 35mph and under the port injection is providing fuel. What I have found out is during each oil change, I empty it and there's 8oz of oil mix in it. Port injection is supposed to spry fuel on the valves to keep them from coking up. This is a lot of blow by.
I bought a new Ford Focus ST 4 cyl turbo in 2013. Wasn't aware of the need to invest in a good catch can until i was active in the ST online forums. I drove my ST about 12k miles when i upgraded my FMIC and IC pipes hot and cold side. Took the opprtunity to pull my black plastic plenum/throttle body off. I could easily see into the intake valves chambers. They were encased in black carbon and dirty oil sludge ontop of carbon and intake chambers coated in oil. I was blown away.
I cleaned my own valves and then bought a reputible branded oil catch can. Now 2019 and i bought one for my new Q50 3.0 TT direct injection engine. Even after 100 miles i looked into the catch can and it had caught a fair amount of fluid for the timeframe. Shame on car manufactures for not making these motors and including drainable catch cans. Another solution is add one injector pre valves along with directly into the cylinder. Multiport plus direct injection.
Now I understand why the catch can is necessary. Thank you. Your demo could not have been clearer. thank you for that also.
Where can you get the kit that you installed?
Question. On the fresh air inlet, could you instead just install the hose from air filter box to the pcv on the driver side. Instead using the cap replacement on the oil filler? My best friend is about to buy himself a new f150. I'm trying to convince to stick with the 5.0 but he is set on the 3.5. I told him. To keep your engine at great operation is to install this kit. More than likely, I'm going be the one who is going to install it. So I would like to know if you could run the fresh air hose from the air filter box to that pcv and don't have to use that oil filler cap replacement.
my thoughts too. and why run port "C" into the intake manifold when youll already be recirculating the air via the turbos? and why would we need to supply clean air through the oil cap when we could just attach to the port already on the valve cover? i think theres a port there, isnt there? i just got a 3.5 eco
i just bought a 2018 f150 2.7 ecoboost and was wondering if this will still work for newer models ?
Great video! Very insightful and more importantly true. Catch cans diffidently work and pay dividends. However! Two very important pieces of information that I think are missing for our viewers to make an informed decision about weather to install or not install a catch can on a new engine. First and foremost…as soon as you drill and install all those fittings on your let’s say new Ford eco boost engine, you just VOIDED your warranty. If you are bringing your new vehicle into the dealer for any warranty repair and the Ford Tech sees that catch can installed, the dealer and Ford will be more than happy to deny your warranty repair claim. Second and just as important…if you live in the state of Kalifornia and the vehicle is over 4 years old and your bringing the vehicle in for its required smog certification, and the tech opens the hood and sees the catch can with the holes and hoses drilled into the air box and the PCV basically bypassed and negating how the smog system was designed by the manufacturer and approved by C.A.R.B., you will never pass smog and get the required certification. If your ok with all the above, by all means go ahead and install the catch can.
100K 3.5 eco boost, no symptoms, is it too late to add catch can? You are such a blessing from God, Thank you so much for your RUclips Ministry!
GOOD QUESTION! 65000 on a 2012, 3.5 eco, no issues yet. Was wondering the same question and what should/could be done, if anything to correct any possible damage already done.
One note, personally I would mark each hose so you know which is which, like a ring of color on each end; one at the canister, one of the engine fitting. I'm curious what happens in the can to ensure that no particulates are being sucked back into the turbo. I'd be concerned that at some point it has enough gunk in it that some particulate or perhaps even liquid matter *might* be pulled back into the turbo inlet side. Is it filtered inside there in some manner, or is it counting on gravity to ensure that what is sucked back up doesn't have something that might cause damage to the turbo over time.
There is a filter for this one
my thoughts too. and why run port "C" into the intake manifold when youll already be recirculating the air via the turbos? and why would we need to supply clean air through the oil cap when we could just attach to the port already on the valve cover? i think theres a port there, isnt there?
I think I would come up with a solution to fix that kind of problem if you want to try using a pair of pantyhose over the opening of it and see if it works out for you guys
Great video, I appreciate the direction. Only observation, would I be correct in say that the oil cap replacement is unnecessary? Couldn't you route the clean air hose to that inlet you capped off? Granted the cap looks cool and came with the kit but... is that correct? :)
A great detailed video. Lots of thorough explanations and step by step directions.
