@@zeveroarerules if they do they might be unaware of the numerous ways it hasn't done consumers any favors. Not to mention how slow they are to fight climate change, by insisting on subsidising the meat & dairy industry by the billions. This will be even worse for consumers in the long run.
It would be especially useful now considering that if you're a person like me that has had their phone for years their battery is not what it used to be
I was just going to comment how I used to do just this, pre-charge a battery so it was full, then keep it in my pocket wherever I went so that I could easily swap batteries when the one in use died, then I would charge that dead battery up again when I could - I forget how I did that, if they had chargers for the batteries themselves, or if I put the dead battery into an old phone I wasn't using, but that's not important.
You can repair your phones, vast majority don’t give a fuck to learn how, and would still pay the fee to get it changed. Not to mention how much poorer quality batteries are gonna be. Wasn’t good then, won’t be good now
@@Sutekhson-ol9jj apple tech in disguise I see. Trying to gaslight people into believing the nonsense that apple has also been trying to gaslight its customers with. nice try.
@Sutekhson-ol9jj except that the replacement parts are impossible to get and they do little things like solder the ram onto the motherboard of their computers and pair the cpu and bios chips so you can't replace one without replacing the other. Seriously, you sound like you have no idea about what's going on
it was our past as well, but many kids may not know it... Instead breaking phone after dropping it, it just splited into tree parts rear back, phone and battery, no one need to repair screen or cases.
@@1ssac1 Ah man, the good old days of taking a battery off first just to put your sim in, something satisfying about that. Instead of today putting a thing in a hole just to get the sim holder out 😅
@@1ssac1I remember those days. Open the lid. Remember kids, there's a mark on bottom of phone to open it. Remove the Battery. Put the sim in its place carefully. Put the battery back carefully aligning the battery pins. Close the Lid. Now: Use ejector tool to open the tray. Put sim into tray. Close. Less number of step. Convenient way imo. But removable batteries were great. Sad that they are no more. Especially on Laptops.
I hope the law also protects users from Apple adding 'security' to their battery so that if you don't replace it with an $800 genuine battery, your touch screen feature won't work (or something else is nerfed).
Yes, that's just one reason why I would NEVER be stupid enough to buy Apple PRODUCTS, remember when they slowed your apple phones down, and blatantly raised the prices of their stuff as they said to raise their profits even more 😡
Pretty much all phones used to have replaceable batteries, although nice to see it back, if you like your current phone then it's good for doubling it's lifespan.
If you drive a lot and use phone for navigation/music while driving, it spends a lot of time on charger, constantly heating up the battery, and it kills them quickly. This will potentionally save a ton of e waste.
Not really, they could brick the device through other means like software updates. Personally experienced this when my S20+ screen started showing a line after an update and a few days later the screen turned completely white. Searched for solutions but it turns out this issue was really common and was irreversible meaning I needed to pay $300 for a screen replacement
@@deusexmachina5769 I'm surprised they haven't gotten sued for this, yet. My Note 4 had died at around 2 years as well when a software update came and made it unbootable (eMMC error). Pretty sure they were sued for this.
I hardly see how a removable phone back would "increase manufacturing complexity" vs having to use a curved piece of glass. In fact, they increased manufacturing complexity so we COULDN'T get into the phone lol.
Exactly they don't want people messing with the stuff because they make more money selling you a new phone then you hsving the ability to repair your own phone
Just glueing the whole thing together instead of having parts designed to come apart certainly increases complexity. Right now the iPhone chassis is just one sealed box but if the battery is user replaceable, you have to have multiple sealed compartments.
Just get an iPhone you literally pay for the software longevity, google or other companies like Samsung would probably charge you even more for that in wich case androids would become just as expensive as iPhones
I don't know about this, guys, if consumers are allowed to remove the batteries then they might start throwing them at each other or trying to eat them or something.
False. Back in my day, we had gameboys that required 4 AA batteries. They were easily removable. Although we did loose the battery cover, we were smart enough to not eat them.
It's not true, many sites have picked up on this information, but in reality UE is asking for easier battery replacement, not interchangeable batteries. Basically, if you can replace your battery yourself without going to a manufacturer with a repair kit, that's enough, so Apple Samsung and many others are already in line, and nothing will change for them.
* "readily removable without professional tools". My guess is that "unglueing the back with a heat gun, trying not to crack it while fiddling with the adhesive" doesnt fall under that wording.
We're so much more civilized in the United States; here, our elected representatives would never dare encroach on a corporation's private right to screw over consumers. After all, corporate rights are human rights 🙂
i don't wanna say it but you know back in my age everything that have battery have freedom to remove it and replace along side with simcards and sdcards for extra data.
My old note 4 was arguably better than new phones. Removable battery, headphone jack, worked as a universal remote (I could literally mess with any TV in public like I'm in watch dogs). It even had 4k recording back then.
id still use mine if i could, but its network locked and a PITA to try to undo that. thanks USA. and the screen is trying to peel off... but it still functions. just did a wipe on it in case i decide to finally dispose of these old phones laying around.
I used my note 4 until 2019. It eventually started to do the phone equivalent of bsod and even the replacement batteries I bought were almost DOA. They had been sitting in the warehouse too long. I really miss that sucker.😢
Y'all are getting way too excited. IMO it's very likely a device battery qualifies as "readily removable" if you can get a replacement battery, and the replacement process is well documented and non-destructive.
Why would removable batteries be more costly? I still remember when they were the standard years ago, when the phones with integrated batteries were introduced they were more expansive even with lower specs than a phone with a removable battery.
@@briskymfs Well at least you don't need to throw away the phone. In fact it's not that much to deal to upgrade nowadays than what it used to. Look the specs are almost the same just with minor changes, upgrading costs for hundred dollars unlike replacing a battery for low price. You rather saving money than getting new features that you all don't use in fact not all new features are important on you unless if you are a big fan of it.
