I recently purchased 3 used 12TB drives on ebay for $75 each with a 5 YEAR warranty. Research suggests that they are reputable and actually honor this with no questions asked. Right now that is an absolutely insane deal. Unfortunately they're selling for $100-$110 now.
@@TooBokooI paid $90 for 4tb around the same time brand new, and I haven't needed more storage since then. Might consider getting a few and running a RAID array for redundancy though
those drives are from go hard drive on ebay, I prefer them to server part deals because of the extended warranty. One drive I got from SPD only had 1 year and I cold storaged it and when I went to use it 16 months later it's working but crazy loud and now I'm stuck with it.
I tend to open multiple videos in different tabs. I had a L1Techs video open and accidentally changed tabs when Linus asked what the catch was, and Wendel said "RELIABILITY". Perfect serendipity.
I only buy used 18TB on ebay for my server. Running 32 bays + 2 hot spares. They fail just as randomly and just as often as "new" drives. Some are running for 5+ years now, some only a few thousand hours. It seems to matter very little and i save alot at 10€/TB used vs 20€/TB new.
I´ve bought numerous recertified drives via Amazon, and they´ve been all sock solid since. Very much worth it as long as you ensure parity with backups (which you should do anyways). eBay, provided it´s a good local seller is also a solid option, though I prefer the former where possible.
"Storage ain't cheap" - I mean, for the average user in 2024, it kind of is, relative to what it was 20 years ago. Yeah, if you're a media company, your needs are going to cost way more.
This year I purchased 36 of the recertified 10TB He10s you find on Amazon for $75 to $85 each. As far as I can see the recertified meant used. Before putting these into production I ran a 4 pass badblocks test on every single one of them which took nearly a week to complete.
Also just bought 3 12TB Seagate Ironwolfs that are re-certified by Seagate. And so far no issues. And I only paid as much for those 3 as I would have for ONE new
Thanks for doing this video. I’ve actually run into a storage space issue and was looking to replace my drives with larger capacity ones. Unfortunately the larger capacity ones are eye-wateringly expensive. This gives me an alternative and even a trusted dealer.
I bought some SAS Seagate Exos 14TB drives for like 100-110 USD each and still working good a year later with no SMART errors in site. Got 3 for my TrueNAS and got loads of storage.
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I bought four SATA 18 TB Exos for 550 € total (avg. salary in my country is ~1400 €). I want one off-site and three of them in RAIDZ1 (2+1). I don't know what should I put them in.
Recert drives scared me at first but I have SHR-2 on my 8 bay NAS so I went for it. Hey, $200 instead of $350 for a drive..... I have 2 or 3 recerts in my array now. No issues 1-2 years in. Another pro tip for saving is to look at USB drives. Sometimes the hard drives in those are NAS level drives and much cheaper for some reason. You decase the hard drive and toss it in your NAS.
5:07 as someone who works at AWS, if you thought NZXT was a massive scam, wait until you discover AWS: the cloud has its uses, a lot of uses, but it’s not a silver bullet
I've bought a total of 10 refurbished drives via Amazon for use in my game dev storage and backups. One of those drives failed within 3 months, but the other 9 are still in use over 3 years later.
I bought a used 10tb drive for about $100 (after tax and shipping). I only use it for storage, so it doesn't spin up that often, and so far, it's running great.
I bought 4 14TB recertified drives from Amazon and the insurance they always try to upsell you on since these are what they are. After a couple of months one of the drives started giving me SMART errors so contacted Amazon support and they refunded me the cost of the drive as soon as the courier picked the package up and I ordered another recertified drive to replace. I didn't have to explain to support what SMART errors were or anything was really straight forward and I didn't even need to use the insurance policy for them. It was a bit unnerving running my array without any parity drive for the 4 or 5 days it took new drive to arrive but as it's was mostly linux ISOs I wasn't too worried about losing something I couldn't get again. The 14TB recertified drives cost me less than new 4TB drives would have even when including the extra insurance which I did need (for this problem anyway). When I buy again I probably won't even bother with the extra insurance.