I do wonder why the manufacturers don't install these devices at the factory when they build these vehicles. It seems that by design they leave it out to promote an early engine failure with very costly repairs.
By installing the catch can it minimizes early engine damage.
Since this is not an original equipment from the factory it could be an excuse for the manufacturer to use to tell the purchaser they voided the new car warranty.
Great work on your video.
In an age where manufacturers are trying to reduce the amount of owner maintenance on a vehicle, a catch can would run counter to that, as they need to be emptied fairly often. A manufacturer can't simply allow these to drain to the ground without running afoul of the EPA.
It isn't that they don't understand that a catch can (or weep hole) would help matters, but they have restrictions placed on them that makes such solutions impractical or illegal.
It doesn't make sense now does it take that into consideration the next time some one buys their products, like seriously people.
This was the first I have ever heard of this catch can system. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for enlightening me to this because as we all know GDI has a coking up problem on ALL manufactures engines. Thanks.
Nice job. I have a 2019 F150 with the 2.7L twin turbo. Starting in 2018, Ford add port fuel injection in addition to direct injections, so the back of intake valves are getting clean, however it would be nice to keep as much oil vapor and whatever else out the combustion chamber. I probably should still buy a catch can kit and install it. One for my 2019 F150, my 2014 Turbo Cruze(PFI), my 2000 Regal GS supercharged and my 1986 Buick Regal Grand National.
Love your content! I was able to do Timing chain, Oil Pump, Walnut Blast, and now a catch can. I got the new TWIN can setup from RXP. I would love your input on what to do with the second can, this is on a 2014 Flex. Thank you, for all your contributions. This is my Favorite Blue Oval channel!
Outstanding, easy to follow procedure. Thank you for taking the time to fully show all steps
I have the 2018 2.7 ecoboost with the new dual injection, do you feel I still need a Catch can or is that just DI only motors? Thanks!
If you add a catch can to a dual injection engine it won't hurt but it will be redundant. This is because the whole issue caused by direct injection engines is minimized with catching the particles before forming on the intake valves.
Dual injection engines rid the particles after formation with the hint of gasoline directly on the intake valves.
I keep hearing about 'moisture' getting in the intercooler tubes, so would this be a similar issue with the 2018's as in the earlier models?
So far 110k mi on my 2015 2.7 no can no issues. I do change oil every 5k with 100% synthetic. Most of my driving is not in heavy traffic in Florida.
You are THE MAN. About to purchase this kit. 90k on my 2013 eco f150 and I’m starting to have rough idle on cold starts. Already drilled a weep hole in my intercooler as well and it has been spitting nasty oil out the bottom like crazy. Thanks!!
It's a Ford thing 😂
@@rodneyhopper22the weep hole helped a lot for me no more rough idle
This video is so well made and informative- thanks for that
Ford is aware of this. Everyone is aware of the importance of a catch can, and I am not even a mechanic. So why is a catch can not installed as standard equipment on the eco boost engines? you would think it would improve the reliability and longevity of those engines and make fords look better.
The catch can needs to be serviced on a regular basis. Factory Anti pollution equipment cannot require maintenance because that can service could and would be ignored or soon forgotten. But they work.
Excellent Presentation with key points being repeated and great camera views.... You are a good teacher...
Hey I just bought a velociraptor and when I cleaned the air filter afe type you’re so right it was full of dirty almost like oil. I will be installing one
Instantly noticed a difference. Idle is smooth now and it thumps harder. When truck shifts gears its smoother now. Wasn't cheap $500. Took some skill. Couple hours. Thank you.
Update: engine light never cane back on after can.
Just bought a 2013 3.5 ecoboost. Is there an easy way to clean the valves without disassembling the whole motor?
Ian Thomas - Walnut blasting. It is what BMW/Mini and I am sure others use to clean the intake valves
The 3.5l is a 2nd gen ecoboost which has both port and direct injectors. The port injectors run at high load, high speed operations which cleans the back sides of the intake valves. All of the newer direct injection motors, introduced after the mid 2000s, work this way.
@@CKDz that's wrong, the 2nd gen 3.5l ecoboost was introduced in the 2017 Ford GT and the 2017 f150, nicknamed D35, which is what you are referring to. Any 3.5l before that has direct injection only.
