Same. O3' V6 with 330K miles and going strong, even with original starter, U joints, etc. I've though about selling it when i eventually get a late model Gen 5 or maybe a Gen 6...but not so sure. Reliable and I know this car better than most people, and it's never let me down. Might have to continue as my "beater" car. If so, I would do an in the garage Raptor paint job, but everything else is excellent.
Ive gone back and forth over and over, but just picked up a '20 TRD pro! Thanks for helping me decide man. I've been back and forth and actually went back to your 2020 trd pro video to help me decide
Since the 4Runner and Tacoma share the same platform, I don’t see any reason why the geometry and components would be different other than the length of the chassis. Thus the aftermarket community is already there making parts for a Tacoma, which likely will be an exact fit for the 4Runner
Hoping that with the hybrid 4runner, it will make a solid car camping setup-- being able to run AC/heat when sleeping inside, powered by the 1.87kw battery completely silent, with the engine only cycling on to charge it back up🎉
Co-worker does this w/ his Sienna. Says it's about 25% engine run time and uses negligible fuel. The price separation from maybe a TRD OR Hybrid to the 1958 will be small.
@guentherwilke2055 wow that's great news regarding using minimal fuel for AC--- 25% engine running time is excellent! Right, so far, I would lean towards the 1958 LC, but still would like to see/drive the new 2025 4runner TRD off-road hybrid. The Grand Highlander hybrid at 47k also looks compelling considering the interior size with both rows folded flat
I heard that the box in the back that shields the batteries can only hold 60kg…… And even if you do all of the outfitting for the back end with drawers, kitchen items and other items, you are going to need to pull it all just to get to the battery box in five to seven years to replace the batteries.
@@kthendrix8 From what I've read, the 60kg weight limit is specifically for the lid on the storage box behind the battery. I think most Toyota hybrids go more than 5-7 years on a battery.
I have a 2019 TRD Off Road. I towed my 20ft fish and ski boat @ 5k pounds plus fuel and gear in the boat and gear in the back of the runner. Likely 6k pounds. No problem for the last 5 years. Wear on the brakes unless you have a trailer that has brakes and works with a controller. Then it's pretty simple. Give your 4R some oil and watch the rust (yearly oil coat) and you have a long lasting beast.
I’m glad that the max towing capacity increased by 20% over the outgoing 4Runner because some people may need to tow quite a bit but still want something that easier to park
Def looking to get the 6th gen trailhunter, great video and good pros and cons. Hoping you update it once they have a true release date with more details.
I ended up buying a 2024 5th Gen. What it came down to for me was 1) fear of higher prices in the 6th Gen, 2) unknown initial reliability, which is probably again more fear. Toyota will figure it out. So, maybe in a few years I’d consider switching, but after having this new truck for the past month and a half, I think this is my forever truck. Or at least until I’m too old to get out there. And now I can’t unsee that double Hulk Hogan mustache. Thanks Jon 😂.
You made a great choice man. I've been driving my 5th Gen for 5 years and it feels like we just met yesterday. It's so great to drive and I still give it that second look when I walk away in the parking lot. There have been zero mechanical issues. I think I could easily drive it for another 5 years and I have full faith that it would keep going even longer.
Great video! Completely upfront and honest about these new Tacomas and four runners.I’m bummed out about the exact same interior in both of these.My wife had a 2005 limited four runner and man it was nice and had a very nice looking interior.Ive got a 2nd gen Tacoma and I may hang onto it lol!
I towed over 6000 lbs across Canada in a 6x12 Uhaul trailer, twice, with my '19 TRD 4Runner (1" rear lift springs with 100lbs higher rating). The trip was ~3100 miles each way.
Give Toyota 2-3 years to work out the bugs. Too many misses lately to trust a new model. Buy a 5th Gen and drive that while you wait. It should hold its value fine.
I’m not sold on the new body style. New tech doesn’t always mean better. Give it at least three years to see if the new engine and transmission has the proven reliability of its predecessor. I just bought a new 5th Gen TRD ORP about a month ago and absolutely love it. She’s a keeper and will be a lifelong family member.
Government regulations caused them to change, not the consumer. If it was the consumer, then 5th gen would remain on the lot just like all the new Tundras.
It's so interesting how people have different takes on design. I don't see a mustache, let alone a "double mustache" that resembles Hulk Hogan's flavor savor. In 2003, I bought an SR5 with the hood scoop; I liked that design. That said, I like this one better. (I like it considerably more than the previous "tear drops" design.)
genuine question - is this really an issue? I understand there are probably tons of problems on new vehicles but I feel like thats the advantage of the buyer.. I bought my first car, a Jeep, and it had tons of issues but after 3 years of driving it (about 1 breakdown a year) I was able to lemon law it and get all of my money back so I felt like I drove a car for free for 3 years. Then used that money for a new car
@@blueanime29211 if you find a lemon lawyer you would explain to them the issues youve been having and receipts. if they believe you have a case they are supposed to do the whole thing for free i believe. they only take a cut from the check you receive. this was in california. not sure other states.
6:22 $53k-$56k for trd pro are like 2021-2023 used models. 2024 models that I've seen for sale online either new or lightly used (under 5k miles) are like all over $60k. Absolutely absurd lmao
Very absurd, but dont feel bad when you find out how small the Land Cruiser is paying for the same and less space. Not understanding the logic of these decisions 🙈
Great video, i definitely appreciate the thoughts. For anyone that has a 4th gen 4R im in the mindset that theres not a big reason to upgrade with how reliable they are. Im in the group looking to trade brands and im stuck either waiting for the 25 or trying to scoop up one of the last 24s in a configuration i actually like
Seeing the 4runner gone back to its Pickup Passenger suv makes me excited. Im gonna wait for Xterra to be frontier based. Watching This on my Toyota Fortuner
Hi Jon yes you right about issues The issue I have on the new Tacoma is the 2 chirping noise on cold start but only for few seconds it goes away when it warms up looks like lot of people have the comment on the 4th gen taco forum!
