This NAS is currently a little pricey all in, but with how quickly NVMe prices are dropping, I think it will make even more sense for those who want a quiet little NAS and don't only need maximum capacity.
I think you're imagining a market for this. The percentage of people that purchases a NAS? 0.2% The percentage of thos that would pay extra for silence? 0.2%. The market for this is apparently 0.02%.
I think you are wrong about it being pricy... its about application. for persons with unlimited space and power there are cheaper options, but the fact this is so small, and power efficient, and for me best of all... shock resistant (ie while going down the road) means this unit is perfect!
This is like SO close (may still be worth it). Loved everything but the processor. I hope there is a Rev 2 with a processor that can last. It's a NAS so it's not something you want to replace in a year or two. I want it for a decade. Everything else is great, but that processor is just gonna get worse and it seems too strained doing some things now. It may certainly be worth it for some people that just want a new NAS and don't stream from it, though. I hope enough people to get an upgraded one. P.S. I would really like LTT too spend more time in the "mid-tier" space again with things like this. It's fun looking at $100,000 servers but it doesn't really help most people and prices are running so high right now, we need more practical idea coverage.
It's really something beyond my understanding how these companies insist on using slow Intel CPUs on these products - did they fall off a truck? Also, the latest N-series processors aren't much faster than the N5105 either.
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@@Gabu_ energy efficiency. These mobile Celerons are great. They have a decent igpu with support for Hardware HDR tone-mapping, the compute power of a 7th gen i3 while sipping power. Compared to the J-series desktop ones they're better in every aspect, but they aren't as popular on desktop board unfortunately.
@ You mean fortunately? They only match the slowest 7th gen i3s performance, and only in multithreading (the i3s are dual cores, a sin in 2023) - keep in mind those same chips still can't match 2nd gen i7s. Sure, for energy starved applications these cpus make sense, but do those 10-20W REALLY warrant giving up on 500% performance or more?
@Péter Friedrich see, is it "energy efficient" or just really underpowered? I don't get how it is more energy efficient to keep the whole system up and waiting on parity calcs and data transfers for twice as long.
Thanks Linus for taking a look at our All-NVMe NAS! It was a pleasure getting this out to you and taking a selfie with you at Computex! If anyone has any comments, questions, praise and criticism, feel free to reply to me and I will reply to you! We do have to notify you that the Flashstor is not drop proof. Thanks again! -Marco.
9:41 Yes, ports can be scanned quickly, but a simple port change keeps a lot of scriptkiddies away. As an example, I had so many attacks on a mysql server that it became unstable. After I changed the port, the server became smooth again.
In fact, asustor just got hacked not long ago with ransomeware attackers attacking the 8001 and 8000 ports with some day 0 vulnerability. Am a victim of the attack. So switching away from these 2 ports somewhat is useful.
Eh not exactly a good practice anyway, since it's only delaying time to get hacked. It's always a good idea to practice defense in depth, like firewall with IP ban/timeout, and definitely not putting vulnerable interface out in open. And of course, *never open RDP at any moment*
How do they keep missing things like this :( I get it that most of the folks there are working at a "media" company, and not a "tech" company, but there's just too many slipups.
@@deadpinY Because they're humans. That kind of mistakes happen in everything written all the time. I'm sure they proof read it with software but that kind of mistake looks to me like a copy paste one
I have a sprinter van with 9 seats that I also live in. I want a file server I don't have to remember to turn off when I hit the road, or for my passengers to access on the road. I will be buying this just for the vibration resistance vs mechanical drives.
Yep it fully supports SSDs correctly outside of the main array. So you can do an xfs, btrs, or ZFS array with ssds. And as of yesterday those arrays can be up to 60 drives!
those subtle banters like at 13:06 are what i live for on this channel. takes away a too serious note in general, jake being just absolutely unbothered and stress-free and linus slowly looking like christian bale in the mechanic because he's the head of everything. a nice clash.
@Synthetic_Future No necessarily... currently sure, but in the next few years I imagine we won't even be using traditional coolers in this unique setups. One avenue is Frore, and with a few years of development, they could like produce a 65w capacity cooler that's literally a couple cm thick on a 4 x 1 inch strip
12:07 .apk isn't just used by Android, Alpine Linux, a distribution used for lightweight servers and docker containers also uses .apk for it's Alpine Package Manager. I think it would make more sense than using the JVM, especially since ASUSTOR packages do have architecture specific variants like a native linux package would.
13:27 My printer's cancel button just locks up the whole machine. The only way to actually cancel something is to unplug it; the cancel button just adds an extra time-wasting step.
this is super cool. would love to see one with a beefier cpu the screwless m.2 quick release is really cool but i would hope that it's a small replaceable part so that if one breaks you don't have to replace the entire thing.
@Scott Myers until you realise that the CPU is only capable of 10gbps… For this type of application you need at least 1 thunderbolt 40gbps port Cus otherwise your stuck using IT instead of an attached device cus that speed sucks Even if it was populated with 12x 512GB drives it would still take at least 102 minutes to read the full capacity and thats assuming it maintains 1GB/s the whole time
My nas is heavily moddified and upgraded and I love it. It's an old HP Mediasmart EX495 that I got on ebay and I upgraded the cpu from a dual core celery stick, to a core 2 quad Q8200. The ram was 2gb of ddr2 but I upgraded to a 4gb stick (max amount). The machine didn't have any output, but I bought a special adapter that fits to the motherboard and gives you a VGA port and added it to the case (dremel work required). I went into the bios and changed the boot disk from one of the hard drive bays to one of the usb ports and installed OpenMediaVault as my operating system so I can utilize all 4 hard drive bays for storage instead of 3. I got 4 2TB seagate hard drives totaling 8TB of storage but set them up in Raid 5 so I get roughly 5.84TiB. Overall, I'm very pleased with the result. I spent much less for the size and quality compared to modern day NAS machines. Obviously not as fast, 1 gigabit, but I also prevented this equipment from becoming e-waste and repurposed it for years to come. It serves as my Jellyfin server and basic file storage across my network. In all, I probably spent around $430.
