@xxDrain учитывая факт, что интегральную схему чертил электрик-схемотехник, то нужно вспоминать терминологию, в которой принято использовать термин "КАНАЛ" или в сокращении КН.
I love how they're using a Pi Pico, a VASTLY more powerful system than the whole original computer this mouse was designed for, just to translate the serial signal :D
LOL well having to slow down the clock speed of their hardware to, I wouldn't be surprised if that's one issue as well. Full emulators (hillarously) like need to slow waaaay down so games aren't going at mach20
@mycosys You cannot really compare physical layer frequency with CPU operating frequency. IO protocols are usually implemented up to the transport layer using IO controllers, which are dedicated circuits and logic made to just handle the IO. In theory a USB2 controller addon could be made for the BK-0010 which would allow it to reliably maintain a full speed USB2 connection, even if the processor would not be fast enough to maintain the full potential data transfer rate the connection offers over an extended period. Since a USB mouse uses nowhere near the ~1.5 MB/sec that USB2 connections offer, it is likely that a BK-0010 would be able to use such a USB controller for input from a modern USB mouse, or to act as a modern USB mouse recognised by a modern computer.
There are several Apple 1 clones on the market for hobbyists nowadays. The one that's 100% chip-by-chip duplicate is crazy expensive, if you can even find those chips that's long went out of production. Most other clones replaced the unobtainium display chip with a micro-controller, which many people pointed out is many times more powerful than the entire computer lol
Yes, it was very usual thing for soviet electronics. As a child, I had a computer "Дельта-С" (Delta-S) - ZX Spectrum clone. The instruction contained even modification schemes for connecting to incompatible TVs.
Most large appliances come with a service manual hidden inside somewhere. My top load washer was simply taped to the inside wall underneath, my microwave one was hidden behind the keypad, my parents front load dryer was behind the front panel.
While this mouse may have been slow, remember that it was designed for systems with a far lower resolution, notably: High-resolution mode: 512x256 pixels, monochrome. Low-resolution mode: 256x256 pixels, 4 colors. So this would have been more than sufficient for something effectively 4 to 8 times lower in resolution. The fact they not only reverse engineered something almost 40 years old but also in an entirely different language, a testament to the LTT Labs Team and I really enjoyed this video.
@nikolaikozlovski2654 There was no text mode in БК0010-01. Text characters were drawn by system procedures into screen memory in graphical mode using stensils in ROM. Nevertheless, they made scrolling faster than of IBM PC of the time in text mode.
150 rubles???? This is an absolutely insane price by the standards of the time! I don't know which conversion method did the seller use to arrive at 350 usd, but 150 rubles was an average monthly salary in the late 80s USSR, so it would probably be closer to a couple thousand dollars than just $350.
Ну да, замечание верное, з/п действительно около 200 была, я больше по памяти родителей ориентировался (у них была ближе к 150). Но один хрен, 150 советских за мышь это ну как минимум раз в пять больше, чем 350 американских сегодня. Другое дело что наверняка купить в розницу было невозможно и ценник был для закупки предприятиями, поэтому ориентироваться надо скорее по ценам черного рынка, а там поди узнай, сколько за нее просили барыги.
WRT schematics. It was actually common in USSR to get very extensive manual with any piece of tech. Including full schematics for TVs, sound amplifiers, vinyl players, etc. You could use it to repair device yourself or at the very least help a repair shop if you had an uncommon device
That was also common in the US up through about the 1950s. Most old tube electronics (prior to transistors) have a schematic glued to the inside of the chassis. There were also printed periodicals that were meant for the repair trade which would contain advanced schematics and repair guides for any new products that came out since the last issue. Those were done by a third party however. Most electronic repair shops would have a huge bookshelf full of the books as well as special index books that would let you know which issue to look in to find the device you wanted to repair.
@dXXPacmanXXb It's actually just a military standard. In the USSR, all production facilities were built for military needs. Even civilian goods were made to military production standards
It could be interesting to know that while technically it could be translated as "the Martian", the "marsianka" in Russian actually means "the martian woman"
@Kamey03 well, as my understanding goes "the martian" in English is gender neutral, right? In Russian there are almost no gender neutral nouns, so there is either marsianin for male, or marsianka for female. Also while the mouse is indeed feminine, "coordinate input device" is masculine. Either way, "the martian woman" sounds kinda stupid as a product name, so I wouldn't translate it that way:). I just mentioned a potentially interesting fact.
This was actually much cooler than just an "Oh look old tech" piece. Those are cool too, but the labs integration and making it work with modern equipment was super interesting, though it would have been nice to maybe get even more of an explanation of some more of their approach to getting it working.
a 15usd translator from fiverrr could have been 110% extra explanation instead of this "foreign forbidden language nobody knows" thing, is russian ffs, not some alien language
@ThePrimePrimeryes but the accuracy, especially when talking tech might not be up to par but they actually did translate their websites they visited so that counts for something i guess
I was a kid in the USSR in the 80s and my family was one of the few lucky enough to have a home PCs. Seeing this mouse again brought back so many memories. Thanks Linus.
You did not just have the right to repair it. You needed to repair it every once in a while because bue to scarcity you never knew if you will manage to buy another one.
In Soviet Union including full schematics in the manual was the thing. They always did that and even for very complex stuff, like TVs or vinyl/cassette/radio sets (those were huge, and their schematics too).
yes that was interesting thing about USSR - people was technically more advanced than today, there was science magazines with some electronic schemes, so people can buy spare parts (plates, semiconductors etc) and make things on their own. Back to 1980th there was a cult of technology and engineering. It's actually real reason why among Russian engineers so many Soviet patriots - bald fat drunk guys in USSR t-shirts was a guys who grow up on magazines like Young Technician'84
I think that was the norm all over the world, even American TVs came with schematics until maybe early 1980s. Even into maybe mid 2000s you could e-mail Panasonic and get schematics for their products. Not sure if that's still a thing, though.
Keep in mind that back when this mouse was created, the most common resolution was 320 or 640, the speed of the mouse relative to the resolution back then is very good. Try using 600 or 800 dpi mouse on 1440/4K screens. It feels insanely slow. I have 4K screen and my mouse is set to 6000DPI.
@marsamune5592 oh it does, you've probably bumped the accelerator near the end of the slider, but at this point you have no mouse precision since the movement is software calculated by simple multiplication. If your screen resolution was 1920x1200 and your mouse was capable of a maximum DPI of 600, you'd have to move your mouse two inches to get from the bottom of the screen to the top. If your mouse used a DPI of 1200, it would only take one inch to make the same movement on the screen. For 4K resolution multiply the necessary distance to move the mouse by x2 Therefore higher mouse DPI allows you to move faster on the screen with less mouse movement. Higher resolution displays may require higher sensitivity or higher mouse DPI to attain the same amount of on-screen movement, or one would need a ridiculously large mouse-pad.
