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Had connection issue all the time when i was using plex. Since i switched to jellyfin i just works. It might not be the best featurewise but it works without problems for me.
FFmpeg dev of Jellyfin nyanmisaka here! For the past two years I've mostly been busy polishing the hardware acceleration. As of Jellyfin 10.8, we have supported the complete transcoding pipeline include using AMD GPU. And use GPGPU filtering to accelerate video scaling, subtitle burning, tone mapping and other features. We are the first to support transcoding Dolby vision profie 5 to SDR. By the way I've been playing with the ARC A380 for a few months, so AV1 encoding is on the way. If you are familiar with developing with FFmpeg and would like to improve Jellyfin please let me know.❤
I think it’s a massive advantage that the Jellyfin developers are IN your comments section, and are fully engaged with what you’re saying. It’s one of the beautiful things about the open source, nature of the project. I’m sure Plex developers also have their opinions, but are bound by contract to let the PR team speak for them. Hopefully this stands as a good reason for Plex’s decision makers to get competitive again. A little bit of healthy competition is always good. As for me, I will probably be going with Jellyfin regardless, and finding a way to support the devs over there. Edit: grammarz
@@simona4693 I’m personally disinclined to agree with that take, but I *do* think it’s important to have someone play devils advocate. Good thinking, but I think it’s probably a mistake to assume that the developers luxury/personal time doesn’t include a little RUclips. Linus has also been talking a little about this on The WAN Show in recent weeks so I suspect that the devs were tuned into the fact that a video about their project was probably in the pipeline, and ready to demonstrate good-faith engagement with the community.
Plex would have to have every comment approved and would most likely come back to Linux directly given the sponsorships. I know my employer would not be happy with me commenting about their software. That said they may allow some people to make public comments on behalf of the company. Really depends how much jellyfin is hurting them. I can tell you I installed jellyfin and didn't regret it. Plex is a dinosaur in comparison. Plex our time together was good but my new lover is so much better.
Nah, Plex doesn't care at all. If they cared, it wouldn't be proprietary. Being in a community or in a corporate setting doesn't matter if you restrict user freedoms.
A very fair and balanced review, thank you for this Linus! There's one comment I want to make regarding money. We've always explicitly wanted to keep money out of the project because, exactly as you said, capitalism ruins everything and we don't want to "start the cycle" again. We forked because Emby jumped headfirst into that cycle, and I made a commitment - to myself, to our team, and to our users - to never become part of that bandwagon. Period. What that means is - we've already seen an uptick in donations. Which is nice, thank you everyone! But I want to reiterate that we only use the money donated to us for infrastructure costs, for which we currently have a huge runway (we could pay for our DigitalOcean VMs for like, 3-4 years at this point). What we need as a project more than anything is talented, experienced developers who are willing to contribute to the project. So if you, or someone you know, is good with C# (core server, plugins), React (main WebUI), Vue.js (alternate WebUI), Apple Swift (Swiftfin), Kotlin (Android), Brightscript (Roku), or Python (Kodi), a high-quality contribution makes a far bigger impact than any amount of money ever could! Contributions to our documentation are also a huge help, especially for some more niche (for us homelabbers/selfhosters) areas like a solid Windows setup guide. Happy watching!
What's wrong with capitalism if you don't compromise on the quality of the user experience? You could use donations/other revenue to pay devs and keep being faithful to the audience(at least let people finance specific features)
I know asking for stuff doesn’t help you find more talent but a Samsung TV app would be amazing! I could finally ditch Plex. But also, thank you thank you thank you so much for all the work you have done!! I love the app and prefer it over Plex any day! (Running it on a docker on my UNRaid server 😊)
Add infuse and I’m in. It’s what I use along side truenas scale at home. Also use kodi running on rpis on my kids tvs as I can set what content is allowed on them and with the cec function the tv remotes are used to control the os. I use infuse on my phones and Apple TVs. PS: I buy all the movies and shows that are in my nas from legitimate sources ie the discount bin at Wally World.
@@terrynations2243 Would just like to throw it out there that you can absolutely set up a division between kid and adult accounts on Jellyfin, I have a setup that I've found works great. When you set up the libraries you can attach multiple folders to content, so the folder set up for my instance is "kids", "shared", and "movies". "Kids" is stuff I don't want showing up in my lists, like Dragon Tales or Arthur; "shared" is stuff I don't mind seeing on my list, like Disney movies; "movies"/"shows" is stuff I don't want my nephew being able to watch unsupervised. Once the three folder divide is created, you create two libraries: "movies" and "family movies" where "movies" has access to the "shared" and "movies" folders, and "family movies" has access to "kids" and "shared". Kids accounts get access to the "family movies" library, the adult accounts get access to the "movies" library. They only see what's age-appropriate, we don't have to sift through their kid crap. I will admit that it takes a few minutes to set up and do the initial organization if you already have like 100+ movies/shows, but once you have the initial setup done and the libraries are in place, it's as easy as making sure the right boxes are checked on each account and that you don't accidentally drop Aliens into the shared folder.
I dont know doesn't seem like he tried that hard to find the source of the problem. Plex isn't bug free but some of the issues he described were user error and not understanding how it all works.
@@nsxxtreme non geeks and those dealing with non-geeks just want 'stuff that works without having to understand it' Heck, even us geeks have limited time to fix the stuff that should be working. So when Plex tells me it has downloaded things then it should work. No ifs or buts, no coconuts.
15:06 what he said about funding, I've seen some open source projects also do Patreons and Patreons-like funding. So a in-between solution is possible.
@@Akkbar21 . 1)Offline viewing. 2) Requirement for internet connection to use server on home network. Yes, there is a work around, but I should not need to.
Jellyfin continues to improve little by little, wearing down every little bullet point Plex used to call out as an advantage. Some of the biggest things are being able to transcode without paying, having a native Apple TV and iOS app, and all the little plugins for weird edge cases like eBook integrations.
The biggest advantage for Plex is honestly friction and by the way Jellyfin is designed, will always be harder to setup than plex. Even this video glosses over it but if you want to watch Jellyfin outside of your house. You either need A) to port forward, hopefully with a domain or reverse proxy. or B) A VPN wired into your home network. If you knew how to do either of those properly, you're golden. Plex has no such needs. Relay handles that for you, even if it is limited, it does just work. And that's what plex is good at it. It does just work (when it does work, that is. It's still a finicky beast.) Until Jellyfin actually reaches feature parity, i'm running both side by side with synced watchstates per profile. Because no one said you ever had to choose one or the other.
@@flyingtentacle7631 A good HTPC is a balance between getting as much power out of it (especially when used for gaming) as possible, but keeping it quiet enough to not be a bother during movies. Discussion of the various software available, remote control situations, keyboards, 3D mouse options, audio boards, speaker setups, etc. But by all means go plug your 1995 Dell into your CRT TV and go nuts.
FYI for the missing audio issue it might be the case your tv doesn't have the codec for that specific audio format, I've had this issue for weeks on windows too but it was caused by me using LTSC which doesn't come with a Dolby dll that's required for EAC3 and DDP5.1 to work.
It could be the container? Maybe the TV doesn't support that audio codec in whatever container the video is in, but when transcoding is enabled it just repackages it into a new container that it does support the same audio in?
As someone who manages home media servers and appreciates consumer choice I love this video. I've used Plex for the past few years now and probably won't migrate to jellyfin just yet, but I will be keeping an eye on it and testing it from time to time. I really appreciate that you showcased both the pros and the cons of both services
I tried Jellyfin briefly a few years ago and it absolutely was not there yet. I have a limited use case, 99% of the time using Plex on my LG OLED only, no transcoding, and my phone has plenty of storage so on the odd occasion I want a portable copy, that's fine. But I can totally understand how I'm using the absolute basic functionality only and hopefully there will come a time where Jellyfin can satisfy that. Intro Skipping is absolutely essential though, plus I don't want to have to side-load an app on my TV as that's a hassle. I do have a ShieldTV also mind you, but I only use that for movies with DTS audio as its more prone to video stuttering for some reason.
@@alexatkin yup. Hopefully this video encourages some of the loyal Jellyfin contributors to push the development of proper 1st party apps for more devices. For me, considering that my family uses our main media server quite regularly on their TV and I use it on my phone and PC, having a consistent and functional user experience is essential. The annoying issues I have with Plex don't quite justify the switch yet because I'd be trading issues for other more different issues. Hopefully both Plex and Jellyfin are able to progress further and both improve as a result of the competition.
not advertising a product even when you are using it because it is not good *enough* to actually recommend is a great thing! sometimes (actually way too often) we are forced to pick the least broken option, but our conscience just won't let us say "it's good, you should pay for it too!"
I recently built a NAS, and went with Jellyfin to serve media off it because I prefer an open source solution with no online accounts. I've been impressed by it so far - there's even a native app for my LG smart TV. Very grateful to the devs for all the work they put into it!
"there's even a native app for my LG smart TV" And what can be added to your comment is, that this app was released Q3/Q4 of 2022, so the whole Jellyfin ecosystem is in pretty active development.
I'm definitely team Plex here (I have a Lifetime Pass myself, and it meets all my needs), but I'm also really glad Jellyfin exists, works, and is getting attention. It gives Plex something to compete against, and gives me a second option if Plex gets bad. Both of them are better than streaming from Netflix/Hulu/whatever, and setting up a server can be really cheap, depending on how much storage you need.
@@AutumnRivers Honestly, for just one or two people watching, an old Optiplex 7010 will handle 4K video just fine and can usually be had for $70-90 on eBay. Just make sure you get the tower version and not the slimmer models.
let's be real here mate. Both of these solutions are better than Netflix, etc. IF you are a pirate. No way buying Bluray's at like 25$ a pop is better than 10$ a month for a giant catalog of media.
I have been using Jellyfin for a number of years now, since it forked from Emby, it is by no means perfect but has steadily improved throughout the updates to be a genuinely competent competitor to Plex. I am so thankful for the project and it’s amazing devs. Great to see it is finally getting the praise and coverage it deserves.
I paid for the Plex lifetime license and ended up switching to Jellyfin after a few months of dealing w/ the Plex issues. A big factor for me was the plugin library that PLEX USED TO HAVE too, but that allow me to expand into supporting things like SSO (OIDC & LDAP) and more!
I think a transcode profile editor is lacking, sometimes old shows get offered at rediculous bitrates and i cant change/create in between profiles without source code hacks.
Love to see the Jellyfin coverage. There *are* more than just the two images (LSIO and official) for Docker that do add some more transcoding functionality, particularly on AMD hardware. I'm happy to see a fair blow-by-blow comparison between the two media server platforms.
I bet those two are somewhat up-to-date with the actual version. Usually it's a bit of a gamble when other images get updated ... it's both a blessing (you get stuff that isn't standard yet) and a curse (you may have to wait longer for fixes and new features of the original) for open source software.
@@NotTheStinkyCheese Fair. I've used both the Binhex and ich777 images in the past and, while they are both more Unraid-adjacent than anything, they'll still work just fine in any other Docker environment. I've been moved over to the Jellyfin official image for a while, but I wanted to point out to some others that there are options aplenty.
He only covers it to put some pressure on plex, so they fix what he hates. Same like he does with Nvidia and AMD, he will never switch. Just some crying so he gets what he wants
Totally agree, it feels like plex has abandoned its roots as a private media server and put all its efforts into paid/advertisement driven avenues. I feel like a lot of the feature requests that have been there for years have been ignored to push in the less self managed direction which is frustrating. PLEX: you used to be by the people, for the people... lets move back in that direction eh?
I love that Jellyfin is becoming a serious competitor to Plex. It's make or break time for Plex imo. I wish you would have mentioned Plexamp though, as I believe it is the best thing to ever come out of Plex, and is worth a lifetime pass for anyone who self hosts their music library.
I second this. Been using Plex for more than 10 years, but it's getting clear that their monetization initiatives are getting in the way of them actually fixing glaring problems. If anyone has recently tried setting up a new Plex account (with access to a shared library) you would be shocked by all the crappy forced D-list Plex content you have taking up your screen. The Shared content you actually want to watch gets buried under 6 feet of Sh*t.
I've been using Emby as my Media Center Server for about a year. It's working very good except for a couple of quirks with the subtitles (sometimes they take a while to appear) but apart from that I have no major complaints. It's running perfectly on my Intel 9900K with 16 GB of RAM. I have it on an Unraid server with other docker containers running I haven't seen any delays transcoding videos while listening to music.
