It's amazing how much storage has changed since around 2008. I worked in a data-center back then and the thought of having all this storage transferring so fast was straight up science fiction. I still work with a bunch of OLD tech still running Server03 and wish I could play around with all this new stuff.
You mention how much it's changed since 2008 - but the comparison of the '60s to now is what blows me away. 10 megabyte hard drives used to be the size of whole bedrooms and were $10,000 (excluding inflation adjustment); meanwhile, today you can buy a 256GB MicroSD card that's actually reliable for $25. 💀
In 2005 our college spent a fortune on the Avid Unity server. 16 250GB drives of storage per rack. (More racks of 16 drives were eventually added) Everyone got a login for a virtual drive. Could share projects to edit at the same time with other students. Crazy with 4k 60p raw video one person could use all of that data fast. LOL
Is Jake like the GOAT or something? I see him in a ton of videos and he just looks like a super chill dude that knows a crap ton about literally everything.
I have set up a DIY NAS 5 Years ago in my office besides many power failures due to no UPS it still works great. Kudos to NAS team for freely available this legendary software to the world.
It surprises me that Mark hadn't built a PC before this, he built a rover on Mars before a computer, and he's definitley technically qualified to do that lol
You'd be surprised. I work in IT and I've met programmers who simply don't want to deal with the hardware or software side of things. One of them has never built or fixed computers before. There are some folks who are super smart and creative when designing complex stuff, but don't want to deal with the lifeblood of their work (computers). In Mark's case, I imagine he didn't want to tackle this himself because he doesn't want to make costly mistakes that hinder his teams productivity.
Adding a small fan to an HBA is not as optional as one might assume. I was getting random parity errors in unraid until I added a small fan to the heatsink on the HBA. The disks checked out fine but kept getting errors, sometimes more, sometimes less. And now after adding the fan its fine. Similar to Gen5 M.2 controllers, sometimes heat just makes for errors even tho it still "works". Obviously case airflow will play a role as well.
@@australianpanda2713 Linus created a RUclips channel with millions of viewers where the craziness comes to play with PC gear. Tech/entrepreneur genius that finds creative way to keep it fun.
We just like it because we are being tech geeks. This is about the most boring thing imaginable for someone who isn't. In fact I have dipped back in to learn enough to make a buying decision, then I'll not watch another second of this content for another 5- 10 years.
I have watched a ton of these, and finally this one is EXACTLY what I needed explored - a maximalist one-box NAS. Thank you. I will note that for those who aren't in this price bracket but need hundreds of terabytes, you can get a used 16-port HBA, the Adaptec 71605, for $40 plus a $10 aftermarket blower plus $50 in cables. And that you can get 18tb factory reconditioned drives from serverpartsdeals for $180.
Used drives are "fine" as long as you're ok with that level of risk tolerance... or buy so many that a few lemons (and the time lost rebuilding the array) will be an inconvenience at worst
@@LiveType...given that in places like central-eastern europe where I live temps can get up to 30°C to 35°C in the summer these days, and that a good chunk of the US can be worse than that, that sounds like a really tall order unless you can put the setup in a very tightly air conditioned room and out of the light entirely... I'm not saying you're wrong, you're probably right, but... I think the 50°C rating is just a more realistic take here lol, otherwise people would think normal living spaces quite likely too hot.
There are different tiers of used drives; "Manufacturer recertified" shipped in appropriate packaging is from some people's perspective better than brand new, because it's dipped into the U-shaped failure curve past the initial electrical & mechanical duds. Thus far, no failures.
I absolutely love how supportive you guys are of each other! ❤ That kind of ethos is why I spend my time watching RUclips now and don’t send much time on Facebook or Twitter anymore.
Me too man the toxic atmosphere of social media is heartbreaking but I've found even when there's a misunderstanding on YT a simple "my bad" and explanation of meaning most of the time people are cool of course like everything there's always bad apples
I really love how you purchased used CPU's. I find people are so worrisome about buying second hand hardware, but theres a lot of deals to be had, and a lot of stuff that really would struggle to be a bad purchase unless it was overpriced.
People like me are just scared to get things that dont last long, are dustu, are not clean, have a backdoor installed, just name the craziest things but some are real concerns i got scammed 8 times for 3060/2060 gpus for a pretty good used price of around 250-300, in my country a new 3060 is 400+. I got all from different sellers of different countries that told they cared for them realy well and i also checked them and they were, no dust not realy any scratches nor damaged pcbs but they all died after a week of really light gaming, unity games (used them because i already felt not comfortable to run heavy games on them and instead went for unity games that were light on gpus and could even run on intel hd graphics) i also did not even overclock them. I tried contacting the sellers but they all did not respond or some responded but blamed me.
Up until last year I only bought used parts for my PC. Never had a problem and more than one of my old systems are still chugging along at family members houses. Basically bought 2-3 gen older, top end parts for a low price and it all worked well for me, love used parts.
I always love to imagine that Linus has a suitcase somewhere with big red buttons representing every content creator he does a build for, and if they ever do anything extremely bad he has a built in self destruct feature that will just nuke the system.
Wonder why weaponsmanufacurers dont do this. Sell Saudi Arrabia all the Leopard 2s, Eurofighters etc they want. But if they go full ISIS just brick them. (They kind of do. The export specs are always inferiour to the stuff we keep for our own army)
mark rober will forever be a legend. he somehow broke the algorithm with mininal amount of videos the exact opposite what youtube says is better for you to have more.......