@lettuce7378 as far as I know, the Interactive Unified Mobile Operating System(DEMOS) was based on BSD, so actually some Soviet home PC's could run BSD. There was also an INMOS that was UNIX-based. Also, according to a wikipedia, the PDP-11 was able to run DEMOS and INMOS.
No, it can't. It's not 100% PDP-compatible, instruction set a little bit different, and it was roughly copied by USSR for some strange bureaucratic reasons. It had an impressive list of software tho (C, Forth, Basic, FOCAL and even about 800 games), but not a single real OS. Some models even had some LAN functionality, we used them in our class where I received my first programming lessons in the late 80's. Wikipedia article “Electronika BK” about this device is quite good, can recommend it.
КН1 is spelled as "K-N-1" :) H stands for N sound in Cyrillic languages. Here it is an abbreviation for "кнопка 1" ([kn'opka od'in]) which is just "button one"
@nighteule in french it's "bouton" so i guess it's the latin influence acting here, whereas other anglo-germanic / slavic languages kept the other root
@neomorphosallomorphis7395 English is actually a slightly deformed child of German and French. There's a lot of influence from both families. For example, mouse is "maus" in German and "souris" in French.
5:13 The electronics circuit was in almost every instruction for any Soviet technology So that Soviet children from childhood begin to become interested in electronics and help the Soviet Union with new technologies, or so that there are always workers
@NIMKAOriginalВсе было нормальным тогда по цене,только купить было проблема, спасибо США за санкции. В СССР все было лучше и эффективней чем в США даже своя система написания кода на других принципах но к сожалению это было разрушено. Но ничего мы это восстановим и разрушим США за убийство миллионов людей в России в 90-х.
@IvoryStan СССР не сильно то и хотел от санкций избавляться Да и СССР намного сильней отставал от США лет на 50. Людям в СССР было нормально только потому что они не знали что на западе творилось, а ведь те кто с СССР на запад переехал не сразу хотели возвращаться обратно
@IvoryStanэто сарказм?😅 Не пугай их, они и так напуганы) А большинство даже не понимают(не хотят понимать?) что делала и продолжает делать их страна.
This is exactly the type of content LTT excels at and that I want to see on the channel... Couldn't care less about how many FPS the latest Nividia GPU can run at
@Lord_zeel sure, but there's already a ton of other content creators that do it. Obviously, once the Labs team has hit their stride, LTT might be able to bring something new and interesting to hardware reviews though
@febel26 but I still feel like having more creators doing that and calling out flaws and the like will put more pressure on the companies building the products. Also, people may come to different conclusions and look at these things differently. I'm happily watching three reviews of the same product to either validate my gut feeling or just finding out if one of the reviews may be wrong or something. Just have more variety. It's also about who you can listen to best and who displays information best as well as the length of such videos.
Not going to work, we are vastly different audience, yes there are overlaps. But most gamers won't even know how to use a microcontroller interrupt or code a software interrupt.
@Sabrinahuskydog Can you name a notable example? I don't watch LTT much but I'm actually kinda surprised that their hardware reviews would contain "so much misinformation" as you said.
You need to make a case for the pico with usb connector, a glass window, and a plug for the mouse. Then you can just show it off at LTX or a LAN party. Make it like who can get the best high score using a Soviet mouse. In soviet russia mouse plays you!
Dank Pods did a video on old Soviet headphones a while back and most if not all of them came with some kind of schematic in the box. Makes me think that this sort of thing was the norm for Soviet electrical goods, which is very cool if that was the case.
It was because many people back then we're able to read these schematics and had experience in soldering. Also it's just a requirement for documentation equipment. We had also schematics sticked to the backside of the thing.
Yes, there was several reasons for that: bad quality, high price (so you will not just go and buy another one) and things were expected to be fixed and last as long as they could as soviet economics could not produce enough
Well, mostly it just takes a single retro computing or EE youtuber like @TechTangents or @bitluni and the likes. Not saying this wasn't good work at LTT, I'm just subscribed to more channels where this is the norm.
I mean, it's really not that complicated, they had all of the schematics, they even found all of the datasheet that they needed, while also having osciloscopes and the like. And like the other guy said, there are other retro youtubers
@malaista his point was the turn around time. Neither of the channels mentioned, I also watch, do things in 30 minutes to a couple of hours. Neither of them do any soviet era translation videos with soviet IC schematic sources, that I've seen anyway.
I don't know if this video was recorded before the hiatus, but honestly it felt much more satisfying to watch because of one thing: it is a very comprehensive, detailed investigation about how this mouse works and how to adapt the signals to modern USB. Most other videos were you find hard problems to solve such as this one usually felt unfinished because they gave up. And I felt that on a couple of videos. I am glad that you guys took the time to make the mouse actually working, I watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up when a problem arose regarding, in this case, translating the signals that this mouse outputs to USB. Summing up, good work!
u must feel great judging like this, "i watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up..." mann idk if it's just me but this shiet sounds funny
They'd always said that they weren't satisfied with the way things were before the hiatus either and that they were working to improve things. This was I think always Linus's vision for LMG - being more comprehensive without being boring but he was just tied up with all the business stuff (hence the CEO).
Who tf would even pay 330 bucks for such trash? Like ltt probably made a few grand for this video so they atleast earned something wich covered their initial investment and their employees work but a private person has nothing out of that you would only lose money
I understand that this is a joke. But in the USSR, private and public property was divided. There was no right to have means of production that brought profit. But it 's okay to have personal belongings , including computers
I remember looking through my grandfathers box filled with old tech, and I saw this mouse, I asked him what it was and he explained everything to me, he even showed me how it worked after setting up his old machine! Great memories.
@nicolausteslaus No, it wasn't. If the USSR was a LGBT paradise, none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today. In fact, it's the countries that embrace Western values that are becoming more LGBT friendly while countries that still stick to their Soviet past (Belarus, Russia, Armenia, et cetera) are becoming far more hostile toward the LGBT community.
@thedoctor3996 >none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today. ahahah, what a dumb argument. Russia used to be a communist country, now more than 90% of its population is anticommunist.
As someone going to school for ECE, the process of figuring out the pinouts, and then deciphering the signals in order to use the mouse on a modern machine was definitely one of the most interesting things I've seen from this channel. It'd be cool if there were Labs specific videos where we get to see them work these types of problems out, and we could see the process in greater detail.