No problem with the subtitles. But yeah, Emby is great. It works a lot better on my intel9100 than Plex did, I couldn't really get it to work well (even with the paid hardware acceleration)
For me, I also notice subtitles get out of sync when resuming content occasionally. The workaround is reopening, and starting it from the beginning, then skipping to the previous time
I'm running emby server off of an old 2nd gen i7 laptop with 16gb ram which i'm using as a Proxmox host and it worked extremely well. I was surprised given that the machine is only a 2ghz quad core with HT. I haven't explored all of the transcoding options but it worked with zero fuss with the Roku TV app.
Yea it'd be great if we got one more video in this series looking at Emby. Even though Jellyfin is based on Emby, they are worlds apart in their current iterations.
I moved to emby from kodi. Kodi was nice but I had so many issues over the years that I got fed up. I tried emby and Jellyfin and emby won it because it had some features that Jellyfin didn't. Bought emby Premiere and haven't looked back.
My biggest gripe with Plex has been the audio issues with transcoding. I have to run my media through a ffmpeg script to increase the volume just to compensate for it, because a lot of stuff (especially stuff with surround sound channels) just becomes way too quiet for me.
i have the same issue on my apple tv when using the tvOS plex app. When using Infuse as a client for my plex content, the audio is fine though. Unfortunately this has been an issue for months now and the plex team probably doesnt care anymore. Tried jellyfin with infuse. But unfortunately, the jellyfin server is way too slow compared to plex.
@@AmirKhan-qx2lr I use a .bat file to run the script, it's basically just iterating over files with an FFMPEG command. You will need to have FFMPEG set up on your system to use it. I want to explain what it does exactly, as it might not fit everyone's needs: It will only take .mp4 and .mkv in the same folder and create copies in a new folder. The copies will not have any surround sound channels, it will be converted to stereo (I watch most things with headphones, so I do not care much about surround myself). It will also have the volume boosted, although I am not sure if it actually boosts it by much. But it's usually enough for me either way. And, it will remove the title field from the metadata if present, as it tends to override Plex's metadata. When you run it, it will show a cmd window. It will complain that the volume feature is deprecated but I haven't had any issues with it, I think most of the boost comes from changing it to stereo anyways. Honestly I'm not sure if the -vol tag is even doing much, I might even have it at a way higher value than it should be. Also I want to say that I am not an FFMPEG expert, so what I am doing may or may not be the best way of doing it. If you're going to use it, I recommend testing it first. The code of the batch file is below: @ECHO OFF md converted for %%i in (*.mp4) do ( echo Converting %%~ni.mp4... ffmpeg -i "%%~ni.mp4" -metadata title= -c:v copy -c:a aac -af "pan=stereo|FL=0.5*FC+0.707*FL+0.707*BL+0.5*LFE|FR=0.5*FC+0.707*FR+0.707*BR+0.5*LFE" -vol 1024 "%cd%/converted/%%~ni.mp4")
for %%i in (*.mkv) do ( echo Converting %%~ni.mkv... ffmpeg -i "%%~ni.mkv" -metadata title= -c:v copy -c:a aac -af "pan=stereo|FL=0.5*FC+0.707*FL+0.707*BL+0.5*LFE|FR=0.5*FC+0.707*FR+0.707*BR+0.5*LFE" -vol 1024 "%cd%/converted/%%~ni.mkv")
FOUND IT: Settings > Plex Web > Player > (Disable) Normalize Multi-Channel Audio Yo I had this issue to, its due to a setting under advanced playback options (pretty sure) called something like equalization support for multichannel audio or normalization. Something similar. Uncheck that box and viola all surround sound content is fixed. All this is done on the web client under settings, not on individual devices
I've had emby since 2018-2019 and it's been a near flawless experience. Sometimes it will have issues identifying movies/shows but the downloads work great as well as transcoding
I think one of the major things glossed over here is that Jellyfin lets you have multiple administration accounts and a really granular permission system. Plex only allows one server admin and has a really basic permissions system. Everything else was pretty spot-on. ☺
@@DJ.1001 Same. I was sick of adding files or retagging them then having to ask for the library to be refreshed. 😵💫 It was especially bad with music, which is why when Google Play Music died, the switch to Jellyfin happened.
Don't forget the LDAP plugin... It's the reason why i got in contact with jellyfin first... Now it's just the older LG-TV's we have that plex is still running, but that's in the working too^^
As a long time user of Jellyfin, this video could be a massive endorsement to a relatively small community. I genuinely appreciate this and hope that Jellyfin continues to mature past its already relatively stable state.
That last issue you describe is almost certainly a codec issue. Whatever platform/device you’re streaming to is probably saying it supports that audio codec, when it in fact does not (or not in the way your source file has it encoded). I have this issue on Apple TV a lot. The solution I’ve gone with for now is to setup Unmanic, an automated tool that ensures all my media files have whatever codecs I decide. I then match those settings with what I know my Apple TV supports and I’ve not had any issues since doing that.
Plex is supposed to (and generally does) autodetec codec compatibility though. Expected behaviour would be to transcode the audio stream and leave the video stream as-is
Had a similar issue with my LG Oled. Plex was automatically set up with DTS compatibility but as LG doesn't support it anymore there was no sound. When you convert, it probably uses a different audio codec. I just had to turn off DTS compatibility in the settings.
I switched from Plex to Emby some years ago and have been (mostly) very happy with it. One feature I like, which Plex didn't have then, although I don't know whether it has now, is that when watching TV series, it knows to play a Special that has been allocated to Season 00 in TVDB in the right order with the regular episodes. The development team are also very responsive in their forums. There is lots of available customisation. Linus should really give it a go. I would love to see a LTT video on Emby.
I moved from Plex to Emby because Plex's styled subtitles support is dogshit. .ass files look like shit on Plex while Emby is able to display the correct font, size and colors without issues.
Yep, I moved from Plex to Emby 3 or 4 years ago, and it's perfect for what I want. Plex lost their way when they scrapped the "classic" interface which was exactly what we all wanted here at my house (nice and simple) - yet another company that flippantly ignores their users, and consequently loses to a competitor.
No, Plex still can't do that (that I'm aware of). I try Emby again once a year or so but for our use, I have always found far more negatives with Emby than Plex. Always rooting for Jellyfin and Emby to be great as the competition is welcome to give us options to choose what works best for what you want to do.
Been an emby fan for years. I concur, I don't want other services in my media server. Just MY media 😁. Every year I look at Emby Premiere but wind up saying nah. Well it's 2023 time to compare I suppose.
Pretty much nailed all my exact issues, pros, and cons with both platforms. I hope Jellyfin can step up to Plex, and I hope Plex fixes their crap and dials back on all the useless crap they're injecting that absolutely no one wants!
Well said, though plex seems to skip intros under 20 seconds just fine for me even though Linus reckons it can't and also I can download compressed versions of shows in only a few seconds without issue, sounds like it is more a issue with his setup rather than plex itself. But yes 100% they need to stop adding useless crap to plex!!!
Hey, but they released a new logo design! .... that's absolutely shit compared to the old one and again like you said, crap that nobody asked for or wants.
More than a few times have I seen my mom, brother and wife using the free movies/tv sections on Plex. I would never use those... but you can't say no one wants or uses it.
Thank you for calling this out, Linus. Maybe one day I will be able to listen to my downloaded podcasts on Android without the Plex app restarting them a million times.
I use Emby myself, and it does have the transcode download feature that works great! I think the transcoder on Emby is better than plex as well. It works very well and my girlfriend and I both reccomend
The Plex Transcoder is the best out there, but it's still lacking AV1 support in 2023 which is inexcusable. The weird part is Plex will play AV1 on the Linux client.
Emby user too. I tested the "Download Transcoding" myself, as I don't normally use it, and it works without issue in Emby for me. Transcoded a 4k bluray down to 480P 1GB. I have family that uses the download button occasionally and they haven't reported any issues.
Someone probably already mentioned this, but it looks like Jellyfin can use LDAP for user authentication with a plugin. Presumably, with an appropriate LDAP server, your users could then manage their own passwords. (Disclaimer: I'm just reading the docs; I haven't gotten to "install Jellyfin" part of the five-month plan for my homelab yet so I can't say whether or how well it works in practice.)
As someone who recently switched to Jellyfin--can confirm, LDAP plugin Just Works. If you can set up self-service password reset for LDAP, you have it for Jellyfin.
Yep, the LDAP plugin works, there is also a SAML one. Setting up your own auth provider with something like MIM works to create a more "plex like" user experience.
@@theredpenguin1354 sweet yeah with SAML support you can use KeyClock too, which has password recovery and multifactor support (plus you can use ldap as well if you wanted, essentially multiplexing your account management through them).
Yep, with LLDAP users can update their own password though there's no way to create their own account or recover it. SAML with Authentik or Keycloak would work better for that.
I've been an Emby user since it was MediaBrowser and I've always been very impressed with it. The community for it may be smaller but the devs are very active on the forums, critical bugs are often fixed very quickly. I've been able to maintain my library for years even moving to new systems or installations of Emby by restoring a backup that it takes nightly. There is an option within the transcoding page to boost audio volume when downmixing, though not sure why audio levels would change with a video transcode but it works either way. There's native apps on many devices, I personally have an LG OLED TV that I primarily use and there are some limitations but NOT because of app, it actually has to do with what LG makes available on the TV, mostly in relation to the subtitle formats especially if you're playing something in HDR but sometimes the type of audio track does play a role (again mostly related to HDR content, if it's SDR it can just transcode). I've read you can just hook up an Nvidia Shield instead and not have to worry about anything like that but I don't personally have one currently - it also has better networking than the TV does. Playing remotely works great if you have a good internet connection even though I don't do it very often, setting up a reverse proxy server was not that difficult to do either. 10 thumbs up from me!
Also the downloading feature with transcoded files works well, I've only used it maybe once but worked great. I think I had to wait for it to finish the transcode before it would download but I don't remember now, it was relatively small file anyway. Can easily transcode to a lower bitrate to download for mobile use while traveling.
I am a big audiobook listener and tried to make the switch to Emby for that. It was really good. It did not have some of the features that I wanted and I switched back to Plex because it has better 3rd party apps for Audiobooks. That being said I turned my Emby server into a media server for ummm, videos, the kind kids shouldn't watch. It did a very good job at keeping those segmented from my normal plex that was shared with other people. I was presently surprised that it did all of the normal video things with them. It worked well and I used it for a couple months before I retired the library and re allocated the space to different content. Over all I was happy with it and if more of my friends had switched to Emby I would have made the switch. But library sharing with friends was why I ended up staying with plex. It handles my 8ish TB of audiobook relatively well with the help of some 3rd party tweeks and apps for playback. When Plex amp came out it almost made me even ditch the 3rd party audiobook apps. But it still did not have enough functionality and the "remember track location" feature was still buggy as hell with anything over 5 hours of audio.
Emby has been my go to since mediaBrowser also. I like that you can block folders for different users. I have a movie kids folder and one for tv shows. My login can see all folders but the kids can only see shows from the folders I assign them. Jellyfin does not have that feature and its in the free version of Emby.
My dude-I preach often that when you support someone but know they’ve done something wrong-it’s okay to call them out. How easy would it have been for you to pretend like all was great and rainbows with Plex-but here you are being real, doing your thing, and being honest about other options. you just got another subscriber my guy
Probably the most interesting video they've done in a while (apart from Factory tours - those are awesome)! This comes from someone with no horse in this race, having just taken a long optical hdmi cable to connect my pc to my TV. Would love to see more of these software analysis and dives, pc-build-slight-variation-#19 gets a bit tired after a while :/
Thanks for using your platform to draw more attention to the issues with Plex. Hopefully they see this and focus on the parts that actually matter to most of their users. They've been spending too much time on the the ad supported features and not enough time addressing stability and core features.
Completely agree. For pretty much every “major” feature they’ve introduced over the past several years, my reaction has been a resounding, “meh! How do I turn it off?”. I’ve been sorely tempted to apply for a job with them just so I could get time with someone senior on their dev team to ask, “Why do you spend so much time building features hardly anyone wants?!?”.