Sad that unless you want to pay like over $1K you'll get a Celeron or even just an ARM CPU. Why is it so hard to put in an i3 or ryzen 3? Those CPUs are really cheap and so much more powerful... There's no need for i5 and up either. Edit: I think I should add that those ARM CPUs are extremely basic and slow, these Celerons are much better if you have to choose between one or the other. You won't get some flagship snapdragon within any of these pre-built NAS systems.
I actually upgraded my plex server recently from a celeron j5040 machine to a 5600g which now doubles as an office/web surfing and even light gaming pc I just used a cheap b450 board with 4 sata ports and threw in another sata controller for additional drives. - What are you even doing with your life if your library is below 50tb? - Whole build (no drives) in an old and free office case with 3d printed accessories was around 350 Eurodollars including a new psu that is really efficient at low loads. The bequiet purepower 11 400w turned our to be a better choice than most 250w psus, while also not breaking the bank. Idling behaviour is also super chill, as ryzen g is basically a socketed laptop cpu and tuned well for efficiency. Thought of going intel first, but since 12th gen they threw efficiency at idle pretty much overboard for some reason.
If I didn't have a solid NAS already and a requirement for it to be able to run an MC server, I would seriously conisder this for home use. it's small, customizable and has a crapton of capacity. I like it a lot!
In terms of security actually using a different port is a pretty good thing to do for the average home / small office users Bot's frequently scrape the standard ports around the web to see if there is some exploitable software running on the standard ports. By changing the port, you already shake off most broad untargeted attacks on an unsecure system. Of course it's no substitute for security but it most certainly is a good thing to do.
But the bots would have to be inside the LAN to get past your firewall, at which point they are likely on an exploited PC which has access to the NAS shares and your data so you're already screwed.
Over the years I feel like Jake's heckling skills have gotten incredibly good. At the start he was kinda rough and not really funny. But very quickly he became one of the best folks on the team. And these days I'm always really excited to see him in a video because I know its gonna be a great time. I see why Linus married him.
@Linus: unRAID actually supports TRIM by default at least since version 6.11 and I don't mean by any plugins whatsoever. It supports SSD trim out of the box (Settings/Scheduler/Trim). And with official ZFS support coming in the next few days/weeks, whenever the latest RC hits stable, it is now much much better suitable for pure NVMe SSD arrays.
As a full time RV person.. I NEED THIS! ive been looking to build my own SSD based NAS for media storage while RVing and they are all too big.. TELL ME THIS RUNS ON 12v!
@@garrettturner7383 Of course, I just find it easier if its a single voltage through the system.. I usually ad a buck converter for lower than 12v devices any way to be sure that when the voltage dips below 12v, its just a preference
I thought unraid had trim support as of 6.11, also 6.12 (which is at release candidate stage) has native zfs. Makes it a really interesting competitor to truenas now
I like this tech of using m.2's x 12 for a NAS. You really don't need much processing power when you are just using it to view movies on local LAN etc. Nice! Thanks for bringing this to our attention Linus.
yes, but to be fair if all you're doing is watching movies then any ssd, especially nvme drives are extremely overkill. even 4k full quality movies run just fine on a hard drive.
@@fafiteee Sure, but we're hitting the point now where NVMe is reaching parity with spinning rust at the low end. You can buy a 1TB (DRAM-less QLC) NVMe for the same price as a 1TB 2.5" spinner today.
I've built a FANLESS file server with a celeron a couple of years ago. I think it's a better option when you only have space in the living room. if it's really quiet you can hear the two 8 TB WD red tho
@@vadnegru i don't think this system has the cpu power or the pci-e capacity to push those nvme's to get that hot. still, a better cooling is always welcome.
Cheap NAS comparison would be good. So everyone can have their own home NAS. Also explaining drives, the semi uselessness of red drives for home use, etc. Maybe even super nerd version showing how to build one, replace a drive, etc.
I always think it's a shame that you don't cover more consumer NAS hardware. I get that storage servers are much more exciting, but I'd love to know what you'd recommend as a low power, always on consumer grade unit - or at very least how they compare in terms of features/performance etc
What is the use case for a consumer NAS? Why not have your storage on a local machine that is just networked to the rest of your devices as needed instead of having a completely separate unit?
@@Hybris51129 power draw for one. My home NAS is wildly more power efficient than spinning up and running my desktop every time I need to access my files.
@@Hybris51129 A consumer NAS typically uses far less power than a PC, so in places where electricity is expensive they pay for themselves that way. They also typically use a Linux based OS, so configured properly they are more secure to leave connected to your network than say a Windows PC you never look at. Most modern consumer NAS products also have apps on them that are better than the ones you can get on a PC, things like photo management and security NVRs. Most of them are also quieter than a PC, so leaving them running in an office or bedroom is less intrusive. Lots more reasons, but those are a few.
@@Hybris51129 Well. It's easier. If I leave my gaming PC on 24/7, I'm wasting power. At the same time, a small machine that uses little power, whether it's a prebuild like ours or a DIY solution, can be on to do the scheduled backups needed of my data to keep data protected while my daily driver rig is turned off.
Would love to have one of these but for something insignificant because if i get myself a decent HDD(s), PSU and UPS (with pure sine wave output, surge protection, noise suppresion and good avr, basically things you should be doing with this anyway) on a custom NAS build, you are unlikely to have drives fail, and there is no write limit and data is far easier recoverable than this if an NVME fails.
I do have a Raspberry PI SSD NAS with Open Media Vault. The only files on the NAS are just rips of DVDs and Blu-rays; which I keep as my BU. Works for me and I've been happy with it for the past few years.
Is anyone else in the same “I love building computers but haven’t played many games in recent years and I know I’d be wasting my money and/or feel immediate buyer’s remorse” boat? I built computers every few years since 2000 when I played lots of mmorpg games and I now have zero time, but the itch to build a computer is always there.
