Create a Free Website with Odoo at www.odoo.com/r/XJIG Editorial note: For now, UTM HV only works on these Apple devices: iPhone 14 Pro or Pro Max with iOS 16.0-16.3.1 Any M1 or M2 iPad with iPadOS 14.5-16.3.1
this is yet another nail in the coffin that apples separation of mac and ipad does not make sense for the end user. you cant even properly multitask on an ipad.
@@MrChanw11so do I, and you really can't. I know there's app switching, screen splitting, even awkward windowing, but it's nothing approaching proper multitasking.
@@MrChanw11 stage manager is a horrible implementation of multitasking. I have an iPad Pro with an M2, I barely use it because, the iOS is just so dumb down. There’s so much potential being wasted. I would’ve sold it by now, but my daughter likes to play me in Roblox on it from time to time.
Apple: Hey, it's an open market -- May the best app win. Apple seeing the option to run windows on their hardware: Keeps yet another app out of the app store.
@@mai-deum3731 That’s not necessarily bootlicking. It’s entirely possible. There are many people that want Apple to just allow macOS on the iPad, anyway.
@@idtyu But _man,_ it took far too long. Plus, Apple was making a big deal about not wanting to just resize the iPhone calculator, instead making an app that utilizes all the space well. What did they end up doing? They made a bigger iPhone calculator.
@@idtyu But can it do RPN? I have ~5 HP12C/HP15C physical calculators peppered around me (car, office, home, workshop, etc.) I also have HP42/HP48 emulators on ALL of my devices (Android, Linux, Windoze, Mac). After using these for so long, I can't use a regular calculator.
@Tr4ns1st0r for a noob looks like that.. but for those who actually use it know that, the Math Notes are a calculator part.. it's not just basic/siencific calculator options there, you can now choose the 3rd type the Math Notes.. and that is the first calculator app what can do that, this is what Apple waited, they didn't want to be the 287th of the same calculator, now they are the 1st calculator what actually do programming (because the Math Notes just simply programing, with handwriting)
You are missing one small element: Apple removed Hypervisor support from iPadOS at some point in version 16. So even if you can jailbreak your iPad, which you can up to iPadOS 17.0 but not later, you can run it with hypervisor only with an M1 with iPadOS 15 or early 16. That's what I do. I have a 16GB RAM M1 iPad on iPadOS 15.3 which runs Windows 11 as fast as my Mac Mini via Parallels. But as soon as I update it's gone. So no Apple Intelligence or even Stage Manager...
Except they talked about compilation, then jitting intermediate code, then talked about dolphin (powerPC -> arm) when this application is jitting x86 -> arm. There was nothing wrong with the explanation, but they explained stuff that is only partially relevant in this specific case
@@katrinabryce Parallels isn't what they asked for, parallels is a virtual machine, not running natively, my friend has an i9 mac with windows 10 where she can play any game she wants with full performance, that's not possible with parallels for what I know
@@ciach0_ parallels cuts your power in half. I'll give you example Rocket league that I play regularly, on my mac mini m2 pro on parallels I only get around 60 to 80fps, even after setting the ram and CPU threads higher in parallel but on heroic or crossover I get consistent 144fps ( my monitor limit ) . parallels is not worth it, its paid product with not enough benefits.
"WHERE THE GAMES DIDN'T REQUIRE A TON OF HARDWARE RESOURCES..." Clearly you haven't been juggling config.sys; mouse driver, network driver, soundblaster driver, himem.sys with all its attributes, to make everything fit in 1 MB RAM, *and* run on separate DMA and IRQ, and still be able to launch Doom.
I wonder if Apple doesn't want native Windows on their devices or if Microsoft quit caring. There are already desktop builds of Windows that boot on ARM CPUs (no virtualization) natively and can run regular Windows software instead of being limited to Windows Store.
Microsoft say that you will be able to officially download an Windows 11 ARM ISO from their website soon. Obviously you will need to buy [or otherwise obtain] a Windows Licence to run it.
@@chidorirasenganz Games and compatibility with certain programs that don’t work through WINE. I know you don’t buy a Mac for gaming but it would be nice to have the option.