@@NathanYellowStarProductions I’m not a big fan of the removable battery this is gonna increase phone theft without the battery I won’t be able to track it
@@briskymfs That's just the caveat though but in fact if you know your phone's imei then you can blacklist it if it was stolen. You always can check your imei by dialing *#06# also keep your IMEI private too.
I remember jumping inside swimming pool with Motorola G3 recording myself, which definitely has openable backside and water resistant too. 🤷♂️ I’ll only open and let the battery and body dry up before charging again. It works still fine.
There are always advantages and disadvantages: a second charged battery quickly gives you a lot of additional running time for the device that matches the battery. The power bank can charge anything that can be charged via USB.
It's no going to increase complexity. They just need to change the tape under the batteries for the easy to remove one that already exists on some phone models
Apple would probably threaten to stop selling their phones in Europe but we all know damn well they will do anyway because of the financial losses of that action.
Imagine having two batteries for your phone and putting one on the charger, and then if the one in your phone dies you can instantly be back to 100% after a swap. (In a modern phone)
For the longest time they've been hurting the planet and their consumers for the sake of greed. A removeable-battery smartphone is honestly a completely different day-to-day experience, especially if you buy a second battery. Also it means more phones will be made out of plastic, which I honestly prefer, not just for the lighter weight, better grip, increased signal strength, improved repair-ability, but for the price too.
I still use a Nokia 8048 windows phone that is made out of steel, with a plastic back. you are right it heavy for its size. but it strong as hell. it will take more punishment than the cheap plastic phones the make now.
the EU did not "arguably" force apple to switch shit... Apple literally invented USB C (as well as thunderbolt) with a group of others like Intel and was the first to make laptops with multiple usb c thunderbolt ports. So it was just a matter of time.
First off it was forced, apple would not of done it and was actually against Also apple didnt invent there was a few apple engineers on the team... which basically means nothing other then apple has decent engineers
I'm so sad because the biggest problem with phones is the battery, it just becomes terrible in a few years, but my phone is still functioning decently.
When smartphones first came out you are able to replace the battery. And I used to carry a second battery with me. That was fully charged and if I ever ran out of power. I would just swap the battery real quick. And it always helped a lot if I was on a road trip or something and needed navigation.
I like this idea, but something can go in the battery slot and block the battery if it's stuck. Having removable battery panel also allows us to clean the battery contacts easily. The battery will also need to be strong to prevent getting damaged by careless customers.
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Isn't that something that LG used to do in some of their phones? I believe one of them was the G5
Phones are already way faster than the vast majority of people actually need. Cut costs by reusing previously released chipsets, and redirect those cost savings into battery swapping.
@@Jj82opAnd then companies would make the battery price almost the cost of a new phone so you could just get a new one. If you think you could just get a third party battery think again. Companies can just add a layer of protection so a device can only work with a specific battery. (If this law is actually going to be applied I expect Apple starting the trend I just mentioned)
@@thebestianis They already do a lot of that with othet stuff, that is the point of legislation. It's won't be just "make the battery removable lol", I'm sure they will have more rules in place
funny because just yesterday i changed the battery of my fathers iphone and fuck me was it a pain in the ass to get into this fucker and to remove the battery adhesive. the apple store actually wanted 250€ + 49€ for the battery, so i bought a battery for 12€ and did it myself, with an ifixit kit and a little help from youtube. cant what for usbc and easy to change batteries on all phones.
This does not mean you need a removeable cover; it also means the phone can stay the same body style but can be opened with tools that are easily found online or supplied to you via the phone maker
It's going to make cell phonea a lot safer and lengthen their lifespan. However Governments also need to urgently clamp down on Google and Apple in particular - for deliberately forcing premature replacement of older but fully functional phones by disabling /breaking critical apps (or slowing them down) - so they won't work on older phones - to force upgrades. We've all had numerous phones we've had to discard because the phone can not run the latest version of iOS or android - or older apps suddenly aren't able to function - even though the phone was in good condition. How this common practice has been allowed to continue this long - speaks volumes about the general incompetence of government technical oversight or rather the lack of it. Consumers need to be protected! We shouldnt be forced to upgrade. Despite Apple and Google claiming new features wont work on these older phones this argument is largely false. Most phones even those that are 8 or more years old are quite capable of playing YT videos or movies and sending and receiving email or browsing the web etc - that is if the operating system software didnt explicitly block phone models or require some non critical and often unnecessary 'new' hardware option or feature only available in new phones. There needs to be far more transparency from these two companies so they cannot force premature redundancy and replacement. It literally is criminal.
I find it funny that "waterproofness" is so important to everyone. I can count on my right hand fingers the people that actually dropped their phone in water. And seriously, who takes intentionally a shower with their phone with them? C'mon
It happens that people drop their phone in wet environments or have it out in heavy rainfall. But they can make phone water resistant even with easier removable batteries. Waterproof phones is nothing i rely on, but it's nice to increase my chances of survival.
Replacable batteries were normal until Apple made them not normal. Opening a phone to change the bettery or the SIM was not only normal, it was expected. You all got hoodwinked into thinking phones were sealed units only a professional could handle.
it's so funny to me that some people are actually mad about this... talking about we are stepping backwards 10 years to old android phones... like how is easily removeable batteries a bad thing? As far as I understand it they can use screws it just has to be something a normal person is expected to be able to do
@@gorkskoal9315because some people don't want phones that disassemble themselves when they are dropped they also prefer phones that don't need to be replaced when they have water spilled on them
@@gorkskoal9315mostly apple fan boys that will definitely buy the phone but will still complain about it up until its release where they will call it revolutionary
I think that the eu has done great work at making pro consumer laws, but i want to have a definition of easily replaceable, as the simple "pop off the back" system could compromize would-be waterproof phones, but apple should not require the activation of a battery just for the phone to give accurate readings, etc.