This is really the content you can't find anywhere else! Who else is going to have the ability to draw on the expertise of an entire lab and the jank to try to get a forty-year-old mouse to work, and the presentation skill to make it all interesting to watch?
tbf, this wasnt the most demanding job. the buttons where, as he said, just reading the voltage and simulating a mouseclick via the USBHID the Pico is pretending to be. The pinout in the manual did most of the actual trial and error. and movement really only required them to figure out that it needs to be reset/set to 0 everytime you moved(which he also said) anyone with a bit of knowledge in coding for a pico or arduino would be able to do the same, altough maybe taking a bit longer like dont get me wrong, its a nice video, and neat they did it, but it really isnt a "only someone with an entire lab worth of people could do this" this isnt a lot more complicated then making your own button box for a flight simulator from scratch using an arduino or rasperry pico
it litteraly would.... they litteraly had a whole joke about "someone else was gonna do it then they realized they have the lab who can do the same stuff, but faster"@BooleanDev
Bravo LTT and Labs team for doing so much research and work and not giving up just because this is a "silly" vid. This is the kind of content I started watching for, deep dives into something totally obscure. Where else would we get to see this kind of weird stuff?
guys forgot to explain if the mouse has equivalent of infinite or "max" 4.5khz "sensor framerate(fps)" +/ 4.5khz capable MCU (io chip to computer..?). i wouldn''t bother mentioning this if comments elsewhere start to diss logitech 2khz.
The fact that the video started WITH the thumbnail and continued on from there is actually super amazing and did NOT go unnoticed. Please keep doing that it’s a really cool effect. I wish everybody did that.
It's always mind boggling to me when you think about some stuff like this BK-0010. 3Mhz for example sounds like a joke nowadays but when you think about that this still means it clocks freakin' 3.000.000 times a second, this is kinda crazy 😅
The Commodore 64 here in the west I used was only 1Mhz and people do crazy cool stuff with it. Also my next computer Amiga 500 was 7 mhz and that has good looking (4096 colors) and "real" music sounding games.
@jfolzyeah but I'm pretty sure most of that time is I/O anyways, where the CPU can't really do anything even if it wanted to. Like loading OS components into memory. Though my Linux laptop boots up really fast, it could just be a Windows thing
@jfolz Because cycle speed and amount of work done during a cycle are completely different things. Similar to a car engine at 10,000 RPM. With high gearing, a car running at 10,000 RPM in first gear could go, say, 50MPH, but add a double reduction transfer case and suddenly that 10,000 RPM is less than 5 MPH. Very simple analogy, but yeah, it all depends on the system as a whole. Plus, modern computers are loading a LOT more big-brother style phone-home software when they boot than the old ones were.
@tommia-h1v Yeah, back then the Mhz had much more meaning than currently does. I too had a c64, then A500's, an a600 (first time using a hdd, iirc a 20mb) , and finally an a1200 with an '060 add-in board. The coders were really amazing at pushing every erg out of those machines. Demo scene doing 64kb bootblock demos, Spaceballs with their State of the Art's, aswell as the audio stuff. Good times.
Learning electronics is one thing but Soviet electronics is in another world lol I bought an old Soviet era guitar (Czech actually but the electronics were Russian) and the pickups didn’t work right and I had to take it to 2 different guitar techs to at least get sound out of it, the pickups work but the switches and selectors don’t sadly
Yeah it really makes you realize just how important standards are. When electronics don't speak the types of signals, voltages, etc. that the rest of the world does it makes it so much harder to adapt to
Very similar to how Amiga/AtariST mouse interface works. One step up from putting simple buffered output from the encoders on the wire, but one step removed from some kind of serial encoding.
What Labs did, this is literally my world! I like it really and hope they do more in these directions! (Very)old Hardware are simple, so It's easy to do a converter, like with the Micro Pi.
Great job on reading the schematics! Fun fact - in the same way that letter "B" is the "V" sound, letter "H" is the "N" sound. Which is why "KH1 and KH2" are actually abbreviates for "KHopka (button) 1 and 2"
@xXTheoLinuxXx Knopke sounds simultaneously cool and cute. I am not surprised it sounds similar, after all in Russian we borrowed and derived this word from Europe, more precisely the German "knopf", and in Dutch it's "knop". I don't know who borrowed from who in that case. In Russian we actually have another original word for button (pugovitsa), but interestingly we use that one for buttons on clothes, whereas knopka/knopke is for mechanical buttons on various tools and devices. I wonder if your dialect has something similar to this, though it's probably more convenient to just have one word.
@OHYEAHDUDES quite a few loanwords are from the Peter the Great era who lived for some time in Zaandam. He wanted to know everything about building ships and back in the day the most common 'language' at those places was lower saxon (because there were Germans too). After Peter left he sended shipbuilders and carpenters to the 'werf' (also a loanword) to learn even more things. By the time they got back to Russia they introduced a few words :) Our shirtbuttons are not that different compared with knop, we call them knoop or knoopke in dialect.
Absolutely love hearing about the reverse engineering process the Labs team went through! Also props to the student tester for helping out, that's some complex stuff to work on when you're first starting out!
Wow, Soviets had to be really a decades in front of us, as a Czech, I saw computer with actual mouse for the first time probably around year 2000. 😀 Full electrical schematics was something completely normal even for western products in the past, it's sad that they don't do that anymore, even my grandma's old SONY TV had that. BTW, this shape is actually better than what most of modern mice have.
It's true, at some point USSR had the most advanced computers in the world with it's own unique software and algorithms, that actually should be obvious because all of the Soviets breakthroughs in space programs, satellites, rockets, nuclear industry, physics, chemistry etc. Unfortunately, not everyone in Moscow was a fan of computers and robotics, so a lot of stuff were underfunded and then after collapse of USSR everyone related moved to Asia, Europe, US, everything was ruined, stolen, sold to foreign to companies like Intel.
@J0rdan912 Reality is everything in 80's were underfunded. Booming 60's long gone when the price of the oil were high and our governement literally exploited our western neighbours. Still I have to give huge props to the guys in a lab rooms able to either reverse engineer something from the west or come up with their own robust design.
@Eridelm I mean computers and robotics are exactly what was underfunded in USSR because almost every Soviet government was focused on "real" industry and manufacturing, so when they realized that electronics became outdated and underfunded, it was too late as many engineers and programmers started leaving USSR in 80s and imported stuff captured almost every customer and industrial group as borders and import became less restricted. I'm not sure what you mean by exploiting western neighbors, because they were completely dependent from Soviet funding just like now from EU funding. I personally know only one case, Latvia was some kinda western showcase of Soviet vehicular and home electronics. If it considered to be "exploiting", then I'm happy for them now since there is nothing left and apparently they are totally not exploited by EU.