I went through a looooong stretch of this. I almost completely stopped gaming in maybe 2004 or 2005? had nothing but laptops until about 2018. The bug bit HARD at that point, and I now have a gaming rig, a low power "content" PC just for streaming, an HTPC in the living room and a server running in the basement with my networking gear.
Yup me - to be fair though when I play I play Cities Skylines more than any other game and with the sequel coming out I may be able to justify a new machine to get decent performance out of it (my current one runs it but once the city gets up to 100K+ population it can be very, very slow) Then I can semi-retire the current one to be the media mule in the corner of the living room (and if NAND prices keep dropping maybe even retrofit as an entirely SSD based machine for the quietness benefits...)
@@Gabu_ agreed - also planning the build is a good part of that - sitting on partspicker and other websites shopping around for deals and planning and scheming 😛
Oh man... So we have Android -> APK, Alpine Linux -> APK, ASUSTOR -> APK I recently packaged something for Alpine and looking up stuff related to that was already annoying enough. Poor ASUSTOR packagers.
12:10 is Jake confusing an A-pack with an android app? I assume they're using alpine Linux as a base but I'm not sure at all. It wouldn't make sense to run android?
This is a very cool product that I also wish had existed years ago. That being said, I would be willing to pay more to not be CPU limited, I be curious to see ASUS come out with a gen 2 version of this with a markup of about 200-300 for a better CPU
7:33 you have absolutely no clue how many times Premiere crashed on my Windows system this semester in my cinema and communications major. Since 2022, but even moreso 2023, it's almost as if Adobe is trying their damn best to make their software as unusable on Windows as possible. Granted, I was on 8gb of RAM, but still. Adobe had 5gb dedicated exclusively to it, and updates made everything more unstable every new update. It's literally the only reason why I'm considering buying this, and a Mac studio/M2 Mac mini, and just rolling through remote working. It's just that bad on Windows at this point. My hardware isn't even that bad or anything for a laptop that's used mostly for editing: Ryzen 5500U with a 1650 and a ½tb nvme ssd. It ran W10 and runs 11 buttery smooth, but not Adobe. And now I have 16gb of RAM, and Premiere still is testing my patience every day.
I was just looking 2 days ago to see if any of the current NAS options had processors that could beat out an 11 year old 6-core Xeon @ 1.9 GHz. I was very surprised to find that most of them were just barely faster due to the processors being either Atom or Celeron. There were a couple that had Ryzen embedded chips, but they were both released in 2018 which means they are Zen 1. Those were a good jump above the Xeon at least, but with less of a power consuption advantage as the other chips and being out of date already, I might as well just buy another used server CPU.
At 6:05 correction is needed on the text that comes up. It comes up in the left corner and say: ASUStore 32GB kit..... (ECC) NAStore 32GB kit...... (non-ecc) Then Linus holds up an 8GB stick also right after Jake says they are putting in 16GB because that's all it can handle. Therefore the text should say ASUStore 16GB kit...... Thanks for always bringing good content! 👍
Something like this would be great for my parents; they're not super tech savvy nor are willing to spend a ton on that stuff, but they need the storage. I could set this up in pretty easily and then let it be
you could set them up with a nas and a few SSD . or even HDD. for a much lower price .. I picked up a couple on fb marketplace for a steal. so cheap i go tone for my brother. so now we are gona use each others homes as offsite backups of each of our data
Hello Please can anyone help me i just got a asustor flashstor 6 i am trying to connect the S/PDIF out of the nas to my DAC Hi-Res Player | ASUSTOR NAS (is not detecting my DAC) as in . no input signal is getting to my dac things i have tried - firmly connect the cable (many times ) - tried with 2 different S/PDIF cable - checked with a second asustor flashstor 6 (no optical out from nas) - connected HDMI out from NAS -> split the signal to display and S/PDIF audio -> this worked -> but not Optical out from NAS to DAC (issue with this the signal splitter down samples the audio) please can anyone check if they have the same issue out it works out of the box my use case of ssd nas (has optical out ) -> tidal replacement thank you
I change my router's management port to something less common and saw a lot less hacking attempts from my firewall log. It takes little time to port scan but it's still better to not be a easy target as some non-targeted automated hacking trying default passwords just moves on to another IP if they miss the default ports.
9:55 is that a.... Scrapyard Wars recording in the background? Or was this recording old enough it's the same day Linus said he just had a fun time making a video about buying used stuff in WAN?
i use that model with 4 teamgroup MP44 4tb nvme. i get 10g line speed with it up and down at home. 1100MBps down and 900+ up. did you see that it is getting a revision 2 hardware refresh "Soon TM!". make sure you put the heat sinks on the nvme if you use gen 4's
I was waiting to see the performance with Truenas.. I guess it would of been the same? Shame you can't out-source the calculations for parity to the GPU
Did they miss the pics switches? The processor is maxed on lower end model with 6 drives. Trying to us all 12 in one array means adding lag to switch connections back and forth. This is a case of more isn't faster. I would like to see performance numbers of the number of drives the PC can handle. Native, both 4 and 2 channel. Also see if setting drives up in groups on same side of switch compared to spliting them
@@Noob._gamer poor visual quality, increased latency, no absolute control over your computer, requires good internet infrastructure, subscriptions. Hell even those cloud computers still require GPUs to render your game, this is one of the most nonsensical statements i've heard
i have been using an asustor as1104t for almost 2 years now, and other than the lack sound insulation (using 4x8tb wd red pro), no other problems at all... its fast, stable... looked at the new ones that are in the video, but just too expensive compared to the regular hdd nas units 😢
I want something like this but with a bit more power Like a i5 1235U or a P version If you offer 12 m.2 slots you could offer a higher power option Add 64gb of ram and you have a great solid state NAS + vm host
The text at 00:29 really isn't enough imo. They spend the whole rest of the video talking like the 12-bay model is cheaper than the motherboard they chose, which it isn't. The 6-bay model has worse ethernet as well. One is half the price of the other, it's a huge difference. They also directly link to the 6-bay model in the description, despite showing the 12-bay model all video... People are going to be confused when what they buy isn't the thing in the video.