I've moved to local NAS when google drive removed unlimited drives. Those Exos x20 20TB are indeed cheapest option. Although in Poland a single new one cost 390 USD (and has 5 years of warranty) and recertified one costs.... 365 USD (and only 1 year of warranty). Yeah, building a server in Europe is way way more expensive than in US i guess.
They need to offload old video files to cold storage or something. There's no sense in storing massive amounts of old footage that they'll almost certainly never actually use in active storage on their NAS.
@@EU_JACT That's the problem, a lot of youtubers are picky about their quality and want the raw file if they ever need to use it again, even if that possibility is so low and nobody would probably care about the quality drop for a 10 second clip anyway. I get it though, you spend 10s of thousands of dollars on cameras and recording equipment and you don't want to settle for youtube compression. Also maybe you want to show an older video to a potential client or business partner or something like that.
Thing is for them, it’s likely more cost effective to use the NAS through a mix of high availability (which makes the rare call back to archival storage quicker than creating an inventory system for cold backups, integrating it into production, and actually retrieving it when needed), as well as actually purchasing said cold storage media. That’s not to mention the money made from content produced around their various NAS systems, between their ad revenue, sponsor spots on the video, and ability to use free inventory sent by industry contacts, as “ ___ sent to us by ___” occurs so often in these videos. Also, if complete data hoarding is the #1 goal, raid configurations generally should have much more resilience to bit rot over time (from my understanding), which over 5 or 10 years isn’t THAT much of a problem, but when looking forward 20, 50, 100 years, it’s much more relevant. Finally (and I’ll concede this is a big stretch), but an argument could likely be made that hard drives are much more valuable than something like tapes or disks should they need to liquidate any assets for any reason. They hold value (not particularly well, they’re hard drives after all), but they do Also big storage servers are just cool :)
I have a 18 drive server with 10TB drives from another recertified company that have been running for 4 years straight without a single failure. $70 for a 10TB drive 4 years ago was too good to pass up and time has shown they have been amazing drives.
Jake is the king of "borrowing" workplace equipment. I don't think Linus would even consider boosting multiple drives from Logistics and that's saying something.
I have a 1.5PB in storage. I've bought exclusively recertified enterprise drives for a few years now. Its a relatively small sample size but I find their failure rate is lower than new drives but with caveats. You buy from the credible source. Some companies will frame drives are "recertified" when what they really are is old used or untested drives. And while software like crystaldiskmark can help you check firmware in theory firmware can be overwritten. So what really matters is the source you are buying from. If its some random ebayer with low sales or kijiji high risk of scam. Of recertified drives I have bought from Ebay with tens of thousands or more of sales, with a warranty period as well, not a single one of my drives has failed yet.
I bought 4 4TB recertified seagate drives for my home NAS about 6 months ago and they're still going strong. I did set up to have 2 backup drives cutting the storage in half but I didn't want to take the chance of loosing pictures of passed love ones.
I do use used hard drives a lot cause they are cheap and easy to get and I do not recall ever buying a recertified one and I think only two or three died but they had a long running time behind them and I did not store anything important on them. I do prefer to use the used drives in a raid zfs with the possibility of one or more failing before data loss. My conclusion used drives are good if the seller does not try to scam you.
You should really mention the issue with such large drives. Since the IOPS of each are limited to about 150MB/s when one of the drives inevitably fails the resilver of the pool can take so long that another drive could easily fail.
I run my Plex off a mix of shucked and recertified drives and have only incurred 1 failure to date out of 4 total drives purchased recertified. That 1 failure was a DOA failure so I suspect shipping damage. The replacement has been solid.
I'm using a couple of recertified 10TB Seagate drives for bulk media storage. They're a little slow, but they've been working for a while now without fuss. I have them backed up just in case, and only use them for data that I could re-obtain, but I haven't had any problems yet.