It's not completely true, pop off batteries don't compromise the waterproof level. There have been older phones with replacable batteries and good IPX level. They just have to change their engineer's objectives and they can make it work
Look, if you buy a water-resistant phone you kinda have to expect to pay someone for having the seal as good as new. And I'm fine about paying an official store for doing it. What I'm not fine with is paying 100+ euros for a battery replacement. It's a cheap work, it's not fair to charge me that much
Samsung is still making water-resistant phones (IP68) with removable batteries. It's the Samsung Galaxy Xcover series. "Compromising the water-resistance of phones" is just a marketing trick to make the consumers agree with manufacturer's method of planned obsolescence.
I used to have the 10,000 mah zero lemon battery when I used to have the samsung galaxy note 4. I miss being able to have a removable battery and swap it for the highest capacity available. It was literally a brick but the phones battery would last me all day, the way I use my phone, the 10,000 mah lasted me the whole day not even 2 or 3 days. I have the display brightness maxed out 100% 24/7 on manual, autobrightness turned off, dark mode turned off, power savings turned off etc. and other settings that drains the battery. I still use the same settings even to this day. I use my phone like my gaming laptop or any laptop when I drain the battery and use it heavily and I only get 2 hours of battery on my gaming laptop or any laptop before it says low battery.
That's just the 1st step. We need standardized form-factors, so that we can swap batteries of different devices, without having to desperately search for a specific model. This was possible with old Samsung Galaxies: S4, J3 Mission, J2 Prime, and perhaps S5, all had the exact same battery
Maybe. It couldn't be standardized across every company, just individually, but even then as someone who doesn't make phones I can't pretend to know what affect that may have on the overall form factor of a given phone if all phones are required to use the same interchangeable battery. That and the power draw of phones are all different. It's like being required to stick 6 AA batteries into a 360 controller simply because the Sega Game Gear needed that amount despite the controller only really needing 2-- or visa versa. Not the best analogy, but you get my point.
@@lethauntic Many battery packs these days are already the same, just with a different ribbon cable, slightly different form factor or even just a different part number. Standarizing them would just mean that is easier for us to fix our devices.
@@lethauntic Exactly. I guess that's why batteries with different voltages have different shapes, to prevent consumers from accidentally undervolting/overvolting a device. The last paragraph I wrote, wasn't a good comparison either. I didn't meant that voltages should be standardized, although that could be nice in some special cases
@@Mr.Morden if there is a bug in a app which makes it useless, other apps exist. If there is a bug in the system, Android devices have tons of workarounds while iPhone users have the opportunity to learn jailbreaking.
Just install a custom ROM. Why would you even want to use a stock OS, on most Android phones (especially Chinese ones) it works like garbage and is bloated af
@@Steph.98114 You don't have to replace it once a year to have a healthy battery the whole time. A bigger battery means fewer use/recharge - cycles. And avoiding extreme heat (dashboard in summertime :-) gives your phone an extra year of lifetime...
@@Sassquatch0 BT is much more expensive and if you lose one earbud you might as well have lost both. USB forces you to either charge or listen to music, not both. You might not need this, but others do. I listen to music daily while charging my S7.
@@skaleee1207 A $3 dongle lets you charge & use the USB port simultaneously. I bought multiples types of adapters last year, in the off chance I need them, and have only used 1 of them in that time. And I can get BT earbuds just as cheap as weird ones. I can even get quality USB-C earbuds if I want wired. (AND I can still charge with that adapter.)
@@skaleee1207 just don’t lose the earbuds and modern headphones usually support features like find my on AirPods where you can track them, with AirPods Pro 2 you will even find them inside your home because it has a U1 chip wich makes it possible to see the exact distance from your phone to the AirPods
@@Sassquatch0 IT might not be an issue in the EU or NA, but the rest of the world is not so rich to afford Airpods or similarly good bluetooth earbuds. I am not disagreeing with you, its just that a good pair of wired buds cost 3-4x less than wireless ones. And coming to the point of USBs, yes USB Type-C might be the only connector one needs, then again USB-As still exist in the consumer electronics ecosystem and is way less expensive. So , yeah, not disagreeing with you on the usability aspect but respectfully disagreeing on the Cost aspect.
This is hard 😥 how would manufacturers retain the water resistance with a back that opens ?? 🤔 In addition, the building material of the back would return to being plastic, I haven't seen a glass removable back in my life
there should be a few things to add on top of just implementing removable batteries on phone: - a small portion of the total battery should NOT be removable by conventional means. that would allow the phone to keep working while getting its main battery replaced. - adhesive is favoured by so many companies not just because it is anti-repair, but also a foolproof and cheap way to give water resistance. new phones need a waterproof design without adhesive, and that might unfortunately lead to using precious internal space for waterproof gaskets, seals, protective layers and other structures. - please don't put plastic caps over those ports for water-/dustproof. those flappy things are ugly nightmares.
Bull shit. Phones with replacable batteries have been around before phones without them. And those phones that had them in the past have been way cheaper to buy then phones today without that feature.
I'm glad Apple went from Lightning to USB-C because it made better business sense than they care to admit, but even though I've got the same opinion about non-removable batteries vs removable ones, I still don't think government should be able to strong-arm anyone over ease-of-use issues like these. If a company wants to drive away their own customers and run themselves out of business, then great, let them make way for startups who still care about quality.
This is, at its core, not about ease of use. Fundamentally, this regulation is about production, labeling and recycling of all kinds of batteries, from earbuds to EVs. i It's an environmental thing. The part everyone gets hung up on is "just" a specification about new requirements for appliances with batteries, such as phones. While important and user-friendly, "removable batteries in phones" isn't the main objective here.