Been an advert lurker for years of your content Linus, THIS was one of the best. Build real world high-class configs and you'll have my attention forever. Absolute excellence, I bow to you (and your team)
Having worked in a lot of workstation, server shops, I can definitely say adding the fan to the LSI / Broadcom HBA is a good call. They can definitely be ill served in a warm environment and burn out with just the stock passive coolers. Also most of them are really only spec'd to work in rack mount units that are okay with faster, noisier fans. Very much agree with the RAID config - RAIDZ2 split right down the middle. Has a bit of room to upgrade, thought with just 16 drives max, they can't really upgrade with another 6-wide vdev. Probably need to rely on the back up system then change our the config to like 2 x 8 wide RAIDZ2 and ZFS transfer all the data back then upgrade the next system or something - possibly spin-up an S3 object back before all that is being done - like with Backblaze, etc. Agree, nonetheless as going to 3 x 4-wide probably would hurt more just to save an equal amount of capacity in the future. Otherwise, it may just make more sense to ditch the current chassis to something larger if they ever need it. Also, TrueNAS Core should have worked fine, unsure why SCALE was used - Linux is awesome, Core is the more tested platform, and unless they need Docker or KVM VMs, it would work fine.
The case has room for 18 drives so a third 6wide vdev fits just fine. But the stupid thing is using a 16i hba in the build and only using 4ports of that and connecting 8 drives to the motherboard. I totaly agree with you on the truenas scale choice. But core is sometimes not good with bleeding edge systems and thats what LTT uses mostly. Probably the thats why they using scale because its what they used to.
Could you guys please make a full tutorial series, or lengthy video, with the full installation and configuration procedures, pitfalls, tips for performance, and the setup of extra software like the ones mentioned in this video for syncing and managing, for a setup exactly like this?? Even if Floatplane exclusive (at first?), it would be a HUGE help as reference material for people foraging into trying this by themselves, like me, and such a needed supplement to the forum digging one does have to do. ❤
I remember it being a major component in their Netflix password crackdown workaround video (using it for sending traffic through the main subscriber's house)
The moment they said about syncing without port forwarding I thought tailscale. It's been a game changer for me because it means I can run a Minecraft server on student accommodation internet which I can't port forward on.
Learned about it recently and LOVE it, have it installed on all my PCs including my UnRaid server (as an exit server) to let me connect to network from anywhere.
There was something "back to his roots" about this video for Linus. Like just a techie guy, assembling a computer for someone. Saving the customer a few bucks here and there, and delivering a solid product, without the unnecessary bells and whistles. I realize that was NOT QUITE the reality ("this company gave us or Mark this or that") but it still had that feel.
I built our company off-site storage a few years ago according to older video based on Ryzen 5, and it's been working flawlesly since then. Running Windows 10 and Storage spaces now at 140TB raw capacity.
I love the server build...but, I'm also slightly disappointed that there wasn't any detailed talk about how the Synchronization Between Remote Servers was set up. I was really looking forward to learning about how that was configured.
@@FaisalCyber that would be the upper player then, but tailscale alone only manages the "VPN" between the 2 peers, there must be more to sync the FSes...
How about buying a properly designed server by one of the major oems. Not to mention, no hotswap bays... Not to mention, no redudant power supplies. Not to mention, no hotspares for his disk arrays
@@hiddeninthewires2308 Usecase said proper, rackmount storage servers aren't ideal (one literally in his bedroom, while the other one at the office), redundant PSUs as per the video are noisy af (see prior), and i'm guessing they went more for "future expansion" vs "fill er up right now" Going "proper" would prob cost them way more (redundant power lines either at home / office, dedicated server room with proper cooling, A RACK, etc). So, yeah, it would be ideal to get a 4U storinator, fill er up with 30+ drives (including spares)... but that's probably overkill idk
Using the Meshify 2 for my server. If you're not at the level to rack mount everything, Fractal has some awesome cases for server duty. But it is a shame that they revised the drive mounting in the newer cases. It was much better in the original R7 and I wish they had kept it the same, but I'm guessing they did it to reduce costs. I like the DAS solution... for backup. Trying to find a 1U rack mount 4 bay right now to ditch my two USB3 external backup.
@@sanderdelft I'm thinking more along the lines of the QNAP TL-R400S. The R230 is a bit overkill just for running my backups. Plus it would need to be short depth for my basic rack.
100 percent agree with your decision to move forward with 2 parity disks in a group. Nothing is more stressful than having a large RAID 5 (1 parity disk) sustain a failure and waiting for it to rebuild. The array is under heavy load to do the rebuild and if you built the array with all brand-new disks, this being your first failure, the rest of the disks are now the same age and equally susceptible to failure as the disk that just died. Where-as with the RAID 6 (2 parity disk), if a second disk dies while you're rebuilding, it's going to complete and you get to do it again, but no restore required :)
I just really like it when you do server videos. I always comment to encourage more. And also by the way I can't believe he hasn't found a solution this far into his career. Like all my footage is on external hard drives and SSDs internal external all over the by freaking room. But I've only been added for like a year and a half or something. Storage is a serious problem. I remember my dad seen my problem.... And saying how he thought they had fixed that problem and that drives were way bigger now. I was like yeah it's fixed for a lot of people word documents JPEGs and maybe some PMGs few games or whatever. Like it's fixed for him for sure but this MacBook is 250 gig storage. Lol. Anyways encourage encourage love to see it and as far as big channels you know this one's my favorite.