The Seagate drives have had their hours reset, most of non-Seagate drives from those sellers have 40-50k hours. I got some WD 14TB drives for $100/ea and they all have 40-50k hours.
0:20 Linus, you check out E1.L or the ruler ssd from Solidigm and E1.L server from supermicro. In just 1U with 32 drives, you can get 2 PB of storage with each 64TB SSD stick. In early 2025, Solidigm is going to launch 122 TB SSD meaning in 1U, you can get 4 PB of storage. Please make a video on it in future. And, they are also relatively inexpensive. Phison Pascari already has 128 TB SSD in E3.S format
Bought a pair of 10TB drives a month ago from a 99.8% seller on ebay that were "Pulled From a Working Unit, 100% Tested, Wipe and in Good Condition [...] grade A" Both drives had 60000+ hours, 5 and 6 logged errors respectively and neither could even pass a short SMART test. I would be willing to try again if it is actually certified by seagate, but otherwise that's a big no from me.
I own a few drives from serverpart deals in the past year. Amazing shipping, leagues better than western digital. Bought a new 2.5 2tb blue drive new from WD. They shipped it in a anti-static bag, in a bubble envelope. I was surprised it was fine. Gonna buy 5 for a nas, no worries on my end.
I know its finished already, but if you are looking for cards in the future LSI does manufacture the Dell branded PERC card, and those are very common on Ebay.
I bought a used 2tb HDD off of eBay in 2016 and it’s still in my system today. It does sound like it’s failing but I haven’t noticed any issues or corrupted data and considering I only use it to store steam games I will probably leave it in there until it bursts into flames.
I have used refurb drives for (multiple) NAS' at my house. They have been more reliable than the "second class" white label drives of similar size and price. Guess Grandpa and my Dad were right, you never go wrong buying the best you can afford up front.
There's nothing wrong with buying manufacturer recertified drives from a reputable seller. Just have plenty of cold spares, and potentially a few hot ones, too. People are far too paranoid.
i bought a refurbished enterprise server for home use 8 years ago and have it maxed with refurbished 10tb drives its so far been running for 4 years without issues and the ones before that we're that i'm stupid not that the tech was bad.
i have been running the same drives for years now in my NAS and only changed them out when i upgraded them for capacity. and yes they are refurbished drives. i love the 20TB drives that i got cuz they are so fast and i have never had an issue with unraid nto seeing them.
I can answer after watching, actually no. Recertified, depending on the hours on the drives, are sometimes better, because they are tested working and warrantied. but anything other than recertified IS stupid.
I have an knock off LSI HBA to SATA card that I've been using for over a decade on my NAS. I mean, I've changed my NAS hardware a lot of over the years, but this HBA card is the only thing that I keep for my sanity sake. I used it with Windows, with unRaid, and TrueNAS, recently I'm using it with ProxMox passing throuth to a TrueNAS VM, since ProxMox didn't play ball with HBA when I last upgraded my NAS.
Literally two weeks ago I was debating on re-certified drives or new ones. I didn’t want to risk the long term stability of my new Nas so I got new ones.
I think in terms of raw storage, I have probably 10% of a petabyte stacked up behind me at last count waiting on a chassis to mount them in, all for about USD700 or so from deals found on the Server Builds discord server (disclaimer: the guy who runs it supposedly is an ass? but YMMV) (mixed SATA and SAS connectivity, along with mixed drive sizes ranging from 8TB to 14TB drives) edit: (~) 14:53 They could've just cleaned them up and buffed out any scratches maybe? Some of them might be customer returns tho, and you might've just gotten a batch made entirely up of customer returns lol.
One gigabyte of RAM per terabyte of data is a myth that needs to die. How much CPU and RAM you need is completely dependent on your workload and network bandwidth.