I replaced my 11" A14 iPad Air with a 13" M2 iPad Air. The only reason I upgraded was for the bigger screen size. While I'm sure the new one runs Geekbench faster, in real-life use, I really don't notice the difference.
Upgraded from iPad Pro A12Z (released 1 year before M1) to iPad Pro M4. The biggest noticeable difference is the screen. Everything else? Meh depends on what apps I use. Stick with your iPad Pro. If you upgrade, do it when your current one isn’t supported anymore with updates and/or if the hardware gives up.
They don't wanna lose that fat parallels dough! In parallels defense it works incredibly well and seamlessly switches between any apps no matter in which VM or main os they run.
This is cool, but I'd still never get an iPad. Jailbreaking is a huge PITA compared to installing a custom ROM on an android device , and even if I manage to get s jailbreak (which probably requires me to connect it to a computer every time I reboot) then I basically have to say no to (security) updates. Not worth the trouble.
The connecting to a computer everytime you reboot, or every 7 days? is for side-loading, not jailbreaking. It is intended for developers to test their software before releasing it on the App Store.
> wants to utilise their hardware to its full potential > installs bloatwarr windows I mean come on, Linux is right there. it even has better native ARM support than Windows.
ok i am being stalked by riley. I've literally been spending the last couple days trying to do this on my ipad right now and am literally 39% through installing windows lol. It's really painful to do icl, and im doing it on UTM SE lol.
apple has always supported their products for 5-7, androids only recently give 4 years for most mainstream brands and now 7 years for the latest devices from the biggest brands, took them 10+ years but sure apple is ewaste
@@Hhhh22222-wAndroid devices have custom roms? And you can always upgrade individual parts of windows pc? It's more than software support provided by the "company" here.
Compilation is not just compiling from human-readable source code to a binary. Apparently you can compile anything into anything else. Compiling a binary for a platform into a binary for a different platform counts as "compilation". I was surprised when I was explained that, but there you go...
It just seems like running some sort of Linux OS would be better since many distros have ARM compiled versions and since most Linux software is open source, you can just compile for ARM where an ARM version isn't pre-compiled. If you're not using it for gaming, why even bother with Windows? But then again, if you really wanted to tinker with your hardware and do what you want with it, you wouldn't be buying into Apple's walled garden to begin with.
I can't understand why Apple wants to keep the iPad as a showpiece. It doesn't matter, because there are powerful ARM tablets able to run Linux and some truly powerful applications...
Well yeah, Apple's whole thing is making expensive computers used mostly by people to browse facebook and take selfies. Sort of like how truck companies are doing the same and we're seeing a complete divide in quality between fleet vehicles and stuff at dealerships.
This video is missing a whole bunch of information. For example, last I checked, you can’t run UTMHV on. iOS/iPadOS 17.0.1+. Which means you’d have to have a device that hasn’t been updated in over a year, because of course Apple won’t let you roll back.
OK but how about running windows on android? I've seen some stuff that android officially supports virtualization recently but info about it is sparse and mixed with android studio emulation of mobile for windows.
Make a video about Winlator for android, which is far more powerful, and you can actually RUN AAA games with any good processor like the GTA V or God of War. even with my old 778G, I can play Most wanted 2012 and NFS rivals without any issues....
In order to get hypervisor, you need ipadOS15 jailbroken. iPadOS 16 disabled HV, so we had JIT iPadOS 17 killed JIT so now we have nothing. Thank you Apple.
Create a Free Website with Odoo at www.odoo.com/r/XJIG
Editorial note: For now, UTM HV only works on these Apple devices:
iPhone 14 Pro or Pro Max with iOS 16.0-16.3.1
Any M1 or M2 iPad with iPadOS 14.5-16.3.1
No
im not giving you my money, I just want to watch a video
so you're telling me... i can buy an iphone, run windows, then run bluestacks, to have an android iphone ?
hell yeah
**internally screaming at the performance overhead**
xD damn right
And then run a DOSBox variant on Bluestacks so you can run MS-DOS on your Android iPhone...
That would be so absolutely inefficient and suck so much...