Ian before you try walnut blast try running seafoam through your system full bottle and run premium fuel it worked for my 2011 f150 EcoBoost.
Outstanding video sir. Very professional and easy to understand your step by step procedures. I had no Idea the Ecoboost motors had this problem and was GDI. I am definitely going to retro-fit my 2015 2.7 Twin Ecoboost before the snow flys. Thanks for you time in making this fine video. Cheers from Michigan!
Did it make a difference - from another Michigander
@@NavionGuy The catch can catches all that nasty blow by and keeps if off of the valves! Just have to empty the oil from the catch can once in a while. Easy! Recommended for "Any" gas direct injection" engines.
Love your instructional videos. Thank you for sharing your talents. On this topic I do have a question. While I don’t have an eco boost engine I do own a 2019 Mustang GT with the 5.0 Coyote which as you know has the dual multi port / direct injection system. I added a JLT oil separator to the passenger side and am amazed at how much oil is captured between changes. My question is: recommendations vary as to also adding a drivers side separator but most commenters seem to say that the overwhelming majority of blow-by comes from the passenger side only. Do you have an opinion one way or the other? Thanks again, Dennis
On my F150 3.5 Eb, I am taking only from the passenger side, and it seems to be working quite well. I drain once every month, and my catch can is in the engine compartment, so very easy to empty. Never hurts to check the oil once per month either, and of all the crud that comes out into the catch-can, my oil level is always right where it should be!
I pick up a 2016 Limited tomorrow. A catch can is the first thing I have coming in the mail. Thanks for the info!
I installed the Mishimoto dual catch can setup when I purchased my used 2014 Ecoboost after having the misfire issue 2 weeks after purchase. These resolved the issues! How do I know? Because I neglected them once between oil changes and after doing a few towing trips they had filled all the way up. What happened? I immediately started getting a stumble when trying to accelerate up inclines and son after the misfires started happening again. Emptied the catch cans and problem solved again. Best purchase/ addition to the truck! The work flawlessly, easy to install in minutes, and simple enough to keep up on!!!
Just a thought, rather than putting the clean Air separator on where the oil fill cap goes, why can't the fresh air hose be routed to the capped port that used to be the PCV valve?
That makes sense. I guess it makes the kit seem like it’s worth the money they’re asking. This oil cap adapter is also commonly done with bypass oil filter setups but they could just as well use a vacuum port on the block. It’s going back in the sump anyways might as well keep the oil cap stock.
Im a 36 year automotive tech that owns my own shop. I was curious as to why...Instead of running the filtered air line from the air filter housing to the oil cap...run that line longer and route it to the drivers side valve cover rear nipple attaching it with the left over quick disconnect (you had one left). It would be a cleaner install and it would not have a plug or cap on that end giving it a more "factory" look. The PVC system would be doing the same thing and you wouldn't have to mess with the extra line attached to the oil cap when you are adding oil to the engine. Or am I missing something?
It's all in the design of the system and this one was designed without a separator that clips onto the valve cover nipple but I believe the newest units do have this option. You must have that separator or oil vapors will soak the air filter and intake tube.
One of my older cars had a little foam filter square on the inside of the filter cover to catch the vapors from getting on the air filter. The solution here, as mentioned, is a filter/separator inside the replacement oil cap
Wow, so much learning on these Ecoboost engines. I just acquired a 2016 F150 3.5L Ecoboost pickup the other day, before knowing much about the engine (salesmen definitely don't tell you about this issue!) and it seems like a good source of information indeed. My current truck has 125K on it, so it's probably already pretty oily/dirty, so I'm wondering if it's even worth it? It seems like the best method (albeit expensive) is to pull the heads, and have those exhaust valves cleaned, and perhaps completely rebuilt as per new? With the Catch/Can upgrade, it would then be good for a good long time. Makes me wonder, if not doing it, all the hardened oil on the valve...if it would lead to some kind of failure in the future? Loving the truck, but 'bulletproofing' the Ecoboost for longevity, would certainly be something we should all be thinking about perhaps! A big thanks for the well thought out process of this video...kudo's to the fellow that meticulously explained the procedure!
I’m about to turn 100k on a 3.5L and am wondering the same question.
i just got a 2015 3.5 and yes im going to add a can. heck ya. its running great now and i want to try and keep it that way.