Why a solid state NAS? In this say and age, why would you use hhd's? Unless you just need more storage per "channel".
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Hey Linus, here's an idea. How about try to match that form factor with these components and see if you can tame the beast with such a case: - nMEDIAPC HTPC 1800B Mini ITX Media Center Case (slightly higher than a 5,25 drive bay) - ToughArmor MB872MP-B Full Metal 12 Bay M.2 SATA SSD Mobile Rack for External 5.25" Drive Bay (SFF-8612) (Even more expensive as this NAS ;D) - AsRock Rack ROMED4ID-2T Proprietary (Deep mini-ITX) Server Motherboard Socket SP3 (about same price as the 12 bay SSD drive bay) - An EPYC CPU that can be cooled in such a short case.
I would suggest too use SSD's with extremely strong Onboard SSD ECC (Like anything Samsung Pro or Micron P5 or higher or newer!), BTRFS or ZFS for Formatting (Depends on your OS!) and if at all possible ECC RAM (Ryzen supports it by default but need to check with the Motherboard Specs!) and a Pure Sign Wave UPS more layers or DATA Protection is usually a good thing! I really wish CAMM2 used ECC as part of the Spec!
Minor visual error at 1:04 - the graphic says 2GB but it should read 32GB, as the kit has two 16GB sticks of RAM. Sorry for the flub!
Not good enough!
2*16=2 confirmed
@@unknwnd 2+16(0)=2
There’s another error at 5:56. Roon Labs is the popular among audiophiles music server software, not Rune Audio.
That PPNAS is really turned on now! 😂
As a casual computer enjoyer, the little popups explaining uncommon terms was very helpful. I now know roughly what JBOD means and what a docker is :D
JBOD stands for Just (a) Bunch Of Disks/Drives
Don't google what docking is 😂
Jacked Bod 😎
Docker is for nerds
@@doomtomb3 you'll ge there, young one
This NAS is currently a little pricey all in, but with how quickly NVMe prices are dropping, I think it will make even more sense for those who want a quiet little NAS and don't only need maximum capacity.
Do you think it would be possible to do this on some sort of Pi? I'm not sure if you'd have enough PCIe lanes or enough performance for the RAID
no this is extremely janky for the price perf - compared to what even red shirt jeff could do
Hello there
I think you're imagining a market for this. The percentage of people that purchases a NAS? 0.2%
The percentage of thos that would pay extra for silence? 0.2%.
The market for this is apparently 0.02%.
I think you are wrong about it being pricy... its about application. for persons with unlimited space and power there are cheaper options, but the fact this is so small, and power efficient, and for me best of all... shock resistant (ie while going down the road) means this unit is perfect!
This is like SO close (may still be worth it). Loved everything but the processor. I hope there is a Rev 2 with a processor that can last.
It's a NAS so it's not something you want to replace in a year or two. I want it for a decade. Everything else is great, but that processor is just gonna get worse and it seems too strained doing some things now. It may certainly be worth it for some people that just want a new NAS and don't stream from it, though. I hope enough people to get an upgraded one.
P.S. I would really like LTT too spend more time in the "mid-tier" space again with things like this. It's fun looking at $100,000 servers but it doesn't really help most people and prices are running so high right now, we need more practical idea coverage.
It's really something beyond my understanding how these companies insist on using slow Intel CPUs on these products - did they fall off a truck? Also, the latest N-series processors aren't much faster than the N5105 either.
@@Gabu_ energy efficiency.
These mobile Celerons are great. They have a decent igpu with support for Hardware HDR tone-mapping, the compute power of a 7th gen i3 while sipping power.
Compared to the J-series desktop ones they're better in every aspect, but they aren't as popular on desktop board unfortunately.
@ You mean fortunately? They only match the slowest 7th gen i3s performance, and only in multithreading (the i3s are dual cores, a sin in 2023) - keep in mind those same chips still can't match 2nd gen i7s.
Sure, for energy starved applications these cpus make sense, but do those 10-20W REALLY warrant giving up on 500% performance or more?
@@Gabu_ you might care about energy efficiency for: solar off grid applications, mobile car applications, ???
@Péter Friedrich see, is it "energy efficient" or just really underpowered?
I don't get how it is more energy efficient to keep the whole system up and waiting on parity calcs and data transfers for twice as long.
It’s always nice to see Yvonne’s husband and his husband working together in a video.
Does Luke know he's cheating on him?!
Yeah I though Jake was Linus & Yvonne's um...what's the non-BDSM/Canadian version of "gimp"? He's whatever that is.
@@TheNuclearGeek Are you imagining Jake in bondage?
@@mynt4033 Stop! stooooop!
@@mynt4033 I WASN'T...now I have to get that out of my head, gee thanks.
Ever since Linus has announced his retirement I feel like you can tell he is having more fun in his videos. He just seems more happy.
Yes, I feel like he is somehow less weighed down by other stuff and can enjoy the moment more.
He's not retiring, he's changing roles
you mean not publishing completely wrong and misleading information
Thanks Linus for taking a look at our All-NVMe NAS! It was a pleasure getting this out to you and taking a selfie with you at Computex! If anyone has any comments, questions, praise and criticism, feel free to reply to me and I will reply to you! We do have to notify you that the Flashstor is not drop proof.
Thanks again! -Marco.
@@Noob._gamer cloud PC's the future
@@Noob._gamer cool story bro
@@Noob._gamer kind of a L opinion tbh
how much time of development had this project?
_We do have to notify you that the Flashstor is not drop proof_ 🤣
9:41 Yes, ports can be scanned quickly, but a simple port change keeps a lot of scriptkiddies away. As an example, I had so many attacks on a mysql server that it became unstable. After I changed the port, the server became smooth again.
In fact, asustor just got hacked not long ago with ransomeware attackers attacking the 8001 and 8000 ports with some day 0 vulnerability. Am a victim of the attack. So switching away from these 2 ports somewhat is useful.