Plex is not even close to being perfect, but still overall the better option for me. I've tried jellyfin, still needs some work before I would actually consider changing over to it. Always great to have options though!
Amazing timing! I have actually switched from Plex to Jellyfin 2 weeks ago. I just love it! I have some slight problems with HDR to SDR transcoding though, but nothing that cannot be solved I guess.
Just being curious: why would you do that? The only real advantage that Jellyfin has is that's it's free. I've played with Jellyfin out of curiosity, but compared to my current PMS > PlexKodiConnect > Kodi solution it's lightyears behind.
@@stevenvanpelt486 Not having to pay. That's it. It's not the only reason, it's the only reason that needs to be given. Plex is built on the back of free, open source software, and charged as though it's not.
I used the Jellyfin official image on unraid docker, but now I changed to the image from nyanmisaka. He is also one of the developers of the project, focusing on hardware acceleration. So many drivers are integrated in his image. This is very nice, especially if you don't know much about how the various drivers should be installed. In addition, the official image does not integrate the Chinese font library. Even if you set the path of the external font library, the external subtitle file may still not be displayed normally. But he added a Chinese font library to the image, which perfectly solved the problem of subtitle display. What bothers me now is that the cast introductions are displayed in the wrong language. The preferred language for all my libraries is Chinese, and most of the actors have Chinese introductions on TMDB. But they still show up in English in Jellyfin. This is not a problem for English users, but it is not friendly for non-English users. When I watch a Chinese movie and want to know more about the actors, I can only look it up online because their names and descriptions are in English. I can't even figure out what the corresponding Chinese characters are by the pronunciation of their names.
Big vote for Emby here! Had nothing but issues with plex so moved over to Emby a couple of years ago now. Plex would have constant/random streaming issues to my family members, would miss movies in the library unless the folders were very specifically named and don't even get me started on how useless it was with TV shows. Had zero issues with Emby and the transcoding support seems much better than Plex for various different GPU's.
Question, how well does Emby play with NASs? I am thinking of picking up a computer from work that would be discarded anyways, slap an SSD or 2 in, and see if I can a home server going.
@@DrKosmos do you mean playing media back from a NAS or hosting Emby on a NAS? Either way Emby is well supported on most NAS devices. The transcoding capability would depend on the hardware in the NAS. If you mean playing back from a NAS then you would just have to map the NAS as a network drive in windows, or mount it on linux and it's the same as a library on any local disk.
@@chrisdsanders missing items in the library. Had so many missing, was the thing that really pushed me to emby. No changes to the folder structure or naming and Emby picked up everything. Along with that my transcoding and streaming issues went away also.
The problem with native support is dotNet only natively supports Windows, Linux, and MacOS. The port uses a cross compiled version of .Net package I believe, but performs pretty well.
@@densepixel Yep thanks for pointing this out. We're really hampered on BSD by the lack of native tookchains for it from Microsoft. It's possible to do of course but it's some major heavy lifting for the user.
I recently took up Jellyfin, and over all it has been a great experience, had a few minor issues on the rollout but once it was up and runniung and had downloaded metadata and images for all the movies it was great and has been since. Have even set up a cert to allow limited remote access. Yeah I would love if it had some more features and a better UI, but to me those are pretty minor things. In time, I am confident they will be addressed.
I used to use Kodi and after reading the comments of the Plex video I changed over to Jellyfin Gotta love when you can use custom CSS code to fine tune how everything looks
Been a pretty happy user of Emby. Have life time subscription. Especially happy with the hardware transcoding support. UI and playback can be a bit buggy at a times. But especially while being locally connected, playback is fast and responsive. Offline media download has been a bit buggy for me, but I didn't have problems with it using the stable version of Emby. The latest beta did have some problems.
Also quite neat to note is the Jellyfin for Kodi Addon which I use. This way you can use the superiority of the Kodi player on most devices alongside your synced Jellyfin library. So basically once you watch something using Kodi on your Android TV, Phone or similar the progress is automatically synced to the main Jellyfin instance. Furthermore you can manage your library in Jellyfin (adding movies, tagging stuff, adjusting progress) and then once you open Kodi on any device it will sync with that library. Also allows you to use the more advanced Kodi playback features, support for Dolby Vision/Atmos, custom skins and so on and forth. It is a bit hacky to set up but once done works like a charm!
Substitute EMBY for JF and that describes the way I have mine setup. Like you said, works like a charm. Funny thing is I didn't like the Emby UI which is why I use Kodi yet when I found the Embuary skin for Kodi.. that's what I use. :)
Can you compare it to PlexKodiConnect (PKC)? It's what I've been using and I'm thinking about switching to Jellyfin. From what I've read so far it works the same way. Library syncs and the (plex) media server local paths are substituted by network location paths so all Kodi sees is that there is file X located at Y on network and that's it. Works (almost) like every other library. It's just that scraping is not a thing. So with the initial sync via PKC it's getting the base metadata from the PMS. I.e. I don't have IMDB ratings unless my skin is triggering a plugin to fetch that. But there are many skins out there that do so I can have alle the ratings :)
@@Prophes0r How is the kodi player not superior? Plex can't even play ISO files. It can't do double layer DV, it can't do true Atmos and it does not allow for many player specific settings that Kodi has.
@@TheExplodingCore It is basically the same with the added bonus that Jellyfin indexes ISO files which then can be played in Kodi. Furthermore instead of network path substitution the addon also allows for transcoded streaming thriugh jellyfin. That is slower though and drops ISO support. So in my case not necessary since the network paths are available to my devices.
Finally, an ltt video that's labeled enough to know what I'm getting. I had to take LTT off my notification because they expect everyone subscribed to watch every jank video they throw out with the worst click bait titles. It's a complete disregard for their viewers time. I only look at the ltt channel like once a month now when I have nothing left to watch to see if anything is labeled as something I'm interested in. Good video, although it seems like more of a rant but I didn't know about jellyfin before it.
I’ve been using Emby for free for almost 2 years now and I love it. Since I’m not on a subscription there are some features that I don’t have, but overall it’s been a very smooth and enjoyable experience. I’ve tried both Plex and Jellyfin, but I prefer Emby over both.
I run all 3 on my media library, and each have their pros and cons, but I tend to prefer Emby. It's similar to Jellyfin, but a little more stable, consistent and snappy than Jellyfin. Jellyfin has a couple of issues - slightly longer load times for larger libraries, along with pagination, which is annoying compared to Emby's fast-loading scrolling. Plus Jellyfin sometimes has issues with Albums appearing correctly (if you have music there too). Jellyfin on the other hand is easier to customise if you are into that. Personally I use Emby 95% of the time, but when I have issues I just switch to one of the others. You don't really need to choose just one. It's great that the options are out there and they are pushing each other to improve.
Can Plex be used without an active internet connection, like Jellyfin can? The entire point is being able to still watch something on my smart TVs when the internet goes down.
I run both Emby and Jellyfin but I mostly use Emby just solely for the stability, fixes, support & plugins that Jellyfin has yet to catch up on. It's a really good middle point till Jellyfin gets better imo.
I also run them side by side. Jellyfin to me is still the unpolished version of Emby. The way they add features reminds me a little of Plex. Sure they add them sooner like intro skip rather than getting the clients to a better standard. Maybe in the future Jellyfin will surpass it.
I run both Emby and Plex with Lifetime License on both of them, I like Plex but sometimes it is heavier on bandwidth so it won’t load videos on LTE. I’ve used Emby for about 8 years, and Plex for about 2. Emby is a much more cleaner and simpler UI, I looked into Jellyfin but I was already using Emby, seeing how it is just a washed down “branch” off of Emby, I didn’t even finish with the SetUp.
Thank you Linus. I have been a long term user of Plex and downloading the kids movies onto their iPads is an essential component of Plex that continues to be a nightmare. Please keep pushing them to finally get this fixed instead of wasting time on all this extra crap that no one wants. Just make a good media consuming app that works off line. It’s my media let me watch it the way I want without glitches and headaches!
Went from Plex to Emby a bit more than a year ago. I was using Plex for more than 5 years and had lots of frustration like you. So I found Emby, tried it one time on Android and Apple device, it works just fine. Same setup than any other, you can chose multiple plugins (like open subtitle or movie database) to intergrate, I'm happy with it and it's perfect for my usage. I'm eager to try Jellyfin, but Emby meet all my expectation
You can run all 3 on the same server with the same libraries. So there is no "hassle" to transfer over. Just set all 3 up. Use them a bit, and see which you prefer.
Correct. I'm doing this now just to compare. Jellyfin is the one I usek, as Plex's UI bugs me and I haven't paid for Emby Premiere so it's very limited in comparison.
Been running jellyfin for over 2.5 years and I have loved it, it's just that a dedicated home media library. Love it!!! App support is even getting better, findroid and swiftfin are really great. It's also easy to run in k8s. :) There is another one in the works called dim, written in rust, it's very very new! It's pretty cool though as well.
I love that even as they were writing this video, Jellyfin was busy updating and releasing new features. Swiftfin now has intro skipper support is just one of many. I love being a part of the FOSS world.
You touched on a point that I brought up on their forums, user chosen quality gets set back to max after next episode. That and transcoding being the default option for all new users is a pain.
Oh right, can't forget the part where a Plex Employee would rather argue semantics than find a solution to an issue. A pre-processed low-quality version of a file is not visible in the transcode options list.
OMG! Thank you for this Linus! I tell people why I dropped Plex because of the bugs and they raise an eyebrow like I'm a conspiracy theorist and deny issues. I've experienced so many bugs with Plex that I kept expecting it with Jellyfin, but so far it just keeps working as intended! It's so refreshing and I'm so pleased. Sure some of the features you mentioned would be good but the basics are solid and that's really the most important thing before adding features and more bugs!
I've been using Jellyfin for months now and I've been loving it. I mainly use it for music, along with Finamp so I can download playlists onto my phone to listen to offline. Never have to deal with RUclips deleting a random song from my playlist ever again
I have used Emby for a while now and I am loving it. I have had no issues with it whatsoever and ended up buying the lifetime license :) I can recommend trying it.
@@iamvinku I started on Plex, switched to Emby around 2018 when Jellyfin was forked. Since then it feels like the Jellyfin team spent most of the time trying to figure out the Emby code, whereas the Emby team just kept updating and making changes. As a long term Emby user, installing Jellyfin feels like going back in time to an old version. That and the client apps are very very very basic (and not in a good way) compared to the Emby client apps, but that may be a personal preference.
@@knoctum7863 100% agree with you, yes I do pay £5/mo for emby premiere but i find it worth it for the features it gives me. Used to use plex and then when i switched to emby i didnt feel like i lost anything but looking at jellyfin, feel like an older version of emby as you said. The only issue iver ever had is with downloading, not that they dont downlaod, just that the UI doesnt update with the download % but once its done it will be there
The beautiful thing about open source is that with enough time it will overtake all competition. Opensource by nature doesn't get worse it only ever gets better it may be slow but it's coming for everyone.
I'm actually trying Emby for the first time and I find it better when talking about transcoding options. One thing that's making me think of switching to Emby is the ability to not transcode the video output when the audio track has to be transcoded but the movie has subtitles. In this case Plex will transcode video to sync the text with the transcoded audio source to burn them in again, while Emby has a neat little option to extract subtitles on the fly that should prevent video transcoding. It does says that the playback could stall during the extraction process but so far I've never experienced any hiccup with a bunch of movies I tried. I'm not that much into other features Linus mentioned (like offline mode and intro skip) and I'm barely scratching the surface of what Emby can do, but I'll surely try jellyfin before buying an Emby license. One great thing about Emby though is that it has an app for every device you want
This reminds me of imgur. It was a great place to easily/quickly upload images, make albums, add descriptions to pictures/albums. Easily to simple image edits (crop, rotate, add text). Then as they ramped the monetization up, those features slowly got more annoying to access/use.
I've been using Emby for years now. I've liked them so much I ended up taking over development of one of their popular plugins. Most of the issues you stated with Plex and the short comings with Jellyfin aren't an issue with Emby. I did find it surprising that Emby's community is (at least listed as) smaller than Jellyfin's, given that Jellyfin came from Emby.