We used a 50 Mbps lease line for quite a while and we just used set our nas backup to low priority but unlimited speeds. That worked great with our firewall because we were able to use 10 to 11 TB data on the line.
It's awesome having the receiving creator jump on the video call at the end. Adds that extra value of actually talking with the client about the system you built rather than just the theory (though don't get me wrong I still love the theory!). Also Mark Rober is just a champ and you three have good on-camera energy 😄
That is an insane build. Just the motherboard on the build in this video is almost as much as my entire initial build was. The case is a good value though - I went with a Rosewill rack mount style case that could hold 15 drives - if a case like this had been around I'd have likely used it. I built my FreeNAS (now rebranded to TrueNAS) in 2013 for $1,726 CAD with 6 HDDs - then upgraded it in 2016 with more ram, upgraded PSU, an HBA & 6 more drives for $1,572 - it's now been running for 10 years (in 2020 I also replaced the initial 6 drives with larger 8TB drives one at a time to increase the pool size - only took 3-4 days).
I just built my first pc on my own a little while ago (currently using it, it works!), was nervous as hell, trying my best to not breaks anything. And I damn near spit my coffee out watching Linus drop his GPU clip
So forgive my ignorance, but why not just use two 12 bay (or larger) synology NAS servers? Synology lets you connect two NAS units remotely and mirror them, and the cost would be the same or even cheaper depending on what deal you find.
No where near as powerful. Plus this allows to setup VMs with dedicated graphics cards so you could use it as a render server. TLDR this is more upgradable
I have the Fractal Define R7 XL case and it works great for this use case. Word to the wise, get lots of fans. With three 140mm fans and one 120mm fan on the front pulling air in over the drives and three 140mm exhaust fans on the top and back, most of my drives were getting up to 50°C. I added two 140mm and one 120mm fans on the other side of the hard drives and temps dropped down to around 30°C, but the two drives closest to the PSU get pretty hot still since there isn't a lot of airflow down there. My system has 16 5400-7200RPM drives installed, the speed doesn't seem to make a difference on the temps much in this configuration. Opening the front panel up can result in a 2-5°C temp difference on the drives with all these fans, even more so with fewer fans.
Only thing I would be concerned about is how easy it is to identify a failed drive. Redundancy is critical, but so is being able to confidently identify the drive that has failed so it can be replaced. Last thing you want to do is pull the wrong one and have part of the array lose data.
Must be cool to know you’re setting up one of the most valuable things to one of the most successful RUclipsrs and King of RUclips ever. Anyone who values backups know how vital they are. Imagine something awful happens where the backup NAS saves the day! (Of course hopefully it doesn’t happen!)
My Cooler Master HAP has six 6 1/2" drive bays accessible from the side panel, with trays you mount the drives to, but they slide in and have lock down levers and no pesky screws. Then in the front it has six more 6 1/2" bays, that can hold anything with a case, like CD/DVD drives media bays and whatever else they make for them. For storage drives they have trays too, and those slide in and out but and have quick lock/release front panels, and all six can have hot swap panels (came with one that covers 2 drives) mounted to them. That's a total of 12 6 1/2 bays, and with off the shelf 1 X 6 1/2" to 2X 2 1/2" converters it can technically hold 24 drives!🥳
You gotta cut Mark some slack, his mind-set is configured for "out of this world" ideas. He has no time for simple human problems Jk but WHEN DO WE GET DANKPODS GUESTING
@@lorde_spooky except for the fact dabkpods is literally on the other side of the world and flights to and from Canada from Australia are very expensive I live in the same city as dank and it's not cheap to fly to canada
Anybody here ever try fixing a clogged sink and forgot to put a bucket underneath? All technology is like that: straightforward and building upon itself. That's why a NASA engineer needs a Canadian megalomaniac to build a reliable data appliance. Also yes: I wanna see Dankpods spin Noctua fans so hard that they play Scarlet Fire. Bonus points if Dan has to rig up something to make the fans comply.
Mark Rober should make a donation to True NAS since he is using it for a business and making money. These open source guys deserve support for there hard work. You just don't slam HD into a machine that is raided config. They are numbered and must be installed that way or you lose your data.
Gotta love how mark rober has built robots and mars rovers but still goes to Linus for help with his computer infrastructure. No hate obviously, it's just kinda funny.
I have a nice project for you. Build a family (cloud) NAS. Neatly priced but extendable for later needs in storage (start with one or two drives, add more later w/o swapping the MB or CPU). Give your family an off-site backup solution (pictures from granny, thesis from sister at university etc). Have you own cloud, synced calendars, contacts etc. Easy to use software on the client side („good Wife Acceptance Factor“) and support not only for windows. Maybe a mobile support. I know it’s a big package, but it a challenge after all 😉
I actually have this mobo and cpu for my desktop 😂 I can’t complain its really stable! I love asrock rack and it feels so much nicer than supermicro for quick and easy config
What a team of legends!!! Total game changer for us. I will repay this debt by whatever the top rated comment below this is.
Finally one of my top 10 youtubers getting a proper NAS.
you're awesome!!!!
a huge teddy bear but the belly part is just linus's face so I can finally...
I really enjoy your videos!
Crunchlabs Build Boxes for Linus's kids :)
From working on the Mars Rover to giving the commencement speech at MIT to receiving a custom PC from Linus. This guy has lived!