Server Part Deals had 12Tb Recertified drives from Seagate at $75 a few months ago. I got 5, but I wish now that I got enough to fill up my server! I need another 8 drives and they are $110 a piece now 😢 The drives have performed great, and I’m never buying a new HDD again! I’m hoping to eventually build a second server to mirror the first, I hope I can find more great deals like this again by then…
ebay is the worst more discusting 2nd hand market i bought a gpu the seller said the packaged was shipped yet it was "untracked" how that's possible is incredible but anyway the seller deleted their accound and listing so i cant even request help with it
13:20 - Linus talking about 20TB hard drives: "hard drives have just been kinda quietly in the background, getting like kinda awesome" 01/01/2020 - Also Linus: "Why you DON’T want a 20TB Hard Drive"... Well, you can explain yourself... Why such a sudden change of mind? It's only been 4 since you last told us not to buy them... (I do admit I had to really look for that video...)
Interesting that you didn't swap the e5-2620 v4 processors for e5-2697a v4 processors. I upgraded several of my systems to the 2697a and 2680's and have a huge boost in speed. A used e5-2680 v4 is now around $22 which is a bargain for the speed.
I guess the FeRAM petabyte build was too expensive huh?
Dude that’s the first thing I thought when I saw this 😂
Give it a year and he’ll probably do it lol
@@youareperf5199 I don't think he has $8.3 trillion on him.
Could you imagine how Evon would react if he did build this with FeRAM?
@@merkorbert3943 it would be like that one time LTT made the gold Xbox controller
I recently purchased 3 used 12TB drives on ebay for $75 each with a 5 YEAR warranty. Research suggests that they are reputable and actually honor this with no questions asked. Right now that is an absolutely insane deal. Unfortunately they're selling for $100-$110 now.
Hey, even $100ish for 12TB is a pretty good deal! I paid about $150 for 8TB about 4 years ago. Granted, my drive was brand new, but still...
@@TooBokooI paid $90 for 4tb around the same time brand new, and I haven't needed more storage since then. Might consider getting a few and running a RAID array for redundancy though
What seller?
those drives are from go hard drive on ebay, I prefer them to server part deals because of the extended warranty. One drive I got from SPD only had 1 year and I cold storaged it and when I went to use it 16 months later it's working but crazy loud and now I'm stuck with it.
Bought 5 14TB drives that were pulled from a server off EBay. They were about $120 CAD each. So far with 24/7 power on they’re doing great
how long have they been going?
I tend to open multiple videos in different tabs. I had a L1Techs video open and accidentally changed tabs when Linus asked what the catch was, and Wendel said "RELIABILITY". Perfect serendipity.
I've run Server Part Deal drives in my NAS for years with tons of TBW with no issues.
I actually bought 4 4tb Hard drives on ebay, and now I got it in a portable DAS
Whats a DAS?
Digital Audio Sortage :)
@june_senpai9846 dead array system
@june_senpai9846 Direct Attached Storage, Similar to NAS (Network Attached Storage) but it's just plugged directly into a computer.
@june_senpai9846 a Volkswagen
I only buy used 18TB on ebay for my server. Running 32 bays + 2 hot spares. They fail just as randomly and just as often as "new" drives. Some are running for 5+ years now, some only a few thousand hours. It seems to matter very little and i save alot at 10€/TB used vs 20€/TB new.
I´ve bought numerous recertified drives via Amazon, and they´ve been all sock solid since. Very much worth it as long as you ensure parity with backups (which you should do anyways).
eBay, provided it´s a good local seller is also a solid option, though I prefer the former where possible.
"Storage ain't cheap" - I mean, for the average user in 2024, it kind of is, relative to what it was 20 years ago. Yeah, if you're a media company, your needs are going to cost way more.
I work in diagnostics...
The issue isn't the cost of storage. As so much more about how much data and the size of files nowadays.
This year I purchased 36 of the recertified 10TB He10s you find on Amazon for $75 to $85 each. As far as I can see the recertified meant used. Before putting these into production I ran a 4 pass badblocks test on every single one of them which took nearly a week to complete.
Jake, you've done great losing weight. I don't usually comment on such things, but I know a bunch of people gave you grief previously. F the haters.
He might be in his winter arc
Who's jake?