From what I've heard the Emby devs are toxic so when they went closed source and Jellyfin forked off of the then-latest Emby code many former Emby users jumped ship. It was an easy jump too as the Emby app actually worked with Jellyfin servers at the start. Also, allegedly, Emby Prime/Premire's license terms state that they can make you pay for an upgrade if you want to but I never cared to verify this as I don't use Emby.
I wasn't around when they forked. But my experience with the devs and the community as a whole has been overwhelmingly positive. As for the license thing, I don't know about that. Never read it. I have upgraded but hardware and software multiple times since buying a lifetime license. And they haven't asked for more money yet.
@@hackthis02 Well if you weren't around back then it's possible that devs have changed out and they're much better now, because back then that was a sticking point with the community.
@@antikommunistischaktion I was there around 3 years before they forked. I don't see a difference. I think they are very helpful on the forums and go out of their way to help you.
I have a lifetime pass for Plex, but I concurrently run Jellyfin on my server for those "just in case" moments when Plex authentication "breaks". What I LOVE about Plex is PlexAmp. Such an awesome player. Big music fan here.
I agree there the only real reason I keep plex is because of the native Xbox app and plex amp. Really like that player and the last main reason I keep it is because of the lack of freebsd support.
Pretty great summary of the Plex situation. I'll add that if you watch a lot of content with subtitles, it's always a gamble on whether it will transcode or not even if the client should be able to direct play...or even if it will play at all !
If you add online subtitles it needs to transcode to add it, you are then reliant on the device doing the transcode. If you transcode the subtitles into the video to begin with plex has no issue with direct playing subtitles.
@@nsxxtreme This is false. It's client dependent. My 2019 LG C8 Plex app WILL transcode if you enable PGS subtitles on a HVEC h265 10-bit video, but on the Nvidia Shield Pro, Android, iOS, desktop client, etc it will direct play just fine. Jellyfin has the same sort of issue where its native apps will direct play fine (although in the AndroidTV one you need to change the player to libvlc, as the default one will force a transcode) but the ones that are basically just wrapping a browser and the web interface will transcode.
After using Plex for a few years and having some recurring frustrations with getting a custom scanner working, I gave Jellyfin, Emby, and Kodi a fair shake. I returned to using Plex primarily out of a preference for its interface and overall reliability for out-of-home streaming. None of the others did anything *better* or added anything that I didn't already have in Plex via an addon. And for as much bloat as there is in Plex, I find that there are a number of (perhaps semi-extraneous) features I enjoy, which aren't present on the other three.
You also forgot to mention that you need a plex account to connect to your plex server, meaning that if plex servers are down, you can’t access your library. And you can kind of bypass this with a hidden feature for your local network but it isn’t always working. I learnt that the hard way, that’s why I switched to Jellyfin a while back and don’t regret it.
Yep switched to JF in the summer, never going back. Also, Infuse on iOS kicks ass (even though it costs $10/year). The downloading for offline watching has been flawless for me across multiple devices, an absolute gamechanger if you travel a lot
I switched from Plex to Emby in 2018. I tried out jellyfin for a bit but it was missing some stuff (native apps and such mentioned in the video.) I definitely recommend Emby over both Jellyfin and Plex as long as you don't care about the FOSS part.
I agree. I would also recommend Jellyfin to a person who needs an off the grid solution like living on a oil rig for months where you don't have internet access.
You know what pushed me to trying out Jellyfin? Plex *still* hasn't added a playback speed control, despite it being a years and years old feature request. The official docker image install was slick and easy, LDAP was easy to set up, and it Just Works with my Nginx Proxy Manager installation. I'm happy with the switch, and I am also a lifetime Plex Pass holder.
I heard of Jellyfin last month, but was like "I have Plex, so I don't need it", but learning today that it is OPEN-SOURCE (and being a massive fan of such things), I'm now like "This changes everything"... So I'm probably going to implement it when I deploy my NAS/Storage Server later this year... 😅
I absolutely love Emby. I started on plex years ago and had a whole lot of issues with it to the point i said screw it and went looking for alternatives. At the time Emby was still relatively new but it was almost on feature parity with plex and i had an easier time getting it set up and working on all my devices. A few years later i bought Emby premier lifetime and haven't been disapointed about it once. As for jellyfin it never managed to pull me away from emby. Beacause they forked from emby right when emby went closed source and did some rewrite they have been constantly trying to catch up and I am not sure they ever will
My experience too. I move from plex after big problems with aaaaalways buffering over remote access with every media that has bitrate more than like 10mbit (i never found out if it was plex fault or my ISP, but i gave up after maybe of 1 month of testing...). After instaling of emby everything work like charm. Then i buy premier and never look back. What realy suprise me, that even on non official device like tizen tv, there is a app that you just install from usb and... it work...
The thing with open-source software is that the community can write the changes themselves, propose it to the original project (pull request) then the devs need to just look through the code then approve it, and that way, everyone benefits from the new features, the community member gets listed as contributor, and the devs can continue their regular day job. This is more of a volunteering thing though, but it's cool to know that it's possible!
The community Can. That does not mean the community Will. Open source is not magic pixie dust. To paraphrase Ghandi, "You must be the Free Software developer that you wish to see in the world." You must be that developer, because I will not.
@@arthurofcharn Hey, if someone is super annoyed with a feature it's possible that they might just fix it themselves. Maybe… I haven't used the software yet so I don't have any features I'm annoyed with. But there are things I helped with in other projects
i havve been using emby for 5 or 6 years with a lifetime licence. i never had an issue or a complaint. although my use may differ . but i use it on the plane. loaded my music to listen in the car, and watch on tv. works great. even set it up with https private domain. so i can view it from every where. works great. subtitles download is kind of working. although i dont use it that much
I started out on Plex and they kept getting progressively worse. They have a lot of streaming channels that I never used. When they required a purchase of a separate app to stream music, I was done. I went to Emby and have been very satisfied with them. The only problems I've had have been just me not doing a complicated setup correctly but I corrected some port forwarding and I'm having no issues. They are fast and responsive with excellent quality. I've got a Lifetime Emby sub and don't miss Plex in the least.
Emby is my daily driver for over a year now on my server. And while it might not be perfect, it is the best option I have tried thus far, since firing Plex.
I switched to jellyfin almost a year ago after using plex for about one month. Had some problems with media detection at first but after renaming some folders it worked flawlessly
I am using Jellyfin and found it pretty easy to use! Set it up to surprise my wife for Christmas with the entire series of The Office and it works pretty great! The roku app is very basic and is missing a ton of features you get with the web and app versions but it works well enough. Auto play doesn’t work for me but I don’t know if that’s because of my episode titles or a plugin i need. Plug and play it works but the customization is a bit overwhelming. But all in all, I would definitely recommend it!!
I set up my first media server a month ago. Decided to go with Jellyfin because it seemed like self-hosted media was just an afterthought with Plex, after they're done shilling live TV, Plex Pass, etc. For a FOSS solution, it blew past my expectations. Great option if you have simple requirements and don't need your content on the go.
Even if you need your content on the go, Jellyfin can have you covered there although you may need to spend some time learning how to setup personal VPN and such. I realize that not everyone wants to even learn how to do that but with things like ngrok and tailscale, it is ridiculously simple to setup remote access to one's own media server.
I use Emby with Kodi, have not regretted it. Could recommend checking it out. Devices I use it on: Macbook, Android Tablet, iphone, WIndows PC, android TV (Philips). Emby is running on my UnRaid and is used as a database for Kodi.
When it comes to organizing your libraries so both Jellyfin and Plex are happy, Sonarr for TV, Radarr for Movies and Lidarr for Music are great software. It can do a little bit more than that (Arr), but that's not the important part.
Have you switched from Plex to Jellyfin or vice versa? What was your experience? If you've tried Emby, how does that compare?
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Plex - it really whips the llamas ass… oh wait wrong decade
What about LG jellyfin app? Is it good?
Had connection issue all the time when i was using plex. Since i switched to jellyfin i just works. It might not be the best featurewise but it works without problems for me.
Using Emby for years and I love it.
why dont you try emby?
FFmpeg dev of Jellyfin nyanmisaka here!
For the past two years I've mostly been busy polishing the hardware acceleration. As of Jellyfin 10.8, we have supported the complete transcoding pipeline include using AMD GPU. And use GPGPU filtering to accelerate video scaling, subtitle burning, tone mapping and other features. We are the first to support transcoding Dolby vision profie 5 to SDR. By the way I've been playing with the ARC A380 for a few months, so AV1 encoding is on the way.
If you are familiar with developing with FFmpeg and would like to improve Jellyfin please let me know.❤
Awesome stuff, thank you!
just switched from nvidia windows to amd linux i just wanna say thank you
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@@AhmedMohammed23 very based.
we need this pinned as well!
I think it’s a massive advantage that the Jellyfin developers are IN your comments section, and are fully engaged with what you’re saying. It’s one of the beautiful things about the open source, nature of the project. I’m sure Plex developers also have their opinions, but are bound by contract to let the PR team speak for them. Hopefully this stands as a good reason for Plex’s decision makers to get competitive again. A little bit of healthy competition is always good. As for me, I will probably be going with Jellyfin regardless, and finding a way to support the devs over there.
Edit: grammarz
Devils advocate position,, maybe the Plex developers are coding, whilst the Jellyfin developers are on RUclips comments? :)
@@simona4693 ^^ least charitable take. Engaging with your community is an important part of open source. There's more to it than just programming
@@simona4693 I’m personally disinclined to agree with that take, but I *do* think it’s important to have someone play devils advocate. Good thinking, but I think it’s probably a mistake to assume that the developers luxury/personal time doesn’t include a little RUclips. Linus has also been talking a little about this on The WAN Show in recent weeks so I suspect that the devs were tuned into the fact that a video about their project was probably in the pipeline, and ready to demonstrate good-faith engagement with the community.
Plex would have to have every comment approved and would most likely come back to Linux directly given the sponsorships. I know my employer would not be happy with me commenting about their software. That said they may allow some people to make public comments on behalf of the company. Really depends how much jellyfin is hurting them. I can tell you I installed jellyfin and didn't regret it. Plex is a dinosaur in comparison. Plex our time together was good but my new lover is so much better.
Nah, Plex doesn't care at all. If they cared, it wouldn't be proprietary. Being in a community or in a corporate setting doesn't matter if you restrict user freedoms.
A very fair and balanced review, thank you for this Linus!
There's one comment I want to make regarding money. We've always explicitly wanted to keep money out of the project because, exactly as you said, capitalism ruins everything and we don't want to "start the cycle" again. We forked because Emby jumped headfirst into that cycle, and I made a commitment - to myself, to our team, and to our users - to never become part of that bandwagon. Period.
What that means is - we've already seen an uptick in donations. Which is nice, thank you everyone! But I want to reiterate that we only use the money donated to us for infrastructure costs, for which we currently have a huge runway (we could pay for our DigitalOcean VMs for like, 3-4 years at this point).
What we need as a project more than anything is talented, experienced developers who are willing to contribute to the project. So if you, or someone you know, is good with C# (core server, plugins), React (main WebUI), Vue.js (alternate WebUI), Apple Swift (Swiftfin), Kotlin (Android), Brightscript (Roku), or Python (Kodi), a high-quality contribution makes a far bigger impact than any amount of money ever could! Contributions to our documentation are also a huge help, especially for some more niche (for us homelabbers/selfhosters) areas like a solid Windows setup guide.
Happy watching!
This comment should be at the top
@LinusTechTips pin this please
Whoa! Jellyfin project lead here. LTT staff, please pin this comment?
What's wrong with capitalism if you don't compromise on the quality of the user experience? You could use donations/other revenue to pay devs and keep being faithful to the audience(at least let people finance specific features)
I know asking for stuff doesn’t help you find more talent but a Samsung TV app would be amazing! I could finally ditch Plex.
But also, thank you thank you thank you so much for all the work you have done!! I love the app and prefer it over Plex any day!
(Running it on a docker on my UNRaid server 😊)
2024 called... It wants a update to this. Plex vs Emby vs Jellyfin
I fully agree with this
yesssss
Add infuse and I’m in. It’s what I use along side truenas scale at home. Also use kodi running on rpis on my kids tvs as I can set what content is allowed on them and with the cec function the tv remotes are used to control the os. I use infuse on my phones and Apple TVs. PS: I buy all the movies and shows that are in my nas from legitimate sources ie the discount bin at Wally World.