@@beefbusiness52 Mark rover
@@mastershooter64mars 'robber'
@@beefbusiness52 Ma'k Rover
Mk Robot
Hahahhaa poor Jake. Being his handler must be hard work. 😂
It's amazing how much storage has changed since around 2008. I worked in a data-center back then and the thought of having all this storage transferring so fast was straight up science fiction. I still work with a bunch of OLD tech still running Server03 and wish I could play around with all this new stuff.
I hope you will get a chance to get yourself a pc like that. You seem cool, all the luck😊
You mention how much it's changed since 2008 - but the comparison of the '60s to now is what blows me away. 10 megabyte hard drives used to be the size of whole bedrooms and were $10,000 (excluding inflation adjustment); meanwhile, today you can buy a 256GB MicroSD card that's actually reliable for $25. 💀
In 2005 our college spent a fortune on the Avid Unity server. 16 250GB drives of storage per rack. (More racks of 16 drives were eventually added) Everyone got a login for a virtual drive. Could share projects to edit at the same time with other students. Crazy with 4k 60p raw video one person could use all of that data fast. LOL
Mark using external hard drives and Dropbox as storage solutions is the most engineering thing I've ever heard
"You don't need a Ferrari to drive to the grocery store" was also a peak engineer analogy
In a Tupperware enclosure! 🤣
LMFAO I was thinking that too when they mentioned it
@@FectacularSpail highest strength level for protection per dollar
The most BAD engineering thing.
Can you pretty please build us a computer too, Linus? 🙏
I can only imagine the processing power it takes to make black midi
Piano Tiles RTX On 😂
half piano half pc would be awesome
Instead of a keyboard use the piano keys, and put the pc inside.
Use a (piano) keyboard as the case and don’t hold back on the RGB
Linus being tech support for other youtubes is probably some of my favorite content.
It’s so nice to see Linus and his husband working together to help small creators like Mark.
HAHAHAHA
I thought that was his wife's boyfriend
Marko has more subs than Linux; a simple Google search and you would have known that.
@@wooshbait36 Linux is also called Linus, and Marko is called Mark. A simple Google search and you would have known that
@@Abel_DG read his username, you just got got
The video tags include "mark rober has too much money" LOL
How do you see the tags?
💀💀💀
@@Proprogrammer001 they probably used the Social blade extension
not if he was using dropbox
@@Proprogrammer001Desktop website has them just under the video player.
Is Jake like the GOAT or something? I see him in a ton of videos and he just looks like a super chill dude that knows a crap ton about literally everything.
Mark and Linus are literally just two dads conversing 😂
my exact thought watching it
Mark rover is a NASA climate alarmist Democrat. How dare you support him. He deserves jail
@chimney4yes. Linus has three. Mark has one. I have two lol.
@@M4rio21literally nobody cares how many kids you have.
@@Shepardofmanand we dont care that u reply
The added bonus of having everything organized and easy to work with is that once you've done it, it becomes way easier to keep it that way.
I have set up a DIY NAS 5 Years ago in my office besides many power failures due to no UPS it still works great. Kudos to NAS team for freely available this legendary software to the world.
It surprises me that Mark hadn't built a PC before this, he built a rover on Mars before a computer, and he's definitley technically qualified to do that lol
I’m sure he has but speccing this one would be better to outsource to someone with more specialism like linus so that mark can focus on his own vids
A lot of times people just aren't interested in the process, it's just not their interest.
@@IIGraViteIIYeah, makes sense. His videos take a crap ton of time to formulate, on top of having a company and a family to raise
You'd be surprised. I work in IT and I've met programmers who simply don't want to deal with the hardware or software side of things. One of them has never built or fixed computers before. There are some folks who are super smart and creative when designing complex stuff, but don't want to deal with the lifeblood of their work (computers).
In Mark's case, I imagine he didn't want to tackle this himself because he doesn't want to make costly mistakes that hinder his teams productivity.
@@IIGraViteIII read socialism at first lol 😅
Adding a small fan to an HBA is not as optional as one might assume. I was getting random parity errors in unraid until I added a small fan to the heatsink on the HBA. The disks checked out fine but kept getting errors, sometimes more, sometimes less. And now after adding the fan its fine. Similar to Gen5 M.2 controllers, sometimes heat just makes for errors even tho it still "works". Obviously case airflow will play a role as well.
The chemistry between Mark and Linus is terrific, two genius creatives that get each other, we need more of them together on a project.
Really? I thought the interaction felt seriously awkward.
How is Linus remotely as genius or creative 😅
@@australianpanda2713 Linus created a RUclips channel with millions of viewers where the craziness comes to play with PC gear. Tech/entrepreneur genius that finds creative way to keep it fun.
@@TobyCatVAthat doesn't make him a genius. Apparently for you the standard for genius is really low.
We just like it because we are being tech geeks. This is about the most boring thing imaginable for someone who isn't. In fact I have dipped back in to learn enough to make a buying decision, then I'll not watch another second of this content for another 5- 10 years.
I have watched a ton of these, and finally this one is EXACTLY what I needed explored - a maximalist one-box NAS. Thank you. I will note that for those who aren't in this price bracket but need hundreds of terabytes, you can get a used 16-port HBA, the Adaptec 71605, for $40 plus a $10 aftermarket blower plus $50 in cables. And that you can get 18tb factory reconditioned drives from serverpartsdeals for $180.