Also just bought 3 12TB Seagate Ironwolfs that are re-certified by Seagate. And so far no issues. And I only paid as much for those 3 as I would have for ONE new
When Linus holding those drives and shaking them, that gave me heart attack
He hasn't dropped anything in quite a while so he's probably due.
Thanks for doing this video. I’ve actually run into a storage space issue and was looking to replace my drives with larger capacity ones. Unfortunately the larger capacity ones are eye-wateringly expensive. This gives me an alternative and even a trusted dealer.
1:11 - Hide the pain Jake.
@@dolan-duk he's in pain because it's segate. They are know to fail even brand new.
I bought some SAS Seagate Exos 14TB drives for like 100-110 USD each and still working good a year later with no SMART errors in site. Got 3 for my TrueNAS and got loads of storage.
I bought four SATA 18 TB Exos for 550 € total (avg. salary in my country is ~1400 €). I want one off-site and three of them in RAIDZ1 (2+1). I don't know what should I put them in.
Petabyte to 2016 LTT: #Company goals
Petabyte to 2024 LTT: Am I some kind of joke?
wow this is the earliest i’ve been able to watch a linus upload. this is AWESOME!!!
Anyone noticed that these past few videos are sponsored by MSI?
Recert drives scared me at first but I have SHR-2 on my 8 bay NAS so I went for it. Hey, $200 instead of $350 for a drive..... I have 2 or 3 recerts in my array now. No issues 1-2 years in. Another pro tip for saving is to look at USB drives. Sometimes the hard drives in those are NAS level drives and much cheaper for some reason. You decase the hard drive and toss it in your NAS.
Called "shucking" in datahoarder communities
5:07 as someone who works at AWS, if you thought NZXT was a massive scam, wait until you discover AWS: the cloud has its uses, a lot of uses, but it’s not a silver bullet
Well time to find $24,000
Is it stupid? Yes. Will Linus do it anyway? Absolutely!
Yes
I've bought a total of 10 refurbished drives via Amazon for use in my game dev storage and backups. One of those drives failed within 3 months, but the other 9 are still in use over 3 years later.
My success rate with recert Seagates is so far 100% (I have exactly one 16TB Exos in my smol server, it's now been running for a few months).
I bought a used 10tb drive for about $100 (after tax and shipping). I only use it for storage, so it doesn't spin up that often, and so far, it's running great.
I bought 4 14TB recertified drives from Amazon and the insurance they always try to upsell you on since these are what they are. After a couple of months one of the drives started giving me SMART errors so contacted Amazon support and they refunded me the cost of the drive as soon as the courier picked the package up and I ordered another recertified drive to replace. I didn't have to explain to support what SMART errors were or anything was really straight forward and I didn't even need to use the insurance policy for them. It was a bit unnerving running my array without any parity drive for the 4 or 5 days it took new drive to arrive but as it's was mostly linux ISOs I wasn't too worried about losing something I couldn't get again.
The 14TB recertified drives cost me less than new 4TB drives would have even when including the extra insurance which I did need (for this problem anyway). When I buy again I probably won't even bother with the extra insurance.
I've moved to local NAS when google drive removed unlimited drives. Those Exos x20 20TB are indeed cheapest option. Although in Poland a single new one cost 390 USD (and has 5 years of warranty) and recertified one costs.... 365 USD (and only 1 year of warranty). Yeah, building a server in Europe is way way more expensive than in US i guess.
But how much is a trip to the US and back with your luggage full of hard drives 🤔
They need to offload old video files to cold storage or something. There's no sense in storing massive amounts of old footage that they'll almost certainly never actually use in active storage on their NAS.
I think they have that on tape backups
put all the old stuff on a private youtube channel. The quality will drop, but as you said, they will never use that footage
I got the vibe that this will be cold storage. Well, cold-ish.