I've been something of a fan of the 4Runner for a little while now, but always felt it was more vehicle than I needed or would use. But with the recent buzz over the next gen I find that I'm more curious now than ever to possibly dive in to that Toyota pool. Besides waiting on that final pricing, one of the big concerns is the potential for any "first year" design issues. I've been in a Subaru Outback Wilderness for a few years now and it's really been a great car! But the more I look the more I think it might be time for a truck!! :)
@ashresearcher the only things I do is 1). Get the oil changed every 5k miles. I don't do that 10k BS. I like my cars better than to do that. 2) every oil change I put in Royal Purple fuel system treatment. 3). I only use Shell or BP gas (can't confirm that makes a difference but it's one consistency I have). 4). I drive 5-7 over speed limit and don't do much WOT. Heck, in Atlanta traffic on surface roads, you can't do that much anyway. I commute 3 days per week, 40 miles each way on surface streets. That's pretty much it. I went and filled up 2 hours ago and checked my miles. I got 20.2 mpg. Took a picture and will post to my RUclips page.
Price will determine if I get one or not. I’ve waited a long time for this new model but seeing how expensive the taco got, I don’t know if it’ll be worth the likely hefty price tag.
Well said. I am driving the fifth gen 2015 after owning the first gen and the third gen. I have 243000 miles on the car and still running like a new. Just love it.
Like your videos. I have a mint gen 3 and my driver side outside mirror won’t lock anymore. Do you know if I need a whole new mirror unit or just a spring. The mirror wobbles. Desert Dune is the color. Where would I find one if I need to replace? Or do I buy a black one and paint? FYI Toyota does not sell. It’s a 97 Anymore.
6G folding rear seats leave a hump and seem to reduce the overall storage length which doesn't allow you to sleep in the back or lay something flat that is lengthy. Will the forward passenger seat be able to adjust its height for taller people, like the driver seat? Probably not. What about a place to hold a cell phone? Or cup holders that can accomodate larger width mugs? Probably not. I have owned a new 2002, 2008, and 2018, and hope that the smaller improvements aren't overlooked which they probably are.
Any word on what the 3rd row is like. I’m assuming it’s not actually functional but useable when it is needed, which is basically my situation. Any measurements yet or photos?
@@Keefer24 Ok lets not get ridiculous. They haven’t fallen off. They released new generations with new powertrains to keep up with emissions. Those naturally aspirated engines were around for decades. We are in year 1 and entering 2. They will get it sorted . Do I like this hybrid crap no but Toyota isn’t going to become a unreliable brand . They are the biggest car brand in the world .
My main hesitation is the fuel economy on the 4 Runner. I can not justify a vehicle getting 15mpg as my daily lol. I can tolerate low 20s. I’ll definitely wait and see what the 2025 has on offer. If I don’t like it, I might snag a 2024.
Waiting on a 2026 Trailhunter. Won't buy the first year. Have a 2014 4Runner so no hurry. Wish they wouldn't keep pushing it back. Hope second year they come up with a plug in hybrid. We'll see.
My 1985 would get 22mpg with bfg mud terrains, my 98 supercharged 5sp would get 22 mpg, my 06 with 4.0 would get 21, my 18/21 trd pros would get 19. It’s time to get increase and not decrease!
My thoughts and prayers are with you, your wife, and all Floridians as Hurricane Helene passes. You have several apocalyptic vehicles to choose from if you need to evacuate and/or help others (I'd pick the tried-and-true 4Runner).
I have a 2010 Limited. Bought it when the model came out. I have 323k miles on it now. After waiting for years for a new model to come out, the 2025 is a huge disappointment for me. Hoping to keep my 2010 for as long as I can.
My 2005 4Runner's sticker had 17/21 for the V6, which is the reason I wanted the V6. But yeah, the later 4Runners, and so disappointed with my 2016 Highlander's 16/19, what in the world? Corvettes have better mileage! That is disappointing that a lot of style cues come from the Tacoma. My HVAC controls are 5 starred rockers, so easy to raise or lower temps, 3 degrees down, just press three times, and can do it with gloves on. Not a fan of the face either. The 2024 face is very cool. I like to rear window curving up into the roof. Standard safety assistance features are welcome. Also, my 2005 came with roof rack, fog lamps, side steps, all standard. I think the roof rack and side steps have been add-ons for a while. I'd like a new one, but will wait a year at least.
4Runner has been the best SUV I have ever had. I bought one in 2005 and had it for 14 years. I sold it with 214,000 miles, and the vehicle is still running. Very reliable.
@@NomenClature-o8sWhat was so drastically different about the 2005 model aside from a NA motor? You know this is gonna be a turbo now right? 2005 turbo vehicles are rare nowadays
I think most 4 runner owners won’t upgrade but if your coming from another brand and looking for a body on frame vehicle . The gx 550, land cruiser, sequoia and 4 runner have to be in the conversation . Toyota had some hiccups but they will figure it out. I have my two cars for the next couple decades but I am a car guy holding onto the glory days haha. Technology is convenient when it works. However we all know it doesn’t always work. Cool cars nonetheless . Maybe I will buy the 8th gen when it drives on water .