Emby is just a proprietary Jellyfin. Plex vs Jellyfin is enough
@@terrynations2243 Would just like to throw it out there that you can absolutely set up a division between kid and adult accounts on Jellyfin, I have a setup that I've found works great. When you set up the libraries you can attach multiple folders to content, so the folder set up for my instance is "kids", "shared", and "movies". "Kids" is stuff I don't want showing up in my lists, like Dragon Tales or Arthur; "shared" is stuff I don't mind seeing on my list, like Disney movies; "movies"/"shows" is stuff I don't want my nephew being able to watch unsupervised.
Once the three folder divide is created, you create two libraries: "movies" and "family movies" where "movies" has access to the "shared" and "movies" folders, and "family movies" has access to "kids" and "shared". Kids accounts get access to the "family movies" library, the adult accounts get access to the "movies" library. They only see what's age-appropriate, we don't have to sift through their kid crap.
I will admit that it takes a few minutes to set up and do the initial organization if you already have like 100+ movies/shows, but once you have the initial setup done and the libraries are in place, it's as easy as making sure the right boxes are checked on each account and that you don't accidentally drop Aliens into the shared folder.
The fact that Linus rips on his sponsors is what keeps me here. Keep it up, Linus.
Its more constructive criticism then ripping, but i totally agree.
@@HanZie82 Yeah him being rude won't help anyone
I dont know doesn't seem like he tried that hard to find the source of the problem. Plex isn't bug free but some of the issues he described were user error and not understanding how it all works.
@@nsxxtreme non geeks and those dealing with non-geeks just want 'stuff that works without having to understand it'
Heck, even us geeks have limited time to fix the stuff that should be working.
So when Plex tells me it has downloaded things then it should work. No ifs or buts, no coconuts.
@@nsxxtreme you shouldn't need to try hard to find root cause of bugs of paid software lmao
Lifetime Plex user of 10 years. I feel the exact same. It's changed a lot, and mostly not for the better
@Akkbar I'm pretty sure the video did a great job of listing many of the concerns that many plex users have, including me.
@@Akkbar21 bloated software
15:06 what he said about funding, I've seen some open source projects also do Patreons and Patreons-like funding. So a in-between solution is possible.
@@Akkbar21 . 1)Offline viewing.
2) Requirement for internet connection to use server on home network. Yes, there is a work around, but I should not need to.
@@robertt9342 #2 is a HUGE one
Jellyfin continues to improve little by little, wearing down every little bullet point Plex used to call out as an advantage. Some of the biggest things are being able to transcode without paying, having a native Apple TV and iOS app, and all the little plugins for weird edge cases like eBook integrations.
It needs niche system support. Like WebOS or Tizen
@@ligametis being open source it probably has been unofficially ported, but also due to being unofficial finding that port may prove difficult
@@ligametis WebOS has a native app already
The biggest advantage for Plex is honestly friction and by the way Jellyfin is designed, will always be harder to setup than plex.
Even this video glosses over it but if you want to watch Jellyfin outside of your house. You either need A) to port forward, hopefully with a domain or reverse proxy. or B) A VPN wired into your home network. If you knew how to do either of those properly, you're golden. Plex has no such needs. Relay handles that for you, even if it is limited, it does just work.
And that's what plex is good at it. It does just work (when it does work, that is. It's still a finicky beast.)
Until Jellyfin actually reaches feature parity, i'm running both side by side with synced watchstates per profile. Because no one said you ever had to choose one or the other.
@@Dwykid1 You still have to port forward in Plex tho.
Netflix: increases fees, prevents password sharing.
Linus: Anyway here's a video about Plex and Jellyfin
Only because of Netflix's fees, they create the stuff which people ultimately watch on JellyFin and Plex
As a relatively long time user of Plex who just moved to Jellyfin not too long ago, I'm glad LTT is finally making a video about it.
I am a current plex user, but I like this kind of content.
Yeah finally
I wish I could switch too, but i'm on truenas, so not very possible...
I still like plex, tried jellyfin and gave me a couple issues from day 1 so I didn't bother to spend time in it since plex was already working
@@robertt9342 Plex is garbage. Try Jellyfin and get rid of commercials.
I would love to see more videos like this - an in-depth comparison of software options.
Yeah, seriously. Would love ones like Photoshop vs Gimp, or Libre vs Office. Could be a whole series in it.
@@DampeS8N A vid about alternatives to the core Adobe suite would be amazing!
@@DrakkarCalethiel They kinda sorta did that, but not in this format.
Hi, I wrote the configurable HDR tone-mapper you mentioned at 14:48, and also added support for Dolby Vision playback :D
Thanks for the shoutout!
amazing thanks!
Based.
This seems like a timely opportunity to ask LTT to do an updated "Build your own HTPC" system video.
literally plug a pc into your tv and you're done. Why do you need a video on how to do this?
@@flyingtentacle7631 A good HTPC is a balance between getting as much power out of it (especially when used for gaming) as possible, but keeping it quiet enough to not be a bother during movies.
Discussion of the various software available, remote control situations, keyboards, 3D mouse options, audio boards, speaker setups, etc.
But by all means go plug your 1995 Dell into your CRT TV and go nuts.
@@flyingtentacle7631 That is not a HTPC
@@dustojnikhummer What's an HTPC then??
Why? You can just run the app on your TV and you're done. Or get an Android box if your TV can't do it.
Gold star to the editor, it was noticeably nice this episode.
FYI for the missing audio issue it might be the case your tv doesn't have the codec for that specific audio format, I've had this issue for weeks on windows too but it was caused by me using LTSC which doesn't come with a Dolby dll that's required for EAC3 and DDP5.1 to work.
And if native app doesn't work, often just casting it to the Chromecast (or Chromecast feature of the TV) will work fine
doesn't it usually show a notification or something when the audio codec is not supported?
It could be the container? Maybe the TV doesn't support that audio codec in whatever container the video is in, but when transcoding is enabled it just repackages it into a new container that it does support the same audio in?
I am pretty sure Linus uses a Nvidia Shield Pro on his TV and that should pretty much do it all.
@@kevinhoog no, plex doesn't show any such notification, at least the Plex for Windows client. not sure about TV apps
As someone who manages home media servers and appreciates consumer choice I love this video. I've used Plex for the past few years now and probably won't migrate to jellyfin just yet, but I will be keeping an eye on it and testing it from time to time. I really appreciate that you showcased both the pros and the cons of both services
I tried Jellyfin briefly a few years ago and it absolutely was not there yet. I have a limited use case, 99% of the time using Plex on my LG OLED only, no transcoding, and my phone has plenty of storage so on the odd occasion I want a portable copy, that's fine. But I can totally understand how I'm using the absolute basic functionality only and hopefully there will come a time where Jellyfin can satisfy that. Intro Skipping is absolutely essential though, plus I don't want to have to side-load an app on my TV as that's a hassle.
I do have a ShieldTV also mind you, but I only use that for movies with DTS audio as its more prone to video stuttering for some reason.
@@alexatkin yup. Hopefully this video encourages some of the loyal Jellyfin contributors to push the development of proper 1st party apps for more devices.
For me, considering that my family uses our main media server quite regularly on their TV and I use it on my phone and PC, having a consistent and functional user experience is essential. The annoying issues I have with Plex don't quite justify the switch yet because I'd be trading issues for other more different issues. Hopefully both Plex and Jellyfin are able to progress further and both improve as a result of the competition.
@@alexatkin maybe it has grown much more than compared to a few years ago...
I've got both Plex and jellyfin running pointed to the same media. I tend to use Plex on Google tv and jellyfin for mobile.
Plex's days are numbered
FYI: Filebot is great for getting the naming right for meta data. Can also be used to source subtitles
@@DanielLopez-fr3if Thanks! Commenting so hopefully more ppl see this
not advertising a product even when you are using it because it is not good *enough* to actually recommend is a great thing! sometimes (actually way too often) we are forced to pick the least broken option, but our conscience just won't let us say "it's good, you should pay for it too!"
I recently built a NAS, and went with Jellyfin to serve media off it because I prefer an open source solution with no online accounts. I've been impressed by it so far - there's even a native app for my LG smart TV. Very grateful to the devs for all the work they put into it!
"there's even a native app for my LG smart TV"
And what can be added to your comment is, that this app was released Q3/Q4 of 2022, so the whole Jellyfin ecosystem is in pretty active development.
@@jonas_security_kolinski but is also for every WebOS version?
@@w00tt03t Apparently it's available for WebOS 2/3/4/5
@@w00tt03t no 5 and up but they are working on it (the problem is in LG to verify app it takes months)
Hmmm, I have an old ASRock Beebox and a 5TB Seagate USB3 external drive.
I see some possibilities here.
I'm definitely team Plex here (I have a Lifetime Pass myself, and it meets all my needs), but I'm also really glad Jellyfin exists, works, and is getting attention. It gives Plex something to compete against, and gives me a second option if Plex gets bad. Both of them are better than streaming from Netflix/Hulu/whatever, and setting up a server can be really cheap, depending on how much storage you need.
Same, it does everything just fine for me but when I get to upgrading my server and Plex is on the downfall, I’ll look into jellyfin
What kind of server would you recommend?
such an unbelievably based take, thank you!
@@AutumnRivers Honestly, for just one or two people watching, an old Optiplex 7010 will handle 4K video just fine and can usually be had for $70-90 on eBay. Just make sure you get the tower version and not the slimmer models.
let's be real here mate. Both of these solutions are better than Netflix, etc. IF you are a pirate. No way buying Bluray's at like 25$ a pop is better than 10$ a month for a giant catalog of media.
I have been using Jellyfin for a number of years now, since it forked from Emby, it is by no means perfect but has steadily improved throughout the updates to be a genuinely competent competitor to Plex. I am so thankful for the project and it’s amazing devs. Great to see it is finally getting the praise and coverage it deserves.
I paid for the Plex lifetime license and ended up switching to Jellyfin after a few months of dealing w/ the Plex issues. A big factor for me was the plugin library that PLEX USED TO HAVE too, but that allow me to expand into supporting things like SSO (OIDC & LDAP) and more!
same
I was going to say, Jellyfin’s robust plugin support means you could probably just use an OIDC plugin to avoid resetting passwords
UI and native apps are probably the biggest problems currently, Server Side stuff mostly works
Yeah, the only thing missing server-side is federation and alternative database options
I think a transcode profile editor is lacking, sometimes old shows get offered at rediculous bitrates and i cant change/create in between profiles without source code hacks.
@@Undercoverfire Alternative databases are in the works. Though they have been for over a year, so don't count on it
Love to see the Jellyfin coverage. There *are* more than just the two images (LSIO and official) for Docker that do add some more transcoding functionality, particularly on AMD hardware. I'm happy to see a fair blow-by-blow comparison between the two media server platforms.
The Linuxserver-Build also offers so-called "Docker-Mods", which allows Transcoding for AMD-, NVidia- or Intel-(i)GPUs.
I bet those two are somewhat up-to-date with the actual version.
Usually it's a bit of a gamble when other images get updated ... it's both a blessing (you get stuff that isn't standard yet) and a curse (you may have to wait longer for fixes and new features of the original) for open source software.
@@astorek8611 Yup! Just wanted to point out that there were other options.
@@NotTheStinkyCheese Fair. I've used both the Binhex and ich777 images in the past and, while they are both more Unraid-adjacent than anything, they'll still work just fine in any other Docker environment. I've been moved over to the Jellyfin official image for a while, but I wanted to point out to some others that there are options aplenty.
He only covers it to put some pressure on plex, so they fix what he hates. Same like he does with Nvidia and AMD, he will never switch. Just some crying so he gets what he wants
Totally agree, it feels like plex has abandoned its roots as a private media server and put all its efforts into paid/advertisement driven avenues. I feel like a lot of the feature requests that have been there for years have been ignored to push in the less self managed direction which is frustrating. PLEX: you used to be by the people, for the people... lets move back in that direction eh?
I love that Jellyfin is becoming a serious competitor to Plex. It's make or break time for Plex imo. I wish you would have mentioned Plexamp though, as I believe it is the best thing to ever come out of Plex, and is worth a lifetime pass for anyone who self hosts their music library.
I use navidrome which is pretty good.