@@EU_JACT That's the problem, a lot of youtubers are picky about their quality and want the raw file if they ever need to use it again, even if that possibility is so low and nobody would probably care about the quality drop for a 10 second clip anyway. I get it though, you spend 10s of thousands of dollars on cameras and recording equipment and you don't want to settle for youtube compression. Also maybe you want to show an older video to a potential client or business partner or something like that.
Thing is for them, it’s likely more cost effective to use the NAS through a mix of high availability (which makes the rare call back to archival storage quicker than creating an inventory system for cold backups, integrating it into production, and actually retrieving it when needed), as well as actually purchasing said cold storage media.
That’s not to mention the money made from content produced around their various NAS systems, between their ad revenue, sponsor spots on the video, and ability to use free inventory sent by industry contacts, as “ ___ sent to us by ___” occurs so often in these videos.
Also, if complete data hoarding is the #1 goal, raid configurations generally should have much more resilience to bit rot over time (from my understanding), which over 5 or 10 years isn’t THAT much of a problem, but when looking forward 20, 50, 100 years, it’s much more relevant.
Finally (and I’ll concede this is a big stretch), but an argument could likely be made that hard drives are much more valuable than something like tapes or disks should they need to liquidate any assets for any reason. They hold value (not particularly well, they’re hard drives after all), but they do
Also big storage servers are just cool :)
I’ve been running Server Part Deal drives in my NAS for ages, and they’ve been working flawlessly with a ton of TBW.
I have a 18 drive server with 10TB drives from another recertified company that have been running for 4 years straight without a single failure. $70 for a 10TB drive 4 years ago was too good to pass up and time has shown they have been amazing drives.
Jake is the king of "borrowing" workplace equipment. I don't think Linus would even consider boosting multiple drives from Logistics and that's saying something.
I have a 1.5PB in storage. I've bought exclusively recertified enterprise drives for a few years now. Its a relatively small sample size but I find their failure rate is lower than new drives but with caveats. You buy from the credible source. Some companies will frame drives are "recertified" when what they really are is old used or untested drives. And while software like crystaldiskmark can help you check firmware in theory firmware can be overwritten. So what really matters is the source you are buying from. If its some random ebayer with low sales or kijiji high risk of scam. Of recertified drives I have bought from Ebay with tens of thousands or more of sales, with a warranty period as well, not a single one of my drives has failed yet.
I bought some drives directly from Server Part Deals. So far so good!
I bought 4 4TB recertified seagate drives for my home NAS about 6 months ago and they're still going strong. I did set up to have 2 backup drives cutting the storage in half but I didn't want to take the chance of loosing pictures of passed love ones.
I do use used hard drives a lot cause they are cheap and easy to get and I do not recall ever buying a recertified one and I think only two or three died but they had a long running time behind them and I did not store anything important on them. I do prefer to use the used drives in a raid zfs with the possibility of one or more failing before data loss. My conclusion used drives are good if the seller does not try to scam you.
You should really mention the issue with such large drives. Since the IOPS of each are limited to about 150MB/s when one of the drives inevitably fails the resilver of the pool can take so long that another drive could easily fail.
I currently have 10 and 12 TB used /recertified drive for a few years. No issues.
I run my Plex off a mix of shucked and recertified drives and have only incurred 1 failure to date out of 4 total drives purchased recertified. That 1 failure was a DOA failure so I suspect shipping damage. The replacement has been solid.
Thanks Linus! Now I can not spend 10 thousand dollars on a petabyte of storage because I don't have 10 thousand dollars!
I've never used the cloud for mass storage, and I never will. Feels like putting all your eggs in one basket. Hard pass.
Worse, it's paying perpetually to put your eggs in someone else's basket.
I'm using a couple of recertified 10TB Seagate drives for bulk media storage. They're a little slow, but they've been working for a while now without fuss. I have them backed up just in case, and only use them for data that I could re-obtain, but I haven't had any problems yet.
So when's the first zetabyte video?
The Seagate drives have had their hours reset, most of non-Seagate drives from those sellers have 40-50k hours. I got some WD 14TB drives for $100/ea and they all have 40-50k hours.