@@Keefer24 I agree but you legit can say that about 98% of cars. I am good with my 5th gen. Cars are terrible investments. The value is keeping a car for decades.
The 2025 4Runner 2 wheel drive SR5 with no added options will start at $47,885 which includes a delivery charge of $1,495. The 2025 4Runner TRD PRO will be $69,430 which includes a delivery charge of $1,495.
@@stuckman10look at the market right now, it’s not hard to figure out. I for one think they will be more. I see these junky Tacoma trd pros for 85k on lots near my house. ( NEPA)
@@verlaryder In March of 2023 my calculated MSRP for the new 2024 Tacoma double cab SR 4x4 was $38,900 with delivery and no options; people laughed and thought I was out of my mind. The actual MSRP was $38,695. My Calculation for the TRD PRO was $64,995, the actual MSRP was $65,395 My calculations for the 2022 Tundra were within $250 for every trim and $80 under for the TRD PRO. I promise, these numbers will be VERY VERY close to the actual MSRP. Here is my complete list for the 2025 4Runner. SR5 (2x4) $46,185 SR5 (4X4) $47,885 TRD Sport $50,175 TRD Sport Premium $56,680 TRD Off-Road $51,710 TRD Off-Road Premium $58,380 Limited $62,730 Platinum $70,995 TRD Pro $69,430 Trailhunter $68,250
Both the 5th gen and 6th gen look good. I think the 6th gen looks slightly better. Getting 17 mpg in the 5th gen is what kept me from getting one. Now, you can't even find any new 5th gens on lots. I would like to get a 6th gen TRD Off Road with hybrid option. I think Toyota will build a good product. Before the trolls call it a mall crawler again, I want it for the snow, not really off roading. Also, that soccer mom driving her son to the mall with it will someday pass that on to that kid and HE will off road with it.
I've got that screen in my wife's RAV4. It's the worst part of the vehicle. It's laggy, poorly organized, and looks like HELL after you've touched it just a few times.
I’m concerned about the longevity of the new hybrid engine as opposed to My 2011 Toyota Limited forerunner. They all have these amazing 300,000+ miles but now I’m concerned about the Hybrid engine having the longevity?
As much as I understand a majority of 4Runner buyers don't mind the underpowered powertrain as much, and are more focused on getting from point A-B, the new powertrain is just better IMO. I drove a friend's 4runner and coming from a modern V6 Highlander, I was not impressed at all, and was a deal breaker to me. Considering the LC and the Tacoma have the powertrain and are already out, the amount of "issues" are less likely to happen to the 4Runner, especially since its made in Japan.
Pretty sure the Tundra engine fiasco which also affected the GX550's (built in Japan) dispels the whole, built in Japan automatically equals better build quality
@@YerBoyTroy the thing is, while I haven’t heard of any GXs breaking down or anything, the build quality is noticeably different between the 2. Just based on what I have seen, and personally owning 2 Toyotas, one made in America and the other in Japan.
@@arhamkhakwani5851 any difference between the GX and tundra 'build quality' is more attributed to Lexus being a luxury line vs Toyota , more so than built in Japan vs not built in Japan. Example the old rx350 vs gx470 were on par with each other fit and finish wise despite the Rx being built in Canada. Same thing with the 4runner vs the old gen Sequoia. Build quality was pretty on par between both vehicles despite build locations. Maybe back in the day when parts and manufacturing processes weren't globally standardized you had quality inconsistencies across plants, but nowadays it's pretty consistent across the board. Toyota invested billions to make this so
I love the look of the new 4Runner, but I would wait 1 model year for everything to get sorted and the aftermarket to be full. So many haters out there, but my 2023 Sequoia TRD Pro has been perfect - no issues at all, and amazing gas mileage. I trust in Toyota - and they back their products well 😊
I hope in the near future Toyota does offer a V6 otherwise noo go for me , i have my doubts on the longevity on the 4 cylinder turbocharged engines. Toyota bring back a more fuel efficient 6 cylinder like the 3.0 or the 3.3 V6.
I've got a '19 4runner with 84k on it. 3" lift on 33"s (sr5 premium) in excellent condition. Your opinion, when will I "need" a new one, providing I don't wreck it? 😁
I am a newbie to 4Runner. I bought 2024 4Runner (solar octane color) but I am debating whether I should go for 2025 4Runner or not. Any guidance will be much appreciated.
I love the looks of the new one, my problem is too pricy! I'll keep my 2010 Highalnder till the wheels fall off, and by the looks of it going to take awhile, just past Pa inspection and needed nothing..
Hey Jon…..so Raiti gave a big zonk on the gloss black fender flares on the new 4 Runner TRD Pro. I mentioned to him that you stated that one reason why going paint rather than a matte plastic finish was that paint can be buffed while matte finishes cannot and he followed with his comment: “I am not seeing that!” Do you stand by your comment (I would and no reasonable person would expect any “pro” model of any vehicle retaining a perfect stock appearance)?
LC250, designed by Toyota-Japan, made in Japan; no reported issues. 4G Tacoma, designed by Toyota-America, made in Mexico, same powertrain; all kinds of problems. Perhaps Made in Japan is the critical difference.
I'm looking at a 24 TRD Off Road Premium right now, but I'm trying to wait to check out the 6th Gen. I will probably wait. I can always find a used 24 next year. The PRO's in my market are 58-59K. We don't "NEED" anything new but LOL.
We’re still driving our 95’ 4Runner that you referred to as 3.blow. Sorry mate, but it’s a kick ass rig with 119k on the clock in a manual transmission. It’s totally dope!