@@That0neJawn That's a quaint assumption you've made, I'm sure, but I never gave anyone any reason ever to believe that I thought the issue's fundamentally over ease-of-use. All I'm obviously saying is that government should leave ease-of-use out of it. Thanks anyway.
I have a feeling Apple will remove the lightning port on the iPhone rather than replace it with USB-C. Now we need a Wireless standard everyone has to follow.
Years ago Sony already made a water resistant phone with a replaceable battery, it's not Alien science.
Yepp. Hell i ran the like 200 dollar moto G i think it was from years ago. That had a replaceable battery and was water resistant.
Samsung did a similar thing with the S5 Neo.
@@Mike-77-YT And the regular S5, but they added a flap to protect the micro usb port.
In hindsight it might now have been an early MotoG but the S4 or S5 active. It's been a while.
Samsung is still selling water-resistant phones (IP68) with removable batteries.
It's the Samsung Galaxy Xcover series. 👍
EU is a real win for us consumers
said no one ever.
@@erelpc well, people with a brain do though.
Replaceable battery will make a phone more prone to water damage
@@erelpcPeople who arent drunk on 2016 Brexit era fear mongering do
@@zeveroarerules if they do they might be unaware of the numerous ways it hasn't done consumers any favors.
Not to mention how slow they are to fight climate change, by insisting on subsidising the meat & dairy industry by the billions. This will be even worse for consumers in the long run.
i remember when people would carry another battery along and just swap them when needed.
It would be especially useful now considering that if you're a person like me that has had their phone for years their battery is not what it used to be
Because a lot of manufacturers back then gave you a second battery in the box when you bought a phone new, for free.
I used to do that with my note 4. I even had a little charging case for the battery so I could charge it outside the phone
@@RikkiSan1 then you may as well swap the battery for a new one if you would have a phone with a hotswap battery
I was just going to comment how I used to do just this, pre-charge a battery so it was full, then keep it in my pocket wherever I went so that I could easily swap batteries when the one in use died, then I would charge that dead battery up again when I could - I forget how I did that, if they had chargers for the batteries themselves, or if I put the dead battery into an old phone I wasn't using, but that's not important.
Right to repair!
You can repair your phones, vast majority don’t give a fuck to learn how, and would still pay the fee to get it changed. Not to mention how much poorer quality batteries are gonna be. Wasn’t good then, won’t be good now
@Sutekhson-ol9jj except Apple makes it intentionality hard.
@@Sutekhson-ol9jj apple tech in disguise I see. Trying to gaslight people into believing the nonsense that apple has also been trying to gaslight its customers with. nice try.
@@koolkranny it is not that hard. It is the same qualifications that you would need to repair android phones
@Sutekhson-ol9jj except that the replacement parts are impossible to get and they do little things like solder the ram onto the motherboard of their computers and pair the cpu and bios chips so you can't replace one without replacing the other. Seriously, you sound like you have no idea about what's going on
This is fucking great news, thanks EU for being the only fucking international organization doing good for consumers
No thanks I prefer my phones back plate not flying off when I drop it
@@zee-fr5kwyou know that not every phone with replaceable battery uses back plates right ?
@@zee-fr5kwyou can always use super glue 🌚
@@zee-fr5kwjust say you don't care cause you buy a new phone every year it's fine
@@zee-fr5kwdont drop it
Removable Batteries? this is the Future!
it was our past as well, but many kids may not know it...
Instead breaking phone after dropping it, it just splited into tree parts rear back, phone and battery, no one need to repair screen or cases.
@@1ssac1 Ah man, the good old days of taking a battery off first just to put your sim in, something satisfying about that. Instead of today putting a thing in a hole just to get the sim holder out 😅
Better said - Back to the Future 😄
@@1ssac1I remember those days.
Open the lid. Remember kids, there's a mark on bottom of phone to open it.
Remove the Battery.
Put the sim in its place carefully.
Put the battery back carefully aligning the battery pins.
Close the Lid.
Now:
Use ejector tool to open the tray.
Put sim into tray.
Close.
Less number of step. Convenient way imo.
But removable batteries were great. Sad that they are no more. Especially on Laptops.
And the past
Remember removable batteries? They're back in pog form.
I understood that reference
Milhouse 😎
This is just the movement we needed
Remember Pogs? They're back, in NFT form!
R/unexpectedsimpsons
I hope the law also protects users from Apple adding 'security' to their battery so that if you don't replace it with an $800 genuine battery, your touch screen feature won't work (or something else is nerfed).
EU didn't allow restricted USB-C. I am pretty sure this will not go over their head
Its only gonna cost $699.
@@Redwan777 You know what they say about assumptions...
Yeaaah... Apple is diminishing the right to repair Iphones to 3rd parties and nobody is doing shit about it so we will see...
Yes, that's just one reason why I would NEVER be stupid enough to buy Apple PRODUCTS, remember when they slowed your apple phones down, and blatantly raised the prices of their stuff as they said to raise their profits even more 😡
The Galaxy S5, my favorite phone, had a removable battery and was water proof. It was amazing.
Pretty much all phones used to have replaceable batteries, although nice to see it back, if you like your current phone then it's good for doubling it's lifespan.
Depends on the apps and security updates.
If you drive a lot and use phone for navigation/music while driving, it spends a lot of time on charger, constantly heating up the battery, and it kills them quickly. This will potentionally save a ton of e waste.
Not really, they could brick the device through other means like software updates. Personally experienced this when my S20+ screen started showing a line after an update and a few days later the screen turned completely white. Searched for solutions but it turns out this issue was really common and was irreversible meaning I needed to pay $300 for a screen replacement
@@pixels_per_inchif that's planned by that company, then it's highly illegal. That's destruction of property.
@@deusexmachina5769 I'm surprised they haven't gotten sued for this, yet. My Note 4 had died at around 2 years as well when a software update came and made it unbootable (eMMC error). Pretty sure they were sued for this.