Eh not exactly a good practice anyway, since it's only delaying time to get hacked. It's always a good idea to practice defense in depth, like firewall with IP ban/timeout, and definitely not putting vulnerable interface out in open. And of course, *never open RDP at any moment*
Changing the port to a non common port, can keep a lot of broad scope attacks away.
I wager there's a mistake at 1:07, should be 32gb kit instead of 2gb
Eagle eyes😂😂😂😂😂
That's just some Canada math....2x16 = 2
How do they keep missing things like this :( I get it that most of the folks there are working at a "media" company, and not a "tech" company, but there's just too many slipups.
so asustor has 2x more ram 😂
@@deadpinY Because they're humans. That kind of mistakes happen in everything written all the time. I'm sure they proof read it with software but that kind of mistake looks to me like a copy paste one
The latest version of Unraid does indeed support trim Without having to install a separate package for that. It is now built in.
This is such a awesome way to have a portable NAS. Small, lightweight and no risk of disks failing due to bumps.
I have a sprinter van with 9 seats that I also live in. I want a file server I don't have to remember to turn off when I hit the road, or for my passengers to access on the road. I will be buying this just for the vibration resistance vs mechanical drives.
Fun Fact: At 2:20 Linus says Unraid doesn't support TRIM, but as of Unraid 6.11 it does support TRIM :D
Yep it fully supports SSDs correctly outside of the main array. So you can do an xfs, btrs, or ZFS array with ssds. And as of yesterday those arrays can be up to 60 drives!
Ok nerd
@@SpinnerSpite meany
@@SpinnerSpite you know which channel Ur watching right
those subtle banters like at 13:06 are what i live for on this channel. takes away a too serious note in general, jake being just absolutely unbothered and stress-free and linus slowly looking like christian bale in the mechanic because he's the head of everything. a nice clash.
Now, imagine this device with a socket in it and cooling for a 65W CPU. That would be a hell of a barebones NAS.
65 watt cooler probably makes it 50% bigger and twice as heavy 😶
So I should imagine a completely different product? First thing that comes to mind is The Throngler.
Yeah...a Core I3 or I5 would have been a game changer as far as performance, and worth the extra $
I think bumping up to 35W plus a decent iGPU with av1 enc/dec would be much more enticing tbqh
@Synthetic_Future No necessarily... currently sure, but in the next few years I imagine we won't even be using traditional coolers in this unique setups. One avenue is Frore, and with a few years of development, they could like produce a 65w capacity cooler that's literally a couple cm thick on a 4 x 1 inch strip
12:07 .apk isn't just used by Android, Alpine Linux, a distribution used for lightweight servers and docker containers also uses .apk for it's Alpine Package Manager. I think it would make more sense than using the JVM, especially since ASUSTOR packages do have architecture specific variants like a native linux package would.
13:27 My printer's cancel button just locks up the whole machine. The only way to actually cancel something is to unplug it; the cancel button just adds an extra time-wasting step.
😂😂 Exactly the cancel button is just a waste of time
Small mistake in the video at 6:02. The N5105 SOC can run 64GB RAM. I'm using 2x 32GB in my Asustor NAS running TrueNAS Scale :)
this is super cool. would love to see one with a beefier cpu
the screwless m.2 quick release is really cool but i would hope that it's a small replaceable part so that if one breaks you don't have to replace the entire thing.
@Scott Myers until you realise that the CPU is only capable of 10gbps…
For this type of application you need at least 1 thunderbolt 40gbps port
Cus otherwise your stuck using IT instead of an attached device cus that speed sucks
Even if it was populated with 12x 512GB drives it would still take at least 102 minutes to read the full capacity and thats assuming it maintains 1GB/s the whole time
My nas is heavily moddified and upgraded and I love it. It's an old HP Mediasmart EX495 that I got on ebay and I upgraded the cpu from a dual core celery stick, to a core 2 quad Q8200. The ram was 2gb of ddr2 but I upgraded to a 4gb stick (max amount). The machine didn't have any output, but I bought a special adapter that fits to the motherboard and gives you a VGA port and added it to the case (dremel work required). I went into the bios and changed the boot disk from one of the hard drive bays to one of the usb ports and installed OpenMediaVault as my operating system so I can utilize all 4 hard drive bays for storage instead of 3. I got 4 2TB seagate hard drives totaling 8TB of storage but set them up in Raid 5 so I get roughly 5.84TiB. Overall, I'm very pleased with the result. I spent much less for the size and quality compared to modern day NAS machines. Obviously not as fast, 1 gigabit, but I also prevented this equipment from becoming e-waste and repurposed it for years to come. It serves as my Jellyfin server and basic file storage across my network. In all, I probably spent around $430.
I wanted to build my own storage server (despite only having used half of my 512gb drive) but I think this might be better
a 512gb drive? in 2023? You absolutely do not need a NAS lol
@@kermitthefragg everyone could use a nas for backup
512? And here I am setting at almost 5tb and need to expand lmao
Sad that unless you want to pay like over $1K you'll get a Celeron or even just an ARM CPU. Why is it so hard to put in an i3 or ryzen 3? Those CPUs are really cheap and so much more powerful... There's no need for i5 and up either.
Edit: I think I should add that those ARM CPUs are extremely basic and slow, these Celerons are much better if you have to choose between one or the other. You won't get some flagship snapdragon within any of these pre-built NAS systems.
Theres a real advantage to using an actual server/server board - remote management and headless video from bootup, even in the BIOS
I actually upgraded my plex server recently from a celeron j5040 machine to a 5600g which now doubles as an office/web surfing and even light gaming pc
I just used a cheap b450 board with 4 sata ports and threw in another sata controller for additional drives.
- What are you even doing with your life if your library is below 50tb? -
Whole build (no drives) in an old and free office case with 3d printed accessories was around 350 Eurodollars including a new psu that is really efficient at low loads. The bequiet purepower 11 400w turned our to be a better choice than most 250w psus, while also not breaking the bank.