I have a much smaller situation but my like 80 tb situation is primarily Exos drives, second hand. Haven't had a single issue
I just bought some of the 24TB that they recertified, and only one was bad. So far I’m happy
The latest truenas scale update allows it to expand one drive at a time too.
0:20 Linus, you check out E1.L or the ruler ssd from Solidigm and E1.L server from supermicro. In just 1U with 32 drives, you can get 2 PB of storage with each 64TB SSD stick.
In early 2025, Solidigm is going to launch 122 TB SSD meaning in 1U, you can get 4 PB of storage. Please make a video on it in future. And, they are also relatively inexpensive.
Phison Pascari already has 128 TB SSD in E3.S format
I thought this was an old video until i actually looked at the upload date.
Bought a pair of 10TB drives a month ago from a 99.8% seller on ebay that were "Pulled From a Working Unit, 100% Tested, Wipe and in Good Condition [...] grade A"
Both drives had 60000+ hours, 5 and 6 logged errors respectively and neither could even pass a short SMART test.
I would be willing to try again if it is actually certified by seagate, but otherwise that's a big no from me.
I own a few drives from serverpart deals in the past year. Amazing shipping, leagues better than western digital. Bought a new 2.5 2tb blue drive new from WD. They shipped it in a anti-static bag, in a bubble envelope. I was surprised it was fine. Gonna buy 5 for a nas, no worries on my end.
Running a quartet of 8TB drives in an older system with an Intel 9th gen i7 and 64GB of DDR4 ram. Works for my home biz and my kids media.
With non holiday pricing, that's about 1/3 of the 'new' price.
I have been buying recert and refurb hgst drives for a while, always been a good experience
Ebay is underrated.
Untreaded? It's untrodden.
I know its finished already, but if you are looking for cards in the future LSI does manufacture the Dell branded PERC card, and those are very common on Ebay.
"if our inventory records are correct the cpu in this thing is over 8 YEARS OLD"
People with diy NASes: that's so recent!
"In this economy!! *poof" words can't be more truer 😭
Ebay always has the best prices aslong as you avoid dropshippers.
Also buyer protection is the best online aslong you buy from business sellers😊
I actually just started doing this as well with refurb seagates. I am running 4 for past 6 months with no trouble
I bought a used 2tb HDD off of eBay in 2016 and it’s still in my system today. It does sound like it’s failing but I haven’t noticed any issues or corrupted data and considering I only use it to store steam games I will probably leave it in there until it bursts into flames.
I have used refurb drives for (multiple) NAS' at my house. They have been more reliable than the "second class" white label drives of similar size and price. Guess Grandpa and my Dad were right, you never go wrong buying the best you can afford up front.
Recertified enterprise drives tend to always be fine, consumer grade drives had a few iffy drives
There's nothing wrong with buying manufacturer recertified drives from a reputable seller. Just have plenty of cold spares, and potentially a few hot ones, too. People are far too paranoid.
i bought a refurbished enterprise server for home use 8 years ago and have it maxed with refurbished 10tb drives its so far been running for 4 years without issues and the ones before that we're that i'm stupid not that the tech was bad.
Cool video, I like the thinking outside the box. But you really should look into a disk to tape system for your needs.
nothing wrong with recertified drives on the cheap. Make sure to have decent redundancy and cold spares available on the shelf.
I recently thought "it would be time for another episode of 'Silly Server Projects with Jake'" and here we are :D
I've had more Seagate drives fail on me than all other drives combined. I hear they're good these days...but the damage is long done for me.
i have been running the same drives for years now in my NAS and only changed them out when i upgraded them for capacity. and yes they are refurbished drives. i love the 20TB drives that i got cuz they are so fast and i have never had an issue with unraid nto seeing them.
This is timely, looking at used drives right now 😂
Been burned by Seagate so many times, I really don't ever want to try them again.
I can answer this without watching.
Yes
I can answer after watching, actually no. Recertified, depending on the hours on the drives, are sometimes better, because they are tested working and warrantied. but anything other than recertified IS stupid.