So happy! Right to repair is one of the best things to happen to electronics
I hardly see how a removable phone back would "increase manufacturing complexity" vs having to use a curved piece of glass. In fact, they increased manufacturing complexity so we COULDN'T get into the phone lol.
Exactly they don't want people messing with the stuff because they make more money selling you a new phone then you hsving the ability to repair your own phone
Just glueing the whole thing together instead of having parts designed to come apart certainly increases complexity. Right now the iPhone chassis is just one sealed box but if the battery is user replaceable, you have to have multiple sealed compartments.
Ehm, try it make IP 68 rated with swappable battery... it is easy, isn't it?
requiring the battery be in a certain spot could change design. And I guess slightly less waterproof?
@@yaroslavpanych2067 they managed to do it in the early 2000s...i'm sure they can manage to do it now
The EU need to force phone manufacturers to continue pushing Android OS updates for long enough for the phone to even need a battery replacement.
If I'm not mistaken, i think they actually have something like that going on too.
Just get an iPhone you literally pay for the software longevity, google or other companies like Samsung would probably charge you even more for that in wich case androids would become just as expensive as iPhones
Apple literally got caught slowing down older phones without telling anyone in the hope people would buy a new one.
@@stiegelzeine2186Ah yeah no
@@stiegelzeine2186not everyone has the money for one.
I don't know about this, guys, if consumers are allowed to remove the batteries then they might start throwing them at each other or trying to eat them or something.
That's why they have manuals in the US to tell you not to do that and don't iron your clothes while wearing them.
The only places where I would imagine they would do that is the usa and uk, both aren’t in the eu so all good
@@stiegelzeine2186can confirm
@@zeveroarerulesAnyone in the military has had to iron the clothes they're wearing.
False. Back in my day, we had gameboys that required 4 AA batteries. They were easily removable. Although we did loose the battery cover, we were smart enough to not eat them.
Damn I wish the US would do half of what the EU does
Waste time with meaningless laws? Not do anything for 50 years? Destroy all innovation? Make electricity prices 50x? The EU is awful
Apple got around it, so it was still a fail.
It's not true, many sites have picked up on this information, but in reality UE is asking for easier battery replacement, not interchangeable batteries.
Basically, if you can replace your battery yourself without going to a manufacturer with a repair kit, that's enough, so Apple Samsung and many others are already in line, and nothing will change for them.
* "readily removable without professional tools".
My guess is that "unglueing the back with a heat gun, trying not to crack it while fiddling with the adhesive" doesnt fall under that wording.
We're so much more civilized in the United States; here, our elected representatives would never dare encroach on a corporation's private right to screw over consumers.
After all, corporate rights are human rights 🙂
The corporations pay the elected representatives to ensure they can screw over consumers…
Corporate rights > Human rights
@@jumpierwolf Yeah, if I kill someone, I go to jail. If a corporation kills someone, they pay a small fine at most
@@InfernosReaper yeah, no real consequences. They can make billions doing illegal stuff then get fined millions as if that's supposed to do anything
Funny how I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
That's the one thing I gotta love about EU regulations, sometimes they just tell companies to fuck off.
i don't wanna say it but you know back in my age everything that have battery have freedom to remove it and replace along side with simcards and sdcards for extra data.
I really loved that period of being able to easily replace the faulty batteries yourself.
My old note 4 was arguably better than new phones. Removable battery, headphone jack, worked as a universal remote (I could literally mess with any TV in public like I'm in watch dogs). It even had 4k recording back then.
Same here, could've used it for much longer if I hadn't updated the software which kills the device
id still use mine if i could, but its network locked and a PITA to try to undo that. thanks USA. and the screen is trying to peel off... but it still functions. just did a wipe on it in case i decide to finally dispose of these old phones laying around.
I used my note 4 until 2019. It eventually started to do the phone equivalent of bsod and even the replacement batteries I bought were almost DOA. They had been sitting in the warehouse too long.
I really miss that sucker.😢
LG G3 gang wya
Y'all are getting way too excited. IMO it's very likely a device battery qualifies as "readily removable" if you can get a replacement battery, and the replacement process is well documented and non-destructive.
My old Nokia just push a button and slide the battery off the back of the phone and slide a charged one on, in Seconds. Loved that phone
It also did the same thing when falling off the table
@@MercSLRFan nvr had any problem with that
@@MercSLRFan true. These days, they just shatter
@@MercSLRFanHe will worry if he broke the floor in that scenario.
Why would removable batteries be more costly? I still remember when they were the standard years ago, when the phones with integrated batteries were introduced they were more expansive even with lower specs than a phone with a removable battery.
Huge W. Now i am now getting batteries instead of a new phone. Reduced e-waste, saved the environment.
E waste is still gonna be a thing people are gonna be throwing away their batteries in the trash can
@@briskymfs Well at least you don't need to throw away the phone. In fact it's not that much to deal to upgrade nowadays than what it used to. Look the specs are almost the same just with minor changes, upgrading costs for hundred dollars unlike replacing a battery for low price. You rather saving money than getting new features that you all don't use in fact not all new features are important on you unless if you are a big fan of it.
@@NathanYellowStarProductions I’m not a big fan of the removable battery this is gonna increase phone theft without the battery I won’t be able to track it
@@briskymfs That's just the caveat though but in fact if you know your phone's imei then you can blacklist it if it was stolen.
You always can check your imei by dialing *#06# also keep your IMEI private too.
I really don’t think it would increase manufacturing complexity, since phones from the early 2010’s and late 2000’s had replaceable batteries
Thank-God! I've been asking for this for 20 years.