That it would be rad as hell
In process of spoofing Pokémon Go x it verks!
this is yet another nail in the coffin that apples separation of mac and ipad does not make sense for the end user. you cant even properly multitask on an ipad.
You can though?? I have an iPad
@@MrChanw11so do I, and you really can't. I know there's app switching, screen splitting, even awkward windowing, but it's nothing approaching proper multitasking.
@@DanKaschelit’s still multitasking bud, you just don’t like the limited functionality Apple gives you.
@@MWM1293hence the ” not properly multitask ” because the limitations implemented that impact useful functions.
@@MrChanw11 stage manager is a horrible implementation of multitasking. I have an iPad Pro with an M2, I barely use it because, the iOS is just so dumb down. There’s so much potential being wasted. I would’ve sold it by now, but my daughter likes to play me in Roblox on it from time to time.
2:11 skip ad
Odoo is trash, setup is a nightmare
thank you, kind sir.
How about auto ad skip
Apple: Hey, it's an open market -- May the best app win.
Apple seeing the option to run windows on their hardware: Keeps yet another app out of the app store.
They are more afraid of people running MacOS on iPad Pro with native UTM..
@@emiel333 as if quit bootlicking them
@@mai-deum3731 That’s not necessarily bootlicking. It’s entirely possible. There are many people that want Apple to just allow macOS on the iPad, anyway.
"calculators alone" shot Apple right at the foot from the get go 😂
But there's calculator app in ipad now
@@idtyu But _man,_ it took far too long. Plus, Apple was making a big deal about not wanting to just resize the iPhone calculator, instead making an app that utilizes all the space well. What did they end up doing? They made a bigger iPhone calculator.
😂
@@idtyu But can it do RPN? I have ~5 HP12C/HP15C physical calculators peppered around me (car, office, home, workshop, etc.) I also have HP42/HP48 emulators on ALL of my devices (Android, Linux, Windoze, Mac). After using these for so long, I can't use a regular calculator.
@Tr4ns1st0r for a noob looks like that.. but for those who actually use it know that, the Math Notes are a calculator part.. it's not just basic/siencific calculator options there, you can now choose the 3rd type the Math Notes.. and that is the first calculator app what can do that, this is what Apple waited, they didn't want to be the 287th of the same calculator, now they are the 1st calculator what actually do programming (because the Math Notes just simply programing, with handwriting)
You are missing one small element: Apple removed Hypervisor support from iPadOS at some point in version 16. So even if you can jailbreak your iPad, which you can up to iPadOS 17.0 but not later, you can run it with hypervisor only with an M1 with iPadOS 15 or early 16. That's what I do. I have a 16GB RAM M1 iPad on iPadOS 15.3 which runs Windows 11 as fast as my Mac Mini via Parallels. But as soon as I update it's gone. So no Apple Intelligence or even Stage Manager...
I regret updating my ipad M1 to 16 sooo much
That’s a bummer they have removed Hypervisor. So iPadOS 16 and newer can’t emulate properly anymore?
@@emiel333 Only UTM HV uses the hypervisor, which actually isn't emulating, it's a virtual machine.
No Apple Intelligence: that sounds more like a feature!
Why would I need to pirate Windows 11? They keep trying to force me to take it for free!!!
that sucks, if microsoft ever forcefully takes out my windows 7 and puts windows 11 on my pc ima crash out
@@fleetaris_lounge good news is there's probably no way that pc is "windows 11 compatible"
😂 you goat ❤
@@fleetaris_lounge Still running Win7 on a bunch of systems here and at the office. Stable, fast, and no forced updates. It's wonderful.
its available for free on official microsoft website so not its not even pirating
Amazingly delved into the concept of JIT! Glad to see LTT guys taking a peak behind the “consumer tech”curtain.
I pronounce it as "git".
@@monev lmfao, you made my day
Except they talked about compilation, then jitting intermediate code, then talked about dolphin (powerPC -> arm) when this application is jitting x86 -> arm.
There was nothing wrong with the explanation, but they explained stuff that is only partially relevant in this specific case
You also need to keep in mind the version of iOS you're using with UTM-HV, it has to be iOS 16.4 or less on M1 or iPhone 14 Pro
It's also possible on Android with Winlator and it performs better
You can't run windows on winlator. It's using wine to make windows app work on Linux, which is what android is based on.