I still remember 18 years ago a friend of mine was owning literally everyone with his ball mause in fpses like Call of duty 2. Obviously his mouse was not from soviet era, but still... he was much better than guys with razer mouses and was laughing when people were bragging about their mouses on chat, and he was still owning them like small kids. It was beautiful. Greetings Juraz!
Great video Linus+team, I really appreciate the lengths that you went to with this to get the mouse working and it's really incredible to see it in action on modern hardware. I'm really liking your new revamped content
Fantastic video guys. Really appreciate the efforts to demonstrate the functionality and take us through the process you took in a widely understandable fashion!
The KH is actualy KN from the word KNOPKA meaning button.
knob
@xxDrain учитывая факт, что интегральную схему чертил электрик-схемотехник, то нужно вспоминать терминологию, в которой принято использовать термин "КАНАЛ" или в сокращении КН.
“We bought a Soviet era gaming mouse” should have been the title
⚒️
this
comissar is on his way
do not resist
We have been allocated a Soviet era mouse
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It took me a moment to notice the “we” and then I got it
You're at a LAN party but your mouse breaks down and the homie pulls out the MARS UKV-01
at this point he is not a homie. he is a Товарищ now
300 долларов? У меня этих мышей в каморке штук 5 лежит...
У тебя сокровище значит!) Осталось только довезти до США, у нас их точно не купят XD
йдинах
так продай и радуйся
@teslolexa не, их так то норм вообще везде скупают.
поделишься?
I love how they're using a Pi Pico, a VASTLY more powerful system than the whole original computer this mouse was designed for, just to translate the serial signal :D
LOL well having to slow down the clock speed of their hardware to, I wouldn't be surprised if that's one issue as well. Full emulators (hillarously) like need to slow waaaay down so games aren't going at mach20
@Lord_zeelcrazy right! Imagine being laughed at for having a 4090 in a few years for example... just crazy!!
Some current mouse models themselves have more processing power than the original computer this mouse was designed for.
@mycosys You cannot really compare physical layer frequency with CPU operating frequency. IO protocols are usually implemented up to the transport layer using IO controllers, which are dedicated circuits and logic made to just handle the IO. In theory a USB2 controller addon could be made for the BK-0010 which would allow it to reliably maintain a full speed USB2 connection, even if the processor would not be fast enough to maintain the full potential data transfer rate the connection offers over an extended period. Since a USB mouse uses nowhere near the ~1.5 MB/sec that USB2 connections offer, it is likely that a BK-0010 would be able to use such a USB controller for input from a modern USB mouse, or to act as a modern USB mouse recognised by a modern computer.
There are several Apple 1 clones on the market for hobbyists nowadays. The one that's 100% chip-by-chip duplicate is crazy expensive, if you can even find those chips that's long went out of production. Most other clones replaced the unobtainium display chip with a micro-controller, which many people pointed out is many times more powerful than the entire computer lol
Imagine if modern electronics came with schematics.
We can only dream :(
the schematic will be the size of a very very detailed world map
Yes, it was very usual thing for soviet electronics. As a child, I had a computer "Дельта-С" (Delta-S) - ZX Spectrum clone. The instruction contained even modification schemes for connecting to incompatible TVs.
@davidphillips5677 Depends on the level of abstraction.
Most large appliances come with a service manual hidden inside somewhere. My top load washer was simply taped to the inside wall underneath, my microwave one was hidden behind the keypad, my parents front load dryer was behind the front panel.
While this mouse may have been slow, remember that it was designed for systems with a far lower resolution, notably:
High-resolution mode: 512x256 pixels, monochrome.
Low-resolution mode: 256x256 pixels, 4 colors.
So this would have been more than sufficient for something effectively 4 to 8 times lower in resolution.
The fact they not only reverse engineered something almost 40 years old but also in an entirely different language, a testament to the LTT Labs Team and I really enjoyed this video.
Further more, mouse navigation in command line-like interface was based on character grid, which could have been something like 50x30
another great product that they missjudge j.k.
@Vin-Drossel Нет, Сталкер ТЧ ))))
It's because unlike gamer's nexus or hardware unboxed we at ltt labs run new tests every time
@nikolaikozlovski2654 There was no text mode in БК0010-01. Text characters were drawn by system procedures into screen memory in graphical mode using stensils in ROM. Nevertheless, they made scrolling faster than of IBM PC of the time in text mode.
150 rubles???? This is an absolutely insane price by the standards of the time! I don't know which conversion method did the seller use to arrive at 350 usd, but 150 rubles was an average monthly salary in the late 80s USSR, so it would probably be closer to a couple thousand dollars than just $350.
Salary was 200 rubles. $350 is almost an average monthly salary in Russia (in most regions) nowdays. So everything is right
Вообще должен быть ценник на самом изделии
150 рублей - минимальная зарплата в конце 80-х.
Ну да, замечание верное, з/п действительно около 200 была, я больше по памяти родителей ориентировался (у них была ближе к 150). Но один хрен, 150 советских за мышь это ну как минимум раз в пять больше, чем 350 американских сегодня. Другое дело что наверняка купить в розницу было невозможно и ценник был для закупки предприятиями, поэтому ориентироваться надо скорее по ценам черного рынка, а там поди узнай, сколько за нее просили барыги.
lol. Couple of thousands dollars it was price of the car in us 1985. 150 rubles was 1/50 fraction of the price of much simplier car in ussr in 1985.
Now let's make Linus get a Soviet PC and use it as his main for a week.
Diesel fuel bill will break them/
It wasn't even good enough in the 80s
Only games installed are Tetris and Global Thermonuclear War
@Arbiter099 oh thats cool ! classic tetris
Better to make him use it for the rest of his life. Even that will not be punishment enough for such content.
WRT schematics. It was actually common in USSR to get very extensive manual with any piece of tech. Including full schematics for TVs, sound amplifiers, vinyl players, etc. You could use it to repair device yourself or at the very least help a repair shop if you had an uncommon device
i agree its bad this trend went away
communism can be good
That was also common in the US up through about the 1950s. Most old tube electronics (prior to transistors) have a schematic glued to the inside of the chassis. There were also printed periodicals that were meant for the repair trade which would contain advanced schematics and repair guides for any new products that came out since the last issue. Those were done by a third party however. Most electronic repair shops would have a huge bookshelf full of the books as well as special index books that would let you know which issue to look in to find the device you wanted to repair.
In USSR Right to Repair was Responsibility to Repair. From radios to Lada.
@dXXPacmanXXb It's actually just a military standard. In the USSR, all production facilities were built for military needs. Even civilian goods were made to military production standards
It could be interesting to know that while technically it could be translated as "the Martian", the "marsianka" in Russian actually means "the martian woman"
Or is mouse feminine?