20 years? Samsung s2 era still have removal battery more like 10 years
I’m not sure if it is still the case, but in the law was stated that water resistant devices are excluded from the new regulation…
I remember jumping inside swimming pool with Motorola G3 recording myself, which definitely has openable backside and water resistant too. 🤷♂️
I’ll only open and let the battery and body dry up before charging again. It works still fine.
😂😂Didn't anyone notice Linus at the end of the video.
"Destructive tendencies"😂
Imagine if you didn't need powebanks and you'd just turn off your phone and pop in a full battery. That would be hella cool
There are always advantages and disadvantages: a second charged battery quickly gives you a lot of additional running time for the device that matches the battery.
The power bank can charge anything that can be charged via USB.
There must be also compulsion to include a dedicated Memory card slot.
It's no going to increase complexity. They just need to change the tape under the batteries for the easy to remove one that already exists on some phone models
Good work, finally
Apple just gonna stop selling phones in Europe at this point 🤣
Apple would probably threaten to stop selling their phones in Europe but we all know damn well they will do anyway because of the financial losses of that action.
@@grizzlydinowho would they threaten exactly? They have absolutely no leverage that concerns Europe
Imagine having two batteries for your phone and putting one on the charger, and then if the one in your phone dies you can instantly be back to 100% after a swap. (In a modern phone)
For the longest time
they've been hurting the planet and their consumers for the sake of greed.
A removeable-battery smartphone
is honestly a completely different day-to-day experience, especially if you buy a second battery.
Also it means more phones will be made out of plastic, which I honestly prefer,
not just for the lighter weight, better grip, increased signal strength, improved repair-ability,
but for the price too.
I still use a Nokia 8048 windows phone that is made out of steel, with a plastic back. you are right it heavy for its size. but it strong as hell. it will take more punishment than the cheap plastic phones the make now.
@@jackwarner8181 Phone cases weren't really a thing back then though. Now basically everyone has a case.
Not really quit being dramatic. I prefer my phones not a piece of shit that disassembles itself if I drop it
@@zee-fr5kw yeah i don't care. move along.
the EU did not "arguably" force apple to switch shit... Apple literally invented USB C (as well as thunderbolt) with a group of others like Intel and was the first to make laptops with multiple usb c thunderbolt ports. So it was just a matter of time.
First off it was forced, apple would not of done it and was actually against
Also apple didnt invent there was a few apple engineers on the team... which basically means nothing other then apple has decent engineers
Honestly I'm happy about this removable battery should have always remained a thing.
Why so when you drop it the back flies off and you have to replace it if you spill water on it?
@@zee-fr5kwaverage apple customer who is so ignorant he can't go on Google for a single minute and see that Samsung fixed this problem 9 years ago
I'm so sad because the biggest problem with phones is the battery, it just becomes terrible in a few years, but my phone is still functioning decently.
Imma move to the EU soon wow
Electric is like 50x more expensive the government hates you and you can't make more then 40k
I'm glad I have the Fairphone 4 so I can already experience the joy of easily replacing my battery.
It's also an awful crappy phone
Removable batteries??
OHH FUCK YEAH
This is excellent news, I really miss removable batteries.
When smartphones first came out you are able to replace the battery. And I used to carry a second battery with me. That was fully charged and if I ever ran out of power. I would just swap the battery real quick.
And it always helped a lot if I was on a road trip or something and needed navigation.
It's the early 2000s again YES!
Removable batteries, USB-C, what's next? headphone jack? Never have I loved EU so much
Its nore difficult to manufacture something we had before?
To keep it water and dust proof, yes.
@@CustardCream22 They must add a 1 cent gasket, which they will charge $10 for.
@@dubious6718 Because there’s loads of space for that… 🙄
@@CustardCream22the s5 was also waterproof and dust proof so not really
@@winshows9834 “splash proof” there’s a difference.
Replaceable battery and 200-300 watt charging will be an imteresting combination with glass back. xD
Just do an ejector battery from the side like you do a SIM tray.
I like this idea, but something can go in the battery slot and block the battery if it's stuck. Having removable battery panel also allows us to clean the battery contacts easily. The battery will also need to be strong to prevent getting damaged by careless customers.
Isn't that something that LG used to do in some of their phones? I believe one of them was the G5
No. The battery going spicy pillow mode would get stuck in the compartment.
@@kornaros96😂
Phones are already way faster than the vast majority of people actually need. Cut costs by reusing previously released chipsets, and redirect those cost savings into battery swapping.
Phones are already trending bigger and bigger, and more expensive, so what’s a replaceable battery hurt and not improve?
It improves the possiblility for you to replace it if needed, and not be forced to get a new device
@@Jj82opAnd then companies would make the battery price almost the cost of a new phone so you could just get a new one. If you think you could just get a third party battery think again. Companies can just add a layer of protection so a device can only work with a specific battery. (If this law is actually going to be applied I expect Apple starting the trend I just mentioned)
@@thebestianisthere is no way the EU would allow that
@@thebestianis They already do a lot of that with othet stuff, that is the point of legislation. It's won't be just "make the battery removable lol", I'm sure they will have more rules in place
This is good in my eyes. Forcing apple to concede on their most disgustingly greedy features
Any bests that the Proprietary replacement battery will start costing more then the phone in about 2027?
Build the phone like a distro plate.
Use Screws. I love Screws. Screws tell you it's strong and reliable, and maintenance/disassembly is easy.
Wooooo yeah baby! That's what I've been waiting for
funny because just yesterday i changed the battery of my fathers iphone and fuck me was it a pain in the ass to get into this fucker and to remove the battery adhesive. the apple store actually wanted 250€ + 49€ for the battery, so i bought a battery for 12€ and did it myself, with an ifixit kit and a little help from youtube. cant what for usbc and easy to change batteries on all phones.
Looks like life will again be just like in the 1990s in the EU
Finally battery replacement will be normal like in old days.This law should be in action soon!!!