I remember being able to natively install android onto the og iphone and dualboot it with ios. it did not run well whatsoever 😅
I'm not surprised they mentioned Windows on iPhone before mentioning Windows on Androud even tho the Android way is far better
@CallMeRabbitzUSVI you'd be surprised on how well Windows runs on UTM hypervisor on ipados. Much better than emulation on Android
Such a shame you need to jailbreak just for that that’s so stupid
Blame apple
ITS ON THE APPSTORE
@@zegs32 someone didn't watch the video
@@zegs32 Only the SE version that lacks JIT so it’s super slow and hardly usable for much.
@@camwha5904 sideloading the app doesn't require jailbreaking
Hold on a darn second , does this mean we are close to running Windows 10 natively on a Mac Again ?
If it is an actual Mac rather than an iPad, you can do that with Parallels, or I believe with the MacOS build of UTM.
@@katrinabryce Parallels isn't what they asked for, parallels is a virtual machine, not running natively, my friend has an i9 mac with windows 10 where she can play any game she wants with full performance, that's not possible with parallels for what I know
@@Hontman you can install the ARM version of windows and it'll run at full speed
@@ciach0_ Not really. There’s still a performance loss from running 2 operating systems simultaneously.
@@ciach0_ parallels cuts your power in half.
I'll give you example
Rocket league that I play regularly, on my mac mini m2 pro
on parallels I only get around 60 to 80fps, even after setting the ram and CPU threads higher in parallel
but on heroic or crossover I get consistent 144fps ( my monitor limit ) . parallels is not worth it, its paid product with not enough benefits.
This reminds me of 20+ years ago when a mac could run winXP or win2000 (can't remember which one) better than a PC built to run Windows software
JIT needs to be endorsed by Apple without any jailbreaking.
Only safari is allowed JIT, otherwise they consider a security risk
The M4 iPad Pro is the best Windows laptop, confirmed
Edit: crazy how this was the most liked comment on this video for a few hours
Nope
The hypervisor only works on the M1 iPad Pro, on a specific jailbroken build of iPadOS 17
On my M4 iPad Pro, without JIT, Puppy Linux (one of the world's lightest OSs) lags so much that it's unusable for even a text editor lmao
@@theJesai if windows or any linux distro can run natively it won't lag
@@theJesailmao
"WHERE THE GAMES DIDN'T REQUIRE A TON OF HARDWARE RESOURCES..."
Clearly you haven't been juggling config.sys; mouse driver, network driver, soundblaster driver, himem.sys with all its attributes, to make everything fit in 1 MB RAM, *and* run on separate DMA and IRQ, and still be able to launch Doom.
RIP Windows Phone. You were sure a phone operating system platform.
I remember installing desktop Windows 10 on a Lumia back in 2019
@4:46 Video shows "piracy" as paying with a $100 USD bill for Windows 11 Home lol
Lol it's amazing
If the Windows UI is a mess to navigate on the Steam Deck, I can't imagine why any sane person would want to run it on their phone.
For shiggles
Asahi Linux was made especially for M series macs and is now able to run AAA games with it's vulkan support.
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Stubborn Apple refusing to let pro users use MacOS in iPad. It's destryoing them slowly
I wonder if Apple doesn't want native Windows on their devices or if Microsoft quit caring. There are already desktop builds of Windows that boot on ARM CPUs (no virtualization) natively and can run regular Windows software instead of being limited to Windows Store.
Microsoft say that you will be able to officially download an Windows 11 ARM ISO from their website soon. Obviously you will need to buy [or otherwise obtain] a Windows Licence to run it.
@katrinabryce You've never needed to buy a key to run windows.
@@aminulhussain2277windows on arm was technically illegal outside of snapdragon socs until recently
Also Apple has said the ball is in Microsofts court in terms of windows on Mac. Though I don’t know why you would
@@chidorirasenganz Games and compatibility with certain programs that don’t work through WINE. I know you don’t buy a Mac for gaming but it would be nice to have the option.