@einstein9073 i swear if they change the lifetime pass to a subscription service I will lose my shit
I second this. Been using Plex for more than 10 years, but it's getting clear that their monetization initiatives are getting in the way of them actually fixing glaring problems. If anyone has recently tried setting up a new Plex account (with access to a shared library) you would be shocked by all the crappy forced D-list Plex content you have taking up your screen. The Shared content you actually want to watch gets buried under 6 feet of Sh*t.
There is finamp for jellyfin, don't know if it has all of the features of plexamp though
Plexamp can't read or convert M3U playlists. That makes it useless to me.
I've been using Emby as my Media Center Server for about a year. It's working very good except for a couple of quirks with the subtitles (sometimes they take a while to appear) but apart from that I have no major complaints. It's running perfectly on my Intel 9900K with 16 GB of RAM. I have it on an Unraid server with other docker containers running I haven't seen any delays transcoding videos while listening to music.
No problem with the subtitles. But yeah, Emby is great. It works a lot better on my intel9100 than Plex did, I couldn't really get it to work well (even with the paid hardware acceleration)
For me, I also notice subtitles get out of sync when resuming content occasionally. The workaround is reopening, and starting it from the beginning, then skipping to the previous time
I'm running emby server off of an old 2nd gen i7 laptop with 16gb ram which i'm using as a Proxmox host and it worked extremely well. I was surprised given that the machine is only a 2ghz quad core with HT. I haven't explored all of the transcoding options but it worked with zero fuss with the Roku TV app.
Yea it'd be great if we got one more video in this series looking at Emby. Even though Jellyfin is based on Emby, they are worlds apart in their current iterations.
I moved to emby from kodi. Kodi was nice but I had so many issues over the years that I got fed up. I tried emby and Jellyfin and emby won it because it had some features that Jellyfin didn't. Bought emby Premiere and haven't looked back.
My biggest gripe with Plex has been the audio issues with transcoding. I have to run my media through a ffmpeg script to increase the volume just to compensate for it, because a lot of stuff (especially stuff with surround sound channels) just becomes way too quiet for me.
i have the same issue on my apple tv when using the tvOS plex app. When using Infuse as a client for my plex content, the audio is fine though. Unfortunately this has been an issue for months now and the plex team probably doesnt care anymore.
Tried jellyfin with infuse. But unfortunately, the jellyfin server is way too slow compared to plex.
Can you share how you do this please?
@@AmirKhan-qx2lr I use a .bat file to run the script, it's basically just iterating over files with an FFMPEG command. You will need to have FFMPEG set up on your system to use it. I want to explain what it does exactly, as it might not fit everyone's needs: It will only take .mp4 and .mkv in the same folder and create copies in a new folder. The copies will not have any surround sound channels, it will be converted to stereo (I watch most things with headphones, so I do not care much about surround myself). It will also have the volume boosted, although I am not sure if it actually boosts it by much. But it's usually enough for me either way. And, it will remove the title field from the metadata if present, as it tends to override Plex's metadata.
When you run it, it will show a cmd window. It will complain that the volume feature is deprecated but I haven't had any issues with it, I think most of the boost comes from changing it to stereo anyways. Honestly I'm not sure if the -vol tag is even doing much, I might even have it at a way higher value than it should be.
Also I want to say that I am not an FFMPEG expert, so what I am doing may or may not be the best way of doing it. If you're going to use it, I recommend testing it first.
The code of the batch file is below:
@ECHO OFF
md converted
for %%i in (*.mp4) do (
echo Converting %%~ni.mp4...
ffmpeg -i "%%~ni.mp4" -metadata title= -c:v copy -c:a aac -af "pan=stereo|FL=0.5*FC+0.707*FL+0.707*BL+0.5*LFE|FR=0.5*FC+0.707*FR+0.707*BR+0.5*LFE" -vol 1024 "%cd%/converted/%%~ni.mp4")
for %%i in (*.mkv) do (
echo Converting %%~ni.mkv...
ffmpeg -i "%%~ni.mkv" -metadata title= -c:v copy -c:a aac -af "pan=stereo|FL=0.5*FC+0.707*FL+0.707*BL+0.5*LFE|FR=0.5*FC+0.707*FR+0.707*BR+0.5*LFE" -vol 1024 "%cd%/converted/%%~ni.mkv")
pause
FOUND IT: Settings > Plex Web > Player > (Disable) Normalize Multi-Channel Audio
Yo I had this issue to, its due to a setting under advanced playback options (pretty sure) called something like equalization support for multichannel audio or normalization. Something similar.
Uncheck that box and viola all surround sound content is fixed.
All this is done on the web client under settings, not on individual devices
@@Mr.FastZombie Thank you!
I've had emby since 2018-2019 and it's been a near flawless experience. Sometimes it will have issues identifying movies/shows but the downloads work great as well as transcoding
I think one of the major things glossed over here is that Jellyfin lets you have multiple administration accounts and a really granular permission system. Plex only allows one server admin and has a really basic permissions system. Everything else was pretty spot-on. ☺
This was exactly the reason I switched. The way Plex handles other users and permission is straight up broken on some devices.
@@DJ.1001 Same. I was sick of adding files or retagging them then having to ask for the library to be refreshed. 😵💫 It was especially bad with music, which is why when Google Play Music died, the switch to Jellyfin happened.
Don't forget the LDAP plugin... It's the reason why i got in contact with jellyfin first... Now it's just the older LG-TV's we have that plex is still running, but that's in the working too^^
As a long time user of Jellyfin, this video could be a massive endorsement to a relatively small community. I genuinely appreciate this and hope that Jellyfin continues to mature past its already relatively stable state.
That last issue you describe is almost certainly a codec issue. Whatever platform/device you’re streaming to is probably saying it supports that audio codec, when it in fact does not (or not in the way your source file has it encoded). I have this issue on Apple TV a lot. The solution I’ve gone with for now is to setup Unmanic, an automated tool that ensures all my media files have whatever codecs I decide. I then match those settings with what I know my Apple TV supports and I’ve not had any issues since doing that.
Plex is supposed to (and generally does) autodetec codec compatibility though. Expected behaviour would be to transcode the audio stream and leave the video stream as-is
Had a similar issue with my LG Oled. Plex was automatically set up with DTS compatibility but as LG doesn't support it anymore there was no sound. When you convert, it probably uses a different audio codec. I just had to turn off DTS compatibility in the settings.
If I had to guess, I'd say the audio codec was probably EAC3
I switched from Plex to Emby some years ago and have been (mostly) very happy with it. One feature I like, which Plex didn't have then, although I don't know whether it has now, is that when watching TV series, it knows to play a Special that has been allocated to Season 00 in TVDB in the right order with the regular episodes. The development team are also very responsive in their forums. There is lots of available customisation. Linus should really give it a go. I would love to see a LTT video on Emby.
I moved from Plex to Emby because Plex's styled subtitles support is dogshit.
.ass files look like shit on Plex while Emby is able to display the correct font, size and colors without issues.
Yep, I moved from Plex to Emby 3 or 4 years ago, and it's perfect for what I want. Plex lost their way when they scrapped the "classic" interface which was exactly what we all wanted here at my house (nice and simple) - yet another company that flippantly ignores their users, and consequently loses to a competitor.
@@Jonathan-fw6ty for the record, works fine on Jellyfin too, in my experience
No, Plex still can't do that (that I'm aware of). I try Emby again once a year or so but for our use, I have always found far more negatives with Emby than Plex. Always rooting for Jellyfin and Emby to be great as the competition is welcome to give us options to choose what works best for what you want to do.
Been an emby fan for years. I concur, I don't want other services in my media server. Just MY media 😁. Every year I look at Emby Premiere but wind up saying nah. Well it's 2023 time to compare I suppose.
Glad to see he took the community feedback and made a new vid about it
Pretty much nailed all my exact issues, pros, and cons with both platforms. I hope Jellyfin can step up to Plex, and I hope Plex fixes their crap and dials back on all the useless crap they're injecting that absolutely no one wants!
Well said, though plex seems to skip intros under 20 seconds just fine for me even though Linus reckons it can't and also I can download compressed versions of shows in only a few seconds without issue, sounds like it is more a issue with his setup rather than plex itself. But yes 100% they need to stop adding useless crap to plex!!!
Hey, but they released a new logo design! .... that's absolutely shit compared to the old one and again like you said, crap that nobody asked for or wants.
@@phenry5083 I asked for it, and really like the new design much more.
@@lighthawk95 no, you didn’t and no, you don’t.
More than a few times have I seen my mom, brother and wife using the free movies/tv sections on Plex. I would never use those... but you can't say no one wants or uses it.
Please do more of these kinds of videos! I feel like they're way more useful to the average person than a PC building video.
Thank you for calling this out, Linus. Maybe one day I will be able to listen to my downloaded podcasts on Android without the Plex app restarting them a million times.
Maybe Audiobookshelf is for you, I heard it has very good podcast support
I use Emby myself, and it does have the transcode download feature that works great! I think the transcoder on Emby is better than plex as well. It works very well and my girlfriend and I both reccomend
The Plex Transcoder is the best out there, but it's still lacking AV1 support in 2023 which is inexcusable. The weird part is Plex will play AV1 on the Linux client.
@@antikommunistischaktion They released the update recently. Plex now can playback AV1 direct and also transcode for devices that don't support AV1.
Emby user too. I tested the "Download Transcoding" myself, as I don't normally use it, and it works without issue in Emby for me. Transcoded a 4k bluray down to 480P 1GB. I have family that uses the download button occasionally and they haven't reported any issues.
Someone probably already mentioned this, but it looks like Jellyfin can use LDAP for user authentication with a plugin. Presumably, with an appropriate LDAP server, your users could then manage their own passwords. (Disclaimer: I'm just reading the docs; I haven't gotten to "install Jellyfin" part of the five-month plan for my homelab yet so I can't say whether or how well it works in practice.)
As someone who recently switched to Jellyfin--can confirm, LDAP plugin Just Works. If you can set up self-service password reset for LDAP, you have it for Jellyfin.
I read that as LAPD and was incredibly confused what Los Angeles police had to do with anything 😂
Yep, the LDAP plugin works, there is also a SAML one. Setting up your own auth provider with something like MIM works to create a more "plex like" user experience.
@@theredpenguin1354 sweet yeah with SAML support you can use KeyClock too, which has password recovery and multifactor support (plus you can use ldap as well if you wanted, essentially multiplexing your account management through them).
Yep, with LLDAP users can update their own password though there's no way to create their own account or recover it. SAML with Authentik or Keycloak would work better for that.
I've been an Emby user since it was MediaBrowser and I've always been very impressed with it. The community for it may be smaller but the devs are very active on the forums, critical bugs are often fixed very quickly. I've been able to maintain my library for years even moving to new systems or installations of Emby by restoring a backup that it takes nightly. There is an option within the transcoding page to boost audio volume when downmixing, though not sure why audio levels would change with a video transcode but it works either way. There's native apps on many devices, I personally have an LG OLED TV that I primarily use and there are some limitations but NOT because of app, it actually has to do with what LG makes available on the TV, mostly in relation to the subtitle formats especially if you're playing something in HDR but sometimes the type of audio track does play a role (again mostly related to HDR content, if it's SDR it can just transcode). I've read you can just hook up an Nvidia Shield instead and not have to worry about anything like that but I don't personally have one currently - it also has better networking than the TV does. Playing remotely works great if you have a good internet connection even though I don't do it very often, setting up a reverse proxy server was not that difficult to do either. 10 thumbs up from me!
Also the downloading feature with transcoded files works well, I've only used it maybe once but worked great. I think I had to wait for it to finish the transcode before it would download but I don't remember now, it was relatively small file anyway. Can easily transcode to a lower bitrate to download for mobile use while traveling.
I have also been an Emby user since it was Media Browser. Great results in my experience and the apps on Android TV, Roku, Web work great!
I am a big audiobook listener and tried to make the switch to Emby for that. It was really good. It did not have some of the features that I wanted and I switched back to Plex because it has better 3rd party apps for Audiobooks.
That being said I turned my Emby server into a media server for ummm, videos, the kind kids shouldn't watch. It did a very good job at keeping those segmented from my normal plex that was shared with other people. I was presently surprised that it did all of the normal video things with them. It worked well and I used it for a couple months before I retired the library and re allocated the space to different content.