Idling behaviour is also super chill, as ryzen g is basically a socketed laptop cpu and tuned well for efficiency. Thought of going intel first, but since 12th gen they threw efficiency at idle pretty much overboard for some reason.
If I didn't have a solid NAS already and a requirement for it to be able to run an MC server, I would seriously conisder this for home use. it's small, customizable and has a crapton of capacity. I like it a lot!
In terms of security actually using a different port is a pretty good thing to do for the average home / small office users
Bot's frequently scrape the standard ports around the web to see if there is some exploitable software running on the standard ports.
By changing the port, you already shake off most broad untargeted attacks on an unsecure system. Of course it's no substitute for security but it most certainly is a good thing to do.
But the bots would have to be inside the LAN to get past your firewall, at which point they are likely on an exploited PC which has access to the NAS shares and your data so you're already screwed.
Unless you port forward and have the interface available outside your lan, which people will inevitably do.
@@qlum Which using none standard ports on the box has zero impact on.
Over the years I feel like Jake's heckling skills have gotten incredibly good. At the start he was kinda rough and not really funny. But very quickly he became one of the best folks on the team. And these days I'm always really excited to see him in a video because I know its gonna be a great time. I see why Linus married him.
@Linus: unRAID actually supports TRIM by default at least since version 6.11 and I don't mean by any plugins whatsoever. It supports SSD trim out of the box (Settings/Scheduler/Trim). And with official ZFS support coming in the next few days/weeks, whenever the latest RC hits stable, it is now much much better suitable for pure NVMe SSD arrays.
As a full time RV person.. I NEED THIS! ive been looking to build my own SSD based NAS for media storage while RVing and they are all too big.. TELL ME THIS RUNS ON 12v!
it's either 12v or 48v, If it were 48v (or 24v Idk) you can get a step up boost converter for whatever voltage as long as its dc and below 10-15 ampss
@@garrettturner7383 Of course, I just find it easier if its a single voltage through the system.. I usually ad a buck converter for lower than 12v devices any way to be sure that when the voltage dips below 12v, its just a preference
According to the guys at Asustor in the comment section it's 12v.
I thought unraid had trim support as of 6.11, also 6.12 (which is at release candidate stage) has native zfs. Makes it a really interesting competitor to truenas now
Love the 2GB's of RAM on the Ryzen system
2*16 is now 2
plex supports hardware transcoding if you have a paid license. The asustor seems to support h264 and h265 hw encode/decode.
Always love watching this father-son bond 🤗
Who is who?
@@ShouPow But he's way younger!
It took me a second to get the joke at 12:24 but once I just I audibly cackled.
I like this tech of using m.2's x 12 for a NAS. You really don't need much processing power when you are just using it to view movies on local LAN etc. Nice! Thanks for bringing this to our attention Linus.
yes, but to be fair if all you're doing is watching movies then any ssd, especially nvme drives are extremely overkill. even 4k full quality movies run just fine on a hard drive.
@@fafiteeenot when scrubbing though.
@@fafiteee Sure, but we're hitting the point now where NVMe is reaching parity with spinning rust at the low end. You can buy a 1TB (DRAM-less QLC) NVMe for the same price as a 1TB 2.5" spinner today.
@@Default78334 Who tf buys a mechanical drive smaller than 8tb now? Its not worth it, dumb argument.
7:28 it's a jump scare for me , i had my pc running next to me .... still traumatized from 2 psu failures (corsair + coolermaster)
I've built a FANLESS file server with a celeron a couple of years ago. I think it's a better option when you only have space in the living room. if it's really quiet you can hear the two 8 TB WD red tho
SSDs should have some cooling. Yes, maybe you could get away using only heatsinks, but 12 of them will cook it.
@@vadnegru i don't think this system has the cpu power or the pci-e capacity to push those nvme's to get that hot. still, a better cooling is always welcome.
@@giornikitop5373 in any case, looks like you could just remove the fan without breaking the warranty.
Call me weird, but that bleep moment around 12:28 got to my heart...🖤 Subscribed, after decades'ish. Thanks for all your content
1:10 2gb ram kit with 2x16G stick arrangement
Lol 😅
Cheap NAS comparison would be good. So everyone can have their own home NAS. Also explaining drives, the semi uselessness of red drives for home use, etc. Maybe even super nerd version showing how to build one, replace a drive, etc.
I always think it's a shame that you don't cover more consumer NAS hardware. I get that storage servers are much more exciting, but I'd love to know what you'd recommend as a low power, always on consumer grade unit - or at very least how they compare in terms of features/performance etc
What is the use case for a consumer NAS? Why not have your storage on a local machine that is just networked to the rest of your devices as needed instead of having a completely separate unit?
@@Hybris51129 power draw for one. My home NAS is wildly more power efficient than spinning up and running my desktop every time I need to access my files.
@@Hybris51129 A consumer NAS typically uses far less power than a PC, so in places where electricity is expensive they pay for themselves that way. They also typically use a Linux based OS, so configured properly they are more secure to leave connected to your network than say a Windows PC you never look at. Most modern consumer NAS products also have apps on them that are better than the ones you can get on a PC, things like photo management and security NVRs. Most of them are also quieter than a PC, so leaving them running in an office or bedroom is less intrusive. Lots more reasons, but those are a few.
I've been emailing Colton since Computex 2019.
@@Hybris51129 Well. It's easier. If I leave my gaming PC on 24/7, I'm wasting power. At the same time, a small machine that uses little power, whether it's a prebuild like ours or a DIY solution, can be on to do the scheduled backups needed of my data to keep data protected while my daily driver rig is turned off.
Would love to have one of these but for something insignificant because if i get myself a decent HDD(s), PSU and UPS (with pure sine wave output, surge protection, noise suppresion and good avr, basically things you should be doing with this anyway) on a custom NAS build, you are unlikely to have drives fail, and there is no write limit and data is far easier recoverable than this if an NVME fails.
it's not about the size, it's about effectiveness!