Sales people are just trying to make a buck and a sale of the products they sell you and don't have a clue to what they are saying to sell their own products first and for the most part you have to be knowledgeable about the vehicles from the start to be helpful in the first place like, what is the engine displacement and all the other things related to the vehicle and capabilities of it and also show the options of it.
Since I first heard about this issue with the Ecoboost (and other direct injected engines) I said - why not add a catch. I'm glad to see that someone finally addressed it. I added a catch can to my 2015 5.0L Mustang the minute I put a Whipple charger on it and was shocked at how much oil vapor it caught between oil changes. Catch cans have been around for years. It would be nice if Ford (and other manufacturers) added one from the factory or at least offered it as an option.
Ford offers a catch can for the 5.0 liter mustang.
Getting ready to install a catch can on my Lincoln MKS Eco-boost AWD sedan.
Really, really glad I saw this first! Excellent instructions! Thanks
You are the first person that I have seen mention the MKS. Did you find a kit to fit it?
That was awesome, would there be any chance of you posting a video on how to clean the throttle body and turbo and btw I greatly appreciate you explaining the installation thoroughly 👍🏽
Thank you so much for the video. Truly comes in handy when wanting to install a catch can onto an ecoboost. Very knowledgable video. Just off your diagram I knew exactly what needs to be done for the install.
Our country needs a Eco boost 😆😅
Our country needs a Eco boost 😆😅
I had a catch can on my 2000 Saturn. It would be milky when I’d drain it in the summer here in GA.
Just got an Expedition Timberline so doing a lot of research to keep it for a long ass time.
I will definitely be adding this! Bought @ 12000 miles, but found the front transfer case is leaking when I had a 3rd party inspect it … 😒
First owner didn’t do the first oil change until 8300 miles
I made the dealership do another before we got it since they put on 2200 miles
A threaded bulkhead tap fitting has a flanged shoulder that you can install a flat seal or adhesive sealant on the outer tank/plenum contact surface, a flanged nut with a seal or adhesive sealant on the opposite side of the contact surface sealing the hollo barb, or flared hydraulic fitting
FordTechMakuloco would this installation void any warranties?
There’s that question, whether this is legal as the PVC system is Federal Regulation and has any lab tested this to determine that it prevents/delays the issues it’s claimed to help? I already know the answers these questions as you probably do too.
So ummm what's the answer?
Doesn’t void any warranties.
Just looking at your shitbox voids its warranty
@@JuiceOg0311 Well technically if anything you drilled into cracks or something like that, that might not be covered. Legally it shouldn't ruin the warranty for other things though, unless it can be reasonably shown to have contributed to a failure.
Awesome how-to video! Same idea/procedure for 2.7 Ecoboost in 2017/18 Lincoln MKX?
gp3yt yes
don't have this engine but enjoyed watching the video.
Same here. Have the 5.0 coyote V8 in my f series. Great info though. You never know when I might own a ford with one of these engines!
they're good for all engines
My focus St has 40k miles and it hasnt had an issue yet. ill probably get in there and clean them anyways. its pretty simple.
still driving my focus S 2013 with no issues at all...30k miles and better than my older focus zx3 2001
Casey Rodriguez I just traded my 2014 ST in on a Explorer Sport. It had 41k on it and never had a issue with it.
For the fresh air supplied to the driver's side cover, why change the oil cap when you could connect to the fitting in the cover like you did for line on the passenger side?
Another question, if I have a lot of miles on my 2014 Explorer Sport, will it still be beneficial? (170K)
I was thinking the same thing.
Are catch cans available for the non-turbo Ford Taurus (2010-2019)?
Yes its it the same design can but you just need two ports which they also have.
your videos are great! Although this one doesn't apply to my 2006 Ford Expedition it was very informative. I have fixed several problems with my Expedition by watching your videos. Keep up the good work!!
Great video , do you recommend a catch can for the 5.0 litre v8 and if so which one? Thanks
can you do a video of an install on a 2.0 liter Ecoboost Fusion?