Over all I was happy with it and if more of my friends had switched to Emby I would have made the switch. But library sharing with friends was why I ended up staying with plex. It handles my 8ish TB of audiobook relatively well with the help of some 3rd party tweeks and apps for playback. When Plex amp came out it almost made me even ditch the 3rd party audiobook apps. But it still did not have enough functionality and the "remember track location" feature was still buggy as hell with anything over 5 hours of audio.
Emby has been my go to since mediaBrowser also. I like that you can block folders for different users. I have a movie kids folder and one for tv shows. My login can see all folders but the kids can only see shows from the folders I assign them. Jellyfin does not have that feature and its in the free version of Emby.
My dude-I preach often that when you support someone but know they’ve done something wrong-it’s okay to call them out. How easy would it have been for you to pretend like all was great and rainbows with Plex-but here you are being real, doing your thing, and being honest about other options. you just got another subscriber my guy
Probably the most interesting video they've done in a while (apart from Factory tours - those are awesome)! This comes from someone with no horse in this race, having just taken a long optical hdmi cable to connect my pc to my TV.
Would love to see more of these software analysis and dives, pc-build-slight-variation-#19 gets a bit tired after a while :/
I use plex without streaming just because having an organized media with all the posters is great.
Emby is also worth a try. Tried Plex, Jellyfin and Emby and sticked with Emby. Still not perfect but liked it the most.
It's the best opening you've done so far. Concise, well written and amusingly illustrated. 👍
Linus was capable of not talking about the most important thing about Jellyfin: free hardware acceleration.
He did mention it toward the end of the video.
Thanks for using your platform to draw more attention to the issues with Plex. Hopefully they see this and focus on the parts that actually matter to most of their users. They've been spending too much time on the the ad supported features and not enough time addressing stability and core features.
Completely agree. For pretty much every “major” feature they’ve introduced over the past several years, my reaction has been a resounding, “meh! How do I turn it off?”. I’ve been sorely tempted to apply for a job with them just so I could get time with someone senior on their dev team to ask, “Why do you spend so much time building features hardly anyone wants?!?”.
Agreed. Transcoding and downloading offline is an essential feature. All this other crap they keep shoving in is ridiculous!
Plex is not even close to being perfect, but still overall the better option for me. I've tried jellyfin, still needs some work before I would actually consider changing over to it. Always great to have options though!
Amazing timing! I have actually switched from Plex to Jellyfin 2 weeks ago. I just love it! I have some slight problems with HDR to SDR transcoding though, but nothing that cannot be solved I guess.
Just being curious: why would you do that? The only real advantage that Jellyfin has is that's it's free. I've played with Jellyfin out of curiosity, but compared to my current PMS > PlexKodiConnect > Kodi solution it's lightyears behind.
@@stevenvanpelt486 Not having to pay. That's it.
It's not the only reason, it's the only reason that needs to be given. Plex is built on the back of free, open source software, and charged as though it's not.
I used the Jellyfin official image on unraid docker, but now I changed to the image from nyanmisaka. He is also one of the developers of the project, focusing on hardware acceleration. So many drivers are integrated in his image. This is very nice, especially if you don't know much about how the various drivers should be installed.
In addition, the official image does not integrate the Chinese font library. Even if you set the path of the external font library, the external subtitle file may still not be displayed normally. But he added a Chinese font library to the image, which perfectly solved the problem of subtitle display.
What bothers me now is that the cast introductions are displayed in the wrong language. The preferred language for all my libraries is Chinese, and most of the actors have Chinese introductions on TMDB. But they still show up in English in Jellyfin. This is not a problem for English users, but it is not friendly for non-English users. When I watch a Chinese movie and want to know more about the actors, I can only look it up online because their names and descriptions are in English. I can't even figure out what the corresponding Chinese characters are by the pronunciation of their names.
Big vote for Emby here! Had nothing but issues with plex so moved over to Emby a couple of years ago now. Plex would have constant/random streaming issues to my family members, would miss movies in the library unless the folders were very specifically named and don't even get me started on how useless it was with TV shows. Had zero issues with Emby and the transcoding support seems much better than Plex for various different GPU's.
Question, how well does Emby play with NASs? I am thinking of picking up a computer from work that would be discarded anyways, slap an SSD or 2 in, and see if I can a home server going.
Emby is great, have been using it for years.
@@DrKosmos do you mean playing media back from a NAS or hosting Emby on a NAS? Either way Emby is well supported on most NAS devices. The transcoding capability would depend on the hardware in the NAS. If you mean playing back from a NAS then you would just have to map the NAS as a network drive in windows, or mount it on linux and it's the same as a library on any local disk.
What was your problem with Plex and TV shows? I've had ZERO issues and I'm curious.
@@chrisdsanders missing items in the library. Had so many missing, was the thing that really pushed me to emby. No changes to the folder structure or naming and Emby picked up everything. Along with that my transcoding and streaming issues went away also.
Linus said "doo-doo" at 14:38
Jellyfin has a port for BSD, like many things in bsd. I think it supports hardware acceleration with config (with supported hardware of course).
The problem with native support is dotNet only natively supports Windows, Linux, and MacOS. The port uses a cross compiled version of .Net package I believe, but performs pretty well.
@@densepixel Yep thanks for pointing this out. We're really hampered on BSD by the lack of native tookchains for it from Microsoft. It's possible to do of course but it's some major heavy lifting for the user.
I recently took up Jellyfin, and over all it has been a great experience, had a few minor issues on the rollout but once it was up and runniung and had downloaded metadata and images for all the movies it was great and has been since. Have even set up a cert to allow limited remote access. Yeah I would love if it had some more features and a better UI, but to me those are pretty minor things. In time, I am confident they will be addressed.
I used to use Kodi and after reading the comments of the Plex video I changed over to Jellyfin
Gotta love when you can use custom CSS code to fine tune how everything looks
Been a pretty happy user of Emby. Have life time subscription. Especially happy with the hardware transcoding support. UI and playback can be a bit buggy at a times. But especially while being locally connected, playback is fast and responsive.
Offline media download has been a bit buggy for me, but I didn't have problems with it using the stable version of Emby. The latest beta did have some problems.
Also quite neat to note is the Jellyfin for Kodi Addon which I use. This way you can use the superiority of the Kodi player on most devices alongside your synced Jellyfin library. So basically once you watch something using Kodi on your Android TV, Phone or similar the progress is automatically synced to the main Jellyfin instance. Furthermore you can manage your library in Jellyfin (adding movies, tagging stuff, adjusting progress) and then once you open Kodi on any device it will sync with that library. Also allows you to use the more advanced Kodi playback features, support for Dolby Vision/Atmos, custom skins and so on and forth. It is a bit hacky to set up but once done works like a charm!
Substitute EMBY for JF and that describes the way I have mine setup. Like you said, works like a charm. Funny thing is I didn't like the Emby UI which is why I use Kodi yet when I found the Embuary skin for Kodi.. that's what I use. :)
I was wondering if that is a thing - will look into that, thx! (As of now: KODi only, working fine)
Can you compare it to PlexKodiConnect (PKC)? It's what I've been using and I'm thinking about switching to Jellyfin.
From what I've read so far it works the same way. Library syncs and the (plex) media server local paths are substituted by network location paths so all Kodi sees is that there is file X located at Y on network and that's it. Works (almost) like every other library. It's just that scraping is not a thing. So with the initial sync via PKC it's getting the base metadata from the PMS. I.e. I don't have IMDB ratings unless my skin is triggering a plugin to fetch that. But there are many skins out there that do so I can have alle the ratings :)
@@Prophes0r How is the kodi player not superior? Plex can't even play ISO files. It can't do double layer DV, it can't do true Atmos and it does not allow for many player specific settings that Kodi has.
@@TheExplodingCore It is basically the same with the added bonus that Jellyfin indexes ISO files which then can be played in Kodi. Furthermore instead of network path substitution the addon also allows for transcoded streaming thriugh jellyfin. That is slower though and drops ISO support. So in my case not necessary since the network paths are available to my devices.
Finally, an ltt video that's labeled enough to know what I'm getting. I had to take LTT off my notification because they expect everyone subscribed to watch every jank video they throw out with the worst click bait titles. It's a complete disregard for their viewers time. I only look at the ltt channel like once a month now when I have nothing left to watch to see if anything is labeled as something I'm interested in. Good video, although it seems like more of a rant but I didn't know about jellyfin before it.
I’ve been using Emby for free for almost 2 years now and I love it. Since I’m not on a subscription there are some features that I don’t have, but overall it’s been a very smooth and enjoyable experience. I’ve tried both Plex and Jellyfin, but I prefer Emby over both.
Most Emby users do, and once you get the paid version along with an IPTV service it will be the only video streaming service / app you ever need.
@@EagleMitch agreed. Emby Premiere and IPTV is where it’s at!!
I run all 3 on my media library, and each have their pros and cons, but I tend to prefer Emby. It's similar to Jellyfin, but a little more stable, consistent and snappy than Jellyfin. Jellyfin has a couple of issues - slightly longer load times for larger libraries, along with pagination, which is annoying compared to Emby's fast-loading scrolling. Plus Jellyfin sometimes has issues with Albums appearing correctly (if you have music there too). Jellyfin on the other hand is easier to customise if you are into that. Personally I use Emby 95% of the time, but when I have issues I just switch to one of the others. You don't really need to choose just one. It's great that the options are out there and they are pushing each other to improve.
I really like this comparison style. It makes it easier to understand the pros and cons
Can Plex be used without an active internet connection, like Jellyfin can? The entire point is being able to still watch something on my smart TVs when the internet goes down.
Yes, as long as you're on the same network as your server
I run both Emby and Jellyfin but I mostly use Emby just solely for the stability, fixes, support & plugins that Jellyfin has yet to catch up on. It's a really good middle point till Jellyfin gets better imo.
I also run them side by side.
Jellyfin to me is still the unpolished version of Emby. The way they add features reminds me a little of Plex. Sure they add them sooner like intro skip rather than getting the clients to a better standard.
Maybe in the future Jellyfin will surpass it.
I run both Emby and Plex with Lifetime License on both of them, I like Plex but sometimes it is heavier on bandwidth so it won’t load videos on LTE. I’ve used Emby for about 8 years, and Plex for about 2. Emby is a much more cleaner and simpler UI, I looked into Jellyfin but I was already using Emby, seeing how it is just a washed down “branch” off of Emby, I didn’t even finish with the SetUp.
Thank you Linus. I have been a long term user of Plex and downloading the kids movies onto their iPads is an essential component of Plex that continues to be a nightmare.
Please keep pushing them to finally get this fixed instead of wasting time on all this extra crap that no one wants. Just make a good media consuming app that works off line. It’s my media let me watch it the way I want without glitches and headaches!
Went from Plex to Emby a bit more than a year ago. I was using Plex for more than 5 years and had lots of frustration like you. So I found Emby, tried it one time on Android and Apple device, it works just fine. Same setup than any other, you can chose multiple plugins (like open subtitle or movie database) to intergrate, I'm happy with it and it's perfect for my usage. I'm eager to try Jellyfin, but Emby meet all my expectation
Jellyfin is a fork of Emby, right as emby went closed-source proprietary. If you like emby, you'll love jellyfin.
You can run all 3 on the same server with the same libraries. So there is no "hassle" to transfer over. Just set all 3 up. Use them a bit, and see which you prefer.
Do you mean jellyfin, plex, and emby?
That's interesting! I'll probably do that, and then test drive all three options.
@@Agonylord52 Yup. Just install them all, point them to the same library folders, and they will all work side by side, creating their own metadata.
Correct. I'm doing this now just to compare. Jellyfin is the one I usek, as Plex's UI bugs me and I haven't paid for Emby Premiere so it's very limited in comparison.
I went for Jellyfin by default because it is free and does not lock any features behind a paywall. It does a good enough job for me.
Been running jellyfin for over 2.5 years and I have loved it, it's just that a dedicated home media library. Love it!!! App support is even getting better, findroid and swiftfin are really great. It's also easy to run in k8s. :) There is another one in the works called dim, written in rust, it's very very new! It's pretty cool though as well.
I love that even as they were writing this video, Jellyfin was busy updating and releasing new features. Swiftfin now has intro skipper support is just one of many. I love being a part of the FOSS world.
You touched on a point that I brought up on their forums, user chosen quality gets set back to max after next episode. That and transcoding being the default option for all new users is a pain.