4 cylinder engines under pressure will never last as long as a 6 cylinder. People buy Toyotas because they are reliable. When I buy a truck I’m not buying it because I’m worried about gas mileage. I buy trucks to get jobs done with power to spare and reliability.
I like everything in the new 4runner except the engine and the front bumper, If only we can swap the bumper to a tacoma 2024 then I will not mind that 4banger engine.
Best advice FJ owners gave me is dont sell the car expecting a better one because there probably wont be. 5th GEN 4runner til 2040 or if Gas gets above $5 in states outside of California.
MPG's is a subjective term. I was getting 17/21 mpg with my 23 TRD ORP before 2.5" lift, 33" tires and 108lbs of Westcott sliders. Now my mpg is 15/19 which is right there with EPA sticker of 16/19. Once you start modding the new gen stuff MPG will decrease as usual. I believe the new 4Runner will have the same mpg as the new Tacoma, not the Land Cruiser, which is 19/23
Your gonna want a extended warranty with the 6th gen. Where most people would walk away from buying a 5th gen. thinking what do i need that for.. The top new models are complex and have alot going on. Makes you think twice about owning one..
For the people who are worried about the new hybrid engine, dont! This is Toyota were talking about whos whole reputation is based on reliability, they had a handful of problems with the tundras and are replacing over 100k engines on their dime, if there are any reliability issues at all I fully trust in Toyota to fix them in the same manner.
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Not trading our 5th gen- keeping it. Trading the RX F Sport for the 6th gen. Can’t wait!
Nice!!!
I am 75 and bought a 2023 off-road premium. My vote is in. Probably my last 4 runner and the kids won’t have problems selling it when I am gone.
Come On dude, hope you be around for at least the next 20 years. Keep it up !!!
I'm still driving my 2003 4runner. First year model. Truck still runs like new.
@@MegaCityOne same. 😀
Nice, better over me by 2 years! How many miles on it? I'm 3k short of 200k.
Same. O3' V6 with 330K miles and going strong, even with original starter, U joints, etc. I've though about selling it when i eventually get a late model Gen 5 or maybe a Gen 6...but not so sure. Reliable and I know this car better than most people, and it's never let me down. Might have to continue as my "beater" car. If so, I would do an in the garage Raptor paint job, but everything else is excellent.
I’m still driving a 2001 3rd gen SR5. Rockin and rollin.
Thank you guys for pointing out how NA engines are more reliable than the turbos! ☝️
never saw the mustache before but now cannot unsee it.
however i just started growing a mullet and a mustache in prep for the trailhunter
Yeah me too. + Already looking at getting a dog, moving to Colorado, and becoming an REI member.
4Runner will be built in Japan vs Taco in Mexico, so huge plus
Still over priced, still turbo junk.
@@Keefer24
@@NomenClature-o8splus it’s ugly af
@@NomenClature-o8s Truth Hurts !
Ive gone back and forth over and over, but just picked up a '20 TRD pro! Thanks for helping me decide man. I've been back and forth and actually went back to your 2020 trd pro video to help me decide
Since the 4Runner and Tacoma share the same platform, I don’t see any reason why the geometry and components would be different other than the length of the chassis. Thus the aftermarket community is already there making parts for a Tacoma, which likely will be an exact fit for the 4Runner
Hoping that with the hybrid 4runner, it will make a solid car camping setup-- being able to run AC/heat when sleeping inside, powered by the 1.87kw battery completely silent, with the engine only cycling on to charge it back up🎉
Co-worker does this w/ his Sienna. Says it's about 25% engine run time and uses negligible fuel. The price separation from maybe a TRD OR Hybrid to the 1958 will be small.
@guentherwilke2055 wow that's great news regarding using minimal fuel for AC--- 25% engine running time is excellent! Right, so far, I would lean towards the 1958 LC, but still would like to see/drive the new 2025 4runner TRD off-road hybrid. The Grand Highlander hybrid at 47k also looks compelling considering the interior size with both rows folded flat
I heard that the box in the back that shields the batteries can only hold 60kg…… And even if you do all of the outfitting for the back end with drawers, kitchen items and other items, you are going to need to pull it all just to get to the battery box in five to seven years to replace the batteries.
@@kthendrix8 From what I've read, the 60kg weight limit is specifically for the lid on the storage box behind the battery. I think most Toyota hybrids go more than 5-7 years on a battery.
I have a 2019 TRD Off Road. I towed my 20ft fish and ski boat @ 5k pounds plus fuel and gear in the boat and gear in the back of the runner. Likely 6k pounds. No problem for the last 5 years. Wear on the brakes unless you have a trailer that has brakes and works with a controller. Then it's pretty simple. Give your 4R some oil and watch the rust (yearly oil coat) and you have a long lasting beast.
I’m glad that the max towing capacity increased by 20% over the outgoing 4Runner because some people may need to tow quite a bit but still want something that easier to park
Def looking to get the 6th gen trailhunter, great video and good pros and cons. Hoping you update it once they have a true release date with more details.
i'm just waiting impatiently for the driving events to start for the 6th gen, and reviews that come with them
I ended up buying a 2024 5th Gen. What it came down to for me was 1) fear of higher prices in the 6th Gen, 2) unknown initial reliability, which is probably again more fear. Toyota will figure it out. So, maybe in a few years I’d consider switching, but after having this new truck for the past month and a half, I think this is my forever truck. Or at least until I’m too old to get out there. And now I can’t unsee that double Hulk Hogan mustache. Thanks Jon 😂.
I think a 2024 is gonna hold it’s value pretty well over time as it will be considered the last of it’s kind.