Mouse is feminine in Russian.
And Марсианка is indeed "The Martian woman" or "The woman from mars"
Yeah but since mouse isn't feminine in English, it's perfectly fine to translate it as "The Martian"@snake_on_a_train
@ikbintom both are.
@Kamey03 well, as my understanding goes "the martian" in English is gender neutral, right? In Russian there are almost no gender neutral nouns, so there is either marsianin for male, or marsianka for female.
Also while the mouse is indeed feminine, "coordinate input device" is masculine.
Either way, "the martian woman" sounds kinda stupid as a product name, so I wouldn't translate it that way:). I just mentioned a potentially interesting fact.
You now own a mouse that will never break.
This was actually much cooler than just an "Oh look old tech" piece. Those are cool too, but the labs integration and making it work with modern equipment was super interesting, though it would have been nice to maybe get even more of an explanation of some more of their approach to getting it working.
Ditto
I think they just hooked up osciloscopes to all of the pins and moved the mouse around
a 15usd translator from fiverrr could have been 110% extra explanation instead of this "foreign forbidden language nobody knows" thing, is russian ffs, not some alien language
@f3rny_66 Or google lens which literally translates anything you point your phone camera at
@ThePrimePrimeryes but the accuracy, especially when talking tech might not be up to par but they actually did translate their websites they visited so that counts for something i guess
I was a kid in the USSR in the 80s and my family was one of the few lucky enough to have a home PCs. Seeing this mouse again brought back so many memories. Thanks Linus.
опаньки русский)
For a sec I thought you said you where lucky to have a house
@fail22737 today that is more rare than having the pc lmao
How expensive was it? Compared to say buying a new car.
@fail22737 Come on, dude, he is not an American citizen in 2050s
The Soviet encouraged the "right to repair" so many years ago..
You did not just have the right to repair it. You needed to repair it every once in a while because bue to scarcity you never knew if you will manage to buy another one.
Aha that's why USA doesn't like you fixing your bought devices because that would be Soviet 🤔🤣🤣🤣
All intellectual property was owned by the people. I'm guessing that they published the schematics for that reason.
This is not a right, it’s an obligation! 😂
i mean yeah, every device you repair is a device that doesnt need to be produced again.
Кажется если я уберусь в чулане и продам все на запад, то стану миллионером
Продам советское радио, всего-то за 1000$
In Soviet Union including full schematics in the manual was the thing. They always did that and even for very complex stuff, like TVs or vinyl/cassette/radio sets (those were huge, and their schematics too).
yes that was interesting thing about USSR - people was technically more advanced than today, there was science magazines with some electronic schemes, so people can buy spare parts (plates, semiconductors etc) and make things on their own. Back to 1980th there was a cult of technology and engineering. It's actually real reason why among Russian engineers so many Soviet patriots - bald fat drunk guys in USSR t-shirts was a guys who grow up on magazines like Young Technician'84
Last thing was a blower
Именно так!! :)
I think that was the norm all over the world, even American TVs came with schematics until maybe early 1980s. Even into maybe mid 2000s you could e-mail Panasonic and get schematics for their products. Not sure if that's still a thing, though.
Then corporations were worried about the maintainability of their equipment...
Keep in mind that back when this mouse was created, the most common resolution was 320 or 640, the speed of the mouse relative to the resolution back then is very good.
Try using 600 or 800 dpi mouse on 1440/4K screens. It feels insanely slow. I have 4K screen and my mouse is set to 6000DPI.
I use 400 dpi on 1440p 😬
BK-0010 had 256*256 pixel screen )))
How does this have so many likes, 800 dpi doesn't feel "insanely slow". I've been using 800dpi on 1080p + 1440p for a decade.
yall are insane, 6000 dpi...
im better at 900 dpi
@marsamune5592 oh it does, you've probably bumped the accelerator near the end of the slider, but at this point you have no mouse precision since the movement is software calculated by simple multiplication.
If your screen resolution was 1920x1200 and your mouse was capable of a maximum DPI of 600, you'd have to move your mouse two inches to get from the bottom of the screen to the top. If your mouse used a DPI of 1200, it would only take one inch to make the same movement on the screen. For 4K resolution multiply the necessary distance to move the mouse by x2
Therefore higher mouse DPI allows you to move faster on the screen with less mouse movement. Higher resolution displays may require higher sensitivity or higher mouse DPI to attain the same amount of on-screen movement, or one would need a ridiculously large mouse-pad.
Are you kidding me? A PDP-11 compatible home computer? Can it run BSD or UNIX? That's badass. Can't believe I never heard of it.
would be cool seeing a soviet home computer running bsd lol
@lettuce7378 as far as I know, the Interactive Unified Mobile Operating System(DEMOS) was based on BSD, so actually some Soviet home PC's could run BSD. There was also an INMOS that was UNIX-based.
Also, according to a wikipedia, the PDP-11 was able to run DEMOS and INMOS.
@lettuce7378OUR source code.
@lettuce7378 there was a Soviet BSD-based OS, ДЕМОС/DEMOS
No, it can't. It's not 100% PDP-compatible, instruction set a little bit different, and it was roughly copied by USSR for some strange bureaucratic reasons.
It had an impressive list of software tho (C, Forth, Basic, FOCAL and even about 800 games), but not a single real OS. Some models even had some LAN functionality, we used them in our class where I received my first programming lessons in the late 80's. Wikipedia article “Electronika BK” about this device is quite good, can recommend it.
Imagine this on competitive gaming competition
КН1 is spelled as "K-N-1" :) H stands for N sound in Cyrillic languages. Here it is an abbreviation for "кнопка 1" ([kn'opka od'in]) which is just "button one"
Same root as "knob" btw
@FodrMichalych Interesting, because "button" is also "knopf" in german. Seems like english is the weird one
And button is "knapp" in swedish
@nighteule in french it's "bouton" so i guess it's the latin influence acting here, whereas other anglo-germanic / slavic languages kept the other root
@neomorphosallomorphis7395 English is actually a slightly deformed child of German and French. There's a lot of influence from both families. For example, mouse is "maus" in German and "souris" in French.
5:13 The electronics circuit was in almost every instruction for any Soviet technology
So that Soviet children from childhood begin to become interested in electronics and help the Soviet Union with new technologies, or so that there are always workers
It was because, you couldn't buy a new one. So you had to fix it by yourself. Also it usually had been aufull quality. But you have a nice catch)
@shinigamineko333 а, ну кстати да)
Все было дорогое тогда, а если и были деньги, то надо было найти ещё место где их купить можно
@NIMKAOriginalВсе было нормальным тогда по цене,только купить было проблема, спасибо США за санкции. В СССР все было лучше и эффективней чем в США даже своя система написания кода на других принципах но к сожалению это было разрушено. Но ничего мы это восстановим и разрушим США за убийство миллионов людей в России в 90-х.