I want to run Windows on my Xbox
Windows 10 on a Xbox Series X, you basically just turned your Xbox into a budget gaming PC.
On my Sega Dreamcast.
your xbox already runs a modified version of windows 10
you'd like bringus studios' videos then!
This is the most INTERESTING topic I’ve seen you guys cover, thanks Riley and LTT team!
_Running Windows…On Your iPhone?_ OR _THE 101 on how to make your iPhone even worse_
Sweet. Sort of turning apples into oranges. Yeah humans like to be creative. If it helps productivity who knows. Good effort.
Need a separate video on jailbreaking in 2024
Lawful evil version: jit is pronounced git.
I got an iPad pro, 2 months before the m1 was announced. I regret not waiting more and more every day :D
Be happy with what you got I did as well and ipad still performing perfectly.
@alicebonnet4607 it's mostly a joke, I'm just jealous
I replaced my 11" A14 iPad Air with a 13" M2 iPad Air. The only reason I upgraded was for the bigger screen size. While I'm sure the new one runs Geekbench faster, in real-life use, I really don't notice the difference.
Upgraded from iPad Pro A12Z (released 1 year before M1) to iPad Pro M4. The biggest noticeable difference is the screen. Everything else? Meh depends on what apps I use. Stick with your iPad Pro. If you upgrade, do it when your current one isn’t supported anymore with updates and/or if the hardware gives up.
It is insane that you can use windows on the iPad earlier than Mac OS
I recently installed UTM on my M3 Pro Macbook pro to run a Ubuntu VM. It's really smooth. It's smoother than KVM on my other Linux laptop
They don't wanna lose that fat parallels dough! In parallels defense it works incredibly well and seamlessly switches between any apps no matter in which VM or main os they run.
2:46 Nah, *_Jit trippin_*
how are you the only other Floridian in these comments 😹
Do an episode on full self driving
Finally, an iDevice can be productive
This is cool, but I'd still never get an iPad. Jailbreaking is a huge PITA compared to installing a custom ROM on an android device , and even if I manage to get s jailbreak (which probably requires me to connect it to a computer every time I reboot) then I basically have to say no to (security) updates. Not worth the trouble.
The connecting to a computer everytime you reboot, or every 7 days? is for side-loading, not jailbreaking. It is intended for developers to test their software before releasing it on the App Store.
God damn dude, the hair is so majestic!
Macbooks can still run Linux natively with heavy limitations
This works so much better on android though and it even supports full GPU acceleration, unlike the iPhone version.
> wants to utilise their hardware to its full potential
> installs bloatwarr windows
I mean come on, Linux is right there. it even has better native ARM support than Windows.
Sure !
ok i am being stalked by riley. I've literally been spending the last couple days trying to do this on my ipad right now and am literally 39% through installing windows lol. It's really painful to do icl, and im doing it on UTM SE lol.
Sounds useful, it’ll be gone next week
Thanks for the Dolphin call out, but I'd guess most folks would be better off just running the MacOS version of the emulator.
I remember sideloading UTM on my iPhone 7
Unfortunately, it doesn't support any current versions of iOS. It only supports up to iOS 13 without Jailbreaking, and nothing past iOS 14.
Didn't need to watch this video! Running Windows on my iPhone is impossible, since I don't have one
Yes yes yes yes I’ve been unironically dreaming of this
This is the first thing ever to make me want an apple device.
I can run fallout new vegas on my fold 5 with winlator, what a time to be alive.
Now make a video on how to install UTM please
It's nice that we can now salvage some of apple's ewaste
apple has always supported their products for 5-7, androids only recently give 4 years for most mainstream brands and now 7 years for the latest devices from the biggest brands, took them 10+ years but sure apple is ewaste
@@Hhhh22222-wAndroid devices have custom roms? And you can always upgrade individual parts of windows pc? It's more than software support provided by the "company" here.
JIT, the failed manufacturing standard still working (barely) today
Compilation is not just compiling from human-readable source code to a binary. Apparently you can compile anything into anything else. Compiling a binary for a platform into a binary for a different platform counts as "compilation". I was surprised when I was explained that, but there you go...