Considering I just bought new 18TB reds with 5 year warranty for $240 USD / $319 CAD. That "deal" is not worth it.
Used drives are "fine" as long as you're ok with that level of risk tolerance... or buy so many that a few lemons (and the time lost rebuilding the array) will be an inconvenience at worst
I ain't reading allat lil'bro but good luck 🙏
@@LiveType...given that in places like central-eastern europe where I live temps can get up to 30°C to 35°C in the summer these days, and that a good chunk of the US can be worse than that, that sounds like a really tall order unless you can put the setup in a very tightly air conditioned room and out of the light entirely... I'm not saying you're wrong, you're probably right, but... I think the 50°C rating is just a more realistic take here lol, otherwise people would think normal living spaces quite likely too hot.
There are different tiers of used drives; "Manufacturer recertified" shipped in appropriate packaging is from some people's perspective better than brand new, because it's dipped into the U-shaped failure curve past the initial electrical & mechanical duds. Thus far, no failures.
Mark Rober seems like a pretty smart guy. He should try getting a job at NASA!
Say, it's a surpise he hasn't worked there before...
Yeah! I’ll bet he could build the next Mars rover!
He worked at JPL which is a PART of NASA, in 2004, a simple search of Wikipedia page and you would have known.
Mark Rover
@@quantumleaper a simple few seconds to process the joke works as well!
I absolutely love how supportive you guys are of each other! ❤
That kind of ethos is why I spend my time watching RUclips now and don’t send much time on Facebook or Twitter anymore.
Me too man the toxic atmosphere of social media is heartbreaking but I've found even when there's a misunderstanding on YT a simple "my bad" and explanation of meaning most of the time people are cool of course like everything there's always bad apples
I really love how you purchased used CPU's. I find people are so worrisome about buying second hand hardware, but theres a lot of deals to be had, and a lot of stuff that really would struggle to be a bad purchase unless it was overpriced.
People like me are just scared to get things that dont last long, are dustu, are not clean, have a backdoor installed, just name the craziest things but some are real concerns i got scammed 8 times for 3060/2060 gpus for a pretty good used price of around 250-300, in my country a new 3060 is 400+. I got all from different sellers of different countries that told they cared for them realy well and i also checked them and they were, no dust not realy any scratches nor damaged pcbs but they all died after a week of really light gaming, unity games (used them because i already felt not comfortable to run heavy games on them and instead went for unity games that were light on gpus and could even run on intel hd graphics) i also did not even overclock them. I tried contacting the sellers but they all did not respond or some responded but blamed me.
Up until last year I only bought used parts for my PC. Never had a problem and more than one of my old systems are still chugging along at family members houses. Basically bought 2-3 gen older, top end parts for a low price and it all worked well for me, love used parts.
I always love to imagine that Linus has a suitcase somewhere with big red buttons representing every content creator he does a build for, and if they ever do anything extremely bad he has a built in self destruct feature that will just nuke the system.
Now, did that happen to pewdiepies' pc? What did Felix do to get on Linus bad side 🤔
Björn
@@klaudijus3897From what I remember pewdiepie's PC got destroyed from shipping right?
Wonder why weaponsmanufacurers dont do this. Sell Saudi Arrabia all the Leopard 2s, Eurofighters etc they want. But if they go full ISIS just brick them.
(They kind of do. The export specs are always inferiour to the stuff we keep for our own army)
@@emergcon if they really did do that, how would we know? wouldn't they want to keep that a secret?
mark rober will forever be a legend. he somehow broke the algorithm with mininal amount of videos the exact opposite what youtube says is better for you to have more.......
Been an advert lurker for years of your content Linus, THIS was one of the best. Build real world high-class configs and you'll have my attention forever. Absolute excellence, I bow to you (and your team)
Mark’s productivity will increase so much that he’ll be able 2 videos a year.
Trash ♻️ English
He actually has been making more videos this year
+100%
Let's goooo!!!! Again!!!!? 😂😂😂😂😂
Having worked in a lot of workstation, server shops, I can definitely say adding the fan to the LSI / Broadcom HBA is a good call. They can definitely be ill served in a warm environment and burn out with just the stock passive coolers. Also most of them are really only spec'd to work in rack mount units that are okay with faster, noisier fans.
Very much agree with the RAID config - RAIDZ2 split right down the middle. Has a bit of room to upgrade, thought with just 16 drives max, they can't really upgrade with another 6-wide vdev. Probably need to rely on the back up system then change our the config to like 2 x 8 wide RAIDZ2 and ZFS transfer all the data back then upgrade the next system or something - possibly spin-up an S3 object back before all that is being done - like with Backblaze, etc.
Agree, nonetheless as going to 3 x 4-wide probably would hurt more just to save an equal amount of capacity in the future. Otherwise, it may just make more sense to ditch the current chassis to something larger if they ever need it.
Also, TrueNAS Core should have worked fine, unsure why SCALE was used - Linux is awesome, Core is the more tested platform, and unless they need Docker or KVM VMs, it would work fine.
The case has room for 18 drives so a third 6wide vdev fits just fine.
But the stupid thing is using a 16i hba in the build and only using 4ports of that and connecting 8 drives to the motherboard.
I totaly agree with you on the truenas scale choice. But core is sometimes not good with bleeding edge systems and thats what LTT uses mostly. Probably the thats why they using scale because its what they used to.
I love your videos. Not only do you give Mark an amazing piece of electronic you are giving reasons to why he needs these things. Keep it up Linus!