You made a great choice man. I've been driving my 5th Gen for 5 years and it feels like we just met yesterday. It's so great to drive and I still give it that second look when I walk away in the parking lot. There have been zero mechanical issues. I think I could easily drive it for another 5 years and I have full faith that it would keep going even longer.
Very seriously, considering the 6th gen, I can't wait for ride reviews
Can't wait to share with you all.
Great video! Completely upfront and honest about these new Tacomas and four runners.I’m bummed out about the exact same interior in both of these.My wife had a 2005 limited four runner and man it was nice and had a very nice looking interior.Ive got a 2nd gen Tacoma and I may hang onto it lol!
I towed over 6000 lbs across Canada in a 6x12 Uhaul trailer, twice, with my '19 TRD 4Runner (1" rear lift springs with 100lbs higher rating). The trip was ~3100 miles each way.
exceeding tow capacity by 1,000?
I usually get 21-22 mpg in my 18 4Runner XP SR5 Premium in summertime doing highway driving around NC / SC. Usually around 18.5-19.5 MPG in winter.
2021 4runner with 36k miles, so I'm just out of the "break-in" period 😄
Nice!
I never see the double stache until you mention it. I am indifferent on the powertrain but the trd pro mud bath is so sexy. Only beefs will be cost.
Give Toyota 2-3 years to work out the bugs. Too many misses lately to trust a new model. Buy a 5th Gen and drive that while you wait. It should hold its value fine.
Good luck, my new Tacoma hybrid isn’t getting anymore than 18mpg
Hulk Hogan mustache awesome! 2 Hulk Hogan mustaches. Double awesome!
I’m not sold on the new body style. New tech doesn’t always mean better. Give it at least three years to see if the new engine and transmission has the proven reliability of its predecessor. I just bought a new 5th Gen TRD ORP about a month ago and absolutely love it. She’s a keeper and will be a lifelong family member.
Government regulations caused them to change, not the consumer. If it was the consumer, then 5th gen would remain on the lot just like all the new Tundras.
Yeah it's irritating.. even ford starting to force them to have PHEV ranger
We love our new 24’ sequoia. The new tech is awesome. Would definitely try a new 4 runner previous owner of a 15’ & 20’
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Great pros and cons! My con is the moustache here which is still better than the Tundra. 😀
It's so interesting how people have different takes on design. I don't see a mustache, let alone a "double mustache" that resembles Hulk Hogan's flavor savor. In 2003, I bought an SR5 with the hood scoop; I liked that design. That said, I like this one better. (I like it considerably more than the previous "tear drops" design.)
You should never buy an "all new" regardless of brand. Buy after a year or two after they sort out the issues.
genuine question - is this really an issue? I understand there are probably tons of problems on new vehicles but I feel like thats the advantage of the buyer.. I bought my first car, a Jeep, and it had tons of issues but after 3 years of driving it (about 1 breakdown a year) I was able to lemon law it and get all of my money back so I felt like I drove a car for free for 3 years. Then used that money for a new car
@@teasullyhow do you “lemon law” it? Driving a Hyundai right now with some issues the manufacturer is aware of…
@@blueanime29211 if you find a lemon lawyer you would explain to them the issues youve been having and receipts. if they believe you have a case they are supposed to do the whole thing for free i believe. they only take a cut from the check you receive. this was in california. not sure other states.
6:22 $53k-$56k for trd pro are like 2021-2023 used models. 2024 models that I've seen for sale online either new or lightly used (under 5k miles) are like all over $60k. Absolutely absurd lmao
In the last 3 years the dollar has lost a staggering 17% of its value. Thats not Toyota’s fault.
That’s just dumb
Very absurd, but dont feel bad when you find out how small the Land Cruiser is paying for the same and less space. Not understanding the logic of these decisions 🙈
My fave is how bulky the front is. From the rear wheel back is meh for me...then hearing its a 4 banger really hurt my heart lol.
Fantastic video and fair for both sides of the debate….nice mic holder :)
Thank you kindly!
Great video, i definitely appreciate the thoughts. For anyone that has a 4th gen 4R im in the mindset that theres not a big reason to upgrade with how reliable they are. Im in the group looking to trade brands and im stuck either waiting for the 25 or trying to scoop up one of the last 24s in a configuration i actually like
Thanks for sharing!
Seeing the 4runner gone back to its Pickup Passenger suv makes me excited. Im gonna wait for Xterra to be frontier based.
Watching This on my Toyota Fortuner
Hi Jon yes you right about issues
The issue I have on the new Tacoma is the 2 chirping noise on cold start but only for few seconds it goes away when it warms up looks like lot of people have the comment on the 4th gen taco forum!
I've been something of a fan of the 4Runner for a little while now, but always felt it was more vehicle than I needed or would use. But with the recent buzz over the next gen I find that I'm more curious now than ever to possibly dive in to that Toyota pool. Besides waiting on that final pricing, one of the big concerns is the potential for any "first year" design issues. I've been in a Subaru Outback Wilderness for a few years now and it's really been a great car! But the more I look the more I think it might be time for a truck!! :)
Not a fan of the the interior and definitely Hate the Front designs !!! Really wish they kept the same 5th gen Headlights !
Great points on keeping 5th gen
I average 19.5 in the city and 21 on the hwy all the time in my 2020 4runner TRD Off Road. That's commuting in Atlanta traffic.
Don’t worry the new one will get the same mpg with less reliability 😂
No way you get 19 mpg with traffic. I get 21 mpg on the highway
@@ashresearcher i can take a picture of my mpg and prove it.
@@IReviewIt any tips to reach that mpg in the city?