I have an knock off LSI HBA to SATA card that I've been using for over a decade on my NAS. I mean, I've changed my NAS hardware a lot of over the years, but this HBA card is the only thing that I keep for my sanity sake. I used it with Windows, with unRaid, and TrueNAS, recently I'm using it with ProxMox passing throuth to a TrueNAS VM, since ProxMox didn't play ball with HBA when I last upgraded my NAS.
My recertified Seagate drives are over 2 years and going strong in truenas
I purchased a couple drives from them not too long ago, waiting on them to show up, but feeling better about it now.
Literally two weeks ago I was debating on re-certified drives or new ones. I didn’t want to risk the long term stability of my new Nas so I got new ones.
R A I D, keep a spare or two on hand, be happy.
Hey, I have one of those cases at 5:53 for my family media server. Printed and assembled it myself!
I use refurb'd HGSTs, 2x8TB and 2x10TB. Solid as hell, love them. Really can't complain - for a homelab nas, it's perfect. ^^
A cool video idea, in my opinion, would be to make casual server setup for people who don't want to pay for something like google cloud for photos.
I think in terms of raw storage, I have probably 10% of a petabyte stacked up behind me at last count waiting on a chassis to mount them in, all for about USD700 or so from deals found on the Server Builds discord server (disclaimer: the guy who runs it supposedly is an ass? but YMMV)
(mixed SATA and SAS connectivity, along with mixed drive sizes ranging from 8TB to 14TB drives)
edit: (~) 14:53 They could've just cleaned them up and buffed out any scratches maybe? Some of them might be customer returns tho, and you might've just gotten a batch made entirely up of customer returns lol.
There's a good chance your no name lsi hba is actually an OEM one, though usually OEMs would do their own branding (Dell, IBM, Lenovo, etc).
Makes me feel like it was a steal when I picked up a 16 TB seagate that I bought 2-3 years ago for 200$ brand new and sealed.
Poor Jake...he got stuck with that Windows updates in the background. lol.
Damn I'm well timed. Also glad he's doing some used.
Magical spell: "Unlock-storage"- make your own (I think!)
One gigabyte of RAM per terabyte of data is a myth that needs to die. How much CPU and RAM you need is completely dependent on your workload and network bandwidth.
To be fair, Seagate drives are 'recertified" reliability when they're brand new, at best.
Server Part Deals had 12Tb Recertified drives from Seagate at $75 a few months ago. I got 5, but I wish now that I got enough to fill up my server! I need another 8 drives and they are $110 a piece now 😢
The drives have performed great, and I’m never buying a new HDD again! I’m hoping to eventually build a second server to mirror the first, I hope I can find more great deals like this again by then…
I have a refurbished X20 of the same type as in this video for the past half year in my NAS and so far so good too.
I see storage, I click. I know it will be a Jake video.
6:08 oh yes the joy of windows update
ebay is the worst more discusting 2nd hand market i bought a gpu the seller said the packaged was shipped yet it was "untracked" how that's possible is incredible but anyway the seller deleted their accound and listing so i cant even request help with it
13:20 - Linus talking about 20TB hard drives: "hard drives have just been kinda quietly in the background, getting like kinda awesome"
01/01/2020 - Also Linus: "Why you DON’T want a 20TB Hard Drive"...
Well, you can explain yourself... Why such a sudden change of mind? It's only been 4 since you last told us not to buy them...
(I do admit I had to really look for that video...)
Interesting that you didn't swap the e5-2620 v4 processors for e5-2697a v4 processors.
I upgraded several of my systems to the 2697a and 2680's and have a huge boost in speed.
A used e5-2680 v4 is now around $22 which is a bargain for the speed.
linus in the past: don't buy 20tb drives
linus in the present: buy 20tb refurbished drives
😭
They sell them on Amazon as well with 6 months warranty and free shipping.
5:20 Also cloud is someone else's hard drive anyway
Maybe