9:55 Wow! That screwdriver has an awesome price.
Helping fellow youtubers out, a most wholesome and welcome endeavour you lads n lasses do at LTT! Mark is gonna love it.
Could you guys please make a full tutorial series, or lengthy video, with the full installation and configuration procedures, pitfalls, tips for performance, and the setup of extra software like the ones mentioned in this video for syncing and managing, for a setup exactly like this?? Even if Floatplane exclusive (at first?), it would be a HUGE help as reference material for people foraging into trying this by themselves, like me, and such a needed supplement to the forum digging one does have to do. ❤
Hell yes! Finally LTT mentions tailscale... If only they did a deep dive into it. Such an awesome way to do remote management
I remember it being a major component in their Netflix password crackdown workaround video (using it for sending traffic through the main subscriber's house)
@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 I must have missed that part
They mentioned it at 0:37 and then never went into the setup of it, just the name of the service.
Absolutely love tailscale!!
The moment they said about syncing without port forwarding I thought tailscale.
It's been a game changer for me because it means I can run a Minecraft server on student accommodation internet which I can't port forward on.
The fact you call all these channels yours when its your team who helped make this channel. Start showing them appreciation
This video couldn't have came at a better time for me! I'm literally about to build a pair of servers like this
Tailscale is such an awesome piece of software. It makes remote management of servers so easy.
Learned about it recently and LOVE it, have it installed on all my PCs including my UnRaid server (as an exit server) to let me connect to network from anywhere.
Use it to connect to Jellyfin remotely, lol. Love it.
There was something "back to his roots" about this video for Linus. Like just a techie guy, assembling a computer for someone. Saving the customer a few bucks here and there, and delivering a solid product, without the unnecessary bells and whistles. I realize that was NOT QUITE the reality ("this company gave us or Mark this or that") but it still had that feel.
I love all the server content you guys do.
I love how Linus went from building a pc for his daughter to building for huge RUclipsrs like Mark Rober and xQc.
Sure you meant supporting small RUclipsrs like mark rober
@@GeneralS1mbaMark has more subs then Linux
@@GeneralS1mbaor small streamers like Hasan
@@wooshbait36my favorite RUclipsr! Linux
He built one for PewDiePie during COVID
I built our company off-site storage a few years ago according to older video based on Ryzen 5, and it's been working flawlesly since then. Running Windows 10 and Storage spaces now at 140TB raw capacity.
I love the server build...but, I'm also slightly disappointed that there wasn't any detailed talk about how the Synchronization Between Remote Servers was set up. I was really looking forward to learning about how that was configured.
my guess is snapshot syncing over ssh ...
@@KifKroker I mean they explicitly noted some magic that does not need any port forwarding or DNS.... soooo
@@DooMMasteR its using tailscale
@@FaisalCyber that would be the upper player then, but tailscale alone only manages the "VPN" between the 2 peers, there must be more to sync the FSes...
@@DooMMasteR yeah sure, but i just responded to the lack of port forwarding or ddns configuration needed.
Such an intelligent duo. Both great channels, thank you guys for all the amazing videos.
LTT: It needs to be highly reliable.
LTT: Also zip ties a fan to the card
nothing is more reliable than zip-ties my friend
How about buying a properly designed server by one of the major oems.
Not to mention, no hotswap bays...
Not to mention, no redudant power supplies.
Not to mention, no hotspares for his disk arrays
@@hiddeninthewires2308 Usecase said proper, rackmount storage servers aren't ideal (one literally in his bedroom, while the other one at the office), redundant PSUs as per the video are noisy af (see prior), and i'm guessing they went more for "future expansion" vs "fill er up right now"
Going "proper" would prob cost them way more (redundant power lines either at home / office, dedicated server room with proper cooling, A RACK, etc). So, yeah, it would be ideal to get a 4U storinator, fill er up with 30+ drives (including spares)... but that's probably overkill idk
Exactly man that made it more reliable... Otherwise it would have gotten very little air over its heatsink.
They said the magic words.
It ain't going nowhere.
i bet mark's gonna start computing epic stuff for his yt channel
Mark rover is a NASA climate alarmist Democrat. How dare you support him. He deserves jail
*Epyc
@@zNoah Epyc would be great for computing
As an old school PC builder this video sparked some latent ZEST!!
Love how Linus is shouting out small creators! Keep it up!
Never heard of him, but always like a PC build!
Bruh
You're so quirky not knowing him, so cool!
Glad I'm not the only one.
@@Randomoneye LOL, that's literally what I said too. 😂
@@Sonyboj boomer
Bro, I just built a NAS with 20TB. I was so proud of how much space it has, and then you release this.
It is a good think not to buy things you don't need ;)
0:37 The remote setup with no port forwarding never actually got shown. This is the part I was most interested in seeing.
you would need to use vpn
Jake keep impress me with his knowledge day by day, I’m glad he’s Linus’s right hand, he’ll be big one day.
I'm fairly certain he's already quite a lot bigger than Linus (physically, this is a joke :p)
@@pkennethv lol
He's already big... headed... so be careful, your comment could make his head explode
Moving the jumpers tossed me in the 80-90's instantly. 😄
wow the LTT screwdriver is really cheap! 0 dollars is basically a steal!
That's what I came looking for, gotta save that screenshot for the class action when we sue him for false advertising.