@IvoryStan СССР не сильно то и хотел от санкций избавляться
Да и СССР намного сильней отставал от США лет на 50.
Людям в СССР было нормально только потому что они не знали что на западе творилось, а ведь те кто с СССР на запад переехал не сразу хотели возвращаться обратно
@IvoryStanэто сарказм?😅 Не пугай их, они и так напуганы)
А большинство даже не понимают(не хотят понимать?) что делала и продолжает делать их страна.
This is exactly the type of content LTT excels at and that I want to see on the channel... Couldn't care less about how many FPS the latest Nividia GPU can run at
@Lord_zeel sure, but there's already a ton of other content creators that do it. Obviously, once the Labs team has hit their stride, LTT might be able to bring something new and interesting to hardware reviews though
@febel26 but I still feel like having more creators doing that and calling out flaws and the like will put more pressure on the companies building the products. Also, people may come to different conclusions and look at these things differently. I'm happily watching three reviews of the same product to either validate my gut feeling or just finding out if one of the reviews may be wrong or something.
Just have more variety. It's also about who you can listen to best and who displays information best as well as the length of such videos.
Not going to work, we are vastly different audience, yes there are overlaps. But most gamers won't even know how to use a microcontroller interrupt or code a software interrupt.
@Sabrinahuskydog Can you name a notable example? I don't watch LTT much but I'm actually kinda surprised that their hardware reviews would contain "so much misinformation" as you said.
Typical dad gamer
1:56 Salad fingers !
You need to make a case for the pico with usb connector, a glass window, and a plug for the mouse. Then you can just show it off at LTX or a LAN party. Make it like who can get the best high score using a Soviet mouse. In soviet russia mouse plays you!
I remember having this exact mouse as a child. It was always so awkward to use.
Побоюсь спросить, сколько Вам лет?
@computergroup1 Мне 23. У моего отца было много старых компьютеров.
@Ryadovoy_Borodin"Я 23"?😂 Are you sure you are not lying?
Мне 37, но эту древнючесть уже не застал :D
@trider_12 Russian is not my first language, but my father was Soviet. I apologise for not being too good at speaking it yet.
молодцы ребята. не просто обзор, а целое воскрешение из небытия
✋
@katya6301
Прям раритет откопали
@EvgeN_NeroN лучше бы не откапывали такое ужас...
@SiMBi0ZZAвот-вот, в Китае изготовили, а у нас как обычно шильдик наклеят и радуются. Тьфу. Лучше бы вообще не делали.
our mouse
Dank Pods did a video on old Soviet headphones a while back and most if not all of them came with some kind of schematic in the box. Makes me think that this sort of thing was the norm for Soviet electrical goods, which is very cool if that was the case.
It was because many people back then we're able to read these schematics and had experience in soldering. Also it's just a requirement for documentation equipment. We had also schematics sticked to the backside of the thing.
Yes, there was several reasons for that: bad quality, high price (so you will not just go and buy another one) and things were expected to be fixed and last as long as they could as soviet economics could not produce enough
@olegpereverzev5015nope it was common everywhere and in USA too
Yes, a schematics diagram was a common thing.
@olegpereverzev5015 they were made to last forever because socialism doesn't require planned obsolescence
Next video : I bought a ww1 gaming mouse
Would be fkn awesome to make a ww1 or ww2 inspired setup that could be so sick
@jonteboimakesgames *slaps roof of computer tower* "Old Ironsides can fit so many grand strategy games in it"
I bought Jesus’s G pro superlight
@JScott-lg4jb😂😂
just use a lot of barbed wire
This is pretty unique content. Not many channels have a team of engineers with the skills to make this work in a couple days.
Well, mostly it just takes a single retro computing or EE youtuber like @TechTangents or @bitluni and the likes.
Not saying this wasn't good work at LTT, I'm just subscribed to more channels where this is the norm.
I mean, it's really not that complicated, they had all of the schematics, they even found all of the datasheet that they needed, while also having osciloscopes and the like.
And like the other guy said, there are other retro youtubers
@malaista his point was the turn around time.
Neither of the channels mentioned, I also watch, do things in 30 minutes to a couple of hours.
Neither of them do any soviet era translation videos with soviet IC schematic sources, that I've seen anyway.
I bought a Soviet era gaming mouse❌
WE bought a Soviet era gaming mouse✅
I don't know if this video was recorded before the hiatus, but honestly it felt much more satisfying to watch because of one thing: it is a very comprehensive, detailed investigation about how this mouse works and how to adapt the signals to modern USB. Most other videos were you find hard problems to solve such as this one usually felt unfinished because they gave up. And I felt that on a couple of videos. I am glad that you guys took the time to make the mouse actually working, I watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up when a problem arose regarding, in this case, translating the signals that this mouse outputs to USB.
Summing up, good work!
It was filmed before. I just heard him say that on the wan show
whats the point of this comment after you figured that it makes no sense anymore?
u must feel great judging like this, "i watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up..." mann idk if it's just me but this shiet sounds funny
They'd always said that they weren't satisfied with the way things were before the hiatus either and that they were working to improve things. This was I think always Linus's vision for LMG - being more comprehensive without being boring but he was just tied up with all the business stuff (hence the CEO).
@sategllib2191 I bet there's at least a month of "extras" to burn before we see the new ones...
Even just the name of the mouse is dripping with Soviet vibes "Mars UKV-01 Coordinate Input Device"
Device of input coordinational is what УВК stands for
I love how you use your team in this video. Imagine how many more creative and or crazy things you can do
Salad Fingers definitely uses a Soviet mouse, is a sentence that has never before been written
I hope that your lab releases the pico code and schemas to public so that not everyone has to go through the same suffering who is interested in this.
To go through the suffering is the only rewarding thing in this whole process to be honest
@Cloudstreet eventually and soon^tm
Who tf would even pay 330 bucks for such trash? Like ltt probably made a few grand for this video so they atleast earned something wich covered their initial investment and their employees work but a private person has nothing out of that you would only lose money
@Stiegelzeine clearly not understanding how a market works.
@Stiegelzeine people who are interested in retro tech, tinkering and preservation of such gadgets
1:56 Salad Fingers, is that you?
6:14 - КН stands for "Кнопка" ("Knopka"), meaning "Button"
It will be like "BT1" and "BT2".