@ashresearcher the only things I do is 1). Get the oil changed every 5k miles. I don't do that 10k BS. I like my cars better than to do that. 2) every oil change I put in Royal Purple fuel system treatment. 3). I only use Shell or BP gas (can't confirm that makes a difference but it's one consistency I have). 4). I drive 5-7 over speed limit and don't do much WOT. Heck, in Atlanta traffic on surface roads, you can't do that much anyway. I commute 3 days per week, 40 miles each way on surface streets. That's pretty much it. I went and filled up 2 hours ago and checked my miles. I got 20.2 mpg. Took a picture and will post to my RUclips page.
If the new 4runner requires premium fuel, that's going to be a huge negative for me.
Oh MASSIVE fail if it does. I don't see it though requiring that.
It will probably run fine on regular just like the 5th Gen will tow 6k pounds.
Land Cruiser has entered this chat 🤣
I don’t get the concern over .50 cents or so. Never understood this
If you plan on keeping it for like forever or a loooong time, why wouldnt you use premium anyways? Pennywise dollar foolish.
Price will determine if I get one or not. I’ve waited a long time for this new model but seeing how expensive the taco got, I don’t know if it’ll be worth the likely hefty price tag.
It does look really good. The color is badass.
Well said. I am driving the fifth gen 2015 after owning the first gen and the third gen. I have 243000 miles on the car and still running like a new. Just love it.
Part of me wants both the Gen 5th and gen 6th after they fix any bugs haha
Like your videos. I have a mint gen 3 and my driver side outside mirror won’t lock anymore. Do you know if I need a whole new mirror unit or just a spring. The mirror wobbles. Desert Dune is the color. Where would I find one if I need to replace? Or do I buy a black one and paint? FYI Toyota does not sell. It’s a 97
Anymore.
6G folding rear seats leave a hump and seem to reduce the overall storage length which doesn't allow you to sleep in the back or lay something flat that is lengthy. Will the forward passenger seat be able to adjust its height for taller people, like the driver seat? Probably not. What about a place to hold a cell phone? Or cup holders that can accomodate larger width mugs? Probably not. I have owned a new 2002, 2008, and 2018, and hope that the smaller improvements aren't overlooked which they probably are.
Any word on what the 3rd row is like. I’m assuming it’s not actually functional but useable when it is needed, which is basically my situation. Any measurements yet or photos?
No idea yet.
@ cool thx!
How many miles are too many on my 2016 4 Runner? At what point do I “need” a new one? 🖖🏽
Getting an additional 6 MPG highway on premium gas negates any savings you would have had
It’s regular gas
So my 2018 4 runner just got totaled 😢 (not my fault) should i race to find a 2024 4 runner or wait for the 2025!???
Waiting for the new LandCruiser FJ! Manual and no turbos please.
We can hope and pray hahah
No offense but keep dreaming . Fj with a 3 cylinder turbo plug in hybrid lol 😂
Keep dreaming bud. Toyota fell tf off hard. Never saw so many sitting in a dealership parking lot in my life.
@@Keefer24 Ok lets not get ridiculous. They haven’t fallen off. They released new generations with new powertrains to keep up with emissions. Those naturally aspirated engines were around for decades. We are in year 1 and entering 2. They will get it sorted . Do I like this hybrid crap no but Toyota isn’t going to become a unreliable brand . They are the biggest car brand in the world .
@@yourpalbobbyboiKeefer24 is competing with Naveen for Toyota Hate-Troll of the year.
My main hesitation is the fuel economy on the 4 Runner. I can not justify a vehicle getting 15mpg as my daily lol. I can tolerate low 20s. I’ll definitely wait and see what the 2025 has on offer. If I don’t like it, I might snag a 2024.
My 2019 TRD offroad avg between 22-24 mpg at 64mph using 87 octane. Keeping the tire pressure at 40psi also helps mpg.
Good luck snagging a 2024
@@BGood496 they are pretty readily available in the DMV area honestly.
Regular vs Premium Gas 👀
Waiting on a 2026 Trailhunter. Won't buy the first year. Have a 2014 4Runner so no hurry. Wish they wouldn't keep pushing it back. Hope second year they come up with a plug in hybrid. We'll see.
Nice man!
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Already in love with it.
Will fit it and take it from there
My 1985 would get 22mpg with bfg mud terrains, my 98 supercharged 5sp would get 22 mpg, my 06 with 4.0 would get 21, my 18/21 trd pros would get 19. It’s time to get increase and not decrease!
Nice! This will most likely increase too. That’s great 😃
I’m not buying one, but I do like the color of the one in the video. What is that color Jon?
Thats the mudbath color for the TRD Pro
Keeping my ‘22 TRD ORP. The bulletproof V6 is just too damn reliable.
My thoughts and prayers are with you, your wife, and all Floridians as Hurricane Helene passes. You have several apocalyptic vehicles to choose from if you need to evacuate and/or help others (I'd pick the tried-and-true 4Runner).
Thank you!
I have a 2010 Limited. Bought it when the model came out. I have 323k miles on it now. After waiting for years for a new model to come out, the 2025 is a huge disappointment for me. Hoping to keep my 2010 for as long as I can.
if they install the 6 cyl 4.0L engine mated with an 8 speed tranny, then people will think about it...
Sure thing
I don't need a turbo charged engine! That's the number one reason not to buy!