This does not mean you need a removeable cover; it also means the phone can stay the same body style but can be opened with tools that are easily found online or supplied to you via the phone maker
Now they need to force manufacturers to sell original screen replacements and I can daily drive a phone for 6+ years
This! Would be great if I could replace the screen on my S20+ without paying over $300 for an issue caused by an update.
It's going to make cell phonea a lot safer and lengthen their lifespan. However Governments also need to urgently clamp down on Google and Apple in particular - for deliberately forcing premature replacement of older but fully functional phones by disabling /breaking critical apps (or slowing them down) - so they won't work on older phones - to force upgrades.
We've all had numerous phones we've had to discard because the phone can not run the latest version of iOS or android - or older apps suddenly aren't able to function - even though the phone was in good condition. How this common practice has been allowed to continue this long - speaks volumes about the general incompetence of government technical oversight or rather the lack of it.
Consumers need to be protected! We shouldnt be forced to upgrade. Despite Apple and Google claiming new features wont work on these older phones this argument is largely false.
Most phones even those that are 8 or more years old are quite capable of playing YT videos or movies and sending and receiving email or browsing the web etc - that is if the operating system software didnt explicitly block phone models or require some non critical and often unnecessary 'new' hardware option or feature only available in new phones.
There needs to be far more transparency from these two companies so they cannot force premature redundancy and replacement. It literally is criminal.
YES! PLEASE!
Excellent news, for give a longer live for our devices
I find it funny that "waterproofness" is so important to everyone. I can count on my right hand fingers the people that actually dropped their phone in water. And seriously, who takes intentionally a shower with their phone with them? C'mon
It happens that people drop their phone in wet environments or have it out in heavy rainfall. But they can make phone water resistant even with easier removable batteries.
Waterproof phones is nothing i rely on, but it's nice to increase my chances of survival.
i know right. when i first heard about waterproof phones, i thought about having my phone in the shower. but that's like...weird.
It's not more complex for manufacturers its just for you
Replacable batteries were normal until Apple made them not normal. Opening a phone to change the bettery or the SIM was not only normal, it was expected.
You all got hoodwinked into thinking phones were sealed units only a professional could handle.
finally the old days back
it's so funny to me that some people are actually mad about this... talking about we are stepping backwards 10 years to old android phones... like how is easily removeable batteries a bad thing? As far as I understand it they can use screws it just has to be something a normal person is expected to be able to do
People are mad about this? lol why?
@@gorkskoal9315because some people don't want phones that disassemble themselves when they are dropped they also prefer phones that don't need to be replaced when they have water spilled on them
@@gorkskoal9315mostly apple fan boys that will definitely buy the phone but will still complain about it up until its release where they will call it revolutionary
This would make phone theft more common
Enjoying my fairphone's repairability
I think that the eu has done great work at making pro consumer laws, but i want to have a definition of easily replaceable, as the simple "pop off the back" system could compromize would-be waterproof phones, but apple should not require the activation of a battery just for the phone to give accurate readings, etc.
It's not completely true, pop off batteries don't compromise the waterproof level. There have been older phones with replacable batteries and good IPX level. They just have to change their engineer's objectives and they can make it work
Look, if you buy a water-resistant phone you kinda have to expect to pay someone for having the seal as good as new.
And I'm fine about paying an official store for doing it. What I'm not fine with is paying 100+ euros for a battery replacement. It's a cheap work, it's not fair to charge me that much
Samsung is still making water-resistant phones (IP68) with removable batteries.
It's the Samsung Galaxy Xcover series.
"Compromising the water-resistance of phones" is just a marketing trick to make the consumers agree with manufacturer's method of planned obsolescence.
@@vask3863if the back falls off in water the phone dies
I used to have the 10,000 mah zero lemon battery when I used to have the samsung galaxy note 4. I miss being able to have a removable battery and swap it for the highest capacity available. It was literally a brick but the phones battery would last me all day, the way I use my phone, the 10,000 mah lasted me the whole day not even 2 or 3 days. I have the display brightness maxed out 100% 24/7 on manual, autobrightness turned off, dark mode turned off, power savings turned off etc. and other settings that drains the battery. I still use the same settings even to this day. I use my phone like my gaming laptop or any laptop when I drain the battery and use it heavily and I only get 2 hours of battery on my gaming laptop or any laptop before it says low battery.
I want mine to run on double A's. 🤣
Too fat. Triple A' is the future.
@@agoogleuser2619Too fat, quintuple A batteries are the future
@@grizzlydino genuine question, do they actually exist? I can't find any on Amazon.
I don't praise the EU often but this is a huge deal, thank you
That's just the 1st step. We need standardized form-factors, so that we can swap batteries of different devices, without having to desperately search for a specific model.
This was possible with old Samsung Galaxies: S4, J3 Mission, J2 Prime, and perhaps S5, all had the exact same battery
So many chinese gadgets share the same battery pack as the good old Nokia 3310...
Maybe. It couldn't be standardized across every company, just individually, but even then as someone who doesn't make phones I can't pretend to know what affect that may have on the overall form factor of a given phone if all phones are required to use the same interchangeable battery. That and the power draw of phones are all different.
It's like being required to stick 6 AA batteries into a 360 controller simply because the Sega Game Gear needed that amount despite the controller only really needing 2-- or visa versa.
Not the best analogy, but you get my point.
@@lethauntic Many battery packs these days are already the same, just with a different ribbon cable, slightly different form factor or even just a different part number.
Standarizing them would just mean that is easier for us to fix our devices.
@@lethauntic Exactly. I guess that's why batteries with different voltages have different shapes, to prevent consumers from accidentally undervolting/overvolting a device.
The last paragraph I wrote, wasn't a good comparison either. I didn't meant that voltages should be standardized, although that could be nice in some special cases
@@zee-fr5kw I agree. However, innovation is still possible, by proposing alternative standards. Of course, that's much slower
Mobile Manufacturers: "Shit we're gonna loose money now"😂
No point in getting a new battery when the phone loses software support.