Oh good
KH is actually KN, short for knopka, which means button
Its not his mouse, its OUR mouse
I was waiting for this comment😂
Our PC
I understand that this is a joke. But in the USSR, private and public property was divided. There was no right to have means of production that brought profit. But it 's okay to have personal belongings , including computers
@Misimpaand pc stands for "public computer"😅
@nasha710 this made me laugh so hard god damnit 🤣
I remember looking through my grandfathers box filled with old tech, and I saw this mouse, I asked him what it was and he explained everything to me, he even showed me how it worked after setting up his old machine! Great memories.
Cool, he still had his old computer to show you?
Yep! Not sure where it is right now though, if I ever visit him again I'll take a vid of it and how it works n such
@memberofsociety1 hey, just to let you know that there is still someone waiting for a video from you :)
@giangnhu9905 hey, haven't gotten a chance to visit him yet, as he lives very far away from me, but thanks for reminding me!
Whoever made the mouse hit the border, you made me laugh for like a full 2 min.😂
You can remove the guts from that mouse and put a gaming mouse schematics . Will be a sleeper
Спасибо за обзор товарищ Линус!
Congratulations comrade Linus, you have made the computer nerds of the world unite.
USSR was a LGBT paradise!
We have nothing to lose but our cables!
@nicolausteslaus No, it wasn't. If the USSR was a LGBT paradise, none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today. In fact, it's the countries that embrace Western values that are becoming more LGBT friendly while countries that still stick to their Soviet past (Belarus, Russia, Armenia, et cetera) are becoming far more hostile toward the LGBT community.
@thedoctor3996
>none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today.
ahahah, what a dumb argument. Russia used to be a communist country, now more than 90% of its population is anticommunist.
@thedoctor3996 This countries with 'soviet pasts' are not align with the USSR life system, you are doing an asymmetric comparative
6:43 "In Soviet Russia, Google searches you! (Just like everywhere)"
😂🤣
This seems like it would be a quest item in Tarkov.
Good old days when all of electronics came not with just manual, but with fully blown schematics.
As someone going to school for ECE, the process of figuring out the pinouts, and then deciphering the signals in order to use the mouse on a modern machine was definitely one of the most interesting things I've seen from this channel. It'd be cool if there were Labs specific videos where we get to see them work these types of problems out, and we could see the process in greater detail.
yeah i like the more intracite breakdown of it
Problem solving level 1000, props to the Lab team!!
Thinkin' 'bout them os-kill'o'scopes - Riley
This is really the content you can't find anywhere else! Who else is going to have the ability to draw on the expertise of an entire lab and the jank to try to get a forty-year-old mouse to work, and the presentation skill to make it all interesting to watch?
?
tbf, this wasnt the most demanding job.
the buttons where, as he said, just reading the voltage and simulating a mouseclick via the USBHID the Pico is pretending to be.
The pinout in the manual did most of the actual trial and error.
and movement really only required them to figure out that it needs to be reset/set to 0 everytime you moved(which he also said)
anyone with a bit of knowledge in coding for a pico or arduino would be able to do the same, altough maybe taking a bit longer
like dont get me wrong, its a nice video, and neat they did it, but it really isnt a "only someone with an entire lab worth of people could do this" this isnt a lot more complicated then making your own button box for a flight simulator from scratch using an arduino or rasperry pico
Curious Mark probably
@weberman173fact is, this video wouldnt exist without the lab, that was the point
it litteraly would.... they litteraly had a whole joke about "someone else was gonna do it then they realized they have the lab who can do the same stuff, but faster"@BooleanDev
Thx, Linus. As the owner of a Soviet computer in childhood, I can't stop smiling while watching this video.
That mouse, the box... everything about it is just freggin awesome. Hope you guys preserve it.
Except the ball that stabs your palm 😂
this mouse takes 10 business days to rotate player character face
9:36 In Soviet Russia, mouse turns YOU.
14:41 "Oskilloscopes"
Thank you, Riley.
Bravo LTT and Labs team for doing so much research and work and not giving up just because this is a "silly" vid. This is the kind of content I started watching for, deep dives into something totally obscure. Where else would we get to see this kind of weird stuff?
Same, I hope this kind of videos stay around. I am glad that it's back.
too bad their blew their reputation
guys forgot to explain if the mouse has equivalent of infinite or "max" 4.5khz "sensor framerate(fps)" +/ 4.5khz capable MCU (io chip to computer..?). i wouldn''t bother mentioning this if comments elsewhere start to diss logitech 2khz.
@Vansters11 this video still gained 1.5 million views
@Vansters11 and their latest video as time of writing has 735k views...
The salad fingers ref was awesome 😆
I think it's incredible that labs were able to make a piece of history functional again.
It is simpler than it sounds
At last, a mouse that actually needs a pad that big.
Отличная мышь, спасибо за обзор.
Хорошо отучает сидеть в играх, да и за компом вообще...
Gaming? Sure, Linus is probably too young to remember that there were no games to play using a mouse at that time 🤣🤣
That manual would make awesome wall art!
The fact that the video started WITH the thumbnail and continued on from there is actually super amazing and did NOT go unnoticed. Please keep doing that it’s a really cool effect. I wish everybody did that.
In Soviet Russia, mouse is mouse
Инструкция для советской техники была настолько подробна, что ты мог дома на коленке изготовить еще одно такое же устройство😂
2:27 anyone else notice the hand held Tetris thing.....man id love to have that
Партия благодарит вас за видео!
Продолжайте в том же духе, товарищ!
Шти...Лайнус еще никогда не был так близок к провалу )))
we must bump this mans comment to top
@TishinaCentral good idea )
u wot m8
Ребята, секретные скрытые советы на Линусе.
Nice video. I enjoyed the time taken to explain how they got it working, even tslking about the circuit diagrams and the process.
Yeah for real. Really enjoyable content. Good stuff Linus/writers!
"soviet home computer" feels like such a wild statement, feels like it shouldn't be a thing
It's always mind boggling to me when you think about some stuff like this BK-0010. 3Mhz for example sounds like a joke nowadays but when you think about that this still means it clocks freakin' 3.000.000 times a second, this is kinda crazy 😅
The Commodore 64 here in the west I used was only 1Mhz and people do crazy cool stuff with it. Also my next computer Amiga 500 was 7 mhz and that has good looking (4096 colors) and "real" music sounding games.
@jfolzyeah but I'm pretty sure most of that time is I/O anyways, where the CPU can't really do anything even if it wanted to. Like loading OS components into memory. Though my Linux laptop boots up really fast, it could just be a Windows thing
@jfolz Because cycle speed and amount of work done during a cycle are completely different things. Similar to a car engine at 10,000 RPM. With high gearing, a car running at 10,000 RPM in first gear could go, say, 50MPH, but add a double reduction transfer case and suddenly that 10,000 RPM is less than 5 MPH. Very simple analogy, but yeah, it all depends on the system as a whole. Plus, modern computers are loading a LOT more big-brother style phone-home software when they boot than the old ones were.