That's not quite what she said.
@@philipcooper8297😂
All that matters is you can hear the macaroni stirring
If it's not tight it's not Right
@@Username-u5e😂😂😂
I do have a Raspberry PI SSD NAS with Open Media Vault. The only files on the NAS are just rips of DVDs and Blu-rays; which I keep as my BU. Works for me and I've been happy with it for the past few years.
Is anyone else in the same “I love building computers but haven’t played many games in recent years and I know I’d be wasting my money and/or feel immediate buyer’s remorse” boat?
I built computers every few years since 2000 when I played lots of mmorpg games and I now have zero time, but the itch to build a computer is always there.
I went through a looooong stretch of this. I almost completely stopped gaming in maybe 2004 or 2005? had nothing but laptops until about 2018. The bug bit HARD at that point, and I now have a gaming rig, a low power "content" PC just for streaming, an HTPC in the living room and a server running in the basement with my networking gear.
Yup me - to be fair though when I play I play Cities Skylines more than any other game and with the sequel coming out I may be able to justify a new machine to get decent performance out of it (my current one runs it but once the city gets up to 100K+ population it can be very, very slow)
Then I can semi-retire the current one to be the media mule in the corner of the living room (and if NAND prices keep dropping maybe even retrofit as an entirely SSD based machine for the quietness benefits...)
Building the computer is half of the fun in having a PC to begin with.
@@Gabu_ agreed - also planning the build is a good part of that - sitting on partspicker and other websites shopping around for deals and planning and scheming 😛
Definitely. Built a high end gaming PC but only ever use it to watch movies
APK stands for ASUSTOR application package in this case. It's their linux packaging format used by their APKG package manager
Oh man... So we have Android -> APK, Alpine Linux -> APK, ASUSTOR -> APK
I recently packaged something for Alpine and looking up stuff related to that was already annoying enough. Poor ASUSTOR packagers.
Unraid has SSD support, just not for the main array. You can create BTRFS pool though (or ZFS in the newest version).
and trim was added in 6.11
@@matthewlafleur5147 came here to say this. I was personally offended.
Great, I hesitate two years with building a NAS, order all the parts two days ago, and now you show me this.
11:17 dead pixel on the camera? :c
12:10 is Jake confusing an A-pack with an android app? I assume they're using alpine Linux as a base but I'm not sure at all. It wouldn't make sense to run android?
Let Jake make a printer that cancels when you click cancel and send the info on how to every printer company.
Man I love that you made chapters for the video. Was interrupted 3 times by my kids and had clean entry points to rewatch. Neat!
This is a very cool product that I also wish had existed years ago. That being said, I would be willing to pay more to not be CPU limited, I be curious to see ASUS come out with a gen 2 version of this with a markup of about 200-300 for a better CPU
Existed I have one is 7 years old (QNAP TBS-453A). Only it was only 4 M.2 ssd slots, and off course at that time it was m.2 Sata not PCIE
On the Asustor Flashstor 6 FS6706T. Can you change the CPU - Intel Celeron N5105. To something else that is a little bit stronger..?
7:33 you have absolutely no clue how many times Premiere crashed on my Windows system this semester in my cinema and communications major. Since 2022, but even moreso 2023, it's almost as if Adobe is trying their damn best to make their software as unusable on Windows as possible. Granted, I was on 8gb of RAM, but still. Adobe had 5gb dedicated exclusively to it, and updates made everything more unstable every new update.
It's literally the only reason why I'm considering buying this, and a Mac studio/M2 Mac mini, and just rolling through remote working. It's just that bad on Windows at this point. My hardware isn't even that bad or anything for a laptop that's used mostly for editing: Ryzen 5500U with a 1650 and a ½tb nvme ssd. It ran W10 and runs 11 buttery smooth, but not Adobe. And now I have 16gb of RAM, and Premiere still is testing my patience every day.
See if you can try on a friend's pc with more ram and just see how much better it is.
@@PvMLad I've worked with as much as 64gb, PPro just won't collaborate
@@Anisse_N_Spices fair enough
@@PvMLad yeah, either Adobe despises me or Windows
9:56 SCRAPYARD WARS RETURN????? My life would be complete
I was just looking 2 days ago to see if any of the current NAS options had processors that could beat out an 11 year old 6-core Xeon @ 1.9 GHz. I was very surprised to find that most of them were just barely faster due to the processors being either Atom or Celeron. There were a couple that had Ryzen embedded chips, but they were both released in 2018 which means they are Zen 1. Those were a good jump above the Xeon at least, but with less of a power consuption advantage as the other chips and being out of date already, I might as well just buy another used server CPU.
STH did a review of both of these models. Freaking pretty damn cool little SSD NAS!
At 6:05 correction is needed on the text that comes up. It comes up in the left corner and say:
ASUStore 32GB kit..... (ECC)
NAStore 32GB kit...... (non-ecc)
Then Linus holds up an 8GB stick also right after Jake says they are putting in 16GB because that's all it can handle. Therefore the text should say ASUStore 16GB kit......
Thanks for always bringing good content! 👍
The Jake/Linus combo is fun to watch. Sounds definitely be more often. Maybe some TechLinked episodes?
I had to rewind, I wasn’t sure if Linus said “zero jank” or “zero Jake.”
Something like this would be great for my parents; they're not super tech savvy nor are willing to spend a ton on that stuff, but they need the storage. I could set this up in pretty easily and then let it be
you could set them up with a nas and a few SSD . or even HDD. for a much lower price .. I picked up a couple on fb marketplace for a steal. so cheap i go tone for my brother. so now we are gona use each others homes as offsite backups of each of our data
Thank you for the support!
i like how you handle your stuff gently and carefuly. Show a lot of professionalism
Could you do a DIY version of this with more power with a framework board as the base? Would love to see that.
The back and forth at min 2 and on is gold.
I think Linus should have played with the computer before ripping it apart.
Love you guys so much! :)
The music management system audiophiles use is Roon, not whatever “RuneAudio” is. Pretty cool if you have a big library of your own music.