@@TripleSuccotash1 Chill dude..😬
@@TripleSuccotash1 hmu when you make millions
Using the Meshify 2 for my server. If you're not at the level to rack mount everything, Fractal has some awesome cases for server duty. But it is a shame that they revised the drive mounting in the newer cases. It was much better in the original R7 and I wish they had kept it the same, but I'm guessing they did it to reduce costs. I like the DAS solution... for backup. Trying to find a 1U rack mount 4 bay right now to ditch my two USB3 external backup.
Dell R230
Hello fellow Meshify 2 server person. I have my Unraid(formerly debian) server in one with a frankly unnecessary(for now) amount of storage.
Meshify is much better. The Define 7 XL runs hot with enterprise hardware
@@sanderdelft I'm thinking more along the lines of the QNAP TL-R400S. The R230 is a bit overkill just for running my backups. Plus it would need to be short depth for my basic rack.
@@ShadowMystic7 Yeah, I'm only populating five of the bays right now in mine.
100 percent agree with your decision to move forward with 2 parity disks in a group. Nothing is more stressful than having a large RAID 5 (1 parity disk) sustain a failure and waiting for it to rebuild. The array is under heavy load to do the rebuild and if you built the array with all brand-new disks, this being your first failure, the rest of the disks are now the same age and equally susceptible to failure as the disk that just died. Where-as with the RAID 6 (2 parity disk), if a second disk dies while you're rebuilding, it's going to complete and you get to do it again, but no restore required :)
$0.00 for the Noctua screwdriver, now that's a bargain!
I just really like it when you do server videos. I always comment to encourage more. And also by the way I can't believe he hasn't found a solution this far into his career. Like all my footage is on external hard drives and SSDs internal external all over the by freaking room. But I've only been added for like a year and a half or something. Storage is a serious problem. I remember my dad seen my problem.... And saying how he thought they had fixed that problem and that drives were way bigger now. I was like yeah it's fixed for a lot of people word documents JPEGs and maybe some PMGs few games or whatever. Like it's fixed for him for sure but this MacBook is 250 gig storage. Lol. Anyways encourage encourage love to see it and as far as big channels you know this one's my favorite.
We used a 50 Mbps lease line for quite a while and we just used set our nas backup to low priority but unlimited speeds. That worked great with our firewall because we were able to use 10 to 11 TB data on the line.
The people in our office did not even notice the nas.
I like how Linus and his crew hit one out of the park for Mark and his team!
It's awesome having the receiving creator jump on the video call at the end. Adds that extra value of actually talking with the client about the system you built rather than just the theory (though don't get me wrong I still love the theory!). Also Mark Rober is just a champ and you three have good on-camera energy 😄
man linus your so lucky you get to build cool computer stuff all the time, its my dream to get access to all that type of hardware one day
Who else doesn't understand what linus is saying but you still wanna watch it
@@quarkfighter4783 you'll eventually start getting everything if you watch him long enough.
The transition from Linus to Jake was smooth. Nice.
That is an insane build.
Just the motherboard on the build in this video is almost as much as my entire initial build was. The case is a good value though - I went with a Rosewill rack mount style case that could hold 15 drives - if a case like this had been around I'd have likely used it.
I built my FreeNAS (now rebranded to TrueNAS) in 2013 for $1,726 CAD with 6 HDDs - then upgraded it in 2016 with more ram, upgraded PSU, an HBA & 6 more drives for $1,572 - it's now been running for 10 years (in 2020 I also replaced the initial 6 drives with larger 8TB drives one at a time to increase the pool size - only took 3-4 days).
I just built my first pc on my own a little while ago (currently using it, it works!), was nervous as hell, trying my best to not breaks anything. And I damn near spit my coffee out watching Linus drop his GPU clip
Lil'bro, nobody asked about your life story lmao. 😂
So forgive my ignorance, but why not just use two 12 bay (or larger) synology NAS servers? Synology lets you connect two NAS units remotely and mirror them, and the cost would be the same or even cheaper depending on what deal you find.
No where near as powerful. Plus this allows to setup VMs with dedicated graphics cards so you could use it as a render server. TLDR this is more upgradable
I have the Fractal Define R7 XL case and it works great for this use case. Word to the wise, get lots of fans. With three 140mm fans and one 120mm fan on the front pulling air in over the drives and three 140mm exhaust fans on the top and back, most of my drives were getting up to 50°C. I added two 140mm and one 120mm fans on the other side of the hard drives and temps dropped down to around 30°C, but the two drives closest to the PSU get pretty hot still since there isn't a lot of airflow down there. My system has 16 5400-7200RPM drives installed, the speed doesn't seem to make a difference on the temps much in this configuration. Opening the front panel up can result in a 2-5°C temp difference on the drives with all these fans, even more so with fewer fans.
The crossover we didn't know we needed
Nah we knew this collab should've happened
0:26 the LTT logo is backwards for what they would want.
My favorite videos are when you help other youtubers get better tech setups.
I'm imagining Marks stack of external hard drives like how Destins (smarter every day) used to be.
Only thing I would be concerned about is how easy it is to identify a failed drive. Redundancy is critical, but so is being able to confidently identify the drive that has failed so it can be replaced. Last thing you want to do is pull the wrong one and have part of the array lose data.
Wait until you hear about the magic of serial numbers!