@tommia-h1v Yeah, back then the Mhz had much more meaning than currently does. I too had a c64, then A500's, an a600 (first time using a hdd, iirc a 20mb) , and finally an a1200 with an '060 add-in board.
The coders were really amazing at pushing every erg out of those machines. Demo scene doing 64kb bootblock demos, Spaceballs with their State of the Art's, aswell as the audio stuff. Good times.
@jfolz Get an SSD already xD
The full electrical schematic was so fucking cool! nice work on this video LTT team!
The schematics are there because who the hell else will fix it for you in the middle of nowhere?
LTT labs are breathtaking :)
40yo and this thing is still working
Wow, this was one of the most entertaining and educational LTT videos. Also, Labs is legit.
whos account at LTT Labs is this?
Learning electronics is one thing but Soviet electronics is in another world lol
I bought an old Soviet era guitar (Czech actually but the electronics were Russian) and the pickups didn’t work right and I had to take it to 2 different guitar techs to at least get sound out of it, the pickups work but the switches and selectors don’t sadly
Yeah it really makes you realize just how important standards are. When electronics don't speak the types of signals, voltages, etc. that the rest of the world does it makes it so much harder to adapt to
@dhkatz_ Preferably open standards that countries aren't kept out of simply for having a different political system
Our mouse comrade Linus
Linus has lost his mind.. i love it.
I'm glad we're seeing great LTT content again!
Love seeing this level of indepth work in a video, love to see the process and what a team like labs can get to work
love the salad fingers reference
Very similar to how Amiga/AtariST mouse interface works. One step up from putting simple buffered output from the encoders on the wire, but one step removed from some kind of serial encoding.
What Labs did, this is literally my world! I like it really and hope they do more in these directions! (Very)old Hardware are simple, so It's easy to do a converter, like with the Micro Pi.
спасибо, Товарищ Лайнус. Видео было познавательным. Вернулся во времена детского сада, когда играл с этой мышью.
@leafonthebranch more like "comrade Linus"
@leafonthebranch not mr., comrade is closer
Linus reminds me of a superhero with how he can use his own private research team to figure stuff out for him.
Great job on reading the schematics! Fun fact - in the same way that letter "B" is the "V" sound, letter "H" is the "N" sound. Which is why "KH1 and KH2" are actually abbreviates for "KHopka (button) 1 and 2"
KHopka (with the N sound) doesn't that much differ from my lower saxon dutch dialect name for it 'Knopke' :)
@xXTheoLinuxXx Knopke sounds simultaneously cool and cute. I am not surprised it sounds similar, after all in Russian we borrowed and derived this word from Europe, more precisely the German "knopf", and in Dutch it's "knop". I don't know who borrowed from who in that case. In Russian we actually have another original word for button (pugovitsa), but interestingly we use that one for buttons on clothes, whereas knopka/knopke is for mechanical buttons on various tools and devices. I wonder if your dialect has something similar to this, though it's probably more convenient to just have one word.
@OHYEAHDUDES quite a few loanwords are from the Peter the Great era who lived for some time in Zaandam. He wanted to know everything about building ships and back in the day the most common 'language' at those places was lower saxon (because there were Germans too). After Peter left he sended shipbuilders and carpenters to the 'werf' (also a loanword) to learn even more things. By the time they got back to Russia they introduced a few words :) Our shirtbuttons are not that different compared with knop, we call them knoop or knoopke in dialect.
@xXTheoLinuxXx yea, Russian language took this word from Germanic languages
MbIWb
Absolutely love hearing about the reverse engineering process the Labs team went through! Also props to the student tester for helping out, that's some complex stuff to work on when you're first starting out!
Wow, Soviets had to be really a decades in front of us, as a Czech, I saw computer with actual mouse for the first time probably around year 2000. 😀
Full electrical schematics was something completely normal even for western products in the past, it's sad that they don't do that anymore, even my grandma's old SONY TV had that.
BTW, this shape is actually better than what most of modern mice have.
Wow, i thought only in USSR we had e-goods along with schematics.
It's true, at some point USSR had the most advanced computers in the world with it's own unique software and algorithms, that actually should be obvious because all of the Soviets breakthroughs in space programs, satellites, rockets, nuclear industry, physics, chemistry etc. Unfortunately, not everyone in Moscow was a fan of computers and robotics, so a lot of stuff were underfunded and then after collapse of USSR everyone related moved to Asia, Europe, US, everything was ruined, stolen, sold to foreign to companies like Intel.
I still have Commodore C-64 schematics.
@J0rdan912 Reality is everything in 80's were underfunded. Booming 60's long gone when the price of the oil were high and our governement literally exploited our western neighbours. Still I have to give huge props to the guys in a lab rooms able to either reverse engineer something from the west or come up with their own robust design.
@Eridelm I mean computers and robotics are exactly what was underfunded in USSR because almost every Soviet government was focused on "real" industry and manufacturing, so when they realized that electronics became outdated and underfunded, it was too late as many engineers and programmers started leaving USSR in 80s and imported stuff captured almost every customer and industrial group as borders and import became less restricted.
I'm not sure what you mean by exploiting western neighbors, because they were completely dependent from Soviet funding just like now from EU funding. I personally know only one case, Latvia was some kinda western showcase of Soviet vehicular and home electronics. If it considered to be "exploiting", then I'm happy for them now since there is nothing left and apparently they are totally not exploited by EU.
Я русский мне 45 лет и я впервые вижу такую мышку, занимаюсь компьютерами с 12 лет.
Я видел, когда в 1991 практику проходил.
На СВО пора
awaiting swastika in the next episode while we´re at it
Was just thinking that.
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This is pretty cool! I would love to see how the labs team has figured out everything they did this stuff is so fascinating
I still remember 18 years ago a friend of mine was owning literally everyone with his ball mause in fpses like Call of duty 2. Obviously his mouse was not from soviet era, but still... he was much better than guys with razer mouses and was laughing when people were bragging about their mouses on chat, and he was still owning them like small kids. It was beautiful. Greetings Juraz!
Поздравляю, товарищ!
That’s a good looking mouse for today’s standards.
Great video Linus+team, I really appreciate the lengths that you went to with this to get the mouse working and it's really incredible to see it in action on modern hardware. I'm really liking your new revamped content
still better ergonomics then apple mouse
Sewing machine is technically a computer.
Fantastic video guys. Really appreciate the efforts to demonstrate the functionality and take us through the process you took in a widely understandable fashion!