Exactly
Unraid now officially supports auto trim btw, and they’ve done it properly as it’s at the FS level so it trims on the fly
Someone should probs tell Linus that unraid has had trim integrated into to the OS since 2022...
9:40 you can set script on router firewall to blacklist any of ip when it scan your not used ports
1:24 it looks kinda like a ps4 pro
No you mean ps4 deflalt
When these two come together, it is always chaos
2:20 great censoring lmao
100TB Storage on this is pretty nice! And use a HD array for cheaper slow backups.
100TB, with which ssds?
Ah yes, the 2 GB RAM Kit
😂😂😂
Hello
Please can anyone help me
i just got a asustor flashstor 6
i am trying to connect the S/PDIF out of the nas to my DAC
Hi-Res Player | ASUSTOR NAS (is not detecting my DAC) as in . no input signal is getting to my dac
things i have tried
- firmly connect the cable (many times )
- tried with 2 different S/PDIF cable
- checked with a second asustor flashstor 6 (no optical out from nas)
- connected HDMI out from NAS -> split the signal to display and S/PDIF audio -> this worked -> but not Optical out from NAS to DAC (issue with this the signal splitter down samples the audio)
please can anyone check if they have the same issue out it works out of the box
my use case of ssd nas (has optical out ) -> tidal replacement
thank you
same issue here also
@LinusTechTips
please help
can anyone suggest the perfect cable ( link ) that might be can issue
No you shouldn’t
I change my router's management port to something less common and saw a lot less hacking attempts from my firewall log. It takes little time to port scan but it's still better to not be a easy target as some non-targeted automated hacking trying default passwords just moves on to another IP if they miss the default ports.
wow! 172 to 637 views in 4 seconds!
9:55 is that a.... Scrapyard Wars recording in the background?
Or was this recording old enough it's the same day Linus said he just had a fun time making a video about buying used stuff in WAN?
i use that model with 4 teamgroup MP44 4tb nvme. i get 10g line speed with it up and down at home. 1100MBps down and 900+ up. did you see that it is getting a revision 2 hardware refresh "Soon TM!". make sure you put the heat sinks on the nvme if you use gen 4's
It’s a great device for the price, although the design reminds me more of a PS4 than a PS2.
Think he meant overall size, but yeah. Looks like a ps4.
you are on every ltt video comment ever
Jake's shirts make me feel like he came into work while on holiday.
I feel like Linus is really enjoying being set free.
I was waiting to see the performance with Truenas.. I guess it would of been the same? Shame you can't out-source the calculations for parity to the GPU
69.99 for that screw driver is ludicrous 💀
Did they miss the pics switches? The processor is maxed on lower end model with 6 drives. Trying to us all 12 in one array means adding lag to switch connections back and forth. This is a case of more isn't faster. I would like to see performance numbers of the number of drives the PC can handle. Native, both 4 and 2 channel. Also see if setting drives up in groups on same side of switch compared to spliting them
I think you should start building servers only, you seem curious about it.😉
@@Noob._gamer Heard that one for about 10 years
@@Noob._gamer poor visual quality, increased latency, no absolute control over your computer, requires good internet infrastructure, subscriptions. Hell even those cloud computers still require GPUs to render your game, this is one of the most nonsensical statements i've heard
i have been using an asustor as1104t for almost 2 years now, and other than the lack sound insulation (using 4x8tb wd red pro), no other problems at all... its fast, stable...
looked at the new ones that are in the video, but just too expensive compared to the regular hdd nas units 😢
Thank you for your support!
What's the song playing at 4:00?
Did Jake mean Rune or Roon? I know a lot of audiophiles go nuts for Roon (and it requires a dedicated server) but I've never heard of Rune.
Same here!
I want something like this but with a bit more power
Like a i5 1235U or a P version
If you offer 12 m.2 slots you could offer a higher power option
Add 64gb of ram and you have a great solid state NAS + vm host
A mini dtx motherboard version of this custom board would be insanely useful. Current gen CPUs with OC ddr5 & eight gen4 drives would be ideal.
The text at 00:29 really isn't enough imo. They spend the whole rest of the video talking like the 12-bay model is cheaper than the motherboard they chose, which it isn't. The 6-bay model has worse ethernet as well. One is half the price of the other, it's a huge difference. They also directly link to the 6-bay model in the description, despite showing the 12-bay model all video... People are going to be confused when what they buy isn't the thing in the video.
at 1:10 there is an error in the discription of the ram. it says 2gb kit, or is it an error?
Why a solid state NAS? In this say and age, why would you use hhd's? Unless you just need more storage per "channel".
Hey Linus, here's an idea. How about try to match that form factor with these components and see if you can tame the beast with such a case:
- nMEDIAPC HTPC 1800B Mini ITX Media Center Case (slightly higher than a 5,25 drive bay)
- ToughArmor MB872MP-B Full Metal 12 Bay M.2 SATA SSD Mobile Rack for External 5.25" Drive Bay (SFF-8612) (Even more expensive as this NAS ;D)
- AsRock Rack ROMED4ID-2T Proprietary (Deep mini-ITX) Server Motherboard Socket SP3 (about same price as the 12 bay SSD drive bay)
- An EPYC CPU that can be cooled in such a short case.
Can you please review the topton nas n1 pro ?
It seems like such a promising machine but I can't find anything online
I would suggest too use SSD's with extremely strong Onboard SSD ECC (Like anything Samsung Pro or Micron P5 or higher or newer!), BTRFS or ZFS for Formatting (Depends on your OS!) and if at all possible ECC RAM (Ryzen supports it by default but need to check with the Motherboard Specs!) and a Pure Sign Wave UPS more layers or DATA Protection is usually a good thing!
I really wish CAMM2 used ECC as part of the Spec!
check out the aoostar gem10 with the occulink 4 bay SSD accessory, it has way more CPU power & RAM than this one but comes at the same price.
On TrueNas its possible to use a USB drive as a backup for the OS in case the SSD fails