Apparently, 2018 they changed the position of the injectors so they spray more directly on the back of the valve ultimately cleaning deposits off the back of the valve, I am trying to confirm this also as I have the 2018 f150
@@pacificmountainrange6666 I think that may only be in the larger ecoboost engines. The wikipedia article on ecoboost engines mentions dual injection as an upgrade to the 2.7l v6 but it doesn't mention that for the 2l
Darren, if I don't have this kit with the oil cap separator could I just run a line from and elbow in the air box to the plugged port on the drivers side?
quick question couldn't the fresh air go into the valve cover port you plugged vs. a new oil fill cap ? thanks
If you had a way to condense the oil vapors first yes.
2017 ecoboost has both DI and Multi-port and a 10 speed automatic
Which 2017 EcoBoost has both?
I had a ten-speed once. I rode that damn thing everywhere.
Thats what Toyota had from the get go...to avoid all these problems. This was no mystery. Its good they finally "discovered" the fix.
SquillyMon Not exactly. The 2.5 V6 (now discontinued) that was used in the IS for 7 or so years was DI only and it too was plagued with carbon build up issues.
jabroni6199
Never heard of a 2.5 V6 made by Toyota with DI.... Hmmm...methinks I need to look that up. I thought the IS was an Inline 6.
Hats off to a very informative video. Learned a lot.
Thank you very much, great video. Any ballpark figure on what it would cost to have installed?
You are a great instructor sir. Clear, concise demonstration. Well done, and thank you!
Great Video and great installation you did a professional job and thank you for the education. If I buy a eco boost engine I remember this .
Much obliged, thank you. Also, for the link with the original, genuine Team-RX quality. I was about to get one of those RX mee-too imitators.
We are now making a more efficient can with a heat exchanging rod with better internal baffling..
Will this work on the v6 EcoBoost?
@@betthat313 teamrxp.com/products/new-2019-heated-ultimate-catch-can-system
Excellent install video!! Can you do a short video of an actual draining process?? What is a "normal" amount of waste material??
Glad I saw this video before ordering mine... I almost went the other way, because I couldn't figure out the difference.
The premature boost bleed was the whole reason I undid the VTA mod.. Keep making these awesome vids man!!
I'm not far into the video. But I'm guessing this is why in 2017 Ford will inject fuel two ways. Direct and multi port on the same engine. Saw that a few weeks ago on motor trend.
+CamperMike Correct!
CamperMike but this begs the question, why now? diesel engines have been running direct with turbo's on them and didnt have this much issue as ecoboost.
Diesel engines run at an even higher pressure and diesel fuel does not vaporize like gas does so its a different animal.
What do you think of the new 3.5l ecoboost? was having both direct and multi port a good idea?
I had wondered why diesel didn't have this issue. I was thinking it was about what the answer was. So any gas direct injected engine will have this carbon on the valves issue?
After getting burned by GM and the AFM I was thinking of looking at Dodge or Ford. Only a Ford with the 5.0 or 6.2 though
Excellent instructive video. One of the best I have seen.
Thanks!
I installed my catch can at 55 000 miles, the valves are probably dirty by now, what should I do? Methanol injection?
Denis Beslimov I have a 2012 F1 50 eco-boost. I put my CAT scan on at about 55,000 also. Now I’m wondering what methanol injection is. Can you let me know?
Denis Beslimov My note should have read I put on a catch him on my 2012 F1 50. What is the methanol injection and what does it do?
@@seniordockman2946 A Methanol kit is directly injected to your engine above your valves and it cleans them from the all deposits. This also increases your level of octanes and performance. The kit should not be more than 500$, and I want to use it only for a month until the engine and valves are cleaned up properly. Its the only way I know besides taken the engine to pieces to clean it up.
Denis Beslimov Thanks for the information.
Does anyone use CRC to clean intake valves?
Thank you for being so meticulous about showing this to people with the Ford explore. Which I have 2014 sport eco-boost.
Depending on the baffling inside the catch can you can add stuff some steel wool inside it to further help catch/condense further.
Its already in the can.
Is this still an issue with newer Ecoboost engines? I'm looking at a used 2018 F-150 3.5L with 15,000 miles.
I myself wouldn’t buy any direct injected or turbo engine. I prefer a nice naturally aspirated engine. Some people like the newer ecoboost 3.5 with the combo direct and port injected engines. Be careful you aren’t buying any of the engines with the internal water pump. They have a tendency to destroy the engine when the bearing wears on the water pump and leaks water with antifreeze into the oil pan.