Even my 4th gen i5 H97 build had an M.2 slot, with x2 NVMe support. :)
Time goes fast.
love the poker face from jake and linus when rober says he still uses dropbox. lol
I like how Mark was sitting at a (seemingly) wooden desk, but picked up his phone to knock on it. lol
He helped design the rover that is going around nonstop on the Nevada desert around area 51 (probably?) that's cool!
Must be cool to know you’re setting up one of the most valuable things to one of the most successful RUclipsrs and King of RUclips ever. Anyone who values backups know how vital they are. Imagine something awful happens where the backup NAS saves the day! (Of course hopefully it doesn’t happen!)
like that one person saving a Pixar movie for example. just because of backing it up. then ending up losing her job regardless of that fact.
King of RUclips? PewDiePie might have a say in that....
10:04 @LinusTechTips I rly want my LTT x Noctua Screwdriver for 0.00$ :)
mark doubled his sub count since this video launched, and in the same time Linus Tech Tips only went up 300K subs.
That was very kind of Mark to have his own camera team with high quality video
Anyone noticed the 00.00$ labeling for the noctua edition LTT screwdriver.
8:43 What kinda phrase is that??????
Fr 💀
More colabs with people like Mark Rober please :) I just love these
You'd expect a NASA SCIENTIST WHO HELPED PUT A ROVER ON MARS would not be editing OFF DROPBOX OF EVERYTHING.
He also worked at apple 😄
@@JanJanJanJanJanJanJanJanJan2 That actually explains it.
Having some experience in that environment, it's exactly what you would expect.
How wholesome, the Noctua LTT Screwdriver costs 0$
Random thing to be impressed by, but in the call at the end, the way they spoke to each other and the camera at the same time was very impressive.
This is exactly how I upgrade my hardware. Last year I got two used 22 core Xeons for my workstation that were less than two years old for $70. 😮
finally a collab where there's no possible way to complain about the creator they're featuring.
It's physically and mentally impossible to not like Mark Rober, like even if you don't like his content there's no way you can't like him as a person
@@thatpandaz6094didn't he make a guy do a stunt, and the guy cracked his skull and broke their ribs and shoulder
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing what?
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoingare
Are you thinking of David dobrik
@@FenixTech10 that's the dude. Yeah my bad
My Cooler Master HAP has six 6 1/2" drive bays accessible from the side panel, with trays you mount the drives to, but they slide in and have lock down levers and no pesky screws. Then in the front it has six more 6 1/2" bays, that can hold anything with a case, like CD/DVD drives media bays and whatever else they make for them. For storage drives they have trays too, and those slide in and out but and have quick lock/release front panels, and all six can have hot swap panels (came with one that covers 2 drives) mounted to them. That's a total of 12 6 1/2 bays, and with off the shelf 1 X 6 1/2" to 2X 2 1/2" converters it can technically hold 24 drives!🥳
Linus is the best, even a space engineer can’t what he does 🔥
You gotta cut Mark some slack, his mind-set is configured for "out of this world" ideas. He has no time for simple human problems
Jk but WHEN DO WE GET DANKPODS GUESTING
Hey, that's actually a pretty good guest idea
Yeah I'm pretty sure he's already one of the biggest creators on floatplane and works with creator wearhouse and shit, it would make sense
@@lorde_spooky except for the fact dabkpods is literally on the other side of the world and flights to and from Canada from Australia are very expensive I live in the same city as dank and it's not cheap to fly to canada
he's coming over for LTX, so at least an appearance is pretty much a given
Anybody here ever try fixing a clogged sink and forgot to put a bucket underneath? All technology is like that: straightforward and building upon itself. That's why a NASA engineer needs a Canadian megalomaniac to build a reliable data appliance.
Also yes: I wanna see Dankpods spin Noctua fans so hard that they play Scarlet Fire. Bonus points if Dan has to rig up something to make the fans comply.
Obviously Mark just goes with the channel with the most subscribers. If you want the real deal, call level 1 techs!
whatever I got a small heart attactk at 4:36.
Cant wait to see small guy like Mark Rober send a nice humble gift to small guy like Linus
Will it come with orange and blue glitter?
Why are you every where mr.berg ?
Waltur
I was thinking of eventually picking up a screwdriver and the Noctua looks great.
"Oh hi Mark"
This is an amazing pc uf only i had one
TrueNAS is one of the most critical components to this build and it was completely glossed over.
I'd love to watch a video about building a PC for a certain turtle with AI coding abilities too. It would be actually messed up 🐢
Linus being useful as usual 🤣
this is such a weird comment
Mark Rober should make a donation to True NAS since he is using it for a business and making money. These open source guys deserve support for there hard work. You just don't slam HD into a machine that is raided config. They are numbered and must be installed that way or you lose your data.
1:22 Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Be Like
Gotta love how mark rober has built robots and mars rovers but still goes to Linus for help with his computer infrastructure.
No hate obviously, it's just kinda funny.
I have a nice project for you.
Build a family (cloud) NAS.
Neatly priced but extendable for later needs in storage (start with one or two drives, add more later w/o swapping the MB or CPU).
Give your family an off-site backup solution (pictures from granny, thesis from sister at university etc).
Have you own cloud, synced calendars, contacts etc.
Easy to use software on the client side („good Wife Acceptance Factor“) and support not only for windows.
Maybe a mobile support.
I know it’s a big package, but it a challenge after all 😉
I actually have this mobo and cpu for my desktop 😂 I can’t complain its really stable! I love asrock rack and it feels so much nicer than supermicro for quick and easy config