Dude phones don't just stop working when software support ends. You can still use them as a backup phone or a work phone .
@@agoogleuser2619 Sure, till you hit a showstopping bug or get owned.
@@Mr.Morden if there is a bug in a app which makes it useless, other apps exist. If there is a bug in the system, Android devices have tons of workarounds while iPhone users have the opportunity to learn jailbreaking.
Just install a custom ROM. Why would you even want to use a stock OS, on most Android phones (especially Chinese ones) it works like garbage and is bloated af
this law also includes forcing manufacturers to extend software updates for several more years for this exact reason.
Never in the last 25 years I had to replace a phone because of a dead battery.
Well not all of us upgrade every year, my s21 ultra is only 3 years old and is due for a replacement.
@@Steph.98114 You don't have to replace it once a year to have a healthy battery the whole time. A bigger battery means fewer use/recharge - cycles. And avoiding extreme heat (dashboard in summertime :-) gives your phone an extra year of lifetime...
Shoutout to the EU once again.
It's GOOD news; it's about time that somebody taught APPLE 🍎🍏 a LESSON.
3.5mm headphone jacks should be next.
I once thought this way too. But even with my Pixel 5a that did have a 3.5mm, I never used it. BT or USB is all you need.
@@Sassquatch0 BT is much more expensive and if you lose one earbud you might as well have lost both.
USB forces you to either charge or listen to music, not both.
You might not need this, but others do. I listen to music daily while charging my S7.
@@skaleee1207 A $3 dongle lets you charge & use the USB port simultaneously. I bought multiples types of adapters last year, in the off chance I need them, and have only used 1 of them in that time.
And I can get BT earbuds just as cheap as weird ones. I can even get quality USB-C earbuds if I want wired. (AND I can still charge with that adapter.)
@@skaleee1207 just don’t lose the earbuds and modern headphones usually support features like find my on AirPods where you can track them, with AirPods Pro 2 you will even find them inside your home because it has a U1 chip wich makes it possible to see the exact distance from your phone to the AirPods
@@Sassquatch0 IT might not be an issue in the EU or NA, but the rest of the world is not so rich to afford Airpods or similarly good bluetooth earbuds. I am not disagreeing with you, its just that a good pair of wired buds cost 3-4x less than wireless ones.
And coming to the point of USBs, yes USB Type-C might be the only connector one needs, then again USB-As still exist in the consumer electronics ecosystem and is way less expensive. So , yeah, not disagreeing with you on the usability aspect but respectfully disagreeing on the Cost aspect.
Glad to see the future of getaway scenes in movies by removing the battery and breaking the phone still prevail.
Im glad i live here
It's funny because that's how it use to be. Replacement of a battery was super easy and the consumer could do it themselves. I'm happy to hear this
This is hard 😥
how would manufacturers retain the water resistance with a back that opens ?? 🤔
In addition, the building material of the back would return to being plastic, I haven't seen a glass removable back in my life
Galaxy S5, the most water proof phone made when released
10 years ago.... this is the life.... it's dies....pop the back and back to 100 with your 3rd party battery that are "compatible" with your phone
Now they need to mandate verified boot with custom roms. Basically enable unlocking and relocking the bootloader like on pixels.
My phone already has a replaceable battery. The only down side is that it makes it less waterproof.
I would rather have a waterproof phone than a removable batteries phone.
good news! You can have both
@@sp23hagbard5 I just found out in comment: it's possible to have waterproof and removable batteries.............
Fairphone Already did that, and its easy to repair
I like how you start the video with “SOON” and then end it with ‘so you probably won’t be opening the back of your phone for a few more years.’
Phones from 2000's
there should be a few things to add on top of just implementing removable batteries on phone:
- a small portion of the total battery should NOT be removable by conventional means. that would allow the phone to keep working while getting its main battery replaced.
- adhesive is favoured by so many companies not just because it is anti-repair, but also a foolproof and cheap way to give water resistance. new phones need a waterproof design without adhesive, and that might unfortunately lead to using precious internal space for waterproof gaskets, seals, protective layers and other structures.
- please don't put plastic caps over those ports for water-/dustproof. those flappy things are ugly nightmares.
Bull shit. Phones with replacable batteries have been around before phones without them. And those phones that had them in the past have been way cheaper to buy then phones today without that feature.
I'm glad Apple went from Lightning to USB-C because it made better business sense than they care to admit, but even though I've got the same opinion about non-removable batteries vs removable ones, I still don't think government should be able to strong-arm anyone over ease-of-use issues like these. If a company wants to drive away their own customers and run themselves out of business, then great, let them make way for startups who still care about quality.
This is, at its core, not about ease of use.
Fundamentally, this regulation is about production, labeling and recycling of all kinds of batteries, from earbuds to EVs. i
It's an environmental thing.
The part everyone gets hung up on is "just" a specification about new requirements for appliances with batteries, such as phones. While important and user-friendly, "removable batteries in phones" isn't the main objective here.
@@That0neJawn That's a quaint assumption you've made, I'm sure, but I never gave anyone any reason ever to believe that I thought the issue's fundamentally over ease-of-use. All I'm obviously saying is that government should leave ease-of-use out of it. Thanks anyway.
that intro made him sound like a higher pitched Ray William Johnson
"Destructive tendencies" (shows Linus opening his iPhone)
Pretty sure the latest galaxy xcover has ip68 water proof capabilities with an easily removed back snd battery
well technically they are still replacable but you need a tool to open it up
I have a feeling Apple will remove the lightning port on the iPhone rather than replace it with USB-C. Now we need a Wireless standard everyone has to follow.
Like Qi?
EU I FUCKING AGREE WITH YOU PLEASE DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!