My 2005 4Runner's sticker had 17/21 for the V6, which is the reason I wanted the V6. But yeah, the later 4Runners, and so disappointed with my 2016 Highlander's 16/19, what in the world? Corvettes have better mileage! That is disappointing that a lot of style cues come from the Tacoma. My HVAC controls are 5 starred rockers, so easy to raise or lower temps, 3 degrees down, just press three times, and can do it with gloves on. Not a fan of the face either. The 2024 face is very cool. I like to rear window curving up into the roof. Standard safety assistance features are welcome. Also, my 2005 came with roof rack, fog lamps, side steps, all standard. I think the roof rack and side steps have been add-ons for a while. I'd like a new one, but will wait a year at least.
4Runner has been the best SUV I have ever had. I bought one in 2005 and had it for 14 years. I sold it with 214,000 miles, and the vehicle is still running. Very reliable.
Yeah not these new ones bud 😂
@@Keefer24That’s what they said in 2005.
@@NomenClature-o8sWhat was so drastically different about the 2005 model aside from a NA motor? You know this is gonna be a turbo now right? 2005 turbo vehicles are rare nowadays
I learned a long time ago to never buy 1st edition vehicles.
I have been tempted many times, but I have always waited a year.
I think most 4 runner owners won’t upgrade but if your coming from another brand and looking for a body on frame vehicle . The gx 550, land cruiser, sequoia and 4 runner have to be in the conversation . Toyota had some hiccups but they will figure it out. I have my two cars for the next couple decades but I am a car guy holding onto the glory days haha. Technology is convenient when it works. However we all know it doesn’t always work. Cool cars nonetheless . Maybe I will buy the 8th gen when it drives on water .
If you value money over a depreciating asset you will not a buy any new Toyota. Overpriced and nowhere near reliable.
@@Keefer24 I agree but you legit can say that about 98% of cars. I am good with my 5th gen. Cars are terrible investments. The value is keeping a car for decades.
The 2025 4Runner 2 wheel drive SR5 with no added options will start at $47,885 which includes a delivery charge of $1,495.
The 2025 4Runner TRD PRO will be $69,430 which includes a delivery charge of $1,495.
How do you know?
Too high. $47,885 = a 2025 SR5 4WD. A 2WD would be $3,000 less or $44,885. There won't be any 2025 "SR"s, just like there a none for 2024, only SR5
@@stuckman10look at the market right now, it’s not hard to figure out. I for one think they will be more. I see these junky Tacoma trd pros for 85k on lots near my house. ( NEPA)
@@verlaryder In March of 2023 my calculated MSRP for the new 2024 Tacoma double cab SR 4x4 was $38,900 with delivery and no options; people laughed and thought I was out of my mind. The actual MSRP was $38,695. My Calculation for the TRD PRO was $64,995, the actual MSRP was $65,395
My calculations for the 2022 Tundra were within $250 for every trim and $80 under for the TRD PRO.
I promise, these numbers will be VERY VERY close to the actual MSRP.
Here is my complete list for the 2025 4Runner.
SR5 (2x4) $46,185
SR5 (4X4) $47,885
TRD Sport $50,175
TRD Sport Premium $56,680
TRD Off-Road $51,710
TRD Off-Road Premium $58,380
Limited $62,730
Platinum $70,995
TRD Pro $69,430
Trailhunter $68,250
Always wait for the 3rd year of the new remake
Both the 5th gen and 6th gen look good. I think the 6th gen looks slightly better. Getting 17 mpg in the 5th gen is what kept me from getting one. Now, you can't even find any new 5th gens on lots. I would like to get a 6th gen TRD Off Road with hybrid option. I think Toyota will build a good product. Before the trolls call it a mall crawler again, I want it for the snow, not really off roading. Also, that soccer mom driving her son to the mall with it will someday pass that on to that kid and HE will off road with it.
With them keeping pushing back its release makes me think they’re working out the bugs before it comes out
Hopefully!
I've got that screen in my wife's RAV4. It's the worst part of the vehicle. It's laggy, poorly organized, and looks like HELL after you've touched it just a few times.
I’m concerned about the longevity of the new hybrid engine as opposed to My 2011 Toyota Limited forerunner. They all have these amazing 300,000+ miles but now I’m concerned about the Hybrid engine having the longevity?
As much as I understand a majority of 4Runner buyers don't mind the underpowered powertrain as much, and are more focused on getting from point A-B, the new powertrain is just better IMO. I drove a friend's 4runner and coming from a modern V6 Highlander, I was not impressed at all, and was a deal breaker to me. Considering the LC and the Tacoma have the powertrain and are already out, the amount of "issues" are less likely to happen to the 4Runner, especially since its made in Japan.
Perfectly said! A-B and back home. Thats what we want. But if we get that and a better driving experience too, then man that's a win win.
Pretty sure the Tundra engine fiasco which also affected the GX550's (built in Japan) dispels the whole, built in Japan automatically equals better build quality
@@YerBoyTroy the thing is, while I haven’t heard of any GXs breaking down or anything, the build quality is noticeably different between the 2. Just based on what I have seen, and personally owning 2 Toyotas, one made in America and the other in Japan.
@@arhamkhakwani5851 any difference between the GX and tundra 'build quality' is more attributed to Lexus being a luxury line vs Toyota , more so than built in Japan vs not built in Japan. Example the old rx350 vs gx470 were on par with each other fit and finish wise despite the Rx being built in Canada. Same thing with the 4runner vs the old gen Sequoia. Build quality was pretty on par between both vehicles despite build locations. Maybe back in the day when parts and manufacturing processes weren't globally standardized you had quality inconsistencies across plants, but nowadays it's pretty consistent across the board. Toyota invested billions to make this so
The previous Gen 4Runner was not a particularly nice driving vehicle. I wouldn’t pick one unless it was specifically as an off-roader.