Oh right, can't forget the part where a Plex Employee would rather argue semantics than find a solution to an issue. A pre-processed low-quality version of a file is not visible in the transcode options list.
Transcoding by default is a major annoyance
OMG! Thank you for this Linus! I tell people why I dropped Plex because of the bugs and they raise an eyebrow like I'm a conspiracy theorist and deny issues. I've experienced so many bugs with Plex that I kept expecting it with Jellyfin, but so far it just keeps working as intended! It's so refreshing and I'm so pleased. Sure some of the features you mentioned would be good but the basics are solid and that's really the most important thing before adding features and more bugs!
I've been using Jellyfin for months now and I've been loving it. I mainly use it for music, along with Finamp so I can download playlists onto my phone to listen to offline. Never have to deal with RUclips deleting a random song from my playlist ever again
I have used Emby for a while now and I am loving it. I have had no issues with it whatsoever and ended up buying the lifetime license :) I can recommend trying it.
Same! been using it for years with 0 issues!
How does it compare to Jellyfin? I know it has more features but if you've used both, how much better do you think it is exactly?
@@iamvinku I started on Plex, switched to Emby around 2018 when Jellyfin was forked. Since then it feels like the Jellyfin team spent most of the time trying to figure out the Emby code, whereas the Emby team just kept updating and making changes. As a long term Emby user, installing Jellyfin feels like going back in time to an old version. That and the client apps are very very very basic (and not in a good way) compared to the Emby client apps, but that may be a personal preference.
@@knoctum7863 100% agree with you, yes I do pay £5/mo for emby premiere but i find it worth it for the features it gives me. Used to use plex and then when i switched to emby i didnt feel like i lost anything but looking at jellyfin, feel like an older version of emby as you said. The only issue iver ever had is with downloading, not that they dont downlaod, just that the UI doesnt update with the download % but once its done it will be there
The beautiful thing about open source is that with enough time it will overtake all competition. Opensource by nature doesn't get worse it only ever gets better it may be slow but it's coming for everyone.
I'm actually trying Emby for the first time and I find it better when talking about transcoding options. One thing that's making me think of switching to Emby is the ability to not transcode the video output when the audio track has to be transcoded but the movie has subtitles. In this case Plex will transcode video to sync the text with the transcoded audio source to burn them in again, while Emby has a neat little option to extract subtitles on the fly that should prevent video transcoding. It does says that the playback could stall during the extraction process but so far I've never experienced any hiccup with a bunch of movies I tried. I'm not that much into other features Linus mentioned (like offline mode and intro skip) and I'm barely scratching the surface of what Emby can do, but I'll surely try jellyfin before buying an Emby license. One great thing about Emby though is that it has an app for every device you want
This reminds me of imgur. It was a great place to easily/quickly upload images, make albums, add descriptions to pictures/albums. Easily to simple image edits (crop, rotate, add text). Then as they ramped the monetization up, those features slowly got more annoying to access/use.
I've been using Emby for years now. I've liked them so much I ended up taking over development of one of their popular plugins.
Most of the issues you stated with Plex and the short comings with Jellyfin aren't an issue with Emby.
I did find it surprising that Emby's community is (at least listed as) smaller than Jellyfin's, given that Jellyfin came from Emby.
From what I've heard the Emby devs are toxic so when they went closed source and Jellyfin forked off of the then-latest Emby code many former Emby users jumped ship. It was an easy jump too as the Emby app actually worked with Jellyfin servers at the start.
Also, allegedly, Emby Prime/Premire's license terms state that they can make you pay for an upgrade if you want to but I never cared to verify this as I don't use Emby.
I wasn't around when they forked. But my experience with the devs and the community as a whole has been overwhelmingly positive.
As for the license thing, I don't know about that. Never read it. I have upgraded but hardware and software multiple times since buying a lifetime license. And they haven't asked for more money yet.
@@hackthis02 Well if you weren't around back then it's possible that devs have changed out and they're much better now, because back then that was a sticking point with the community.
@@antikommunistischaktion I was there around 3 years before they forked. I don't see a difference. I think they are very helpful on the forums and go out of their way to help you.
I have a lifetime pass for Plex, but I concurrently run Jellyfin on my server for those "just in case" moments when Plex authentication "breaks".
What I LOVE about Plex is PlexAmp. Such an awesome player. Big music fan here.
PlexAmp, it really whips the Llamas ass!
I agree there the only real reason I keep plex is because of the native Xbox app and plex amp. Really like that player and the last main reason I keep it is because of the lack of freebsd support.
I personally don't use my media servers for music, however, there's a 3rd party app for Jellyfin called Finamp, which is being actively developed
If i had money to store that much stuff and wasn't a basement dwelling hikikomori I would def try this.
Pretty great summary of the Plex situation. I'll add that if you watch a lot of content with subtitles, it's always a gamble on whether it will transcode or not even if the client should be able to direct play...or even if it will play at all !
If you add online subtitles it needs to transcode to add it, you are then reliant on the device doing the transcode. If you transcode the subtitles into the video to begin with plex has no issue with direct playing subtitles.
@@nsxxtreme This is false. It's client dependent. My 2019 LG C8 Plex app WILL transcode if you enable PGS subtitles on a HVEC h265 10-bit video, but on the Nvidia Shield Pro, Android, iOS, desktop client, etc it will direct play just fine. Jellyfin has the same sort of issue where its native apps will direct play fine (although in the AndroidTV one you need to change the player to libvlc, as the default one will force a transcode) but the ones that are basically just wrapping a browser and the web interface will transcode.
After using Plex for a few years and having some recurring frustrations with getting a custom scanner working, I gave Jellyfin, Emby, and Kodi a fair shake.
I returned to using Plex primarily out of a preference for its interface and overall reliability for out-of-home streaming. None of the others did anything *better* or added anything that I didn't already have in Plex via an addon. And for as much bloat as there is in Plex, I find that there are a number of (perhaps semi-extraneous) features I enjoy, which aren't present on the other three.
You also forgot to mention that you need a plex account to connect to your plex server, meaning that if plex servers are down, you can’t access your library. And you can kind of bypass this with a hidden feature for your local network but it isn’t always working. I learnt that the hard way, that’s why I switched to Jellyfin a while back and don’t regret it.
This has been my biggest issue. It's only happened once for me, but not having fully offline access is a huge problem, IMO.
You also need a working Internet connection for plex apps to work typically, the dlna fall back option typically doesn't work on such devices.
Yep switched to JF in the summer, never going back. Also, Infuse on iOS kicks ass (even though it costs $10/year). The downloading for offline watching has been flawless for me across multiple devices, an absolute gamechanger if you travel a lot
I switched from Plex to Emby in 2018. I tried out jellyfin for a bit but it was missing some stuff (native apps and such mentioned in the video.) I definitely recommend Emby over both Jellyfin and Plex as long as you don't care about the FOSS part.
I agree. I would also recommend Jellyfin to a person who needs an off the grid solution like living on a oil rig for months where you don't have internet access.
You know what pushed me to trying out Jellyfin? Plex *still* hasn't added a playback speed control, despite it being a years and years old feature request. The official docker image install was slick and easy, LDAP was easy to set up, and it Just Works with my Nginx Proxy Manager installation. I'm happy with the switch, and I am also a lifetime Plex Pass holder.
Time for an update, maybe? Thanks.
I heard of Jellyfin last month, but was like "I have Plex, so I don't need it", but learning today that it is OPEN-SOURCE (and being a massive fan of such things), I'm now like "This changes everything"... So I'm probably going to implement it when I deploy my NAS/Storage Server later this year... 😅
I absolutely love Emby. I started on plex years ago and had a whole lot of issues with it to the point i said screw it and went looking for alternatives. At the time Emby was still relatively new but it was almost on feature parity with plex and i had an easier time getting it set up and working on all my devices. A few years later i bought Emby premier lifetime and haven't been disapointed about it once. As for jellyfin it never managed to pull me away from emby. Beacause they forked from emby right when emby went closed source and did some rewrite they have been constantly trying to catch up and I am not sure they ever will
My experience too. I move from plex after big problems with aaaaalways buffering over remote access with every media that has bitrate more than like 10mbit (i never found out if it was plex fault or my ISP, but i gave up after maybe of 1 month of testing...).
After instaling of emby everything work like charm. Then i buy premier and never look back.
What realy suprise me, that even on non official device like tizen tv, there is a app that you just install from usb and... it work...
The thing with open-source software is that the community can write the changes themselves, propose it to the original project (pull request) then the devs need to just look through the code then approve it, and that way, everyone benefits from the new features, the community member gets listed as contributor, and the devs can continue their regular day job. This is more of a volunteering thing though, but it's cool to know that it's possible!
@linus tech tips
if you want it so bad MAKE IT
The community Can. That does not mean the community Will. Open source is not magic pixie dust. To paraphrase Ghandi, "You must be the Free Software developer that you wish to see in the world." You must be that developer, because I will not.
@@arthurofcharn Hey, if someone is super annoyed with a feature it's possible that they might just fix it themselves. Maybe…
I haven't used the software yet so I don't have any features I'm annoyed with. But there are things I helped with in other projects
i havve been using emby for 5 or 6 years with a lifetime licence. i never had an issue or a complaint. although my use may differ . but i use it on the plane. loaded my music to listen in the car, and watch on tv. works great. even set it up with https private domain. so i can view it from every where. works great. subtitles download is kind of working. although i dont use it that much
I started out on Plex and they kept getting progressively worse. They have a lot of streaming channels that I never used. When they required a purchase of a separate app to stream music, I was done. I went to Emby and have been very satisfied with them. The only problems I've had have been just me not doing a complicated setup correctly but I corrected some port forwarding and I'm having no issues. They are fast and responsive with excellent quality. I've got a Lifetime Emby sub and don't miss Plex in the least.
Emby is my daily driver for over a year now on my server. And while it might not be perfect, it is the best option I have tried thus far, since firing Plex.
I’ve been using Emby for years and very happy with it.
Maybe it’s worth a try?
FYI, you can try it, just purchase one month and then cancel.
I switched to jellyfin almost a year ago after using plex for about one month. Had some problems with media detection at first but after renaming some folders it worked flawlessly
I am using Jellyfin and found it pretty easy to use! Set it up to surprise my wife for Christmas with the entire series of The Office and it works pretty great!
The roku app is very basic and is missing a ton of features you get with the web and app versions but it works well enough. Auto play doesn’t work for me but I don’t know if that’s because of my episode titles or a plugin i need. Plug and play it works but the customization is a bit overwhelming. But all in all, I would definitely recommend it!!
I set up my first media server a month ago. Decided to go with Jellyfin because it seemed like self-hosted media was just an afterthought with Plex, after they're done shilling live TV, Plex Pass, etc. For a FOSS solution, it blew past my expectations. Great option if you have simple requirements and don't need your content on the go.
Even if you need your content on the go, Jellyfin can have you covered there although you may need to spend some time learning how to setup personal VPN and such. I realize that not everyone wants to even learn how to do that but with things like ngrok and tailscale, it is ridiculously simple to setup remote access to one's own media server.
I didn't even notice that they actually started including the actual topic of the video and not just the clickbait title, mad respect
This was honestly a great video, one of the best of this year they've done
Open source will always be a based way to go about anything. Looking at you, Blender
Open source will always be THE based way to go about anything. FTFY
@@saulgoodman2018 But it does mean it is BASED
@@saulgoodman2018 Yeah. It usually means it's worse.
kodi, radarr, sonarr, etc!
@@saulgoodman2018 it's a joke, don't bother
I use Emby with Kodi, have not regretted it. Could recommend checking it out. Devices I use it on: Macbook, Android Tablet, iphone, WIndows PC, android TV (Philips). Emby is running on my UnRaid and is used as a database for Kodi.
Kodi is great
Kodi is a stand alone, how does it use Emby as a db?
Jellyfish seems to implement or fork Emby if I remember correctly.
As long as no Tizen or WevOS supported it is not attractive
@@ligametis jellyfin has tizen and webos client it seems from a quick Google search.
I have been using Emby for 2 + years and love it, can you review it?
When it comes to organizing your libraries so both Jellyfin and Plex are happy, Sonarr for TV, Radarr for Movies and Lidarr for Music are great software. It can do a little bit more than that (Arr), but that's not the important part.