It just seems like running some sort of Linux OS would be better since many distros have ARM compiled versions and since most Linux software is open source, you can just compile for ARM where an ARM version isn't pre-compiled. If you're not using it for gaming, why even bother with Windows?
But then again, if you really wanted to tinker with your hardware and do what you want with it, you wouldn't be buying into Apple's walled garden to begin with.
Minesweeper, and I'm sold...
I can't understand why Apple wants to keep the iPad as a showpiece.
It doesn't matter, because there are powerful ARM tablets able to run Linux and some truly powerful applications...
It isn’t a showpiece
Looks in drawer at his old Nokia Lumia. It acually wasn't bad it was just the lack of apps.
Well yeah, Apple's whole thing is making expensive computers used mostly by people to browse facebook and take selfies. Sort of like how truck companies are doing the same and we're seeing a complete divide in quality between fleet vehicles and stuff at dealerships.
Is it possible to get an ISO for 7 anymore? The ones I found seemed to have malware…
you fr sent me on a rabbit hole of downloading macos on a 12 year old thinkpad 😭
Wait…can I do something similar with Android device? Because that would be super useful.
So, why was this software not used with the new Snapdragon laptops? Am I the only one seeing this solution or am I missing something?
What is the problem and what's the solution you're talking about?
why would you want to emulate the entire os when you can just compile the entite os in arm?
isnt the snappy laptops running windows on arms natively?
4:40 what game is that
Alan Wake 2
Alan wake 2
This video is missing a whole bunch of information. For example, last I checked, you can’t run UTMHV on. iOS/iPadOS 17.0.1+. Which means you’d have to have a device that hasn’t been updated in over a year, because of course Apple won’t let you roll back.
I don't care about Binbows, tell me is there a way to install Mint on ipads?
But can you run Linux natively on iPhone/iPad?
if it has laptop chip but a tablet it can still run laptop os just like surface pro
Can this be done to run MacOS on the M4 iPad? 😇
Or, you know....just buy a Windows tablet
nah
I would like to buy an ipad for the m4 and the screen, but theres so many drawbacks to do it that i cant
I just want desktop chrome running chrome extensions like video speed controller on iPad and maybe steam
We have Windows on iPads before GTA6 🗣️
I use Winlator to game on Android
Is it safe and legit?
it should not be this complicated. we should have one single standard for everything
Can you run MacOS on UTM?
omfg, Windows on an iPad would fix all issues. Same with android on an iphone
What if I want to run Mac OS Sequoia on my iPad?
Did they video edit Linus’s voice into this guy? He sounds just like the Linus Tech Tips guy 😂
Thought you were going to talk about Winlator
UTM Slow Edition is unusably slow just running the ARM version of the Debian text-based installer, never mind Windows.
OK but how about running windows on android? I've seen some stuff that android officially supports virtualization recently but info about it is sparse and mixed with android studio emulation of mobile for windows.
I miss Windows Phones!!!
OMG ITS RILEY! YEEEAAAAHH!!!! hi riley!!!
qemu is everywhere
Yes qemu everywhere with virtmanager 😊
I ran windows on pixel 8😅
What game was that with the FBI agents?
There’s plenty of apps that push the iPad, just takes 5 minutes of research 😅
Make a video about Winlator for android, which is far more powerful, and you can actually RUN AAA games with any good processor like the GTA V or God of War.
even with my old 778G, I can play Most wanted 2012 and NFS rivals without any issues....
Wooow great video🔥👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻
Hey why not make a video on Winlator android windows emulator
I'm just having fun with Sequoia on a 2012 Macbook Pro. Windows has no credibility anymore.
In order to get hypervisor, you need ipadOS15 jailbroken.
iPadOS 16 disabled HV, so we had JIT
iPadOS 17 killed JIT so now we have nothing. Thank you Apple.
Can I use this on Android?
Its x86 emulation is really slow though
i might buy an iphone just for this
Did you miss the jailbreak/sideload prerequisite? Makes it a bit more complicated.
@@treyw9915 So? I've jailbroken the iPhone 4, 4s and the 5 before, back in 2014, but I can do it trust
Can i get utm hv in ios 18 or do i need trollstore
4:50 fin.