I love the look of the new 4Runner, but I would wait 1 model year for everything to get sorted and the aftermarket to be full. So many haters out there, but my 2023 Sequoia TRD Pro has been perfect - no issues at all, and amazing gas mileage. I trust in Toyota - and they back their products well 😊
Fair enough!
😂 how much did you pay ? Do you even off- road it ?
I hope in the near future Toyota does offer a V6 otherwise noo go for me , i have my doubts on the longevity on the 4 cylinder turbocharged engines. Toyota bring back a more fuel efficient 6 cylinder like the 3.0 or the 3.3 V6.
Good point. 2x
I've got a '19 4runner with 84k on it. 3" lift on 33"s (sr5 premium) in excellent condition. Your opinion, when will I "need" a new one, providing I don't wreck it? 😁
In about 20 years. That truck will last as long as you want it to. 👍
Hmmm if TRD pro goes to 70k… how does that hold up vs GX550?! Hoping it stays low.
I am a newbie to 4Runner. I bought 2024 4Runner (solar octane color) but I am debating whether I should go for 2025 4Runner or not. Any guidance will be much appreciated.
I love the looks of the new one, my problem is too pricy! I'll keep my 2010 Highalnder till the wheels fall off, and by the looks of it going to take awhile, just past Pa inspection and needed nothing..
Yep we will see when revealed.
2023 SR5 Prem with a third row, this car will be my kid’s college car (who aren’t born)
Hey Jon…..so Raiti gave a big zonk on the gloss black fender flares on the new 4 Runner TRD Pro. I mentioned to him that you stated that one reason why going paint rather than a matte plastic finish was that paint can be buffed while matte finishes cannot and he followed with his comment: “I am not seeing that!” Do you stand by your comment (I would and no reasonable person would expect any “pro” model of any vehicle retaining a perfect stock appearance)?
I mean it’s simple, paint can be polished. Textured plastic can’t.
@@TRDJon I know, right? He’s dismissed very informative info you’ve provided before. Do you know him? You both live in Florida.
I have met him at some Toyota events yes. They seem nice.
Am still happy w/my 3rd gen. It has 17.3% more power per weight than the 5th generation 4Runners.
Great little cars
@@TRDJon I went from a 1st gen to 3rd. Do you sell vehicles, for work?
No i don't. Just make videos
2024 4Runner Pro are $57-59K before TTL here in the DFW area.
Wild….
I'll be a believer when the NEW 4RUNNER hits 200k miles with minimal repairs like my 06 4runner.
Being built in Japan should be seen as a reason to buy.
Problem is the population is starting to disappear
LC250, designed by Toyota-Japan, made in Japan; no reported issues. 4G Tacoma, designed by Toyota-America, made in Mexico, same powertrain; all kinds of problems. Perhaps Made in Japan is the critical difference.
Maybe
I've owned third, fourth, and my fifth gen now for 8 years....I can not wait for the 6th.
I'm looking at a 24 TRD Off Road Premium right now, but I'm trying to wait to check out the 6th Gen. I will probably wait. I can always find a used 24 next year. The PRO's in my market are 58-59K. We don't "NEED" anything new but LOL.
Buy the old one dude, don’t waste your time.
We’re still driving our 95’ 4Runner that you referred to as 3.blow. Sorry mate, but it’s a kick ass rig with 119k on the clock in a manual transmission. It’s totally dope!
I had one as well. It’s not the best engine at all for that heavy vehicle. I had an automatic though.
4 cylinder engines under pressure will never last as long as a 6 cylinder. People buy Toyotas because they are reliable. When I buy a truck I’m not buying it because I’m worried about gas mileage. I buy trucks to get jobs done with power to spare and reliability.
22RE one of the most reliable Toyota engines had a turbo. 2JZ? Reliable. It’s possible
What power to spare has any 4Runner had? They’ve always been underpowered while having garbage efficiency. The worst of both worlds
Gtreat, honest opinion….thanks
No worries!
The Hulkster Runner 😂😂
Had a 2020 SR5 and got….22.3mpg. Went from Chicago to Louisville. I was shocked
2wd non-Premium trim (i.e., the lightest of all 4Runner trims)?
@@iwazaru8101 it had the option for 4WD
I like everything in the new 4runner except the engine and the front bumper, If only we can swap the bumper to a tacoma 2024 then I will not mind that 4banger engine.
Best advice FJ owners gave me is dont sell the car expecting a better one because there probably wont be. 5th GEN 4runner til 2040 or if Gas gets above $5 in states outside of California.
If someone wants one, get it. If someone doesn’t want it, don’t get it.
I get the attachment to what is now.
Forrrrrrr sure!!!!
MPG's is a subjective term. I was getting 17/21 mpg with my 23 TRD ORP before 2.5" lift, 33" tires and 108lbs of Westcott sliders. Now my mpg is 15/19 which is right there with EPA sticker of 16/19.
Once you start modding the new gen stuff MPG will decrease as usual. I believe the new 4Runner will have the same mpg as the new Tacoma, not the Land Cruiser, which is 19/23
Your gonna want a extended warranty with the 6th gen.
Where most people would walk away from buying a 5th gen. thinking what do i need that for..
The top new models are complex and have alot going on. Makes you think twice about owning one..
I’m in for the 2027
That double hulk hogan mustache comment man 😂 You've now ruined it for me 🙈🤣 At least he's for Trump!
For the people who are worried about the new hybrid engine, dont! This is Toyota were talking about whos whole reputation is based on reliability, they had a handful of problems with the tundras and are replacing over 100k engines on their dime, if there are any reliability issues at all I fully trust in Toyota to fix them in the same manner.